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2012-10-07 23:50:56 shepazu: hi, wp-logger
2012-10-07 23:54:32 shepazu: paul_irish_: how do I make myself channel op? I thought we set that up a while ago...
2012-10-08 00:00:05 Ryan_Lane: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs/#home
2012-10-08 00:00:27 Ryan_Lane: I wonder how often it updates
2012-10-08 00:00:39 shepazu: hmm
2012-10-08 00:00:47 shepazu: not very often, it seems
2012-10-08 00:01:24 shepazu: I'll look for another logging solution longer term
2012-10-08 00:01:59 Ryan_Lane: it's often-ish
2012-10-08 00:02:09 Ryan_Lane: and it has searching and such, that's nice
2012-10-08 00:02:19 Ryan_Lane: maybe I can make it update faster
2012-10-08 00:03:13 Ryan_Lane: doesn't seem so
2012-10-08 00:05:58 Ryan_Lane: it doesn't have views for date ranges, which kind of sucks a little, but that's not a huge deal, since it has search
2012-10-08 00:06:50 shepazu: hmm
2012-10-08 00:07:29 shepazu: well, I'll keep looking… this will do for now
2012-10-08 00:07:34 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-08 00:07:36 shepazu: I wonder if I can skin it...
2012-10-08 00:07:55 Ryan_Lane: I'm sure it wouldn't be hard
2012-10-08 00:07:58 Ryan_Lane: it's not much code
2012-10-08 00:08:22 shepazu: wp-logger, help
2012-10-08 00:08:29 shepazu: wp-logger, help?
2012-10-08 00:08:34 shepazu: huh
2012-10-08 00:08:47 Ryan_Lane: does it say that works?
2012-10-08 00:08:56 Ryan_Lane: I have a good feeling it only logs
2012-10-08 00:10:43 shepazu: no, I'm pretty sure you're right
2012-10-08 00:10:54 shepazu: I just expect bots to have help commands
2012-10-08 00:11:34 Ryan_Lane: !see
2012-10-08 00:11:39 Ryan_Lane: !seen shepazu
2012-10-08 00:11:43 Ryan_Lane: !help
2012-10-08 00:12:01 Ryan_Lane: !ping
2012-10-08 00:12:06 Ryan_Lane: wp-logger: ping
2012-10-08 00:12:29 Ryan_Lane: this bot is super simple
2012-10-08 00:12:46 Ryan_Lane: so is the php
2012-10-08 00:12:52 Ryan_Lane: and the javascript
2012-10-08 00:13:53 shepazu: well, in that case, we can add features :)
2012-10-08 00:13:56 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-08 00:13:59 Ryan_Lane: and upstream
2012-10-08 00:14:20 Ryan_Lane: I have a good bot for spitting stuff out to the channel from files
2012-10-08 00:14:32 Ryan_Lane: when I add nagios, I'll add that bot for nagios messages
2012-10-08 00:14:51 Ryan_Lane: we may want to split that into another channel. nagios can be really spammy
2012-10-08 00:14:52 shepazu: I have a feeling that once people start occupying this channel, we'll get lots of help, people eager to improve the channel and site
2012-10-08 00:15:01 Ryan_Lane: yeah. likely
2012-10-08 00:15:12 shepazu: yeah, maybe #webplatform-dev
2012-10-08 00:15:23 Ryan_Lane: it's mediawiki development, so we can actually do test/dev in wikimedia labs
2012-10-08 00:16:17 Ryan_Lane: we should split out private data from the salt repo, so that we can publish it
2012-10-08 00:16:34 Ryan_Lane: then people can volunteer with infrastructure work too
2012-10-08 00:17:17 Ryan_Lane: the way things work in Labs works somewhat similarly to how it works in hp cloud
2012-10-08 00:18:34 shepazu: cool
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2012-10-08 00:34:33 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: so, to turn the site on tomorrow, I just change the captcha question, right?
2012-10-08 00:34:52 shepazu: anything else I need to do?
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2012-10-08 00:52:18 shepazu: hi, meganculler
2012-10-08 00:52:24 meganculler: hi, shepazu
2012-10-08 00:52:29 shepazu: it works!
2012-10-08 00:52:34 meganculler: It does!
2012-10-08 00:52:40 meganculler: woohoo!
2012-10-08 00:52:45 shepazu: check out the logs, too
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2012-10-08 02:15:41 shepazu: julee: thanks for catching that!
2012-10-08 02:15:51 julee: Cool.
2012-10-08 02:15:55 shepazu: do you ever sleep?
2012-10-08 02:45:06 julee: yep.
2012-10-08 02:46:30 julee: Actually getting ready to eat dinner now so I might not be back online until tomorrow morning…depending on how good dinner is, that is.
2012-10-08 02:48:51 shepazu: nn, julee
2012-10-08 02:49:01 shepazu: thanks for all your awesome work!
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2012-10-08 02:50:47 Eliot: Sweet!
2012-10-08 02:52:49 shepazu: hey, Eliot
2012-10-08 02:52:54 shepazu: are you in the web client?
2012-10-08 02:52:58 Eliot: yup
2012-10-08 02:53:05 shepazu: isn't it awesome!?
2012-10-08 02:53:09 Eliot: you ROCK!
2012-10-08 02:53:18 Eliot: this is just like downtown. ;-)
2012-10-08 02:53:34 shepazu: nah, it was all "slug" (the developer)
2012-10-08 02:53:50 shepazu: he was incredibly helpful, and at the last minute!
2012-10-08 02:54:01 Eliot: It's good to have friends....
2012-10-08 02:54:09 Eliot: on and off FB
2012-10-08 02:54:16 shepazu: :D
2012-10-08 02:54:22 Eliot: The site's looking good, Doug
2012-10-08 02:54:32 Eliot: Meta_Main looks nice
2012-10-08 02:54:43 shepazu: Ryan_Lane also kicked ass getting the logging bot going
2012-10-08 02:55:18 Eliot: I think we made the right call waiting a few days, and equally, I think we're good to go.
2012-10-08 02:55:19 shepazu: Yeah, I think it was Chris Mills who owned the main landing page
2012-10-08 02:55:29 Eliot: There's a cast of throusands
2012-10-08 02:55:32 shepazu: I'm writing the blog post right now
2012-10-08 02:55:37 Eliot: or, at least dozens...
2012-10-08 02:55:43 shepazu: yeah, we were right to wait
2012-10-08 02:55:48 Eliot: My post is locked and loaded.
2012-10-08 02:55:55 shepazu: even if we'd had the content, there was much to do
2012-10-08 02:56:01 Eliot: agreed
2012-10-08 02:56:07 shepazu: …. and there will still be much to do!
2012-10-08 02:56:14 Eliot: The fun never stops!
2012-10-08 02:56:21 Eliot: But we'll have company
2012-10-08 02:56:26 shepazu: yes :)
2012-10-08 02:56:33 Eliot: At least that's the plan
2012-10-08 02:57:20 shepazu: that's one of the things I'm most confident about
2012-10-08 02:57:28 shepazu: the community is amazing
2012-10-08 02:58:06 shepazu: I mean, the Web dev/design community in general
2012-10-08 02:58:27 shepazu: hands-on, passionate builders
2012-10-08 02:58:49 shepazu: I think the main challenge will be moderating the flood
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2012-10-08 02:59:57 wseltzer_: neat!
2012-10-08 03:01:09 wseltzer_: this page looks great
2012-10-08 03:03:10 wseltzer_: part
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2012-10-08 03:13:01 Ryan_Lane: this irc log app needs some serious work :D
2012-10-08 03:19:58 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: why do you say that?
2012-10-08 03:20:27 Ryan_Lane: it breaks if you do previous page and you're at the first page
2012-10-08 03:20:35 Ryan_Lane: same if you go to the last
2012-10-08 03:20:39 shepazu: ouch! :)
2012-10-08 03:20:46 shepazu: yeah, not so great
2012-10-08 03:20:46 Ryan_Lane: it doesn't actually give you paging numbers
2012-10-08 03:20:53 Ryan_Lane: there's no sorting on the fields
2012-10-08 03:21:05 Ryan_Lane: it doesn't allow you to select date ranges
2012-10-08 03:21:18 Ryan_Lane: there really aren't any good ones around
2012-10-08 03:21:34 Ryan_Lane: I wonder if we could send the logs to logstash and use kibana as a frontend
2012-10-08 03:21:42 shepazu: then we can make this one great :)
2012-10-08 03:21:52 Ryan_Lane: yeah, we could also improve this one
2012-10-08 03:23:01 shepazu: well, if there are good open-source apps out there, I'm happy to use them instead
2012-10-08 03:23:08 shepazu: or in addition
2012-10-08 03:23:28 Ryan_Lane: well, logstash isn't really meant for this
2012-10-08 03:23:41 Ryan_Lane: and it's ruby, and so is kibana
2012-10-08 03:23:47 shepazu: kibana looks cool
2012-10-08 03:24:11 Ryan_Lane: we may want to use kibana for system logs and such
2012-10-08 03:24:20 Ryan_Lane: well, logstash/kibana
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2012-10-08 03:24:55 Ryan_Lane: but we'd likely need to password protect that
2012-10-08 03:25:32 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: sounds good to me
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2012-10-08 07:19:24 mglaser: shepazu, good morning :) can you possibly point me to a page where I can find the comment issue.
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2012-10-08 07:25:32 osnard: mglaser, is this the bug? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19324
2012-10-08 07:25:45 osnard: There are urls inluded.
2012-10-08 07:26:51 mglaser: osnard, yep. I should have looked this up first ;)
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2012-10-08 09:33:14 cmills: I'm here ;-)
2012-10-08 09:33:26 cmills: This is kinda cool.
2012-10-08 10:02:23 mglaser: will deploy to test soon.
2012-10-08 10:08:50 mglaser: done
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2012-10-08 10:16:31 koalie_: hello peeps!
2012-10-08 10:17:09 cmills: Hi ;-)
2012-10-08 10:19:17 koalie_: Hi Chris
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2012-10-08 10:20:41 koalie_: I hit the "home" button and it made me navigate away from the "chat"
2012-10-08 10:21:31 koalie_: The video is well done
2012-10-08 10:21:51 mglaser: koalie_, cmills, we experienced some strange issues with comments. In case you are working in the wiki, please let me know if the comments field appears at the top of the page
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2012-10-08 10:24:40 cmills: mglaser - I'll have a look
2012-10-08 10:25:43 cmills: koalie - the video is pretty cool, yes. What behaviour would you like to see  when traveling further up the breadcrumb trail form here? Maybe we should just open the chat in a new tab automaticall,y and not include the breadcrumb trail on that page?
2012-10-08 10:26:26 koalie_: new tab, yes, that's the behaviour I had in mind
2012-10-08 10:26:38 koalie_: actually, I thought that hitting "home" would open a new tab
2012-10-08 10:26:45 koalie_: so the chat tab is still there
2012-10-08 10:26:52 cmills: koalie_: I'll submit a bug and try to get doug to change it
2012-10-08 10:27:09 koalie_: maybe the bug is my expectation
2012-10-08 10:27:43 koalie_: when I ended up on the "connect" page, I wasn't sure whether I had logged out, whether I would be another user
2012-10-08 10:27:48 cmills: mglaser - I don't see the comments printed out at the top of the page. I just see the comment bubbles popping up at appropriate places, eg after each heading
2012-10-08 10:27:58 koalie_: (and how long till the intial user times out)
2012-10-08 10:28:08 cmills: mglaser: I take it that's what is supposed to happen? Looks ok to me
2012-10-08 10:28:33 cmills: koalie_: I've already asked Doug about making the timeouts longer, as that is pretty anoying
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2012-10-08 10:32:16 koalie_: I logged in to the wiki and only see Main Page "Coming soon"
2012-10-08 10:32:38 koalie_: I thought a myriad of things had been imported
2012-10-08 10:32:58 koalie_: I'm obviously not the wiki power user, since I can't find it
2012-10-08 10:34:39 cmills: koalie_: it's currently at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:Main_Page
2012-10-08 10:35:07 koalie_: thanks, Chris
2012-10-08 10:35:16 koalie_: will this be moved to the Main main page?
2012-10-08 10:35:24 koalie_: in time for the launch, that is
2012-10-08 10:36:52 cmills: yup!
2012-10-08 10:37:06 cmills: koalie_: at least, i hope so ;-)
2012-10-08 10:37:45 koalie_: great!
2012-10-08 10:37:48 koalie_: it's splendid
2012-10-08 10:37:55 koalie_: KUTGW!
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2012-10-08 10:44:14 mglaser: cmills, yes that's how it's supposed to be. thx for testing.
2012-10-08 10:46:15 cmills: mglaser: coolio
2012-10-08 11:13:47 mglaser: am about to deploy some code to docs_current.
2012-10-08 11:19:22 mglaser: done
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2012-10-08 11:27:23 mglaser: about to deploy to talk
2012-10-08 11:29:12 shepazu: hey, folks
2012-10-08 11:29:18 mglaser: hi shepazu
2012-10-08 11:29:42 mglaser: done
2012-10-08 11:29:53 shepazu: what's done? :)
2012-10-08 11:30:21 mglaser: just deployed a small php notice fix to talk (was announced before you entered the chat ;) )
2012-10-08 11:36:28 mglaser: shepazu: the comments issue might have been a caching thing. I had it in IE, Chrome and Safari, but it went away after some time (just did a reload after 2 minutes). Anyways, we changed the CSS so that it will not be shown on top of the page by accident.
2012-10-08 11:36:49 shepazu: mglaser: ok, great
2012-10-08 11:36:54 mglaser: shepazu: I already enabled it in current, but you might want to have another quick look, if there's time ;)
2012-10-08 11:37:09 shepazu: I just did :)
2012-10-08 11:37:22 mglaser: shepazu, hope it worked?
2012-10-08 11:37:28 shepazu: cmills: what's this about timeouts?
2012-10-08 11:37:40 shepazu: mglaser: you'd have heard if it didn't :P
2012-10-08 11:37:59 shepazu: I'm glad we can launch with this :)
2012-10-08 11:38:54 shepazu: though I will be monitoring feedback to make sure it stays stable… still, I think it will be okay :)
2012-10-08 11:41:26 osnard: I'm going to deploy new search configuration and minor fixes to "docs_current". Any objections?
2012-10-08 11:41:55 shepazu: sounds god
2012-10-08 11:42:00 shepazu: also, good
2012-10-08 11:44:33 mglaser: shepazu :)
2012-10-08 11:47:17 mglaser: shepazu: will we have a countdown to launch? ;)
2012-10-08 11:48:35 shepazu: T-3:42 and counting….
2012-10-08 11:49:03 mglaser: :)
2012-10-08 11:50:05 mglaser: oh, actually I was thinking it would be T-1:40 now?
2012-10-08 11:51:48 cmills: shepazu: just that we should increase the amount of time before users are auto logged out, if we haven't already
2012-10-08 11:52:20 shepazu: cmills: auto-logged out from what?
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2012-10-08 11:53:17 mglaser: shepazu, don't mind me, I did not read "UTC"
2012-10-08 11:53:24 shepazu: mglaser: :)
2012-10-08 11:53:26 cmills: shepazy: the site
2012-10-08 11:53:33 cmills: shepazu *
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2012-10-08 11:54:19 shepazu: chrismills: can you be a bit more precise? which part of the site? the wiki?
2012-10-08 11:54:22 chrismills: ah, thats better - pointless being logged into the IRC into places ;-)
2012-10-08 11:54:32 chrismills: shepazu: yes, the wiki. Sorry!
2012-10-08 11:54:55 shepazu: chrismills, did you file a bug?
2012-10-08 11:54:58 chrismills: as in, to decrease the likelihood of people losing wrk because they've left a Wiki page unsaved for 20 minutes
2012-10-08 11:55:05 chrismills: I'm sure I did somewhere. Lemme look
2012-10-08 11:56:29 shepazu: chrismills: this is the first I've heard of this… there were some bugs earlier that were caused by shared memcache, but I thought those were solved… I don't think we enabled any site timeout (though we did talk about it for the first few days, to save server hits)
2012-10-08 11:56:44 shepazu: chrismills: is it still happening?
2012-10-08 11:57:47 chrismills: It's not happened to me recently, but Luz mentioned it to me recently. But I don't know if she has checked it recently. Let's leave this for now, until we hear it happening again. It's probably gone now the memcache thing has been fixed
2012-10-08 11:58:29 shepazu: chrismills: ok, but if you see it again, please file (or update) the bug
2012-10-08 11:59:35 shepazu: chrismills: did you see my comment to your bugzilla bug about filing bugs?
2012-10-08 11:59:51 chrismills: shepazu: yes; I'm merging the pages now
2012-10-08 11:59:58 shepazu: great
2012-10-08 12:00:01 shepazu: thanks
2012-10-08 12:00:15 chrismills: And I'll correct the link so it points to the correct place
2012-10-08 12:00:44 shepazu: chrismills: there's also http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Bugzilla_Guidelines
2012-10-08 12:01:33 shepazu: some of this was written for the hackathon, not the general public
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2012-10-08 12:19:25 chrismills: shepazu: Ive' gone over that as well, and merged a couple of useful bits that weren't already in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
2012-10-08 12:20:14 shepazu: chrismills: excellent!
2012-10-08 12:20:52 shepazu: chrismills: do you think we should emphasize the use of the in-page comments over filing bugs for page content? or is that already clear enough?
2012-10-08 12:21:13 chrismills: I can make it a bit more forceful, if you like
2012-10-08 12:21:25 chrismills: we certainly could stand to do so
2012-10-08 12:24:01 shepazu: chrismills: I'm just guessing… but my intuition says that developers who are given a choice between a new kind of commenting and filing bugs in bugzilla (which many already know) may default to filing bugzilla bugs, which is less actionable for us on a per-page basis
2012-10-08 12:24:23 shepazu: even though it's harder to do!
2012-10-08 12:24:54 chrismills: yup. We want to minimise the number of crappy little "fix typo" bugs we receive
2012-10-08 12:25:13 chrismills: We will still receive those, but hey, no harm in trying to reduce them down
2012-10-08 12:30:54 shepazu: indeed… and hopefully people will fix typos themselves :) I will never understand the mentality of people filing typo bugs on wikis… if you know what the fix is, just fix it! :)
2012-10-08 12:31:33 shepazu: chrismills: I reckon we should move the main page back from meta now, right?
2012-10-08 12:32:11 chrismills: shepazu: WFM dude
2012-10-08 12:32:29 shepazu: that's your baby, you want to do it, or shall I?
2012-10-08 12:36:41 chrismills: I don't mind who does it really
2012-10-08 12:36:48 chrismills: Do I just use the move tool as normal?
2012-10-08 12:37:16 shepazu: chrismills: yeah… well, you have to delete the current page first
2012-10-08 12:37:35 shepazu: that is, the one at the target location
2012-10-08 12:37:48 chrismills: so http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page ?
2012-10-08 12:37:55 chrismills: How do I delete pages?
2012-10-08 12:38:21 chrismills: shepazu
2012-10-08 12:38:39 shepazu: chrismills: in the edit menu
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2012-10-08 12:39:37 chrismills: shepazu: should I have a "delete" option? Cos I don't.
2012-10-08 12:39:57 shepazu: didn't we change your permissions?
2012-10-08 12:40:13 chrismills: we did, but I think something went wrong
2012-10-08 12:40:29 chrismills: Remember the other week when we tried to get me the additional options inside the MOVE page?
2012-10-08 12:40:49 shepazu: huh
2012-10-08 12:41:06 shepazu: btw, chrismills, can you put in some profile info? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Cmills
2012-10-08 12:41:52 chrismills: shepazu: yes, I'll do that now
2012-10-08 12:42:14 shepazu: chrismills: hey, check if you have Delete now
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2012-10-08 12:42:40 chrismills: BTW, I've updated http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs - can you let me know if you think it is too strong now?
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2012-10-08 12:43:29 chrismills: shepazu: no - I still don't have delete
2012-10-08 12:43:34 Guest68941: is this thing on?
2012-10-08 12:43:44 shepazu: uh oh
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2012-10-08 12:43:53 shepazu: looks like we have a leak :)
2012-10-08 12:44:59 shepazu: chrismills: try logging out and back in
2012-10-08 12:45:50 chrismills: shepazu: nope, still no joy
2012-10-08 12:46:00 shepazu: chrismills: perplexing!
2012-10-08 12:46:11 chrismills: bloody pain in the arse ;-)
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2012-10-08 12:54:31 shepazu: chrismills: I'll delete the page :(
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2012-10-08 12:54:43 chrismills: ok, cheers mate
2012-10-08 12:54:54 shepazu: chrismills: I toned down http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs a bit :)
2012-10-08 12:56:08 chrismills: ta mate - looks great.
2012-10-08 12:56:31 shepazu: chrismills: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
2012-10-08 13:00:36 chrismills: nice one shepazu
2012-10-08 13:00:43 chrismills: looks poifect
2012-10-08 13:00:52 shepazu: brb
2012-10-08 13:12:20 mglaser: deploying to talk in a minute
2012-10-08 13:20:05 mglaser: done
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2012-10-08 13:29:02 shepazu: mglaser: talk or test?
2012-10-08 13:29:51 mglaser: talk. last minute removal of error logging ;)
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2012-10-08 13:30:40 shepazu: ok
2012-10-08 13:33:29 mglaser: shepazu, piwik seems to be tracking page ids instead of nice titles for blog and forum. I tried to change that, but no luck. I'll leave it for now.
2012-10-08 13:34:06 shepazu: mglaser: ok, but let's fix that ASAP… in the meantime, can you file a bug, please?
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2012-10-08 13:36:40 mglaser: ok, will do.
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2012-10-08 13:40:46 ssweens: hey guys, how we looking?
2012-10-08 13:41:07 ssweens: looks good from what i read...
2012-10-08 13:42:31 shepazu: looking okay
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2012-10-08 13:45:06 chrismills: shepazu: looks pretty good mate. I've been running about, plugging up last minute holes
2012-10-08 13:45:16 chrismills: But really not looking too bad, for this stage.
2012-10-08 13:45:24 shepazu: great
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2012-10-08 13:50:57 nathanlong: w00t IN TEH CHATS
2012-10-08 13:51:30 nathanlong: is joining web platform currently disabled?
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2012-10-08 13:52:23 shepazu: nathanlong: yes, we haven't launched yet :)
2012-10-08 13:52:27 nathanlong: i was unable to complete the sign up process, the capcha module doesn't seem to be loading
2012-10-08 13:52:28 nathanlong: ah
2012-10-08 13:52:38 nathanlong: well that makes sense
2012-10-08 13:52:48 shepazu: nathanlong: how did you hear about it?
2012-10-08 13:53:01 nathanlong: twitter
2012-10-08 13:53:11 shepazu: url?
2012-10-08 13:53:24 nathanlong: sure, let me dig it up
2012-10-08 13:53:41 nathanlong: https://twitter.com/bryanrieger/status/255285866950443009
2012-10-08 13:53:48 nathanlong: which i then retweeted
2012-10-08 13:54:00 nathanlong: i can remove it if it's a problem for you all
2012-10-08 13:54:02 shepazu: sigh.
2012-10-08 13:54:58 nathanlong: so i take it word was not supposed to travel?
2012-10-08 13:55:04 nathanlong: quite yet?
2012-10-08 13:55:04 shepazu: no
2012-10-08 13:55:58 nathanlong: well i removed my tweet
2012-10-08 13:56:01 nathanlong: sorry to cause trouble
2012-10-08 13:56:05 shepazu: thanks, nathanlong
2012-10-08 13:56:12 shepazu: np, you didn't know
2012-10-08 13:56:13 nathanlong: just got excited by what you all are building here
2012-10-08 13:56:18 shepazu: yup :)
2012-10-08 13:56:32 chrismills: Hrm, I wonder how that leaked to Bryan? Ack well. Perhaps via some of the dudes Irish talked to at Jsconf?
2012-10-08 13:56:48 chrismills: We have half an hour until launch, right?
2012-10-08 13:57:11 ssweens: hour and a half
2012-10-08 13:57:24 chrismills: ok, hour and a half ;-)
2012-10-08 13:57:41 chrismills: so nathanlong  - not too long until you can tell the world anyhow ;-)
2012-10-08 13:58:14 nathanlong: haha ok!
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2012-10-08 14:20:49 Eliot: Good morning! (or afternoon, to Europe)
2012-10-08 14:21:04 Eliot: Site looks VERY good
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2012-10-08 14:23:45 desbenoit_: @chirsmills
2012-10-08 14:24:16 desbenoit_: chrismills hello Chris, I just wrote a stub from "An introduction to digital design".
2012-10-08 14:25:04 shepazu: Eliot: can you join the stewards channel?
2012-10-08 14:26:11 Eliot: on w3c?
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2012-10-08 14:28:55 chrismills: desbenoit_: cheers man
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2012-10-08 14:31:42 mglaser: Eliot: good morning :)
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2012-10-08 14:33:54 desbenoit: @chrismills Should we keep the "digital design" name? I mean digital design includes video games too
2012-10-08 14:34:35 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: howdy
2012-10-08 14:34:49 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: hey
2012-10-08 14:35:03 shepazu: we wanted you to be around for launch
2012-10-08 14:35:16 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: inevitably, the story got leaked
2012-10-08 14:35:30 shepazu: so, we were thinking of launching a bit early
2012-10-08 14:35:58 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-08 14:36:10 mglaser: shepazu: so what's the current countdown value?
2012-10-08 14:36:32 shepazu: normally, it would be T-54:00
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2012-10-08 14:37:21 Ryan_Lane: so, anything you need help with?
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2012-10-08 14:39:16 chrismills: desbenoit: you have a point - what would be better, do you think?
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2012-10-08 15:06:19 marccanter: there seems to be some entire areas missing
2012-10-08 15:06:33 marccanter: what's up with that?  RSS, Identity?
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2012-10-08 15:07:13 shepazu: marccanter: missing from where?
2012-10-08 15:07:26 marccanter: from the webplatforms.org website
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2012-10-08 15:07:39 komoroske: marccanter: The site is in its _very_ early stages
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2012-10-08 15:07:56 komoroske: marccanter: There's lots of areas that are missing or incomplete
2012-10-08 15:07:57 marccanter: OK - so you'll be ADDING RSS and Identity?
2012-10-08 15:08:18 chrismills: marccanter there are gaps. We want to make it as comprehensive as possible
2012-10-08 15:08:32 chrismills: marccanter: feel free to add content if you want the help out!
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2012-10-08 15:09:03 marccanter: so you'll admit that the site needs mention of RSS - and a WHOLE lotta stuff on Identity (OpenID, OAuth, etc.)????
2012-10-08 15:09:03 shepazu: marccanter: we'll be adding tons of stuff
2012-10-08 15:09:15 karlcow: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/08/apple-facebook-google-microsoft-and-others-join-forces-to-launch-new-web-standards-resource/
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2012-10-08 15:09:43 marccanter: awesome - thank you - that's all I wante dto make sure of.  There's a "Federated Social Web" summit on Oct. 26th - some of you should be there!
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2012-10-08 15:10:27 shepazu: marccanter: I've been to some of the identity stuff, including NSTIC events, with my colleague Harry Halpin… I'm very interested in identity
2012-10-08 15:10:31 chrismills: marccanter: please intro us to any community members you think could help to contribute content
2012-10-08 15:10:53 Jay: Why isn't the Apple logo on the bottom of home page of this site?
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2012-10-08 15:11:01 marccanter: Kaliya Hamlin - from the IIW (Internet identity Workshop) is key
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2012-10-08 15:11:12 marccanter: and OpenID has its own foundation board, etc.
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2012-10-08 15:11:32 marccanter: and as far as RSS is concerned - the Berkman Institute at Harvard are the "caretakers"
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2012-10-08 15:12:19 chrismills: marccanter: nice, thanks.
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2012-10-08 15:12:24 shepazu: Jay: Apple is a steward of the site, but opted out of having their logo on the footer for reasons of their own :)
2012-10-08 15:12:30 karlcow: https://twitter.com/i/#!/search/webplatform.org%20filter%3Alinks
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2012-10-08 15:12:45 marccanter: Doc Searls, Craig Burton, Andre Durand - are all stewards of the standards.....
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2012-10-08 15:12:55 marccanter: gotta run - great work - keep going!
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2012-10-08 15:13:31 Jay: @shepazu your sources ?
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2012-10-08 15:13:47 Guest55169: great
2012-10-08 15:13:52 Guest55169: its working
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2012-10-08 15:14:08 shepazu: Jay: I'm my sources :)
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2012-10-08 15:14:39 Jay: @shepazu do you work for any of these 10 organisations ?
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2012-10-08 15:15:00 shepazu: Jay: I work for all of them! I'm with W3C :D
2012-10-08 15:15:13 jmserra: This project does actually look great
2012-10-08 15:15:24 Jay: @shepazu Great.
2012-10-08 15:15:28 shepazu: jmserra: thanks! it'll only get better
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2012-10-08 15:15:40 TheSisb: I look forward to contributing to this endeavour.
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2012-10-08 15:15:53 jmserra: it would be awesome if some of the community features of stackoverflow could be implemented
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2012-10-08 15:17:07 shepazu: jmserra: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/
2012-10-08 15:17:11 jmserra: are there any conversations with stackexchange guys to join forces in this project?
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2012-10-08 15:17:26 Thomas_: oh hi all
2012-10-08 15:17:35 shepazu: jmserra: we're only using open source software
2012-10-08 15:17:55 jmserra: wow i didnt saw that!
2012-10-08 15:18:04 jmserra: honestly i thought was a regular forums site :)
2012-10-08 15:18:10 jmserra: sorry :P
2012-10-08 15:18:12 Jay: @shepazu Can I know the reason despite the IRC being too cumbersome, these well reputed organisations using it on this new site which aims at developing new web standards & nurturing them ?
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2012-10-08 15:19:07 shepazu: jmserra: maybe we should change the label to Q&A?
2012-10-08 15:19:08 jmserra: its maybe that when i see Forums word i just try to escape :D
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2012-10-08 15:19:10 jmserra: i will look at it thanks
2012-10-08 15:19:13 jmserra: definitely!
2012-10-08 15:19:22 shepazu: jmserra, thanks for the feedback!
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2012-10-08 15:19:48 jmserra: you're welcome! keep up with this awesome work guys!
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2012-10-08 15:20:03 Thomas_: 7 errors found on W3C validator on this page :) am I wrong?
2012-10-08 15:20:07 shepazu: Jay: how is IRC too cumbersome? at W3C, we use it all the time to talk to one another, and I'm using it right now to talk to you! :)
2012-10-08 15:20:19 shepazu: Thomas_: you're probably right :)
2012-10-08 15:20:28 shepazu: we have a lot of bugs to iron out
2012-10-08 15:20:31 Thomas_: shepazu > hehe ok then :p
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2012-10-08 15:22:36 Jay: @shepazu just compare it with any chat app out there. IRC is badly designed. We need to look carefully to read the messages & figuring out other things. What's your take on this ?
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2012-10-08 15:23:17 sss: :D
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2012-10-08 15:24:38 TheSisb: My main issue with IRC in this case is that you have a forum, and two methods of communication not only splits usage, but loses some too
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2012-10-08 15:24:52 pzich: Jay: what would you prefer to IRC? I'd say it's a tried and true system for chatrooms
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2012-10-08 15:27:28 Jay: @pzich I'm not questioning its functionality. The design element is lacking. At first look I did not wanted to start a conversation but did just to ask why isn't it designed properly?
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2012-10-08 15:28:13 pzich: Jay: I'm asking what chat platform you'd prefer, and what features you like from it
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2012-10-08 15:28:23 jswisher: TheSisb: sometimes people want synchronous communication, sometimes asynchronous
2012-10-08 15:28:37 jswisher: different kinds of conversations  happen in each one
2012-10-08 15:28:44 pzich: definitely
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2012-10-08 15:29:26 jswisher: You can have logs of chat, but they are tedious to read later
2012-10-08 15:29:26 Jay: @shepazu @pzich Despite companies like Apple, Adobe and W3C on the board, who play a lot of attention to design, the IRC is so cumbersome looking.
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2012-10-08 15:29:49 lampe2: hello
2012-10-08 15:29:51 shepazu: Jay: sorry you feel that way… I like it, myself
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2012-10-08 15:30:33 lampe2: and i dont use the web chat client...
2012-10-08 15:30:35 pzich: Jay: IRC is a protocol, an application can hide away scary things like /commands or channel modes, can you elaborate on "cumbersome"?
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2012-10-08 15:32:56 karlcow: Jay: which platform do you use?: Win, MacOS or Linux?
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2012-10-08 15:34:47 Jay: @pzich Cumbersome: there's timing of messages bring sent, then there is this "X has joined [123-323-434]" "Y left". AT least they could make a separate column for these things.
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2012-10-08 15:35:34 pzich: I don't think it makes sense to disassociate joins and parts into an entirely separate column, if you don't want to see them, I recommend finding a client that will hide them
2012-10-08 15:35:36 lampe2: Jay, this is irc it was always like that ....
2012-10-08 15:35:39 jmserra: Looks like avatar uploading feature doesnt work very well in the profile ;)  http://cl.ly/image/0d3T3q1S3u0t
2012-10-08 15:35:39 karlcow: Jay: you could use a client which does that for you
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2012-10-08 15:35:43 jmserra: Which is the best place to report bugs?
2012-10-08 15:35:43 sgarrity: let's get some Persona login up on this thing.
2012-10-08 15:35:52 pzich: lampe2: he knows it's IRC, it's IRC he doesn't like
2012-10-08 15:36:03 chrismills: jmserra: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/
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2012-10-08 15:36:59 jmserra: OK thanks
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2012-10-08 15:37:53 Jay: @lampe2 @karlcow @pzich So you mean to say things will remain same with IRC because the people who actually use it, like it. Can you imagine a thing like IRC being used after 50 or 100 years ?
2012-10-08 15:38:10 lampe2: pzich, haha okay :D
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2012-10-08 15:38:49 pzich: Jay: I don't see the protocol changing drastically, it sounds like your complaint is more with the client than the protocol, there are many clients out there for IRC
2012-10-08 15:39:01 karlcow: Jay: I think we are just saying there are many ways to share information. IRC is one of them. And there are excellent clients with good UIs to hide details you do not like. There are some where you can decide to show some information or not
2012-10-08 15:39:09 karlcow: depending on your own tastes
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2012-10-08 15:39:12 karlcow: :)
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2012-10-08 15:39:19 lampe2: Jay, irc is good as it is its not cumbersome. its very easy if you understand it once ! and i think most people dont use the web interface they use mirc,xchat or a apple client
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2012-10-08 15:39:35 pzich: at the end of the day pretty much every chat service involves conencting to a chatroom or user on a server and getting messages from it, how they're shown to you is what you seem to be concerned with
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2012-10-08 15:40:59 shepazu: hi, frog_
2012-10-08 15:41:02 pzich: also, granted, as the tech media is all over this right now the join/part rate is a bit high
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2012-10-08 15:42:19 dphnx: wow, such a refreshing sight to see all these big players using proven tools like irc
2012-10-08 15:42:19 dphnx: I'm very excited to see this site evolve
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2012-10-08 15:43:02 IanJ_ has been slave to irc for WAY to long. :)
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2012-10-08 15:44:14 lampe2: i dont get it :D whats bad about irc? irc is great !
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2012-10-08 15:44:56 shepazu: lampe2: to each their own, I guess :)
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2012-10-08 15:47:04 karlcow: shepazu: How about adding a link to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-08 15:47:13 karlcow: in the topic of the IRC channel
2012-10-08 15:47:14 Jay: @pzich @karlcow @lampe2 My point is, this website has got backing from so well reputed firms, and they aim to "We are an open community of developers building resources for a better web..." is this what they make or use? Some guidelines should be set for the usage of this protocol, e.g. Apple has laid guidelines for proper usage of its logo: http://bit.ly/hv53Ek
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2012-10-08 15:47:47 pzich: Jay: I work at Apple, and we use Jabber and IRC for internal communication, it looks not unlike this
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2012-10-08 15:48:52 Jay: @pzich Then inform Mr. Cook or Ive about it.
2012-10-08 15:48:54 schalkneethling: I see this is going public today
2012-10-08 15:48:55 schalkneethling: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/10/welcoming-the-new-kid-web-platform-docs
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2012-10-08 15:49:08 schalkneethling: congrats everyone!!
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2012-10-08 15:49:46 shepazu changed topic to: Welcome to WebPlatform :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 15:50:01 shepazu: succeed!
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2012-10-08 15:50:30 Guest37666: -.-
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2012-10-08 15:50:31 pzich: I could see them having opinions about an IRC client, but the protocol was established in 1988 and is fairly standard for a chat protocol
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2012-10-08 15:51:04 shepazu: pzich: please don't feed the troll :)
2012-10-08 15:51:11 pzich: but it's soo much fun
2012-10-08 15:51:22 shepazu: pzich: as you wish :)
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2012-10-08 15:52:00 rafg: is there a way to programmatically access the docs?
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2012-10-08 15:52:07 Jay: @pzich @karlcow @ lampe2 We need to evolve. This protocol and related clients need to evolve.  If get used to things we'll never prefer to change them.
2012-10-08 15:52:15 tobie: Hey everyone! Congrats on the launch!
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2012-10-08 15:52:34 rafg: i.e. use an API instead of scraping
2012-10-08 15:52:44 chrismills: raft not yet - but this is in the pipeline for the future; we want to have a decent api for accessing browser support info and other stuff. Yes.
2012-10-08 15:52:45 lampe2: Jay, ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º>
2012-10-08 15:53:06 rafg: @chrismills thanks
2012-10-08 15:53:10 chrismills: Any thoughts you have on how this should be would be much apreciated
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2012-10-08 15:53:34 Wei: Hello
2012-10-08 15:53:56 lampe2: hello Wei
2012-10-08 15:53:57 Jay: @lampe2 What's that? no emoticons in irc ? :P
2012-10-08 15:54:24 lampe2: Jay, how do you thin emotiocns works?
2012-10-08 15:54:24 rafg: @chrismills MDN has an API, looking for the link...
2012-10-08 15:54:30 shepazu: hey, Wei
2012-10-08 15:54:39 dontcallmedom: a few of my early findings:
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2012-10-08 15:54:52 chrismills: raft - we've looked at that
2012-10-08 15:54:59 dontcallmedom: * not clear how to migrate a non-semantic page to a semantic one (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/atrules/@-ms-viewport)
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2012-10-08 15:55:13 rafg: @chrismills: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Project:The_Kuma_API
2012-10-08 15:55:16 dontcallmedom: * the pages imported from MSDN use go.microsoft.com/fwlink instead of a direct ref
2012-10-08 15:55:23 komoroske: dontcallmedom: Hold on for a sec
2012-10-08 15:55:31 komoroske: dontcallmedom: Let me respond to that first one first. :-0
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2012-10-08 15:55:59 komoroske: dontcallmedom: "Semantic" is hard to define in this context. Basically "Semantic" here just means "all of the content is in the right form fields, and not in a big blob of text"
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2012-10-08 15:56:39 komoroske: we've designed templates for many of the common page types that seek to break up the page into a certain structure. This structure then helps us use Semantic Media Wiki's functionality so we can do queries, etc
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2012-10-08 15:57:05 komoroske: but as far as most editors have to be concerned, it just means making sure that information is in the right form field
2012-10-08 15:57:20 odinho: Very happy with this. But http://webplatform.org/ seems to be slashdotted or something here (from opera's network), it won't load. :-)
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2012-10-08 15:58:01 odinho: The wiki seems to load. -- Ah, frontpage loaded now. Good that it seems to be getting lots of traffic. :-)
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2012-10-08 15:58:08 cpb: hi folks.
2012-10-08 15:58:13 komoroske: dontcallmedom: as for your second point, good catch
2012-10-08 15:58:15 pzich: any fun traffic stats yet?
2012-10-08 15:58:35 komoroske: but hopefully that won't matter long term; the goal is that people help build _this_ site into the comprehensive documentation site
2012-10-08 15:58:42 cpb: where are you from? ;-)
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2012-10-08 15:59:20 shepazu: pzich: we'll be posting site stats at some point… when we have a chance to breathe
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2012-10-08 15:59:55 pzich: shepazu: heh, of course
2012-10-08 16:00:15 cwalsh: shepazu, What stack is the current site running on, just curious?
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2012-10-08 16:01:30 dontcallmedom: komoroske, re non-semantic page, I think the page I gave as an example is of the case "big blob of text", see http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=css/atrules/@-ms-viewport&action=formedit
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2012-10-08 16:01:47 dontcallmedom: that said, I'm not sure a template has been defined for CSS at rules quite yet, so that might be the best option at this time
2012-10-08 16:01:59 komoroske: that's true
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2012-10-08 16:02:16 komoroske: at this point some templates (like the one for CSS Property) are more well defined than others
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2012-10-08 16:02:36 lampe2: maybe the site should have a BIG alpha at the logo ^^
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2012-10-08 16:02:57 komoroske: lampe2: We were hoping the big alpha banner would catch people's eyes :-)
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2012-10-08 16:03:11 shepazu: cwalsh: it's on HP Cloud, Open Stack, LAMP, SALT, and a few other technologies
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2012-10-08 16:06:45 loktar: thats better
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2012-10-08 16:08:56 dontcallmedom: I thought that there had been an import bug turning "i" into 1 at first glance
2012-10-08 16:08:57 loktar: wow..
2012-10-08 16:09:00 loktar: sry im retarded
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2012-10-08 16:09:30 Appliness: Hey @hemanth
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2012-10-08 16:09:57 hemanth: W3schools count your days!
2012-10-08 16:10:14 shepazu: odinho: oh, yes, I think it has a garnish of Varnish, too
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2012-10-08 16:10:45 odinho: I'm amazed that the front page is so slow. Where is the traffic coming from, -- it's not on reddit.
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2012-10-08 16:11:03 roque: odinho: it's the top link on hacker news right now
2012-10-08 16:11:05 pzich: and tech sites
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2012-10-08 16:11:14 odinho: roque: Ah, that and twitter could do it.
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2012-10-08 16:11:28 leaverou: shepazu: why is the blog link currently broken? I tweeted it!
2012-10-08 16:11:30 leaverou: http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/09/one-small-step/
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2012-10-08 16:11:35 leaverou: ^ that one
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2012-10-08 16:12:38 Jay: @pzich @karlcow @ lampe2 If you don't change this today somebody else would definitely tomorrow. Allright, its dinner time here, it was really nice to chat with you talented people. BBYE, have a nice day/eve. :)
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2012-10-08 16:19:54 BVB: Hello
2012-10-08 16:19:55 tigermain: hi guys, do we know if there will be much scope for best practive guides for restful api development, soap etc etc?
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2012-10-08 16:22:00 shepazu: down the line :)
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2012-10-08 16:22:50 chrismills: tigermain - absolutely. We want to document as many useful technologies, techniques and concepts as possible
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2012-10-08 16:23:07 chrismills: Please write some docs for us ;-)
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2012-10-08 16:25:21 Danny: what's going on web platform?
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2012-10-08 16:25:31 Wil_: what up
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2012-10-08 16:26:40 chrismills: Danny: everything ;-)
2012-10-08 16:26:41 _555: hello world
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2012-10-08 16:27:08 hsquared: chrismills: best-pratice collection for different technologies and discussion?
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2012-10-08 16:27:20 SergioMasellis: So this page is kind of like a stack overflow but with documentation?
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2012-10-08 16:27:38 hsquared: SergioMasellis: yep, sounds a bit like that
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2012-10-08 16:27:42 chrismills: anything open web standards related that will be of use to developers
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2012-10-08 16:27:53 mrgenixus: does stackoverflow power the 'forums' page?
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2012-10-08 16:27:59 shepazu: SergioMasellis: more like documentation with a q&a forum :)
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2012-10-08 16:28:06 hsquared: biiiiiiiiiig approch, hope the project team does not get lost
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2012-10-08 16:28:25 SergioMasellis: Sounds interesting
2012-10-08 16:28:26 shepazu: mrgenixus: no, Question2Answer… we only use open-source software on this project
2012-10-08 16:28:28 chrismills: it's basically aimed at being the ultimate reference and tutorial site for web standards
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2012-10-08 16:29:03 andyunleash: site seems awesome
2012-10-08 16:29:11 hsquared: good support by the big names, hope that helps
2012-10-08 16:29:12 andyunleash: anyone know if there are plans for a SASS section?
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2012-10-08 16:29:17 shepazu: hsquared: a bit late for that, we're already a bit lost :)
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2012-10-08 16:29:29 mrgenixus: ah, ok, shepazu, thanks for clarifying; question2answer is aimed at being an open-source alternative to SE then?
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2012-10-08 16:30:22 shepazu: andyunleash: you mean "Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets"? we should cover that under libraries, ultimately
2012-10-08 16:30:27 Masako_Kh: @andyunleash: Did you try LESS??
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2012-10-08 16:30:46 andyunleash: I use SASS now - just asking if there a plans for a section cause I would be super keen to get involved
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2012-10-08 16:31:28 shepazu: andyunleash: ping us in a few days when the dust settles, and we'll look where it best fits
2012-10-08 16:31:33 sphax3d: part
2012-10-08 16:31:36 andyunleash: sure thing
2012-10-08 16:31:39 GNi33: I'm sure this has been asked and answered a thousand times already, but will Mozilla move their content from the MDN to webplatform?
2012-10-08 16:31:44 SergioMasellis: any way we cab turn off the  "join or left notification here. dont use irc much"
2012-10-08 16:31:51 SergioMasellis: *we can
2012-10-08 16:31:53 shepazu: mrgenixus: seems like that's what they're aiming for
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2012-10-08 16:32:48 shepazu: GNi33: Mozilla doesn't own the MDN content, but we hope to port as much over as we can
2012-10-08 16:32:59 dontcallmedom: GNi33, see also https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/10/welcoming-the-new-kid-web-platform-docs/
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2012-10-08 16:33:36 hsquared: hahaha, shepazu. Yep, well, if the site delivers basic tools for exchange and a good performance (like e.g. github in it's smaller segment) that might become a good success. No rocket sience is needed but speedy access and small functional improvements.
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2012-10-08 16:33:39 chrismills: on the tutorial pages
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2012-10-08 16:33:44 Masako_Kh: just js
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2012-10-08 16:34:09 shepazu: GNi33: we're using a more liberal license than MDN (CC-BY vs. CC-BY-SA), but we hope to resolve that over time
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2012-10-08 16:34:58 shepazu: Masako_Kh: I don't think we'll cover Ruby, there are plenty of resources there… mostly client-side stuff, like JS here
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2012-10-08 16:36:18 Jay: Sup
2012-10-08 16:36:22 GNi33: ok, thanks :) looking forward to see this page evolve
2012-10-08 16:36:28 Jay: is anyone here actually a developer/designer for webplatform.org?
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2012-10-08 16:36:56 sergiomasellis: hello
2012-10-08 16:36:59 EGreg: can yout ell me more? what is this project going to accomplish
2012-10-08 16:37:12 arturo__: This is great way for sharing knowledge
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2012-10-08 16:37:32 komoroske: EGreg: Check out the FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-08 16:37:38 Jay: The "forums" page breaks easily if your width is < 990px
2012-10-08 16:37:38 Jay:  http://bit.ly/WI2LTV
2012-10-08 16:37:50 lampe2: is her maybe someone into eleraning ? and maybe LOM, SCORM and the Sementicweb ?
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2012-10-08 16:37:54 komoroske: EGreg: But in a nutshell, our goal is to build this into _the_ definitive source for web developer documentation
2012-10-08 16:38:04 komoroske: But we'll need a lot of help. :-)
2012-10-08 16:38:21 EGreg: sort of like Mozilla Developer NEtwork?
2012-10-08 16:38:21 GNi33: now that is a great goal to have
2012-10-08 16:38:35 shepazu: Jay: yes, several of us are here from the project
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2012-10-08 16:39:09 komoroske: EGreg: Yep, but in a neutral space
2012-10-08 16:39:11 EGreg: Are you guys going to have a page listing web frameworks? Such as jquery, or server side ones
2012-10-08 16:39:22 Jay: @shepazu, can you fwd this to your developer/designer:  http://bit.ly/WI2LTV
2012-10-08 16:39:40 komoroske: EGreg: We might have pages on that, but we'll have to see what ends up being useful for developers
2012-10-08 16:39:50 Jay: jQuery is not a framework, last i checked ;)
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2012-10-08 16:40:23 shepazu: w00t!
2012-10-08 16:40:51 Jay: @shepazu, i'm excited about this project. glad to see lots of companies and people are excited as well. :)
2012-10-08 16:40:55 Jay: hope it starts to gain steam
2012-10-08 16:41:00 shepazu: thanks, Jay
2012-10-08 16:41:26 Jay: ok guys, gotta get back to work. :) have fun
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2012-10-08 16:41:46 EGreg: komoroske - you should also incorporate the following imho:
2012-10-08 16:41:49 antonkovalyov: is this supposed to look like this (no titles)? http://cl.ly/image/1s2k24413G3C
2012-10-08 16:41:55 EGreg: http://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Main
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2012-10-08 16:41:57 EGreg: and also this:
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2012-10-08 16:42:03 komoroske: antonkovalyov: That's a known issue
2012-10-08 16:42:16 antonkovalyov: kk
2012-10-08 16:42:18 EGreg: http://caniuse.com
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2012-10-08 16:43:29 komoroske: if you hit "Edit" on many pages, there's space for compatibility tables but also "Compatibility notes"
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2012-10-08 16:43:43 antonkovalyov: oh god bugzilla :)
2012-10-08 16:43:44 komoroske: in a stuctured way
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2012-10-08 16:43:48 antonkovalyov: i thought only mozilla uses it
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2012-10-08 16:43:54 solidgumby: so, is this an effort to make w3school a thing of the past ?
2012-10-08 16:43:59 komoroske: antonkovalyov: Nope, W3C uses it--and so does WebKit
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2012-10-08 16:45:22 komoroske: dontcallmedom: Use the "Compatibility notes" form section for that
2012-10-08 16:45:22 EGreg: komoroske - I will give an example
2012-10-08 16:45:23 EGreg: http://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Main
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2012-10-08 16:45:33 dontcallmedom: komoroske,  of course! sorry for the noise :)
2012-10-08 16:45:34 EGreg: helped me to figure out the cookie security policies for 3rd party domains
2012-10-08 16:45:38 EGreg: when making facebook canvas apps
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2012-10-08 16:45:44 komoroske: dontcallmedom: No problem, thanks for helping out!
2012-10-08 16:45:47 EGreg: without this, it wouldn't work
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2012-10-08 16:46:03 komoroske: EGreg: That kind of content might be good to have on the site
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2012-10-08 16:46:22 komoroske: EGreg: To be clear, that information about 3rd party cookies DEFINITELY makes sense to include
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2012-10-08 16:46:36 EGreg: yep
2012-10-08 16:46:39 EGreg: just giving you guys some ideas.
2012-10-08 16:46:39 komoroske: But that link you sent has good content, and maybe in the future stuff like that could live on WPD
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2012-10-08 16:46:50 EGreg: I don't know how much I can contribute, considering I am not from Google, Apple or Microsoft. I am from Qbix :)
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2012-10-08 16:47:03 Ravi_: Hello World
2012-10-08 16:47:03 komoroske: EGreg: This community is open to everyone
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2012-10-08 16:47:09 EGreg: how
2012-10-08 16:47:14 komoroske: and folks from Stewards organizations don't get special privilges
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2012-10-08 16:48:07 dontcallmedom: EGreg, get an account and contribute :)
2012-10-08 16:48:08 chrismills: EGreg - EVERYONE is allowed to edit/add, as long as they sign up for a free account.
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2012-10-08 16:48:48 komoroske: EGreg: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Policy/Administration
2012-10-08 16:48:55 Osmose1000: I imagine that would be a common misconception since if something doesn't look like Wikipedia, the average person doesn't think it's a wiki.
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2012-10-08 16:49:13 komoroske: Osmose1000: That's one of the reasons we have "wiki" in the URL
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2012-10-08 16:49:17 chrismills: Osmose1000: not ugly enough, huh? ;-)
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2012-10-08 16:49:23 Osmose1000: chrismills: Hahahaha
2012-10-08 16:49:36 Osmose1000: Not saying that that is a mistake, just a consequence of the choice :P
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2012-10-08 16:50:01 Osmose1000: komoroske: Man who looks at URLs these days anyway :P
2012-10-08 16:50:08 komoroske: Osmose1000: :-)
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2012-10-08 16:50:16 chrismills: Osmose1000: see komoroske's message too - it is a real balance to strike. We want it to be obvious enough so that people do feel they can contribute.
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2012-10-08 16:50:56 maulik: hey all
2012-10-08 16:51:00 Osmose1000: Perhaps an edit button for logged-out users that links to the login page? Is there a bug tracker to file suggestions like that
2012-10-08 16:51:01 Osmose1000: ?
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2012-10-08 16:51:25 komoroske: Osmose1000: There is: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 16:51:33 Osmose1000: komoroske: Awesome, thanks!
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2012-10-08 16:52:05 chrismills: Osmose see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs for a guide to filing and fixing bugs
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2012-10-08 16:53:58 Osmose1000: chrismills: Cool, thanks! Filing as we speak.
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2012-10-08 16:54:24 tmh_: hello
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2012-10-08 16:57:00 gggg: Does anyone know if apple is "really" contributing to this project?
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2012-10-08 16:57:14 shepazu: this is a chat channel for webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 16:58:00 shepazu: gggg: yes, I can confirm that I've been working with folks from apple on this project :)
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2012-10-08 16:58:39 thota: chat room for web devs
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2012-10-08 16:58:48 gggg: @shepazu oh, quite a surprise, thanks.
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2012-10-08 17:01:57 cmills: Derpinstein: hi ;-)
2012-10-08 17:02:02 Derpinstein: hai
2012-10-08 17:02:15 asfg: hi
2012-10-08 17:02:27 Derpinstein: This place looks very familiar.
2012-10-08 17:02:45 jkomoros: Derpinstein: Oh yeah?
2012-10-08 17:02:47 asfg: irc for  life?
2012-10-08 17:02:48 cmills: Any questions, please go ahead and ask. Me and several other webplatform.org team members will be around
2012-10-08 17:03:07 Derpinstein: jkomoros: indeed, looks like my IRC channel, haha.
2012-10-08 17:03:13 asfg: what is the purpose of this site exactly]
2012-10-08 17:03:33 jkomoros: asfg: Our goal is to make this into _the_ definitive source of documentation for web developers
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2012-10-08 17:03:41 jkomoros: but we're going to need a lot of help to do that. :-)
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2012-10-08 17:04:11 EGreg: okay guys
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2012-10-08 17:04:12 EGreg: talk to you later.
2012-10-08 17:04:14 EGreg: good luck!
2012-10-08 17:04:18 cmills: bye!
2012-10-08 17:04:22 jkomoros: EGreg: Hope to see you again in here
2012-10-08 17:04:22 Killswitch: That's better
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2012-10-08 17:04:31 jkomoros: We can use your help. :-)
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2012-10-08 17:04:38 lazugod: presumably it's like diveintohtml5, but more editable and less abandonable
2012-10-08 17:04:49 Killswitch: Okay, can I get some info about this place? The site doesn't give much ofa hint
2012-10-08 17:04:54 cmills: lazugod yup ;-) lol
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2012-10-08 17:05:04 jkomoros: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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2012-10-08 17:05:27 Killswitch: So basically you guys are just building a web based wiki?
2012-10-08 17:05:43 jkomoros: Killswitch: Well, that makes it sound almost easy… :-)
2012-10-08 17:05:50 Killswitch: ;)
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2012-10-08 17:06:10 jkomoros: Killswitch: But seriously, we have a lot of work to do to make this the definitive source of documentation for web developers
2012-10-08 17:06:17 cmills: Killswitch. At the moment what we have is a huge amount of web developer documentation - tutorials, reference material, etc., donated by all the founding companies. But it's in a rough state. What we want to do is turn it into an awesome resource with the help of the community
2012-10-08 17:06:18 jkomoros: and we're looking for all the help we can get.
2012-10-08 17:06:30 Killswitch: Nice.
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2012-10-08 17:06:59 IanJ_: Wow, lots of people on this channel. My IRC client is leaning slightly to the right due to length of list of people on the channel....
2012-10-08 17:07:18 cmills: we wanted to release it once it was browsable, so people can start to get an idea
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2012-10-08 17:08:19 upon: what`s this?
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2012-10-08 17:08:40 jkomoros: upon: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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2012-10-08 17:11:24 ryanneufeld: Is anyone else concerned that this project has a chance to be neglected?
2012-10-08 17:11:43 jkomoros: ryanneufeld: A bunch of us are _actively_ investing in it
2012-10-08 17:11:49 hemanth paws hard at nigguh 
2012-10-08 17:12:03 jkomoros: And we're going to be actively working to help develop the community with hackathons, etc
2012-10-08 17:12:12 ryanneufeld: don't get me wrong, I think it's a fantastic ide
2012-10-08 17:12:26 shepazu: ryanneufeld: I won't be abandoning it :)
2012-10-08 17:12:29 ryanneufeld: but when Mox/MS both will likely maintain their own set of docs as well
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2012-10-08 17:12:49 tsinghtao: .. i would think that anything has the possibility of being neglected. its the community that supports it that makes the difference
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2012-10-08 17:13:26 shepazu: tsinghtao: yeah, we need the community to help, but we're in it for the long haul
2012-10-08 17:13:29 tsinghtao: something like this chat, being able to interactively communicate could be important
2012-10-08 17:13:33 jkomoros: ryanneufeld: Both Mozilla and Microsoft are actively involved in this project
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2012-10-08 17:13:58 ryanneufeld: jkomoros: I'm aware of that
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2012-10-08 17:14:48 ryanneufeld: my biggest concern (and don't get me wrong I really really want to be excited about this) is that all involved are going to maintain their ends as well, It wouldn't be hard for them to be out of sync.
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2012-10-08 17:15:16 jkomoros: ryanneufeld: What I'm so impressed by is how many of the organizations participating are investing in the site on an ongoing basis
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2012-10-08 17:15:48 ryanneufeld: jkomoros: is there a way the public can see those contribs?
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2012-10-08 17:16:00 cmills: ryanneufeld a lot of the companies involved are shifting their focus, and so contributing a lot of material to here instead of their own resources. To compete against themselves, as it were, would be counter-productive
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2012-10-08 17:16:10 jkomoros: ryanneufeld: All of the commit logs are public
2012-10-08 17:16:20 jkomoros: and most folks have listed their organizational affiliation on their user page
2012-10-08 17:16:20 Srinivas: Glad that there is one platform for webplatform learning.
2012-10-08 17:16:59 cmills: Srinivas - that's the idea - help us make it happen! ;-)
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2012-10-08 17:17:35 ryanneufeld: honestly anything is better than w3chools
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2012-10-08 17:18:15 achshar: hello?
2012-10-08 17:18:25 cmills: achshar: hi ;-)
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2012-10-08 17:18:38 achshar: I cant get email confirmation email :(
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2012-10-08 17:18:51 jkomoros: achshar: The site is under heavy load at the moment, as you might imagine
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2012-10-08 17:18:56 jkomoros: hopefully you'll get it soon
2012-10-08 17:18:57 shepazu: achshar: did you check your spam filter?
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2012-10-08 17:19:12 achshar: yup cghecked spam :)
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2012-10-08 17:19:22 achshar: Thanks!
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2012-10-08 17:19:27 shepazu: hmm, let me look into it :)
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2012-10-08 17:20:41 rigo: this website is cool
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2012-10-08 17:20:50 jkomoros: rigo: Thanks, we think so too. :-)
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2012-10-08 17:21:20 YsenGrimm: works quite well on tablets:-D
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2012-10-08 17:21:35 rigo: I will be spending hours checking out the docs section, I already learned how to better define closures in javascript!
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2012-10-08 17:22:38 shepazu: YsenGrimm: needs a bit of work on most mobiles, but thanks for the positive report!
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2012-10-08 17:26:47 ble: fucking users online
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2012-10-08 17:27:22 Yiwewe: but why?
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2012-10-08 17:28:35 test_: ;)
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2012-10-08 17:29:04 Tim___: I just slapped myself
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2012-10-08 17:29:20 sam__: Excited to have this platform. Seems to be crude for now
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2012-10-08 17:29:27 CharlieL: where  are you , gays?
2012-10-08 17:29:28 Tim___: Hahahaha
2012-10-08 17:29:31 jkomoros: sam__: Yep, we know it's crude
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2012-10-08 17:29:44 Yiwewe: why another IRC?
2012-10-08 17:29:44 jkomoros: sam__: We wanted to open it as soon as possible so the community could help us shape it
2012-10-08 17:29:52 Yiwewe: Shape what?
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2012-10-08 17:29:59 jkomoros: Yiwewe: The community
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2012-10-08 17:30:04 jkomoros: sorry, I mean the site
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2012-10-08 17:30:08 sam__: But i'm think it can go a long way jkomoros in helping newcomers to web dev. There
2012-10-08 17:30:17 Yiwewe: which site your highness?
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2012-10-08 17:30:41 hanprat: wow this is cool
2012-10-08 17:30:46 sam__: There's a slew of blogs each wth varying opinions and implementations. Not so friendly for the next gen of developers who will take the stick after us
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2012-10-08 17:35:25 webtunings: hello everybody
2012-10-08 17:36:15 BlueScreenJunky: Hi there !
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2012-10-08 17:36:25 Yiwewe: i don't think they made webplatform for this?
2012-10-08 17:36:27 Yiwewe: did they?
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2012-10-08 17:37:43 xyz_ak: does webplatform.org have a twitter handle?
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2012-10-08 17:37:49 SoulMan_: Hey All
2012-10-08 17:37:53 cmills: @webplatform
2012-10-08 17:38:04 xyz_ak: thanks
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2012-10-08 17:38:38 webtunings: look into my javascript youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQw6R3B2BPb3ObU1NuwAObToFbbV4s_Ik
2012-10-08 17:38:43 SoulMan_: foobar_: Whats up
2012-10-08 17:38:52 webtunings: hi cmills
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2012-10-08 17:39:36 cmills: hey there. Any questions about the site? any first impressions to share? We are interested in hearing people's views!
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2012-10-08 17:40:44 inn: what is it??
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2012-10-08 17:41:14 BaconJuice: Hello!
2012-10-08 17:41:34 tsinghtao: cmills i do like the concept. i was a little lost in the home page.. I got here and now what.
2012-10-08 17:41:37 quoo: What is the goal of the forum section? It seems to be largely test questions at the moment.
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2012-10-08 17:41:57 cmills: a web development documentation site, with seed content from Opera, MS, Goog, Moz, Adobe and others
2012-10-08 17:41:58 tsinghtao: I got here and this site starts with me.. ok so what do i do
2012-10-08 17:42:18 inn be happy
2012-10-08 17:42:20 huh_: is this site basically just a (much-needed) replacement for W3Schools?
2012-10-08 17:42:26 cmills: Andyone in the world can contribute to help improve the content
2012-10-08 17:42:28 huh_: because if it is, bravo.
2012-10-08 17:42:29 tsinghtao: just some thoughts. once i was poking around it seems to make more sense
2012-10-08 17:42:32 cmills: Anyone*
2012-10-08 17:42:37 webtunings: i like this site and i was waiting somelthing like this from long time :)
2012-10-08 17:42:39 jayeb: MDC is the much-needed replacement for W3Schools
2012-10-08 17:42:43 webtunings: good work
2012-10-08 17:43:11 jayeb: i'm curious to know which groups (other than google) are involved here
2012-10-08 17:43:18 YsenGrimm_: cmills: is it possible to add translatios or translate topics?
2012-10-08 17:43:19 cmills: we know there are similarities with MDC and other resources, but we are hoping that this will turn into something more powerful, and more neutral
2012-10-08 17:43:27 IanJ_: -> press release http://www.w3.org/2012/10/webplatform.html.en
2012-10-08 17:43:38 jayeb: does MDC have issues with neutrality? :O
2012-10-08 17:43:44 inn: welcome to the new Bible of the web developers :)
2012-10-08 17:43:46 IanJ_: -> full list of stewards http://webplatform.org/stewards/
2012-10-08 17:43:54 cmills: YsenGrimm_: translations. Not yet, but we do have this on the roadmap for future additions
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2012-10-08 17:44:16 jayeb: looks like a solid list
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2012-10-08 17:44:41 YsenGrimm_: cmills: *nice
2012-10-08 17:44:43 cmills: tsinghtao: which landing page are you saying is a bit unclear, in terms of purpose? webplatform.org, or docs.webplatform.org/wiki?
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2012-10-08 17:44:46 cmills: or both?
2012-10-08 17:44:52 cmills: We can certainly work to improve that
2012-10-08 17:44:54 tsinghtao: webplatform.org
2012-10-08 17:44:58 huh_: what role will Adobe be taking?
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2012-10-08 17:45:33 tsinghtao: and it is possible that the 2 pages as a home page is also a usability hurdle
2012-10-08 17:45:37 jayeb: ohhh, i landed directly on the wiki homepage. confusing
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2012-10-08 17:46:09 elduderino: hello
2012-10-08 17:46:13 cmills: jayeb: MDN does a great job of presenting a non-biased resource, but all single vendor resources will have a certain amount of bias and self interest. Because we are all working on this one together, I think it will do a better job
2012-10-08 17:46:14 tracko: adobe is up with phonegap, so they have a role talking about html5 css js
2012-10-08 17:46:15 elduderino: whats up?
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2012-10-08 17:46:48 jayeb: @cmills gotcha--sounds good to me!
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2012-10-08 17:47:06 cmills: tsinghtao: yeah. The webplatform.org page is supposed to be the overall home page, whereas the other one is the landing page for the docs wiki.
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2012-10-08 17:47:19 webtunings: what about moderators for forum post like stackoverflow? i see so may non technical posts
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2012-10-08 17:47:50 cmills: tsinghtao: at the moment, it doesn't appear to be much difference, as the wiki is all there really is. But once more people start using the forums, and more features are added, it will become clearer
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2012-10-08 17:48:15 cmills: xyz_ak - there is actually. For example, there is a CSS level 4 selectors draft, and a CSS4 media queries draft
2012-10-08 17:48:27 cmills: but that is currently really future stuff
2012-10-08 17:48:38 cmills: we will document it all eventually
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2012-10-08 17:48:44 cmills: but we have bigger fish to fry right now ;-)
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2012-10-08 17:49:21 h_fddfd: whats channel name is this
2012-10-08 17:49:28 overra: #webplatform
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2012-10-08 17:49:42 cmills: web tunings we are aiming to have different contributors actively moderating the forums, to cut down on noise
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2012-10-08 17:50:02 cmills: tracko - like … all the CSS3 stuff, which has better browser support right now ;-)
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2012-10-08 17:50:21 cinch-: hello google, hello nokia et al ;)
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2012-10-08 17:50:34 cmills: Any more questions I've missed? Traffic is coming thick and fast right now ;-)
2012-10-08 17:50:35 cinch-: where's the beef? :P
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2012-10-08 17:50:40 cmills: cinch-: hi ;-)
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2012-10-08 17:51:09 regi: whatsup?
2012-10-08 17:51:14 saurabh: just joined on Web platform
2012-10-08 17:51:19 tsinghtao: on the chat page. I would suggest mentioning that the channel is on FreeNode and #webplatform . i just reloaded the page and watched the login to see that info.
2012-10-08 17:51:25 cinch-: first impression of the website on android smartphone: sucks. make a mobile template and redirect.
2012-10-08 17:51:29 cinch-: 2cents
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2012-10-08 17:51:58 cinch-: tsclausing, same, i just asked in here the channel name
2012-10-08 17:51:59 tsinghtao: i tend to kill the browser process when debugging
2012-10-08 17:52:05 cinch-: and found out on HN its freenode
2012-10-08 17:52:05 cmills: This aims to be the definitive web development documentation site, with support from all the major browser vendors, and more besides
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2012-10-08 17:52:26 cinch-: cmills, great
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2012-10-08 17:52:29 cmills: cinch-: we know the mobile layout sucks right now; we are working on it ;-)
2012-10-08 17:52:33 oliland: kinda wish they used stackexchange
2012-10-08 17:52:40 cinch-: cmills, good to know, alot of visitors hitting it now
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2012-10-08 17:52:57 cmills: comments noted about the IRC - thanks guys.
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2012-10-08 17:53:03 cinch-: ^^
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2012-10-08 17:53:38 cinch-: standards are good and all, but they need to be implemented on mobile browsers too, they're lagging behind atm
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2012-10-08 17:54:25 cinch-: and speaking of implementation: http://caniuse.com/
2012-10-08 17:54:32 cinch-: that site is the definite reference
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2012-10-08 17:55:10 cmills: cinch-: yup, that's the definitive site for cross browser support info, but we do a bunch of other stuff besides
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2012-10-08 17:55:48 gengkev: so mdn, html5rocks, etc will still exist?
2012-10-08 17:55:50 cinch-: cmills, a bit task is trying to define what should NOT be covered by HTML5 etc
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2012-10-08 17:55:57 cinch-: big task*
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2012-10-08 17:56:10 MrSpock: there
2012-10-08 17:56:12 cinch-: hi
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2012-10-08 17:56:42 cinch-: i mean as in use cases: certain tasks are simply not suited for web dev
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2012-10-08 17:56:58 bigthyme: hello
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2012-10-08 17:57:03 cmills: cinch-: ah, you mean "what should HTML5 be used to build" ?
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2012-10-08 17:57:42 cinch-: that touches on API's that reach into the host OS
2012-10-08 17:57:48 _07: web for sure.
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2012-10-08 17:58:05 cinch-: gopher ftw
2012-10-08 17:58:07 cmills: cinch: We will certainly do all we can to try to present sensible use cases for the technology we document, and not try to present them as magic bullets. Pragmatism is the watch word
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2012-10-08 18:01:33 Tasos: Good evening
2012-10-08 18:01:33 leaverou: :)
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2012-10-08 18:02:26 apnerve: @leaverou Firstly, (belated)Congrats for becoming a part of W3C
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2012-10-08 18:02:37 leaverou: apnerve: thank you!
2012-10-08 18:02:38 cmills: apnerve movethewebforward is gonna run alongside this nicely.
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2012-10-08 18:03:48 cmills: cinch - it sure will. Even if the worst happens, at least we tried ;-)
2012-10-08 18:03:48 shwetank: it should ... will need the involvement of everyone
2012-10-08 18:04:02 cmills: cinch - we already have come to agreement
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2012-10-08 18:04:08 moek: :)
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2012-10-08 18:04:20 cinch-: cmills, i mean in terms of where the web will go from now
2012-10-08 18:04:25 cmills: we are all providing finds and personnel to power this thing
2012-10-08 18:04:30 cinch-: sounds good :)
2012-10-08 18:04:30 cmills: cinch - oh, i getcha
2012-10-08 18:04:40 cmills: yeah.
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2012-10-08 18:05:02 cmills: cinch but i think this will be a good tool to get us reaching an agreement.
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2012-10-08 18:05:15 cinch-: theres silverlight, flash, html5, javascript, native extensions, webgl, the IE fiasco, standard libraries, etc to be settled
2012-10-08 18:05:28 hello: The popup on the home-page could be a little slower in opening and closing /s
2012-10-08 18:05:29 njsathya: congrats to all involved in creating this magic
2012-10-08 18:05:43 cmills: cinch if we have already agreed to work together on documenting the standard for web development, we will look rather stupid if we then diverge massively ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:06:10 shwetank: cmills - why wern't you in the video? :P
2012-10-08 18:06:13 cinch-: cmills, so its about agreeing on standard apis mostly?
2012-10-08 18:06:14 Wilto: Twenty people have probably asked this already, but is the front-end gonna be up on GitHub anytime soon?
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2012-10-08 18:07:07 ocelot: hi all
2012-10-08 18:07:23 hello: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwebplatform.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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2012-10-08 18:07:41 cmills: Wilto - that's a damn good idea. I'll make sure to carry the suggestion forward to the rest of the stewards
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2012-10-08 18:08:02 SBelyea: @cmills - thanks for getting this site up and running.  Is Apple actually a member of this?
2012-10-08 18:08:03 cinch-: can anybody edit the wiki? or just approved members?
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2012-10-08 18:08:23 leaverou: SBelyea: yes they are
2012-10-08 18:08:24 cmills: cinch - anyone. You just need to create an account
2012-10-08 18:08:31 cinch-: ok
2012-10-08 18:08:39 cmills: hello - yeah yeah, we know ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:08:44 cinch-: and the W3C are the "admins" afaik
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2012-10-08 18:08:56 hello: :)
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2012-10-08 18:09:02 SBelyea: Thanks Lea.  Was concerned when the link to them didn't resolve to an Apple specific page. :-)
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2012-10-08 18:09:13 cinch-: Classic indeed
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2012-10-08 18:10:47 cinch-: cmills, what's your involvement in the project?
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2012-10-08 18:11:45 cmills: cinch Opera are one of the webplatform.org stewards - I'm their representative on the project
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2012-10-08 18:11:52 cinch-: oh gosh, i remember the web in the year 1998
2012-10-08 18:11:59 cmills: cinch I'm also one of the content leads for the project
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2012-10-08 18:12:09 cinch-: cmills, oh so you're with Opera neat
2012-10-08 18:12:16 cmills: Yup ;-)
2012-10-08 18:12:17 rwe: hi
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2012-10-08 18:12:32 cinch-: cmills, the guys who maid tabs go mainstream :)
2012-10-08 18:12:34 schalkneethling: cmills: ping
2012-10-08 18:12:36 cmills: hey rwe, how's it going?
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2012-10-08 18:12:45 cmills: schalkneethling: hey schalk!
2012-10-08 18:12:55 rwe: РУССКИЕ?
2012-10-08 18:12:57 rwe: ау
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2012-10-08 18:13:06 cinch-: cmills, i remember when opera fit on a 3,5" floppy disc :P
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2012-10-08 18:13:09 cinch-: good times
2012-10-08 18:13:09 MELIKA: Anyone having problem with receiving confirmation email?
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2012-10-08 18:13:13 cmills: cinch - tabs, speed dials, and native web apps ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:13:40 schalkneethling: cmills: so, I am getting some question over here at Moz, if someone writes new docs that go up on MDN, do they have to go and add it to webplatform as well or, do we have something set-up to continually pull new data from the partner sites?
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2012-10-08 18:13:53 rwe: --------------------------------------------------------------- ЕЕЕБАААТЬ =)
2012-10-08 18:13:55 cmills: MELIKA - you might need to wait for a bit - the site is slow currently, because of the crazy load on the site
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2012-10-08 18:14:01 rwe: ГЫЫЫЫЫ =))))
2012-10-08 18:14:08 genbit: :)
2012-10-08 18:14:10 cinch-: cmills, spin up some amazon instances!!! ;P
2012-10-08 18:14:12 yanokun: hi all
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2012-10-08 18:14:15 cf: anyone have some amazing link how teach me how to use django amazingly and easy.. already know python..
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2012-10-08 18:14:25 cinch-: cf, no
2012-10-08 18:14:26 cf: ?
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2012-10-08 18:14:28 rwe: HABRAHABR.RU =))))
2012-10-08 18:14:36 schalkneethling: cf: the django docs are pretty sweet itself
2012-10-08 18:14:43 YsenGrimm: cf: the django docs?
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2012-10-08 18:14:48 cf: no one uses django here?
2012-10-08 18:14:53 cinch-: cf, no
2012-10-08 18:14:55 genbit: django docs
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2012-10-08 18:15:24 Osmose1000: cf: Well, there are people here who use django, but webplatform.org doesn't AFAIK
2012-10-08 18:15:26 cmills: schalkneethling: I'd talk to Janet and sheppy about that. From my point of view, it'd be better to have the main version on webplatform, but I don't work for Moz ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:15:33 cinch-: cue standardization of a django API for all browsers :)
2012-10-08 18:15:42 schalkneethling: cf: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/intro/tutorial01/
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2012-10-08 18:16:22 Osmose1000: cmills: Given that they just released a new version of MDN after more than a year in the making, I doubt that'll go over well. :P
2012-10-08 18:16:23 schalkneethling: cmills: ;)
2012-10-08 18:16:23 cinch-: cmills, any idea why opera doesnt go open source?
2012-10-08 18:16:42 schalkneethling: cmills: I will follow up with them.
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2012-10-08 18:17:11 cmills: cinch-: several reasons, but the main reasons really are pissing off investors, and annoying existing customers
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2012-10-08 18:17:19 cinch-: cmills, icic :(
2012-10-08 18:17:27 cmills: cinch - it's quite hard to get out of that spiral when you're on it
2012-10-08 18:17:28 cinch-: cmills, hopefully one day..
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2012-10-08 18:18:19 cinch-: the #1 innovative browser :P
2012-10-08 18:18:22 Osmose1000: If you listen closely, you can hear all the Mozilla devs in the room holding their tongues. :P
2012-10-08 18:18:27 cinch-: lol
2012-10-08 18:18:28 cmills: cinch in da house ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:19:34 Osmose1000: Heh
2012-10-08 18:19:38 YsenGrimm: the only reason for using firefox is the gread adblock addon :D
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2012-10-08 18:19:52 cinch-: YsenGrimm, chrome has adblock+ in beta
2012-10-08 18:19:57 cinch-: FYI
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2012-10-08 18:20:00 cmills: You may have used Firebug too ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:20:42 cinch-: checkerouter, yes!!!
2012-10-08 18:20:44 cinch-: IE6
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2012-10-08 18:21:04 Osmose1000: I have a feeling that within a few weeks there will be a channel policy to avoid which-browser-is-best discussions.
2012-10-08 18:21:07 cinch-: lets standardize on IE6
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2012-10-08 18:21:07 checkerouter: all this fighting makes baby $DEITY cry
2012-10-08 18:21:29 cmills: Osmose1000: I enjoy the sport. We could sell tickets for this stuff.
2012-10-08 18:21:46 YsenGrimm: is webplatform.org ie6 compatible?
2012-10-08 18:21:46 cinch-: Osmose1000, freenode needs a browser flamewar place though
2012-10-08 18:21:51 checkerouter: after that, let's do which editor/IDE is best!
2012-10-08 18:21:54 cinch-: YsenGrimm, it better be
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2012-10-08 18:22:45 checkerouter: also, I've heard coffeescript is for hipsters and Dart is DOA!
2012-10-08 18:22:46 cmills: Osmose1000: I would tell you, but then I'd have to start charging you a consultancy fee… ;-)
2012-10-08 18:22:52 Osmose1000: Heh
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2012-10-08 18:23:09 cinch-: webdev: testing websites in IE: http://netrenderer.com/
2012-10-08 18:23:15 cinch-: for those who cant get enough of IE!!!
2012-10-08 18:23:20 shepazu: Mosaic is the best browser!
2012-10-08 18:23:28 YsenGrimm: checcheckerouter: i heard all web developers use osx?
2012-10-08 18:23:30 robertochiaveri: hello there
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2012-10-08 18:23:36 checkerouter: then NextOS is the best OS
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2012-10-08 18:23:51 checkerouter: oh wait, it actually is!
2012-10-08 18:23:53 cinch-:  telnet is all you need.
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2012-10-08 18:24:00 shepazu: checkerouter: you're insane, BeOS is clearly the superior OS
2012-10-08 18:24:12 cinch-: cmills, the site is ugly in IE6 :( http://netrenderer.com/
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2012-10-08 18:25:41 YsenGrimm: huh webplatform.org looks better on ie5.5 than on ie6 :D
2012-10-08 18:25:44 msch: hi, so is webplatform just a import of the MDN wiki?
2012-10-08 18:25:57 checkerouter: hah
2012-10-08 18:26:02 checkerouter: if only!
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2012-10-08 18:26:59 checkerouter: it's a brand new wiki about to be filled with much of the information already in the MDN wiki but written anew!
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2012-10-08 18:28:05 checkerouter: and new is good because as long as it's new we can all imagine that this 42nd attempt to document the web will finally be all that
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2012-10-08 18:28:38 cinch-: what was the question? ;)
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2012-10-08 18:29:10 cinch-: comparing to native
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2012-10-08 18:29:20 cinch-: in terms of features and power
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2012-10-08 18:29:32 plopez: hola cual es son los beneficios de esta web, ?
2012-10-08 18:29:34 cinch-: YMMV
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2012-10-08 18:29:39 lucisferre: I'm presuming confirmation e-mails are going out a little slow right now?
2012-10-08 18:29:40 Munter: cinch-: How about the 90% of apps that just show you data from a database?
2012-10-08 18:29:43 checkerouter: the gap has been closing rapidly though
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2012-10-08 18:29:50 oliland: cinch-: no plans to move to stackexchange?
2012-10-08 18:29:54 cinch-: Munter, "show" yes, but not for serious data entry
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2012-10-08 18:30:04 emre: hey
2012-10-08 18:30:06 cinch-: oliland, i dont represent this initiative
2012-10-08 18:30:07 Munter: cinch-: yet...
2012-10-08 18:30:09 wii: hola
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2012-10-08 18:30:21 oliland: sorry, got the wrong idea then
2012-10-08 18:30:25 cinch-: Munter, i work for a company that does 90% data entry......
2012-10-08 18:30:29 cinch-: no plans on moving to the web
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2012-10-08 18:30:40 wii: respondo preguntas
2012-10-08 18:30:44 AskMP: It looks like there is still a lot to do on the site…
2012-10-08 18:30:47 cinch-: english please
2012-10-08 18:30:48 checkerouter: -ELANG
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2012-10-08 18:30:51 AskMP: Cookies are really messed up
2012-10-08 18:30:51 jayflux_: Heyo
2012-10-08 18:30:55 AskMP: It keeps logging me out.
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2012-10-08 18:31:16 cmills: Hey all,
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2012-10-08 18:31:34 plopez: what information incluye in the page?
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2012-10-08 18:31:47 cmills: I really have to go now, as it is getting late in the UK! But I'll be back again tomorrow to answer more of your questions about webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 18:31:53 cmills: ttfn
2012-10-08 18:31:57 cmills: part
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2012-10-08 18:32:09 devmx: hello
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2012-10-08 18:32:25 devmx: hola alguien habla español?
2012-10-08 18:32:27 plopez: como se usa este
2012-10-08 18:32:33 ghbrett: Is there a topic going on today?
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2012-10-08 18:32:41 Jayflux: ah a competitor to #web i see
2012-10-08 18:32:47 devmx: hola plopez
2012-10-08 18:32:52 plopez: si hay algún tema hoy
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2012-10-08 18:32:57 ghbrett: oh, hello from northern virginia, usa
2012-10-08 18:33:04 plopez: hola devmx
2012-10-08 18:33:08 checkerouter: Wir sollten schon alle bei einer Sprache bleiben...
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2012-10-08 18:33:14 cinch-: cmills has left the building
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2012-10-08 18:33:20 cinch-: we need a new moderator
2012-10-08 18:33:25 devmx: saludos desde aguascalientes mexico.....
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2012-10-08 18:33:36 cinch-: devmx, english please :)
2012-10-08 18:33:38 ghbrett: wie gehts
2012-10-08 18:33:39 Jayflux: cinch- why?
2012-10-08 18:33:42 plopez: que tal hola desde lima peru
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2012-10-08 18:33:51 cinch-: Jayflux, he was leading the crowd
2012-10-08 18:34:00 cinch-: Jayflux, directing it appropiately
2012-10-08 18:34:07 cinch-: ghbrett, gut danke
2012-10-08 18:34:12 Jayflux: who's he, I don't know who you're talking about
2012-10-08 18:34:12 plopez: hay algun tema en discusion?
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2012-10-08 18:34:23 cinch-: Jayflux, cmills the representative of Opera
2012-10-08 18:34:26 YsenGrimm: checkerouter: das finde ich aber auch!
2012-10-08 18:34:26 devmx: lo siendo no manejo muy bien el ingles...
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2012-10-08 18:34:37 Jayflux: cinch- where's he gone now
2012-10-08 18:34:41 ghbrett: moderating 7x24 & 365 days is hard to do
2012-10-08 18:34:45 cinch-: Jayflux, scroll up, he went sleeping
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2012-10-08 18:34:55 cinch-: Jayflux, are you involved in the project?
2012-10-08 18:34:58 io slaps devongovett around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 18:35:11 checkerouter: well, more like gone home, it'S 19:34 where he's at ;)
2012-10-08 18:35:17 ghbrett: I'll check back in later, vieder schone
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2012-10-08 18:35:34 cinch-: <cmills> I really have to go now, as it is getting late in the UK! But I'll be back again tomorrow to answer more of your questions about webplatform.org
2012-10-08 18:35:36 Jayflux: cinch- im a founder of #web. I came here out of interest.
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2012-10-08 18:35:44 cinch-: true, its not late in the UK ;)
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2012-10-08 18:35:48 plopez: yo tambien ya rereso porque tengo otras cosas pendientes, jejejej, :)
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2012-10-08 18:35:57 cinch-: Jayflux, whats your involvement in the web?
2012-10-08 18:35:57 checkerouter: just late to still be at work :)
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2012-10-08 18:36:21 cinch-: checkerouter, those people get paid by the hour ;)
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2012-10-08 18:36:25 Jayflux: cinch- im just a developer at the moment
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2012-10-08 18:36:30 devmx: adios/bye suerte con el proyecto....
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2012-10-08 18:36:40 cinch-: Jayflux, i'm currently deploying a CMS for our website
2012-10-08 18:36:43 cinch-: and adjusting templates
2012-10-08 18:36:48 cinch-: dotCMS btw!
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2012-10-08 18:36:50 cinch-: its neat
2012-10-08 18:36:50 Jayflux: whats this project all about then
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2012-10-08 18:37:12 cinch-: Jayflux, its about big companies "getting together in bed" (not gay)
2012-10-08 18:37:13 checkerouter: Jayflux: webplatform.org
2012-10-08 18:37:24 cinch-: Jayflux, and "documenting" best practices for web development
2012-10-08 18:37:29 checkerouter: the one thing that already is there is a kind of mission statement :)
2012-10-08 18:37:30 cinch-: alot is about documentation
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2012-10-08 18:37:51 cinch-: aka: whats the best way to upload files in html via js
2012-10-08 18:37:53 jkomoros: Jayflux: Check out http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-08 18:38:09 Ryan_Lane: anyone still having edit issues with regards to sessions?
2012-10-08 18:38:13 cinch-: and its a wiki for anyone to edit
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2012-10-08 18:38:50 cinch-: the interesting thing is the involvement of these big companies
2012-10-08 18:39:05 cinch-: like they're going to magically come to an agreement on best practices
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2012-10-08 18:39:19 Jayflux: like how they agree on video codecs?
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2012-10-08 18:39:23 cinch-: in terms of APIs and browser support
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2012-10-08 18:39:33 cinch-: Jayflux, exactly
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2012-10-08 18:39:57 cinch-: i wonder how far they'll come
2012-10-08 18:39:58 Munter: I bet if noone does anything about it they will agree quicker
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2012-10-08 18:40:06 cinch-: because each browser is very unique
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2012-10-08 18:40:10 _ds4fe: part
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2012-10-08 18:40:12 jkomoros: cinch-: I think we've already come a long way getting to this point
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2012-10-08 18:40:30 cinch-: jkomoros, yes
2012-10-08 18:40:35 jkomoros: and although every browser may be unique, it's still very possible to document it well. See Mozilla Developer Network for a very good example
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2012-10-08 18:40:47 cinch-: fast forward after the netscape/IE/mozilla wars
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2012-10-08 18:40:53 tyburg: not gonna lie, it feels like this could be the justice league of the web
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2012-10-08 18:41:18 jkomoros: tyburg: :-)
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2012-10-08 18:41:32 cinch-: hi krit
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2012-10-08 18:41:56 krit: hi cinch-
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2012-10-08 18:42:04 cinch-: jkomoros, documentation is only %20 of the effort
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2012-10-08 18:42:14 lulzplzkthx: I need to get a join/part remover for this channel.
2012-10-08 18:42:32 Munter: lulzplzkthx: your irc client probably has an ignore function
2012-10-08 18:42:40 lulzplzkthx: It does.
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2012-10-08 18:42:47 Munter: Well there you go
2012-10-08 18:42:50 cinch-: actually agreeing on common standards will be way more difficult, just look at browser video codecs
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2012-10-08 18:42:59 fahad_: hi
2012-10-08 18:43:01 checkerouter:  /ignore #webplatform JOINS PARTS QUITS
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2012-10-08 18:43:04 checkerouter: for irssi
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2012-10-08 18:43:07 Gaandu: Hello All Gaandu here
2012-10-08 18:43:09 Wilto: You’re tellin’ me, cinch-.
2012-10-08 18:43:19 kapongpang: Hello
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2012-10-08 18:43:30 Gaandu: Why are we all here ?
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2012-10-08 18:43:38 fahad_: so what is the topic
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2012-10-08 18:43:51 grepper_: hello
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2012-10-08 18:44:04 kapongpang: sorry
2012-10-08 18:44:04 cinch-: whats the status of WebGL?
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2012-10-08 18:44:15 Gaandu: Isn't that Down ?
2012-10-08 18:44:24 Gaandu: AWS Crashed as well
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2012-10-08 18:44:35 Gaandu: at lease some nodes of AWS
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2012-10-08 18:44:56 Jayflux: cinch- well ill put myself forward xD
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2012-10-08 18:45:05 Gaandu: bye..
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2012-10-08 18:45:11 grepper_: great idea but sparce execution
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2012-10-08 18:45:23 jkomoros: grepper_: Yep, it's very early
2012-10-08 18:45:24 zsart: Whats going on guys
2012-10-08 18:45:32 cinch-: zsart, nothing
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2012-10-08 18:45:34 jkomoros: grepper_: We wanted to open it for community involvement as soon as we possibly could
2012-10-08 18:45:45 cinch-: zsart, its called standarization ;)
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2012-10-08 18:46:12 grepper_: wow i can actually WHOIS on nicknames.. cool
2012-10-08 18:46:20 cinch-: welcome to ircx
2012-10-08 18:46:23 villev_: is this a channel on freenode or...?
2012-10-08 18:46:23 cinch-: irc*
2012-10-08 18:46:26 frank___: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-08 18:46:28 cinch-: yes
2012-10-08 18:46:29 pdr: Good morning #webplatform!
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2012-10-08 18:46:37 cinch-: #webplatform
2012-10-08 18:46:41 sadovnychyi: test
2012-10-08 18:46:41 villev_: ack
2012-10-08 18:46:46 grepper_: ok bye
2012-10-08 18:46:48 Potrac: Hello all
2012-10-08 18:46:51 Osmose1000: "Leaving..."
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2012-10-08 18:46:54 Ryan_Lane: fixed robots.txt
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2012-10-08 18:47:09 cinch-: java was a good attempt at crossplatform browser plugins
2012-10-08 18:47:12 cinch-: where did it fail?
2012-10-08 18:47:35 cinch-: nevermind, we got better things to talk about
2012-10-08 18:47:39 pdr: cinch-: slow, security, not open source
2012-10-08 18:47:41 zsart: Haha
2012-10-08 18:47:48 cinch-: pdr, yep
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2012-10-08 18:47:56 YsenGrimm: cinch-: becaus java sucks?
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2012-10-08 18:48:01 cinch-: the future lies in javascript
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2012-10-08 18:48:34 checkerouter: no no, Dart!
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2012-10-08 18:48:46 cinch-: checkerouter, dart?
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2012-10-08 18:48:54 checkerouter: cinch-: Dart.
2012-10-08 18:48:59 cinch-: checkerouter, link please
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2012-10-08 18:49:13 cinch-: checkerouter, i've heard of DART, but also heard of many negatives about it.
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2012-10-08 18:49:17 checkerouter: cinch-: http://www.dartlang.org/
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2012-10-08 18:49:31 cinch-: checkerouter, better: http://www.rust-lang.org/ ?
2012-10-08 18:49:34 koolj: www.google.com
2012-10-08 18:49:34 checkerouter: cinch-: (</flamebait>)
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2012-10-08 18:49:52 cinch-: flamebait?
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2012-10-08 18:50:14 checkerouter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)
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2012-10-08 18:50:26 cinch-: okplaya, beep beep (road runner)
2012-10-08 18:50:27 YsenGrimm: blup?
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2012-10-08 18:50:42 NicoJuicy: great initiative from both sides btw :)
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2012-10-08 18:50:52 checkerouter: "both"? 8)
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2012-10-08 18:51:24 guy: is #webplatform at all interested in PHP side of things? or is it strictly JS, HTML, SVG.
2012-10-08 18:51:26 cinch-: checkerouter, do you think this new project can agree an dart as a common platform supported by all browsers?
2012-10-08 18:51:36 zMaz: Algum brasileiro aqui?
2012-10-08 18:51:40 checkerouter: guy: it's a front end development site
2012-10-08 18:51:45 cinch-: guy, we're interested in client/browser technologies, so no
2012-10-08 18:51:45 jkomoros: guy: We're focusing for now on frontend development
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2012-10-08 18:51:59 guy: Ok. Got it already. : )
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2012-10-08 18:52:16 cinch-: guy, PHP is backend server side code where it (doesnt) belong ;)
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2012-10-08 18:52:22 checkerouter: cinch-: I don't really think so, no. But I also think that if any language has a chance to get native support in major browsers (other than JS obviously) it's Dart atm
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2012-10-08 18:52:30 guy: Well, I am all in for it. Just had a new oss project on backend to advertise. Not a right place, though.
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2012-10-08 18:52:43 cinch-: checkerouter, then we should push for dart adaption?
2012-10-08 18:52:45 loktar: eh I dont see Dart ever getting huge
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2012-10-08 18:52:50 dave: hi
2012-10-08 18:52:50 loktar hopes not.
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2012-10-08 18:52:54 shepazu: guy: php already has great docs, but maybe an intro and links to other resources would be good
2012-10-08 18:52:56 checkerouter: cinch-: not sure
2012-10-08 18:52:58 guy: cinch-: "(doesnt) belong" apart from chitchatting, any good arguments for that?
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2012-10-08 18:53:02 Drawyan: typescript is getting attension
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2012-10-08 18:53:18 cinch-: guy, http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
2012-10-08 18:53:21 Guest92466: anybody go to jsconf?
2012-10-08 18:53:28 loktar: yeah honestly I could see typescript becomming bigger due to possible corporate adaption
2012-10-08 18:53:31 loktar: all those ms folks.
2012-10-08 18:53:37 cinch-: whatis typescript
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2012-10-08 18:53:45 hmmmm_: cinch-: you should check out the WAT presentation on JS ;-)
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2012-10-08 18:53:48 checkerouter: cinch-: I'm not a big fan of JS as a language but we could do much worse and I didn't do enough Dart to know if I like it better
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2012-10-08 18:53:58 Drawyan: it's a super set of javascript
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2012-10-08 18:54:06 Drawyan: developed within Microsoft
2012-10-08 18:54:10 cinch-: hmmmm_, link please :)
2012-10-08 18:54:18 checkerouter: yeah, JS has lots of dark corners as well, although probably not as many as PHP :P
2012-10-08 18:54:25 hmmmm_: cinch-: lemme check
2012-10-08 18:54:29 Drawyan: http://www.typescriptlang.org/
2012-10-08 18:54:34 etedj: Typescript adds strong typing, classes, inheritance, etc to Javascript
2012-10-08 18:54:52 cinch-: etedj, all uneeded OOP bloat
2012-10-08 18:54:54 cinch-: imho
2012-10-08 18:55:00 loktar: yeah typescript doesn't seem "too" bad actually
2012-10-08 18:55:03 loktar: at least its still js
2012-10-08 18:55:10 Drawyan: it's still js
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2012-10-08 18:55:43 cinch-: i'll be sticking to haskell until the web gets mature
2012-10-08 18:55:47 cinch-: or java
2012-10-08 18:55:47 etedj: All of that bloat goes away when you compile it. And it compiles down to clean, familiar JS patterns
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2012-10-08 18:55:55 checkerouter: it's like coffeescript, I really don't think JS is as bad a language that using another one that compiles to JS is justified
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2012-10-08 18:56:07 loktar: checkerouter: I agree
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2012-10-08 18:56:09 hmmm: cinch-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEgk1Hdze0
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2012-10-08 18:56:27 loktar: I think things like this do more to hinder js development rather than help it
2012-10-08 18:56:35 checkerouter: ACK
2012-10-08 18:56:36 loktar: lets "fix" js rather than coming up with tools to work around it
2012-10-08 18:56:39 cinch-: hmmm, thanks
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2012-10-08 18:56:45 guy: cinch-: That's the longest I will be reading so far. Though, the last three or so articles I've read through lacked authors knowledge of recent PHP developments, and pointed out absurd "design flaws". This is probably the most ignorant PHP "horrors" summary that comes to my mind, http://www.quora.com/PHP/What-are-the-horrors-of-PHP.
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2012-10-08 18:56:59 checkerouter: also: Lok'tar ogar
2012-10-08 18:57:02 loktar: :P
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2012-10-08 18:57:23 cinch-: guy, FYI im not opposed of PHP, just my empoyer and many others are :(
2012-10-08 18:57:29 cinch-: guy, for what i care: use php :)
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2012-10-08 18:57:58 cinch-: i got php running on my blog
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2012-10-08 18:58:08 loktar: cinch-: what does youre employer make you use?
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2012-10-08 18:58:13 loktar: *your
2012-10-08 18:58:18 kacxdak: so how does one contribute to this?
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2012-10-08 18:58:21 cinch-: loktar, anything but PHP: java etc
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2012-10-08 18:58:26 loktar: lol nice
2012-10-08 18:58:30 checkerouter: kacxdak: just make an account and start editing!
2012-10-08 18:58:30 loktar: im stuck in .net :?
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2012-10-08 18:58:38 cinch-: kacxdak, its a free wiki, make an account
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2012-10-08 18:58:51 kacxdak: hmm, all right, sounds simple enough
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2012-10-08 18:59:13 cinch-: loktar, dotCMS for our website in java
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2012-10-08 18:59:47 checkerouter: I recently had several projects working with java CMS, I hated them all :(
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2012-10-08 18:59:59 cinch-: checkerouter, which cmsed?
2012-10-08 19:00:00 checkerouter: Magnolia, FirstSpirit, bah
2012-10-08 19:00:03 daemon: "Leaving"
2012-10-08 19:00:03 cinch-: cms'es*
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2012-10-08 19:00:07 cinch-: checkerouter, all sucks
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2012-10-08 19:00:16 cinch-: checkerouter, dotcms is like the only sane java CMS
2012-10-08 19:00:17 checkerouter: indeed
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2012-10-08 19:00:52 cinch-: checkerouter, i evaluated all java CMSes
2012-10-08 19:01:01 cinch-: in the end i recommended PHP
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2012-10-08 19:01:16 cinch-: but they rejected it
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2012-10-08 19:01:24 checkerouter: I've had to work with PHP CMS aswell and didn't like any of them either :(
2012-10-08 19:01:27 cinch-: "php is for noob" bunch of idiots
2012-10-08 19:01:34 hello: yo
2012-10-08 19:01:37 cinch-: checkerouter, which php cms
2012-10-08 19:01:45 cinch-: hello, yoyo
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2012-10-08 19:01:52 cinch-: hello, sup :P
2012-10-08 19:01:52 checkerouter: Typo3, Drupal and Joomla mostly
2012-10-08 19:01:56 SAT: Interesting forum
2012-10-08 19:01:57 cinch-: checkerouter, EW
2012-10-08 19:02:02 cinch-: checkerouter, run
2012-10-08 19:02:04 checkerouter: yeah, horrible
2012-10-08 19:02:06 Guest92466: ^_^
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2012-10-08 19:02:19 checkerouter: especially Typo3 I wouldn't touch again for all the money in the world
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2012-10-08 19:02:31 SAT: I am just lucky to be alive to see another inflection point  in tech
2012-10-08 19:02:31 daleharvey: good job on the launch, pretty excited about it
2012-10-08 19:02:31 Guest92466: so anybody used any mv* frameworks with JS?
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2012-10-08 19:02:39 hello: is websockects html5?
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2012-10-08 19:02:45 cinch-: checkerouter, dotCMS is the *only* CMS i can recommend, after trying literally hundreds
2012-10-08 19:02:51 daleharvey: hello: yes
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2012-10-08 19:03:01 cinch-: checkerouter, but concrete5 looks promising
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2012-10-08 19:03:05 daleharvey: Guest92466: do you mean like ember etc? if so, yes
2012-10-08 19:03:08 PKimConsulting: Drupal's not perfect, and it's API is aging, but it gets the job done, and the contrib module space is pretty healthy
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2012-10-08 19:03:35 cinch-: wait, we're getting offtopic
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2012-10-08 19:03:41 cinch-: this is about browsers
2012-10-08 19:03:42 dingdong: what's this
2012-10-08 19:03:43 daleharvey: you should make the web irc client give people silly usernames so they change them
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2012-10-08 19:03:48 cinch-: dingdong, idk
2012-10-08 19:03:50 dingdong: are there no other chans
2012-10-08 19:03:58 cinch-: daleharvey, yes
2012-10-08 19:03:58 checkerouter: cinch-: are you just talking from a frontend developer's view or are you also extending the backend?
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2012-10-08 19:04:09 cinch-: checkerouter, full stack
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2012-10-08 19:04:25 cinch-: checkerouter, admin, webdev, templates, user acceptability
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2012-10-08 19:04:47 morf: Hello!
2012-10-08 19:05:00 cinch-: checkerouter, and costs, it should be open source in its base form
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2012-10-08 19:05:08 cinch-: morf, hi :)
2012-10-08 19:05:09 buggy: hi
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2012-10-08 19:05:20 dingdong: dingdong
2012-10-08 19:05:22 checkerouter: cinch-: alright, thanks for the tip :)
2012-10-08 19:05:29 cinch-:  checkerouter you're welcome
2012-10-08 19:05:52 cinch-: checkerouter, just dont go the enterprise version, costs $5k per year, the open source verison is fine
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2012-10-08 19:06:13 cinch-: so whats cooking in webdev?
2012-10-08 19:06:21 dingdong: ya
2012-10-08 19:06:23 Jayflux: all sorts
2012-10-08 19:06:33 cinch-: like what
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2012-10-08 19:06:48 Jayflux: toying with backbone.js atm
2012-10-08 19:06:53 cinch-: ^^
2012-10-08 19:06:57 dingdong: what's backbone.js?
2012-10-08 19:07:03 cinch-: checkit out
2012-10-08 19:07:07 checkerouter: something for you to type into google! :P
2012-10-08 19:07:13 Jayflux: cinch- where were you hanging around before this channel?
2012-10-08 19:07:16 cinch-: MVC in your browser!
2012-10-08 19:07:24 checkerouter: (or bing, this is MS space as well after all 8))
2012-10-08 19:07:27 cinch-: Jayflux, freenode?
2012-10-08 19:07:34 Jayflux: yeah as in what channels?
2012-10-08 19:07:38 Guest92466: question for you all then, where do you think web dev is going? and where it will be in the next 1/2 years??
2012-10-08 19:07:40 dingdong: any efnet guys here
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2012-10-08 19:08:09 cinch-: Jayflux, #webplatform #refinerycms #znc #mpd #tmux #linux-cluster #datomic #vbox ##fritzbox #Netfilter ##networking #deskthority #ldap #rtorrent #dotCMS #rxvt-unicode #systemtap #zsh
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2012-10-08 19:08:29 checkerouter: haven't been on efnet for almost a decade :C
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2012-10-08 19:08:37 dingdong: how about dalnet
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2012-10-08 19:08:56 cinch-: Guest92466, i think it will die :)
2012-10-08 19:08:57 checkerouter: nah, ircnet!
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2012-10-08 19:09:20 dingdong: so what do you guys do?
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2012-10-08 19:09:36 cinch-: dingdong, im a sys admin at medium size company
2012-10-08 19:09:39 daleharvey works on firefox os / boot2gecko
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2012-10-08 19:09:53 amarinoco: Hi all.... computer freaks ;)
2012-10-08 19:09:54 dingdong: nice
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2012-10-08 19:10:07 cinch- is root
2012-10-08 19:10:13 dingdong: haha
2012-10-08 19:10:16 checkerouter: that's this elaborate april fool's joke OS from mozilla, right?
2012-10-08 19:10:16 daleharvey: I also work on http://pouchdb.com/
2012-10-08 19:10:17 cinch-: :D
2012-10-08 19:10:34 daleharvey: checkerouter: extremely elaborate :P
2012-10-08 19:10:39 cinch-: dingdong, what do you work on?
2012-10-08 19:10:43 dingdong: i'll check it out daleharvey
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2012-10-08 19:11:21 cinch-: vc?
2012-10-08 19:11:26 dingdong: venture capital
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2012-10-08 19:11:39 cinch-: gimme money please
2012-10-08 19:11:49 dingdong: gimme ideas
2012-10-08 19:11:57 cinch-: in what area?
2012-10-08 19:11:58 checkerouter: nono, give your money to boot2gecko, it can't fail!
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2012-10-08 19:12:02 Antonio_: I'm working on http://www.musicraiser.com/en.html
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2012-10-08 19:12:14 checkerouter: it's practically competionless
2012-10-08 19:12:20 test__: yo
2012-10-08 19:12:29 cg_: yo dawgs
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2012-10-08 19:12:48 cinch-: dingdong, what financial area?
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2012-10-08 19:12:58 nellaivijay: Hi Friends
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2012-10-08 19:13:02 cinch-: neersighted, HI
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2012-10-08 19:13:08 dingdong: tech,biotech
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2012-10-08 19:13:18 cinch-: dingdong, not my area, thanks though :P
2012-10-08 19:13:23 Arjun: hi
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2012-10-08 19:13:33 dingdong: whats your area?
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2012-10-08 19:13:37 dingdong: i'm open
2012-10-08 19:13:44 cinch-: dingdong, vienna austria
2012-10-08 19:13:49 dingdong: really?
2012-10-08 19:13:52 cinch-: yes
2012-10-08 19:13:58 Antonio_: @dd sicily/italy
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2012-10-08 19:14:38 dingdong: uk before that
2012-10-08 19:14:39 cinch-: where?
2012-10-08 19:14:42 dingdong: geneve
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2012-10-08 19:15:11 asantos3: PENIZZZZZZZZZZZ
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2012-10-08 19:15:19 checkerouter: alles voller Nazis hier :(
2012-10-08 19:15:24 dingdong: hahaha
2012-10-08 19:15:33 YsenGrimm: oh deutsche ;D
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2012-10-08 19:16:02 checkerouter: worse, austrians and swiss people :P
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2012-10-08 19:16:11 dingdong: out there
2012-10-08 19:16:27 cinch- takes a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong piiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss tyvm
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2012-10-08 19:17:01 cinch-: dingdong, hot in which area :)
2012-10-08 19:17:07 cinch-: there's so many
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2012-10-08 19:17:37 cinch-: i just worked at a datacenter
2012-10-08 19:17:40 checkerouter: I've heard this instagramm thing might just take off
2012-10-08 19:17:43 checkerouter: but psst
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2012-10-08 19:18:06 YsenGrimm: checkerouter: nah i don't think so
2012-10-08 19:18:06 dingdong: hehe
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2012-10-08 19:18:52 cinch-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick
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2012-10-08 19:19:09 checkerouter: yeah, he's the hot new guy to watch
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2012-10-08 19:19:14 dingdong: haha
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2012-10-08 19:19:30 al__: salut
2012-10-08 19:19:31 Nileshpraj_: Hello
2012-10-08 19:19:41 cinch-: ahaha
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2012-10-08 19:19:51 cinch-: sup
2012-10-08 19:20:03 YsenGrimm: cinch-: i recomend his book "social engineering"
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2012-10-08 19:20:30 dannybd: hello
2012-10-08 19:20:36 Jayflux: hi dannybd
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2012-10-08 19:21:39 cinch-: YsenGrimm, i recommend http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Wires-Adventures-Worlds-Wanted/dp/0316037729/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349724063&sr=8-1&keywords=kevin+mitnick
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2012-10-08 19:22:35 cinch-: but what is this about browser issues
2012-10-08 19:22:37 YsenGrimm: cinch-: already on my wisch list
2012-10-08 19:22:38 cinch-:  nothing
2012-10-08 19:22:58 cinch-: YsenGrimm, best book, get the audiobook version
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2012-10-08 19:23:25 Jayflux: cinch- which data center you worked at
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2012-10-08 19:23:47 cinch-: Jason_, at sil.at for our company, we got a full rack
2012-10-08 19:23:50 dannybd: how's everyone doing this October 8?
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2012-10-08 19:24:12 davidnormo: pretty good thanks
2012-10-08 19:24:12 dannybd: or 9 if you're in Beijing or beyond
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2012-10-08 19:24:35 cinch-: Jayflux, https://sicnarf.com/working-at-the-datacenter/
2012-10-08 19:24:51 cinch-: html5 is dead.
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2012-10-08 19:24:53 cinch-: the end.
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2012-10-08 19:25:53 cinch-: native apps > web apps.
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2012-10-08 19:27:50 cinch-: native online apps
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2012-10-08 19:28:00 YsenGrimm: cinch-: but i think the web will be gone in 2/3 years
2012-10-08 19:28:11 cinch-: YsenGrimm, me2
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2012-10-08 19:28:19 dingdong: what will replace it?
2012-10-08 19:28:23 cinch-: native
2012-10-08 19:28:27 YsenGrimm: that's the question
2012-10-08 19:28:33 cinch-: native
2012-10-08 19:28:40 dingdong: why do you assume it will be gone?
2012-10-08 19:28:46 nathanlong: really, everything bound to proprietary devices?
2012-10-08 19:28:51 YsenGrimm: fiber to quantum computer :D
2012-10-08 19:28:51 cinch-: because html sux
2012-10-08 19:28:53 daleharvey: heh, he is trolling
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2012-10-08 19:29:10 YsenGrimm: daleharvey: thx :D
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2012-10-08 19:29:31 cinch-: native is where its at
2012-10-08 19:29:41 dingdong: what's that
2012-10-08 19:29:44 cinch-: the web wont catch up
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2012-10-08 19:29:50 cinch-: dingdong, c, c++
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2012-10-08 19:29:59 dingdong: oh
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2012-10-08 19:30:06 nathanlong: in other news
2012-10-08 19:30:10 tomshreds: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
2012-10-08 19:30:16 nathanlong: has anyone edited/added any pages?
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2012-10-08 19:30:26 cinch-:    nathanlong where
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2012-10-08 19:30:48 Stevehem: hi
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2012-10-08 19:30:58 YsenGrimm: \o/
2012-10-08 19:31:01 Stevehem: whats going on here?
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2012-10-08 19:31:06 cinch-:  the web is a dream, soon we'll be back to native c apps. the end
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2012-10-08 19:31:20 Stevehem: ?
2012-10-08 19:31:21 dingdong: haha
2012-10-08 19:31:23 u89: assembler my friend… assembler...
2012-10-08 19:31:26 dingdong: doubtful
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2012-10-08 19:31:50 duc1199: who cares.
2012-10-08 19:31:50 dingdong: could be an alternative
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2012-10-08 19:32:08 dingdong: i care
2012-10-08 19:32:11 cinch-: duc1199, who cares for what
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2012-10-08 19:32:34 dingdong: cinch-, what happens to the web
2012-10-08 19:32:43 MacLovin: wp sux
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2012-10-08 19:32:45 cinch-: ...
2012-10-08 19:32:47 MacLovin: some old bullshit
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2012-10-08 19:32:59 duc1199: Hang on to those original w3schools links discs like grim death!
2012-10-08 19:32:59 sumit: this is awesom]
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2012-10-08 19:33:05 sumit: great work guys
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2012-10-08 19:33:15 sumit: hi there
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2012-10-08 19:33:23 cinch-: w3schools iz tha best yall""
2012-10-08 19:33:28 jAKEY: Hay :)
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2012-10-08 19:33:43 jAKEY: penis?
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2012-10-08 19:35:04 cinch-: <dingdong> cinch-, what happens to the web
2012-10-08 19:35:18 nathanlong slaps cinch- around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 19:35:18 cinch-: the web chances to web 2.0 duh ;)
2012-10-08 19:35:22 dingdong: jes
2012-10-08 19:35:26 neersighted: cinch-: do I know you?
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2012-10-08 19:35:59 cinch-: neersighted, no
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2012-10-08 19:36:10 neersighted: okay then :p
2012-10-08 19:36:22 dingdong: neersighted: do you want to know him?
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2012-10-08 19:36:38 cinch-: neersighted, whats your point
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2012-10-08 19:36:41 Adricolo: Hello
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2012-10-08 19:36:51 shepazu: hi, Adricolo
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2012-10-08 19:36:59 dingdong: shepazu spoke
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2012-10-08 19:37:09 Adricolo: Where are you from people ?
2012-10-08 19:37:15 cinch-: whats up with html and js and css
2012-10-08 19:37:15 neersighted: you pinged me earlier, just asking
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2012-10-08 19:37:24 cinch-: Adricolo, austria
2012-10-08 19:37:29 dingdong: adricolo, saudi arabia
2012-10-08 19:37:41 cinch-: dingdong, abu dhabi?
2012-10-08 19:37:44 Adricolo: France
2012-10-08 19:38:03 cinch-: Adricolo, where in france
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2012-10-08 19:38:21 buxx: really, is this for sure?
2012-10-08 19:38:23 cinch-: note: im only asking because its curteday
2012-10-08 19:38:26 Adricolo: south of France
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2012-10-08 19:38:37 dingdong: cinch-, only live :)
2012-10-08 19:38:39 cinch-: test12343
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2012-10-08 19:38:51 buxx: is this te end of the terrible browser stuff?
2012-10-08 19:38:55 cinch-: so ...
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2012-10-08 19:39:16 cinch-: buxx, IE6 ???
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2012-10-08 19:39:26 buxx: what do you mean?
2012-10-08 19:39:39 cinch-: what do you mean?
2012-10-08 19:39:46 shepazu: buxx: well, hopefully, we will help developers work around the worst of the legacy browser problems
2012-10-08 19:39:46 dingdong: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-08 19:39:59 cinch-: ^^
2012-10-08 19:40:13 shepazu: cinch-: please stop trolling :)
2012-10-08 19:40:37 cinch-: shepazu, o.o
2012-10-08 19:40:43 buxx: great, but of course we can forget IE6, but further, it sounds to good to be true, especially that big companies are joining in
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2012-10-08 19:41:07 cinch-: i cant stop trolling however :(
2012-10-08 19:41:18 shepazu: buxx: well, all these companies are already participating in W3C, working on web standards together
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2012-10-08 19:41:34 buxx: oh oke, did not knew
2012-10-08 19:41:35 bobr: HOVNO
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2012-10-08 19:42:18 dannybd: i see the <blink> tag article was deleted
2012-10-08 19:42:19 shepazu: so, this documentation site will hopefully improve how everyone can find best practices and work around non-interoperability
2012-10-08 19:42:22 cinch-: shepazu, lets see what they can produice
2012-10-08 19:42:29 dannybd: wait, there it is
2012-10-08 19:42:34 dannybd: darn
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2012-10-08 19:42:43 cinch-: shepazu, yes
2012-10-08 19:42:44 Ryan_Lane: nominate it for speedy deletion
2012-10-08 19:42:45 Ryan_Lane: :)
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2012-10-08 19:43:02 shepazu: dannybd: what kind of site would this be if it didn't include <blink>?
2012-10-08 19:43:17 dannybd nominates for deletion "for the good of mankind"
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2012-10-08 19:43:47 neotester: Really?
2012-10-08 19:43:50 dannybd: I kid, I kid :)
2012-10-08 19:43:52 neotester: <blink> ?
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2012-10-08 19:44:00 ruchit: this is really cool
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2012-10-08 19:44:06 Serrata: next you'll bring up <marquee>
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2012-10-08 19:44:19 shepazu: dannybd: it should be marked as deprecated/obsolete/evil
2012-10-08 19:44:39 Frank___: good evening from germany
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2012-10-08 19:44:47 shepazu: hi, Frank___, welcome
2012-10-08 19:44:50 neotester: If marquee's coming back, I'm quitting the dev business.
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2012-10-08 19:45:22 dannybd: ...can someone write an Evil template?
2012-10-08 19:45:22 shepazu: neotester: <marquee> is actually quite popular in China, I hear
2012-10-08 19:45:32 neotester: :)))
2012-10-08 19:45:55 Serrata: it's a fad
2012-10-08 19:45:56 u89: <marquee> was the first tag i ever used…….
2012-10-08 19:46:05 Serrata: you'll see it come back around soon
2012-10-08 19:46:07 neotester: @shepazu along with all-banned beautiful startups.
2012-10-08 19:46:33 shepazu: neotester: http://simonwillison.net/2002/Aug/30/marqueeInMozilla/ "nearly 30% of top 150 sites in China use the marquee element"
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2012-10-08 19:46:41 neotester: I do have to admit, I do remember the first I used <marquee>
2012-10-08 19:46:45 Serrata: ...
2012-10-08 19:46:47 Serrata: why
2012-10-08 19:46:56 Serrata: why would they use that?
2012-10-08 19:47:04 Frank___: i would like to say, that i delivered from this web community...sharing works: http://de.engadget.com/2012/10/08/cvmaker-lebenslauf-leicht-gemacht/
2012-10-08 19:47:16 shepazu: ancient chinese secret, Serrata
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2012-10-08 19:47:26 Stirreg: Why not, instead of javascript newstickers and the like...
2012-10-08 19:47:33 shepazu: something to do with scrolls...
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2012-10-08 19:49:11 Frank___: thank u, gn8
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2012-10-08 19:49:31 u89: marquee was awesome :)
2012-10-08 19:49:32 u89: :)
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2012-10-08 19:49:52 pax: so why couldn't I just login with my webplatform.org username?
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2012-10-08 19:50:27 pax: who actually built this?
2012-10-08 19:50:33 Ryan_Lane: lots of people
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2012-10-08 19:50:38 Ryan_Lane: pax: what problem are you having?
2012-10-08 19:50:47 tsinghtao: Read error: Connection reset by peer
2012-10-08 19:50:51 pax: I'm a curious human being? :)
2012-10-08 19:51:01 Ryan_Lane: oh. I thought you were having a login problem
2012-10-08 19:51:05 pax: nono
2012-10-08 19:51:15 pax: I'm just wandering around
2012-10-08 19:51:19 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-08 19:51:25 Ryan_Lane: yeah. built by a lot of people
2012-10-08 19:51:33 pax: and also, what technology stack has been used for this
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2012-10-08 19:51:36 pax: no, I mean the CMS
2012-10-08 19:51:39 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki
2012-10-08 19:51:48 Ryan_Lane: for docs.webplatform.org/wiki
2012-10-08 19:51:59 Ryan_Lane: static for www.webplatform.org
2012-10-08 19:52:04 Ryan_Lane: wordpress for the blog
2012-10-08 19:52:12 Ryan_Lane: questions2answers for the forums
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2012-10-08 19:52:34 pax: thanks for the details, I just wandered, as this is a huge collaboration, of the big guys, who got to put it all together :)
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2012-10-08 19:53:07 Ryan_Lane: I'll likely be writing up an infrastructure post soonish
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2012-10-08 19:53:19 pax: would you get someone from Mozilla, someone from Google, or, how do you get an agency to be workign on that
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2012-10-08 19:53:33 pax: ok, I'll be quietly waiting, just being curious :)
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2012-10-08 19:53:55 Ryan_Lane: well, I for instance was a consultant
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2012-10-08 19:55:04 Noodles: web developer forever
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2012-10-08 19:55:38 pax: I was just googling you :) thanks for the details, I'm always curious when something like this gets pulled together, sometimes it works sometimes it stumbles upon committees :)
2012-10-08 19:55:41 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: we really need to write that "about" page :)
2012-10-08 19:55:46 Ryan_Lane: heh
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2012-10-08 19:55:49 Ryan_Lane: yeah
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2012-10-08 19:56:03 oskarrough: Is there any way to disable all these join/part messages?
2012-10-08 19:56:06 michel_v: yo
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2012-10-08 19:56:20 michel_v: oskarrough: you can ignore them, type /help ignore
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2012-10-08 19:56:31 pax: also, in the FAQ you should make it clear, what's the difference from this to w3.org
2012-10-08 19:56:32 michel_v: oskarrough: (if you're using an IRC client)
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2012-10-08 19:57:01 oskarrough: michel_v: yea, probably should - just sitting on the web client right now. Thanks.
2012-10-08 19:57:04 pax: why one would need webplatform.org when one has w3c.org - is it because of the wiki approach?
2012-10-08 19:57:11 shepazu: oskarrough: I'll ask the app developer about that, but this will all settle down in a wekk or so… people are just looking around now
2012-10-08 19:57:15 Noodles: why so much robo trash in the chat?
2012-10-08 19:57:29 oskarrough: Sure :)
2012-10-08 19:57:39 Guest45054: hi
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2012-10-08 19:58:00 Ryan_Lane: Noodles: robotrash?
2012-10-08 19:58:01 shepazu: pax: some people are nervous about contributing to w3.org, so we thought we'd make a site that the whole community could contribute to
2012-10-08 19:58:10 Ryan_Lane: we don't have any bots in here at all :)
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2012-10-08 19:58:14 oskarrough: Just wrote you guys an email but are you looking for front-end help for the site? Would love to help the project going.
2012-10-08 19:58:18 shepazu: hey, manu!
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2012-10-08 19:58:30 pax: I got it, thanks
2012-10-08 19:58:38 paul_irish_ just got off my plane! Congrats everyone :)
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2012-10-08 19:58:46 shepazu: hey, paul_irish!
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2012-10-08 19:58:50 paul_irish: hioooo
2012-10-08 19:58:55 Noodles: i mean a lot of messages
2012-10-08 19:58:57 Eliot: guten tagen!
2012-10-08 19:59:00 pax: @oskarrough it would be nice to at least have the 'joined' messages in another less contrast color
2012-10-08 19:59:03 tyburg: 'ello
2012-10-08 19:59:09 manu-db2: great work on the site shepazu, paul_irish and everyone else involved :)
2012-10-08 19:59:24 michel_v: I don't know what's up with the video on the webplatform.org homepage, but I can't forward it on firefox 16 on OS X. for some reason, it just stays in the image strip mode
2012-10-08 19:59:27 shepazu: thanks manu-db2… is this Mr. Sporny?
2012-10-08 19:59:32 manu-db2 nods.
2012-10-08 19:59:33 paul_irish: pax: oskarrough: in the top left, there is a menu with settings. you can turn off join/part's (also nick highlighting!)
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2012-10-08 19:59:46 shepazu: manu-db2: I assume you'll help with some RDFa material?
2012-10-08 19:59:47 michel_v: it's pretty much the most frustrating video embed ever
2012-10-08 19:59:52 manu-db2 coughs.
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2012-10-08 20:00:05 raj_: @all: i am looking for a front end developer role or web developer role...can u guys let me know if u have any position open
2012-10-08 20:00:06 manu-db2: Yeah, sure - the second I get out from under this JSON-LD pile :P
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2012-10-08 20:00:16 manu-db2: (and the Web Payments pile, after that)
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2012-10-08 20:00:17 joqui2108: hellow
2012-10-08 20:00:22 shepazu coughs too… getting over a cold
2012-10-08 20:00:22 dannybd: hello!
2012-10-08 20:00:34 manu-db2 will ping his people to try them to contribute content to the site... 
2012-10-08 20:00:34 joqui2108: lets have sex
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2012-10-08 20:00:46 manu-db2: sorry to hear you've been sick, shepazu :(
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2012-10-08 20:01:10 shepazu: manu-db2: too many late nights and all-nighters getting this thing going
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2012-10-08 20:02:01 paul_irish: .topic
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2012-10-08 20:02:33 whatis: hello world!
2012-10-08 20:02:35 paul_irish: shepazu: recommended workflow for contributed CSS fixes for the site?
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2012-10-08 20:02:55 shepazu: paul_irish: probably so
2012-10-08 20:02:57 paul_irish: k
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2012-10-08 20:03:17 whatis: so does anyone know what's MS going to do about pointer-event: none;?
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2012-10-08 20:04:25 dannybd: apple contribute to this site? TechCrunch mentions them but I'm not seeing references elsewhere
2012-10-08 20:04:25 astropirate: Greetings
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2012-10-08 20:05:01 Cleberson: hi
2012-10-08 20:05:06 mifchip: Just found information on russian habrahabr named community page. Nice looking web projet. Thanks a lot many of you who contributed to this idea/project.
2012-10-08 20:05:14 whatis: @dannybd they invented rounded corners for CSS, isn't that enough?
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2012-10-08 20:05:27 pax: @paul_irish I somehow don't get to see the settings menu...
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2012-10-08 20:05:34 tyburg: dannybd its in their frist blog post, but not on the bottom of the page
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2012-10-08 20:05:39 shepazu: dannybd: yes, apple is a steward of webplatform.org http://webplatform.org/stewards/
2012-10-08 20:05:43 pax: and the styling of the 'join' messages would be nice to have by default :)
2012-10-08 20:05:47 DeMam: Yolo
2012-10-08 20:05:57 orough: @paul_irish me neither - we're talking about the web client, right?
2012-10-08 20:06:02 shepazu: dannybd: apple chose not to have their logo displayed
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2012-10-08 20:06:06 paul_irish: thought so but i havented looked at it
2012-10-08 20:06:16 paul_irish: qwebirc has those settings somewhere.. though it got reskinned
2012-10-08 20:06:16 dannybd: Ah, OK; thanks for the clarification
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2012-10-08 20:07:10 pax: @shepazu well they say it has been fixed in 2012 http://hg.qwebirc.org/qwebirc/issue/34/disable-join-part-messages :)
2012-10-08 20:07:15 mifchip: paul_irish: I saw your presentation on G I/O, it was nice. Thanks a lot. I also started to use ST2.
2012-10-08 20:07:19 pax: I checked :)
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2012-10-08 20:08:16 diamonds: are JS docs gonna go here?
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2012-10-08 20:08:49 jkomoros: diamonds: Yep
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2012-10-08 20:08:58 diamonds: I'm also wondering what the "stewardship" by the various stewards will look like
2012-10-08 20:09:02 mifchip: Oh I use LimeChat and sometines irssi :) but webbased chat is not for me ;)
2012-10-08 20:09:03 diamonds: I like MDN but it's kind of a mess
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2012-10-08 20:09:10 pijav: Habrahabr!
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2012-10-08 20:09:22 mifchip: pijav: the same for me habr rules
2012-10-08 20:09:23 jkomoros: diamonds: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-08 20:09:32 diamonds: I'm hoping each of those stewards will chip in a couple $m to get a decent resource going
2012-10-08 20:09:33 jkomoros: "How do the stewards relate to the site?"
2012-10-08 20:09:36 Whiskas: Hello from habr)
2012-10-08 20:09:52 pijav slaps Chubuk around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 20:09:55 shepazu: diamonds: the stewards have no special privileges when it comes to content… anyone can edit, andyone who is dedicated and helpful can become an admin
2012-10-08 20:09:59 mifchip: Whiskas: the same here ;) hi to you
2012-10-08 20:10:17 diamonds: shepazu: yeah I'm not afraid of too much involvement, I'm afraid of too little
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2012-10-08 20:10:34 diamonds: shepazu: anyone can edit MDN but that doesn't mean it's a "great" resource for JS apis
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2012-10-08 20:10:47 diamonds: it's "the best I've found" & "good" but not great
2012-10-08 20:10:54 pax: this doesn't take anny commands, '/help' doesn't do anything
2012-10-08 20:11:26 diamonds: I'm hoping there are dedicated, paid editors to go thru and ensure thoroughness &  accuracy
2012-10-08 20:11:46 mifchip: Do you guys plan to add all the CSS hacks? Event from IE5?
2012-10-08 20:11:54 diamonds: shepazu: is this likely?
2012-10-08 20:11:57 diamonds dreams big
2012-10-08 20:12:09 shepazu: diamonds: well, we do have dedicated people who will be working on this… and you can help!
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2012-10-08 20:12:22 diamonds: shepazu: how specifically
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2012-10-08 20:12:25 pax: shouldn't this be started with something that's already done. like the msdn or w3c docs?
2012-10-08 20:12:33 pavoroby: habr
2012-10-08 20:12:41 jkomoros: pax: This does include both :-)
2012-10-08 20:12:50 sai: hi
2012-10-08 20:13:00 diamonds: shepazu: I'm no nimbupani you know :)
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2012-10-08 20:13:02 pijav: pavroby: :)
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2012-10-08 20:13:13 shepazu: diamonds: if you have specific ideas about what improvements we need, you should let us know (when things have settled down...)
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2012-10-08 20:13:28 diamonds: shepazu: ah.  that I can do! (provide detailed feedback/suggestions)
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2012-10-08 20:13:39 pavoroby: Тест
2012-10-08 20:13:47 FLS: Тест?
2012-10-08 20:13:51 mifchip: Somebody change topic with greetings for guys from habrahabr, because they wouldnt stop to send greetings from themselfs :)
2012-10-08 20:13:53 pavoroby:  Именно
2012-10-08 20:14:03 FLS: много ли здесь хабровчан?
2012-10-08 20:14:09 mifchip: Имеетсо
2012-10-08 20:14:11 pavoroby: раз
2012-10-08 20:14:17 diamonds: I salivate thinking of robust browser API docs...
2012-10-08 20:14:19 FLS: замечательно
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2012-10-08 20:14:44 Uwk: yay 4 clean and simple browser API Docs.
2012-10-08 20:14:44 mifchip: Давай ребята на английском тут, многим не понять наших кренделей, будут паниковать :)
2012-10-08 20:14:46 diamonds: shepazu: suggestion 1: get msft to adequately document TextRange
2012-10-08 20:14:54 pavoroby: дождь
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2012-10-08 20:15:20 inkvizitor68sl_: jabber irc transports still suxx
2012-10-08 20:15:20 inkvizitor68sl_: -(
2012-10-08 20:15:35 diamonds: anyway cheers & I look forward to nice docs & tuts
2012-10-08 20:15:47 shepazu: mifchip, "Come on guys in English here, many people do not understand our pretzels, will panic"?
2012-10-08 20:15:52 pax tries to remember IRC
2012-10-08 20:16:29 inkvizitor68sl_: shepazu: very bad translate $)
2012-10-08 20:16:30 shepazu: mifchip: I do not understand your pretzels! :)
2012-10-08 20:16:30 inkvizitor68sl_: ;)
2012-10-08 20:16:44 mifchip: shepazu: Thats right, people from russian site habr will disturb here, I asked them to stop using russian, and switch to english
2012-10-08 20:16:51 inkvizitor68sl_: actually coz he is bad in russian.. xD
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2012-10-08 20:17:52 inkvizitor68sl: hooray!
2012-10-08 20:17:55 shepazu: thanks, mifchip… I appreciate your pretzels, even if I don't understand them
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2012-10-08 20:18:01 inkvizitor68sl: i can close web-interface
2012-10-08 20:18:12 apnerve: So what happens to projects like "MoveTheWebForward" ?
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2012-10-08 20:18:41 Scott_Cranfill: Does anyone know how I can get connected to the Marketing Taskforce? I'd love to lend a hand cleaning up some of the skin issues.
2012-10-08 20:18:44 shepazu: paul_irish: you want to handle apnerve's question?
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2012-10-08 20:19:03 krit: apnerve: people behind MoveTheWebForward contribute as well
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2012-10-08 20:20:34 apnerve: I mean... There are many resources like movethewebforward, MDN, dev.opera, msdn, HTML5Rocks, HTML5 Doctor and sitepoint reference. Will all that content be also available on #webplatform as well?
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2012-10-08 20:21:09 inkvizitor68sl: main question - what for is it?
2012-10-08 20:21:13 inkvizitor68sl: and for whom ?
2012-10-08 20:21:36 orough: For the project to make sense content from all of those sites should me migrated in some form.
2012-10-08 20:21:47 jkomoros: apnerve: Part of the point of WPD is to provide a single place where everyone's documentation can congregate
2012-10-08 20:21:57 jkomoros: so that you don't have to hunt around many different sites for the information you need
2012-10-08 20:22:03 Wilto: We set up MtWF as more of a “here are some ways to get involved in web standards” site.
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2012-10-08 20:22:21 jkomoros: inkvizitor68sl: The site aims to grow to be _the_ definitive site for web developer documentation, for all web developers
2012-10-08 20:22:24 Wilto: I don’t know that there’ll be a ton of overlap; we don’t cover a while lot of technical stuff on there.
2012-10-08 20:22:39 apnerve: ok
2012-10-08 20:22:41 jkomoros: But right now it's still in its _very_ early stages, and we're inviting the community to help improve it
2012-10-08 20:22:43 inkvizitor68sl: so, SA have nothing to do here. heh
2012-10-08 20:22:51 jkomoros: inkvizitor68sl: "SA"?
2012-10-08 20:23:00 inkvizitor68sl: system administrator
2012-10-08 20:23:03 fouad_: sys admin
2012-10-08 20:23:24 jkomoros: inkvizitor68sl: Ah, yeah, this is mainly aimed at frontend web development
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2012-10-08 20:24:01 inkvizitor68sl: nah, i mean that web development forget again about sa's. and this sux, as i can see on my production hosts
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2012-10-08 20:25:02 inkvizitor68sl: year passed, but i can still replace 10% of their "hard" code by few strings at nginx.conf ^_^
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2012-10-08 20:25:21 NickyZ: Good afternoon all
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2012-10-08 20:25:27 inkvizitor68sl: althought i am bad sa =)
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2012-10-08 20:26:16 NickyZ: Is this a good place to make comments about the current status of the wiki?
2012-10-08 20:26:52 inkvizitor68sl: part
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2012-10-08 20:27:16 jkomoros: NickyZ: It depends on what types of contents
2012-10-08 20:27:19 jkomoros: *comments
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2012-10-08 20:28:05 jkomoros: So many things are known issues and will just take time (and community help from folks like you) to help fix
2012-10-08 20:28:12 Scott_Cranfill: Does anyone know how I can get connected to the Marketing Taskforce? I'd love to lend a hand cleaning up some of the skin issues.
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2012-10-08 20:28:28 Serrata: wikipedia probably wasn't the best looking place on day1
2012-10-08 20:28:33 NickyZ: jkomoros: That is exaclty what I want to talk about
2012-10-08 20:28:47 shepazu: Scott_Cranfill: file a bug, and email me offlist :)
2012-10-08 20:28:57 NickyZ: I want to get involved but can't seem to figure out how to edit stuff
2012-10-08 20:29:16 NickyZ: If possible, maybe someone could walk me through my current problem,
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2012-10-08 20:29:40 Scott_Cranfill: @shepazu: Using the link at the top right of this chat client?
2012-10-08 20:29:54 Scott_Cranfill slaps shepazu around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 20:29:55 NickyZ: I have 1. Registered, 2. Verified email. 3. Able to open a page in "Source Mode"
2012-10-08 20:29:56 jkomoros: NickyZ: I should be able to help
2012-10-08 20:30:04 shepazu: Scott_Cranfill: yup
2012-10-08 20:30:07 Scott_Cranfill: Uh, sorry about that... trying to get the user inffo.
2012-10-08 20:30:14 jkomoros: NickyZ: You generally don't want to open in source mode, just hit "Edit"
2012-10-08 20:31:01 mifchip: Please somebody highlight my nick :) I've just changed theme for Lime
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2012-10-08 20:31:16 NickyZ: Is their private chats on this... i haven't used IRC in years
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2012-10-08 20:31:30 kevinw: NickyZ, yes: /msg <name> Hello!
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2012-10-08 20:31:56 mifchip: NickyZ: you can join IRC directly using clint and find the magic IRC world :)
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2012-10-08 20:33:25 skaloot: greetings from malaysia
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2012-10-08 20:33:55 NickyZ: I really need to get a better client this web stuff is crap...
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2012-10-08 20:34:20 NickyZ: Suggestions?  Adium is what I used to use.
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2012-10-08 20:34:32 skaloot: i use imo
2012-10-08 20:34:34 daleharvey: irccloud <3
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2012-10-08 20:34:42 rama_: Hi!
2012-10-08 20:34:46 NickyZ: *on a mac*
2012-10-08 20:34:47 mifchip: NickyZ: OS?
2012-10-08 20:34:52 mifchip: LimeChat
2012-10-08 20:34:58 mifchip: NickyZ: LimeChat
2012-10-08 20:35:05 kevinw: NickyZ, if you're on mac, colloquy works well.
2012-10-08 20:35:06 orough: Colloquy for Mac is alright
2012-10-08 20:35:10 Serrata: i used colloquy for irc on my mac
2012-10-08 20:35:11 mifchip: with Whisper theme :)
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2012-10-08 20:35:34 skaloot: so is this web socket or jquery?
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2012-10-08 20:35:59 NickyZ: Free is better than not... dark is better than light... easy is better than hard... one function is better than 1000
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2012-10-08 20:36:23 NickyZ: LimeChat/Colloquy/Adium... suggestions based on those criteria?
2012-10-08 20:36:34 rama_: When Web Plataform will be available in Spanish?
2012-10-08 20:36:38 acidcj: duplicate page. how to correct?
2012-10-08 20:36:45 scardin: eae
2012-10-08 20:36:50 ryanneufeld: NickyZ: I like limechat
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2012-10-08 20:37:24 YsenGrimm: rama_: when they enable translations
2012-10-08 20:37:28 tyburg: +1 for limechat
2012-10-08 20:37:34 glazik: habrahabr.ru ?
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2012-10-08 20:37:57 orough: Is there a list on docs somewhere where you see all pages flagged with a specific flag? I'm not seeing it right now.
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2012-10-08 20:38:08 mifchip: glazik: yep, habr here is like swearword, u know?
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2012-10-08 20:38:52 glazik: why? :)
2012-10-08 20:39:47 NickyZ: What is the IRC channel I should use for this?  Is it on Freenode?
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2012-10-08 20:39:55 YsenGrimm: yup
2012-10-08 20:40:01 YsenGrimm: #webplatform
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2012-10-08 20:40:53 NickyZ: Well.
2012-10-08 20:40:57 felipy joined
2012-10-08 20:41:04 NickyZ: A new IRC client and I am up and running.
2012-10-08 20:41:12 YsenGrimm: NickyZ: congrats :D
2012-10-08 20:41:20 NickyZ: Thanks for the help folks
2012-10-08 20:41:23 felipy: dae galera
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2012-10-08 20:41:47 mifchip: NickyZ: what client you have selected?
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2012-10-08 20:41:53 NickyZ: So now onto solving the worlds problems... because the barrier to entry is that low...
2012-10-08 20:42:00 NickyZ: I chose LimeChate
2012-10-08 20:42:02 NickyZ: Chat*
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2012-10-08 20:42:12 mifchip: NickyZ: Good choice :)
2012-10-08 20:42:21 NickyZ: mifchip: I like to think so
2012-10-08 20:42:27 mifchip: Try Whisper theme :)
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2012-10-08 20:42:47 mifchip: https://raw.github.com/jezdez/limechat-whisper/master/screenshot.png
2012-10-08 20:42:47 ori-l: are any of the developers behind webplatform around?
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2012-10-08 20:43:08 shepazu: ori-l: several of us are
2012-10-08 20:43:09 NickyZ: part
2012-10-08 20:43:09 null_device: hi all
2012-10-08 20:43:11 skaloot: yeah..they should hang around here
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2012-10-08 20:43:27 null_device: привет хабр!
2012-10-08 20:43:38 MaxHero: хабр привет!
2012-10-08 20:43:40 shepazu: skaloot: we do hang around here… but we also have day jobs :)
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2012-10-08 20:43:45 im1x: хабр жив, да
2012-10-08 20:43:48 shepazu: hi, null_device
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2012-10-08 20:43:56 ori-l: shepazu: ah, cool. it's cool that you used mediawiki for this. are there things that you guys built with/on top of mediawiki that wikipedia could reuse?
2012-10-08 20:44:06 shepazu: ori-l: yes!
2012-10-08 20:44:08 null_device: тортище практически
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2012-10-08 20:44:23 shepazu: we've developed a few extensions that we will be making open source
2012-10-08 20:44:27 skaloot: yeah @shepazu u r right
2012-10-08 20:44:30 shepazu: in gerrit :)
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2012-10-08 20:45:01 Ryan_Lane: ori-l: howdy
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2012-10-08 20:45:13 shepazu: ori-l: I especially like the comments extension
2012-10-08 20:45:14 NickyZ: Wrong cmd-w
2012-10-08 20:45:15 skaloot: btw, this is great platform
2012-10-08 20:45:23 shepazu: thanks, skaloot
2012-10-08 20:45:27 skaloot: credit to all u guys
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2012-10-08 20:45:33 ori-l: Ryan_Lane: hey! didn't notice you. thanks for the heads up about this being mediawiki -- i took a look before and didn't suspect it
2012-10-08 20:45:42 orough: shepazu: when someone uses the term 'alpha' everything is excused, of course, but how about all the layout issues etc.? Need help?
2012-10-08 20:45:48 skaloot: BOOKMARKEDDD..!!!!   ;)
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2012-10-08 20:46:07 Ryan_Lane: ori-l: yep. I've been helping with the launch, and it was looking good, so I thought I'd share
2012-10-08 20:46:12 NickyZ: mifchip: Any dark themes... easier on my eyes
2012-10-08 20:46:25 mifchip: Limelight
2012-10-08 20:46:26 shepazu: orough: we can certainly use help… file a bug, provide a patch, and we'll integrate it
2012-10-08 20:46:46 ori-l: Ryan_Lane: cool :)
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2012-10-08 20:46:54 orough: is the code public somewhere?
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2012-10-08 20:47:08 pax: if w3c is part of this, why aren't all w3c html docs a part of webplatform.org?
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2012-10-08 20:47:23 shepazu: pax: what do you mean?
2012-10-08 20:47:32 NickyZ: SpringNight it is
2012-10-08 20:47:34 apnerve: BTW, w3c HTML docs are from dev.opera
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2012-10-08 20:47:35 mifchip: NickyZ: I also used dark theme, but after jumped to light, because I use Solarized Light in my editor, so I use light themes now :) But earlier I was dark theme user ;)
2012-10-08 20:47:35 apnerve: They are getting migrated
2012-10-08 20:47:56 shepazu: apnerve: not all of them… we developed some of that in-house
2012-10-08 20:48:02 apnerve: which are being migrated to WPD.
2012-10-08 20:48:03 apnerve: Might take some time I guess.
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2012-10-08 20:48:07 apnerve: Yeah... not all
2012-10-08 20:48:10 NickyZ: mifchip: 10+ hours a day on my comp... no way I could look at a bright screen
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2012-10-08 20:48:25 apnerve: esp , the web standards curriculum is from dev.opera
2012-10-08 20:48:31 NickyZ: So solving the worlds problems... anyone game?
2012-10-08 20:48:32 mifchip: :) me to, but Solarized solved the problem
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2012-10-08 20:48:53 orough: shepazu: is the code in version control somewhere or how would you like us to provide patches?
2012-10-08 20:48:53 mifchip: Leaving, wanna sleep ;)
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2012-10-08 20:48:57 Karmaon: is this the official channel?
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2012-10-08 20:49:08 shepazu: Karmaon: this is!
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2012-10-08 20:49:13 pax: @shepazu i mean http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/cite has slightly more info than http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/cite
2012-10-08 20:49:13 shepazu: for everything!
2012-10-08 20:49:14 apnerve: I guess this is the official channel
2012-10-08 20:49:27 Karmaon: heh, i wasn't sure if webplatform.org/chat was on freenode
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2012-10-08 20:50:06 apnerve: Is everybody using the web client or any other client for this chat?
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2012-10-08 20:50:08 apnerve: BTW, I'm new to IRC :(
2012-10-08 20:50:26 Karmaon: apnerve: limechat on mac
2012-10-08 20:50:29 shepazu: I need to update the web chat client to say that… but I would need to restart the web client to do so… later tonight, maybe
2012-10-08 20:51:15 NickyZ: They just convinced me to LimeChat for mac.  Easy install (as always) and clean interface
2012-10-08 20:51:18 karlcow: pax: it means you can improve the docs.webplatform.org one
2012-10-08 20:51:28 apnerve: installing LimeChat
2012-10-08 20:51:37 apnerve: also, can this username be permanent?
2012-10-08 20:51:40 apnerve: the one on IRC
2012-10-08 20:51:46 Karmaon: apnerve: you have to register it
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2012-10-08 20:51:52 orough: apnerve: if you're using a client you can register it
2012-10-08 20:52:01 shepazu: pax: yes, we will integrate all the stuff from W3C's element reference into webplatform docs
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2012-10-08 20:52:08 noder: guys i have to report a bug. the webchat on the website doesnt work
2012-10-08 20:52:12 apnerve: ok
2012-10-08 20:52:17 apnerve: it works
2012-10-08 20:52:21 Ryan_Lane: noder: too many clients connected?
2012-10-08 20:52:38 noder: invalid session
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2012-10-08 20:52:51 Ryan_Lane: you are at: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-08 20:52:51 Ryan_Lane: ?
2012-10-08 20:52:55 pax: @shepazu @karlcow thanks, good news
2012-10-08 20:52:56 noder: i am using chrome latest version.
2012-10-08 20:52:58 noder: yes Ryan_Lane
2012-10-08 20:53:03 ori-l: shepazu: do you mind if i ask you about analytics? i see you're using the ClickTracking extension. what sort of things are you doing with it?
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2012-10-08 20:53:13 Ryan_Lane: (Too many user connections (global))
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2012-10-08 20:53:25 Ryan_Lane: that's the problem I'm having with chat
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2012-10-08 20:53:33 Ryan_Lane: which is likely the trouble behind your problem
2012-10-08 20:53:33 delias slaps delias around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 20:53:37 Ryan_Lane: we need to talk with freenode staff
2012-10-08 20:53:41 karlcow added a link on http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/cite to say to edit http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/cite
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2012-10-08 20:53:51 Ryan_Lane: ori-l: I don't think we're actually using it yet
2012-10-08 20:54:10 noder: so what i did is to connect with webchat.freenode.net ... but for more unexperienced users that might be difficult to discover
2012-10-08 20:54:16 Ryan_Lane: ori-l: we're using piwik for analytics
2012-10-08 20:54:24 shepazu: ori-l: we are anonymizing all the data collected, and are just using it for site analytics
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2012-10-08 20:54:47 pax dumbly submitted 2 bugs about the IRC web client then realized they were most probably about freenode 
2012-10-08 20:54:48 shepazu: and we respect Do Not Track
2012-10-08 20:54:48 kusha: hello!
2012-10-08 20:54:49 Ryan_Lane: noder: yeah. we're going to talk to freenode staff about possibly increasing the limit for us
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2012-10-08 20:54:59 noder: the website design is great btw
2012-10-08 20:54:59 shepazu: hi, kusha
2012-10-08 20:55:04 shepazu: thanks, noder
2012-10-08 20:55:18 ori-l: shepazu / Ryan_Lane: ah, i'm not paranoid, more curious about what you're optimizing for, what the key metrics / performance indicators are, etc.
2012-10-08 20:55:27 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-08 20:55:31 shepazu: ori-l: it's not paranoia :)
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2012-10-08 20:55:50 shepazu: ori-l: we don't really know yet… we will find out what information is useful
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2012-10-08 20:56:28 shepazu: ori-l: we hope to look for pages that are searched for, but not found, so we know what pages to make
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2012-10-08 20:56:40 kusha: web docs with huge support is great idea!
2012-10-08 20:56:41 noder: shepazu: i think it lacks something: on history(i dont know how to call this) , when you browse stuff, the links are not modified when mouse hovers... id="breadcrumb-info" <
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2012-10-08 20:56:48 apnerve: How do I join this from Limechat?
2012-10-08 20:56:49 ori-l: shepazu: makes sense
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2012-10-08 20:56:57 ori-l: apnerve: connect to freenode, /join #webplatform
2012-10-08 20:56:59 Qwezzy: Oh wow this is too nyce
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2012-10-08 20:57:08 shepazu: we also want to improve our search rankings, over time :)
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2012-10-08 20:57:59 shepazu: apnerve: irc://chat.freenode.net#webplatform
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2012-10-08 20:58:42 ori-l: shepazu: what about MDN? its content is very valuable, but the site itself is clunky and poorly maintained. i see mozilla is involved with webplatform -- maybe the content could be migrated?
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2012-10-08 20:58:50 karlcow: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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2012-10-08 20:58:55 mlahlouh: hi
2012-10-08 20:58:59 Karmaon: apnerve: here, let me guide you through
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2012-10-08 20:59:15 apnerve: It is written in the blog that the content is being migrated
2012-10-08 20:59:17 Karmaon: apnerve: go to the menu bar and click "Server" -> "Add SErver"
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2012-10-08 20:59:52 apnerve: ok
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2012-10-08 21:00:10 wasmer: hello from Habrahabr!
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2012-10-08 21:00:13 Karmaon: apnerve: server: chat.freenode.net:7000 (SSL)
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2012-10-08 21:00:15 Tetriz: amazing
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2012-10-08 21:00:51 NickyZ: Man... people can be cruel.
2012-10-08 21:00:51 shepazu: ori-l: some of the MDN content can be ported, but its license is a bit tricky… we're working on that :)
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2012-10-08 21:01:28 ori-l: shepazu: cool!
2012-10-08 21:01:30 NickyZ: The forum's are just alive with "I hate this" or "Why doesn't the site have that"
2012-10-08 21:01:41 NickyZ: This is in alpha still...
2012-10-08 21:01:42 kewark_: Read error: Connection reset by peer
2012-10-08 21:01:46 shepazu: NickyZ: that's the way it goes
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2012-10-08 21:01:54 NickyZ: contribute a little and stop complaining!
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2012-10-08 21:02:06 shepazu: NickyZ: it will improve over time, and even complaints can be useful :)
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2012-10-08 21:02:11 NickyZ: On that chord...
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2012-10-08 21:02:16 shepazu: but thanks for the support
2012-10-08 21:02:16 NickyZ: Editing...
2012-10-08 21:02:21 Serrata: so this will hopefully replace w3 schools being the first result for every search I end up doing?
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2012-10-08 21:02:39 NickyZ: Serrata: Geez, wouldn't that be nice!
2012-10-08 21:02:43 shepazu: Serrata: we wouldn't complain...
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2012-10-08 21:03:01 Serrata wishes to santa
2012-10-08 21:03:01 miketaylr: is there an open bug for http://www1.webplatform.org/robots.txt?
2012-10-08 21:03:14 ori-l: part
2012-10-08 21:03:17 Ryan_Lane: ok. sent an email in for more connections allowed from chat :)
2012-10-08 21:03:17 miketaylr: oh, is it commented out now?
2012-10-08 21:03:27 Ryan_Lane: miketaylr: I fixed it a couple hours aho
2012-10-08 21:03:34 miketaylr: Ryan_Lane: yay
2012-10-08 21:03:38 miketaylr: thx :)
2012-10-08 21:03:41 Ryan_Lane: yw
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2012-10-08 21:06:32 Tetriz: why? Why?! Why they've implemented this chat?! O_o
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2012-10-08 21:08:01 apnerve: Finally... back using Limechat
2012-10-08 21:08:09 apnerve: This seems lil better
2012-10-08 21:08:24 karlcow: :)
2012-10-08 21:08:27 paul_irish: limechat++
2012-10-08 21:08:30 Tetriz: what for?
2012-10-08 21:08:42 paul_irish: can anyone remind me what the mailing list is?
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2012-10-08 21:08:58 karlcow is using XChat Azure… but I'm old :p
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2012-10-08 21:09:33 noder: Tetriz: because IRC is the best chat ever
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2012-10-08 21:10:03 Defmoves: hello
2012-10-08 21:10:21 Ryan_Lane: Defmoves: hi there
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2012-10-08 21:10:56 Defmoves: well this is different
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2012-10-08 21:11:13 paul_irish: pdokas: sup b
2012-10-08 21:11:17 apnerve: mailing list for w3c discussions?
2012-10-08 21:11:20 apnerve: or WPD?
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2012-10-08 21:11:25 Zagor: Cool site..
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2012-10-08 21:11:38 Defmoves: yeah this is smart
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2012-10-08 21:11:39 Tetriz: no really. isn't the http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/ not enough?
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2012-10-08 21:11:39 Karmaon: Tetriz: i don't want to signup for a darn forum account!
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: if you'll take a look to the forum - you'll find that you can write w/o registration
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2012-10-08 21:11:40 Karmaon: Tetriz: oops :P
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: =)))
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: this is why I'm asking: WHY?
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Karmaon: irc is more of a hangout
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: good reason.
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Karmaon: and forums are sslllooow
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: especially if there are dozenz of nothing writing users =)
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: slow? what do you mean?
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Karmaon: i won't get a instant response like i would here
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2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: "instant response" - is a Pro (unless you dont' have F5), but here you dont have a full history of any topic
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2012-10-08 21:11:40 astropirate: How is webplatform diffrent from Mozilla's  MDN?
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: hallo Warumich. bist du aus DE?
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2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: @astropirate: "Yeah, well, I'm gonna go build my own WEBPLATFORM, with blackjack and hookers."
2012-10-08 21:11:40 astropirate: Tetriz, huu?
2012-10-08 21:11:40 astropirate: ohh
2012-10-08 21:11:40 astropirate: lol
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Tetriz: (c) Bender
2012-10-08 21:11:40 Karmaon: btw google apps is pretty awesome
2012-10-08 21:11:40 astropirate: I bring it up because MDN has very good documentation for all of these technologies and it says what browsers/platforms support thema nd what version
2012-10-08 21:11:46 Tetriz: so basically they just build Webplaform, cause they were missing such a cool things like chat and Stackoverflow-like forum
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2012-10-08 21:11:53 Karmaon: netsplit?
2012-10-08 21:12:08 Karmaon: oh, web client noobs :P
2012-10-08 21:12:13 Steve_Far: yeah agreed, MDN is a great resource
2012-10-08 21:12:14 astropirate: did we just have a netssplit?
2012-10-08 21:12:17 apnerve: May be all Chrome/Opera people don't contribute much on MDN?
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2012-10-08 21:12:27 Tetriz: uuu. this chat makes me crazy
2012-10-08 21:12:29 astropirate: or net-merge more like :p
2012-10-08 21:12:33 apnerve: So  a common platform would be better
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2012-10-08 21:12:37 chris_cook: is it worth contributing to mdn then?
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2012-10-08 21:12:42 apnerve: I guess so
2012-10-08 21:13:13 webp1atformmarv: viva le webplatform! this is marvin mitchell @ nbcuniversal / oxygen media. excited to be here.
2012-10-08 21:13:17 miketaylr: chris_cook: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/10/welcoming-the-new-kid-web-platform-docs/
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2012-10-08 21:14:06 NickyZ: So I spent a few moments to fill in this: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/Properties, only to find this: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/Properties a moment later...
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2012-10-08 21:14:12 chris_cook: mikeyaylr: read that, but it feels like one will end up being kept more up-to-date than the other
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2012-10-08 21:14:21 Steve_Far: so far w3schools.com is more informative then webplatform.com
2012-10-08 21:14:27 apnerve: LOL
2012-10-08 21:14:30 apnerve: w3fools
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2012-10-08 21:14:43 Steve_Far: lol
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2012-10-08 21:14:50 Tetriz: thank you - WebPlatform. You have increased an entropy of this universe.
2012-10-08 21:14:51 J_A_X: Steve_Far, at least webplatform doesn't give you wrong information
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2012-10-08 21:15:04 Steve_Far: true
2012-10-08 21:15:07 apnerve: and for the record, it is still in alpha
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2012-10-08 21:15:25 apnerve: and people are yet to contribute to make it a complete resource
2012-10-08 21:15:29 Steve_Far: i support anything that pushes w3schools furthor down in search results
2012-10-08 21:15:35 J_A_X: agreed
2012-10-08 21:15:39 apnerve: +1
2012-10-08 21:15:39 J_A_X: 'it needs to die
2012-10-08 21:15:52 Tetriz: @ J_A_X - if you'll take a look to the forum, you'll find out that Webplatform doesn't gives any kind of info
2012-10-08 21:15:59 alex90: but i love w3schools... they're my fav!!!!
2012-10-08 21:16:03 apnerve: I always add -w3schools  while searching
2012-10-08 21:16:45 Tetriz: I'll not sleep tonight
2012-10-08 21:16:46 J_A_X: Tetriz, what are you talking about?!
2012-10-08 21:16:52 J_A_X: the docs isn't info?
2012-10-08 21:17:03 Steve_Far: i understand its in alpha, but the conundrum is that no one is going to use it as a resource without any resources. THey handed us a big homework project
2012-10-08 21:17:04 Tetriz: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/
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2012-10-08 21:17:47 J_A_X: wait, what?!
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2012-10-08 21:18:07 J_A_X: you're complaining that because it just started, and the forum isn't filled with questions, that it isn't helping?!
2012-10-08 21:18:25 jkomoros: Steve_Far: Don't worry, the various organizations who helped start this are going to be participating very actively
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2012-10-08 21:18:35 Tetriz: I'm not complaining. just commenting your comment :)
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2012-10-08 21:18:40 Steve_Far: good to hear jkmoros
2012-10-08 21:18:41 jkomoros: And helping folks in the community get involved and productive, too
2012-10-08 21:18:48 apnerve: :)
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2012-10-08 21:19:08 daleharvey: its not really a conundrum, its how everything starts
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2012-10-08 21:19:21 chris_cook: just got to keep the momentum
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2012-10-08 21:19:42 Voldemort: ку ку
2012-10-08 21:19:50 jkomoros: chris_cook: Yep, we welcome all the help we can get
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2012-10-08 21:19:54 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: whats up
2012-10-08 21:19:56 Tetriz: привет
2012-10-08 21:19:59 darren: great work on this site, nerds. It's about time we moved all the worlds great resources to one place.
2012-10-08 21:20:02 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: a pretty geek
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2012-10-08 21:20:13 Steve_Far: I wouldn't mind if they syndicated some more content from MDN or html5 rocks, etc
2012-10-08 21:20:14 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: im looking for a sexy girl
2012-10-08 21:20:26 jkomoros: We've got a (starter) list of hackathons in the future here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Community_Events
2012-10-08 21:20:41 jkomoros: We hope that more folks will organize others, and we'll be organizing some, too
2012-10-08 21:20:41 Voldemort: >> a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa
2012-10-08 21:20:51 Voldemort: look on your left hand
2012-10-08 21:20:53 jkomoros: Steve_Far: There's actually a lot of HTML5Rocks content already
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2012-10-08 21:20:58 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:01 Tetriz: now Apple will patent a logo of this organization and fight vs Google
2012-10-08 21:21:02 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: someone wants to join me?
2012-10-08 21:21:08 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:09 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:10 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:10 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:11 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:11 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:12 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:12 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:13 NickyZ: a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: go away
2012-10-08 21:21:13 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:14 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:14 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:15 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:15 ryansstuff slaps a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 21:21:16 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:16 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:16 json: asl?
2012-10-08 21:21:16 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:17 ibiwan: heh
2012-10-08 21:21:18 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:22 ibiwan: I have a trigger on "halo"
2012-10-08 21:21:22 Steve_Far: lol
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2012-10-08 21:21:25 ryansstuff slaps a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 21:21:37 ryansstuff slaps a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-08 21:21:37 ibiwan: so this channel just LIT up for me
2012-10-08 21:21:41 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:42 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:43 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:44 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:45 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:46 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:46 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:46 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:47 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:48 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:48 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:49 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:51 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:51 Ryan_Lane: shepazu, paul_irish: ^^
2012-10-08 21:21:52 NickyZ: Someone kick him
2012-10-08 21:21:52 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
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2012-10-08 21:21:53 Tetriz: irc geeks....
2012-10-08 21:21:53 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:55 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:56 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:57 daleharvey: ping paul_irish
2012-10-08 21:21:57 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:57 ryansstuff: where the admins?
2012-10-08 21:21:59 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:59 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:21:59 Voldemort: like a baby :D
2012-10-08 21:22:00 a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa: looking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halolooking to kill some noobs on halo
2012-10-08 21:22:01 Tetriz: yeah baby
2012-10-08 21:22:03 Tetriz: do it
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2012-10-08 21:22:07 Karmaon: ol
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2012-10-08 21:22:08 Tetriz: do it again
2012-10-08 21:22:08 karlcow did/ignore a_aaaaaaaaaaaaa CHAN
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2012-10-08 21:22:13 paul_irish: thx for the ping
2012-10-08 21:22:13 Karmaon: lol
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2012-10-08 21:22:20 Tetriz: moreeeeeeeeeeee
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2012-10-08 21:22:32 Ryan_Lane: thanks for the ops
2012-10-08 21:22:51 Jayflux: wow thats a lot of people
2012-10-08 21:22:55 Karmaon: slow and painful punishment
2012-10-08 21:23:01 Karmaon: first the quiet, then the ban and kick
2012-10-08 21:23:01 NickyZ: Thanks Paul and shepazu
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2012-10-08 21:23:16 paul_irish: Karmaon: :)
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2012-10-08 21:23:43 shepazu: how many noobs can you kill on halo with html5?
2012-10-08 21:23:50 shepazu: a lot, apparently
2012-10-08 21:23:50 NickyZ: lol
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2012-10-08 21:24:02 Wilto: Deep down, aren’t we _all_ just looking to kill some noobs on Halo?
2012-10-08 21:24:06 Karmaon: shepazu: the possibilities are infinite with zombo.com!
2012-10-08 21:24:08 Wilto: I know I am.
2012-10-08 21:24:20 shepazu: welcome to zombo.com!
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2012-10-08 21:24:35 Karmaon: s/zombo.com/html5zombo.com
2012-10-08 21:24:37 shepazu: hey, Wilto
2012-10-08 21:24:45 Wilto: Hey; how goes it?
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2012-10-08 21:24:53 shepazu: it goes
2012-10-08 21:24:59 Ryan_Lane: gonna have to ban someone already, eh?
2012-10-08 21:25:00 Ryan_Lane: :)
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2012-10-08 21:25:09 Karmaon: Ryan_Lane: why?
2012-10-08 21:25:13 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: he done been banned
2012-10-08 21:25:19 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-08 21:25:26 apnerve: Is wilto Ethan Marcotte?
2012-10-08 21:25:39 shepazu: no, I am Ethan Marcotte!
2012-10-08 21:25:50 Wilto: Who isn’t Ethan Marcotte nowadays.
2012-10-08 21:25:54 shepazu: or Spartacus...
2012-10-08 21:25:56 apnerve: LOL
2012-10-08 21:26:06 Karmaon: Ryan_Lane: please tell me what I did wrong, so i can go into the corner and have my timeout :)
2012-10-08 21:26:10 NickyZ: Boston... Geez I love that place.
2012-10-08 21:26:16 Ryan_Lane: hah. I thought you were spamming
2012-10-08 21:26:17 Karmaon: perhaps a tinfoil hat
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2012-10-08 21:26:21 Wilto: No, I’m Mat Marquis. Filament Group, Move the Web Forward, ongoing `picture` crusade, etc.
2012-10-08 21:26:37 exko: part
2012-10-08 21:26:38 Wilto: Beat Mega Man 2 without losing a life—that guy.
2012-10-08 21:26:57 shepazu is not really Ethan Marcotte, or even Spartacus
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2012-10-08 21:27:24 paul_irish: Wilto: hi mat!
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2012-10-08 21:27:33 Wilto: paul_irish: Hey bro.
2012-10-08 21:27:46 paul_irish: i was emo at luke's snarky tweet
2012-10-08 21:27:46 shepazu: Wilto: does your <picture> include a <caption> child? that would be handy
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2012-10-08 21:27:59 Wilto: shepazu: There be dragons.
2012-10-08 21:28:04 Wilto: Luke W?
2012-10-08 21:28:07 paul_irish: ya
2012-10-08 21:28:13 apnerve: Wrobelskie?
2012-10-08 21:28:20 Ryan_Lane: Karmaon: I'm already wearing a tinfoil hat
2012-10-08 21:28:23 apnerve: Damn! tough spelling
2012-10-08 21:28:25 Wilto: Oh, stuff breakin’ on mobile-ish sizes.
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2012-10-08 21:28:30 paul_irish: right
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2012-10-08 21:29:03 Wilto: shepazu: There was talk of <desc>, which is ISSUE-30: longdesc territory. I left it at “whenever and however that’s solved, we’re into it.”
2012-10-08 21:29:12 Wilto: OS this mug; lemme fix it.
2012-10-08 21:29:34 NickyZ: Is there any plans to open the source for the site?
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2012-10-08 21:29:48 NickyZ: it would be cool to open for community engagement.
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2012-10-08 21:30:59 paul_irish: yeah i'd love to see a nice way to opensource the CSS and templates, though most of it is managed through wiki version control.
2012-10-08 21:31:02 shepazu: NickyZ: it's all open source already!
2012-10-08 21:31:16 NickyZ: I see.
2012-10-08 21:31:21 Wilto: Oh, hm.
2012-10-08 21:31:23 NickyZ: shepazu: Github?
2012-10-08 21:31:32 shepazu: NickyZ: view source
2012-10-08 21:31:36 NickyZ: lol
2012-10-08 21:31:39 apnerve: haha
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2012-10-08 21:31:43 NickyZ: yea, that is one way
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2012-10-08 21:31:52 Wilto: Zip that sucker up and email it over.
2012-10-08 21:32:00 NickyZ: Does the site use a preprocessor?
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2012-10-08 21:32:18 shepazu: NickyZ: I think the wiki does do some munging
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2012-10-08 21:32:31 shepazu: but we don't use LESS or anything
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2012-10-08 21:32:39 NickyZ: That helps
2012-10-08 21:32:46 apnerve: Wish the wiki had Mardown syntax support
2012-10-08 21:32:52 apnerve: markdown*
2012-10-08 21:33:00 NickyZ: It is a very nice design... team effort or notably one person?
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2012-10-08 21:33:09 chris_cook: i think the site looked a bit wonky on my nexus 7 earlier
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2012-10-08 21:33:39 apnerve: I love the "Getting Started" flowchart
2012-10-08 21:33:56 shepazu: NickyZ: team effort
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2012-10-08 21:34:06 NickyZ: shepazu: Awesome.
2012-10-08 21:34:08 pax: part
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2012-10-08 21:34:18 NickyZ: Well done none the less
2012-10-08 21:34:30 shepazu: but yeah, some notable designs by some Adobe folks, mostly
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2012-10-08 21:34:43 NickyZ: I know the community has been talking about a W3schools killer for some time.
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2012-10-08 21:35:11 apnerve: Why kill a dead rat?
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2012-10-08 21:35:18 shepazu: we didn't set out to "beat" any other site… just to make our site the best it can be
2012-10-08 21:35:22 NickyZ: I was thinking that Chris over @ CSS-Tricks would take the lead with his Almanac, but this might beat him out.
2012-10-08 21:35:25 apnerve: Nobody references W3schools these days anyway
2012-10-08 21:35:41 cheilmann: apnerve: I wished that were true
2012-10-08 21:35:45 NickyZ: apnerve: you would be surprised!
2012-10-08 21:35:52 cheilmann: I see it in schoolbooks
2012-10-08 21:35:56 apnerve: Chris Heilmann?
2012-10-08 21:35:58 Jayflux: apnerve people still do unfortunately
2012-10-08 21:35:59 cheilmann: yes
2012-10-08 21:36:01 apnerve: Wow!!!
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2012-10-08 21:36:05 astearns: The "Getting Started" flowchart should be an image map - click the "Style Guide" box to go to the guide instead of searching for the link at the bottom of the page
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2012-10-08 21:36:25 cheilmann: actually I did edit a book that is used in US schools as a tech editor and removed a lot of w3schools references
2012-10-08 21:36:26 cheilmann: :)
2012-10-08 21:36:35 apnerve: Damn!
2012-10-08 21:36:37 cheilmann is now known as chrisheilmann
2012-10-08 21:36:40 apnerve: Lucky we don't have such books in India
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2012-10-08 21:37:15 NickyZ: This is a while ago now, but my school used to use it for HTML references
2012-10-08 21:37:20 apnerve: Most of us are self taught by hitting "view source" and reading stuff from SitePoint/MDN
2012-10-08 21:37:23 Wilto: Gross.
2012-10-08 21:37:32 chrisheilmann is now known as ChrisHeilmann
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2012-10-08 21:37:49 Wilto: This is why I don’t read anything ever: for fear of encountering a W3Schools reference.
2012-10-08 21:37:50 pdokas: Read error: Connection reset by peer
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2012-10-08 21:37:59 apnerve: LOL
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2012-10-08 21:38:07 Wilto: Newspapers, blogs, cereal boxes; nothin’.
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2012-10-08 21:38:29 ChrisHeilmann: I read Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde this morning. Didn't have any references so far, I think I am safe.
2012-10-08 21:38:36 Wilto: _Yet_.
2012-10-08 21:38:42 Wilto: Also: long time no see, ChrisHeilmann.
2012-10-08 21:38:49 ChrisHeilmann: Also was free on project guttenberg :)
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2012-10-08 21:39:31 ChrisHeilmann: I like that the web interface sets +b on people: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-08 21:39:38 ChrisHeilmann: maybe something to check
2012-10-08 21:39:51 apnerve: "The prestige of Web Developers" == webplatform.  What say Chris?
2012-10-08 21:40:18 shepazu: ChrisHeilmann: pray enlighten me, what's that mean?
2012-10-08 21:40:35 ChrisHeilmann: try to use the web interface and it goes poopoo on you
2012-10-08 21:40:46 apnerve: haha
2012-10-08 21:40:47 apnerve: true
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2012-10-08 21:42:04 ChrisHeilmann: shepazu: http://i.imgur.com/U6R2Z.png
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2012-10-08 21:42:33 Jayflux: im off, speak soon all
2012-10-08 21:42:41 ChrisHeilmann: I think it was high time we all work together.
2012-10-08 21:42:41 shepazu: seeya
2012-10-08 21:42:47 apnerve: sherbet powder submari??
2012-10-08 21:42:47 ChrisHeilmann: so this is awesome
2012-10-08 21:42:51 ChrisHeilmann: ah
2012-10-08 21:43:02 ChrisHeilmann: doing research for my talk at HTML5 devcon
2012-10-08 21:43:15 NickyZ: ChrisHeilmann: I have been screaming that to myself for years... no one listens I don't know why!
2012-10-08 21:43:17 apnerve: oh ok
2012-10-08 21:43:20 NickyZ: :)
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2012-10-08 21:43:55 ChrisHeilmann: in the first world war the British had the plan to train seals to deliver sherbet powder barrels under submarines and crack them so that the bubbles from the powder raise the submarine
2012-10-08 21:44:06 ChrisHeilmann: I love crazy research things like that :)
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2012-10-08 21:44:36 apnerve: :)
2012-10-08 21:44:54 chris_cook: i don't think anything was too ridiculous to be considered during the wars.
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2012-10-08 21:46:00 NickyZ: Quick Question...
2012-10-08 21:46:06 ChrisHeilmann: chris_cook: yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
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2012-10-08 21:46:20 NickyZ: The flowchart talks about "Tasks
2012-10-08 21:46:24 ChrisHeilmann: also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
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2012-10-08 21:46:30 NickyZ: Where are said Tasks?
2012-10-08 21:46:31 miketaylr: "goodbye cruel world"
2012-10-08 21:46:53 apnerve: Below the flowchart
2012-10-08 21:47:13 apnerve: 5 minutes, half-hour and half-day tasks
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2012-10-08 21:47:42 NickyZ: Note to self... scroll down before asking questions...
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2012-10-08 21:47:47 test_wp: \o/
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2012-10-08 21:48:10 chris_cook: ChrisHeilmann: i'd love to know what's being considered nowadays
2012-10-08 21:48:11 apnerve: @NickyZ :)
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2012-10-08 21:48:55 hey: hey
2012-10-08 21:48:57 ChrisHeilmann: deploying honey boo boo child to bring down the morale of any enemy
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2012-10-08 21:50:57 NickyZ: Another questions, as I figure out the navigation of the doc's
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2012-10-08 21:51:34 NickyZ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/[properties, Properties] both exist. Which version to use?
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2012-10-08 21:52:16 NickyZ: lowercase seems to be more accurate, but there are a lot of references to "Properties"
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2012-10-08 21:52:39 apnerve: Both are same right?
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2012-10-08 21:52:48 NickyZ: in technical terms, yes
2012-10-08 21:52:51 NickyZ: to the wiki, no
2012-10-08 21:52:58 Ryan_Lane: apnerve: mediawiki is case sensitive
2012-10-08 21:53:05 apnerve: ok
2012-10-08 21:53:11 Ryan_Lane: and subpages can have the first letter case sensitive as well
2012-10-08 21:53:11 ChrisHeilmann: if I typed the URL I wouldn't use uppercase
2012-10-08 21:53:21 dLog: Hi, can you please add the irc information to the chat page? I already have a irc client opened and connect to freenode, why not tell me the server and channel directly instead of a web client only?
2012-10-08 21:53:22 NickyZ: maybe "a lot" is an overstatement
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2012-10-08 21:53:34 NickyZ: But none the less
2012-10-08 21:53:35 apnerve: Freenode
2012-10-08 21:53:35 dLog: btw I had to find out the room by opening the log
2012-10-08 21:53:40 apnerve: with the #webplatform channel
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2012-10-08 21:54:29 apnerve: how do we @mention anyone?
2012-10-08 21:54:35 apnerve: @Ryan_Lane : testing..
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2012-10-08 21:54:42 NetJunky: Test
2012-10-08 21:54:55 helloworld: TestMsg
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2012-10-08 21:55:20 NetJunky: apnerve: I guess just by placing the name before msg.
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2012-10-08 21:55:24 dLog: You, uh, don't need to @ anything on irc. Just say their alias and if they have some form of highlighting enabled they'll be notified.
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2012-10-08 21:55:39 apnerve: NetJunky : like this?
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2012-10-08 21:55:57 NetJunky: apnerve: yep.
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2012-10-08 21:56:00 terndybitch: Why all the questions on the "forum" seem so dumb?
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2012-10-08 21:56:40 dLog: terndybitch, Looks like a stackexchange clone. They should put an option to filter by points.
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2012-10-08 21:56:52 NetJunky: terndybitch: usually new process looks like this. Give them some time. I think it will be fixed in time.
2012-10-08 21:56:56 apnerve: Not a stackexchange clone
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2012-10-08 21:56:58 shepazu: dLog: good idea
2012-10-08 21:57:02 apnerve: question2answer
2012-10-08 21:57:12 apnerve: But I like Stack
2012-10-08 21:57:29 dLog: I didn't mean clone in the source code clone sense, just in the generic lookalike sense.
2012-10-08 21:57:36 apnerve: ok
2012-10-08 21:57:50 dLog: and I stand by it
2012-10-08 21:57:57 julio_ody: part
2012-10-08 21:58:04 apnerve: Yes you do :)
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2012-10-08 21:58:15 julio_ody: part
2012-10-08 21:58:30 NetJunky: I guess it is not so much about Q&A, rather docs I would say.
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2012-10-08 21:59:06 hooloovoo: Where can i find info on how to write a page?
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2012-10-08 21:59:15 hooloovoo: Like guidelines
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2012-10-08 21:59:22 dLog: a "page" ?
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2012-10-08 21:59:35 hooloovoo: dLog: yea, like a wiki page. or a article
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2012-10-08 21:59:44 hooloovoo: whatever you wanna call it
2012-10-08 21:59:47 af1n: does the M$ logo under WebGL logo on webplatform.org indicate that M$ will finally kill IE ?
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2012-10-08 22:00:18 NickyZ: dLog: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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2012-10-08 22:00:31 NickyZ: dLog: Go there and you can learn about how to contribute
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2012-10-08 22:00:43 dLog: There you go hooloovoo
2012-10-08 22:00:52 dLog: I didn't ask NickyZ, hooloovoo did
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2012-10-08 22:01:10 hooloovoo: sweet, ty!
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2012-10-08 22:01:22 NickyZ: Read the chat log wrong
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2012-10-08 22:01:23 NickyZ: Sorry
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2012-10-08 22:02:18 maadev: hello the best peoples in around the world
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2012-10-08 22:02:32 NickyZ: maadev: depends on who you ask
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2012-10-08 22:02:34 apnerve: hi maadev
2012-10-08 22:02:35 NickyZ: :)
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2012-10-08 22:03:24 shepazu: hi, maadev… I'm not one of the best people in the world, but I am *one* of the people in the world
2012-10-08 22:03:38 apnerve: hehe
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2012-10-08 22:03:55 TahVenNee: what's up people?
2012-10-08 22:03:59 maadev: I don't mean any thing
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2012-10-08 22:04:07 ChrisHeilmann: there ^
2012-10-08 22:04:09 maadev: I am just loving you
2012-10-08 22:04:10 ChrisHeilmann: that's up
2012-10-08 22:04:19 maadev: web devlopers
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2012-10-08 22:04:27 NickyZ: Here is a general question.  I write about 5% JavaScript and really I write jQuery Javascript.  Does anyone write pure JS anymore?
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2012-10-08 22:04:31 Killswitch: Hey guys, channel is growing good.. I was looking over the site and then came afross an article saying who's all behind it
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2012-10-08 22:04:51 Killswitch: Says Microsoft… Arent they one of the worst abusers of not following standards?
2012-10-08 22:04:58 Daniel____: Hello
2012-10-08 22:05:05 apnerve: Don't judge a book by its cover
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2012-10-08 22:05:16 paul_irish: Killswitch: actually with ie9 and ie10 they tend to be closer to the standards of all browsers
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2012-10-08 22:05:29 LoveGravy: Hello
2012-10-08 22:05:29 apnerve: Some of the awesome folks were from Microsoft btw.. Rey bango, Tantek ceilik etc..
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2012-10-08 22:05:30 Killswitch: paul_irish: good to hear.
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2012-10-08 22:05:35 LoveGravy: Hello
2012-10-08 22:05:36 paul_irish: NickyZ: today that topic is probably off topic. :) #web is good for that though
2012-10-08 22:05:46 ChrisHeilmann: Killswitch: you'll find that Microsoft actually to a lot of standards work and are most strict about supporting standards rather than innovating for one browser.
2012-10-08 22:05:47 mtangolics: MS has had some bad history, but they seem to be turning things around
2012-10-08 22:05:56 NickyZ: paul_irish: Noted.
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2012-10-08 22:06:08 ChrisHeilmann: NickyZ: also, yes. People do - a lot.
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2012-10-08 22:06:15 mtangolics: this project alone encourages me... to see all the major web companies collaborating on community documentation
2012-10-08 22:06:26 Killswitch: ChrisHeilmann: I haven't followed Microsoft's progress much, I'm going mostly off what I knew previously, and that was that they mostly decided what and how they wanted to do things instead of following the standards.
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2012-10-08 22:06:35 apnerve: 'm not sleeping today.. Too excited about contributing
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2012-10-08 22:07:35 LoveGravy: I seriously thought no one would be in here
2012-10-08 22:07:42 Booster: me to
2012-10-08 22:07:43 kaysix: Hi !
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2012-10-08 22:07:46 LoveGravy: Hi everybody
2012-10-08 22:07:52 lolzzz: zoz
2012-10-08 22:07:54 Booster is now known as Guest29394
2012-10-08 22:08:04 Guest29394: fuck this :D
2012-10-08 22:08:06 Guest29394: man
2012-10-08 22:08:07 lolzzz: disconnect
2012-10-08 22:08:07 ChrisHeilmann: Killswitch: so here is a good opportunity to brush up on new info instead of repeating tired truisms.
2012-10-08 22:08:08 Killswitch: LoveGravy: I joined early this morning and there was only 80 or so people.
2012-10-08 22:08:12 LoveGravy: Talk geeky to me
2012-10-08 22:08:35 Guest29394: where do you all come from ?
2012-10-08 22:08:39 Guest29394: im from germany
2012-10-08 22:08:46 damienklinnert: germany
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2012-10-08 22:08:48 LoveGravy: Sweet, another community for me to follow kills witch
2012-10-08 22:08:54 kaysix: Paris for me :)
2012-10-08 22:08:54 mtangolics: Guest29394: work, in Colorado =)
2012-10-08 22:08:57 ChrisHeilmann: Killswitch: I'd go so far as to say that Microsoft plays a major part in what we need to achieve, as if you look around what users have they aren't mac laptops and desktops.
2012-10-08 22:09:08 Killswitch: ChrisHeilmann: sadly I have no real motivation to brush up on any new stuff going on with IE until the most used version is at least 9.
2012-10-08 22:09:31 Guest29394: does anybody work for the companys which are invited in this project ?
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2012-10-08 22:09:42 Ryan_Lane: a number of people here do
2012-10-08 22:09:46 Ryan_Lane does not
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2012-10-08 22:09:48 mtangolics: all the ops do as well as a number of others
2012-10-08 22:09:51 apnerve: I love MicroSoft for 3 things - Age Of Empires, Office and Kinect
2012-10-08 22:09:54 Killswitch: ChrisHeilmann: don't get me wrong, not hating on Microsoft as a whole, I love their work, just IE.
2012-10-08 22:10:06 paul_irish: apnerve: lol AOE. <3  choson rush!
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2012-10-08 22:10:15 Guest29394: okay, another question, what kind of job do you all have ?
2012-10-08 22:10:20 Guest29394: im a web developer
2012-10-08 22:10:27 ChrisHeilmann: No, really?
2012-10-08 22:10:29 paul_irish: Guest29394:  type /nick yournewnick
2012-10-08 22:10:34 Guest29394: but i study it managment
2012-10-08 22:10:40 Killswitch: Guest29394: also pick one that isn't registered ;)
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2012-10-08 22:10:45 LoveGravy: I m a front end dev
2012-10-08 22:10:56 Guest29394 is now known as BoosterFromGerma
2012-10-08 22:11:07 Killswitch: I'm a pirate. I sail the seas pillaging and drinking rum.
2012-10-08 22:11:14 LoveGravy: I build android apps for fun
2012-10-08 22:11:17 apnerve: Web developer (but others call me UI Developer/ Front-end developer/ UX Engineer blah blah)
2012-10-08 22:11:19 NickyZ: Systems Analyst.
2012-10-08 22:11:27 BoosterFromGerma: nice job @KillSwitch
2012-10-08 22:11:31 kaysix: kill" > me too !
2012-10-08 22:11:31 Killswitch: Thanks.
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2012-10-08 22:11:39 LoveGravy: I can't wait for galaxy note 2
2012-10-08 22:11:47 tsingh: USA Oregon. love the pacific nw.
2012-10-08 22:11:50 apnerve: I want to be like Chris.. Developer Evangelist
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2012-10-08 22:12:04 mtangolics: Is there a reason the Apple logo isn't at the bottom of the page? Didn't realize they were part of this until I went to the Stewards page
2012-10-08 22:12:04 ChrisHeilmann: It is a full-time job
2012-10-08 22:12:07 BoosterFromGerma: my co-worker already has the new note 2 ... its great ... very great :D
2012-10-08 22:12:09 tsingh: i think my title is grunt developer
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2012-10-08 22:12:17 tsingh: or newbie
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2012-10-08 22:12:19 tsingh: hehe
2012-10-08 22:12:20 LoveGravy: I wish I had the mental capacity to be that awesome
2012-10-08 22:12:30 apnerve: paul_irish: You play AOE?
2012-10-08 22:12:31 Killswitch: Anybody can be that awesome.
2012-10-08 22:12:36 LoveGravy: Lol
2012-10-08 22:12:38 ChrisHeilmann: good thing my partner is very forgiving - actually she is right now coding a JavaScript game for a training course she'll give next week :)
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2012-10-08 22:12:41 paul_irish: apnerve: did 10yr ago
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2012-10-08 22:13:11 LoveGravy: Is that the real pail Irish?
2012-10-08 22:13:15 Killswitch: Nope
2012-10-08 22:13:18 Killswitch: Fake Paul
2012-10-08 22:13:31 Killswitch: It's new AI I am working on using Assembly and Pixie Sticks
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2012-10-08 22:13:54 pieterjann: im a gay web develloper
2012-10-08 22:13:58 BoosterFromGerma: it was nice for me to meet ya all ... but now i have to go, u have to get up early  ^^ have a nice day to the usa, and have a good night to the european people in here =)
2012-10-08 22:14:12 Killswitch: pieterjann: congrats, but I'm sure sexual preference isn't an issue here.
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2012-10-08 22:14:39 pieterjann: thanks
2012-10-08 22:14:47 hooloovoo: Umm, can anyone give me a hint if i'm doing this right? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/objects/Date
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2012-10-08 22:15:24 ChrisHeilmann: oh wow this retina screen is much better with clean glasses
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2012-10-08 22:15:37 Killswitch: Haha
2012-10-08 22:15:44 paul_irish: hooloovoo: this looks good to me. cc shepazu ^
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2012-10-08 22:16:10 shepazu: Killswitch: I can say that this site would not have happened if it were not for Microsoft (among others)
2012-10-08 22:16:22 Killswitch: shepazu: good to hear.
2012-10-08 22:16:25 hooloovoo: paul_irish: Sweet. I'll keep doing stuff tomorrow then. Now i'm gonna pass out on the bed. o7
2012-10-08 22:16:38 Killswitch: o7
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2012-10-08 22:16:41 Killswitch: Is that a salute?
2012-10-08 22:16:41 shepazu: hooloovoo++
2012-10-08 22:16:52 apnerve: Damn! It's 3:46 AM here.
2012-10-08 22:16:53 mtangolics: shepazu: which data sources were used to generate the base info? I saw MSDN and W3C so far
2012-10-08 22:16:57 apnerve: I'll better catch some sleep.
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2012-10-08 22:17:03 apnerve: Will edit few docs on CSS tomorrow
2012-10-08 22:17:24 shepazu: mtangolics: MSDN, W3C, HTML5Rocks, Opera, Facebook, mostly
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2012-10-08 22:17:33 shepazu: some MDN
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2012-10-08 22:17:55 shepazu: maybe more MDN than I know...
2012-10-08 22:18:11 NickyZ: shepazu: Who is paying for this site?
2012-10-08 22:18:13 mtangolics: ah cool
2012-10-08 22:18:17 apnerve: SitePoint also has some good reference.
2012-10-08 22:18:21 apnerve: So does dev.opera
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2012-10-08 22:18:27 ChrisHeilmann: woohoo unprefixing time of animations and transitions tomorrow.
2012-10-08 22:18:29 shepazu: SitePoint is an excellent reference
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2012-10-08 22:18:48 apnerve: Does anyone remember Digital-web ?
2012-10-08 22:18:49 mtangolics: I imagine most of the quirksmode data will get put in here as well
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2012-10-08 22:18:56 apnerve: I used to refer that a lot long back
2012-10-08 22:19:11 apnerve: also Douglas Bowman and Dave Shea's blogs.
2012-10-08 22:19:12 ChrisHeilmann: apnerve: yeah, one of my all-time favourite magazines
2012-10-08 22:19:15 shepazu: NickyZ: the stewards are paying for it… also, if you are using the web IRC client, we are charging your credit card by the minute
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2012-10-08 22:19:22 apnerve: They seem dead now  (blogs I mean)
2012-10-08 22:19:28 paul_irish: mtangolics: ppk already said his future tables willbe here
2012-10-08 22:19:31 NickyZ: shepazu: LimeChate for me :)
2012-10-08 22:19:35 NickyZ: Chat*
2012-10-08 22:19:44 shepazu: NickyZ: then you get a free ride
2012-10-08 22:19:44 mtangolics: good to hear, paul
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2012-10-08 22:20:04 NickyZ: shepazu: Free... I like free.
2012-10-08 22:20:06 mtangolics: shepazu: I knew that credit card form on the chat page was suspicious...
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2012-10-08 22:21:04 ChrisHeilmann: actually most of the money will be from shepazu plays the pan flute albums that are mandatory to buy when you enter the page
2012-10-08 22:21:08 shepazu: mtangolics: it's the new <input type="creditcard"> from HTML6
2012-10-08 22:21:12 ChrisHeilmann: I am working on the cover art as we speak
2012-10-08 22:21:16 apnerve: I had one thought about how JS should be included on a page.. dunno if this is the right place to discuss about it
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2012-10-08 22:21:30 apnerve: HTML6 LOL!!
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2012-10-08 22:22:07 ChrisHeilmann: HTML6 seems a work in progress http://html6spec.com/
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2012-10-08 22:23:04 apnerve: I thought further improvements in HTML would still be part of HTML5 and there won't be HTML6
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2012-10-08 22:23:17 ChrisHeilmann: Dear me, some people have too much free time https://github.com/OscarGodson/HTML6
2012-10-08 22:23:32 apnerve: Holy molly!
2012-10-08 22:23:34 ChrisHeilmann: apnerve: yes, these are all joke sites
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2012-10-08 22:24:39 apnerve: OscarGodson's got nice sense of humour
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2012-10-08 22:24:58 chaasof: ( W3C says HTML 5 will be finalized in 2014, HTML 5.1 to follow in 2016 http://bit.ly/P9w2ms)
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2012-10-08 22:32:01 iMac: Habr?
2012-10-08 22:32:34 Craig: What's the forum http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/ powered by? Does any one know?
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2012-10-08 22:33:43 apnerve: Craig: http://www.question2answer.org/
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2012-10-08 22:34:05 Craig: apnerve: Looks really cool. Thank you!
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2012-10-08 22:34:35 NickyZ: tcarneal14: Hi
2012-10-08 22:34:45 egghead: shows how much of a difference css can make :)
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2012-10-08 22:38:48 benbyford: is this site really needed with the likes of stackoverflow and w3school etc?
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2012-10-08 22:38:58 paul_irish: yes
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2012-10-08 22:39:08 apnerve: Definitely yes
2012-10-08 22:39:18 benbyford: y?
2012-10-08 22:39:26 apnerve: LOL.. how could you compare w3schools with this one? :-o
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2012-10-08 22:39:50 benbyford: or the many many over websites ()just an example
2012-10-08 22:40:01 benbyford: just wondering what the point was?
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2012-10-08 22:40:28 benbyford: as it wasn;'t clear from the video
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2012-10-08 22:40:35 tsingh: IMO. you get the befit of the industry leaders working together on this site. yet the site itself remains independent.
2012-10-08 22:40:45 tsingh: run by the community
2012-10-08 22:41:02 benbyford: soooo industry leaders are everywhere on teh internet
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2012-10-08 22:41:27 benbyford: and where do you need them anyways? i know shed loads of talented people who dont have their name in lights
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2012-10-08 22:41:54 harryrf: I see no names listed on the site.
2012-10-08 22:41:56 benbyford: just seems like alot of effort for .... what?
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2012-10-08 22:42:22 apnerve: benbyford:  This is still an alpha
2012-10-08 22:42:34 apnerve: Will take some time
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2012-10-08 22:42:43 benbyford: yes....
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2012-10-08 22:42:46 benbyford: but for what?!!!
2012-10-08 22:42:56 apnerve: and yes, there are many good resources scattered all over.. This is an attempt to put it at one place
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2012-10-08 22:42:58 benbyford: thats my point, what are we building here??? more DOCS?!
2012-10-08 22:43:00 apnerve: open community of developers building resources for a better web, regardless of brand, browser or platform
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2012-10-08 22:43:23 apnerve: not "more" ... aggregating at one place for reference
2012-10-08 22:43:26 ChrisHeilmann: benbyford: the point is that it is one resource where the companies building browsers and working on the standards have a centralised documentation.
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2012-10-08 22:43:42 ChrisHeilmann: rather than confusing people who want to learn with a mix of marketing and information
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2012-10-08 22:44:19 Chat_do_not_hav: horrible chat room
2012-10-08 22:44:25 ChrisHeilmann: and if you really consider stack overflow a _learning_ resource, try to ask a single JavaScript question without getting "use jQuery" as the answer.
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2012-10-08 22:45:02 ChrisHeilmann: Chat_do_not_hav: how can you say that? We just put up the curtains and cleaned the floor!
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2012-10-08 22:45:58 bsuv: hwy where are the standardized schema.o markuprg resources?
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2012-10-08 22:46:32 benbyford: well, have fun with your docs guys.
2012-10-08 22:46:43 apnerve: yours too
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2012-10-08 22:48:54 shepazu: "what are we building here??? more DOCS?!" … who's this "we"? does "we" include people who don't intend to help?
2012-10-08 22:49:29 imjakechapman: Liking this idea so far...
2012-10-08 22:49:29 Kaelig: Hi people building the interwebs
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2012-10-08 22:49:47 shepazu: hi, Kaelig
2012-10-08 22:49:49 ChrisHeilmann: shepazu: sadly, yes. They amount to the spam sites in a wiki :(
2012-10-08 22:49:50 shepazu: hi, imjakechapman
2012-10-08 22:49:54 ChrisHeilmann: lo Kaelig
2012-10-08 22:50:07 imjakechapman: hi
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2012-10-08 22:50:46 shepazu: we've got a long way to go, but it's looking good… lots of friendly offers of help, lots of people pitching in already
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2012-10-08 22:51:09 ChrisHeilmann: case in point - the top question http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/
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2012-10-08 22:51:27 Kaelig: hey there ChrisHeilmann, a day will come when we will meet in person :p
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2012-10-08 22:51:32 Kaelig: if you're at Paris Web for example :)
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2012-10-08 22:51:55 imjakechapman: so how do you contribute?
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2012-10-08 22:51:57 ChrisHeilmann: but yes, we have to take this in stride. just because trolls are loud doesn't make them the most powerful creatures in the magic web forest
2012-10-08 22:52:06 ChrisHeilmann: I might have taken that image a tad far
2012-10-08 22:52:11 jkomoros: imjakechapman: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-08 22:52:24 jkomoros: there's tasks on there that take five minutes, half an hour, and multiple hours
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2012-10-08 22:54:18 harryrf: I haven't been through all of the pages yet, but so far, good job guys, I see this becoming larger in due time.
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2012-10-08 22:54:37 jkomoros: harryf: Thanks! I hope you'll help us improve it
2012-10-08 22:54:49 jkomoros: We have a long way to go, but I'm pumped. :-)
2012-10-08 22:55:06 jarek: is "Web Platform" the new buzzword?
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2012-10-08 22:56:20 harryrf: Anything that I am able to do, I will try my best. I will definitely be following progress from now on.
2012-10-08 22:56:20 pdr: jarek: it encompasses html5 and other tech
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2012-10-08 22:57:06 apnerve: Bye fellas. Catch you tomorrow
2012-10-08 22:57:07 Kaelig: Oh god this is already invaded by spammers :(
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2012-10-08 22:57:26 apnerve: Will probably edit few docs for CSS
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2012-10-08 22:59:46 jkomoros: apnerve: Let me know if you run into any problems
2012-10-08 23:00:16 Karmaon: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4628863
2012-10-08 23:00:26 Karmaon: For those of you who have Apple IDs, you're screwed.
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2012-10-08 23:02:43 shepazu: ChrisHeilmann: I've moderated the forums a bit
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2012-10-08 23:03:29 jkomoros: paul_irish: They might not be written down formally yet
2012-10-08 23:03:52 jkomoros: But briefly: use the "Standardization" form field appropriately. Put the thing at the right URL, minus any prefix.
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2012-10-08 23:05:27 oopoo: Hey
2012-10-08 23:05:27 jkomoros: paul_irish: And we should write those up in WPD:Policy or WPD:Style_Manual
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2012-10-08 23:05:44 jarek: pdr: yeah, but it is still a poor marketing term
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2012-10-08 23:05:46 shepazu: paul_irish: if it's truly proprietary, it should go under /proprietary/company
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2012-10-08 23:05:55 ChrisHeilmann: jkomoros: we have a few in MDN - let's ask sheppy
2012-10-08 23:05:56 jarek: like you can't say "Web Platform is better than Flash"
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2012-10-08 23:06:05 jarek: or "I would implement that banner in Web Platform"
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2012-10-08 23:06:23 paul_irish: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4628706 is why i asked
2012-10-08 23:06:46 jkomoros: Interesting
2012-10-08 23:06:49 ChrisHeilmann: jarek: really? Is this making you happy and fulfilled?
2012-10-08 23:07:04 shepazu: jarek: in the future, you will only say, "I will implement that banner"… the Open Web Platform part will be assumed :)
2012-10-08 23:07:26 harryrf: Is Web Platform working to be a new standard or just compile information into on site, or both?
2012-10-08 23:07:31 jkomoros: Hopefully http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Pillars will help address those concerns
2012-10-08 23:07:39 jkomoros: harryrf: Just compile information
2012-10-08 23:07:40 paul_irish: k
2012-10-08 23:07:49 paul_irish: ill comment.
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2012-10-08 23:08:10 harryrf: Okay I thought I misunderstood something there for a minute, but all is well :)
2012-10-08 23:08:11 jkomoros: Although ideally having a central place for documentation will help feed back into standardization discussions in the future
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2012-10-08 23:08:28 royw_: Anyone working on Filter Effects?
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2012-10-08 23:09:02 shepazu: harryrf: I know that some W3C Working Group members want to use webplatform.org to get feedback on new features for standardization
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2012-10-08 23:09:05 paulofonseca: what is this all about?
2012-10-08 23:09:23 jkomoros: paulofonseca: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-08 23:09:25 shepazu: royw_: I'm in the SVG WG, and I know a bit about filters
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2012-10-08 23:10:57 royw_: shepazu: cool!  I started hacking on them for the first time last night and I've got a few questions…are you guys looking at incorporating mouse location as a uniform?
2012-10-08 23:10:59 jarek: shepazu: will SVG support namespaces other than XHTML and MathML?
2012-10-08 23:11:06 shepazu changed topic to: WebPlatform ::  FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 23:11:32 shepazu: royw_: that's an interesting question
2012-10-08 23:11:33 jarek: shepazu: I remember reading somewhere that the plan is to drop namespaces completely
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2012-10-08 23:12:01 royw_: shepazu: Was looking to do something where the effect originates where the mouse is and was unable to do it
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2012-10-08 23:12:23 shepazu: I don't think we've talked about it, royw_, but I have thought about it… you should send a message to public-fx@w3.org asking for that with [filters] in the subject line
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2012-10-08 23:13:02 shepazu: jarek: we aren't dropping namespaces, but we are reducing the need for them
2012-10-08 23:13:07 royw_: shepazu: Also, It seems like you could also securely support control over where the sampling of the texture happens so you could support some effects like water ripples or magnification bubbles
2012-10-08 23:13:11 royw_: shepazu: will do
2012-10-08 23:13:26 dannybd: W3C is based in the Stata Center, right?
2012-10-08 23:13:29 shepazu: royw_: yeah, I think you're right
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2012-10-08 23:14:16 Ryan_Lane: anyone want me to wait?
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2012-10-08 23:14:28 dannybd: Ah, OK. I figured it was weird to only have one locale.
2012-10-08 23:14:31 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: I also checked in some changes there, I guess they'll deploy too
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2012-10-08 23:14:41 Ryan_Lane: need me to deploy?
2012-10-08 23:14:47 Ryan_Lane: I had done that earlier
2012-10-08 23:14:53 Ryan_Lane: I'll do it again
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2012-10-08 23:15:13 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: we need to compile, run, and redeploy
2012-10-08 23:15:15 ttt: test
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2012-10-08 23:15:23 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: it requires a compile every time?
2012-10-08 23:15:25 shepazu: ttt, pass
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2012-10-08 23:15:33 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: for this change it does
2012-10-08 23:15:34 jwtra: hey
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2012-10-08 23:15:42 Ryan_Lane: failed
2012-10-08 23:15:50 shepazu: :(
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2012-10-08 23:16:07 Ryan_Lane: compile fails. not sure why
2012-10-08 23:16:10 jwtra: who else read the article on The Verge about this?
2012-10-08 23:16:16 Darh_Vader: Hello
2012-10-08 23:16:23 royw_: shepazu: Thanks!
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2012-10-08 23:17:40 tsingh: didnt know there was an article on the verge yet.. nice guys!
2012-10-08 23:17:41 tsingh: hehe
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2012-10-08 23:18:39 zero_cool: hi all
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2012-10-08 23:19:08 Brenelz: Hey
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2012-10-08 23:19:12 tsingh: ello!
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2012-10-08 23:19:24 shepazu: hi, folks on the web client, we are restarting, sorry for the interruption!
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2012-10-08 23:21:03 Brenelz: What does everyone think of this Site?
2012-10-08 23:21:09 h8h: what u r doing @shepazu
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2012-10-08 23:22:17 shepazu: h8h: just maintenance, fixing some bugs
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2012-10-08 23:22:42 M-FIX: I really like the site
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2012-10-08 23:22:45 h8h: @shepazu i see compiling failed :D
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2012-10-08 23:23:03 zhodge: Brenelz: aside from alpha-related shortcomings, I'm partial to the design and I think the community is more than capable of curating effective content at a quick pace.
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2012-10-08 23:23:55 M-FIX: I agree @zhodge
2012-10-08 23:24:00 gluxon: Hm.. does realize that the qwebirc client isn't working on WebPlatform.org?
2012-10-08 23:24:06 gluxon: *anyone realize
2012-10-08 23:24:17 Brenelz: Yeah I hope lots of people contribute
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2012-10-08 23:25:06 M-FIX: yes, but it may be your browser @gluxon, I cant get it to work either
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2012-10-08 23:25:13 Shultc: Hellow World!
2012-10-08 23:25:18 zhodge: part
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2012-10-08 23:25:55 zhodge: Curious as to why Apple's logo is missing from the footer.
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2012-10-08 23:26:28 shepazu: gluxon: what do you mean?
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2012-10-08 23:26:36 Shultc: Yep
2012-10-08 23:26:41 Shultc: On the main page
2012-10-08 23:26:50 Shultc: Look on the bottom of the page
2012-10-08 23:26:56 Shultc: It's sad =(
2012-10-08 23:27:18 Shultc: Apple want hug becouse of this!
2012-10-08 23:27:20 mortdeus: Lol this web standard site needs a bit of work
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2012-10-08 23:27:23 gluxon: zhodge: You're *curious*?
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2012-10-08 23:27:36 gluxon: zhodge: Apple only pretends to care about web standards -.-
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2012-10-08 23:27:43 Pablo_: Hello from habrahabr!
2012-10-08 23:27:50 shepazu: mortdeus: incorrect. this site needs a LOT of work!
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2012-10-08 23:28:09 Guest63974: geus hasnt been in chatroom for like 10 years
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2012-10-08 23:28:24 Shultc: И тебе не хварать ;)
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2012-10-08 23:28:43 gluxon: shepazu: It's not working in Chrome or Opera either.
2012-10-08 23:28:47 eaeee: hi
2012-10-08 23:28:48 M-FIX: they do care, how do you think they got their website gluxon
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2012-10-08 23:29:05 Shultc: But it works in our imagination! ^_^
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2012-10-08 23:29:13 zhodge: gluxon: That only makes it more surprising, don't you think? If they only pretend to care about web standards, then they should leap at the chance to parade under the banner of a group effort like this one.
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2012-10-08 23:29:38 draxofavalon says hi :)
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2012-10-08 23:29:55 Garbee: Are the page issues defined anywhere?  ie.  "Data Not Semantic"
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2012-10-08 23:29:59 Shultc: ХАЧУ МИРАВОГА ГОСПОДСТВА!!!!!!1111
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2012-10-08 23:31:09 gluxon: M-FIX: http://www.apple.com/html5/
2012-10-08 23:31:55 gluxon: ^ I don't know if they do anymore, but previously, Apple promoted HTML5 standards (which really weren't specifically HTML5) just to promote Safari instead.
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2012-10-08 23:32:01 M-FIX: gluxon: I see
2012-10-08 23:32:10 gluxon: And then blocked other browsers from playing the demos/showcase.
2012-10-08 23:32:17 M-FIX: yep
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2012-10-08 23:32:40 gluxon: Other browsers which were compliant. I remember testing with a User Agent switcher a while back.
2012-10-08 23:32:52 gluxon: M-FIX: It really appears to me that Apple's in for themselves...
2012-10-08 23:33:08 shepazu: gluxon: this isn't a rant channel :)
2012-10-08 23:33:23 M-FIX: gluxon: yes
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2012-10-08 23:33:58 shepazu: Garbee: we will add better documentation about the flags
2012-10-08 23:34:08 shepazu: wp_test: fail
2012-10-08 23:34:14 paul_irish: leaverou: did your mobile fixes ship?
2012-10-08 23:34:26 shepazu: leaverou: is not here, I don't think
2012-10-08 23:34:26 gluxon: shepazu: Sorry. :'(
2012-10-08 23:34:30 leaverou: paul_irish: yes, but heavy caching
2012-10-08 23:34:32 shepazu: oh
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2012-10-08 23:34:40 leaverou: paul_irish: so hard refresh first
2012-10-08 23:34:41 shepazu: I guess she is
2012-10-08 23:34:43 paul_irish: k
2012-10-08 23:34:48 Ryan_Lane: we'll need to slowly purge every url
2012-10-08 23:34:50 leaverou: shepazu: I came back
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2012-10-08 23:35:02 Ryan_Lane: so, if we have other skin changes, we need to queue them up
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2012-10-08 23:35:05 leaverou: paul_irish: it's not perfect, but it;s decent
2012-10-08 23:35:11 paul_irish: yeah
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2012-10-08 23:35:20 paul_irish: that's good enough for today
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2012-10-08 23:36:03 just_got_a_girl: this is a test for webplatform.org
2012-10-08 23:36:21 just_got_a_girl: it works yay:)
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2012-10-08 23:36:39 paul_irish: Starting to think we should document the channel but not provide the web interface :)
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2012-10-08 23:37:01 clarle: paul_irish: What's the role of this channel supposed to be? Just curious.
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2012-10-08 23:37:14 Garbee: Wait a minute, *Is* PHP going to be added?  (  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/380/javascript-and-php-documentation-is-missing ) I don't really see where it fits in here since it is server-side stuff.
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2012-10-08 23:37:35 shepazu: clarle: mostly to socialize and get quick answers to questions
2012-10-08 23:37:36 Infininight: paul_irish: you should definitely at least list what server, I just guessed that it would be on Freenode so I could use a real client ;)
2012-10-08 23:37:38 schalkneethling: part
2012-10-08 23:37:47 sneakyness_wk pokes paul_irish 
2012-10-08 23:38:03 shepazu: Infininight: I'm adding it right now
2012-10-08 23:38:06 M-FIX: clarle:its for support and help with web development
2012-10-08 23:38:08 Garbee: Yea, lisitng the server would be nice.  I knew it was freenode but others may not.
2012-10-08 23:38:16 harryrf: ^^
2012-10-08 23:38:17 clarle: Ah, thanks shepazu, M-FIX.
2012-10-08 23:38:18 paul_irish: clarle: to organize on contributions to the site
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2012-10-08 23:38:25 leaverou: shepazu: we could also add an irc:// link
2012-10-08 23:38:29 sneakyness_wk: ^
2012-10-08 23:38:33 paul_irish: M-FIX: nope its not for that. :)
2012-10-08 23:38:40 shepazu: it's actually already there: http://talk.webplatform.org/
2012-10-08 23:38:43 jarek: I like how docs section works on php.net
2012-10-08 23:38:53 leaverou: shepazu: irc://chat.freenode.net/#webplatform
2012-10-08 23:38:56 jarek: anyone can submit code snippets below each section
2012-10-08 23:39:07 sneakyness_wk: paul_irish: my jquiers are broken can you fixes them
2012-10-08 23:39:16 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-08 23:39:32 shepazu: leaverou: ??
2012-10-08 23:39:33 clarle: Is some of the content from MDN right now? Parts of it look familiar to me.
2012-10-08 23:39:38 M-FIX: @paul_irsh:hm..ok :)
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2012-10-08 23:39:48 Garbee: paul_irish, Who designed this site?  They need a big hug for awesomeness.
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2012-10-08 23:39:57 paul_irish: clarle: some of it but not all
2012-10-08 23:39:58 leaverou: shepazu: I thought you were adding info about the IRC, and suggested we also add a link
2012-10-08 23:40:15 paul_irish: Garbee: a bunch of folks did but some of the primary visual design was from some Adobe folks
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2012-10-08 23:40:32 shepazu: leaverou: it's actually already there: http://talk.webplatform.org/
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2012-10-08 23:40:36 jarek: clarle: yes, most entries have footnote with source
2012-10-08 23:40:46 shepazu: I'm just adding it to the chat page too
2012-10-08 23:40:47 Rajiv_Silvestre: Hello
2012-10-08 23:40:50 Garbee: Wow, Adobe is really getting good lately.
2012-10-08 23:40:53 leaverou: shepazu: ah, cool
2012-10-08 23:41:02 Garbee: I love some of their new apps and the Source Code Pro font is amazing.
2012-10-08 23:41:11 mVoid: Thanks so much for this site, the whole thing is wonderful
2012-10-08 23:41:12 clarle: Ah, neat, thanks all.
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2012-10-08 23:41:25 Infininight: shepazu: clicking on the logo on http://talk.webplatform.org leads to a broken link
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2012-10-08 23:41:34 M-FIX: I get server reset, refresh your browser, when connecting on talk.webplatform.org
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2012-10-08 23:42:16 M-FIX: I'm using irssi on my computer :)
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2012-10-08 23:43:02 harryrf: mIRC here
2012-10-08 23:43:50 M-FIX: harryrf: I've used them but its buggy on my end
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2012-10-08 23:44:27 Garbee: Why do I find everything cool just before my brain shuts down?  I will be seeing this site tomorrow and hopefully finding somewhere to contribute.   Night everyone.
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2012-10-08 23:44:31 harryrf: It's amazing how many people don't realize that this is still alpha.
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2012-10-08 23:46:24 shepazu: harryrf: how can they not realize that? there's a huge banner at the top!
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2012-10-08 23:46:39 harryrf: shepazu: That's the funny thing about it ;)
2012-10-08 23:46:47 harryrf: And also, my question.
2012-10-08 23:46:58 M-FIX: ^
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2012-10-08 23:48:40 Mp3: I have nothing constructive to offer, just want to say thanks for all your past, present, and future efforts at this fine fine idea :) I hope all goes well in your endeavors and wish you nothing but the best.
2012-10-08 23:49:02 leaverou: Mp3: thank you! That's very encouraging :)
2012-10-08 23:49:12 M-FIX: ^
2012-10-08 23:49:23 leaverou: shepazu: harryrfL: indeed they don't, judging by all the shit about mobile
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2012-10-08 23:50:30 harryrf goes back to reading
2012-10-08 23:51:07 shepazu: it's understandable that people expect sites to work in mobiles automatically… that's a great change since 5 years ago… we should have put more effort into the mobile version, but now we will
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2012-10-08 23:51:53 harryrf: When did it go live?
2012-10-08 23:52:22 shepazu: harryrf: about 8-9 hours ago
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2012-10-08 23:54:27 harryrf: I know it's the internet and all, but how did word get spread so fast?
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2012-10-08 23:54:54 clarle: harryrf: It hit reddit for me, that's how I got here.
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2012-10-08 23:56:19 WID: I saw it on Twitter. I follow Slashdot, and that's why I saw a post about it...
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2012-10-08 23:57:04 WID: Tell me, have people been joining this channel non-stop since the website was launched?
2012-10-08 23:57:05 tsingh: i blame cfjedimaster darn you twitter!
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2012-10-08 23:57:09 tsingh: hehehe
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2012-10-08 23:57:16 harryrf: Yep, seems so
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2012-10-08 23:57:37 Posta: bla bla bla хуй
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2012-10-08 23:57:39 WID: Then, again, many of these seem to have the same IP address, so they're probably the same person.
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2012-10-08 23:58:02 tsingh: isnt the same ip the web client?
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2012-10-08 23:58:11 Ordona: Probably
2012-10-08 23:58:12 harryrf: Yeah?
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2012-10-08 23:58:23 tsingh: as opposed to a real irc client on the machine
2012-10-08 23:58:23 WID: Heh...
2012-10-08 23:58:27 WID: I don't think so.
2012-10-08 23:58:29 Ordona: Which probably isn't the best idea
2012-10-08 23:58:33 WID: qwebirc uses JavaScript
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2012-10-08 23:58:49 WID: No -- I'm pretty sure it's the person's real IP address.
2012-10-08 23:59:02 harryrf: Yeah it's the site's IP
2012-10-08 23:59:07 harryrf: lkasdjfljk (~webchat@15.185.108.252) has joined #webplatform
2012-10-08 23:59:09 harryrf: ^^ me
2012-10-08 23:59:10 tsingh: im no up to speed on qwebirc
2012-10-08 23:59:11 WID: Really?
2012-10-08 23:59:26 TehRealGawd: They use the site to connect with the same ip address to the network
2012-10-08 23:59:33 WID: I see.
2012-10-08 23:59:34 TehRealGawd: you connect through the site to the irc network
2012-10-08 23:59:36 WID: The webplatform.org site, that is?
2012-10-08 23:59:37 tsingh: that kind of what i was thinking
2012-10-08 23:59:38 TehRealGawd: not from client-server
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2012-10-08 23:59:42 WID: I'm using webchat.freenode.net
2012-10-08 23:59:45 WID: But they both use the same client.
2012-10-08 23:59:45 lkasdjfljk: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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2012-10-09 00:00:01 WID: Come on, people are really joining and leaving fast...
2012-10-09 00:00:04 Ordona: Bad idea to have the webchat have the same ip, really
2012-10-09 00:00:07 TehRealGawd: yeah it does show your WID connecting through your client.
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2012-10-09 00:00:19 TehRealGawd: Ordona, yeah because you can't ip ban through the chat
2012-10-09 00:00:25 Ordona: Yup
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2012-10-09 00:00:34 Ordona: Well, ban one = ban them all
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2012-10-09 00:00:41 TehRealGawd: Ip-banning one person would ban the whole site, but it also allows people to connect anon to the chat
2012-10-09 00:00:50 TehRealGawd: if they don't use a downloadable client
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2012-10-09 00:01:20 TehRealGawd: is this on the freenode network?
2012-10-09 00:01:26 harryrf: yeah
2012-10-09 00:01:26 Ordona: Yes
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2012-10-09 00:01:30 WID3: Heh...
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2012-10-09 00:01:38 WID3: Yep, it's the website's IP.
2012-10-09 00:01:40 WID3: Just confirmed.
2012-10-09 00:01:43 harryrf: I just said that
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2012-10-09 00:01:50 xdv: Test
2012-10-09 00:01:50 TehRealGawd: hmm I think we could contact the owners in the #services channel
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2012-10-09 00:02:05 TehRealGawd: i know there is a chan mode that hides ip addresses
2012-10-09 00:02:10 TehRealGawd: or maybe its user mode
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2012-10-09 00:02:15 Ordona: umode
2012-10-09 00:02:15 WID3: I don't think so.
2012-10-09 00:02:17 sidp: Hey
2012-10-09 00:02:20 WID3: I recall checking all the documentation of chanserv.
2012-10-09 00:02:22 Mountain: Hello, folks, I am a newbie for the community. I want to create a serial of data entry for browsers and html tags, it is allowed? https://github.com/mountain/webfacts here is my personal experiment by using n3 notion
2012-10-09 00:02:29 TehRealGawd: yeah i think its a umode Ordona
2012-10-09 00:02:29 Brazil: como funciona isso?
2012-10-09 00:02:32 Ordona: I don't think freenode allows it, though. You have to request a cloak
2012-10-09 00:02:34 Brazil: maneiro...
2012-10-09 00:02:35 TehRealGawd: i tihnk it may be +i
2012-10-09 00:02:38 Brazil: muito loco...
2012-10-09 00:02:39 Ordona: +x
2012-10-09 00:02:39 TehRealGawd: think*
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2012-10-09 00:03:06 WID3: @Mountain What do you mean, exactly?
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2012-10-09 00:03:19 WID3: You mean creating pages for browsers and HTML tags?
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2012-10-09 00:03:43 TehRealGawd: oh yeah Ordona you're right, couldn't you enable +i though javascript though?
2012-10-09 00:03:48 TehRealGawd: when the connection is estblished
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2012-10-09 00:04:06 Mountain: In a more semantic way, I mean I want to create a serial pages with infobox which describe their basic info
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2012-10-09 00:04:22 WID3: I'm not sure the wiki has a infobox template yet.
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2012-10-09 00:04:30 WID3: So you want to create serial pages with an infobox for them?
2012-10-09 00:04:30 Ordona: If the webchat on webplatform.org is the same as webchat.freenode.net (qwebirc or whatever), the webchat on webplatform is set up differently
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2012-10-09 00:04:42 WID3: That's right, Ordona.
2012-10-09 00:04:48 WID3: I've already noticed some differences.
2012-10-09 00:05:00 Mountain: Let me check the version for this wiki
2012-10-09 00:05:05 Ryan_Lane: it's the same software, yes
2012-10-09 00:05:09 Ordona: The simplest solution is to use a real IRC client :P But obviously a lot won't want to
2012-10-09 00:05:12 Ryan_Lane: ours is skinned and forces a channel
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2012-10-09 00:05:46 Ordona: Ryan_Lane, probably should try and make it use different IP addresses, though?
2012-10-09 00:05:49 WID4: The MediaWiki version seems to be the latest one.
2012-10-09 00:05:53 TehRealGawd: Ryan_Lane: don't you find it as a problem though that you use the site to connect and not the independent connections?
2012-10-09 00:06:02 Ryan_Lane: I just added xff
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2012-10-09 00:06:09 Ryan_Lane: do a lookup on a web user
2012-10-09 00:06:29 Ordona: Their IP shows up as their name, then?
2012-10-09 00:06:36 TehRealGawd: yeah
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2012-10-09 00:06:43 TehRealGawd: [20:06] ==  realname : adsl-98-86-38-29.tys.bellsouth.net/98.86.38.29 - W
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2012-10-09 00:06:56 Ordona: Suppose that works
2012-10-09 00:07:05 Ryan_Lane: I'm not sure if that'll be adequate
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2012-10-09 00:07:07 WID4: Why do so many people join the channel?
2012-10-09 00:07:14 Ryan_Lane: I don't know if you can block users that way
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2012-10-09 00:07:23 Ordona: You can, I'm pretty sure
2012-10-09 00:07:26 TehRealGawd: yeah you can
2012-10-09 00:07:36 TehRealGawd: you ban like *!realname@*
2012-10-09 00:07:36 WID4: Blocks are usually done through host names, no?
2012-10-09 00:07:47 Ordona: TehRealGawd, I think that's ident, not real
2012-10-09 00:08:16 TehRealGawd: oh yeah? i'm interfacing through the webchat i'll load up my irc client now trying to install some new things on Win8
2012-10-09 00:08:21 WID4: I'm surprised of how the wiki on this website is up to date compared to the W3C community wikis...
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2012-10-09 00:08:35 WID4: Last time I checked, they were quite outdated..
2012-10-09 00:08:48 TehRealGawd: WID4, it's ran apparently by a lot of the big tech companies from what i've read
2012-10-09 00:09:00 WID4: Yep, the "stewards".
2012-10-09 00:09:12 Ordona: I think ban-by-realname is: /mode #webplatform +b r:realname
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2012-10-09 00:09:25 WID4: Just ask chanserv. He knows the answer...
2012-10-09 00:09:28 FoxMulder: heloo
2012-10-09 00:09:31 TehRealGawd: hmm
2012-10-09 00:09:33 shepazu: it's also W3C :) we contributed a bunch of docs
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2012-10-09 00:09:58 WID4: I think just taking a bunch of documents from various documentation centers isn't that good of an idea.
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2012-10-09 00:10:13 WID4: They all have different style, different practices...
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2012-10-09 00:10:32 WID4: It's going to be a lot of work to make all of that consistent.
2012-10-09 00:10:40 shepazu: WID4: that's why there's still work to be done :)
2012-10-09 00:10:55 WID4: I guess.
2012-10-09 00:11:05 shepazu: better than starting from scratch...
2012-10-09 00:11:11 WID4: Of course!
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2012-10-09 00:11:27 TehRealGawd: hrm, hate that freenode makes you authenticate your email
2012-10-09 00:11:39 scurtis: are image maps supported in whatever wiki backs the WPD?
2012-10-09 00:11:45 WID4: I think I do have a registered nick on freenode.
2012-10-09 00:11:53 shepazu: image maps? I don't think so
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2012-10-09 00:11:54 WID4: But it probably expired, anyway.
2012-10-09 00:12:03 TehRealGawd: Apparently I do have a nickname registered, cba to remember or recover tho
2012-10-09 00:12:10 WID4: scurtis: You'd need to check on the Special:Version page
2012-10-09 00:12:15 scurtis: damn - I saw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Image_maps and figure'd it'd be a common thing for wiki's
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2012-10-09 00:12:23 Infininight: WID4: generally they say they nicks expire, but they rarely do unless someone wants the nick
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2012-10-09 00:12:29 WID4: scurtis:I'm not sure we really need image maps. Then, again, they can't harm.
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2012-10-09 00:12:47 WID4: Infininight: I know. And I doubt anyone would ever want my nick or even find that name.
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2012-10-09 00:13:10 WID4: One thing I've always wondered is why every website with a logo that's only text uses a image for it.
2012-10-09 00:13:13 Mountain: I had checked the mediawiki extensions installed on the site, I ithink it could be used templates on this site
2012-10-09 00:13:31 WID4: Templates have little to do with extensions...?
2012-10-09 00:13:32 Mountain: So infobox is supported
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2012-10-09 00:13:36 scurtis: @WID4 the first thing I did when I went to the site was look at that flow diagram and try to click the bright pink box for Tasks
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2012-10-09 00:13:52 WID4: Oh, you don't need any extension for an infobox.
2012-10-09 00:13:52 Mountain: template is buildin :)
2012-10-09 00:13:53 scurtis: got a pointer cursor when over the image
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2012-10-09 00:14:01 WID4: I guess we'll just end up importing most templates from Wikipedia...
2012-10-09 00:14:08 WID4: After all, they DO have the most up to date and well-made templates..
2012-10-09 00:14:10 z3r0: hi, will webplatform.org oly focus on front-end tech?
2012-10-09 00:14:16 z3r0: *only
2012-10-09 00:14:25 TehRealGawd: shepazu, are you from W3 or one of the big companies? or just a person that is knowledgeable and helps with the IRC channel?
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2012-10-09 00:14:36 z3r0: or are there plans to document backend tech?
2012-10-09 00:14:39 WID4: I'm knowledgeable with MediaWiki. :)
2012-10-09 00:14:40 shepazu: z3r0: primarily, though we might have simple starters on other stuff
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2012-10-09 00:14:49 jodoon: hi everybody
2012-10-09 00:14:53 WID4: Probably both, z3r0, but it's mainly about what concerns web developers.
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2012-10-09 00:15:01 shepazu: TehRealGawd: I'm from W3C. I started this project
2012-10-09 00:15:10 Rubenshoah: toes ke gonorreas?
2012-10-09 00:15:12 Ryan_Lane: WID4: pretty sure we can't import from wikipedia
2012-10-09 00:15:15 WID4: What concerns user agent developers probably belongs more in the specifications.
2012-10-09 00:15:19 Ryan_Lane: s/pretty sure/positive/
2012-10-09 00:15:20 WID4: Why that, Ryan?
2012-10-09 00:15:35 Ryan_Lane: webplatform is CC-BY. Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA
2012-10-09 00:15:35 WID4: I mean, not import exactly what is there.
2012-10-09 00:15:38 jodoon: someone game developer here?
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2012-10-09 00:15:47 WID4: True...
2012-10-09 00:15:49 Ryan_Lane: Wikipedia has a stricter license
2012-10-09 00:15:51 gyan: hello
2012-10-09 00:15:51 pdr: jodoon: yes
2012-10-09 00:15:54 z3r0: @shepazu I was wondering since Apple, Google, Microsoft all all involved
2012-10-09 00:15:54 shart16: Here
2012-10-09 00:16:03 scurtis: WID4: I have a saved draft which adds some map targets to that flow chart on contributing content - any chance of adding image map support to mediawiki? if not lemme know and I'll cancel my edit
2012-10-09 00:16:15 TehRealGawd: Hmm, there is no PHP section on the mainpage... Was this on purpose because of the flaws in php? or will it be added later?
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2012-10-09 00:16:34 WID4: scurtis: The image map extension isn't on the wiki right now
2012-10-09 00:16:37 WID4: But it could perhaps be useful
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2012-10-09 00:16:44 shart16: It'll probably added later.
2012-10-09 00:16:45 z3r0: php, perl, python, ruby, java, .net etc...
2012-10-09 00:16:53 WID4: Image maps are mainly useful for flow charts
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2012-10-09 00:16:55 Mountain: I think the Cite extension maybe be useful but omitted
2012-10-09 00:17:02 WID4: But I think flow charts should be made with SVG anyway
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2012-10-09 00:17:18 WID4: The cite extension? Well, we surely need references, but...
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2012-10-09 00:17:32 Mountain: ?
2012-10-09 00:17:38 WID4: Yeah, I suppose having references can always be useful.
2012-10-09 00:17:45 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki has image map support
2012-10-09 00:17:46 WID4: And citations too, of course.
2012-10-09 00:17:52 WID4: Ryan: I'm pretty sure not.
2012-10-09 00:17:58 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap
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2012-10-09 00:18:00 WID4: Image maps are in a separate extension.
2012-10-09 00:18:01 TehRealGawd: I like the layout of webplatform and simple and easy to follow.
2012-10-09 00:18:03 WID4: Yep, ryan, that's an extension.
2012-10-09 00:18:05 gyan: hello world!
2012-10-09 00:18:12 skcin7: Hello gyan!
2012-10-09 00:18:12 WID4: The extension needs to be installed on the wiki first.
2012-10-09 00:18:15 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-09 00:18:18 Ryan_Lane: yeah. I know
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2012-10-09 00:18:25 WID4: Sometimes, extensions are merged into MediaWiki, like what happened to the ParserFunctions extension.
2012-10-09 00:18:28 gyan: Where are you from?
2012-10-09 00:18:30 shepazu: yeah, Ryan_Lane!
2012-10-09 00:18:34 Ryan_Lane: it's easy to do. if you guys want it, then request it :)
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2012-10-09 00:18:43 WID4: Heh...
2012-10-09 00:18:48 Ryan_Lane: not really my call, but someone will approve/disapprove
2012-10-09 00:18:49 shepazu: I'm not sure I want image maps on the site...
2012-10-09 00:18:54 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-09 00:18:55 skcin7: So, how much are companies like Microsoft, Facebook, Google, HP, etc, involved in this project?
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2012-10-09 00:18:57 WID4: Could be useful for flow charts.
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2012-10-09 00:19:05 shepazu: skcin7: deeply
2012-10-09 00:19:07 scurtis: I agree it'd be nicer if we used SVG - just thought I'd configure the image map considering a huge flow chart image was one of the first things shown to me :)
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2012-10-09 00:19:22 WID4: I wish SVG was more used.
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2012-10-09 00:19:26 skcin7: Even Microsoft? If so I'm glad to hear that.
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2012-10-09 00:19:32 Willian: olá, brasileiros por aqi???
2012-10-09 00:19:46 shepazu: you can add links to SVG images… I did it in DOM3 Events...
2012-10-09 00:19:50 Andre: Opa! Brasil aqui
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2012-10-09 00:19:53 WID4: Yes, I think you can.
2012-10-09 00:19:59 WID4: If so, then image maps are mostly useless. -- no, wait..
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2012-10-09 00:19:59 nunoarruda: portugal aqui :)
2012-10-09 00:20:03 TehRealGawd: skcin7, yeah it'd be nice if internet explorer was brought up to date to be more cross compatible with other browsers
2012-10-09 00:20:07 WID4: MediaWiki converts SVG files to PNG
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2012-10-09 00:20:10 mVoid: Im worried though, won't IE10 and forward only work on Windows 8? What about implementation for IE9? will that be updated
2012-10-09 00:20:15 WID4: SVG files should still be used, but they're converted
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2012-10-09 00:20:34 z3r0: SVG is just xml
2012-10-09 00:20:37 shepazu: http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-flow
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2012-10-09 00:20:42 Ryan_Lane: svg support is kind of poor :)
2012-10-09 00:20:42 WID4: Yes, but MediaWiki converts them to images
2012-10-09 00:20:49 Ryan_Lane: in browsers, that os
2012-10-09 00:20:50 WID4: Ryan_Lane: Yep, unfortunately.
2012-10-09 00:20:50 Ryan_Lane: *is
2012-10-09 00:21:00 Ryan_Lane: which is why mediawiki converts them
2012-10-09 00:21:00 pdr: WID4: are you sure? Wikipedia has plenty of SVG
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2012-10-09 00:21:05 Korze: Hello world. Am I alive?
2012-10-09 00:21:07 WID4: I'm surprised Firefox is the only major browser to support MathML
2012-10-09 00:21:12 Ordona: I think so Korze
2012-10-09 00:21:12 WID4: pdr: Yes, I'm sure. They convert it to PNG
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2012-10-09 00:21:15 Ryan_Lane: pdr: he's definitely right
2012-10-09 00:21:19 WID4: They accept SVG files, but they convert them first.
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2012-10-09 00:21:37 Ryan_Lane: you can display them raw, too
2012-10-09 00:21:38 WID4: I wish SVG, MathML and every other XML-based language in that category was more used.
2012-10-09 00:21:42 shepazu: WID4: Chrome just landed a patch for MathML
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2012-10-09 00:21:44 WID4: Ryan_Lane: You can?
2012-10-09 00:21:44 Korze: Have you fallen in love with the concepts presented here, just as I have? :P
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2012-10-09 00:21:52 WID4: @shepazu They did?
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2012-10-09 00:21:55 Ryan_Lane: WID4: not in articles
2012-10-09 00:21:59 WID4: I know it has been in beta in Chromium for a while
2012-10-09 00:22:00 ul: hi
2012-10-09 00:22:17 WID4: ul: you need more <li> elements
2012-10-09 00:22:25 z3r0: SVG to PNG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:SVG#How_SVG_files_work_in_MediaWiki
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2012-10-09 00:22:38 Ordona: Think he's gone to get some, WID4?
2012-10-09 00:22:50 WID4: Probably, ordona.
2012-10-09 00:22:52 pdr: shepazu: I wonder if that svg -> png stuff can be fixed?
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2012-10-09 00:23:10 WID4: pdr: Surely it can, with an extension.
2012-10-09 00:23:18 WID4: pdr: But that would reduce browser support.
2012-10-09 00:23:27 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: no reason SVG can't be rendered in mediawiki, is there?
2012-10-09 00:23:29 WID4: I'm pretty sure IE6 doesn't support SVG...
2012-10-09 00:23:30 pdr: WID4: what browsers don't support SVG?
2012-10-09 00:23:33 TehRealGawd: Hmm, I think just idling here I'll learn a lot more in web development lol
2012-10-09 00:23:37 pdr: True, IE6
2012-10-09 00:23:41 WID4: Then, again, IE6 doesn't really support anything at all.
2012-10-09 00:23:46 shepazu: IE8 and below
2012-10-09 00:23:47 Ryan_Lane: in practice we've seen nearly all browsers handle svn very poorly
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2012-10-09 00:23:53 Ryan_Lane: svg*
2012-10-09 00:23:56 Ordona: Nothing really supports IE6 so.. :P
2012-10-09 00:24:02 WID4: I think I can say Amaya handles it really well.
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2012-10-09 00:24:12 WID4: Amaya and Mozilla Firefox both handle SVG pretty well, I think.
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2012-10-09 00:24:18 WID4: There's also a chromium version -- not sure
2012-10-09 00:24:21 pdr: Ryan_Lane: SVG support in all the major browsers works pretty well: chrome, ff, ie9
2012-10-09 00:24:22 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: that's partly because the SVG files that are uploaded to wikipedia are really abyssmal
2012-10-09 00:24:25 Ryan_Lane: well, if we set http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSVGConverter = false, then it won't convert them
2012-10-09 00:24:32 WID4: We can do that, ryan?
2012-10-09 00:24:32 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: true
2012-10-09 00:24:35 WID4: Might be an option.
2012-10-09 00:24:36 Ryan_Lane: well....
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2012-10-09 00:24:38 harryrf: Is it okay to print these pages to PDF?
2012-10-09 00:24:38 shepazu: all modern browsers handle SVG
2012-10-09 00:24:39 WID4: But do we really need to?
2012-10-09 00:24:43 Ryan_Lane: if we do that, it makes people downlod them
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2012-10-09 00:24:45 z3r0: figured there was an option
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2012-10-09 00:24:59 simon___: How to use this？
2012-10-09 00:24:59 WID4: I know we like web standards and everything, but does that mean we should respect them on the documentation website itself?
2012-10-09 00:25:00 Mountain: I noticed a lot of predefined sections in the editing page, and even the compatibility table and other complex data
2012-10-09 00:25:08 shepazu: harryrf: it's fine to print them to PDF
2012-10-09 00:25:13 Ryan_Lane: brion would know about this....
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2012-10-09 00:25:21 harryrf: thanks
2012-10-09 00:25:22 WID4: Also, did you guys import the help from the MediaWiki website?
2012-10-09 00:25:23 Ryan_Lane: he's likely not around right now
2012-10-09 00:25:26 WID4: because if not, you might want to do that
2012-10-09 00:25:33 z3r0: \q
2012-10-09 00:25:39 Ryan_Lane: that's doable. content there is public domain
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2012-10-09 00:25:43 WID4: More help would mean more editors, which would mean better documentation.
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2012-10-09 00:25:54 WID4: Ryan_Lane: That's precisely the point. It can be imported anywhere since it's under CC0.
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2012-10-09 00:26:14 jkomoros: WID4: I'd imagine it would be better to link to that help
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2012-10-09 00:26:24 jkomoros: because if we import it, then it could get stale
2012-10-09 00:26:25 WID4: jkmoros: Well, if we import it, then we can edit it.
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2012-10-09 00:26:42 WID4: We could adapt it to our needs in particular.
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2012-10-09 00:26:54 WID4: Then, again, we might as well just make our improvements directly on the MediaWiki version..
2012-10-09 00:26:59 WID4: So yeah, maybe we could link to it.
2012-10-09 00:27:08 WID4: But making a page contain nothing else than a link to another page isn't really...
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2012-10-09 00:27:12 jkomoros: If the improvements apply back to the original, we should make them there
2012-10-09 00:27:18 WID4: We need cross-wiki redirects!
2012-10-09 00:27:23 jkomoros: and if they don't, we should add them to our own documentation and link back
2012-10-09 00:27:26 WID4: Cross-wiki redirects would be abused.
2012-10-09 00:27:29 Heriberto: Is this StackOverflow ?
2012-10-09 00:27:37 jkomoros: e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns
2012-10-09 00:27:38 WID4: You know what's good with Wikia? They have shared help.
2012-10-09 00:27:38 nunoarruda: lol
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2012-10-09 00:28:04 shepazu: Heriberto: no, it's Question2Answer
2012-10-09 00:28:04 WID4: Then, again, I'd rather have freedoom about my help than shared help.
2012-10-09 00:28:11 skcin7: Are Webplatform going to be editable (like a wiki)? One resource I really love is MDN and I feel like a big reason it is so good is because anybody can edit articles to improve on them. I hope Webplatform is the same way.
2012-10-09 00:28:23 WID4: skcin7: It's ALREADY editable.
2012-10-09 00:28:24 shepazu: skcin7: yes, they already are
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2012-10-09 00:28:43 WID4: Hey, do we have the AbuseFilter extension?
2012-10-09 00:28:48 skcin7: Oh, my bad.
2012-10-09 00:28:53 Heriberto: Ah, thanks.
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2012-10-09 00:29:01 WID4: Could be useful to prevent abuse.
2012-10-09 00:29:13 shepazu: WID4: I don't recall
2012-10-09 00:29:21 shepazu: what's it do?
2012-10-09 00:29:22 WID4: We don't.
2012-10-09 00:29:24 WID4: Well..
2012-10-09 00:29:30 WID4: Allows us to use Regular Expression to define filters
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2012-10-09 00:29:40 skcin7: Also, I'm assuming you guys already know this but when I click on a link in the forum the web app doesn't persist my login to the next page.
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2012-10-09 00:29:42 WID4: mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter
2012-10-09 00:29:48 skcin7: A lot of the other pages seem to be persisting my login fine, though.
2012-10-09 00:30:01 WID4: Also, when you log out, the log out button is still there, on the forums.
2012-10-09 00:30:08 WID4: And it shows your IP instead of your user name.
2012-10-09 00:30:08 karlcow: skcin7: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup&returnto=html
2012-10-09 00:30:12 WID4: Instead, it should be a login button.
2012-10-09 00:30:21 WID4: "&returnto=html"
2012-10-09 00:30:32 WID4: Why isn't that page "HTML"? :o
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2012-10-09 00:30:39 shepazu: skcin7: can you file a bug?
2012-10-09 00:31:01 skcin7: shepazu - Yes, I'll do that now.
2012-10-09 00:31:02 WID4: What, is there a such subdomain as bugzilla.webplatform.org?
2012-10-09 00:31:13 WID4: Did I miss some link somewhere?
2012-10-09 00:31:29 shepazu: no, we're using W3C's bugzilla
2012-10-09 00:31:35 shepazu: see the topic
2012-10-09 00:31:42 WID4: Hm.
2012-10-09 00:32:00 karlcow: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 00:32:28 Ryan_Lane: yeah, abusefilter will likely be helpful to those doing vandalism protection
2012-10-09 00:32:37 Ryan_Lane: it's used fairly heavily on wikimedia wikis
2012-10-09 00:32:55 shepazu: ok, cool
2012-10-09 00:33:03 WID4: Oh, you use the bugzilla on the W3C's website.
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2012-10-09 00:33:06 WID4: Wouldn't have thought of that.
2012-10-09 00:33:31 shepazu: WID4: this is a project started by W3C
2012-10-09 00:33:37 WID4: shepazu: I know. :P
2012-10-09 00:33:46 WID4: And it's a really good idea too.
2012-10-09 00:33:47 SDr_: hi, what's the server name for this?
2012-10-09 00:33:48 skcin7: Also webplatform.org gives a 302 redirect to www1.webplatform.org, while www.webplatform.org works fine. Not a bug per say, just something I've noticed. Might want to keep everything consistent for SEO reasons.
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2012-10-09 00:34:02 Ryan_Lane: skcin7: that will be changing tomorrow
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2012-10-09 00:34:37 skcin7: Cool - I figured you guys were already aware of that. Would just require a simple tweak in the web server software - not difficult to fix at all. :)
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2012-10-09 00:34:44 Ryan_Lane: skcin7: we moved the static resources to frontend cache
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2012-10-09 00:34:48 vinod261: hello
2012-10-09 00:34:56 Ryan_Lane: couldn't do that with webplatform.org because it needed to stay an A record
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2012-10-09 00:35:12 vinod261: could anyone help  me with css
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2012-10-09 00:35:15 Ryan_Lane: so, www was the next option, but it was already cached in DNS and wouldn't expire for 12 hours
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2012-10-09 00:35:18 WID4: Let's spam random forums with links to webplatform.org to get a higher ranking on Google!
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2012-10-09 00:35:24 harryrf: vinod261: What exactly?
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2012-10-09 00:35:30 shepazu: vinod261: what's up?
2012-10-09 00:35:30 FreeNuts: haha
2012-10-09 00:35:30 skcin7: Ryan_Lane - Ahhh I see okay suddenly it makes sense
2012-10-09 00:35:36 Ryan_Lane: so, www1. tomorrow, after dns is completely purged, we'll go to www
2012-10-09 00:35:39 FreeNuts: haha
2012-10-09 00:35:42 WID4: Oh, so you did that because hte other was already cached?
2012-10-09 00:35:46 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-09 00:35:48 WID4: Would never have thought of that.
2012-10-09 00:35:48 skcin7: Nice, going with the www I think is a good idea.
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2012-10-09 00:35:56 Ryan_Lane: I really didn't want to use www1 :)
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2012-10-09 00:36:11 Ryan_Lane: seeing those links tweeted out hurt my soul a little
2012-10-09 00:36:13 skcin7: Haha yeah, I thought the same thing when i saw that, especially since there's not like a www2, www3, etc.
2012-10-09 00:36:13 WID4: What I like with MediaWiki is that it is a good content platform for like everything: blogs, websites, wikis, everything.
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2012-10-09 00:36:47 Ryan_Lane: WID4: I use it to control a cloud infrastructure: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ;)
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2012-10-09 00:36:54 Ryan_Lane: indeed it can be used for anything.
2012-10-09 00:37:00 skcin7: Although even if there were a www2, www3, etc I think it still would hurt my soul a little
2012-10-09 00:37:07 WID4: Oh, you work on the Wikimedia Labs?
2012-10-09 00:37:15 Ryan_Lane: I created it
2012-10-09 00:37:23 WID4: I knew I saw your name somewhere.
2012-10-09 00:37:48 WID4: Aren't www1,www2,www3, etc, used for different servers for serving content?
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2012-10-09 00:38:05 Ryan_Lane: yeah. that's one way of doing it
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2012-10-09 00:38:23 Ryan_Lane: see google docs, for instance
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2012-10-09 00:38:40 WID4: Google Docs?
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2012-10-09 00:38:50 Ryan_Lane: hm. trying to find examples
2012-10-09 00:39:01 Ryan_Lane: they use multiple domain names to increase the number of connections
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2012-10-09 00:39:10 WID4: I see.
2012-10-09 00:39:19 WID4: Not sure exactly how it works, though --
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2012-10-09 00:39:20 Ryan_Lane: though I don't see that now
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2012-10-09 00:39:29 WID4: The main server redirects to one or another server?
2012-10-09 00:39:30 WID4: Right?
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2012-10-09 00:39:44 Ryan_Lane: no. resources are delivered from the other domains
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2012-10-09 00:39:50 WID4: Oh.
2012-10-09 00:39:51 jkomoros: Ryan_Lane: They don't have to do it anymore on most browsers for various reasons
2012-10-09 00:39:52 WID4: I see.
2012-10-09 00:39:54 Ryan_Lane: the main site shows up normal
2012-10-09 00:39:59 Ryan_Lane: jkomoros: ah
2012-10-09 00:40:00 WID4: But doesn't Google uses gstatic.com for that?
2012-10-09 00:40:05 WID4: No, wait, I'm mistaken.
2012-10-09 00:40:13 Ryan_Lane: SPDY makes that unnecessary
2012-10-09 00:40:18 WID4: True.
2012-10-09 00:40:22 Ryan_Lane: don't need the domain hacks
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2012-10-09 00:40:44 Ryan_Lane: it's not abnormal to break resources into different domains, though
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2012-10-09 00:41:06 WID4: Different domains?
2012-10-09 00:41:07 Ryan_Lane: wikipedia has upload, bits, text, mobile, etc
2012-10-09 00:41:12 WID4: But why do that when you can regroup it into a single one?
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2012-10-09 00:41:20 WID4: Oh yeah, for organisation, of course.
2012-10-09 00:41:26 Ryan_Lane: each one is a different cache cluster
2012-10-09 00:41:39 WID4: Why not share it between all the domains?
2012-10-09 00:41:58 Ryan_Lane: so, when you visit en.wikipedia.org, you get resources from wikipedia-lb.wikimedia.org, upload-lb.wikimedia.org and bits-lb.wikimedia.org
2012-10-09 00:42:11 Ryan_Lane: yeah. that's exactly what's done
2012-10-09 00:42:23 Ryan_Lane: en.wikipedia.org is a CNAME to wikipedia-lb.wikimedia.org
2012-10-09 00:42:36 WID4: Heh - and why don't you just put all the uploads on Wikimedia Commons?
2012-10-09 00:42:44 Ryan_Lane: they are, for the most part
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2012-10-09 00:42:52 WID4: For the most part.
2012-10-09 00:42:53 Ryan_Lane: but the domain they are all served from is upload.wikimedia.org
2012-10-09 00:42:54 WID4: But why not all?
2012-10-09 00:43:00 Lima: good site
2012-10-09 00:43:04 Ryan_Lane: whether they are commons or not
2012-10-09 00:43:10 WID4: Wait, I think not all are served from upload.wikimedia.org
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2012-10-09 00:43:41 WID4: But I'm probably wrong..
2012-10-09 00:43:48 Ryan_Lane: I can't really think of any that aren't
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2012-10-09 00:44:00 WID4: Well, except the site-specific ones, of course.
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2012-10-09 00:44:09 Ryan_Lane: those come from upload too
2012-10-09 00:44:12 WID4: I mean, not these uploaded to a site, but..
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2012-10-09 00:44:53 WID4: Aren't some hosted on bits.wikimedia.org?
2012-10-09 00:44:54 Vicmar: Hi
2012-10-09 00:44:59 Ryan_Lane: WID4: that's interface images
2012-10-09 00:45:00 WID4: I mean, not content images, but...
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2012-10-09 00:45:09 WID4: Ah, that explains everything.
2012-10-09 00:45:19 Ryan_Lane: Vicmar: howdy
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2012-10-09 00:45:46 Vicmar: Interesante plattaform
2012-10-09 00:46:02 WID4: Yes, WebPlatform is an "Interesante plattaform".
2012-10-09 00:46:15 amirouche: héllo, is there any plan for I18N ?
2012-10-09 00:46:22 WID4: Yes, amirouche.
2012-10-09 00:46:29 yoga: hello,
2012-10-09 00:46:33 WID4: I think the blog mentioned localization, though only briefly.
2012-10-09 00:47:01 WID4: Will the translation be done with MediaWiki's interlingual features?
2012-10-09 00:47:20 WID4: en.webplatform.org, de.webplatform.org, fr.webplatform.org...
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2012-10-09 00:47:47 WID4: Why do so many people join and instantly quit?
2012-10-09 00:47:56 TehRealGawd: they are probably just checking things out
2012-10-09 00:48:03 TehRealGawd: and realize what it is and leave
2012-10-09 00:48:07 WID4: In 1/1000 of a second?
2012-10-09 00:48:20 TehRealGawd: well its giving a quit message not a time out message
2012-10-09 00:48:21 WID4: Well, they're fast at checking things out.
2012-10-09 00:48:28 WID4: Oh, true.
2012-10-09 00:48:32 WID4: It gave me that message too.
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2012-10-09 00:48:39 TehRealGawd: so they have to be deliberately closing the connection
2012-10-09 00:48:41 WID4: So that means it wasn't because of... my special cookie settings?
2012-10-09 00:48:43 TehRealGawd: see like that person just pinged out
2012-10-09 00:49:05 TehRealGawd: I wouldn't assume so.
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2012-10-09 00:50:32 TehRealGawd: Hmm, do you all think that Javascript is going to become a prominent game progamming language in the future?
2012-10-09 00:50:44 WID4: Why not?
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2012-10-09 00:51:49 TehRealGawd: Idk I've seen people complaining because it takes forever to get to machine code
2012-10-09 00:51:58 TehRealGawd: much longer than native code or c++
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2012-10-09 00:52:04 WID4: I don't get what that means --
2012-10-09 00:52:14 WID4: JavaScript isn't compiled to machine code..
2012-10-09 00:52:18 WID4: So why would it ever get to machine code?
2012-10-09 00:52:44 TehRealGawd: Well from what I've read when javascript is ran in the browser the browser executes it into machine code
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2012-10-09 00:53:03 WID4: Well, of course..
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2012-10-09 00:53:09 WID4: But what really matters is the speed.
2012-10-09 00:53:36 TehRealGawd: Exactly, and from articles and things that i've seen and researched it takes longer to get from javascript-machine code than native programming languages
2012-10-09 00:53:42 shepazu: amirouche: we do plan to have translation and localization support, though it's not ready yet
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2012-10-09 00:54:06 WID4: shepazu: Will it use MediaWiki's localization features?
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2012-10-09 00:54:22 amirouche: shepazu, thx
2012-10-09 00:54:25 shepazu: WID4: no, I tried those, and they were not what I'd hoped
2012-10-09 00:54:28 TehRealGawd: which would make javascript slower in game-development/design but mozilla is actually pussing for WebGL for webgfx support of Javascript mainly for game development
2012-10-09 00:54:31 WID4: TehRealGawd: Well, since it's of a higher level, it's of course less fast... but it also has advantages over non-native langtuages.
2012-10-09 00:54:48 WID4: shepazu: Really? What do you mean by that?
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2012-10-09 00:55:16 WID4: TehRealGawd: For physics and rendering, I suppose WebCL can be used for faster speed.
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2012-10-09 00:55:28 WID4: Oh, look, someone with IPv6?
2012-10-09 00:55:36 TehRealGawd: yeah he was here earlier
2012-10-09 00:55:39 TehRealGawd: i was like "what the heck"
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2012-10-09 00:55:55 shepazu: WID4: I didn't think that the workflow was very good, and they required injecting too much extra markup into the wiki markup
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2012-10-09 00:56:06 TehRealGawd: but yeah i've only seen one sort of game company that actually has a pc game that wants to maneuver to javascript
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2012-10-09 00:56:17 TehRealGawd: and that's Runescape by the UK company JaGeX
2012-10-09 00:56:18 WID4: shepazu: What do you mean? It's just something like [[ISO code here:page name in other language]]
2012-10-09 00:56:23 alvincrespo_: hey everyone
2012-10-09 00:56:32 alvincrespo_: pretty sweet that we've got something like this going on
2012-10-09 00:56:39 shepazu: thanks, alvincrespo_
2012-10-09 00:56:41 amirouche: #mediawiki is CategoryTree extension available on webplatform's wikimedia ? ref: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
2012-10-09 00:56:45 WID4: alvincrespo_: Yep. I really like this project.
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2012-10-09 00:57:24 WID4: This channel has probably about a hundred persons in it, but only 10% are actually active?!?
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2012-10-09 00:57:39 iwani: Hey all!
2012-10-09 00:57:44 shepazu: hi, iwani
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2012-10-09 00:58:00 iwani: what are you guys up to?
2012-10-09 00:58:06 iwani: its only 9am here
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2012-10-09 00:58:13 WID4: We're talking about... various things... I guess.
2012-10-09 00:58:32 TehRealGawd: iwani, debating if i want to write a new IRC API with voice chat compatibility through javascript
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2012-10-09 00:58:45 amirouche: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css#Index_of_CSS_topics could be improve I think with Category Tree
2012-10-09 00:58:49 iwani: nice!
2012-10-09 00:58:51 amirouche: plus it's easier to parse
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2012-10-09 00:59:02 iwani: i'm still in awe about apple collaborating with others on this project teehee
2012-10-09 00:59:04 amirouche: aka. semantically more correct I think
2012-10-09 00:59:05 shepazu: iwani: you're in Japan?
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2012-10-09 00:59:24 iwani: @shepazu: malaysia actually!
2012-10-09 00:59:35 shepazu: iwani: oh, cool
2012-10-09 00:59:37 alvincrespo: I'm surprised that Mozilla is actually helping out as well
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2012-10-09 00:59:39 Guest16665: im from mars :)
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2012-10-09 00:59:44 Dennis___: cool site
2012-10-09 00:59:46 WID4: Why are you surprised of that, alvin?
2012-10-09 00:59:51 LOL_: lol
2012-10-09 00:59:54 iwani: lol!
2012-10-09 00:59:54 WID4: I'm pretty sure Mozilla would be the first to help in a such project..
2012-10-09 00:59:55 alvincrespo: Because MDN already exists
2012-10-09 00:59:57 TehRealGawd: alvincrespo, mozilla is always there to promote things m8 idk how you would be suprised
2012-10-09 00:59:59 WID4: Oh.
2012-10-09 01:00:07 shepazu: I'm originally from Mars, but I live in NC, USA now
2012-10-09 01:00:10 alvincrespo: well its just confusing with MDN
2012-10-09 01:00:11 Dennis___: I like this site style
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2012-10-09 01:00:19 TehRealGawd: shepazu, i live in TN so not far from you :P
2012-10-09 01:00:19 alvincrespo: i guess we can have more than 1 resource :)
2012-10-09 01:00:21 WID4: Mozilla is pretty much always one of the first to contribute to anything that would help the web.
2012-10-09 01:00:23 LOL_: I'm from inside the SUN
2012-10-09 01:00:24 iwani: i like the design style too
2012-10-09 01:00:25 LOL_: !!!
2012-10-09 01:00:28 alvincrespo: very true
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2012-10-09 01:00:32 LOL_: I'm going back
2012-10-09 01:00:38 LOL_: bye-bye
2012-10-09 01:00:41 WID4: I really couldn't have imagined this project not getting support from Mozilla.
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2012-10-09 01:00:45 alvincrespo: i guess i shouldn't be surprised, more like curious what may happen going forward
2012-10-09 01:00:48 iwani: see ya LOL_
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2012-10-09 01:01:14 shepazu: WID4: actually, Microsoft and Opera were the first backers of the project
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2012-10-09 01:01:27 WID4: shepazu: I know that.
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2012-10-09 01:01:34 Guest16665: I hope there I eventually get help here as I transition my site from PHP to ASP
2012-10-09 01:01:36 iwani: i think the Q&A section is kinda redundant.. we already have stackoverflow and other platforms
2012-10-09 01:01:43 iwani: i guess its good to have more platforms
2012-10-09 01:01:52 WID4: iwani: That might be a good point.
2012-10-09 01:01:53 alvincrespo: oh
2012-10-09 01:01:57 alvincrespo: just got a 503
2012-10-09 01:01:59 amirouche: shepazu, nice, how did it happen ?
2012-10-09 01:02:08 alvincrespo: yup, its down for me
2012-10-09 01:02:12 TehRealGawd: iwani, the whole point is to get rid of all the other sources
2012-10-09 01:02:14 iwani: Guest16665: I could help if its the other way around. ASP to PHP
2012-10-09 01:02:15 shepazu: amirouche: I asked for help, and I got it :)
2012-10-09 01:02:27 amirouche: héhé
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2012-10-09 01:02:32 alvincrespo: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
2012-10-09 01:02:32 TehRealGawd: if you read the blog it actually says how some sites have good aspects and bad aspects
2012-10-09 01:02:36 alvincrespo: anyone getting a 503 on that?
2012-10-09 01:02:37 Ryan_Lane: http://files.youngskilled.com/webplatform/
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2012-10-09 01:02:42 TehRealGawd: and how webplatform is aiming at being there for everything
2012-10-09 01:02:44 WID4: 503? Wait, 503 is...
2012-10-09 01:02:44 Ryan_Lane: someone just posted that on twitter :D
2012-10-09 01:02:51 Guest16665: really sucks switching i love php
2012-10-09 01:02:53 WID4: Wait, is 503 what I think it is?
2012-10-09 01:02:54 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: we're getting 503s
2012-10-09 01:02:54 Ryan_Lane: crap
2012-10-09 01:02:55 iwani: TehRealGawd: ahhh, thats what i thought! thanks
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2012-10-09 01:03:11 WID4: "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
2012-10-09 01:03:13 WID4: Come on...
2012-10-09 01:03:15 TehRealGawd: Ryan_Lane is breaking st00f lol
2012-10-09 01:03:20 alvincrespo: yay
2012-10-09 01:03:28 Ryan_Lane: odd
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2012-10-09 01:03:40 alvincrespo: its the internet gnomes
2012-10-09 01:03:52 fauverism_: i dig that #webplatform is made with wp
2012-10-09 01:03:54 Ryan_Lane: it's the slave
2012-10-09 01:03:58 shiver_: my html works look fine in windows, but messy in iOS, idon't know why
2012-10-09 01:03:58 amirouche: another idea, maybe already done, documentation of the platform of webplatform.org blog+wiki+QA is brilliant idea, I would like to see more of those
2012-10-09 01:04:16 iwani: fauverism: yay for wp!
2012-10-09 01:04:20 TehRealGawd: shiver, its not your html its your styling
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2012-10-09 01:04:31 TehRealGawd: that has to do with CSS or inline styling you're doing within html
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2012-10-09 01:04:49 WID4: Don't worry!  Just use deprecated font and tt elements and it'll all work perfectly!
2012-10-09 01:04:49 alvincrespo: inline styling
2012-10-09 01:04:51 alvincrespo: whoa now
2012-10-09 01:04:54 alvincrespo: :)
2012-10-09 01:05:04 TehRealGawd: I'd suggest grabbing which browser the computer is using, i think there is a javascript script to determine which one it is
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2012-10-09 01:05:26 fauverism_: i wish there was a platform for cms framework bugs, I beat my head against a wall daily because of SharePoint
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2012-10-09 01:05:32 TehRealGawd: then depending on which browser use a seperate .css file depending on the browser
2012-10-09 01:05:33 WID4: TehRealGawd: You can get it from the user agent...
2012-10-09 01:05:35 Ryan_Lane: back up
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2012-10-09 01:05:43 TehRealGawd: oh yeah you can can't you WID4
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2012-10-09 01:05:50 iwani: it'd be cool if webplatform has a section to learn codes online. i used to go through w3c html courses back thenn, it could be done better
2012-10-09 01:05:54 TehRealGawd: i forget all about things that are already there lol
2012-10-09 01:05:54 iwani: maybe something like codeacademy
2012-10-09 01:06:14 WID4: TehRealGawd: Wait, can't you do it by using the -moz-, -ms-, -o-, etc prefixes?
2012-10-09 01:06:16 TehRealGawd: iwani, there is a thing on the front page of the site for beginners
2012-10-09 01:06:36 TehRealGawd: WID4, erm yeah i think that's how the javascript script does it, I haven't used it in 3-4 months so i can't remember exactly
2012-10-09 01:06:36 WID4: TehRealGawd: I know these prefixes aren't there for that, but they would work without JavaScript...
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2012-10-09 01:06:52 WID4: I think it's better to avoid using JavaScript when you can avoid using it.
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2012-10-09 01:07:04 WID4: Not that JavaScript is bad.
2012-10-09 01:07:23 TehRealGawd: Yeah idk sometimes i tend to using something out of ease and my knowledge than something that is already there
2012-10-09 01:07:25 alvincrespo: so is the site aiming to also have backend languages like ruby/php?
2012-10-09 01:07:26 WID4: But when CSS can do it (like changing the color of a button when hovering), it's better to just use CSS. But anyone would agree with that, anyway.
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2012-10-09 01:07:37 skcin7: Whooo, bug submitted to bugzilla.
2012-10-09 01:07:53 WID4: Good question, alvin. We'd need someone to answer...
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2012-10-09 01:08:01 Ray___: Hello
2012-10-09 01:08:27 mVoid: It really shouldn't have backend
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2012-10-09 01:08:34 WID4: mVoid: Why?
2012-10-09 01:08:37 TehRealGawd: alvincrespo, a few of us have asked that but haven't got a reply yet
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2012-10-09 01:09:00 alvincrespo: I'm thinking we should have backend languages.
2012-10-09 01:09:01 WID4: Hey, the backend is important too for web development!
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2012-10-09 01:09:12 TehRealGawd: Honestly I would love for backend to be added to fix the holes and things that are in them
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2012-10-09 01:09:25 TehRealGawd: I've seen and had many complaints myself about PHP
2012-10-09 01:09:29 mVoid: But this is focus on web standards for the client site, that would pollute the sites purpose
2012-10-09 01:09:30 skcin7: I agree, I also think backend should be added.
2012-10-09 01:09:39 mVoid: side*
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2012-10-09 01:09:44 alvincrespo: I mean, if we really think about it - backend languages don't have a central location either
2012-10-09 01:10:02 alvincrespo: might be a big task to take on but it would make this site kickass
2012-10-09 01:10:12 TehRealGawd: alvincrespo, yeah back-ends are probably 10x less organized than front-ends are
2012-10-09 01:10:23 alvincrespo: especially if we look at it from the same approach when we document frontend code
2012-10-09 01:10:24 WID4: That's true.
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2012-10-09 01:10:34 WID4: While each back end language has its own documentation...
2012-10-09 01:10:39 WID4: Take Python or PHP, for example...
2012-10-09 01:10:47 WID4: Documentation for using these languages on the web is a bit more rare.
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2012-10-09 01:10:53 alvincrespo: Yes, definitely
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2012-10-09 01:11:00 skcin7: Backend languages can also be used for anything so other resources that may exist may not focus on web hosting. I think it would be good to have a resource for backend languages that are maintained by web developers.
2012-10-09 01:11:03 alvincrespo: the last time I did Ruby, just looking at their documentation was nasty
2012-10-09 01:11:28 TehRealGawd: i've been repelled from languages before just based on their documentation lol
2012-10-09 01:11:40 WID4: TehRealGawd: That's a real problem.
2012-10-09 01:11:50 WID4: Documentation is very important.
2012-10-09 01:11:53 alvincrespo: It might be alot to ask but, if we are definitely aiming to do web platforms then this would be something to definitely look at
2012-10-09 01:11:55 TehRealGawd: it's not fun trying to make things and having to wing it because you can't find a stable source.
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2012-10-09 01:11:59 mVoid: Ofcourse it would be nice, but not on this site, this site's focus is client side
2012-10-09 01:12:06 amirouche: is it OK if I send a mail instead of discussing here ? I see nobody sent anything is there a moratorium or something ? :)
2012-10-09 01:12:18 jkomoros: amirouche: Feel free to send mail
2012-10-09 01:12:30 alvincrespo: I guess we can get a forum started on it?
2012-10-09 01:12:40 jkomoros: That medium is better for some types of discussions
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2012-10-09 01:12:45 WID4: Communication: we have forums, wiki talk pages, a IRC chat room...
2012-10-09 01:12:47 TehRealGawd: alvincrespo, im sure they wouldn't mind if there were a forum discussion on it
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2012-10-09 01:12:55 WID4: We just need mailing lists and we have all the possible communication mediums...
2012-10-09 01:12:56 KevinsL: yo
2012-10-09 01:13:01 TehRealGawd: but mVoid is correct that this is a client-sided only project
2012-10-09 01:13:08 alvincrespo: wheres the mailing list?
2012-10-09 01:13:12 amirouche: I will til tomorrow, when I wake up thx
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2012-10-09 01:13:28 jkomoros: alvincrespo: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2012-10-09 01:13:43 jkomoros: (linked to from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Help )
2012-10-09 01:13:56 alvincrespo: nice, thanks everyone!
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2012-10-09 01:14:13 amirouche: anyway thx for this project, it promising :-)
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2012-10-09 01:14:34 amirouche: +1 on the backend language documentation
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2012-10-09 01:14:41 WID4 slaps amirouche around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:14:42 WID4 slaps amirouche around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:14:44 amirouche: huhu
2012-10-09 01:14:47 skcin7: How exactly are big companies such as Microsoft, Facebook, Google, HP, Adobe, Mozilla, Opera participating in this project?
2012-10-09 01:14:55 xabr slaps cfjedimaster around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:14:56 harryrf: What I want to know is, why does this never ending loop stop. http://jsfiddle.net/nSsR6/
2012-10-09 01:14:59 amirouche: skcin7, providing bits ;)
2012-10-09 01:14:59 WID4: Giving money, employees, etc.
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2012-10-09 01:15:25 jkomoros: skcin7: See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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2012-10-09 01:15:37 WID4: harryrf: Wouldn't that cause a stack overflow?
2012-10-09 01:15:38 jkomoros: but what WID4 said is accurate, too
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2012-10-09 01:15:53 viethp: hello
2012-10-09 01:16:01 chris_: hi
2012-10-09 01:16:06 xabr: harryrf, Maximum call stack size exceeded
2012-10-09 01:16:07 alvincrespo: @harryrf , why would you do that?
2012-10-09 01:16:11 hymaster: hey folks
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2012-10-09 01:16:16 alvincrespo: yeah what @xabr said
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2012-10-09 01:16:34 WID4: Come on, why do so many people join and why do they join so fast?
2012-10-09 01:16:36 harryrf: So, the browser has a "safety" in it?
2012-10-09 01:16:40 eternicode: I think I'm -1 on backend documentation.  I mean, how deep would that go?  Are we going to document database systems, server OSes, etc?
2012-10-09 01:16:40 WID4: 3-5 people join every minute...
2012-10-09 01:16:41 skcin7: Awesome
2012-10-09 01:16:45 testMan: whts going on
2012-10-09 01:16:46 chris_: you mean leave so fast
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2012-10-09 01:16:55 testMan: who is here for what puprpose
2012-10-09 01:16:57 harryrf: And the reason for doing it, is to see what it does
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2012-10-09 01:17:09 testMan: yeah thts correct
2012-10-09 01:17:14 mVoid: What i feel is, backend is usually implemented one place, and have their own comprehensive documentation, one place. whereas HTML, CSS, and JS is implented by  different browsers, and all with various levels of compatability, and we need a standard for those.
2012-10-09 01:17:15 chris_: im just checking this chat thing out, just saw a movie about webplatform
2012-10-09 01:17:30 WID4: Let's slap everyone in the channel!
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2012-10-09 01:17:35 harryrf: chris_: Can you post the link to the video?
2012-10-09 01:17:37 harryrf: I haven't seen it
2012-10-09 01:17:41 WID4 slaps alvincrespo around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:42 WID4 slaps amirouche around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:44 WID4 slaps antonjb around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:45 WID4 slaps antonkovalyov around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:46 WID4 slaps AskMP around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:49 alvincrespo: lolz
2012-10-09 01:17:50 chris_: yes1
2012-10-09 01:17:50 chris_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=g-all-esi
2012-10-09 01:17:54 WID4: 2 hours later...
2012-10-09 01:17:56 skcin7: mVoid - I thought we had a standard, just the issue is that there is no requirement that all of the major browsers abide by it.
2012-10-09 01:17:58 WID4 slaps Wilto around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:17:59 harryrf: thansk
2012-10-09 01:18:00 WID4 slaps wp-logger around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 01:18:13 hymaster: @chris_, sounds intersting, care to provide link to the movie?
2012-10-09 01:18:17 chris_: you're welcome
2012-10-09 01:18:29 iwani: i wish there's a platform for us to look for web gigs easier. i liked the original tinyproj.com
2012-10-09 01:18:29 hymaster: thanks!
2012-10-09 01:18:29 AskMP: •WID4 what type of fish?
2012-10-09 01:18:37 chris_: its a promotional thingy for webplatform... you people must have seen it already :)
2012-10-09 01:18:38 eternicode: hymaster, it's probably just the one on the homepage
2012-10-09 01:18:39 iwani: barramundi!
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2012-10-09 01:19:04 skcin7: Is that Sublime Text editor that at 10 seconds in that video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=g-all-esi&t=10s
2012-10-09 01:19:17 WID4: Sublime Text is amazing.
2012-10-09 01:19:26 mVoid: looks like it
2012-10-09 01:19:31 alvincrespo: started using Sublime Text, Yeoman and Alfred at work
2012-10-09 01:19:32 alvincrespo: so amazing
2012-10-09 01:19:36 WID4: Yes, yes, it's Sublime Text.
2012-10-09 01:19:39 alvincrespo: my workflow is just that much better
2012-10-09 01:19:43 WID4: I'm pretty sure it is, I recognize the splitting.
2012-10-09 01:19:44 iwani: i use notepad++ good enough for me hehe
2012-10-09 01:19:47 WID4: c9.io is pretty nice too, btw
2012-10-09 01:19:55 WID4: c9.io is the web equivalent of Sublime Text
2012-10-09 01:19:59 WID4: But I don't like everything about it.
2012-10-09 01:20:03 skcin7: I thought it was, wasn't sure. I hated Sublime at first. I'm just starting to use it because I can't find a better editor, and now I'm realizing that I've fallen in love with it. *embarrased*
2012-10-09 01:20:04 WID4: I have to say that Brackets is pretty nice.
2012-10-09 01:20:09 TehRealGawd: lol yeah i use N++ with a custom theme i made
2012-10-09 01:20:19 WID4: But Notepad++ isn't cross platform! D:
2012-10-09 01:20:21 alvincrespo: I tried c9.io and thought it was great
2012-10-09 01:20:24 mVoid: I've become addicted to sublime packages
2012-10-09 01:20:29 alvincrespo: but clients aren't so happy about cloud based editing
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2012-10-09 01:20:49 alvincrespo: yay notepad++
2012-10-09 01:20:50 TehRealGawd: meh, i do most of my dev on Windows OS
2012-10-09 01:20:55 TehRealGawd: so N++ is fine
2012-10-09 01:21:00 iwani: ok guys gotta go. work's calling
2012-10-09 01:21:06 skcin7: I switched from Windows to Mac about a year ago and I LOVED Notepad++, was very sad I couldn't use it anymore. Now I use Sublime Text and I love it equally.
2012-10-09 01:21:06 iwani: catch y'all later
2012-10-09 01:21:15 skcin7: Peace iwani
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2012-10-09 01:21:19 TehRealGawd: Been actually using Visual Studio 2012 alot though actually
2012-10-09 01:21:19 alvincrespo: have fun!
2012-10-09 01:21:24 WID4: You love Sublime Text equally? How can you not love it more?
2012-10-09 01:21:27 TehRealGawd: it came with the dev version of Win8
2012-10-09 01:21:29 alvincrespo: VS is actually pretty awesome
2012-10-09 01:21:37 iwani: im on twitter if y'all want to keep in touch. twitter.com/iwani
2012-10-09 01:21:39 socialhapy: ★ iwani has protected tweets
2012-10-09 01:21:39 iwani: later!!
2012-10-09 01:21:40 WID4: VS can be good for some things, but web development?
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2012-10-09 01:22:03 skcin7: WID4 - Probably because my memory of Notepad++ is not as good as Notepad++ actually is. Haha.
2012-10-09 01:22:04 mVoid: Theres a VS designed for web development WID4
2012-10-09 01:22:05 alvincrespo: yeah, it can be good for web dev as well
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2012-10-09 01:22:08 TehRealGawd: WID4, they have a built in thing to test javascript and other things in VS12 now
2012-10-09 01:22:13 skcin7: Everybody seems to think Sublime Text is superior to Notepad++.
2012-10-09 01:22:13 _Marcus: Hi!
2012-10-09 01:22:15 alvincrespo: at least from my experience, it was definitely helpful
2012-10-09 01:22:24 TehRealGawd: because Win8 Applications can be written in Javascript
2012-10-09 01:22:29 WID4: mVoid, you mean that web thing by Microsoft?
2012-10-09 01:22:36 TehRealGawd: so they created an enviroment for it
2012-10-09 01:22:37 WID4: I recall they made an application for web development...
2012-10-09 01:22:40 mVoid: No no, not that, i mean VS
2012-10-09 01:22:41 WID4: Web Matrix, I think?
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2012-10-09 01:23:53 mVoid: Not web matrix, just visual studio
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2012-10-09 01:24:42 mVoid: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/products/visual-studio-express-for-web#product-express-web-details
2012-10-09 01:24:48 alvincrespo: still getting 503 on alot of these pages
2012-10-09 01:24:57 mVoid: i dont use it myself, i guess its mostly for the ASP MVC guys
2012-10-09 01:25:28 Ryan_Lane: alvincrespo: yeah. they are stuck in cache
2012-10-09 01:25:33 skcin7: Damn, that's a sexy looking website
2012-10-09 01:25:38 Ryan_Lane: everyone hold onto your pants, I'm dumping all the frontend cache
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2012-10-09 01:25:47 alvincrespo: pants are on
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2012-10-09 01:26:11 Yago: oi
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2012-10-09 01:26:18 Yago: hi everybody
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2012-10-09 01:26:23 chris_: hi
2012-10-09 01:26:40 samplusplus: hi
2012-10-09 01:26:41 harryrf: How do I make spelling correction on one of the entries?
2012-10-09 01:26:58 Ryan_Lane: ok. 500 errors should be gone
2012-10-09 01:27:02 Ryan_Lane: harryrf: make an account
2012-10-09 01:27:07 Ryan_Lane: harryrf: then edit the page
2012-10-09 01:27:10 Yago: this site it's awesome
2012-10-09 01:27:26 Yago: the design
2012-10-09 01:27:29 harryrf: Okay, already have the account.
2012-10-09 01:27:31 harryrf: let me see
2012-10-09 01:27:39 _Marcus: Can someone explain to me what Web Platform is exactly? I didn't understand it from the main page.
2012-10-09 01:27:42 harryrf: :facepalm:
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2012-10-09 01:27:50 chris_: me neither...
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2012-10-09 01:28:21 samplusplus: Does this video help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded
2012-10-09 01:28:22 chris_: i think its about expanding documentation for known languages by a community...
2012-10-09 01:28:27 chris_: but im not too sure
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2012-10-09 01:28:43 Ryan_Lane: chris_: it's about documenting web technologies
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2012-10-09 01:29:12 _Marcus: I thought W3 does that
2012-10-09 01:29:15 chris_: yes, but that seems to me as a too short description
2012-10-09 01:29:19 skcin7: Ryan_Lane: How would it differ from other websites that aim to have a similar goal? Like W3 or MDN?
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2012-10-09 01:29:31 fjc: hello
2012-10-09 01:29:31 Ryan_Lane: the content mostly comes from them
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2012-10-09 01:29:48 samplusplus: The idea seems to be bringing all that content to one place.
2012-10-09 01:29:54 chris_: is it supposed to be a one stop shop for documentation?
2012-10-09 01:29:55 fjc: pwd
2012-10-09 01:30:03 Ryan_Lane: I'm not going to give a great description, though. I'm just doing the infrastructure part :)
2012-10-09 01:30:09 chris_: why would you when there is ... google?
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2012-10-09 01:30:28 harryrf: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics
2012-10-09 01:30:33 harryrf: In loops,  for(var i = 0;i &lt; 11;i = i + 2){
2012-10-09 01:30:34 skcin7: My impression is that it will also offer things like tutorials and documents about how to use some of that technology in practice, instead of just the raw documentation itself. No?
2012-10-09 01:30:37 harryrf: shows up just as that
2012-10-09 01:30:47 harryrf: &lt; instead of <
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2012-10-09 01:32:15 chris_: well im off, its far past midnight, have a great day/night y'all
2012-10-09 01:32:19 justin: hello
2012-10-09 01:32:24 harryrf: later chris
2012-10-09 01:32:26 skcin7: Nighty night chris_
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2012-10-09 01:32:29 alvincrespo: yeah, im headed out
2012-10-09 01:32:32 alvincrespo: need to wake up early
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2012-10-09 01:32:35 alvincrespo: cheers everyone
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2012-10-09 01:32:39 skcin7: Nighty night alvincrespo
2012-10-09 01:32:40 skcin7: I'm never sure about who to trust or not if I'm looking at a web tutorial. A place I can trust for tutorials would be sweet in addition to the documentation.
2012-10-09 01:32:42 alvincrespo: looking forward to doing some cool stuff here
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2012-10-09 01:33:29 test8708: sup
2012-10-09 01:33:35 Dee_: yeep
2012-10-09 01:33:48 pyrotechnick: http://www1.webplatform.org/
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2012-10-09 01:33:57 pyrotechnick: is that really something you want to be passing off as a standard?
2012-10-09 01:34:02 pyrotechnick: the www1 thing
2012-10-09 01:34:12 Dee_: Тут по русски кто нибудь говорит? )
2012-10-09 01:34:19 eternicode: So, question: why WYSIWYG and not markdown in the Q&A section?  Markdown is pretty standard for such apps.
2012-10-09 01:34:21 Ryan_Lane: pyrotechnick: of course not
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2012-10-09 01:34:26 Ordona: It irked me at the beginning too pyrotechnick
2012-10-09 01:34:26 pyrotechnick: it's bikeshedding i know, but it seems like this is what it's all about?
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2012-10-09 01:34:33 pyrotechnick: just a heads up.
2012-10-09 01:34:34 Ryan_Lane: pyrotechnick: we needed to switch static resources to frontend cache
2012-10-09 01:34:41 pyrotechnick: people are going to bitch about it until you remove it
2012-10-09 01:34:42 Ryan_Lane: we needed to make a cname that wasn't already DNS cached
2012-10-09 01:34:48 Ryan_Lane: we're removing it tomorrow
2012-10-09 01:34:53 pyrotechnick: sick lads
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2012-10-09 01:35:19 skcin7: Hahaha I asked the same thing about the www1 thing. I guess you guys get that a lot?
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2012-10-09 01:35:33 pyrotechnick: also is there a coding standard? tabs/spaces etc
2012-10-09 01:35:37 Ryan_Lane: yeah. it hurt my soul a little to do that :)
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2012-10-09 01:35:56 Ryan_Lane: but it was either that or have responsiveness issues
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2012-10-09 01:36:17 pyrotechnick: maybe you need a "known issues" page just outlining these things
2012-10-09 01:36:19 Ryan_Lane: a working site always wins
2012-10-09 01:36:29 Ryan_Lane: meh. it'll be gone in like 12 hours
2012-10-09 01:36:30 ohman: oh man!
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2012-10-09 01:36:32 ohman: this is co0o0
2012-10-09 01:36:34 ohman: l
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2012-10-09 01:36:47 ohman: hello!
2012-10-09 01:36:51 ohman: welcome
2012-10-09 01:36:53 unix88: how are you?
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2012-10-09 01:37:07 ohman: good!
2012-10-09 01:37:08 ohman: yous?
2012-10-09 01:37:12 unix88: i'm novice developer, can you give me your opinion about this site?
2012-10-09 01:37:18 unix88: fine tahnks!
2012-10-09 01:37:21 unix88: thanks*
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2012-10-09 01:37:48 ohman: i am beginning as well ><
2012-10-09 01:37:51 ohman: but shoot
2012-10-09 01:38:09 unix88: oooh!
2012-10-09 01:38:15 unix88: are you experimented programmer?
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2012-10-09 01:39:44 pyrotechnick: what stops bots from doing math captchas?
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2012-10-09 01:40:08 wedodev: how is everyone liking the site?
2012-10-09 01:40:13 eternicode: pyrotechnick, probably knowledge that it's a math captcha :)
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2012-10-09 01:40:54 Shad0w59_: it's a cool idea
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2012-10-09 01:41:06 shepazu: pyrotechnick: if we get problems, we'll put more rigorous safeguards in place
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2012-10-09 01:41:14 shepazu: but we wanted low barriers for the beginning
2012-10-09 01:41:49 pyrotechnick: problem with captchas now is computers can do more than humans >.<
2012-10-09 01:42:10 pyrotechnick: ironic i know
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2012-10-09 01:42:29 Shad0w59_: any ideas why http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ doesn't work but http://webchat.freenode.net/ that I am on now is fine?
2012-10-09 01:42:40 harryrf: It seems if you have <syntaxhighlight lang="javascript"></...> that contains a &lt; entities, they show at &lt; and not <
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2012-10-09 01:43:47 test_wp: Shad0w59_: it works for me
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2012-10-09 01:44:06 Shad0w59_: I get this in a dialog box: An error occured: invalid session, this most likely means the server has restarted close this dialog and then try refreshing
2012-10-09 01:44:28 Ryan_Lane: hm
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2012-10-09 01:44:35 _2356: What is this?
2012-10-09 01:44:44 Shad0w59_: freenode.net is running qwebirc v0.91
2012-10-09 01:44:47 Ryan_Lane: Shad0w59_: what OS are you on?
2012-10-09 01:44:53 Shad0w59_: windows 7
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2012-10-09 01:45:10 Ryan_Lane: I wonder if this is due to the frontend cache its passing through
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2012-10-09 01:45:58 h43: i love that the site has IRC, I can definitely see myself coming back to ask for advice on projects
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2012-10-09 01:46:10 harryrf: Shad0w59_: It's working on my end
2012-10-09 01:46:16 Killswitch: Just got back from doing some pilates, just kidding I'm eating sausage biscuits.
2012-10-09 01:46:18 Ryan_Lane: Shad0w59_: I think it's due to our load balancers
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2012-10-09 01:46:21 harryrf: I have Win7 and am using Chrome
2012-10-09 01:46:24 Ryan_Lane: we're working on it
2012-10-09 01:46:26 Shad0w59_: I get the same on chrome
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2012-10-09 01:47:03 Shad0w59_: thanks for looking into it
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2012-10-09 01:47:33 Shad0w59_: h43: yeah super cool that irc is here
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2012-10-09 01:47:50 Shad0w59_: I think i'll learn a lot just reading the logs....
2012-10-09 01:48:08 HackerOUT: Hi All,
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2012-10-09 01:49:30 eternicode: h43, II'm not 100% sure, but I think the IRC channel is more for meta discussion than webdev discussion.
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2012-10-09 02:09:45 testie: hello
2012-10-09 02:09:53 ctoveloz[BR]: hello
2012-10-09 02:09:58 testie: lol hello
2012-10-09 02:10:04 ctoveloz[BR]: lol hi
2012-10-09 02:10:16 testie: i'm just "testing" lol
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2012-10-09 02:10:34 testie: do they talk about node.js on this site?
2012-10-09 02:10:38 ctoveloz[BR]: hello hi lol
2012-10-09 02:10:47 testie: im node developer
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2012-10-09 02:11:31 _31: node.js <3
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2012-10-09 02:14:08 ctoveloz[BR]: which company you guys work?
2012-10-09 02:14:11 AAAAAAAAAAAA: Habr?
2012-10-09 02:14:14 Ar9_: :D
2012-10-09 02:14:20 iTechHelp: Hello
2012-10-09 02:14:25 gluxon: _31: Node.js is pretty sweet :P
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2012-10-09 02:15:10 iTechHelp: Not sure about this chat section... may be impractical
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2012-10-09 02:15:51 Wanpeng: hi,guys, is there a irc channel available in pidgin?
2012-10-09 02:16:04 gluxon: Wanpeng: Clarify?
2012-10-09 02:16:10 gluxon: Pidgin has an IRC component.
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2012-10-09 02:16:21 gluxon: Are you asking about how to use it?
2012-10-09 02:16:36 Wanpeng: yes in pidgin
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2012-10-09 02:17:16 DarkSorcerer: Hello !
2012-10-09 02:17:39 h43: Ping timeout: 256 seconds
2012-10-09 02:17:46 DarkSorcerer: Algum brasileiro ?
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2012-10-09 02:19:52 gluxon: Wanpeng: Open up the Buddy List.
2012-10-09 02:20:03 gluxon: Hit Accounts -> Manage Accounts
2012-10-09 02:20:12 ctoveloz[BR]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mibbit-webchat/hbadbkkklnhamjjeagmknajgmbgcmnpi?hl=es
2012-10-09 02:20:17 gluxon: In the window that pops up, hit "Add..."
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2012-10-09 02:20:32 gluxon: Then just select IRC in the "Protocol:" field and enter your auth info.
2012-10-09 02:20:38 gluxon: Easy peasy! :)
2012-10-09 02:20:41 ctoveloz[BR]: DarkSorcerer: eu man :)
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2012-10-09 02:22:54 Swk1: Someone can tell me if this version will page to Portuguese (Brazil)?
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2012-10-09 02:23:47 Swk1: @DarkSorcerer ensinar novas tecnologias web?
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2012-10-09 02:25:07 horse_ebooks: big fan
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2012-10-09 02:28:10 Dygear: Who ever did the web IRC client, good job!
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2012-10-09 02:29:36 Dygear: So the forum's look quite a lot like most Stack Exchange sites, but it does not have a federated login, what gives?
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2012-10-09 02:30:02 shepazu: Dygear: we're working on that :)
2012-10-09 02:30:10 TuanAnh: hi all
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2012-10-09 02:30:31 Dygear: Ah, thank you! Would you by chance happen to have an ETA? Or is it gonna be 'When it's done' kinda thing.
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2012-10-09 02:30:48 shepazu: Dygear: Real Soon Now (â„¢) :)
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2012-10-09 02:30:59 Dygear: lol, got ya. Thank you.
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2012-10-09 02:32:21 horse_ebooks: i've learned a deep, american economic secret. and i will share it with you.
2012-10-09 02:32:34 shepazu: please do, horse_ebooks
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2012-10-09 02:35:23 Donny: any one home?
2012-10-09 02:35:41 Donny: Hi, all~~
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2012-10-09 02:39:07 AspireCreation: i come from thailand
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2012-10-09 02:45:34 horse_ebooks: it's amazing what a couple of names will do for an idea
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2012-10-09 02:45:46 CloudYan: 试试中文
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2012-10-09 02:46:35 Abduxkur_: 这个聊天室的目的是什么？
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2012-10-09 02:46:43 CloudYan: 讨论问题吧
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2012-10-09 02:47:16 Abduxkur_: HTML5
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2012-10-09 02:47:32 CloudYan: hello，any body english man
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2012-10-09 02:48:26 lodeman: hi
2012-10-09 02:48:29 UFO_: ))
2012-10-09 02:48:30 Abduxkur_: :-)
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2012-10-09 02:48:50 shepazu: good morning, asia and russian and india!
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2012-10-09 02:48:59 Abduxkur_: what exactly are we here for?
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2012-10-09 02:49:04 honk: morning
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2012-10-09 02:49:11 Dygear: To talk about the site :).
2012-10-09 02:49:13 Abduxkur_: hello to every one
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2012-10-09 02:49:18 CloudYan: 我喜欢这种即时平台，但是没有详细的分组，很不好
2012-10-09 02:49:23 Abduxkur_: this site?
2012-10-09 02:49:23 CloudYan: 问题太乱了
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2012-10-09 02:49:23 Boom: My friend just introduce the web for me
2012-10-09 02:49:29 Abduxkur_: allright
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2012-10-09 02:49:41 Dygear: Abduxkur_ Yes
2012-10-09 02:49:42 rayhanraj: what abt it?
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2012-10-09 02:49:55 shepazu: Dygear: I would say, to help each other with web development and design questions :D
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2012-10-09 02:50:14 CloudYan: I like it
2012-10-09 02:50:14 beartai: Hi
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2012-10-09 02:50:26 shepazu: hi, astearns
2012-10-09 02:50:28 Abduxkur_: some body throw a topic
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2012-10-09 02:50:31 horse_ebooks: shepazu: so the idea is that this will be like, the go to site I can point my noob friends to
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2012-10-09 02:50:35 antonjb: part
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2012-10-09 02:50:37 horse_ebooks: to learn how to html good
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2012-10-09 02:50:45 CloudYan: If grouping on better
2012-10-09 02:50:46 Dygear: @shepazu: Oh, that's a broad topic! So it's not just about making this site better, you also can do live Q&A on here? Woo!
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2012-10-09 02:50:59 CloudYan: like as css,html5,
2012-10-09 02:51:06 shepazu: horse_ebooks, something like that :)
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2012-10-09 02:51:32 horse_ebooks: shepazu: awesome dude, I need a less-dickish-but-more-informative-than-lmgtfy approach, this will be perfect
2012-10-09 02:51:34 shepazu: Dygear: I'm hoping that's what people use the chat channel for… it might take a while to settle down
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2012-10-09 02:52:25 lqs: so many people, but not chating
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2012-10-09 02:52:27 shepazu: horse_ebooks: eventually, we will have a bot that retrieves links to the wiki when people ask it to
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2012-10-09 02:52:51 Dygear: Shepazu, yeah there is quite a poor signal to noise ratio right now.
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2012-10-09 02:53:12 shepazu: Dygear: only natural, people are checking it out for the first time
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2012-10-09 02:53:22 horse_ebooks: shepazu: glorious
2012-10-09 02:53:24 shepazu: but in a couple weeks, it will be "normal"
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2012-10-09 02:53:39 Pp: Haha
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2012-10-09 02:53:43 shepazu: Dygear: about 12 hours ago
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2012-10-09 02:53:49 Ordona: I think 12, Dygear
2012-10-09 02:53:52 Dygear: Oh, wow!
2012-10-09 02:53:54 horse_ebooks: shepazu: I sure hope you've had dinner by now
2012-10-09 02:53:56 Abduxkur_: really>
2012-10-09 02:53:58 horse_ebooks: that's a long time for lunch
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2012-10-09 02:54:16 Ordona: I enjoy 12 hour lunches myself horse_ebooks
2012-10-09 02:54:16 Charin: Hello
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2012-10-09 02:54:21 shepazu: this is my baby :)
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2012-10-09 02:54:58 shepazu: Abduxkur_: well, me and a bunch of other people :D
2012-10-09 02:55:03 Charin slaps letterpress around a bit with a large fishbot
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2012-10-09 02:55:22 shepazu: ok, that fishbot nonsense has to stop :)
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2012-10-09 02:57:05 ___: what
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2012-10-09 02:57:46 someguy: oh no, this could make irc popular again.  I can't do things that are popular!
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2012-10-09 02:58:16 Ordona: IRC still is popular :P
2012-10-09 02:58:18 ydrean: tecmundo :D
2012-10-09 02:58:20 ctoveloz[BR]_: whi best popular client irc
2012-10-09 02:58:20 ctoveloz[BR]_: free
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2012-10-09 02:58:25 ctoveloz[BR]_: ?
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2012-10-09 02:58:32 Abduxkur: I am going to buy Nokia lumia 920
2012-10-09 02:58:34 Sujith: hello
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2012-10-09 02:58:41 Abduxkur: iPhone 5 sux
2012-10-09 02:58:47 Ordona: mIRC or HexChat/xChat probably ctoveloz[BR]_
2012-10-09 02:58:55 Mondor: yeee ))
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2012-10-09 02:59:04 Abduxkur: no effence to any apple fan
2012-10-09 02:59:16 shepazu: Abduxkur: buy me one too :)
2012-10-09 02:59:16 Dygear: I have an iPhone 5, and my only problem with it is that it does not support EventSource within it's browser, but it does support WebSockets.
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2012-10-09 02:59:48 Abduxkur: @shepazu hahaha
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2012-10-09 02:59:58 shepazu: Dygear: that sounds like a terrible product… you should send it to me instead, so you don't have to use it
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2012-10-09 03:00:02 NBSmallTree: Hello everyone
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2012-10-09 03:00:10 shepazu: hi, NBSmallTree
2012-10-09 03:00:10 wewer: hello
2012-10-09 03:00:12 Abduxkur: nice one
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2012-10-09 03:00:20 Aljutor: oh a lot of connect, disconnect  ....
2012-10-09 03:00:33 Dygear: Nice try shepazu, but I would not trade it in, it's still a pretty fantastic device otherwise. :)
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2012-10-09 03:00:36 shepazu: yes, we're in the Churn
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2012-10-09 03:00:57 NBSmallTree: What we can do here?
2012-10-09 03:01:00 shepazu: Dygear: I am willing to keep trying to persuade you … :D
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2012-10-09 03:01:16 shepazu: NBSmallTree: we ask web dev and design questions, and answer them
2012-10-09 03:01:16 barneybook_work: part
2012-10-09 03:01:17 shepazu: a
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2012-10-09 03:01:18 shepazu: n
2012-10-09 03:01:22 Dygear: Well, you can try, but I don't think it's gonna work.
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2012-10-09 03:01:32 shepazu: and complain about webplatform.org :)
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2012-10-09 03:01:44 aasdfghjk: what?
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2012-10-09 03:01:50 QQ_: HELLLO
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2012-10-09 03:01:53 NBSmallTree: I see
2012-10-09 03:02:01 aasdfghjk: awesome
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2012-10-09 03:02:11 QQ_: Hi
2012-10-09 03:02:14 Aljutor: possible to hide: "joined" , "quiet" ?
2012-10-09 03:02:15 aasdfghjk: heello
2012-10-09 03:02:30 BLURBU: Helo
2012-10-09 03:02:32 aasdfghjk: ldkf;s
2012-10-09 03:02:32 shepazu: Aljutor: yeah, I think I'll try to do that
2012-10-09 03:02:35 QQ_: where are you from
2012-10-09 03:02:35 Sep_: 你好
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2012-10-09 03:02:40 NBSmallTree: QQ,Are you from China?
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2012-10-09 03:02:42 aasdfghjk: ni hao ma
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2012-10-09 03:02:57 shepazu: wa hung hao
2012-10-09 03:03:00 QQ_: Yes
2012-10-09 03:03:06 NBSmallTree: China Zhejiang
2012-10-09 03:03:12 Abduxkur: @shepazu i am wondering how you are gonne persude him
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2012-10-09 03:03:15 aasdfghjk: should be "wo he hao"
2012-10-09 03:03:17 QQ_: China Shanghai
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2012-10-09 03:03:23 NBSmallTree: soga
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2012-10-09 03:03:24 JuniorBR: hi guys
2012-10-09 03:03:26 shepazu: isn't QQ a chinese browser?
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2012-10-09 03:03:28 JuniorBR: im from brazil
2012-10-09 03:03:33 aasdfghjk: hahhahaa
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2012-10-09 03:03:34 aasdfghjk: K
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2012-10-09 03:03:35 JuniorBR: im developer front-end
2012-10-09 03:03:38 NBSmallTree: yeah
2012-10-09 03:03:43 aasdfghjk: anu ba yan,,
2012-10-09 03:03:44 uuiu9: hi
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2012-10-09 03:03:46 ctoveloz[BR]: JuniorBR, iae ;D
2012-10-09 03:03:47 shepazu: hi, JuniorBR, you're up late
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2012-10-09 03:03:49 Aljutor: shepazu If there are successes Tell me =)
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2012-10-09 03:03:54 Abduxkur: QQ isnt a browser
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2012-10-09 03:04:02 Abduxkur: QQ has many product
2012-10-09 03:04:06 test_: Hello
2012-10-09 03:04:06 QQ_: i'll quit
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2012-10-09 03:04:08 Dygear_: Well, that was fun, the web client crashed.
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2012-10-09 03:04:14 shepazu: Aljutor: it will take me a couple days
2012-10-09 03:04:18 NBSmallTree: QQ is a IM
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2012-10-09 03:04:21 __s slaps skcin7 around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 03:04:22 shepazu: sign
2012-10-09 03:04:24 aasdfghjk: Okay. Walang kwenta hahahahaha shet
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2012-10-09 03:04:28 shepazu: ah, ok
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2012-10-09 03:04:33 aasdfghjk: K^
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2012-10-09 03:04:59 aasdfghjk: SIMSIMI PLEASEEE
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2012-10-09 03:05:07 skcin7: Hey, that hurt!
2012-10-09 03:05:10 JuniorBR: bacana esse site, falta versão em portugues.
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2012-10-09 03:05:11 aasdfghjk: wla namang kwenta eh. GULO
2012-10-09 03:05:14 aasdfghjk: Shet
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2012-10-09 03:05:22 aasdfghjk: Shet lang
2012-10-09 03:05:26 aasdfghjk: Tae
2012-10-09 03:05:27 NBSmallTree: Tencent QQ support online chat, video telephony, point-to-point HTTP files, share files, network drives, self-definition panel, QQ-mail and other functions, and can be connected with a variety of means of communication such as mobile communication terminal.
2012-10-09 03:05:31 venjiang: Client Quit
2012-10-09 03:05:31 aasdfghjk: alis nalang ako.
2012-10-09 03:05:32 __Paulo_23: algum brasileiro?
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2012-10-09 03:05:36 ctoveloz[BR]: JuniorBR,  faz aew então :P
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2012-10-09 03:05:40 shepazu probably deserved that
2012-10-09 03:05:44 Abduxkur: no ads here
2012-10-09 03:05:44 aasdfghjk: COPY PASTE DIN ;>
2012-10-09 03:05:50 aasdfghjk: OKAY
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2012-10-09 03:05:52 aasdfghjk: HHAHA
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2012-10-09 03:05:54 JuniorBR: legal sao eles msm traduzir.
2012-10-09 03:05:59 aasdfghjk: wlaang kwentaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2012-10-09 03:05:59 BLURBU: fire!
2012-10-09 03:06:02 BLURBU: Fire!
2012-10-09 03:06:03 aasdfghjk: tokshit
2012-10-09 03:06:08 NBSmallTree: I just wanna explain
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2012-10-09 03:06:16 BLURBU: everybody, get out!
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2012-10-09 03:06:20 BLURBU: Fire!
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2012-10-09 03:06:24 ctoveloz[BR]: JuniorBR, trabalha com que ?
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2012-10-09 03:06:27 Abduxkur: @shepazu you've so quite after I spap you
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2012-10-09 03:06:33 Ramiro: hola
2012-10-09 03:06:34 JuniorBR: algum brasileiro ai sabe alguma novidade pra plataforma do ie9? adaptaçãos do html5?
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2012-10-09 03:06:41 JuniorBR: sou desenvolvedor front-end
2012-10-09 03:06:44 shepazu: Abduxkur: just working :)
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2012-10-09 03:07:08 Ramiro: alguien de argentina?
2012-10-09 03:07:09 ctoveloz[BR]: tambem :)
2012-10-09 03:07:11 wilson1315: How are you guys?
2012-10-09 03:07:12 Aljutor: when server will crash?
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2012-10-09 03:07:20 Abduxkur: thought you passed out
2012-10-09 03:07:26 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro,  estoy en argentina... pero soy brasileño ;)
2012-10-09 03:07:27 jackyjia: whois
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2012-10-09 03:07:32 Abduxkur: :-)
2012-10-09 03:07:33 jackyjia: test
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2012-10-09 03:07:41 shepazu: Abduxkur: :)
2012-10-09 03:07:43 Ramiro: bien ahi ;)
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2012-10-09 03:07:59 iyyy: hi
2012-10-09 03:08:02 Abduxkur: ok folks, I should get back to work
2012-10-09 03:08:02 Ramiro: un qulombito se mandaron con ete chat :S
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2012-10-09 03:08:12 Abduxkur: see you guys
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2012-10-09 03:08:23 saGa: hi
2012-10-09 03:08:23 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro,  si y hoy es lo primeiro dia jaja
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2012-10-09 03:08:45 abcfgh: Ä‘asadadasdasd
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2012-10-09 03:08:49 abcfgh: chat voi nhau the nao
2012-10-09 03:08:51 Webby: ?
2012-10-09 03:08:54 abcfgh: dkm
2012-10-09 03:08:57 Webby: what?
2012-10-09 03:09:00 abcfgh: hello
2012-10-09 03:09:02 Webby: sorry, what?
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2012-10-09 03:09:04 abcfgh: webby
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2012-10-09 03:09:06 JuniorBR: IE9 news about adapting to html5 and css3?
2012-10-09 03:09:07 JuniorBR: IE9 news about adapting to html5 and css3?
2012-10-09 03:09:07 JuniorBR: IE9 news about adapting to html5 and css3?
2012-10-09 03:09:11 Webby: that's me
2012-10-09 03:09:12 Ramiro: <cetoveloz> deberian ordernarlo por pais o algo no te parece
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2012-10-09 03:09:33 Ramiro: como haces para hablarme a mi asi en rojo?
2012-10-09 03:09:33 Webby: ramiro do you speak the stupid spanish lang?
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2012-10-09 03:09:38 ADADA: yes
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2012-10-09 03:09:42 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro,  yo creo que la intencion de ellos es globalizacion de todo mismo
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2012-10-09 03:10:12 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro,  en que empresa trabajas ?
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2012-10-09 03:10:14 ADADA: adsasd
2012-10-09 03:10:17 Webby: Please do not use spanish, I'm sick of it
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2012-10-09 03:10:27 Webby: please no more :(
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2012-10-09 03:10:34 Ramiro: stupid spanish lenguaje?? you're so wrong...
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2012-10-09 03:10:51 Ramiro: en ninguna empresa.
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2012-10-09 03:11:07 Webby: Yo comer tacos gringo?
2012-10-09 03:11:09 JuniorBR: internet explorer its sux!
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2012-10-09 03:11:18 Ramiro: como haces para hablarmeen rojo?? ctoveloz
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2012-10-09 03:11:40 deltaray: The welcome e-mail I received said I came from IP 38.122.38.22, but this is probably a proxy IP or something related to the project. Its not mine.
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2012-10-09 03:11:42 Ramiro: <ctoveloz[BR]>
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2012-10-09 03:11:50 ctoveloz[BR]: pone la primera letra del nick despues apertar TAB
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2012-10-09 03:12:06 Webby: Spanish and portuguese are the same sh1t
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2012-10-09 03:12:10 Ramiro: ctoveloz[BR]: ahi esta gracia
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2012-10-09 03:12:18 Webby: Spanish and portuguese are the same sh1t did you know?
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2012-10-09 03:12:41 Ramiro: hay cada gringo bobo aca...
2012-10-09 03:12:45 Ramiro: mira lo que dice webby
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2012-10-09 03:13:00 megaBosX: whats going on here
2012-10-09 03:13:02 Webby: Asi es ramiro, tu tienes razón estos gringos....
2012-10-09 03:13:02 Guest94510: het hon
2012-10-09 03:13:03 ctoveloz[BR]: pelotudo :P
2012-10-09 03:13:12 megaBosX: mexican?
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2012-10-09 03:13:21 Webby: eso parece...
2012-10-09 03:13:23 hanh: hello
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2012-10-09 03:13:47 hanh: who are you?
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2012-10-09 03:13:51 Webby: me?
2012-10-09 03:13:52 amber_: hi
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2012-10-09 03:13:57 Webby: hi
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2012-10-09 03:14:10 Ramiro: Webby: german and english are same eccuals as potuguese and spanish :)
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2012-10-09 03:14:29 Webby: No sir, you are equivocado, very pero very equivocado
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2012-10-09 03:14:33 Webby: no es lo mismo ni es igual
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2012-10-09 03:14:41 hanh: where do you come from?
2012-10-09 03:14:41 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro, esta en BS ?
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2012-10-09 03:14:49 huycbd: hi alls
2012-10-09 03:14:50 Ramiro: ctoveloz[BR]: si
2012-10-09 03:14:51 quint: fff
2012-10-09 03:14:58 quint: wtf
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2012-10-09 03:15:01 Ramiro: Webby: were are you from?
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2012-10-09 03:15:13 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro, estoy en rosario
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2012-10-09 03:15:20 ingoscargomez: quien habla español??
2012-10-09 03:15:23 hanh: i come from Vietnam
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2012-10-09 03:15:33 Ramiro: ctoveloz[BR]: como te tratan ahi?
2012-10-09 03:15:43 quint: what an ugly chatroom
2012-10-09 03:15:46 ingoscargomez: hey ramiro como estas??
2012-10-09 03:15:47 ctoveloz[BR]: Ramiro,  muy bien :)
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2012-10-09 03:15:50 alex_philin: hi from russia ^)
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2012-10-09 03:16:00 hanh: oh
2012-10-09 03:16:02 soupobre: ftdetftde
2012-10-09 03:16:02 Ramiro: ingoscargomez: bien vos
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2012-10-09 03:16:09 hanh: nice to meet you ^^
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2012-10-09 03:16:13 ingoscargomez: bien
2012-10-09 03:16:17 hoorace: no category!
2012-10-09 03:16:18 Webby2: I'm not gringo, ok?
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2012-10-09 03:16:23 Ramiro: espero que mejoren este chat dentro de poco.. es un espant
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2012-10-09 03:16:26 Webby2: So do not bother with it again
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2012-10-09 03:16:30 ingoscargomez: aqui, estoy viendo esta web,me parece interesante
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2012-10-09 03:16:45 quint: 真尼玛烂啊
2012-10-09 03:16:47 hanh: now, i busy, i will come back late
2012-10-09 03:16:47 ingoscargomez: pues sip
2012-10-09 03:16:47 Webby2: Ramiro, ve a dormir hijo estas cansado
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2012-10-09 03:16:56 Xtsow: good day!
2012-10-09 03:16:56 ingoscargomez: jajaja
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2012-10-09 03:17:16 alex_philin: по-русскии кто-нибудь шпарит? )
2012-10-09 03:17:25 ingoscargomez: si deben mejorar el chat, parecemos en el mercado
2012-10-09 03:17:30 Xtsow: да
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2012-10-09 03:17:39 Ramiro: que lastima que siempre en este tipo de lugares alla gente tan equivocada como <Webby2>
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2012-10-09 03:17:50 ingoscargomez: jajaja
2012-10-09 03:17:53 ctoveloz[BR]: yo creo que despues van a poner una regla solo en ingles
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2012-10-09 03:18:04 Frijolero: ?
2012-10-09 03:18:08 ctoveloz[BR]: siempre es asi en los chat gringo :P
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2012-10-09 03:18:11 ingoscargomez: pues debe haber una para nosotros
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2012-10-09 03:18:23 Frijolero: para nosotros los frijoleros?
2012-10-09 03:18:26 Xtsow: oh >_<
2012-10-09 03:18:28 ingoscargomez: jajajaj
2012-10-09 03:18:32 Frijolero: :D
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2012-10-09 03:18:36 Ramiro: no le veo utilidad realmente a este chat.. :(
2012-10-09 03:18:37 greg_: hello! how long has wp.org been live? just found it through a news article.
2012-10-09 03:18:43 Frijolero: el chat ya no se usa
2012-10-09 03:18:44 ingoscargomez: jajajajaja
2012-10-09 03:18:47 Namhanz: hello
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2012-10-09 03:18:57 ingoscargomez: si se usa pero asi no
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2012-10-09 03:19:09 Frijolero: se usa para descargar archivos :D
2012-10-09 03:19:12 ingoscargomez: pero tenemos salas privadas??
2012-10-09 03:19:14 Frijolero: y para ver peliculas
2012-10-09 03:19:15 Ramiro slaps tmanderson around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 03:19:19 rizqi: I think wp.org just got a LOT of exposure from recent news lol
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2012-10-09 03:19:29 Xtsow: :D
2012-10-09 03:19:29 rizqi: all the better, anyway, as a wiki
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2012-10-09 03:19:47 Frijolero: who speaks english please?
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2012-10-09 03:20:07 Ramiro: what a disaster chat is this. I hope they'll improved it
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2012-10-09 03:20:20 kunxia: hi
2012-10-09 03:20:21 rizqi: is it possible to access via IRC?
2012-10-09 03:20:26 Frijolero: Ramiro, first learn english, then think and then talk
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2012-10-09 03:20:28 dhanuxz: test
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2012-10-09 03:20:33 rizqi: this is unusable lol
2012-10-09 03:20:34 ctoveloz[BR]: rizqi,  yes
2012-10-09 03:20:40 Frijolero: yes this is an irc channel
2012-10-09 03:20:41 Charun: rizqi: Yes
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2012-10-09 03:20:46 rizqi: ah okay
2012-10-09 03:20:46 Charun: It's on free node
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2012-10-09 03:20:55 rizqi: I'll go check, thanks
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2012-10-09 03:21:04 Frijolero: Ramiro go home son...
2012-10-09 03:21:06 Ramiro: Frijolero: jaja meaning is what matters
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2012-10-09 03:21:07 Aljutor: хм и для чего этот чат?
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2012-10-09 03:21:19 Frijolero: Aljutor maybe...
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2012-10-09 03:21:22 Charun: Is webchat really so bad?
2012-10-09 03:21:25 Xtsow: для болтовни
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2012-10-09 03:21:35 Ordona: Appears to be having troubles
2012-10-09 03:21:39 ingoscargomez: bueno, entonces como nos ayudamos aqui??
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2012-10-09 03:21:49 ingoscargomez: ramiro q haces??
2012-10-09 03:21:50 Ramiro: Frijolero: siempre igual estos lugares.. cuando la gente puede hablar sin mostrar la cara saltan bobos como vos..ç
2012-10-09 03:21:53 ctoveloz[BR]: ingoscargomez,  cual tu pais ?
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2012-10-09 03:21:57 Frijolero: let's talk about the greatness of internet explorer 6
2012-10-09 03:22:00 Aljutor: сообщения о конекте и дисконекте меня уивают
2012-10-09 03:22:00 Frijolero: :D
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2012-10-09 03:22:05 Ordona: I prefer IE5.5
2012-10-09 03:22:08 Xtsow: меня тож
2012-10-09 03:22:09 Xtsow: е
2012-10-09 03:22:10 ingoscargomez: colombia y el tuyo??
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2012-10-09 03:22:13 Danil: привет всем
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2012-10-09 03:22:17 Frijolero: Ramiro no soy bobo :(
2012-10-09 03:22:17 rizqi: webchat's font is way too small for me, so yeah, trying to use another client
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2012-10-09 03:22:21 Xtsow: привет
2012-10-09 03:22:24 Aljutor: ку
2012-10-09 03:22:25 leo_: hi
2012-10-09 03:22:26 ctoveloz[BR]: argentina
2012-10-09 03:22:28 Frijolero: Ramiro me ofendes :(
2012-10-09 03:22:28 Ramiro: Frijolero: yo creo que si..
2012-10-09 03:22:32 dhanuxz: is this an irc channel?
2012-10-09 03:22:32 cpg|away is now known as cpg
2012-10-09 03:22:33 ingoscargomez: q bien
2012-10-09 03:22:33 leo_: I am new here
2012-10-09 03:22:34 Danil: что за чат и о чем сайт вообще?
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2012-10-09 03:22:41 Ordona: dhanuxz - yes
2012-10-09 03:22:42 Frijolero: Mejor me voy, no quiero guerras por mi culpa
2012-10-09 03:22:43 tle: hi, guy
2012-10-09 03:22:45 ingoscargomez: somos hermanos latinos
2012-10-09 03:22:48 Xtsow: читаем Doc
2012-10-09 03:22:49 leo_: nice to meet to u
2012-10-09 03:22:51 Frijolero: Ya Ramiro se puso violento
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2012-10-09 03:22:58 Aljutor: на сколько я понял сборише документов по веб технологиям
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2012-10-09 03:23:03 kamal_: any examples using jersey restful with jquery ???
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2012-10-09 03:23:05 Frijolero: Y me llamo gringo
2012-10-09 03:23:11 Aljutor: но чат ужасен
2012-10-09 03:23:14 Frijolero: gringo ignorante me llamo :(
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2012-10-09 03:23:21 Xtsow: обычный чат
2012-10-09 03:23:25 Ramiro: Frijolero: Ramiro has blocked your comments
2012-10-09 03:23:26 Aljutor: сообщения
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2012-10-09 03:23:28 Aljutor: о конектах
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2012-10-09 03:23:32 Aljutor: зло
2012-10-09 03:23:33 ingoscargomez: soy programador y tu??
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2012-10-09 03:23:45 Frijolero: :(
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2012-10-09 03:23:50 ctoveloz[BR]: developer frontend
2012-10-09 03:23:51 gaurav_ is now known as Guest34263
2012-10-09 03:23:52 Aoseala: Hello,every one
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2012-10-09 03:24:03 Xtsow: надо же видеть кто присоединился
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2012-10-09 03:24:16 sysbes: Дарова пацаны!
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2012-10-09 03:24:19 Frijolero: Bye, im going to see justin bieber concert
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2012-10-09 03:24:20 Aljutor: опцию скрытия бы
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2012-10-09 03:24:25 ingoscargomez: aqui hay unos leguajes raros
2012-10-09 03:24:28 sysbes: Чат агонь!
2012-10-09 03:24:29 upgrayeddd: Where are all these people coming from, some sort of web client to IRC?
2012-10-09 03:24:30 Xtsow: привет
2012-10-09 03:24:32 Nufffin: Why is this page's overflow hidden?
2012-10-09 03:24:32 Za_Dolber: Привет ребят)
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2012-10-09 03:24:33 Aljutor: re
2012-10-09 03:24:35 sysbes: Как оно?
2012-10-09 03:24:36 Aljutor: ку*
2012-10-09 03:24:41 Xtsow: Привет!
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2012-10-09 03:24:50 ingoscargomez: latinos donde estan??
2012-10-09 03:24:56 vgrigory: hello world :)
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2012-10-09 03:25:07 Xtsow: Hello!
2012-10-09 03:25:07 Frijolero: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 03:25:07 Aljutor: хм
2012-10-09 03:25:09 upgrayeddd: "speak English motherfuckers"
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2012-10-09 03:25:17 Aljutor: интиресно сколько конектов выдержит сервер?
2012-10-09 03:25:20 Za_Dolber: Не ожидал первое сообщение тут прочитать на русском языке))
2012-10-09 03:25:24 Aljutor: хотя это же irc
2012-10-09 03:25:30 Xtsow: думаю много
2012-10-09 03:25:31 liuxiaoyu: clear
2012-10-09 03:25:35 DecRadish: 咦？怎么没有中文？呵呵
2012-10-09 03:25:36 liuxiaoyu: wow
2012-10-09 03:25:42 ctoveloz[BR]: vixi
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2012-10-09 03:25:44 leo_: 哈哈，我说中文
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2012-10-09 03:25:47 sysbes: Пацаны хачу зарплату в 80-120к какой язык учить?
2012-10-09 03:25:49 liuxiaoyu: 撒旦法爱上当
2012-10-09 03:25:49 DecRadish: 哈哈
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2012-10-09 03:25:56 liuxiaoyu: ：）
2012-10-09 03:26:01 Aljutor: =)
2012-10-09 03:26:06 Xtsow: вот, уже восток подтянулся
2012-10-09 03:26:13 leo_: 终于找到同国的了··
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2012-10-09 03:26:14 sysbes: Китайский чот ли?
2012-10-09 03:26:21 Xtsow: учи русский)
2012-10-09 03:26:22 Aljutor: скоро тут быдет как в mmo чатах
2012-10-09 03:26:27 Aljutor: будет*
2012-10-09 03:26:27 DecRadish: 人也挺多嘛
2012-10-09 03:26:32 leo_: скоро тут быдет как в mmo чатах  这是哪国语言？
2012-10-09 03:26:36 Xtsow: вроде китайский
2012-10-09 03:26:37 DecRadish: 俄语吧
2012-10-09 03:26:40 leo_: 是呀，好多人
2012-10-09 03:26:42 ctoveloz[BR]: so fehlt mir jetzt deutsch sprechen
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2012-10-09 03:26:54 Aljutor: кстати есть же логи
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2012-10-09 03:27:01 Aljutor: можно базу ip собрать =)
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2012-10-09 03:27:08 CCs: Too many kids around here...
2012-10-09 03:27:11 Xtsow: да)
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2012-10-09 03:27:32 ctoveloz[BR]: Brazuka,  iae
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2012-10-09 03:27:46 Brazuka: dae galera
2012-10-09 03:27:47 Aljutor: повод написать парсер на python., хоть вспомнить
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2012-10-09 03:27:48 leo_: 好激动·
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2012-10-09 03:28:02 Dygear_: @shepazu, I get an email from noc@webplatform.org saying that I registered an account for the wiki. The problem is that it gave an IP address that is not mine, and I have a static IP address. I've had the same IP for well over two year now.
2012-10-09 03:28:03 Brazuka: recém entrei no site, estou conhecendo aqui!
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2012-10-09 03:28:18 ctoveloz[BR]: Brazuka,  tem quase nada ainda :P
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2012-10-09 03:28:26 Xtsow: :D
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2012-10-09 03:28:30 Brazuka: mas os tutoriais parecem ser bons
2012-10-09 03:28:30 ingoscargomez: Hi, I'm from Colombia, I am web programmer
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2012-10-09 03:28:43 Xtsow: круто
2012-10-09 03:28:47 Aljutor: ?
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2012-10-09 03:28:50 ctoveloz[BR]: Brazuka,  sao top
2012-10-09 03:28:54 ctoveloz[BR]: hehe
2012-10-09 03:28:58 CCs: Remote host closed the connection
2012-10-09 03:28:59 shepazu: Dygear_: not sure what happened there...
2012-10-09 03:29:00 Xtsow: hello web programmer!
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2012-10-09 03:29:08 levshik: ой, дети -- один из них настоящий русский?
2012-10-09 03:29:11 Xtsow: :D
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2012-10-09 03:29:33 Xtsow: levshik - ну
2012-10-09 03:29:41 _cheney: this whole thing feels like a family reunion
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2012-10-09 03:29:49 Aljutor: какое странное понятие
2012-10-09 03:29:49 ingoscargomez: goodbye, happy night
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2012-10-09 03:30:57 levshik: я скоро в москву -- у вас есть какие-нибудь кусоки совети для американцов?
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2012-10-09 03:31:37 levshik: на пример, я где-то читал, что никогда не улыбаться -- никогда
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2012-10-09 03:33:01 Aljutor: всегда знал что в Москве американцы ...
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2012-10-09 03:33:28 pigg: hi~
2012-10-09 03:33:33 Xtsow: Ну .... не всегда. с недавних пор.
2012-10-09 03:33:40 Xtsow: hi
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2012-10-09 03:33:55 erous: hi all
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2012-10-09 03:34:40 Xtsow: ;D
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2012-10-09 03:34:46 pigg: :P
2012-10-09 03:35:00 sssss: кто с хабра?
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2012-10-09 03:35:07 Xtsow: я
2012-10-09 03:35:11 Aljutor: я ждал этого момента
2012-10-09 03:35:16 Xtsow: и я
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2012-10-09 03:36:24 Aljutor: меня пугает такое кл-во входов
2012-10-09 03:36:26 qwerty: привет всем
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2012-10-09 03:36:30 Xtsow: go to work guys!
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2012-10-09 03:36:34 mauroacs: ola
2012-10-09 03:36:35 Xtsow: привет
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2012-10-09 03:36:45 pigg: no work
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2012-10-09 03:36:50 tle: ola, man.
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2012-10-09 03:37:19 grep: Привет / Hi
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2012-10-09 03:37:51 Guest35735: я хочу изучит программировать на вебе с чего начать ?
2012-10-09 03:38:11 Xtsow: спроси у гугла
2012-10-09 03:38:11 eternicode: looks like we need localized channels :D
2012-10-09 03:38:19 levshik: yo dawg
2012-10-09 03:38:21 pigg: coder
2012-10-09 03:38:22 levshik: I'll help you out
2012-10-09 03:38:25 Aljutor: shepazu: For what made ​​this chat?
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2012-10-09 03:38:46 Guest35735: у меня куча книг но практиковать негде
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2012-10-09 03:39:17 slowmuse: hi
2012-10-09 03:39:19 test__: !help
2012-10-09 03:39:20 shepazu: Aljutor: we made the chat channel so people could ask and answer questions on web dev and design
2012-10-09 03:39:32 Xtsow: купи хостинг и практикуйся
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2012-10-09 03:39:38 levshik: можно строить веб-стэк на своем компютере
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2012-10-09 03:39:53 Guest35735: это типа *.ru &
2012-10-09 03:39:54 levshik: WAMP, XAMPP, итд
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2012-10-09 03:40:04 Xtsow: можно, но лучше на хосте
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2012-10-09 03:40:23 shoobm: great work guys! congo
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2012-10-09 03:40:38 Aljutor: shepazu : Will language channels? Now it resembles a chat in MMO
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2012-10-09 03:41:01 artymig: w3schools
2012-10-09 03:41:02 pigg: no work no money
2012-10-09 03:41:04 shepazu: Aljutor: not sure yet :)
2012-10-09 03:41:08 Aleks_: Hello
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2012-10-09 03:41:23 shepazu: hi, Aleks_
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2012-10-09 03:41:53 tle: pigg/ no work no money no women
2012-10-09 03:41:59 Aljutor: shepazu: will wait =)
2012-10-09 03:42:01 tle: :-P
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2012-10-09 03:42:12 pigg: yes...
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2012-10-09 03:43:49 Aljutor: мне интиресно, мы когданибудь увидим новую версию денвера?
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2012-10-09 03:44:55 Druker: no woman, no cry
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2012-10-09 03:48:37 Ordona: Any luck?
2012-10-09 03:48:45 hocine__: !!
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2012-10-09 03:49:04 hocine__: iooo
2012-10-09 03:49:07 Sujith: hello
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2012-10-09 03:49:35 skeezix_: hey
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2012-10-09 03:50:04 hocine__: 70s interface lol
2012-10-09 03:50:04 skeezix_: is there a way to suggest some feature for this site?
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2012-10-09 03:51:06 _23: hello
2012-10-09 03:51:17 monaks loce irc
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2012-10-09 03:51:42 rv: hi!
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2012-10-09 03:51:55 HarbEffect: Hi People!
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2012-10-09 03:51:58 _23: 可以打中文吗？
2012-10-09 03:52:04 Aleks_: хочу инвайт на хабр :((( уже два года его читаю
2012-10-09 03:52:06 HarbEffect: Who is from habrahabr.ru?
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2012-10-09 03:54:00 _cheney: D:
2012-10-09 03:54:03 Aljutor: я ждула этого вопроса =)
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2012-10-09 03:55:51 Aleks_: вообщем, если найдется мил человек то инвайт можно сюды aleksey@rumagnate.com :)
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2012-10-09 03:57:54 Aljutor: всегда хотел узнать, можно ли read only перевести в полноценный аккуант?
2012-10-09 03:58:07 pigg: bye
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2012-10-09 03:58:26 Stilluss: пиши статью
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2012-10-09 03:59:08 Aljutor: это радует, просто не хотелось бы заводить новый
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2012-10-09 03:59:09 Guest98304: Hello
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2012-10-09 03:59:16 Vlad___: всем привет :)
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2012-10-09 03:59:28 Arvin_: (:
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2012-10-09 03:59:54 ololosh: ололош
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2012-10-09 03:59:57 KeaNy: Hi
2012-10-09 03:59:58 Stilluss: походу тут сейчас только народ с хабра)
2012-10-09 04:00:01 ololosh: сдарова хабровчане!
2012-10-09 04:00:02 ololosh: :D
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2012-10-09 04:00:22 uglybear: dear web people. make your shit work so I'm not forced to write native mobile apps
2012-10-09 04:00:24 Aljutor: это логично)
2012-10-09 04:00:26 a_a: quit
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2012-10-09 04:00:32 Aljutor: я вроде не видел упоминаний на других ресурсах
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2012-10-09 04:00:52 ololosh: а почему именно ирц, а не жаббер какой нибудь?)
2012-10-09 04:00:53 pzich: uglybear: oh, never thought of that before
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2012-10-09 04:01:11 jinu: hi
2012-10-09 04:01:14 Vlad_^_^: товарищи хабровчене
2012-10-09 04:01:19 ololosh: aloha!
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2012-10-09 04:01:22 ololosh: what/
2012-10-09 04:01:25 ololosh: чочо?
2012-10-09 04:01:32 Vlad_^_^: щачло попячса
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2012-10-09 04:01:40 ololosh: упячка-упячка!
2012-10-09 04:01:40 DIAsko: да ты що)
2012-10-09 04:01:41 Eric_: what?
2012-10-09 04:01:43 Aljutor: видимо ирка более устойчивая
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2012-10-09 04:01:51 Vlad_^_^: вот вот
2012-10-09 04:01:57 ololosh: http://upyachka.ru/img/up4kman.gif
2012-10-09 04:01:58 Eric_: see ?
2012-10-09 04:02:01 Vlad_^_^: понаехало тут)
2012-10-09 04:02:03 shepazu: bot bot
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2012-10-09 04:02:25 DL: Привет всем =)
2012-10-09 04:02:34 Vlad_^_^: СВОБОДА РАВЕНСТВО УПЯЧКА!!!!!
2012-10-09 04:02:37 ololosh: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6419/32703389.1d/0_68ac5_c6b2fd81_orig
2012-10-09 04:02:38 DIAsko: И Вам не хварать
2012-10-09 04:02:42 Vlad_^_^: Я ИДИОТ УБЕЙТЕ МЕНЯ КТО НИБУДЬ
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2012-10-09 04:02:53 shepazu: goodnight, web
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2012-10-09 04:03:19 DL: Уффф.... русская чума и тут.
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2012-10-09 04:03:29 Vlad_^_^: куда без не
2012-10-09 04:03:29 ololosh: э! Харе спамить!
2012-10-09 04:03:32 Vlad_^_^: Ñ‘
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2012-10-09 04:03:35 Vlad_^_^: ну ок
2012-10-09 04:03:36 Vlad_^_^: не буду
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2012-10-09 04:03:38 Vlad_^_^: :)
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2012-10-09 04:03:54 Aljutor: я уже просил сделать каналы по языкам
2012-10-09 04:03:54 ololosh: http://zemonengkak.narod.ru/Portrets/upachka-dance.gif
2012-10-09 04:03:56 eternicode: Ryan_Lane, spammer alert... ^
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2012-10-09 04:04:10 Stilluss: Следующая новость будет о том что проект вебплатформ развалился. Русские айтишники устроили в чате срач и разогнали всех вебдевелоперов
2012-10-09 04:04:10 Ordona: Thanks Ryan
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2012-10-09 04:04:14 Ryan_Lane: yw
2012-10-09 04:04:19 ololosh: :D
2012-10-09 04:04:21 eternicode: gratzi
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2012-10-09 04:04:32 Aljutor: хех
2012-10-09 04:04:35 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: it's clear we need round-the-clock admins here
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2012-10-09 04:04:45 Ryan_Lane: in general, yeah
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2012-10-09 04:04:51 Ryan_Lane: we need volunteer channel ops
2012-10-09 04:04:51 Dygear_: Indeed shepazu
2012-10-09 04:04:52 Vladko: ха, меня так просто отцуда не выкинуть!!!
2012-10-09 04:04:53 brunoti: bsgunça
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2012-10-09 04:05:00 Ordona: Possibly a way to alert all the ops at once, as well
2012-10-09 04:05:04 Vladko slaps Ryan_Lane around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 04:05:09 shepazu: yeah
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2012-10-09 04:05:10 eternicode: Possibly a bot?
2012-10-09 04:05:17 Vladko: no
2012-10-09 04:05:21 Vladko: not a bot
2012-10-09 04:05:29 shepazu: ok, let's see who sticks around and start handing out tin badges :)
2012-10-09 04:05:36 shepazu: no, not a bot :)
2012-10-09 04:05:37 eternicode: I move for a bot that kicks anyone who slaps people with fishbots.
2012-10-09 04:05:39 Aljutor: мне кажется или любой англоязычный чат где появляются русские преврошается в филиал хабра, лурка, жж итд? =)
2012-10-09 04:05:40 _cheney: but a bot can stop channel spamming
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2012-10-09 04:05:56 Dygear_: i second
2012-10-09 04:05:57 Ordona: So... no tin hats?
2012-10-09 04:05:59 eternicode: Vladko, what do you have against bots?
2012-10-09 04:06:02 Aleks_: root# clear
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2012-10-09 04:06:08 shepazu: eternicode: we'll stop that fishbot thing in the next day or so
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2012-10-09 04:06:13 trash_: hi all
2012-10-09 04:06:15 eternicode: a'ight
2012-10-09 04:06:22 Vladko: nothing against bot, i you one of those
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2012-10-09 04:06:32 Electrolysis: Aljutor, а ты как думал
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2012-10-09 04:06:36 yy: gangnan style
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2012-10-09 04:06:50 ololosh: gsom gsom!
2012-10-09 04:06:52 biehu: hello
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2012-10-09 04:07:04 Aljutor: когда я вспоминаю что вроде как это архив документации по вебу, становится страшно
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2012-10-09 04:07:17 biehu: have any pepole ？
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2012-10-09 04:07:23 webbee: hey
2012-10-09 04:07:24 Vladko: no
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2012-10-09 04:07:29 _cheney: just bots
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2012-10-09 04:07:33 Stilluss: only bots
2012-10-09 04:07:33 den: irc O_O
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2012-10-09 04:07:38 biehu: jser come here
2012-10-09 04:07:38 Vladko: im bot!
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2012-10-09 04:07:55 biehu: how do you do
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2012-10-09 04:08:14 swera: hello
2012-10-09 04:08:16 Vladko i`m a bot 
2012-10-09 04:08:18 eternicode: 150+ nicks.... nope, nobody here.
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2012-10-09 04:08:23 biehu: i am here
2012-10-09 04:08:28 Vladko: not
2012-10-09 04:08:30 webbee: cool
2012-10-09 04:08:30 Vladko: u not here
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2012-10-09 04:08:35 Aleks_: ииинвайтик, ну где же ты :)
2012-10-09 04:08:37 Vladko: u somewhere there
2012-10-09 04:08:37 swera: _
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2012-10-09 04:08:39 biehu: i am qianudan
2012-10-09 04:08:40 Ambuli: Hi
2012-10-09 04:08:43 Vladko: инвайтов нету!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-09 04:08:43 namviet: this is very messy
2012-10-09 04:08:44 swera: опа
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2012-10-09 04:08:46 Vladko: хехе
2012-10-09 04:08:53 Stilluss: пичаль
2012-10-09 04:08:54 swera: а что это за хрень вообще?
2012-10-09 04:08:54 Vladko:  yea
2012-10-09 04:08:56 Vladko: пичалька
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2012-10-09 04:08:59 Vladko: ну как что чатик
2012-10-09 04:09:00 Aleks_: :cry:
2012-10-09 04:09:02 Electrolysis: Вот чёрт, щяс опять появятся нытики просящие инвайты на Швабру.
2012-10-09 04:09:06 Vladko: чятик абыкнавенный
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2012-10-09 04:09:14 swera: Ñ…Ñ…
2012-10-09 04:09:15 biehu: to more info
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2012-10-09 04:09:24 Aljutor: уже были же
2012-10-09 04:09:29 namviet: is this project to provide a framework for web dev?
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2012-10-09 04:09:37 Aljutor: я по сути зашёл только что бы дождаться их прихода
2012-10-09 04:09:38 oak_: hi
2012-10-09 04:09:38 Vladko: рады все люди зелёной траве!
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2012-10-09 04:09:42 Vladko: пфффф
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2012-10-09 04:09:44 trash_: продам инвайты 5000р за штуку
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2012-10-09 04:09:50 oak_: Hello
2012-10-09 04:09:53 Vladko: привет!
2012-10-09 04:09:55 Vladko: как дела?
2012-10-09 04:09:57 ololosh: пошлю на хуй за бесплатно
2012-10-09 04:09:57 kylerpalmer: Hi
2012-10-09 04:09:57 trash_: hi
2012-10-09 04:10:03 oak_: cant understand russia
2012-10-09 04:10:03 zhoudflash: hi
2012-10-09 04:10:06 ildarn: тут все русские что ли?
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2012-10-09 04:10:10 Aleks_: да не вопрос, проехали...
2012-10-09 04:10:11 Vladko: welll
2012-10-09 04:10:19 Vladko: learn some russian then
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2012-10-09 04:10:22 brainsds: Kak dela :)
2012-10-09 04:10:23 oak_: lol
2012-10-09 04:10:23 avshelestov: hello everybody!
2012-10-09 04:10:24 Vladko: u will understand
2012-10-09 04:10:24 eternicode: I move for #webplatform-ru
2012-10-09 04:10:25 Vladko: hehe
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2012-10-09 04:10:26 Electrolysis: Нет, я из Италии.
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2012-10-09 04:10:34 Vladko: я с нью  йорка че
2012-10-09 04:10:34 oak_: maybe I use google translate
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2012-10-09 04:11:22 trash_: понаехали
2012-10-09 04:11:26 asdf__: O_o
2012-10-09 04:11:27 Vladko креведко
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2012-10-09 04:11:38 Vladko: о_О
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2012-10-09 04:11:46 Ben___: hi
2012-10-09 04:11:48 Vladko: понаприходило хапроффчян
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2012-10-09 04:11:52 Electrolysis: От Curiosity отвалился кусок вибратора!
2012-10-09 04:11:52 Vladko: hi
2012-10-09 04:11:52 Daniluk: Hello, world
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2012-10-09 04:12:24 Daniluk: Йопт, хабр с утра читаем? :)
2012-10-09 04:12:28 Pegger: Hello
2012-10-09 04:12:31 Vladko: с вечера
2012-10-09 04:12:32 Vladko: hi
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2012-10-09 04:12:41 Vladko: hello
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2012-10-09 04:12:45 _cheney: more like console.log("Hello World"); these days
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2012-10-09 04:12:48 syschel: а причём тут хабр? )))
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2012-10-09 04:13:00 Vladko: а при том http://habrahabr.ru/post/154101/
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2012-10-09 04:13:31 neo_: hi everybody
2012-10-09 04:13:32 syschel: и это точно не канал про аниме? ;)
2012-10-09 04:13:33 apnerve: There are actual people here
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2012-10-09 04:13:50 apnerve: We discussed many things yesterday night and perhaps most of them are now tired and sleeping
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2012-10-09 04:14:04 Vladko: Как мне пропатчить KDE2 под FreeBSD?
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2012-10-09 04:14:10 neo_: думаю, про КДЕ тут могут рассказать)
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2012-10-09 04:14:31 Aleks_: уже не смешно
2012-10-09 04:14:37 pyrotechnick: you guys need a multilingual channel perhaps
2012-10-09 04:14:39 syschel: ку
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2012-10-09 04:17:06 Vladko: с вами не интересно :(
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2012-10-09 04:17:45 neo_: учитывая авторов ресурса, я думал, что здесь будет больше англоговорящих товарищей :)
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2012-10-09 04:18:00 Aljutor_: учитывая статью на забре =)
2012-10-09 04:18:03 Aljutor_: хабре*
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2012-10-09 04:18:13 Crazzzychel: хабрпава
2012-10-09 04:18:17 Murzix: =) на заборе
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2012-10-09 04:20:35 lfpx: what
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2012-10-09 04:21:24 jobud9: Is there a place to submit tickets to webplatform yet?
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2012-10-09 04:22:29 eternicode: jobud9, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 04:22:38 ololosh: бля
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2012-10-09 04:22:44 jobud9: Thank you!
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2012-10-09 04:23:13 ololosh: ирц это конечно прикольно
2012-10-09 04:23:15 ololosh: лампово так)
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2012-10-09 04:23:34 ololosh: но блядь, как выключить эти раздражающие квиты и джойн сообщения?
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2012-10-09 04:23:54 sysk: this is on freenode right?
2012-10-09 04:24:00 eternicode: sysk, yup.
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2012-10-09 04:24:16 sysk: let's hope it takes over w3schools lol
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2012-10-09 04:25:01 mcrss: и я русский )
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2012-10-09 04:25:05 ololosh_: Даеш виктотрину!)
2012-10-09 04:25:09 hi: :/ with there was a way to find the room name without connecting to the webchat
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2012-10-09 04:25:16 ololosh_: да здесь рашн чуваков овер дохера :D
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2012-10-09 04:25:22 trash_: также анегдоты
2012-10-09 04:25:24 trash_: и срач
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2012-10-09 04:25:25 donriga: неудобно слишком большой поток
2012-10-09 04:25:27 Chris_Claypoole: Hey guys where can I find a chat client that this is built on
2012-10-09 04:25:42 donriga: и системные сообщения бы отключить
2012-10-09 04:25:42 Aljutor_: неудобно что тут куча сообщений о входе выходе
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2012-10-09 04:25:47 Aljutor_: о да
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2012-10-09 04:25:56 ololosh_: Chris_Claypoole: http://www.qwebirc.org/
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2012-10-09 04:26:34 Chris_Claypoole: Thanks guys
2012-10-09 04:26:37 ololosh_: мирк - это программа
2012-10-09 04:26:37 shangdong: Hello~`~
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2012-10-09 04:26:44 Chris_Claypoole: Is anyone in here from America
2012-10-09 04:26:44 ololosh_: а ирц - это протокол
2012-10-09 04:26:46 letterpress: part
2012-10-09 04:26:46 trash_: xchat рулит
2012-10-09 04:26:49 mcrss: ну я ирс имел в виду )
2012-10-09 04:26:53 ololosh_: или чат
2012-10-09 04:26:53 donriga: на ирке работает
2012-10-09 04:26:55 mcrss: я тож в браузере
2012-10-09 04:26:58 ololosh_: хуй знает как правильнее
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2012-10-09 04:27:00 shangdong: Is anyone in here from China?
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2012-10-09 04:27:13 Lacedon: какого тут столько русских?Оо
2012-10-09 04:27:14 trash_: china fuck
2012-10-09 04:27:16 liudechi7: no tell
2012-10-09 04:27:16 jobud9: What's with all the Russian?
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2012-10-09 04:27:17 Aljutor_: интиресно на сколько слотов комната?
2012-10-09 04:27:24 donriga: с хабра притекли
2012-10-09 04:27:30 sumit: sdsdsd
2012-10-09 04:27:30 wowscheg: хабрэффект
2012-10-09 04:27:32 cenwenchu: hello
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2012-10-09 04:27:42 trash_: все теперь упадет же
2012-10-09 04:27:47 Sleepwalker_: Hi guys!
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2012-10-09 04:27:49 Lacedon: а, статью только сегодня выложили? ночью не смотрел
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2012-10-09 04:27:52 eternicode: jobud9, Western world's asleep, Eastern world's awake. ;)
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2012-10-09 04:27:55 mcrss: все пришли на работы и читают хабр
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2012-10-09 04:28:17 Guest35449: this site appears as the 1st headline in csdn.net :P
2012-10-09 04:28:18 trash_: читаю статью red sand
2012-10-09 04:28:19 Hoover_: habrahabra
2012-10-09 04:28:19 jobud9: eternicode, I'm amusing most of these people are coming from webmonkey?
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2012-10-09 04:28:31 SP_: хабр - эффект в действии )))
2012-10-09 04:28:32 sumit: hello
2012-10-09 04:28:33 jobud9: Scratch that
2012-10-09 04:28:38 shangdong: trash_ 你他妈的没素质 教养
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2012-10-09 04:28:47 eternicode: jobud9, webplatform.org, I assumed.
2012-10-09 04:28:50 sumit: hellpo
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2012-10-09 04:28:53 eternicode: ie, the embedded client
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2012-10-09 04:28:55 wowscheg: такими темпами на сегодня этот чат может стать русскоязычным :)
2012-10-09 04:29:01 trash_: <jobud9> habr.ru
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2012-10-09 04:29:24 nonowarn: 、、、
2012-10-09 04:29:24 shangdong: trash_ 你妈的有本事来中国 我k 死你
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2012-10-09 04:29:53 eternicode: sumit, quit spamming, please.
2012-10-09 04:29:55 pyrotechnick: give me mod
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2012-10-09 04:29:59 mcrss: вон Guest35449 не с браузера заходил видимо
2012-10-09 04:29:59 pyrotechnick: GIVE ME MOD NOW
2012-10-09 04:30:01 yzhou: hello
2012-10-09 04:30:10 sumit slaps gamechnager around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 04:30:11 Ordona: Not usually how it works pyrotechnick
2012-10-09 04:30:14 gp: So whats the idea behind this
2012-10-09 04:30:14 jobud9: eternicode, Yes, but it seems numerous tech networks have released articles on the site. I asumed webmonkey because that's where I found the site.
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2012-10-09 04:30:30 Hoover_: ничего интересного короче говоря :)\
2012-10-09 04:30:31 pyrotechnick: unless you want this room to be a pusspit
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2012-10-09 04:30:43 Ordona: They said they'd be getting ops shortly
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2012-10-09 04:30:46 jobud9: eternicode, It's sort of fun. I've never been in such a spammy channel.
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2012-10-09 04:31:10 wowscheg: Вполне себе хороший годный чат
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2012-10-09 04:31:14 Ordona: paul_irish or shepazu?
2012-10-09 04:31:14 eternicode: oh, my bad
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2012-10-09 04:32:37 lolshto: habradiliady sosnooley
2012-10-09 04:32:38 eternicode: Hm, seems there was a freenode-run bot that you could request to hang out in new channels to kinda enforce civility.  Can't remember the name, though.
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2012-10-09 04:34:59 Shad0w59: x slaps y around with a large trout
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2012-10-09 04:35:03 Shad0w59: that's the original right?
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2012-10-09 04:35:15 Ordona: It's the one in mIRC
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2012-10-09 04:35:24 Shad0w59: I forgot that program existed
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2012-10-09 04:39:07 astropirate_: we left because of you
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2012-10-09 04:39:42 Shad0w59: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
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2012-10-09 04:40:29 clubby: sup all
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2012-10-09 04:40:35 Rmin: @lepeshka i am from india.
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2012-10-09 04:41:02 Rmin: wht do u do?
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2012-10-09 04:42:09 Lepeshka: i heard that many of you working by input CAPTCHA s
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2012-10-09 04:42:30 Rmin: A GOOD SITE BY GIANT COMPANIES
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2012-10-09 04:42:57 Lepeshka: да
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2012-10-09 04:43:02 mcrss: how to extend Function in JS? I need custom function-like object with a function() in its prototype
2012-10-09 04:43:06 What-IF: What is 6/2(2+1) = ?
2012-10-09 04:43:16 firerap: 1
2012-10-09 04:43:16 mcrss: много русских тут )
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2012-10-09 04:44:27 stan_: hm...
2012-10-09 04:44:28 What-IF: @RandyWalker: you are great
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2012-10-09 04:44:39 RandyWalker: What-IF: aw, gee. thanks :)
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2012-10-09 04:45:10 stan_: ещё и русский поддерживается, небось?
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2012-10-09 04:45:22 Rmin: function can be have life json object
2012-10-09 04:45:24 mcrss: i need custom object, that have a function in its proto
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2012-10-09 04:45:26 stan_: Ёу... И действительно, поддерживается. Надо же.
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2012-10-09 04:46:05 What-IF: Gravity is not responsible for people falling in love.
2012-10-09 04:46:06 sd: test
2012-10-09 04:46:09 stan_: не то слово. До глубины души.
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2012-10-09 04:46:41 stan_: Да ничего странного, просто чат последний раз видел лет 12 назад, по-моему, если не больше.
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2012-10-09 04:46:47 mcrss: как отключить квиты?
2012-10-09 04:46:49 _55555: JUST BUILD WEBSITES
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2012-10-09 04:46:52 mcrss: и джойны
2012-10-09 04:46:54 stan_: Даже забыл, что хотел спросить)
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2012-10-09 04:47:03 Sapphire: h/
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2012-10-09 04:47:11 Xtsow: не знаю, faq смотреть надо
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2012-10-09 04:47:27 stan_: Это же инфомессаги, и они, по ходу, неотключаемые)
2012-10-09 04:47:27 dreamans: HI
2012-10-09 04:47:27 dreamans: Hi
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2012-10-09 04:47:38 dreamans: Hi
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2012-10-09 04:47:52 dreamans: Hello too
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2012-10-09 04:47:56 tmx_: hello
2012-10-09 04:47:58 dreamans: Nice to m 2
2012-10-09 04:47:59 mcrss: или как подключиться сюда из мирки? )
2012-10-09 04:48:02 tess: hi
2012-10-09 04:48:03 Xtsow: hi
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2012-10-09 04:48:06 dreamans: Hi
2012-10-09 04:48:07 neao: :)
2012-10-09 04:48:07 neao: :)
2012-10-09 04:48:12 tmx_: who's from russia here
2012-10-09 04:48:13 dreamans: how are yours
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2012-10-09 04:48:17 ololosh_: Я!
2012-10-09 04:48:20 What-IF: Hi, Where are you come from ?
2012-10-09 04:48:21 tess: i am!))
2012-10-09 04:48:30 Xtsow: Ñ‚Ñ‹
2012-10-09 04:48:30 dreamans: Us
2012-10-09 04:48:31 TAD_: Fine
2012-10-09 04:48:36 tmx_: Kazakhstan
2012-10-09 04:48:38 What-IF: Not me (from russia)
2012-10-09 04:48:39 Lepeshka: да много тут из Раши :)
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2012-10-09 04:48:48 tmx_: habr
2012-10-09 04:48:49 tmx_: ?
2012-10-09 04:48:51 ololosh_: Руссскоговорящего лююда дохуя просто :))
2012-10-09 04:48:52 TehRealGawd: shepazu, think you're going to be adding in the user's ip address soon?
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2012-10-09 04:48:53 bvn13: habr
2012-10-09 04:48:55 Xtsow: yep
2012-10-09 04:48:56 dreamans: :)
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2012-10-09 04:48:57 TehRealGawd: instead of the sites
2012-10-09 04:48:59 tess: :)
2012-10-09 04:49:00 TehRealGawd: so you can get rid of spammers
2012-10-09 04:49:04 TAD_: Ile de la Réunion (Reunion Island, a French departement between Maagascar and Mauritus)
2012-10-09 04:49:05 Lepeshka: зачем же ругаться
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2012-10-09 04:49:19 What-IF: ping _23
2012-10-09 04:49:26 Xtsow: русские по другому не умеют
2012-10-09 04:49:29 tmx_: prikolnii chatik odnako
2012-10-09 04:49:33 Lepeshka: да ладно :)
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2012-10-09 04:49:43 Xtsow: серьезно
2012-10-09 04:49:48 dreamans: aa
2012-10-09 04:49:49 Hirama: И все с Хабры как я понял)
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2012-10-09 04:49:53 dreamans: \/\/\/\/
2012-10-09 04:49:55 tmx_: <hr/>
2012-10-09 04:50:01 mcrss: где взять настройки подключения к этому каналу?
2012-10-09 04:50:04 bvn13: а где выкрики из зала "дайте инвайт!!!"  ? :))))
2012-10-09 04:50:04 dreamans: <br/>
2012-10-09 04:50:12 tmx_: daite invite
2012-10-09 04:50:17 Xtsow: дайте инвайт
2012-10-09 04:50:19 tmx_: :)
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2012-10-09 04:50:34 TAD_: There is too much place taken by <user> has joined
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2012-10-09 04:50:39 stan_: забавно, а Казахстан каким городом представлен?
2012-10-09 04:50:41 bvn13: сдается мне, это обычная ирка
2012-10-09 04:50:45 TAD_: <user> has quit
2012-10-09 04:50:45 tmx_: Almaty
2012-10-09 04:50:47 mcrss: обычная
2012-10-09 04:50:47 glock_: угу
2012-10-09 04:50:49 What-IF: How large of IPv6 ?
2012-10-09 04:50:50 tmx_: nichego zabavnogo
2012-10-09 04:50:50 Lepeshka: спасибо кэп
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2012-10-09 04:50:52 mcrss: настройки дайте )
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2012-10-09 04:51:14 stan_: Ну, привет Алматы из Астаны)
2012-10-09 04:51:15 Hirama: 22
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2012-10-09 04:51:16 qijunz: dir
2012-10-09 04:51:18 qijunz: cd
2012-10-09 04:51:24 neao: 钓鱼岛是中国的!
2012-10-09 04:51:25 tmx_: privet
2012-10-09 04:51:27 Hirama: dir
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2012-10-09 04:51:30 TAD_: I've got a bug in the chat ! :(
2012-10-09 04:51:32 What-IF: สวัสดี
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2012-10-09 04:51:37 tmx_: what kinda bug
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2012-10-09 04:51:47 Hirama: i sew ur IP
2012-10-09 04:51:49 TAD_: I can't scroll
2012-10-09 04:51:51 stan_: Кстати, мне бы инвайт не помешал, но я наглеть не буду, я скромный казах )))
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2012-10-09 04:51:59 Lepeshka: ахахах
2012-10-09 04:52:01 qijunz: 不错
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2012-10-09 04:52:03 tmx_: )))
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2012-10-09 04:52:03 mcrss: how can i come here without browser client?
2012-10-09 04:52:05 What-IF: I can't speak
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2012-10-09 04:52:11 lnn: funny
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2012-10-09 04:52:18 TAD_: Not in the chatbox but in the page
2012-10-09 04:52:20 Xtsow: все равно никто не дась инвайт
2012-10-09 04:52:20 TAD_: I'm on Safari
2012-10-09 04:52:24 taylor_: what
2012-10-09 04:52:27 Xtsow: даст*
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2012-10-09 04:52:49 TAD_: What do u think about this bug ?
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2012-10-09 04:52:57 WoT_zadrot: hello everybody
2012-10-09 04:53:03 Lepeshka: хелло
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2012-10-09 04:53:08 mcrss: танки отстой
2012-10-09 04:53:09 stan_: ))))
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2012-10-09 04:53:20 Hirama: Вы про какой инвайт говорите?*
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2012-10-09 04:53:21 bvn13: DayZ рулит
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2012-10-09 04:53:30 stan_: На хабру.
2012-10-09 04:53:30 bvn13: про инвайт на хабр
2012-10-09 04:53:30 tmx_: how do i connect to this chat without the browser
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2012-10-09 04:53:36 Hirama: LineAge II
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2012-10-09 04:53:51 TAD_: @tmx_ Good question !
2012-10-09 04:53:53 Hirama: а что зарегатться просто так уже не модно?)
2012-10-09 04:53:54 glock_: адрес сервера irc://chat.freenode.net#webplatform
2012-10-09 04:53:56 Xtsow: а причем тут танки?
2012-10-09 04:53:59 mcrss: Hirama ты на каком серве играешь? )
2012-10-09 04:54:02 TAD_: Because the web interface is buggingf
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2012-10-09 04:54:09 mcrss: да вон заходит wot_zadrot
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2012-10-09 04:54:11 blackboy: 有人会说中文吗？
2012-10-09 04:54:12 Hirama: Asima:D
2012-10-09 04:54:13 mcrss: заходил*
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2012-10-09 04:54:16 stan_: зарегался давно уже, года полтора-два назад, но в read only.
2012-10-09 04:54:21 vmystarv: 这里
2012-10-09 04:54:21 Prasad: any one explain about this chat  ?
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2012-10-09 04:54:26 blackboy: 哈哈
2012-10-09 04:54:27 What-IF: What is the technology of this Chat ?
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2012-10-09 04:54:32 TAD_: IRC
2012-10-09 04:54:34 mcrss: irc
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2012-10-09 04:54:46 Prasad: yes please explain any one
2012-10-09 04:54:48 tmx_: good old chat
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2012-10-09 04:54:49 Hirama: Indian
2012-10-09 04:54:50 _666_: Напиши статью, проблем-то
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2012-10-09 04:54:59 DazDraPerM: и?
2012-10-09 04:55:06 glock_: http://www.qwebirc.org/
2012-10-09 04:55:06 tmx_: a esli read-only
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2012-10-09 04:55:11 TAD_: I don't like the design of this chatbox
2012-10-09 04:55:11 stan_: в моём случае чукча больше читатель, чем писатель )))
2012-10-09 04:55:16 mcrss: give me plz connection settings to this channel
2012-10-09 04:55:17 wizz: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
2012-10-09 04:55:20 vmystarv: 这个网站 好  厉害
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2012-10-09 04:55:33 TAD_: It will be so cool if we could just redesign it
2012-10-09 04:55:36 Anton__: дайте инвайт)))
2012-10-09 04:55:37 mcrss: tnx
2012-10-09 04:55:37 TAD_: Using more elegant CSS
2012-10-09 04:55:38 Prasad: how to quit this chat
2012-10-09 04:55:40 stan_: но иногда хочется в комментариях задать что-нибудь уточняющее)
2012-10-09 04:55:42 tmx_: sv_cheats 1
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2012-10-09 04:55:53 TAD_: Clode your browser
2012-10-09 04:55:56 TAD_: to quit it
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2012-10-09 04:55:57 stan_: ... или сказать что-нибудь обличающее)))
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2012-10-09 04:56:01 Prasad: ok ok thank u
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2012-10-09 04:56:15 TAD_: You're welcome
2012-10-09 04:56:18 mcrss: я тоже думал что буду коментить направо и налево
2012-10-09 04:56:19 mcrss: )
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2012-10-09 04:56:30 stan_: ... или просто промолчать, зная, что мог что-нибудь сказать )))
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2012-10-09 04:56:31 mcrss: и статьи строчить
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2012-10-09 04:56:36 TAD_: Good bye
2012-10-09 04:56:40 Xtsow: пока минусов не наловишь
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2012-10-09 04:56:46 junker: Hello, World!
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2012-10-09 04:56:59 Xtsow: hello
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2012-10-09 04:57:12 junker: itnow!
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2012-10-09 04:57:34 leon_ma: a chat room?
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2012-10-09 04:58:15 Tool: русские есть?
2012-10-09 04:58:18 BANKVII: Test
2012-10-09 04:58:19 Xtsow: да
2012-10-09 04:58:21 Lepeshka: да есть
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2012-10-09 04:58:27 stan_: все мы немного русские )
2012-10-09 04:58:29 JrDias: Hello
2012-10-09 04:58:29 junker: ололол
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2012-10-09 04:58:36 Xtsow: hi
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2012-10-09 04:58:37 leon_ma: ...
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2012-10-09 04:58:41 RandyWalker: "Bye!"
2012-10-09 04:58:42 Rajesh: hi
2012-10-09 04:58:49 Rajesh: asdsd
2012-10-09 04:58:50 wowscheg: русских здесь много
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2012-10-09 04:58:50 Rajesh: hello
2012-10-09 04:58:53 BANKVII: ทดสอบ
2012-10-09 04:58:55 junker: пакистанская повстанчиская армия
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2012-10-09 04:59:03 JrDias: Iam from BRAZIL
2012-10-09 04:59:06 Xtsow: щас забанят
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2012-10-09 04:59:17 What-IF: Today's news :  'scientist' in Congress saying evolution is from 'pit of Hell'
2012-10-09 04:59:17 tmx__: a kstati kto zdes
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2012-10-09 04:59:19 tmx__: moder
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2012-10-09 04:59:21 BANKVII: Thailand
2012-10-09 04:59:29 junker: Ukraine
2012-10-09 04:59:29 user: Однажды мне было тааак скучно, что я выебал пса.
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2012-10-09 04:59:36 stan_: Kazakhstan
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2012-10-09 04:59:37 tmx__: is anyone moderating this
2012-10-09 04:59:38 junker: true story bro
2012-10-09 04:59:43 Guest91374: Thailand too
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2012-10-09 04:59:44 tmx__: stan
2012-10-09 04:59:45 Lepeshka: юзер, очень интересно
2012-10-09 04:59:47 What-IF: No Big Bang
2012-10-09 04:59:48 testtt: China
2012-10-09 04:59:49 stan_: Жалко собачку.
2012-10-09 04:59:50 Xtsow: ну.. вот. опять.
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2012-10-09 04:59:59 user: Он остался доволен.
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2012-10-09 05:00:05 junker: hot dog
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2012-10-09 05:00:09 zoi: sup habrach
2012-10-09 05:00:09 ddd: bhvb
2012-10-09 05:00:10 What-IF: cold dog
2012-10-09 05:00:11 ddd: bcfghfh
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2012-10-09 05:00:13 user: Скорее повизгивал.
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2012-10-09 05:00:18 ddd: fffffffffffffffff
2012-10-09 05:00:19 dfg__: what is this
2012-10-09 05:00:22 stan_: Ёпрст...
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2012-10-09 05:00:25 junker: дайте инвайт на хабру
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2012-10-09 05:00:26 Lepeshka slaps user around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 05:00:27 wowscheg: а я однажды сожрал валенок а потом дри дня срал балалайками
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2012-10-09 05:00:32 stan_: Давай без нюансов )
2012-10-09 05:00:32 What-IF: rest room
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2012-10-09 05:00:33 Xtsow: давай мыло
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2012-10-09 05:00:44 user: Дайте инвайт в собаку
2012-10-09 05:00:44 tmx__: ЗАДРОТЫ БЛЕАТЬ
2012-10-09 05:00:46 Tool: о кто-то даже с лепры есть)
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2012-10-09 05:00:53 tini_kRyptoNite: о тут русский есть:)
2012-10-09 05:00:55 stan_: mydiffstuff@mail.ru
2012-10-09 05:00:57 tini_kRyptoNite: русские*
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2012-10-09 05:00:59 user: Хочу снова в собаку.
2012-10-09 05:00:59 zoi: дайте инвайт плз nomad@ag.ru
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2012-10-09 05:01:03 fdgdfgdgf: тут только русские и есть)
2012-10-09 05:01:03 Xtsow: кто с лепры?
2012-10-09 05:01:07 JohnyD: тут тока русскаий и албанский? ))
2012-10-09 05:01:11 wowscheg: я с лепры
2012-10-09 05:01:12 tmx__: да здесь почти все русские
2012-10-09 05:01:13 junker: инвайт плз —> gravybox@ya.ru
2012-10-09 05:01:15 stan_: инвайт в собаку?
2012-10-09 05:01:16 wozozo_: "Leaving..."
2012-10-09 05:01:17 Saider: запустили платформу называется)
2012-10-09 05:01:21 someone is now known as Guest58880
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2012-10-09 05:01:24 Tool: тот кто срал балалайками полюбому с лепры
2012-10-09 05:01:25 user: Да, в собаку.
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2012-10-09 05:01:27 user: Хочу в собаку.
2012-10-09 05:01:29 tini_kRyptoNite: мейби тут команты по странам разбиты как то так?
2012-10-09 05:01:35 user: Но она без инвайта не пускает.
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2012-10-09 05:01:40 What-IF: Today's news:  evolution and embryology and the big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell
2012-10-09 05:01:41 stan_: не-не-не, мне не в собачку - хватает того, что user её отодрал. Мне бы на хабру)
2012-10-09 05:01:45 duylinh161287: Client Quit
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2012-10-09 05:01:46 junker: Да снизойдет на тебя радуга, бро, кто отправит инвайт мне :)
2012-10-09 05:01:46 tmx__: америка спит еще
2012-10-09 05:01:47 Tekill joined
2012-10-09 05:01:49 tmx__: имхо
2012-10-09 05:01:52 user: Лепра это под Мурманском?
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2012-10-09 05:02:07 tmx__: Лепра это leprosium.ru
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2012-10-09 05:02:08 BANKVII: what do u do ?
2012-10-09 05:02:09 stan_: Ну не под собачкой же)
2012-10-09 05:02:10 user: Я там собаку одну любил.
2012-10-09 05:02:11 tini_kRyptoNite: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:02:12 Lepeshka: это опечатка Лепра - Лера
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2012-10-09 05:02:26 Steamn: привет пипл
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2012-10-09 05:02:27 Xtsow: америка недавно тут была, в москву собиралась
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2012-10-09 05:02:30 tmx__: how do i change my nick
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2012-10-09 05:02:32 kontor: test
2012-10-09 05:02:34 Badboy___: hi
2012-10-09 05:02:36 tmx__: Hi
2012-10-09 05:02:40 Queen_X: Sup
2012-10-09 05:02:41 tmx__: imma bot
2012-10-09 05:02:43 stan_: нет, не дойдёт она до Мск.
2012-10-09 05:02:47 kontor: exit
2012-10-09 05:02:55 Badboy___: why?
2012-10-09 05:02:56 What-IF: Nasa found something show  MAR had water
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2012-10-09 05:03:02 tmx__: Cause I am
2012-10-09 05:03:04 user: Не, Лепра это точно под Мурманском. Там, в этой захалустной деревушке все самые трендовые шутки и вообще. Не то, что в этих ваших...
2012-10-09 05:03:07 Hong joined
2012-10-09 05:03:08 kserx: йо хабравцы
2012-10-09 05:03:10 Borgan: hi 4 all
2012-10-09 05:03:11 Xtsow: америка спрашивала как выжить в москве
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2012-10-09 05:03:28 junker: Америка заметает следы, комрады заделитесь инвайтом плз
2012-10-09 05:03:29 stipp: есть кто из Россий ?
2012-10-09 05:03:34 user: Нет.
2012-10-09 05:03:35 Borgan: главное с медведями не разговариват ьв Москве
2012-10-09 05:03:36 zoi: надо бы китайцев позвати
2012-10-09 05:03:36 user: Никого нет
2012-10-09 05:03:37 mcrss: Неа
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2012-10-09 05:03:38 Hong: what?
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2012-10-09 05:03:40 Lepeshka из России
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2012-10-09 05:03:45 stipp: Гы. привет всем )
2012-10-09 05:03:49 user: Все с Лепры.
2012-10-09 05:03:49 Badboy___: 中文能有吗？
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2012-10-09 05:03:52 Xtsow: из россси никого
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2012-10-09 05:03:53 stipp: :D
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2012-10-09 05:03:56 stipp: D
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2012-10-09 05:03:57 GNU12: Здрасте
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2012-10-09 05:04:00 EgorSmolyakov: привет
2012-10-09 05:04:00 ewgebw: дайте инвайт на хабр
2012-10-09 05:04:01 anaximen: Я из России
2012-10-09 05:04:01 tuanbo91: hi
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2012-10-09 05:04:08 tmx__: da pochti vse iz Rossii
2012-10-09 05:04:08 Hong: <3
2012-10-09 05:04:08 Badboy___: hi
2012-10-09 05:04:08 EgorSmolyakov: я из Украины :D
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2012-10-09 05:04:10 Xtsow: приветы
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2012-10-09 05:04:12 Guest99493: GJYF,T;FKB
2012-10-09 05:04:12 user: Продам инвайт за пса.
2012-10-09 05:04:15 junker: Ukraine!
2012-10-09 05:04:17 Borgan: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:04:17 lolka: Русские и тут всё захватили:D
2012-10-09 05:04:17 Guest99493: понабежали
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2012-10-09 05:04:20 stipp: Что здесь за движуха происходит обьясните в двух словах плиз.
2012-10-09 05:04:20 tmx__: user
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2012-10-09 05:04:21 stipp: :D
2012-10-09 05:04:22 tmx__: davai
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2012-10-09 05:04:25 Badboy___: 江南style
2012-10-09 05:04:25 z_const: what's uupppp!! ))
2012-10-09 05:04:28 user: Это чат.
2012-10-09 05:04:31 Xtsow: Украина тоже Россия
2012-10-09 05:04:31 tmx__: ya tebe psa ti mne invait
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2012-10-09 05:04:34 zoi: 他妈的喝醉了熊的
2012-10-09 05:04:37 What-IF: It's time to clean Junk in earth orbit
2012-10-09 05:04:37 EgorSmolyakov: как дела итшники?
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2012-10-09 05:04:42 deth_: hi
2012-10-09 05:04:42 gsom: чят блеать
2012-10-09 05:04:43 Badboy___: 恩？
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2012-10-09 05:04:49 GNU12: могу отдать красивую кошку
2012-10-09 05:04:49 user: Да, чат.
2012-10-09 05:04:49 anaximen: Комнат нету?
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2012-10-09 05:04:54 testnickok: все хорошо
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2012-10-09 05:04:58 kserx: Шрифт писец, читать неудобно
2012-10-09 05:04:59 user: Мне нужен мужественный пёс.
2012-10-09 05:05:01 st_: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
2012-10-09 05:05:02 tmx__: English speakers here?
2012-10-09 05:05:03 deth_: норм шрифт
2012-10-09 05:05:06 Titulus: Да шрифт ужасный
2012-10-09 05:05:10 user: Yes.
2012-10-09 05:05:10 Badboy___: NO
2012-10-09 05:05:11 zoi: no
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2012-10-09 05:05:14 Xtsow: ну вот подключайтесь irc://chat.freenode.net#webplatform
2012-10-09 05:05:16 What-IF: โน
2012-10-09 05:05:16 testnickok: мля русские и здесь загадили)
2012-10-09 05:05:16 moo is now known as Guest95227
2012-10-09 05:05:17 Guest95227: å•Š
2012-10-09 05:05:20 EgorSmolyakov: no
2012-10-09 05:05:21 junker: No no, it russian site, sorry guys, go away!
2012-10-09 05:05:29 zoi: THIS IS RUSSIA
2012-10-09 05:05:30 tmx__: aga was
2012-10-09 05:05:31 user: But i'm not one.
2012-10-09 05:05:34 tmx__: tak i uidem
2012-10-09 05:05:35 Titulus: junker +1
2012-10-09 05:05:36 junker: RUSSIAN MAFIA!
2012-10-09 05:05:36 ewgebw: \name iron_kaput
2012-10-09 05:05:36 testnickok: ага это Россия
2012-10-09 05:05:39 anaximen: Таагиииииил!
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2012-10-09 05:05:39 Tool: Какой-то беспоелзный чятик, раскажите хоть как пропатчить кде
2012-10-09 05:05:41 tmx__: so, user
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2012-10-09 05:05:47 tmx__: can you understand russian
2012-10-09 05:05:47 Titulus: Русские заполонили
2012-10-09 05:05:52 lolka: Хабраэффект такой хабраэффект:)
2012-10-09 05:05:56 testnickok: насчет кде обращайся к путину
2012-10-09 05:05:56 user: Shure.
2012-10-09 05:05:58 Everfi: Client Quit
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2012-10-09 05:06:01 grymster: what?
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2012-10-09 05:06:05 tmx__: Shure???
2012-10-09 05:06:08 tmx__: OMFG
2012-10-09 05:06:08 Xtsow: КДЕ не нужен
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2012-10-09 05:06:14 user: Oh.
2012-10-09 05:06:14 EgorSmolyakov: Это утро :D
2012-10-09 05:06:15 Titulus: Кстати интересно свалит ли хабраэффект этот проект
2012-10-09 05:06:16 deth_: кде рулит
2012-10-09 05:06:18 tmx__: Shura bleat
2012-10-09 05:06:18 junker: Ну не жмотитесь, я три года читаю хабр и буду себя хорошо вести, поделитесь инвайтом -> gravybox@ya.ru
2012-10-09 05:06:21 Titulus: жаль на работу надо
2012-10-09 05:06:21 user: sure
2012-10-09 05:06:22 Titulus: ):
2012-10-09 05:06:24 Badboy___: what't the palt?
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2012-10-09 05:06:24 adelwin: they should create an auto-translate plug-in here..
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2012-10-09 05:06:31 grymster: lightdm rulez!
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2012-10-09 05:06:35 stipp: блеать, но не для создания же одного только чата собрались Apple, Adobe, Facebook, Google, HP, Microsoft, Mozilla, Nokia, и Opera   :DDDDD
2012-10-09 05:06:38 tmx__: Unity
2012-10-09 05:06:41 tmx__: da ia nob
2012-10-09 05:06:42 Titulus: junker - пиши статью
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2012-10-09 05:06:45 Titulus: будет тебе инвайт
2012-10-09 05:06:47 zoi: и сделали говно
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2012-10-09 05:06:50 user: Ну а чё, чат заебись.
2012-10-09 05:06:52 jlk_: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:06:56 user: Всем бы такие чаты.
2012-10-09 05:06:56 tmx__: aga
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2012-10-09 05:06:58 dabaichi: hello
2012-10-09 05:07:01 tmx__: osobenno kogda vse russkie
2012-10-09 05:07:02 user: hi
2012-10-09 05:07:05 tmx__: Hi
2012-10-09 05:07:06 jdecode: Hi
2012-10-09 05:07:06 EgorSmolyakov: зацените сайт http://wapjobs.ru гг
2012-10-09 05:07:08 Titulus: помоему на чате можно останавливаться
2012-10-09 05:07:08 mcrss: а где представители Apple, Adobe, Facebook, Google, HP, Microsoft, Mozilla, Nokia, и Opera?
2012-10-09 05:07:08 stan_: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-09 05:07:11 Lepeshka: охуенное пати блять
2012-10-09 05:07:11 junker: Я не могу пистаь статью, я могу рисовать  :\
2012-10-09 05:07:11 Guest95227: sb
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2012-10-09 05:07:12 user: i pishut translitom zachem-to
2012-10-09 05:07:13 grymster: pi-pi-pizdec! :)
2012-10-09 05:07:13 Guest40968: прям привет из 90х...
2012-10-09 05:07:13 qwwwwqcc: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:07:14 jdecode: English please?
2012-10-09 05:07:15 anaximen: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:07:15 Guest95227: sb
2012-10-09 05:07:16 Titulus: всё равно только переругаются и подеруться
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2012-10-09 05:07:20 tmx__: I am from Apple guys
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2012-10-09 05:07:26 What-IF: No need to keep Stem Cell right now
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2012-10-09 05:07:31 Titulus: jdecode it's russian site
2012-10-09 05:07:31 user: Junker, достань мне пса, дам инвайт.
2012-10-09 05:07:31 tee: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:07:32 grymster: don't speak english !:)
2012-10-09 05:07:33 tmx__: Feel free to ask me questions
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2012-10-09 05:07:34 Titulus: go away
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2012-10-09 05:07:51 What-IF: because of the new Nobel prize
2012-10-09 05:07:51 Tool: чо http://wapjobs.ru/ такой узкий?
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2012-10-09 05:07:58 grymster: yanki go home! :)
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2012-10-09 05:08:00 zoi: фуу, даже поддержки цветов нету :D ^^
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2012-10-09 05:08:06 junker: Юзер, держи пса — http://cs309727.userapi.com/v309727444/96a/KWc5HewzlzM.jpg
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2012-10-09 05:08:09 Xtsow: потому что wap
2012-10-09 05:08:12 EgorSmolyakov: Tool, он для моб. телефонов
2012-10-09 05:08:13 tmx__: pizdec uzkii
2012-10-09 05:08:17 Titulus: легендарный зой с нами о_О
2012-10-09 05:08:20 GNU12: пес хорош
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2012-10-09 05:08:31 user: Где пёс??!
2012-10-09 05:08:33 grymster: who let the dog out???
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2012-10-09 05:08:42 tmx__: gav gav
2012-10-09 05:08:42 user: Хочу, хочу, хочу.
2012-10-09 05:08:43 Badboy___: ？？？？
2012-10-09 05:08:44 What-IF: I can't heard
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2012-10-09 05:08:45 junker: Юзер, держи слово )
2012-10-09 05:08:46 Xtsow: где зой?
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2012-10-09 05:08:48 user: Yeeeah, again!
2012-10-09 05:08:50 nickless: woof
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2012-10-09 05:08:53 tmx__: ЗОЙ ЗДЕСЬ
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2012-10-09 05:09:01 user: Junker, так где он?
2012-10-09 05:09:02 zoi: bark bark
2012-10-09 05:09:04 Titulus: xtsow глянь в логах на 10-30 сообщений выше
2012-10-09 05:09:05 jdecode: Titulus, thanks.
2012-10-09 05:09:05 Titulus: вот
2012-10-09 05:09:06 stipp: а америкосы тут тоже сидят ? :D
2012-10-09 05:09:06 Titulus: он
2012-10-09 05:09:07 Badboy___: fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-09 05:09:09 jdecode: quit
2012-10-09 05:09:11 user: Я по сторонам смотрю — нету его.
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2012-10-09 05:09:17 tmx__: GTFO
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2012-10-09 05:09:25 Titulus: stipp американцы зассали
2012-10-09 05:09:25 ____: Тут все с хабра штоль сидят?
2012-10-09 05:09:27 junker: Юзер динамо
2012-10-09 05:09:28 tmx__: -test 1
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2012-10-09 05:09:30 grymster: collapse@
2012-10-09 05:09:31 user: Нет, америкосы в абрикосах. Нынче.
2012-10-09 05:09:31 Titulus: и теперь тут только хабр
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2012-10-09 05:09:35 stipp: :D
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2012-10-09 05:09:41 grymster: блеать, дети малые! :)
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2012-10-09 05:09:48 tmx__: wkololo
2012-10-09 05:09:49 jeremyb wonders why there's so much useless volume here. unless that cyrillic means something?
2012-10-09 05:09:50 testnickok: здесь хабракосы
2012-10-09 05:09:50 Titulus: всем бай
2012-10-09 05:09:52 Tool: <b>а болдом тут можно?</b>
2012-10-09 05:09:53 mcrss: час назад здесь было тихо
2012-10-09 05:09:55 nickless: рик ос ыам ер ик осы
2012-10-09 05:09:56 Jerard joined
2012-10-09 05:09:56 Titulus: работа сама себя не сделает
2012-10-09 05:09:56 tmx__: It does
2012-10-09 05:09:59 zoi: теперь это официальный хабрачат
2012-10-09 05:10:00 What-IF: Who has Iphone5 ?
2012-10-09 05:10:00 stipp: я с тоже хабра узнал о сайте . )
2012-10-09 05:10:03 tmx__: jeremy b
2012-10-09 05:10:07 iGAS joined
2012-10-09 05:10:10 stipp: :DDDD
2012-10-09 05:10:10 GNU12: Мда, как скрыть системные сообщения?
2012-10-09 05:10:11 jeker joined
2012-10-09 05:10:14 Tekill: <a href="http://wapjobs.ru/" target="_blank">http://wapjobs.ru/</a>
2012-10-09 05:10:15 Xtsow: бай
2012-10-09 05:10:17 tmx__: Dada
2012-10-09 05:10:18 sam__: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:10:20 grymster: i don't
2012-10-09 05:10:26 tmx__: kak skrit eti ebanie sistemnie soobwenia
2012-10-09 05:10:26 Guest40968: теги не поддерживает
2012-10-09 05:10:26 deth__ joined
2012-10-09 05:10:32 What-IF: me too
2012-10-09 05:10:33 Jerard: о а чё только одни русские?
2012-10-09 05:10:35 iGAS: да хрен его знает
2012-10-09 05:10:35 EgorSmolyakov: сайт прикроют как и кодинг.ком из-за хабраэффекта :D
2012-10-09 05:10:36 boostergermany: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:10:39 Xtsow: присоединяемся irc://chat.freenode.net#webplatform
2012-10-09 05:10:39 nickless: ск р как  ыть с какис тем ны каке соо какбщ ения
2012-10-09 05:10:40 junker: Вот когда нибудь попаду на хабр и тоже никому не дам инвайт :(
2012-10-09 05:10:41 ololosh: oo
2012-10-09 05:10:45 iGAS: хабрэффект не?)))
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2012-10-09 05:10:52 Xtsow: не
2012-10-09 05:10:53 Guest40968: нее
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2012-10-09 05:10:54 tmx__: ololosh noooo
2012-10-09 05:10:56 GNU12: не
2012-10-09 05:10:58 iGAS: :D
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2012-10-09 05:11:02 TehRealGawd: this spam is ridiculious
2012-10-09 05:11:03 jeremyb: tmx__: what lang?
2012-10-09 05:11:03 ololosh: :D
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2012-10-09 05:11:09 tmx__: it ain't spam
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2012-10-09 05:11:13 Alex_Zed: check check baby check :)
2012-10-09 05:11:14 grymster: напиши статью в песочницу ;)
2012-10-09 05:11:15 MyNameIS: priva!
2012-10-09 05:11:18 tmx__: English Russian Kazakh
2012-10-09 05:11:22 pnig0s: >.<
2012-10-09 05:11:29 test__ joined
2012-10-09 05:11:29 junker: Я не могу пистаь я могу рисовать!
2012-10-09 05:11:29 Jerard: казах хы
2012-10-09 05:11:30 pnig0s: 大家好
2012-10-09 05:11:32 EgorSmolyakov: я пошел
2012-10-09 05:11:33 Titulus: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 05:11:33 Yakoot: хайлоу всем
2012-10-09 05:11:36 Alex_Zed: habraffect ??
2012-10-09 05:11:37 pnig0s: and chinese
2012-10-09 05:11:37 grymster: нарисуй!
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2012-10-09 05:11:41 Xtsow: хай
2012-10-09 05:11:42 jeremyb: tmx__: ok... any way you cut it i'm still surprised by the pace. ;-)
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2012-10-09 05:11:44 MyNameIS: A kak zdes znakomitsa?
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2012-10-09 05:11:46 junker: Вот кста лого себе напечатал мотивационнное  — http://cs304310.userapi.com/v304310444/4235/lQizYiOamYU.jpg
2012-10-09 05:11:47 iGAS: блин системные сообщения жесть
2012-10-09 05:11:48 sda: Client Quit
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2012-10-09 05:11:56 junker: Норм лого?
2012-10-09 05:11:57 MyNameIS: Gde devjchki???
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2012-10-09 05:11:57 tmx__: yeah
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2012-10-09 05:12:01 user___: I just want to see somthing tereble in god's eyes, but there are only beatifull stuff. Crap.
2012-10-09 05:12:02 iGAS: да
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2012-10-09 05:12:05 grymster: past the last! :)
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2012-10-09 05:12:07 jeremyb: Ryan_Lane: is any of the infra in public git yet? i saw a question about the MW skin on identi.ca
2012-10-09 05:12:08 tmx__ slaps jeremyb around a bit with a large fishbot
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2012-10-09 05:12:15 GNU12: лого норм!
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2012-10-09 05:12:16 mcrss: так себе лого )
2012-10-09 05:12:20 nickless: येः क्या हो रहा है
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2012-10-09 05:12:27 tmx__: WTF I just done
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2012-10-09 05:12:28 stipp: я представил, что будет если о чате узнают китайцы. тут же слово не успеешь прочитать, будут постить .....:D
2012-10-09 05:12:28 mcrss: квадратик и ворованы шрифт )
2012-10-09 05:12:32 flax: Всем здоров!,
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2012-10-09 05:12:37 tmx__: habr
2012-10-09 05:12:37 Alex_Zed: :))
2012-10-09 05:12:37 stipp: ку ку
2012-10-09 05:12:38 junker: Сам ты ворованый
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2012-10-09 05:12:46 tmx__: hey jeremy
2012-10-09 05:12:46 mcrss: (
2012-10-09 05:12:46 zoi: <script> alert("habar"); </script>
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2012-10-09 05:12:49 junker: паратайп блэк гротеск 30$
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2012-10-09 05:12:53 mask_man1111: `````
2012-10-09 05:12:53 tmx__: how do you address the message to me only
2012-10-09 05:12:55 mcrss: я пошутил
2012-10-09 05:12:58 mcrss: сори )
2012-10-09 05:12:59 Ryan_Lane: jeremyb: not yet
2012-10-09 05:12:59 user___: Ха-ха, ворованный чувак в чате :)
2012-10-09 05:13:01 GNU12: кто пса просил
2012-10-09 05:13:04 mcrss: (
2012-10-09 05:13:05 Win_ slaps Wilto around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 05:13:07 jeremyb: tmx__: i haven't
2012-10-09 05:13:11 Yakoot: о, zoi
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2012-10-09 05:13:15 mask_man1111: How to use this chat?
2012-10-09 05:13:17 rainy: всем чятек
2012-10-09 05:13:17 user___: Был тут один любитель...
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2012-10-09 05:13:19 jeremyb: Ryan_Lane: let me know when?
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2012-10-09 05:13:20 valexey: а, так это же irc
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2012-10-09 05:13:21 Xtsow: Китайцы уже были здесь
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2012-10-09 05:13:25 Ryan_Lane: jeremyb: sure
2012-10-09 05:13:25 mcrss: джанкер я тоже рисовал на хабр и мой пост проигнорили в песочнице
2012-10-09 05:13:26 dad_: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:13:27 stipp: :D
2012-10-09 05:13:27 grymster: just write!
2012-10-09 05:13:29 tmx__: jeremyb: do you hear the sound now
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2012-10-09 05:13:32 rainy: :D
2012-10-09 05:13:33 jeremyb: tmx__: yah
2012-10-09 05:13:35 mcrss: там все м пофиг на рисунки (
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2012-10-09 05:13:35 mask_man1111: OK
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2012-10-09 05:13:52 tmx__: jeremyb: do you write my nickname everytime you write something
2012-10-09 05:13:52 nickless: I don't hear no sound
2012-10-09 05:13:54 grymster: i can hear birds!
2012-10-09 05:13:54 stipp:  
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2012-10-09 05:13:57 tmx__: jeremyb: like i do
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2012-10-09 05:14:11 geddesign: well this looks pointless
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2012-10-09 05:14:18 iDeveloper: Hello World
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2012-10-09 05:14:24 flax: #_23 @_23
2012-10-09 05:14:24 OleLykoe: а зачем столько служебной инфы вчате?
2012-10-09 05:14:25 stipp: hi
2012-10-09 05:14:27 Xtsow: hi
2012-10-09 05:14:28 zoi: '';!--"<XSS>=&{(<script> alert('1');</script>)}
2012-10-09 05:14:29 stipp: а хз
2012-10-09 05:14:31 GNU12: опачки англоязычные проснулись
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2012-10-09 05:14:31 stipp: )
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2012-10-09 05:14:33 sd: hi
2012-10-09 05:14:34 grymster: bird is the word! :)
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2012-10-09 05:14:35 jeremyb: tmx__: no, it's a conscious decision and when I do include it it's just tm<tab>
2012-10-09 05:14:35 tmx__: OPACHKI
2012-10-09 05:14:36 sd: asd
2012-10-09 05:14:36 iGAS: да хрен знает, и не отклюается
2012-10-09 05:14:36 junker: Консорциум
2012-10-09 05:14:36 sd: asd
2012-10-09 05:14:37 sd: asd
2012-10-09 05:14:37 sd: asda
2012-10-09 05:14:37 sd: ds
2012-10-09 05:14:38 sd: ad
2012-10-09 05:14:38 sd: as
2012-10-09 05:14:38 sd: das
2012-10-09 05:14:38 sd: d
2012-10-09 05:14:38 sd: asd
2012-10-09 05:14:39 sd: as
2012-10-09 05:14:40 nickless: There is method is chaos
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2012-10-09 05:14:42 jeremyb: sd: stop that
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2012-10-09 05:14:49 tmx__: jeremyb: cool
2012-10-09 05:14:49 Gas: Одна рашка
2012-10-09 05:14:51 _23456789: привет хабр!
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2012-10-09 05:14:52 anto: привет хабраюзерам
2012-10-09 05:14:53 Psychocrackpot: Is this just one big fat chatroom or are there different rooms for different topics?
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2012-10-09 05:14:55 zoi: data:text/html;base64,PHNjcmlwdD5hbGVydCgpPC9zY3JpcHQ+
2012-10-09 05:14:57 tmx__: jeremyb: I use CTRL+V
2012-10-09 05:14:57 grymster slaps astearns around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 05:14:57 iGAS: привет!
2012-10-09 05:14:59 laqie: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:14:59 junker: в на UA
2012-10-09 05:15:00 Xtsow: приветы
2012-10-09 05:15:01 GNU12: привет
2012-10-09 05:15:03 nickless: chaos theory
2012-10-09 05:15:03 flax: здоров
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2012-10-09 05:15:06 tmx__: VNA UKA
2012-10-09 05:15:06 Vladimir_: UA
2012-10-09 05:15:08 OleLykoe: хабра эфект в действии))
2012-10-09 05:15:13 stipp: всем доброе утро )  (ну у кого утро конечно же)
2012-10-09 05:15:15 tmx__: Habraeffect in action
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2012-10-09 05:15:19 grymster: oops, sorry man
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2012-10-09 05:15:21 flax: Доброго
2012-10-09 05:15:21 Xtsow: привет
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2012-10-09 05:15:23 iGAS: да уж, доброе..
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2012-10-09 05:15:24 Gas: Ребят инвайта не будет на хабр?
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2012-10-09 05:15:26 johny_: привет хабру :)
2012-10-09 05:15:28 ruby_on_tails: hello
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2012-10-09 05:15:31 Xtsow: нет
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2012-10-09 05:15:33 mcrss: )
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2012-10-09 05:15:35 h234ewery: ха
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2012-10-09 05:15:43 zoi: инвайты разве не отменили?
2012-10-09 05:15:44 GNU12: не будет)
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2012-10-09 05:15:52 tmx__: jeremyb: This actually is the first time I chat in an IRC
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2012-10-09 05:15:58 tmx__: jeremyb: Am i noob
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2012-10-09 05:16:02 grymster: зачем инвайт, если есть юппи ? :)
2012-10-09 05:16:02 mcrss: чтоб не ридонли быть надо инвайт
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2012-10-09 05:16:05 h234ewery: и тут русские...
2012-10-09 05:16:05 GNU12: без инвайта - read only
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2012-10-09 05:16:10 What-IF: I can't give you,  If the bird died it will belong of who shot, but when it alive it will belong of who save it
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2012-10-09 05:16:16 tmx__: Vezde russkie
2012-10-09 05:16:19 zoi: песочница
2012-10-09 05:16:24 GNU12: Юппи солиднее Инвайта кстате
2012-10-09 05:16:25 flyingcut: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:16:26 tmx__: read only
2012-10-09 05:16:35 zoi: он стоил раза в 3 больше
2012-10-09 05:16:35 Xtsow: тут нет русских
2012-10-09 05:16:38 leo_: ok can we get some english here
2012-10-09 05:16:38 johny_: and translate
2012-10-09 05:16:39 tmx__: est'
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2012-10-09 05:16:43 tmx__: we can
2012-10-09 05:16:43 junker: от юппи рот цветастей
2012-10-09 05:16:44 mcrss: зуко вкуснее
2012-10-09 05:16:45 OleLykoe: нету нету))
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2012-10-09 05:16:57 stipp: всю ночь кодил . посмотрите кому интересно - pelouse.ru . владельцам смартфонов просьба - как сайт "там" выглядит :DDDDDDDD
2012-10-09 05:16:58 tmx__: БЛЕАТЬ
2012-10-09 05:17:01 junker: кто то забанеьте англ. чуваков, мешают читать
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2012-10-09 05:17:10 zoi: zuko элитный порошок, с мякотью
2012-10-09 05:17:11 tmx__: Ну не читай
2012-10-09 05:17:12 GNU12: Зуко самый дорогой был из трех, не?
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2012-10-09 05:17:34 grymster: yeah. invite is nothing! thirst is our all! :)
2012-10-09 05:17:34 mcrss: хз, но пачки были самые большие
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2012-10-09 05:17:35 Xtsow: да, был самый дорогой
2012-10-09 05:17:37 junker: zuko это вообще то олимповские объективы
2012-10-09 05:17:37 Jian: 啊的身份
2012-10-09 05:17:41 jj_: hhhhhh
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2012-10-09 05:17:47 jj_: 中国人，哈哈
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2012-10-09 05:17:54 jj_: 钓鱼岛是中国的
2012-10-09 05:17:59 RenYuanz: ...
2012-10-09 05:17:59 jj_: 打倒小日本
2012-10-09 05:18:01 junker: ну все, чайна гайсы сейчас возьмут количество
2012-10-09 05:18:06 tmx__: SORRY GUYS I'LL HAVE TO LEAVE THE CHAT SOON
2012-10-09 05:18:08 RenYuanz: 一来就看到你发这个
2012-10-09 05:18:13 jj_: 哈哈
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2012-10-09 05:18:17 RenYuanz: 牛逼
2012-10-09 05:18:18 tmx__: ПРИЯТНО БЫЛО ПОСРАТЬ
2012-10-09 05:18:19 jj_: 我是爱国的it民工
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2012-10-09 05:18:24 GNU12: опа иероглифы 牛逼
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2012-10-09 05:18:29 RenYuanz: 都是都是
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2012-10-09 05:18:30 jj_: 哈哈
2012-10-09 05:18:30 tmx__: опа опа
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2012-10-09 05:18:36 Xtsow: китайцы как то быстро сливают
2012-10-09 05:18:37 johny_: 是中国的
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2012-10-09 05:18:40 tmx__: задавим их кириллицей
2012-10-09 05:18:41 GNU12: 牛逼
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2012-10-09 05:18:47 stipp: ЖВ
2012-10-09 05:18:47 junker: лос латинос карла буратинос
2012-10-09 05:18:49 stipp: :D
2012-10-09 05:18:50 grymster: china attacks! :)
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2012-10-09 05:18:55 zoi: какие-то китайцы не настоящие
2012-10-09 05:18:56 johny_: aioooeeeiaaia
2012-10-09 05:18:57 RenYuanz: 凸-_-凸
2012-10-09 05:19:02 koloboksmile: жжете парни )
2012-10-09 05:19:04 Xtsow: НАДО ПИСАТЬ ВОТ ТАК
2012-10-09 05:19:05 What-IF: I'm not japanese
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2012-10-09 05:19:12 junker: ur fake
2012-10-09 05:19:13 GNU12: везет тебе
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2012-10-09 05:19:21 johny_: aiaa eeiaai eeieoa
2012-10-09 05:19:21 dhavals: hi
2012-10-09 05:19:23 junker: fake fake china guys
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2012-10-09 05:19:28 flax: Если кому интересно это qwebirc http://hg.qwebirc.org/qwebirc/src/2e37e36ead85/js
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2012-10-09 05:19:31 grymster: i'm not russian etheir :)
2012-10-09 05:19:31 What-IF: believe me, เชื่อผม
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2012-10-09 05:19:35 dhavals: hello?
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2012-10-09 05:19:42 junker: кидайте уже линки на троянов что ли...
2012-10-09 05:19:42 zoi: а правда что в японии покемоны по улицам гуляют?
2012-10-09 05:19:43 GNU12: я по ссылке не пойду
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2012-10-09 05:19:45 Xtsow: hi?
2012-10-09 05:19:46 ololo: aloha
2012-10-09 05:19:47 grymster: hello?
2012-10-09 05:19:51 Zizaco: *see "Microsoft" logo at the bottom* really?
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2012-10-09 05:19:54 grymster: ololoha
2012-10-09 05:19:56 What-IF: HELL O
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2012-10-09 05:19:59 flax: парнойя level 9
2012-10-09 05:20:04 hegin: trololoha
2012-10-09 05:20:06 dhavals: WHATIF What-IF
2012-10-09 05:20:11 stipp: america's people- how are you ?  :DDDDD
2012-10-09 05:20:14 pooh_: полчата с хабра что-ли?
2012-10-09 05:20:14 grymster: nothing
2012-10-09 05:20:14 dhavals: What-IF: what??
2012-10-09 05:20:20 ololo: ага
2012-10-09 05:20:20 hegin: ага
2012-10-09 05:20:22 ololo: ))))))
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2012-10-09 05:20:23 maka: с хабра вестимо :)
2012-10-09 05:20:23 grymster: yeap
2012-10-09 05:20:25 johny_: ага
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2012-10-09 05:20:31 ololo: хабраэфект))
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2012-10-09 05:20:40 Steven__: hello
2012-10-09 05:20:41 flax: Нет весь, просто некоторые англоязычны
2012-10-09 05:20:42 Hoffman: хабраэффект =)
2012-10-09 05:20:42 junker: этот чат -- демо для статьи в песочницу
2012-10-09 05:20:43 Xtsow: не
2012-10-09 05:20:46 Xtsow: hi
2012-10-09 05:20:50 johny_: :)
2012-10-09 05:20:51 grymster: america is a nice country by the way :)
2012-10-09 05:20:51 GNU12: hello Steven
2012-10-09 05:21:00 Raj: i agree
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2012-10-09 05:21:10 What-IF: There had river in MAR
2012-10-09 05:21:11 johny_: london is a capital of england
2012-10-09 05:21:13 GNU12: частично согласен
2012-10-09 05:21:13 ololo: earth is nive planet by the way
2012-10-09 05:21:16 junker: Название классное у него — w3.org/Bugs/Public
2012-10-09 05:21:17 Raj: Who else is ther
2012-10-09 05:21:18 ololo: nice*
2012-10-09 05:21:20 Steven__: 大家好
2012-10-09 05:21:22 Hoffman: Уже лет 7 в чате не сидел =)
2012-10-09 05:21:22 zoi: Great Britain
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2012-10-09 05:21:24 Xtsow: >_<
2012-10-09 05:21:26 grymster: kiev is the capital of ukraine
2012-10-09 05:21:28 Steven__: 支持中文
2012-10-09 05:21:30 junker: YEah
2012-10-09 05:21:31 pooh_: Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft сделали чат для Хабра :)))
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2012-10-09 05:21:44 johny_: ништяк, хоть что-то полезное сделали
2012-10-09 05:21:45 junker: But oDessa the best)
2012-10-09 05:21:46 What-IF: Why  1+1 is  2 ?
2012-10-09 05:21:48 GNU12: могли бы и лучше сделать)
2012-10-09 05:21:50 Testik: Ништяк?
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2012-10-09 05:21:57 Testik: полезное???
2012-10-09 05:21:57 Azat: отлично)
2012-10-09 05:22:00 GNU12: 1+1=11 !
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2012-10-09 05:22:08 stipp: много лишней инфы в чат льется.
2012-10-09 05:22:09 Steven__: Who can speak Chinese?
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2012-10-09 05:22:12 What-IF: really
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2012-10-09 05:22:14 grymster: kathmandu is the capital of nepal :)
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2012-10-09 05:22:38 junker: Так, если никто не скинет инвайт, я больше не буду просить!
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2012-10-09 05:22:45 zoi: 俄罗斯的熊是最美丽的。
2012-10-09 05:22:47 Tannguyen: Hi
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2012-10-09 05:22:53 johny_: не верь, не бойся, не проси :)
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2012-10-09 05:22:56 grymster: moscow is not the russia now :)
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2012-10-09 05:23:16 Steven__: changename
2012-10-09 05:23:20 tmx__: jeremyb: you still here
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2012-10-09 05:23:35 tmx__: changename ™Z
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2012-10-09 05:23:36 junker: ладно, пойду свой хабр сделаю, и никого туда не пущу
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2012-10-09 05:23:39 stipp: УЛЬЯНОВСК :D
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2012-10-09 05:23:40 pooh_: Moscow is the capitaql of Gonduras похоже
2012-10-09 05:23:40 GNU12: Новокузнецк
2012-10-09 05:23:41 junker: Ñ…Ñ‹Ñ…Ñ‹Ñ… )
2012-10-09 05:23:45 maka: есть кто с Бишкека?
2012-10-09 05:23:48 tmx__: АЛМАТЫ
2012-10-09 05:23:48 mcrss: пздц на работе нельзя в ирк заходить
2012-10-09 05:23:49 What-IF: Where is Steve Jobs?
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2012-10-09 05:23:58 grymster: sorry man
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2012-10-09 05:24:00 johny_: угу :)
2012-10-09 05:24:00 junker: там же где и Пресли
2012-10-09 05:24:01 GNU12: Стиви отошел
2012-10-09 05:24:02 Flash_: гг да тут одни русаки
2012-10-09 05:24:03 tmx__: STEVE JOBS NA NEBESAH
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2012-10-09 05:24:08 stipp: Who is Steve Jobs ?  :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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2012-10-09 05:24:10 tmx__: GG
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2012-10-09 05:24:16 jeremyb: tmx__: not really
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2012-10-09 05:24:22 steeve_jobs: hi dudes!
2012-10-09 05:24:23 test1: pizdec1
2012-10-09 05:24:29 pooh_: Flash_, да тут полхабра :)
2012-10-09 05:24:33 grymster: steve will be living forever
2012-10-09 05:24:33 junker: нагрузочное тестирование
2012-10-09 05:24:34 zoi: steeve is dood
2012-10-09 05:24:35 What-IF: He is here
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2012-10-09 05:24:38 tmx__: ДЕВУШКИ ЕСТЬ?
2012-10-09 05:24:39 jeremyb: tmx__: this volume is kinda overhelming. and i can't read half of it
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2012-10-09 05:24:42 Xtsow: да нет же
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2012-10-09 05:24:48 Almaz: Доброе утро
2012-10-09 05:24:48 junker: Стив будет жить, пока на деревьях буду расти яблоки
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2012-10-09 05:24:52 tmx__: jeremyb: Yeah
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2012-10-09 05:24:55 stipp: :D
2012-10-09 05:24:59 junker: и пока будет кому их надкусывать
2012-10-09 05:25:00 zoi: уже выросли
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2012-10-09 05:25:01 GNU12: Девушек нет, но есть двушка пива
2012-10-09 05:25:01 tmx__: jeremyb: And most of it is in russian
2012-10-09 05:25:02 Xtsow: :D
2012-10-09 05:25:02 mcrss: quit
2012-10-09 05:25:03 pooh_: свем чмоки в этом чатике! :)
2012-10-09 05:25:04 zoi: зима скоро
2012-10-09 05:25:05 grymster: яблоки растут на кустах как и бананы :)
2012-10-09 05:25:05 brykneval: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:25:06 stipp: :DDDDDD
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2012-10-09 05:25:08 steeve_jobs: к сожалению, сейчас осень и яблоки не растут :(
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2012-10-09 05:25:19 Almaz: Дожили блин
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2012-10-09 05:25:24 tmx__: БЛЯТЬ ГДЕ ВСЕ ДЕВУШКИ
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2012-10-09 05:25:26 EvilSmoker228: всем приффки
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2012-10-09 05:25:28 Almaz: возвращаемся в чаты
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2012-10-09 05:25:33 maka: Зима не будет! :)
2012-10-09 05:25:34 stipp: спят )
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2012-10-09 05:25:37 tmx__: Посоны в общем есть одна тян
2012-10-09 05:25:40 zoi: :D
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2012-10-09 05:25:43 GNU12: где
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2012-10-09 05:25:46 junker: Май айс а блидинг
2012-10-09 05:25:47 Xtsow: :D
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2012-10-09 05:25:54 grymster: как известно на 10 девченок по статистике 200 парней :)
2012-10-09 05:25:55 zoi: чики вебач
2012-10-09 05:26:05 GNU12: мой лед кровоточит??
2012-10-09 05:26:07 What-IF: I have a rassian math book, It's very great,  It's so difficult
2012-10-09 05:26:09 steeve_jobs: это IT, детка!
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2012-10-09 05:26:13 stipp: блеа, мне в универ надо. неохото....:D
2012-10-09 05:26:14 junker: ох уж этот акцент
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2012-10-09 05:26:19 kk_: 好
2012-10-09 05:26:20 grymster: i'm happy for you man
2012-10-09 05:26:22 junker: школота детектед
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2012-10-09 05:26:34 MikeWang: 怎么这么多说俄语的...
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2012-10-09 05:26:35 tmx__: У менья йесть книга по русском
2012-10-09 05:26:36 jeremyb: tmx__: could be greek or chinese for all I care. I can't understand the letters. all i can do is count how many letters per word
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2012-10-09 05:26:44 maka: кто все эти люди :)
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2012-10-09 05:26:45 Flash_: на 5 пацанов 10 девченок, только 8 из них не хотят
2012-10-09 05:26:46 Anton__: Сколько русских :) С Хабра все?
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2012-10-09 05:26:48 Almaz: на хуй, пошел я на работу.
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2012-10-09 05:26:53 Alby: hi
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2012-10-09 05:26:55 tmx__: jeremyb: It's russian. Cyrillic
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2012-10-09 05:26:57 Almaz: С хабрауж
2012-10-09 05:26:57 GNU12: не ходи!!!
2012-10-09 05:26:57 steeve_jobs: давайте считать, первый нах
2012-10-09 05:27:01 GNU12: работа зло
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2012-10-09 05:27:03 jeremyb: tmx__: my statement holds
2012-10-09 05:27:03 tmx__: pervin ha
2012-10-09 05:27:06 expert: jjj
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2012-10-09 05:27:07 steeve_jobs: я в зле
2012-10-09 05:27:09 expert: ооо
2012-10-09 05:27:10 Almaz: бл я фрилансер
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2012-10-09 05:27:12 expert: руские тут
2012-10-09 05:27:14 grymster: по немецки цацки пецки, а по русски бутер брод! :)
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2012-10-09 05:27:16 steeve_jobs: а я уже на работе
2012-10-09 05:27:17 Flash_: yeah russian vodka
2012-10-09 05:27:18 Almaz: я уже на работе))
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2012-10-09 05:27:23 tmx__: jeremyb: I can't read greek as well
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2012-10-09 05:27:33 GNU12: а я не работаю :(
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2012-10-09 05:27:38 Almaz: ща с кровати встану и точно в работе буду
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2012-10-09 05:27:41 tmx__: jeremyb: And chinese is also something very dark for me
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2012-10-09 05:27:48 sddeiwd: where am i?
2012-10-09 05:27:50 zoi: MikeWang: 有很多俄罗斯在世界
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2012-10-09 05:27:56 tmx__: sddeiwd: you are here
2012-10-09 05:27:57 GNU12: ты в Нарнии
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2012-10-09 05:28:02 steeve_jobs: интересно, а цвета тут работают? :)
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2012-10-09 05:28:06 grymster: see you all later in software hell! :)
2012-10-09 05:28:09 tmx__: Diman: and play balalaikas
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2012-10-09 05:28:13 Almaz: неа, не интересно
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2012-10-09 05:28:15 astley: #webplatform
2012-10-09 05:28:17 dylan: 是啊  很多俄罗斯。。。
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2012-10-09 05:28:30 grymster: dylan stop trolling!!!!
2012-10-09 05:28:33 alex__:  Who is vietnam
2012-10-09 05:28:34 sddeiwd: OMG,i have connected to the internet
2012-10-09 05:28:34 Miller_: 这太乱
2012-10-09 05:28:34 What-IF: Where is here
2012-10-09 05:28:35 Diman: чувствую чатик ппц загибается уже
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2012-10-09 05:28:45 ololo: Dlink DSL2500U = sucks because it to hot and u need to reboot it every 30min! if someone from dlink read this..... know I hate u gays
2012-10-09 05:28:47 tmx__: Chatik-to molodex
2012-10-09 05:28:47 junker: Блин вот мы тут балуемся, а ребята работают на серьезе, давайте их пргласим в чат — Путин, Бомба, Взрыв
2012-10-09 05:28:48 sddeiwd: hello world!
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2012-10-09 05:28:58 Diman: компании google мугл незнаю как боротся с таким трафиком
2012-10-09 05:28:59 dylan:  OMG,i have connected to the internet，me too
2012-10-09 05:29:03 Guest14100: whois txt23
2012-10-09 05:29:05 dylan: o(∩_∩)o 哈哈
2012-10-09 05:29:06 zazaza: Тагил?
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2012-10-09 05:29:09 MidnightDesign: are the docs supposed to include information about upcoming stuff? for example, the page about images on the web.. shouldn't it include a section about the possible future of images, like the <picture> element?
2012-10-09 05:29:10 grymster: Радиолокационная информация, публикуемая на странице http://meteoinfo.by/radar/?q=RUSP, не может быть использована для планирования или проведения мероприятий, реализация которых связана с риском материальных потерь или человеческих жертв.
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2012-10-09 05:29:19 zoi: In Japan pokemons walk on the streets, drink sake and play DanceDaceRevolution
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2012-10-09 05:29:28 sunny: oye
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2012-10-09 05:29:30 tmx__: ya tozh
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2012-10-09 05:29:30 adsfrfr: дайте
2012-10-09 05:29:30 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:31 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:31 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:33 GNU12: Есть кто с Бурятии?
2012-10-09 05:29:35 adsfrfr: дайте
2012-10-09 05:29:35 alex__: who is vietnam
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2012-10-09 05:29:35 stipp: ))
2012-10-09 05:29:35 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:37 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:38 adsfrfr: я с бурятии
2012-10-09 05:29:38 dudesss: я негр
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2012-10-09 05:29:40 FY: 试试
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2012-10-09 05:29:42 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:42 Flash_: ты флудер
2012-10-09 05:29:43 grymster: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:43 sunny: 哦也
2012-10-09 05:29:45 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:46 dudesss: я негр
2012-10-09 05:29:47 tmx__: MODERS
2012-10-09 05:29:48 Andrew__: ты дурак!
2012-10-09 05:29:49 sashko: lol, IRC
2012-10-09 05:29:49 zoi: я негр с бурятии :D
2012-10-09 05:29:49 FY: 还有中国人啊
2012-10-09 05:29:50 tmx__: HELP
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2012-10-09 05:29:56 grymster: дурачек! :)
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2012-10-09 05:30:01 sunny: 有中国人不是很正常么
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2012-10-09 05:30:03 adsfrfr: пупсики как дела?
2012-10-09 05:30:04 What-IF: Need a translator
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2012-10-09 05:30:05 dudesss: fuck you russians stupid monkey
2012-10-09 05:30:08 dylan: 必须有啊
2012-10-09 05:30:08 junker: представьте что перед вами забор и есть краски только на 3 буквы, что вы напишите?
2012-10-09 05:30:08 beardtwizzle: A nice active IRC channel then
2012-10-09 05:30:09 Xtsow: началось в деревне лето
2012-10-09 05:30:10 adsfrfr: дайте habrahabr
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2012-10-09 05:30:16 tmx__: sam ti monkey
2012-10-09 05:30:17 steeve_jobs: мир с ошибками
2012-10-09 05:30:17 Almaz: бл! посоны! давайте че нить умное обсудим
2012-10-09 05:30:18 FY: 这个功能很强大啊
2012-10-09 05:30:20 adsfrfr: дайте habrahabr
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2012-10-09 05:30:24 sowingsadness: пришел habrahabr facepalm
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2012-10-09 05:30:27 tmx__: Almaz: davai
2012-10-09 05:30:30 grymster: мир
2012-10-09 05:30:31 grymster: май
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2012-10-09 05:30:31 steeve_jobs: канта гоголя и гегеля
2012-10-09 05:30:32 adsfrfr:  habrahabr сакс
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2012-10-09 05:30:32 GNU12:  М И Р
2012-10-09 05:30:33 sashko: щхат аре алл тхесе руссианс доинг ин мы ИРЦ
2012-10-09 05:30:34 tmx__: astley: it's a chat
2012-10-09 05:30:34 Kako_Bichno: chokavo
2012-10-09 05:30:38 sashko: ahh translit.ru sucks
2012-10-09 05:30:40 stipp: fuck you america's stupid monkey
2012-10-09 05:30:41 junker: йоо
2012-10-09 05:30:41 adsfrfr: сифер сифер
2012-10-09 05:30:44 zoi: КГБ
2012-10-09 05:30:44 stipp: :D
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2012-10-09 05:30:57 grymster: цру
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2012-10-09 05:31:02 steeve_jobs: тест
2012-10-09 05:31:02 tmx__: int main(int argc, char** argv){
2012-10-09 05:31:04 Miller_: &nbsp;
2012-10-09 05:31:05 adsfrfr: хуй
2012-10-09 05:31:06 Flash_: блин народ если так дальше пойдет и сюда через USA прокси прийдется заходить
2012-10-09 05:31:07 ololo: все тут
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2012-10-09 05:31:08 Xtsow: да, тут
2012-10-09 05:31:10 beardtwizzle: astley: Its half chat, half troll pot
2012-10-09 05:31:11 sashko: hezbollah is here
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2012-10-09 05:31:11 M03G: ё-моё.... как давно я Иркой не пользовался!!!
2012-10-09 05:31:11 sddeiwd: feel good
2012-10-09 05:31:13 zoi: А почему вы таки спрашиваете?
2012-10-09 05:31:14 Zolotoe_DNO: КГБ
2012-10-09 05:31:16 adsfrfr: есть дело
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2012-10-09 05:31:22 professor_chokav is now known as ProfessorChokavo
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2012-10-09 05:31:22 eanix: Мааааааатерь божья
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2012-10-09 05:31:27 junker: habrahabr
2012-10-09 05:31:29 Almaz: я хакер
2012-10-09 05:31:29 tmx__: IRC takoi IRC
2012-10-09 05:31:30 astley: lots of russian alphabets
2012-10-09 05:31:30 adsfrfr: дайте habrahabr
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2012-10-09 05:31:32 MikeWang: 看到有人在骂GFW...
2012-10-09 05:31:32 GNU12: а что нужно?
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2012-10-09 05:31:34 Xtsow: где??
2012-10-09 05:31:34 ProfessorChokavo: Давайте обсудим политику государства
2012-10-09 05:31:34 astley: can't understand
2012-10-09 05:31:35 Almaz: ща как взломаю всех
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2012-10-09 05:31:39 Miller_: </script>
2012-10-09 05:31:39 junker: habrahabr
2012-10-09 05:31:40 stipp: кто нибудь занимаеться веб-программированием (php, mysql) ? :D
2012-10-09 05:31:41 adsfrfr: хакер?
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2012-10-09 05:31:44 zoi: isn't russian
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2012-10-09 05:31:45 xcdd: habrahabr !!!
2012-10-09 05:31:45 What-IF: What is the name of GOD?
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2012-10-09 05:31:49 zoi: that cyrillic
2012-10-09 05:31:49 heido: все с хабра да
2012-10-09 05:31:50 Torvald_: \n
2012-10-09 05:31:50 Miller_: </Miller_>
2012-10-09 05:31:51 Almaz: я занимаюсь
2012-10-09 05:31:51 junker: stipp - да
2012-10-09 05:31:51 grymster: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:31:54 eanix: ЗАСРАЛИ ЧАТИК
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2012-10-09 05:31:55 junker: все почти )
2012-10-09 05:31:56 Kako_Bichno: tak-to da
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2012-10-09 05:31:56 GNU12: о да давайте обсудим наше правительство?
2012-10-09 05:31:56 sunny: 还骂俄国人。。
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2012-10-09 05:32:01 sashko: so many russians lol
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2012-10-09 05:32:01 MikeWang: <sddeiwd> fuck GFW!
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2012-10-09 05:32:02 savva-paladin: как всегда - чуть что, так с хабры набигают
2012-10-09 05:32:04 sashko: is it because of time zone
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2012-10-09 05:32:05 tmx__: C# C++ JAVA PHP DELPHI
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2012-10-09 05:32:08 Kako_Bichno: so many many
2012-10-09 05:32:09 junker: habrahabr
2012-10-09 05:32:11 astley: #quit
2012-10-09 05:32:12 ProfessorChokavo: ага, как была история, чувака значит ломали, он начал читать tcpdump, ну его через этот tcpdump и поломали
2012-10-09 05:32:13 Xtsow: если обсуждать политику, чата не будет
2012-10-09 05:32:14 grymster: i'm not russian! :)
2012-10-09 05:32:14 zoi: Russian strong, we war you
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2012-10-09 05:32:17 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:18 _x00dec0de: Да ну тут и биготня ))
2012-10-09 05:32:18 adsfrfr: зря
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2012-10-09 05:32:27 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:27 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:27 dth__: p\op\
2012-10-09 05:32:27 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:28 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:28 tmx__: zoi: LOL
2012-10-09 05:32:28 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:28 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:28 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:28 adsfrfr: зрязря
2012-10-09 05:32:29 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:29 adsfrfr: зря
2012-10-09 05:32:29 junker: переодически выкидывайте баннер хабры
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2012-10-09 05:32:30 adsfrfr: зрязря
2012-10-09 05:32:30 Miller_: q
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2012-10-09 05:32:35 grymster: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:32:40 asdasdasda: hello world!
2012-10-09 05:32:40 tuxy_: о, хабро-набег
2012-10-09 05:32:40 What-IF: the world don't need war
2012-10-09 05:32:41 adsfrfr: печеньки с вареньем
2012-10-09 05:32:41 adsfrfr: печеньки с вареньемпеченьки с вареньем
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2012-10-09 05:32:45 adsfrfr: печеньки с вареньем
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2012-10-09 05:32:51 tmx__: >sdf<
2012-10-09 05:32:51 sashko: JK
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2012-10-09 05:32:52 Merlin_: забаньте уже этого
2012-10-09 05:32:52 junker: школота угомони г8армоны
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2012-10-09 05:32:59 adsfrfr: печеньки с вареньем
2012-10-09 05:33:01 Almaz: бл
2012-10-09 05:33:03 ProfessorChokavo: паша, здарова
2012-10-09 05:33:03 savva-paladin: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:33:03 adsfrfr: печеньки с вареньем
2012-10-09 05:33:04 zoi: free mp3 download http://www.habrahabr.ru
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2012-10-09 05:33:07 junker: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:33:07 Jadvei: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:33:07 flax_: хабр хуйня!
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2012-10-09 05:33:12 Dagen: пора антимат сюда встраивать, с киком автоматическим)
2012-10-09 05:33:13 Merlin_: ban him alredy
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2012-10-09 05:33:14 What-IF: Which is better between  C# and Java ?
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2012-10-09 05:33:15 tmx__: flax_:  sam ti huinia
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2012-10-09 05:33:19 Almaz: всем чмоки ушел в код
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2012-10-09 05:33:25 tmx__: What-IF: c#
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2012-10-09 05:33:26 Flash_: C#
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2012-10-09 05:33:28 junker: не зацикливайся
2012-10-09 05:33:28 sunny: 跟菜市场一样
2012-10-09 05:33:28 Merlin_: What-IF: Python
2012-10-09 05:33:29 ololo: ладно пошли работать
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2012-10-09 05:33:31 ProfessorChokavo: eliminyro, здарова
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2012-10-09 05:33:35 sunny: 退了退了
2012-10-09 05:33:37 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:33:38 What-IF: C# is not free
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2012-10-09 05:33:47 Connect_dddd: hi
2012-10-09 05:33:47 tini_KRyptoNite: flax +1
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2012-10-09 05:33:49 Flash_: jeffri rihter like C#
2012-10-09 05:33:50 zoi: ObjC
2012-10-09 05:33:50 _x00dec0de: Ну да посмотрели и можно работать. ))
2012-10-09 05:33:51 kevin_: this is good site
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2012-10-09 05:33:51 Jadvei: http://habrahabr.ru/
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2012-10-09 05:33:56 grymster: close the tab!
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2012-10-09 05:33:58 junker: Кому скинуть инвайт на хабр?
2012-10-09 05:33:58 ProfessorChokavo: похуй на хабр
2012-10-09 05:33:59 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
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2012-10-09 05:34:00 Connect_dddd: zhouyuanzhouyuanzhouyuanzhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:00 What-IF: How about Python
2012-10-09 05:34:00 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:01 ProfessorChokavo: давай
2012-10-09 05:34:01 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:01 GNU12: FROM RUSSIA TO USA WITH LOVE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Tsar_Bomba.JPG
2012-10-09 05:34:01 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:02 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:02 tmx__: СРАЧ
2012-10-09 05:34:03 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:03 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:03 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:03 cheanizer: wahadap
2012-10-09 05:34:03 junker: есть 2
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2012-10-09 05:34:05 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:34:05 MrChaos: стоп
2012-10-09 05:34:05 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:05 AlexWilliams: мне мне мне)
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2012-10-09 05:34:06 ProfessorChokavo: me@mailforspam.com
2012-10-09 05:34:06 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:07 tini_KRyptoNite: а разве можно норма общаться если логи видно...
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2012-10-09 05:34:09 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:34:09 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:10 MrChaos: стоп я сказал
2012-10-09 05:34:10 What-IF: PYTHON ?
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2012-10-09 05:34:18 kevin_: but the talk \\\
2012-10-09 05:34:19 ttt: <script>
2012-10-09 05:34:22 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:34:23 tini_KRyptoNite: хабр хуйня
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2012-10-09 05:34:28 junker: http://habrahabr.ru/
2012-10-09 05:34:29 grymster: stop chaos!
2012-10-09 05:34:29 romel: VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA
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2012-10-09 05:34:31 Flash_: what you need to do on python ?
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2012-10-09 05:34:35 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:34:35 Bober: Ну и СРАЧ же устроили.
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2012-10-09 05:34:48 grymster: ибо не хуй!
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2012-10-09 05:34:51 What-IF: still no idea
2012-10-09 05:34:51 Flash_: java is not dead =)
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2012-10-09 05:34:53 eugeon: как обычно
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2012-10-09 05:34:56 GNU12: срача нет, есть милая беседа
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2012-10-09 05:34:57 MrChaos: пасаны
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2012-10-09 05:34:58 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
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2012-10-09 05:34:58 flax_: Дайте срача в чат!
2012-10-09 05:34:58 tmx__: АДМИНЫ!!!111 РАСЧЕХЛЯЙТЕ ГОВНОМЕТЫ!!!1111
2012-10-09 05:34:59 Connect_dddd: zhouyuan
2012-10-09 05:34:59 flax_: Дайте срача в чат!
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2012-10-09 05:34:59 tmx__: АДМИНЫ!!!111 РАСЧЕХЛЯЙТЕ ГОВНОМЕТЫ!!!1111
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2012-10-09 05:35:00 eugeon: без срача никак
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2012-10-09 05:35:01 tmx__: АДМИНЫ!!!111 РАСЧЕХЛЯЙТЕ ГОВНОМЕТЫ!!!1111
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2012-10-09 05:35:03 Flash_: java is native for android
2012-10-09 05:35:05 kevin_: im form china
2012-10-09 05:35:06 junker: http://habrahabr.ru/ HAS YOU!
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2012-10-09 05:35:09 flax_: Дайте срача в чат!
2012-10-09 05:35:10 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:35:10 tini_KRyptoNite: люди может кто знает где можно оффлайн доки найти на canvas и svg?
2012-10-09 05:35:11 All911: уже тут))))
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2012-10-09 05:35:15 tmx__: Flash_: java is not native for android
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2012-10-09 05:35:24 Y-u-vasya: ох ты ж блять
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2012-10-09 05:35:26 eugeon: интересно, сколько он одновременно выдержит...
2012-10-09 05:35:28 kevin_: hello everyone
2012-10-09 05:35:29 ttt: \\"''·\<script\>
2012-10-09 05:35:29 zoi: tini_KRyptoNite: скачай и читай :D
2012-10-09 05:35:29 junker: Всем учить уроки
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2012-10-09 05:35:30 eugeon: и на чем написано
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2012-10-09 05:35:31 grymster: Slice is a Zeroc-proprietary file format that programmers follow to edit computer-language independent declarations and definitions of classes, interfaces, structures and enumerations. Slice definition files are used as input to the stub generating process. The stub in turn is linked to applications and servers that should communicate with one another based on interfaces and classes as declared/defined by the slice definitions.  Apart from CORBA, cla
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2012-10-09 05:35:34 flax_: Дайте срача в чат!
2012-10-09 05:35:35 flax_: хабр хуйня!
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2012-10-09 05:35:41 flax_: Дайте срача в чат!
2012-10-09 05:35:41 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:35:43 tmx__: flax_:  ТОЛСТО
2012-10-09 05:35:44 Flash_: i mean apps on android is write of java
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2012-10-09 05:35:45 MrChaos: пасаны
2012-10-09 05:35:48 MrChaos: стоп я сказал
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2012-10-09 05:35:51 Flash_: on* java
2012-10-09 05:35:53 What-IF: What's best jobs to use PYTHON
2012-10-09 05:35:53 tini_KRyptoNite: школьники
2012-10-09 05:35:54 MrChaos: стоп я сказал
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2012-10-09 05:35:56 All911: что тут происходит
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2012-10-09 05:36:00 junker: всем учить уроки
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2012-10-09 05:36:08 Xtsow: мы пьем чай
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2012-10-09 05:36:20 GNU12: FROM RUSSIA TO USA WITH LOVE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Tsar_Bomba.JPG
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2012-10-09 05:36:32 ProfessorChokavo: Алло!
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2012-10-09 05:36:37 flax_: взрослые дяденьки тоже хуйней хотят страдать!
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2012-10-09 05:36:41 swewqeqwe: using System; using System.Linq; using System.Collections; using System.Diagnostics; using System.Diagnostics.CodeAnalysis; using System.Runtime.Serialization;  using Garaio.Framework.Collections; using Garaio.Framework.Data; using Garaio.Framework.REM; using Garaio.Framework.REM.Interfaces; using Garaio.Framework.REWE; using Garaio.Framework.Translation; using Garaio.Framework.Zahlungsverkehr; using Garaio.REM.Business; using Garaio.REM.REWE.Vorerf
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2012-10-09 05:36:53 ProfessorChokavo: buy some milk
2012-10-09 05:36:53 All911: hello
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2012-10-09 05:36:57 romel: VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUELA VENEZUEL
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2012-10-09 05:37:06 tranquil: Ахах, хабровчанам превед!
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2012-10-09 05:37:19 Hankir: что здесь происходит?)
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2012-10-09 05:37:35 ProfessorChokavo: чат беседа
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2012-10-09 05:38:10 ProfessorChokavo: ПИВНИ ЧАБРЕЦА
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2012-10-09 05:38:12 All911: english nooo
2012-10-09 05:38:14 Guest95689: i need a programmer for startup
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2012-10-09 05:38:19 tmx__: rvanlieshout: well, it should be, but it's not
2012-10-09 05:38:19 zoi: no english here
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2012-10-09 05:38:21 junker: Wannabe a Russian Mafia? Read http://habrahabr.ru/
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2012-10-09 05:38:23 kdn1990: пипец тут народа
2012-10-09 05:38:23 jan_: Привет от хабра)
2012-10-09 05:38:24 GNU12: нет таких
2012-10-09 05:38:24 zoi: werboten
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2012-10-09 05:38:30 tmx__: zoi: ti kto takoi
2012-10-09 05:38:31 All911: russia yes
2012-10-09 05:38:31 lifrost: привет хабр
2012-10-09 05:38:33 amazing_: good morning everyone :)
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2012-10-09 05:38:36 asas: тут все с хабра, как я погляжу*?
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2012-10-09 05:38:37 ProfessorChokavo: давайте в покер играть через IRC?
2012-10-09 05:38:37 oihoijljk: hello
2012-10-09 05:38:38 zoi: a ti kto?
2012-10-09 05:38:39 WHAT-IF: C# vs PYTHON
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2012-10-09 05:38:42 kdn1990: и все тут с хабра да?
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2012-10-09 05:38:47 rvanlieshout: tmx__: then let the nick higlight do it's job :)
2012-10-09 05:38:48 PraS: Привет Хабр
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2012-10-09 05:38:49 lifrost: ))
2012-10-09 05:38:50 tmx__: WHAT-IF: Python sucks
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2012-10-09 05:38:52 test____: хаброэффект
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2012-10-09 05:38:58 ProfessorChokavo:                                                                                                                   с марса мы
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2012-10-09 05:39:11 Flash_: кто не с хабра тот с марса
2012-10-09 05:39:13 jkme: hi
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2012-10-09 05:39:15 ProfessorChokavo:                                                                                                                  лепры не существует
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2012-10-09 05:39:16 jan_: Есть инвайт на Хабр?
2012-10-09 05:39:20 tmx__: Flash_: Ya s habra
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2012-10-09 05:39:30 asas: лепра это миф?
2012-10-09 05:39:31 lifrost: агонь
2012-10-09 05:39:34 PraS: ия
2012-10-09 05:39:35 tmx__: jan_: nuzhna soba4ka
2012-10-09 05:39:36 Poll: все с хабра
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2012-10-09 05:39:38 WHAT-IF: Why C# is great?
2012-10-09 05:39:39 habrahabr_ru: HELLO MY CHILDRENS!
2012-10-09 05:39:45 amazing_: c# is good
2012-10-09 05:39:46 GNU12: DA TY OHUEL??
2012-10-09 05:39:46 timmer: омг
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2012-10-09 05:39:49 habrahabr_ru: Love you sooo much!
2012-10-09 05:39:50 All911: thello lusers
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2012-10-09 05:39:53 tmx__: WHAT-IF: it's compiled, not interpreted
2012-10-09 05:39:53 jkme: и инвайт на хабру дать кто-то может?
2012-10-09 05:39:53 zoi: hello
2012-10-09 05:39:57 Chihuahua: чо?
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2012-10-09 05:40:04 amazing_: my fav language is c#...
2012-10-09 05:40:05 WHAT-IF: C++ can do that
2012-10-09 05:40:06 oihoijljk slaps ruby_on_tails around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 05:40:07 coldhead: this is why we can't have nice things
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2012-10-09 05:40:12 habrahabr_ru: Никаких инвайтов только хардкор!
2012-10-09 05:40:13 ProfessorChokavo:                                                                                                                  тут нельзя русские ники ставить :(
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2012-10-09 05:40:25 PraS: Кто нить даййте инвайт на ХАБР !!!
2012-10-09 05:40:25 tmx__: WHAT-IF: c++ takes too long to program with
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2012-10-09 05:40:30 habrahabr_ru: Никаких инвайтов только хардкор!
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2012-10-09 05:40:33 habrahabr_ru: пиши мыло
2012-10-09 05:40:35 asas: давайте устроим совместное нытьте на тему "хочу инвайт на хабр или лепру. А МНЕ НИКТО НЕ ДАЕТ"
2012-10-09 05:40:37 tmx__: PraS:  poprowaika
2012-10-09 05:40:37 WHAT-IF: right
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2012-10-09 05:40:45 habrahabr_ru: Никаких инвайтов только хардкор!
2012-10-09 05:40:45 PraS: pras@pisem.net
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2012-10-09 05:40:45 neonxp: Где появляются русские - там начинается срач. Увы.
2012-10-09 05:40:47 zoi: nomad@ag.ru
2012-10-09 05:40:47 GNU12: поддерживаю
2012-10-09 05:40:49 jkme: jkme99@gmail.com
2012-10-09 05:40:49 All911: мне дают
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2012-10-09 05:40:55 PraS: pras@pisem.net
2012-10-09 05:40:55 habrahabr_ru: есть 5 инвайтов
2012-10-09 05:40:58 All911: а вам нет?
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2012-10-09 05:40:59 habrahabr_ru: пишите мыло и анекдот
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2012-10-09 05:41:09 ProfessorChokavo:                                                                                                                  neonxp, потому что где появляются иностранцы - нихуя не понятно
2012-10-09 05:41:13 Chihuahua: мыло
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2012-10-09 05:41:15 tmx__: habrahabr_ru: РАЗВОДИШЬ ЛЮДЕЙ ДА??
2012-10-09 05:41:17 Chihuahua: анекдот
2012-10-09 05:41:18 Poll: poll-1@mail.ru
2012-10-09 05:41:26 kdn1990_: habrahabr_ru дай инвайт плиз
2012-10-09 05:41:26 jan_: <habrahabr_ru> как получить?
2012-10-09 05:41:28 Chihuahua: мыло и анекдот
2012-10-09 05:41:28 GNU12: ммм заебись
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2012-10-09 05:41:31 zup: hello people)
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2012-10-09 05:41:32 asas: (*)(*)
2012-10-09 05:41:33 habrahabr_ru: Никаких инвайтов только хардкор!
2012-10-09 05:41:33 Chihuahua: давайте инвайт!
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2012-10-09 05:41:36 GNU12: надо еще ящиков не стесняйтесь
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2012-10-09 05:41:39 songz: hmmm
2012-10-09 05:41:40 tmx__: Посоны расходимся нас наебали
2012-10-09 05:41:42 songz: what is sogin on
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2012-10-09 05:41:51 tmx__: songz: it's russia
2012-10-09 05:41:51 jan_: жаль..
2012-10-09 05:41:51 zup: что я тут забыл
2012-10-09 05:41:51 ewgenius: ororo
2012-10-09 05:41:52 zup: ааааааа
2012-10-09 05:41:53 zup: xD
2012-10-09 05:41:53 All911: porno children forbieden
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2012-10-09 05:41:55 gnarf: shepazu / paul_irish ping ^^^
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2012-10-09 05:41:56 moigagoo: Приходит к Богу секретарь: – Бог, к вам пришли атеисты.  – Скажи им, что меня нет.
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2012-10-09 05:42:00 ewgenius: кто с хабра?
2012-10-09 05:42:01 habrahabr_ru: чтобы просить и не получать инвайты нахабру, очевидно же
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2012-10-09 05:42:07 kdn1990_: habrahabr_ru дай инвайт
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2012-10-09 05:42:12 habrahabr_ru: дай мыло
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2012-10-09 05:42:14 WHAT-IF: C# vs F#
2012-10-09 05:42:16 PraS: pras@pisem.net Два педика решили поиграть в прятки, 1 Второму говорит найдешь выебешь а не найдешь я за шкафом
2012-10-09 05:42:16 flax_: хабр хуйня!
2012-10-09 05:42:18 zoi: Раздаю инвайты, пишите емейл и девьчью фамилию матери
2012-10-09 05:42:21 neonxp: ProfessorChokavo, может быть. Но тут еще попрошайки инвайтов. Фу.
2012-10-09 05:42:23 All911: logs big file)))
2012-10-09 05:42:24 test____: habrahabr_ru похоже бот, все твердит "мыло и анекдот" или "...только хардкор"
2012-10-09 05:42:24 jkme: киньте инвайт на хабру jkme99@gmail.com заранее спасибо
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2012-10-09 05:42:27 tmx__: WHAT-IF: F# is unpopular
2012-10-09 05:42:27 GNU12: еретик!
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2012-10-09 05:42:29 ProfessorChokavo передал habrahabr_ru мыло
2012-10-09 05:42:34 Guest95672: 。
2012-10-09 05:42:36 habrahabr_ru: или что?
2012-10-09 05:42:37 Xander is now known as Guest98068
2012-10-09 05:42:40 tmx__: WHAT-IF: so the lack of materials
2012-10-09 05:42:41 zoi: мыло упало
2012-10-09 05:42:43 habrahabr_ru: бот ты, а хабрахабр вселенная
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2012-10-09 05:42:51 WHAT-IF: I see
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2012-10-09 05:42:53 tmx__: WHAT-IF: what for do you need f# if you already have C#
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2012-10-09 05:43:00 uuu: hello
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2012-10-09 05:43:05 complayer: hi
2012-10-09 05:43:06 habrahabr_ru: Все, все инвайты разобрали
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2012-10-09 05:43:08 ProfessorChokavo                                                                                                                  
2012-10-09 05:43:10 tmx__: ETO MEM
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2012-10-09 05:43:12 All911: profftorrent.ru
2012-10-09 05:43:13 WHAT-IF: I need a powerful one
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2012-10-09 05:43:21 Jounts: Hi
2012-10-09 05:43:21 WHAT-IF: but
2012-10-09 05:43:22 tmx__: MEM
2012-10-09 05:43:23 tmx__: MEM
2012-10-09 05:43:25 tmx__: MEME
2012-10-09 05:43:29 tmx__: Jounts: hi
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2012-10-09 05:43:31 zoi: free mp3 download http://habrahabr.ru
2012-10-09 05:43:33 GNU12: МИ МИ МИ
2012-10-09 05:43:33 Xtsow: oh
2012-10-09 05:43:33 amazing_: hi
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2012-10-09 05:43:36 tmx__: hi
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2012-10-09 05:43:36 WHAT-IF: I still no idea to use
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2012-10-09 05:43:37 kdn1990_: у кого есть инвайт на хабр?
2012-10-09 05:43:38 giang: hi
2012-10-09 05:43:38 habrahabr_ru: Виагра
2012-10-09 05:43:39 sathish: hi
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2012-10-09 05:43:43 habrahabr_ru: у меня
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2012-10-09 05:43:46 habrahabr_ru: давай мыло
2012-10-09 05:43:47 tmx__: habrahabr_ru: a tak ne stoit
2012-10-09 05:43:49 giang: vietnamese
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2012-10-09 05:43:50 PraS: плз дайте инвайт на хабр pras@pisem.net
2012-10-09 05:43:52 lucamezzalira: hello everybody
2012-10-09 05:43:53 ProfessorChokavo: скачать google бесплатно без SMS
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2012-10-09 05:43:54 amazing_: what do you want to do in c#?
2012-10-09 05:43:56 demon: а мне можно инвайт
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2012-10-09 05:44:02 demon: demon10101@gmail.com
2012-10-09 05:44:02 GNU12: можно
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2012-10-09 05:44:03 WHAT-IF: yes
2012-10-09 05:44:03 habrahabr_ru: можно, давай мыло
2012-10-09 05:44:03 giang: c#?
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2012-10-09 05:44:10 jkme: киньте инвайт на хабру jkme99@gmail.com заранее спасибо
2012-10-09 05:44:11 tmx__: amazing_: i wanna hack penthagon
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2012-10-09 05:44:14 WHAT-IF: yes,   what do you want to do in c#?
2012-10-09 05:44:14 gnarf: "Leaving..."
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2012-10-09 05:44:18 ProfessorChokavo is now known as pedobear
2012-10-09 05:44:19 shikhanshu: this is awesome
2012-10-09 05:44:19 amazing_: haha :D
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2012-10-09 05:44:22 Jounts: Habranab поделись инвайттом, пожалуйста
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2012-10-09 05:44:27 madfrag: мне бы тоже инвайт rushan.saratov@gmail.com
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2012-10-09 05:44:34 pedo_bear: здравствуйте, детишки!
2012-10-09 05:44:37 habrahabr_ru: класс столько мыл
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2012-10-09 05:44:41 holasnr: how do they have a webchat without any captcha?
2012-10-09 05:44:41 pedo_bear: угадайте, кто я!
2012-10-09 05:44:42 Flash_: i just break the dick with c++
2012-10-09 05:44:44 tmx__: ПЕДОБИР ЗДЕСЬ
2012-10-09 05:44:44 GNU12: оооо привет Педобир!
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2012-10-09 05:44:45 kainet: и мне инвайт плиз bart47@gmail.com
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2012-10-09 05:44:49 test321: O_o
2012-10-09 05:44:51 zoi: дай конфет
2012-10-09 05:44:52 kdn1990_: ломать не переломать :D
2012-10-09 05:44:52 test____: habrahabr_ru хм, мне тоже инвайт плз
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2012-10-09 05:44:54 Jean: Hi
2012-10-09 05:44:56 nerdfiles: Cats.
2012-10-09 05:44:58 shikhanshu: hi jean
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2012-10-09 05:44:59 u1tr0n: вы реально считаете что простой просьбы доствточно чтобы получить инвайт на хабр? :)
2012-10-09 05:45:05 test321: hi nigas :)
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2012-10-09 05:45:08 u1tr0n: и вообще то на хабре открытая рега
2012-10-09 05:45:09 giang: hi shkhanshu
2012-10-09 05:45:10 tmx__: u1tr0n: ot nubi da
2012-10-09 05:45:11 pedo_bear: u1tr0n, ващето да
2012-10-09 05:45:16 jkme: киньте инвайт на хабру jkme99@gmail.com заранее спасибо
2012-10-09 05:45:17 nerdfiles: Hello, [all].
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2012-10-09 05:45:20 tmx__: pedo_bear: ващето нет
2012-10-09 05:45:24 shikhanshu: good to see that web standards will finally become "standardized"
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2012-10-09 05:45:25 habrahabr_ru: I AM THE LIGHT! FOLLOW ME!
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2012-10-09 05:45:28 demon: нету инвайта
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2012-10-09 05:45:31 WHAT-IF: where I can start with C#?
2012-10-09 05:45:32 tmx__: shikhanshu: yeah
2012-10-09 05:45:36 Jounts: u1tr0n, проверено :)
2012-10-09 05:45:37 Flash_: просто прозббы недостаточно нужно еще админу лик зе дик
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2012-10-09 05:45:40 tmx__: shikhanshu: but it's russian private chat here
2012-10-09 05:45:41 kainet: инвааааайт
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2012-10-09 05:45:49 zoi: http:/habrahabr.ru/registration/
2012-10-09 05:45:50 habrahabr_ru: не могу отправить инвайт, дайти кот лог и пасс от своего мыла
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2012-10-09 05:45:55 sowingsadness1: 1
2012-10-09 05:46:02 amazing_: English please... :/
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2012-10-09 05:46:05 shikhanshu: seriously; as someone noted above, there should have been some captcha before we can log on to the chat room
2012-10-09 05:46:07 Chihuahua: инвайт - не дай себе засохнуть!
2012-10-09 05:46:07 demon: =)
2012-10-09 05:46:08 tmx__: ШРЕДИНГЕР
2012-10-09 05:46:10 kainet: bart47@gmail.com 123123
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2012-10-09 05:46:15 tmx__: Invite
2012-10-09 05:46:15 GNU12: Педобир как поживаете?
2012-10-09 05:46:16 shikhanshu: half of these users seem to be bots
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2012-10-09 05:46:17 ctoveloz[BR]: portugues please
2012-10-09 05:46:17 kkk: превед!!!!
2012-10-09 05:46:17 nerdfiles: Are you a hu-man?
2012-10-09 05:46:21 PraS: turyaga.info
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2012-10-09 05:46:22 tmx__: shikhanshu: noo
2012-10-09 05:46:24 Guest15893: 大家好
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2012-10-09 05:46:28 tmx__: shikhanshu: we are not bots
2012-10-09 05:46:29 jkme: киньте инвайт на хабру jkme99@gmail.com заранее спасибо
2012-10-09 05:46:30 u1tr0n: хз напишите статью, куда больше шансов получить инвайт
2012-10-09 05:46:33 toleeck: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:46:36 u1tr0n: хотя это так не по-русски
2012-10-09 05:46:36 nerdfiles: Yeah, just drop in a captcha that isn't meant to be filled in.
2012-10-09 05:46:38 tmx__: shikhanshu: what's the purpose of making bots?
2012-10-09 05:46:41 habrahabr_ru: о в школе перемена началась, сеошники подтянулись
2012-10-09 05:46:42 coldhead: i miss gnarf
2012-10-09 05:46:43 u1tr0n: проше просить халяву :)
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2012-10-09 05:46:46 ADv1S: Фуух
2012-10-09 05:46:50 tmx__: shikhanshu: it's a discusison page, no need for bots
2012-10-09 05:46:50 Guest73246: 99 это год рождения?
2012-10-09 05:46:50 zoi: Не поцоны, теперь я понимаю почему вавилонскую башню не достоили
2012-10-09 05:46:50 nerdfiles: You make bots so that you can have friends.
2012-10-09 05:46:51 ADv1S: Крутой чатик)
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2012-10-09 05:46:57 tmx__: shikhanshu: think for yourself
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2012-10-09 05:47:09 tmx__: zoi: я тож
2012-10-09 05:47:12 PROFFTORRENT_RU: wold chat
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2012-10-09 05:47:12 shikhanshu: the amount of noise here is not letting me think for myself
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2012-10-09 05:47:14 WHAT-IF: I'm have a heart ,  believe me
2012-10-09 05:47:15 Jounts: <u1tr0n> не только не про-русски
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2012-10-09 05:47:19 nerdfiles: Bots <-> Imaginary Friends that Collect Real Friends.
2012-10-09 05:47:20 habrahabr_ru: <- free porn download online HD+
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2012-10-09 05:47:25 amazing_: lol
2012-10-09 05:47:25 pipka: это печально
2012-10-09 05:47:25 tmx__: SUP
2012-10-09 05:47:26 tmx__: NIGA
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2012-10-09 05:47:27 q_1: ууууууу
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2012-10-09 05:47:35 ADv1S: [09:43] <habrahabr_ru> <- free porn download online HD+    LOL
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2012-10-09 05:47:38 monkee: ?
2012-10-09 05:47:41 shikhanshu: habrahabr_ru is DEFINITELY a bot.. probably a modified Siri code
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2012-10-09 05:47:44 Mikel: чмаки всем в этом чятике
2012-10-09 05:47:45 nerdfiles: The tea is on. Goodbye, World.
2012-10-09 05:47:48 tmx__: 3D porn
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2012-10-09 05:47:50 PraS: turyaga.info
2012-10-09 05:47:50 GNU12: чмаки
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2012-10-09 05:47:57 skreti: Люди, оцените сайт: http://kokol.ru  :))
2012-10-09 05:47:58 q_1: 1D porn
2012-10-09 05:48:00 Shlomi: hey all
2012-10-09 05:48:01 tmx__: xvideos.com
2012-10-09 05:48:02 pedo_bear: киньте статью сюда: info@mfsa.ru
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2012-10-09 05:48:07 pedo_bear: я вам инвайт вышлю
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2012-10-09 05:48:08 Chihuahua: i like to drink coffee :)
2012-10-09 05:48:10 habrahabr_ru: 5 шзрщту
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2012-10-09 05:48:13 habrahabr_ru:  iphone
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2012-10-09 05:48:14 PROFFTORRENT_RU: pornotube.com
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2012-10-09 05:48:20 Merlin_: shikhanshu: habrahabr_ru is just a dude with a sick sense of humor
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2012-10-09 05:48:22 tmx__: pedo_bear: НАЕБАТЬ ХОЧШ
2012-10-09 05:48:23 WHAT-IF: the website is for 18+
2012-10-09 05:48:23 PROFFTORRENT_RU: xxx.com
2012-10-09 05:48:23 daron_: понеслась
2012-10-09 05:48:27 PraS: http://turyaga.info
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2012-10-09 05:48:29 Chihuahua: мальчики! я вам поебацца принесла! :)
2012-10-09 05:48:29 q_1: все входят и выходят(
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2012-10-09 05:48:32 tmx__: WHAT-IF: yes you are right
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2012-10-09 05:48:35 zoi: siri is just steve jobs soul who skeak with you
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2012-10-09 05:48:37 WHAT-IF: not good for young
2012-10-09 05:48:38 cosmorocket: о, чятик
2012-10-09 05:48:39 pedo_bear:                                                                                                                  tmx__, конечно нет
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2012-10-09 05:48:57 true_: hi hi
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2012-10-09 05:49:00 tmx__: pedo_bear:  я уже забыл о чем писал
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2012-10-09 05:49:07 PROFFTORRENT_RU: ().(.)
2012-10-09 05:49:07 tmx__: pedo_bear: напомнишь?
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2012-10-09 05:49:11 Chihuahua: синеглазка я тебя прошу!
2012-10-09 05:49:14 prats: Hey Any1 thr ?
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2012-10-09 05:49:18 habrahabr_ru: <----- I BELIEVE I CAN FLYYYY -------
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2012-10-09 05:49:19 GNU12: запостите котяток
2012-10-09 05:49:20 L0X0R: maby :p
2012-10-09 05:49:22 tmx__: ( . )    ( . )    TITS!!!!1111
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2012-10-09 05:49:27 L0X0R: sigh..
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2012-10-09 05:49:32 herolover: абырвал
2012-10-09 05:49:33 maxmitko: народу то
2012-10-09 05:49:35 zoi: My name is Boris, Moscow is a capital of Russia!
2012-10-09 05:49:35 WHAT-IF: EVERYONE CAN FLY
2012-10-09 05:49:35 Shlomi: do someone know if there is a problem to use HTML data  attributes i  LI tag? woka well on all but IE
2012-10-09 05:49:37 _23: боже столько спама :)
2012-10-09 05:49:37 skreti: Поделитесь плиз интайтом на хабр: skreti@ya.ru  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Буду очень благодарен! Спасибо!
2012-10-09 05:49:38 Tester: I am 12 and what is this?
2012-10-09 05:49:38 Chihuahua: ( | )
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2012-10-09 05:49:44 juseed: ^__^
2012-10-09 05:49:44 PROFFTORRENT_RU: no tits ().(.)
2012-10-09 05:49:45 tmx__: 8========>
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2012-10-09 05:49:47 pedo_bear: I am sexy and i know it
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2012-10-09 05:49:50 cosmorocket: я думал, тут про вебплатформ говорят
2012-10-09 05:49:53 tmx__: 8==>
2012-10-09 05:49:57 flax: Quit: хаброхуесосы!
2012-10-09 05:49:58 pedo_bear: 8=============3
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2012-10-09 05:49:59 WHAT-IF: EVERYONE CAN FLY => AirAsia' slogan
2012-10-09 05:50:01 habrahabr_ru: DOMINATE!
2012-10-09 05:50:01 Shlomi: [WebPlatform ::  FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org] [07:47] == Shlomi [~webchat@15.185.108.252] has joined #webplatform [07:47] <monkee> ? [07:47] <shikhanshu> habrahabr_ru is DEFINITELY a bot.. probably a modified Siri code [07:47] == kalass63 [~webchat@15.185.108.252] has joined #webplatform [07:47] == asd
2012-10-09 05:50:02 _23: видимо нет %)
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2012-10-09 05:50:05 tmx__: Gangnam style
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2012-10-09 05:50:07 pedo_bear: >3
2012-10-09 05:50:10 daron_: кому инвайты на лепру,блогистан?
2012-10-09 05:50:12 pedo_bear: >8
2012-10-09 05:50:12 PROFFTORRENT_RU: отличная плаптформа я вам говорю
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2012-10-09 05:50:13 herolover: хуй
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2012-10-09 05:50:22 skreti: Поделитесь плиз интайтом на хабр: skreti@ya.ru  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Буду очень благодарен! Спасибо!
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2012-10-09 05:50:28 tmx__: CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAt
2012-10-09 05:50:28 zoi: Я думал намного лучше будет.
2012-10-09 05:50:31 _23: #logout
2012-10-09 05:50:32 WHAT-IF: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 05:50:32 Guest87885: https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8&hl=ru&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&hs=leo&rls=org.mozilla:ru:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=F7tzUNLlA-Gp4gS7poCADg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1887&bih=951   котятки
2012-10-09 05:50:34 _23: #exit
2012-10-09 05:50:36 _23: awkdwa
2012-10-09 05:50:43 Chihuahua: it's just a begining! :)
2012-10-09 05:50:43 zoi: quit
2012-10-09 05:50:44 yuzi: #exit
2012-10-09 05:50:47 Kaliostro-rus: Опа
2012-10-09 05:50:48 tmx__: ВОТ ХОТЕЛИ КАК ЛУЧШЕ А ПОЛУЧИЛОСЬ КАК ВСЕГДА
2012-10-09 05:50:50 herolover: хууууууй!
2012-10-09 05:50:50 wowscheg: мне инвайт на лепру may-spam@yandex.ru
2012-10-09 05:50:50 test_: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-09 05:50:54 Peregrinus: Russians?
2012-10-09 05:50:56 jkme: киньте инвайт на хабру jkme99@gmail.com заранее спасибо
2012-10-09 05:50:57 habrahabr_ru: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-09 05:51:00 tmx__: Peregrinus: yep
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2012-10-09 05:51:02 bI_bI: Ñ‹Ñ‹Ñ‹
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2012-10-09 05:51:08 PROFFTORRENT_RU: http://profftorrent.ru/
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2012-10-09 05:51:13 tmx__: namba.kz
2012-10-09 05:51:16 Tumn_Gust: дайте инвайт на вебплатформ.орг !
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2012-10-09 05:51:18 Chihuahua: not russian, arabs!
2012-10-09 05:51:18 tmx__: http://namba.kz
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2012-10-09 05:51:22 GNU12: Продаю инвайты
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2012-10-09 05:51:27 Kaliostro-rus: Что это за поиздеваются такой?
2012-10-09 05:51:28 PROFFTORRENT_RU: http://profftorrent.ru/
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2012-10-09 05:51:31 sss: хабр, ты где
2012-10-09 05:51:31 bI_bI: сиськи!!!
2012-10-09 05:51:32 pdr2 is now known as pdr
2012-10-09 05:51:37 naq219: :D
2012-10-09 05:51:37 maka: где сиськи!
2012-10-09 05:51:42 Kaliostro-rus: Хабр тут
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2012-10-09 05:51:45 GNU12: сисек!!
2012-10-09 05:51:45 naq219: có ai việt nam ko
2012-10-09 05:51:46 tmx__: ( .)     ( .)
2012-10-09 05:51:47 ctoveloz[BR]: Quit: Sair
2012-10-09 05:51:49 tmx__: vot siske
2012-10-09 05:51:49 PROFFTORRENT_RU: ().(.)
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2012-10-09 05:52:09 Lel: Russian?
2012-10-09 05:52:15 Serg_UA: yeah
2012-10-09 05:52:17 Chihuahua: vietcong
2012-10-09 05:52:18 prog1: yes)
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2012-10-09 05:52:22 PROFFTORRENT_RU: no indus me
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2012-10-09 05:52:23 v0anoid: yes
2012-10-09 05:52:25 Peregrinus: Russian Imvasion
2012-10-09 05:52:26 Kaliostro-rus: Угу
2012-10-09 05:52:26 tmx__: (  |  ) <===8
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2012-10-09 05:52:29 v0anoid: одни русские :)
2012-10-09 05:52:30 woderman: good afternoon  everyone
2012-10-09 05:52:30 prog1: )
2012-10-09 05:52:31 maka: only russians!
2012-10-09 05:52:32 Peregrinus: *Invasion
2012-10-09 05:52:32 Lel: Holy cow.
2012-10-09 05:52:33 skreti: Поделитесь плиз интайтом на хабр: skreti@ya.ru  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Буду очень благодарен! Спасибо!
2012-10-09 05:52:35 tmx__: zerg rush bleat
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2012-10-09 05:52:41 v0anoid: кармы не хватает
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2012-10-09 05:52:47 pedo_bear: skreti, лови, я тебе инвайт отправил
2012-10-09 05:52:47 Serg_UA: Україна
2012-10-09 05:52:48 tmx__: skreti: Наивный
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2012-10-09 05:52:51 Serg_UA: Київ =)
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2012-10-09 05:52:54 sss: инвайт заработать надо -)
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2012-10-09 05:52:57 tmx__: pedo_bear: наебал
2012-10-09 05:52:58 sd: 中文
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2012-10-09 05:53:01 pedo_bear: не
2012-10-09 05:53:01 maka: старый добрый чятик :)
2012-10-09 05:53:02 Chihuahua: <skreti> go and fu... write the artcile!
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2012-10-09 05:53:06 pedo_bear: пусть проверит почту :)
2012-10-09 05:53:07 PROFFTORRENT_RU: goporogie
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2012-10-09 05:53:26 skreti: :)))))))) Знаю
2012-10-09 05:53:26 pedo_bear: опы спят сегодня?
2012-10-09 05:53:30 Kaliostro-rus: Че так?
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2012-10-09 05:53:30 vtd93: hi
2012-10-09 05:53:34 gerod: hi all)
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2012-10-09 05:53:36 tmx__: go dotu
2012-10-09 05:53:39 sss: у них 2 часа ночи -))
2012-10-09 05:53:40 vtd93: ^^
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2012-10-09 05:53:40 kainet: посоны а тут делать надо
2012-10-09 05:53:42 SV: Hello!
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2012-10-09 05:53:43 pedo_bear: пацаны я создал
2012-10-09 05:53:45 abhilash0505: Client Quit
2012-10-09 05:53:46 vtd93: english please
2012-10-09 05:53:47 gerod: Ñ‹Ñ‹
2012-10-09 05:53:48 tmx__: |)otA
2012-10-09 05:53:48 pedo_bear: цепляйтесь
2012-10-09 05:53:50 gerod: и тут русские)
2012-10-09 05:53:50 tmx__: |)otA|)otA|)otA
2012-10-09 05:53:51 tmx__: |)otA
2012-10-09 05:53:51 tmx__: |)otA
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2012-10-09 05:53:58 pedo_bear: старую правда, 5.84
2012-10-09 05:53:58 SV: Who wants to see boobs.
2012-10-09 05:53:59 GNU12: какой ip
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2012-10-09 05:54:03 pedo_bear: но это нестрашно же, да?
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2012-10-09 05:54:08 Chihuahua: dudes! what the fuck are you doing here? :)
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2012-10-09 05:54:19 Guest88751: Boobs!!!
2012-10-09 05:54:24 tmx__: Chihuahua: we are fucking here
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2012-10-09 05:54:37 Guest88751: ( . )   ( . )
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2012-10-09 05:54:39 PROFFTORRENT_RU: black list tits site
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2012-10-09 05:54:42 tmx__: she ain't a rockstar but she has boobie
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2012-10-09 05:54:50 Chihuahua: who is the fuckiest one? :)
2012-10-09 05:54:51 skreti: свалка)
2012-10-09 05:54:51 Nenai: part
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2012-10-09 05:55:11 pedo_bear: skreti, как тебе инвайт?
2012-10-09 05:55:12 TASK: hello everyone
2012-10-09 05:55:14 pedo_bear: красивенький?
2012-10-09 05:55:15 tmx__: Э лан пошел я работать
2012-10-09 05:55:15 Chihuahua: a ta ta
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2012-10-09 05:55:22 tmx__: pedo_bear: очень
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2012-10-09 05:56:14 test_: С хабра много утт наверное
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2012-10-09 05:56:23 _23: Хабр халоу!
2012-10-09 05:56:23 test_: 0_о о_0
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2012-10-09 05:56:25 GNU12: никого
2012-10-09 05:56:26 tmx__: pedo_bear: ooo diskoteka chto eto tokoe
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2012-10-09 05:56:31 pedo_bear: рокотека
2012-10-09 05:56:31 Blob_: da, mnogo s xabra :)
2012-10-09 05:56:34 Puha: хабра тут нет
2012-10-09 05:56:35 xromw: хабр+ )
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2012-10-09 05:56:37 _23: Херня какую-то придумали.
2012-10-09 05:56:37 test_: *зануда* дайте инвайт
2012-10-09 05:56:38 pedo_bear: prodigy
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2012-10-09 05:56:38 test_: )))
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2012-10-09 05:56:42 test__: хабрахабр!
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2012-10-09 05:56:44 GNU12: хабр не палится никогда
2012-10-09 05:56:51 pedo_bear передал пакет с инвайтом test_
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2012-10-09 05:56:59 Xtsow_: какой там irc тут?
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2012-10-09 05:57:16 pedo_bear: irc.freenode.net
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2012-10-09 05:57:18 pedo_bear: вроде как
2012-10-09 05:57:22 test_: Ñ‹Ñ‹Ñ‹
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2012-10-09 05:57:29 wqdeq: ХОТЕТЬ ИНВАЙТ!
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2012-10-09 05:57:39 pedo_bear: irc://morgan.freenode.net/#webplatform
2012-10-09 05:57:41 GNU12: ого какую классику припомнил!
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2012-10-09 05:58:45 Muqthar: Why so complex?
2012-10-09 05:58:49 test_: объявляется день патча kde под frebsd
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2012-10-09 05:58:54 GNU12: bara bara bara bere bere bere
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2012-10-09 05:58:55 BCEM_HACPATb: Всем hi
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2012-10-09 05:59:03 Muqthar: seems funny
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2012-10-09 05:59:06 Muqthar: seems silly
2012-10-09 05:59:06 pedo_bear: http://cs317728.userapi.com/v317728447/6ba0/DCNUxlEGWKk.jpg
2012-10-09 05:59:08 gds: So...anyone doing anything fun with PHP?
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2012-10-09 05:59:27 pigg: hi
2012-10-09 05:59:27 huan: hi men
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2012-10-09 05:59:41 pigg: hi all
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2012-10-09 05:59:59 nl_: so oldskul lol
2012-10-09 06:00:02 putin: буду краток
2012-10-09 06:00:06 pigg: :D
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2012-10-09 06:00:14 huan: so good
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2012-10-09 06:01:33 putin: kak-to tak
2012-10-09 06:01:38 quehv: Hello
2012-10-09 06:01:40 hhhh: Slava rusi!
2012-10-09 06:01:41 pigg: talk
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2012-10-09 06:02:22 badaboom: hoi
2012-10-09 06:02:22 zex: :)
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2012-10-09 06:02:32 zex: my first time here.
2012-10-09 06:02:33 quehv: welcome to chat web platform
2012-10-09 06:02:37 zex: so many guys here.
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2012-10-09 06:02:55 zex: yes
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2012-10-09 06:03:03 zex: zex is my name
2012-10-09 06:03:06 La5: one two one two
2012-10-09 06:03:07 Joe__: hi
2012-10-09 06:03:11 XD is now known as Guest63565
2012-10-09 06:03:11 pigg: double
2012-10-09 06:03:14 putin test
2012-10-09 06:03:22 putin ест детей
2012-10-09 06:03:22 La5: :))
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2012-10-09 06:03:28 zex: quehv, you know me?
2012-10-09 06:03:35 Chihuahua: много?
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2012-10-09 06:03:45 quehv: no
2012-10-09 06:03:49 Guest63565: потому что краб ? :))
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2012-10-09 06:03:58 mozartDV slaps chaasof around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 06:03:58 Chihuahua: вова краб?
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2012-10-09 06:04:01 quehv: i want talk with you
2012-10-09 06:04:04 zex: gosh, we not know your language.
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2012-10-09 06:04:27 pigg: give me money
2012-10-09 06:04:29 Chihuahua: zex: it's your problem!
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2012-10-09 06:04:38 putin: no money - no honey
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2012-10-09 06:04:46 zex: why my problem?
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2012-10-09 06:04:58 mozartDV: только залогинился и на тебе: про Вову и про краба))
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2012-10-09 06:05:04 zex: i do not see this chat room is good.
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2012-10-09 06:05:10 soulreaper: check
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2012-10-09 06:05:14 melawire: еей /o.o/
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2012-10-09 06:05:15 zex: quite noisy.
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2012-10-09 06:05:20 pigg: oh~
2012-10-09 06:05:21 zex: bye guys.
2012-10-09 06:05:21 mksvs: name mksvs
2012-10-09 06:05:22 niknewys_: have you thought about certifcation?
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2012-10-09 06:05:24 Chihuahua: <zex> learn russian man, it's language of the future! at least they think so ;)
2012-10-09 06:05:24 Guest63565: Он вездесущ...
2012-10-09 06:05:28 pigg: see u
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2012-10-09 06:05:41 zex: why not try chinese?
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2012-10-09 06:05:47 zex: chinese is the future.
2012-10-09 06:05:50 pigg: å•Š
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2012-10-09 06:06:00 Ringess: test
2012-10-09 06:06:02 zex: 是的阿
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2012-10-09 06:06:04 kot: habraeffect, where are you?
2012-10-09 06:06:05 putin: на совещании с Министром Связи было решено наградить mozartDV знаком отличия и вручить ему грамоту
2012-10-09 06:06:05 zex: chinese
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2012-10-09 06:06:08 pigg: 靠。。
2012-10-09 06:06:11 Chihuahua: <zex> chinese has to switch to letters ;)
2012-10-09 06:06:11 niknewys_: why chinese
2012-10-09 06:06:15 Greg__: всем здарова
2012-10-09 06:06:19 Ringess: Ñ‹
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2012-10-09 06:06:27 BoBuDudu: йес
2012-10-09 06:06:28 Greg__: хабрачат?
2012-10-09 06:06:31 mozartDV: тссс...здесь Путин
2012-10-09 06:06:32 sbose78: Does the website render well in IE 8 ? not that I'm a great fan, just asking. It isn't rendering too great :(
2012-10-09 06:06:32 putin: поправьте кодировку, иероглифы лезут
2012-10-09 06:06:32 zex: gotta go.
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2012-10-09 06:06:32 Ringess: :D
2012-10-09 06:06:36 BoBuDudu: Ага, Хабр рулит)
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2012-10-09 06:06:37 zex: my last time here.
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2012-10-09 06:06:42 kot: хабралюд, привет
2012-10-09 06:06:45 Greg__: )))
2012-10-09 06:06:48 wd_: woot, откуда столько русских?
2012-10-09 06:06:50 niknewys_: should render fine in Ie8
2012-10-09 06:06:51 sid2010: 哈哈哈
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2012-10-09 06:06:55 mozartDV: Всем хабралюдям привет!
2012-10-09 06:06:55 niknewys_: what about IE6?
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2012-10-09 06:06:56 Chihuahua: <zex> don't see you again :)
2012-10-09 06:06:59 Greg__: все русские с хабра)
2012-10-09 06:07:01 pigg: 敲代码
2012-10-09 06:07:07 Greg__: хабра-веб-платформа
2012-10-09 06:07:08 atrius_: точно точно
2012-10-09 06:07:08 wd_: вот оно что!
2012-10-09 06:07:12 Cameron_D: "*.net *.split"
2012-10-09 06:07:13 Greg__: :D
2012-10-09 06:07:13 BoBuDudu: Русские на 1,2,3... расчитайсь)
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2012-10-09 06:07:30 BoBuDudu: много, много нас)
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2012-10-09 06:07:40 Chihuahua: fuck yeah! russian like to count themself :)
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2012-10-09 06:07:44 putin: 3 наряда вне очереди <jhgkhgkjhgk>
2012-10-09 06:07:52 Greg__: ahaha)
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2012-10-09 06:08:21 Greg__: ладно, классно у вас тут, но пора работать ))
2012-10-09 06:08:21 Mohit: yo!
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2012-10-09 06:08:29 Chihuahua: yeo: don't slap the people!
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2012-10-09 06:08:37 add_: хабра небось сидит? ))
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2012-10-09 06:08:41 mozartDV: какой нафиг работать?? уже шестой час))
2012-10-09 06:08:42 wd_ slaps chaasof around a bit with a large fishbot
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2012-10-09 06:08:43 Dennus: Да уж
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2012-10-09 06:08:45 daron_: пффф
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2012-10-09 06:08:52 BoBuDudu: через 22 минуты обед)
2012-10-09 06:08:56 abulo: asdasd
2012-10-09 06:08:57 abulo: dddddddddd
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2012-10-09 06:08:58 Greg__: у меня пока только 10 утра :D
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2012-10-09 06:09:02 daron_: нифига у вас обед рано
2012-10-09 06:09:04 Greg__: блин, откуда вы все???:D
2012-10-09 06:09:09 add_: у меня тоже 10-10
2012-10-09 06:09:10 Greg__: со всей России))
2012-10-09 06:09:11 Chihuahua: бурятия!
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2012-10-09 06:09:15 donghua: hi
2012-10-09 06:09:15 add_: как откуда с хабры ))
2012-10-09 06:09:16 mozartDV: ДВ
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2012-10-09 06:09:17 BoBuDudu: ЯМАЛ
2012-10-09 06:09:19 daron_: ульяновск йоба
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2012-10-09 06:09:21 add_: Питер
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2012-10-09 06:09:28 Chihuahua: питер да
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2012-10-09 06:09:29 jhgkhgkjhgk: Абакан
2012-10-09 06:09:29 _192kb: Алтай
2012-10-09 06:09:31 daron_: все здесь
2012-10-09 06:09:33 Dennus: Хабру привет)
2012-10-09 06:09:35 Greg__: офигеть)
2012-10-09 06:09:36 pigg: donghua
2012-10-09 06:09:36 putin: Россия
2012-10-09 06:09:37 Dennus: бай
2012-10-09 06:09:37 Guest63565: Мск
2012-10-09 06:09:38 cosmo: ебург )
2012-10-09 06:09:39 donghua: heloo
2012-10-09 06:09:40 Greg__: чуваки
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2012-10-09 06:09:46 putin: чмаф всех в этом чятике! =****
2012-10-09 06:09:47 Greg__: подкиньте инвайт на хабр :D
2012-10-09 06:09:47 cosmo: прям децтво )
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2012-10-09 06:09:53 add_: стресс-тестирование чата, хабра-стайл? :))
2012-10-09 06:09:55 daron_: отличный у вас говор
2012-10-09 06:09:55 Greg__: 2 года читаю, а писать не могу (
2012-10-09 06:09:56 donghua: 你们能看到吗
2012-10-09 06:10:02 pigg: 能
2012-10-09 06:10:03 Dennus: ))
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2012-10-09 06:10:10 test2321: `*`*
2012-10-09 06:10:11 mozartDV: осталось только по темам чатик разбить и тогда работа встанет.
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2012-10-09 06:10:14 fiterik: heyy
2012-10-09 06:10:19 cosmo: :D
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2012-10-09 06:10:30 putin: сослать Greg__ на чукотку! Чукча не читатель, чукча писатель
2012-10-09 06:10:31 Dennus: #info
2012-10-09 06:10:32 mozartDV: кстати, отличная возможность пообщаться для ридонли юзеров))
2012-10-09 06:10:32 BoBuDudu: Та же история только читаю,  и молчу в тряпочку)
2012-10-09 06:10:34 coldhead: Quit: Ullhodturdenweirmudgaardgringnirurdrmolnirfenrirlukkilokkibaugimandodrrerinsurtkrinmgernrackinarockar
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2012-10-09 06:10:40 Greg__: ахахах)
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2012-10-09 06:10:46 Greg__: почему сразу чукотка))
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2012-10-09 06:10:50 putin: massage
2012-10-09 06:10:52 daron_: а я написал пост. но карма мелкая всё равно
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2012-10-09 06:10:54 Greg__: сошлите меня на Хабр!
2012-10-09 06:10:56 Greg__: :D
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2012-10-09 06:11:00 mozartDV: phaistonian, хах))) точно!
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2012-10-09 06:11:07 pigg: this message from china
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2012-10-09 06:11:21 Marcus__: Hello
2012-10-09 06:11:23 Chihuahua: тхис мессаге фор цхине
2012-10-09 06:11:23 _192kb: and this not from china
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2012-10-09 06:11:26 cosmo: народ упорно повалил отсюдова )
2012-10-09 06:11:27 mozartDV slaps mozartDV around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 06:11:29 putin: i'm fine thank you
2012-10-09 06:11:31 add_: зачем столько служебной информации???
2012-10-09 06:11:33 cosmo: заселье россии, хы!
2012-10-09 06:11:34 Greg__: ну так что?) Бурятия, Алтай, Абакан?
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2012-10-09 06:11:37 Marcus__: Which web browser is your main browser?
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2012-10-09 06:11:43 putin: add_, это IRC, детка!
2012-10-09 06:11:45 Greg__: Ебург в конце-концов)
2012-10-09 06:11:47 Chihuahua slaps _23456111 around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 06:11:49 ACRush: all your base are belong to us!
2012-10-09 06:11:50 pigg: haha
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2012-10-09 06:12:10 Chihuahua: yahoo
2012-10-09 06:12:13 deim: habr :)
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2012-10-09 06:12:18 _23456111: 1. Подготовка информации, отчетов, писем, телефонограмм по направлению работы отдела и Жовтневого районного в городе совета в городской совет, облгосадминистрации. 2. Подготовка дислокации предприятий, учреждений и организаций района, которые самÐ
2012-10-09 06:12:18 pigg: baidu
2012-10-09 06:12:27 add_: кроме флема
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2012-10-09 06:12:31 Marcus__: Which web browser are you using right now?
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2012-10-09 06:12:33 ACRush: whois pigg
2012-10-09 06:12:39 pigg: me
2012-10-09 06:12:39 Greg__: Habrapeoples! Give me an invite, please!
2012-10-09 06:12:43 deim: во блин, сколько русских о_0
2012-10-09 06:12:45 mozartDV: Chrome
2012-10-09 06:12:45 asdffr: ???
2012-10-09 06:12:47 dsf4: lol habr
2012-10-09 06:12:51 ACRush: just a test
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2012-10-09 06:12:56 pigg: oh~
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2012-10-09 06:13:12 donriga: зфь зфь зфь
2012-10-09 06:13:22 chinee: ？？？
2012-10-09 06:13:24 DmitryPRG: что тут происходит?
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2012-10-09 06:13:32 donriga: дмитрий рпг
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2012-10-09 06:13:34 Greg__: хабра-чат
2012-10-09 06:13:35 donriga: это русские
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2012-10-09 06:13:39 viking: how are you
2012-10-09 06:13:40 donriga: хабра чат да
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2012-10-09 06:13:46 donriga: imfine
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2012-10-09 06:13:52 deim: хабрачатег :D
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2012-10-09 06:13:54 Pasystem: прикольный чат
2012-10-09 06:13:56 Xtsow_: i'm ok
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2012-10-09 06:13:58 Chihuahua: Роман: [8:56:45] Grygorii: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/  <<< Ну irc и шо?
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2012-10-09 06:14:02 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:02 donriga: ща поляжет
2012-10-09 06:14:04 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:06 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:07 Pasystem: наверное одни ит-шники тут :)
2012-10-09 06:14:07 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:07 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:08 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:08 DmitryPRG: чатсхаброэффектом
2012-10-09 06:14:09 donriga: мооо хабравчан
2012-10-09 06:14:09 cosmo: are you gangsters? no! we are russian :D
2012-10-09 06:14:09 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:10 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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2012-10-09 06:14:11 Guest57697: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
2012-10-09 06:14:12 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:12 chinee: is this open for all
2012-10-09 06:14:12 donriga: нид мо
2012-10-09 06:14:13 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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2012-10-09 06:14:14 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:15 donriga: еще
2012-10-09 06:14:15 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:16 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:17 donriga: давай
2012-10-09 06:14:17 dsf4: СКОРЕЕ, ОДНИ ДОЛБОЕБЫ
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2012-10-09 06:14:18 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllvlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:18 Guest4637: ахаха
2012-10-09 06:14:18 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:20 donriga: давай
2012-10-09 06:14:20 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:20 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:20 Guest57697: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
2012-10-09 06:14:21 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
2012-10-09 06:14:22 donriga: еще
2012-10-09 06:14:22 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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2012-10-09 06:14:22 pigg: fuck u!
2012-10-09 06:14:25 donriga: жги зург
2012-10-09 06:14:25 ACRush: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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2012-10-09 06:14:30 Greg__: че за мудак)
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2012-10-09 06:14:31 donriga: тебя нахуй посталил
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2012-10-09 06:14:32 deim: банить нужно таких мудаков
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2012-10-09 06:14:33 chinee: bu  yao shua ping ....ni  mei  o
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2012-10-09 06:14:38 Guest57697: hi
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2012-10-09 06:14:47 donriga: выгнал пендосов
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2012-10-09 06:14:49 deim: кажется их много было на одном IP
2012-10-09 06:14:51 Greg__: лол что это)
2012-10-09 06:14:54 pigg: chinee 哈哈。
2012-10-09 06:14:55 Greg__: :D
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2012-10-09 06:15:00 donriga: пиндосы пошли вон
2012-10-09 06:15:03 chinee: 不要刷屏
2012-10-09 06:15:03 y_m: what？
2012-10-09 06:15:04 DmitryPRG: бот ip
2012-10-09 06:15:08 donriga: китайцы тоже
2012-10-09 06:15:11 Guest4637: ACRush уже че то взломать пытается
2012-10-09 06:15:15 Guest4637: :D
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2012-10-09 06:15:28 deim: блять, это даже не смешно
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2012-10-09 06:15:34 deim: почти АИБ
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2012-10-09 06:15:45 DmitryPRG: где тут сотрудники больших компаний?
2012-10-09 06:15:45 donriga: русские в чате
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2012-10-09 06:15:59 donriga: тагиииииил
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2012-10-09 06:16:01 Xtsow_: я сотрудник большой компании
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2012-10-09 06:16:05 DmitryPRG: Русский ча. Остальные на выход.....
2012-10-09 06:16:06 mozartDV: это уже русский чат.
2012-10-09 06:16:07 deim: какие сотрудники? какие компании? ХАБРАААА
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2012-10-09 06:16:09 cosmo: че тагил? )
2012-10-09 06:16:11 Greg__: Пользуясь моментом хочу передать привет маме и папе, а так же получить инвайт на Хабр xD
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2012-10-09 06:16:33 deim: Грег, статью напиши на хабр, иначе ты там не нужен
2012-10-09 06:16:36 giallorossa: Говорят, что хабр скоро закроется
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2012-10-09 06:16:48 DmitryPRG: говорят все время что-то
2012-10-09 06:16:49 Xtsow_: момент не удаячный
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2012-10-09 06:16:56 pop: дайте ему инвайт, надоел уже :)
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2012-10-09 06:17:03 pigg: go
2012-10-09 06:17:04 Greg__: :D
2012-10-09 06:17:09 pigg: wuliao
2012-10-09 06:17:10 BoBuDudu: не давайте
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2012-10-09 06:17:18 deim: поп? инвайт? а машину погонять не дать?
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2012-10-09 06:17:33 pigg: chinee 干啥
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2012-10-09 06:17:46 chinee: 什么地方
2012-10-09 06:17:53 pigg: chengdu
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2012-10-09 06:18:00 Seatless: (. ) ( .)
2012-10-09 06:18:03 chinee: ........我是问这个是
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2012-10-09 06:18:10 kpik: Привет Хабрахабр!
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2012-10-09 06:18:15 deim: ламповый чатик
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2012-10-09 06:18:18 deim: для хабры
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2012-10-09 06:18:22 Greg__: привет, НЛО!
2012-10-09 06:18:26 pigg: chinee 你怎么来的..就是个测试HTML5聊天室的吧...
2012-10-09 06:18:27 chinee: 怎么任意进入
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2012-10-09 06:18:35 DraeliYvesAstier: part
2012-10-09 06:18:45 Guest14025: this chat interface look a little bit akward
2012-10-09 06:18:47 BoBuDudu: Ну всё, Хабровчане нашли себе развлечение на работе)
2012-10-09 06:18:50 chinee: 浮云....
2012-10-09 06:18:57 DmitryPRG: 俄罗斯在这里聊天
2012-10-09 06:19:03 deim: ПОСОНЫ НЕ КАЧАЙТЕ - ТАМ ВИРУС
2012-10-09 06:19:03 chinee: 看到了
2012-10-09 06:19:05 deim: :D
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2012-10-09 06:19:06 pigg: 。。
2012-10-09 06:19:10 Greg__: НЛО прилетело и опубликовало эту надпись здесь
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2012-10-09 06:19:25 chinee: 去 google  一下
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2012-10-09 06:19:29 Lbrtn: всем цёмки в этом чатике
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2012-10-09 06:19:36 mozartDV: <b>test</b>
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2012-10-09 06:19:48 donriga: отрубить нужно масанджы
2012-10-09 06:19:52 ericelliott: hi
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2012-10-09 06:20:06 dfs: habr?
2012-10-09 06:20:11 mozartDV: здесь еще и англоязычные попадаются)
2012-10-09 06:20:12 Greg__: {FF0000}lol
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2012-10-09 06:20:18 deim: ол хайл хабр
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2012-10-09 06:20:20 BoBuDudu: habr
2012-10-09 06:20:23 PNG: хочу такой же форум
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2012-10-09 06:20:26 Greg__: habr
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2012-10-09 06:20:39 donriga: еще пачка пиндосов вышла
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2012-10-09 06:20:53 Greg__: представьте, что было бы, если в статьях вместо комментариев был такой чат)
2012-10-09 06:20:53 ericelliott: wow
2012-10-09 06:20:54 donriga: еще одна
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2012-10-09 06:21:14 deim: а куда они таким оптов вылетают?
2012-10-09 06:21:16 donriga: в комментарии надо поставить disqus
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2012-10-09 07:09:34 DraeliYvesAstier: hi, salut
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2012-10-09 07:22:12 sineborod: Русские?
2012-10-09 07:23:44 avsej: :)
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2012-10-09 07:24:17 Ryan_Lane: looks like europe is waking up :)
2012-10-09 07:24:38 mstalfoort: hehe, yep
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2012-10-09 07:25:26 Ryan_Lane: hooray for second peaks: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?c=app&m=load_one&r=day&s=descending&hc=4&mc=2
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2012-10-09 07:25:38 sowingsadness1: looks like one Russian's blog post link to webplatform chat -))
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2012-10-09 07:26:22 desbenoit: Ryan_lane Wow!
2012-10-09 07:26:28 Ryan_Lane: this is like a second launch
2012-10-09 07:28:04 Ryan_Lane: still only about 200 req/s
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2012-10-09 07:28:19 desbenoit: That's impressive.
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2012-10-09 07:30:31 sowingsadness1: peak reason: http://habrahabr.ru/post/154101/
2012-10-09 07:30:53 Ryan_Lane: cool
2012-10-09 07:31:24 Ryan_Lane: this may in fact be more requests than we got for american launch
2012-10-09 07:32:13 inkvizitor68sl: hm
2012-10-09 07:32:16 inkvizitor68sl: strange ganglia
2012-10-09 07:32:21 inkvizitor68sl: my looks much better )
2012-10-09 07:32:50 Ryan_Lane: this is the ganglia web frontend that comes from the ubuntu package in precise
2012-10-09 07:32:51 Ryan_Lane: it's a little old
2012-10-09 07:32:55 inkvizitor68sl: oh
2012-10-09 07:33:29 inkvizitor68sl: no heatmap, no aggregated graph
2012-10-09 07:33:46 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-09 07:33:50 desbenoit: France comes into the dance: http://frenchweb.fr/news-ce-qu-il-faut-savoir-ce-matin-34/80164
2012-10-09 07:33:52 Ryan_Lane: those are in the newer version
2012-10-09 07:34:00 Ryan_Lane: this'll be fun :)
2012-10-09 07:34:00 inkvizitor68sl: it looks like ~10 years ago )
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2012-10-09 07:34:25 Ryan_Lane: I get to watch the request graphs real time with location heat maps, too :)
2012-10-09 07:34:32 Ryan_Lane: from our front-end caches. heh
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2012-10-09 07:40:55 Ryan_Lane: 250+ req/s now
2012-10-09 07:41:43 mimir|on: congratulations to whomever had this idea!
2012-10-09 07:43:05 desbenoit: Ryan_Lane brace yourself, we're at a rate of a message per 5 seconds on twitter.
2012-10-09 07:43:14 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-09 07:43:22 pzich: desbenoit: wait, it's not higher than that?
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2012-10-09 07:43:40 Ryan_Lane: slightly higher
2012-10-09 07:43:47 desbenoit: pzich nope.
2012-10-09 07:44:00 Ryan_Lane: so, I'm not too worried. we should have worked out any launch pains then
2012-10-09 07:44:05 pzich: hmm, could've sworn I heard some other crazy stat, but that may have just been during a major event
2012-10-09 07:44:33 desbenoit: It's still early in europe, and the press is starting to discover the project.
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2012-10-09 07:44:48 desbenoit: western europe, I mean.
2012-10-09 07:44:50 Ryan_Lane: yeah. this is the beginning of the frenzy
2012-10-09 07:44:59 Ryan_Lane: we'll see if it beats out the american peak by much
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2012-10-09 07:45:37 Ryan_Lane: miss times aren't increasing. still sub 1s
2012-10-09 07:45:55 Ryan_Lane: load continues to increase, though
2012-10-09 07:46:37 Ryan_Lane: that said, cpu utilization is still under 20%, and we're not even using 1/3 of the memory
2012-10-09 07:46:50 pzich: what was peak usage?
2012-10-09 07:47:17 Ryan_Lane: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?m=load_one&r=day&s=descending&c=app&h=&sh=1&hc=4&z=small
2012-10-09 07:47:20 Ryan_Lane: you can see there
2012-10-09 07:47:30 astropirate_: i'm confsed
2012-10-09 07:47:37 astropirate_: webplatform reference section is empty :S
2012-10-09 07:47:48 Ryan_Lane: astropirate_: where?
2012-10-09 07:47:49 Ryan_Lane: link?
2012-10-09 07:48:09 astropirate_: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/objects
2012-10-09 07:48:51 Ryan_Lane: seems it was created today
2012-10-09 07:48:55 Ryan_Lane: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=javascript%2Fobjects&diff=6582&oldid=5837
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2012-10-09 07:53:49 mimir|on: Ryan_Lane: on what platform is the website hosted?
2012-10-09 07:53:58 Ryan_Lane: we're using hp cloud
2012-10-09 07:54:13 Ryan_Lane: under that we're using a fairly standard lamp stack
2012-10-09 07:54:20 Ryan_Lane: we're using fastly as the frontend cache
2012-10-09 07:54:25 mimir|on: cool, speed sis great
2012-10-09 07:54:29 mimir|on: *speed
2012-10-09 07:54:43 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki for the wiki, wordpress for the blog, questions2answers for the forum, qwebirc for the chat
2012-10-09 07:54:47 Ryan_Lane: thanks
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2012-10-09 07:55:02 Ryan_Lane: and we're using memcache for object caching
2012-10-09 07:55:12 Ryan_Lane: I'll be writing a blog post about this soon
2012-10-09 07:55:23 mimir|on: Ryan_Lane: that would be great!
2012-10-09 07:55:29 Ryan_Lane: we're using salt stack for configuration management, remote execution and deployment
2012-10-09 07:55:42 inkvizitor68sl: Server	Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)
2012-10-09 07:55:45 inkvizitor68sl: hehe
2012-10-09 07:56:07 Ryan_Lane: european peak is higher than US peak now :)
2012-10-09 07:56:18 Ryan_Lane: inkvizitor68sl: it's the version that comes with ubuntu lucid
2012-10-09 07:56:26 KindOne: part
2012-10-09 07:56:35 inkvizitor68sl: i mean "Apache"
2012-10-09 07:57:01 Ryan_Lane: meh. I guess I could have used nginx
2012-10-09 07:57:14 Ryan_Lane: the web server itself wouldn't really make that much of a difference :)
2012-10-09 07:57:28 Ryan_Lane: the vast majority of requests is served by the frontend cache
2012-10-09 07:58:20 mimir|on: Ryan_Lane: is there any varnish involved?
2012-10-09 07:58:35 Ryan_Lane: yes. our frontend cache is fastly, which uses ssd backed varnish
2012-10-09 07:58:44 Ryan_Lane: globally distributed
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2012-10-09 08:01:02 mimir|on: Ryan_Lane: niice :D
2012-10-09 08:01:52 Ryan_Lane: inkvizitor68sl: would appreciate if you didnt :)
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2012-10-09 08:03:03 pzich: heh, still 47% of messages I've recieved from this channel are joins, parts or quits
2012-10-09 08:04:00 Ryan_Lane: peaking at about 350 req/s counting all domains
2012-10-09 08:04:11 arkhi1: pzich: Maybe you want to talk about the preview that displays the HTML instead of the html entities? :)
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2012-10-09 08:05:08 arkhi1: It’s probably known already, but I was a bit surprised to see that when editing a page.
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2012-10-09 08:08:00 sgtfrankieboy: ey
2012-10-09 08:08:37 Munter: You guys are aware that the web entrance to this channel has been klined?
2012-10-09 08:08:52 Ryan_Lane: Munter: klined?
2012-10-09 08:09:01 Munter: Ryan_Lane: Banned
2012-10-09 08:09:19 Ryan_Lane: ugh
2012-10-09 08:09:37 sgtfrankieboy: IRC Terms :P
2012-10-09 08:09:40 Munter: Apparently a symptom of popularity. FReenode doesn't allow to many conenctions from the same ip
2012-10-09 08:09:47 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-09 08:09:51 desbenoit: You are banned from this server- This web client is being abused by automated bots. Please find a way to limit abuse (for example, recaptcha) and then email klines@freenode.net to restore access. (2012/10/9 08.21)
2012-10-09 08:09:52 Ryan_Lane: I emailed them earlier
2012-10-09 08:10:05 Ryan_Lane: we had a problem a while ago with having no ops that were awake in the channel
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2012-10-09 08:10:34 Ryan_Lane: oh well. can't do anything about that right now
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2012-10-09 08:10:46 Ryan_Lane: I should honestly be sleeping
2012-10-09 08:10:46 Munter: Is it really needed to have ops active at all times?
2012-10-09 08:11:09 Ryan_Lane: on launch, when you have a web chat prominently displayed? yes ;)
2012-10-09 08:11:16 pzich: I should definitely be sleeping :/
2012-10-09 08:11:50 Munter: True. Didn't look like to many in here had a long history in IRC when I joined yesterday :)
2012-10-09 08:12:43 Munter: The amazement of being able to talk to people all over the world was reminiscent of the 90's :)
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2012-10-09 08:23:58 shinaku_: Morning folks
2012-10-09 08:24:11 desbenoit: Morning Shinaku
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2012-10-09 08:24:24 k1rby_^: Morning shinaku_
2012-10-09 08:24:44 pzich: not yet, I hope
2012-10-09 08:26:10 shinaku_: This whole project sounds very interesting.
2012-10-09 08:26:24 mstalfoort: it is shinaku_
2012-10-09 08:26:49 shinaku_: I'm amazed at the list of stewards.
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2012-10-09 08:34:27 chrismills: Hi all, Chris here from Opera/W3C/webplatform.org. If anyone has any questions about webplatform, I'd be more than happy to help.
2012-10-09 08:35:11 desbenoit: good morning ChrisMills
2012-10-09 08:35:26 chrismills: desbenoit: why hello there ;-)
2012-10-09 08:35:27 mstalfoort: awesome chrismills
2012-10-09 08:35:43 chrismills: Or Bonjour, should I say...
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2012-10-09 08:35:53 chrismills: mstalfoort: hey ;-)
2012-10-09 08:36:12 Sandkorn: mmh, is there a bugtracker for the site?
2012-10-09 08:36:28 chrismills: desbenoit: if I teach everyone how to stop media wiki markup from breaking, you can give us some French lessons ;-)
2012-10-09 08:37:03 desbenoit: SandKorn it's there -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
2012-10-09 08:37:07 Sandkorn: ty
2012-10-09 08:37:27 desbenoit: Chrismills we have a deal.
2012-10-09 08:37:45 chrismills: Sandkorn: yes - we use the W3C bug tracker, at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/. Use webplatform.org as the product name. There's a much more detailed article on fixing and filing web platform bugs at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
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2012-10-09 08:37:55 chrismills: desbenoit: cool ;-)
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2012-10-09 08:38:31 desbenoit: First lesson.
2012-10-09 08:39:09 kranius: Le Javascript
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2012-10-09 08:39:24 desbenoit: Merci de bien vouloir faire attention à la syntaxe du wiki ^^
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2012-10-09 08:40:01 sz0ka: Hey guys
2012-10-09 08:40:09 chrismills: desbenoit: Thanks for teaching us wiki syntax?
2012-10-09 08:40:17 sz0ka: Erm I got banned by your qwebirc client, maybe it is a bug?
2012-10-09 08:40:31 chrismills: sz0ka: Hey there. Hrm, that is weird.
2012-10-09 08:40:39 sz0ka: yep
2012-10-09 08:40:42 GoOz|w0rk: hi there
2012-10-09 08:40:44 chrismills: sz0ka: sounds like it. I will look into it for you
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2012-10-09 08:41:09 Lifesnoozer: Apparently the webchat is banned entirely
2012-10-09 08:41:15 desbenoit: Chrismills: Close Enough. Be careful with the wiki markup, thanks.
2012-10-09 08:41:17 Lifesnoozer: Too many connections over a short period of time :P
2012-10-09 08:41:19 sz0ka: chrismills: it is actually no problem for me 'cuz I just wanted to get the channel name so I could join this channel by irssi...
2012-10-09 08:41:31 arkhi1: deal: “if I teach everyone how to stop media wiki markup from breaking, you can give us some French lessons ;-)”
2012-10-09 08:41:32 sz0ka: But maybe some unexperienced users may get problems
2012-10-09 08:41:40 Ryan_Lane: we were banned because we had no ops to kick out the spam bots
2012-10-09 08:41:49 Ryan_Lane: ok. sleep time
2012-10-09 08:41:54 sz0ka: Ryan_Lane: gn8
2012-10-09 08:41:55 desbenoit: Ryan_Lane: you never sleep
2012-10-09 08:41:57 desbenoit: ?
2012-10-09 08:42:01 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-09 08:42:02 chrismills: night Ryan_Lane !
2012-10-09 08:42:19 mglaser: Ryan_Lane good night. Great Job!
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2012-10-09 08:43:06 chrismills: So I guess we will just have to wait until Ryan is awake again. He is based in the US, so really needs some sleep ;-)
2012-10-09 08:43:59 chrismills: He will have the IRC client issue in hand. I have also filed a bug to ask infrastructure to post the IRC connection details on the web chat page, so it is easier for people to just log on using their own client
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2012-10-09 08:45:29 sz0ka: Okay nice, erm but the main reason why I joined was a bit more project specific.. I want to help you with your platform, is there anything i could do :)? Maybe translate something to german?
2012-10-09 08:46:21 sz0ka: I'm not that good in js or html but I've got some knowledge in python, c, chicken-scheme and so on..
2012-10-09 08:46:40 sz0ka: oh I forgot Java xD
2012-10-09 08:46:57 chrismills: sz0ka: well, we are looking to add translation facilities to the project later on; for the moment there are loads of other things we could use help on
2012-10-09 08:47:00 mstalfoort: chrismills, will it be multi lang at some point
2012-10-09 08:47:08 mstalfoort: ah check
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2012-10-09 08:48:07 chrismills: IF you got o http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started and look at the "Tasks" section, that gives you loads of ideas on how to contribute
2012-10-09 08:48:13 chrismills: s/o/to
2012-10-09 08:48:28 sz0ka: Perfectly, thank you!
2012-10-09 08:48:37 chrismills: let me know if you have any more questions
2012-10-09 08:48:43 sz0ka: I'll ;D
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2012-10-09 08:56:30 _kud: Did you see the chat client is banned from freenode?
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2012-10-09 08:56:47 desbenoit: _kud, we do
2012-10-09 08:56:54 _kud: Okay :)
2012-10-09 08:57:05 desbenoit: There's too many connexion from only one IP for freenode.
2012-10-09 08:57:20 chrismills: _kud - what desbenoit said, + problem with spam bots
2012-10-09 08:57:33 chrismills: we'll get it back up when the US staff wake up ;-)
2012-10-09 08:57:38 _kud: ;)
2012-10-09 08:57:58 markstickley: Do you think it would be sensible to put the name of the channel on the page so people can connect with standalone clients? Not that it's hard to guess but, you know. For clarity.
2012-10-09 08:58:12 _kud: I think so
2012-10-09 08:58:27 _kud: Coz I had to connect via the client to see what network it was
2012-10-09 08:58:38 markstickley: Right.
2012-10-09 08:58:39 arkhi1: thanks for the howto contribute chrismills
2012-10-09 08:58:45 chrismills: markstickley: I've already filed a bug asking them to do that
2012-10-09 08:58:49 _kud: and I guessed for the channel it was #webplatform or ##webplatform but I finally found it.
2012-10-09 08:58:59 markstickley: chrismills: nice one.
2012-10-09 08:59:19 chrismills: markstickley: totally makes sense - using your open client is so much better; the web-based UI should only really be a short term fallback
2012-10-09 08:59:54 chrismills: arkhi1: no problem! let me know if you have any more questions
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2012-10-09 09:02:51 k1rby_^: is'nt there already a page with the name of the channel?
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2012-10-09 09:04:18 k1rby_^: ha, found it : http://talk.webplatform.org/
2012-10-09 09:04:29 k1rby_^: it even contains an irc:// link
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2012-10-09 09:11:20 chrismills: ReklatsMasters: bug filed already - we are hoping to fix it today, when the US folks wake up
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2012-10-09 09:38:21 znowi: hi, guys. i think it's suffice to state the freenode channel name on the website, given the audience. on top of which your webchat is banned on freenode: Closing Link: 15.185.108.252 (*** Banned ).
2012-10-09 09:39:54 k1rby_^: znowi: the channel name is given : http://talk.webplatform.org/
2012-10-09 09:39:58 arkhi1: Maybe we should put the already known problems as the title of the chan? :)
2012-10-09 09:40:03 sonotos: hm good point, where to report bugs?
2012-10-09 09:40:12 Kevin3: It happens to me also.
2012-10-09 09:40:24 k1rby_^: sonotos: w3c bugzilla (see chan topic)
2012-10-09 09:40:36 arkhi1: sonotos: "at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/. Use webplatform.org as the product name"
2012-10-09 09:40:45 sonotos: arkhi1: thx
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2012-10-09 09:41:41 znowi: k1rby_^: ah, somehow i bypassed this page. thanks.
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2012-10-09 09:44:29 markstickley: znowi: It's easily done. I don't think there's a link to that page on the site without going via the broken client page and clicking in the crumb trail.
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2012-10-09 09:45:57 znowi: yes, the chat link on the front page and the one on the docs wiki, both lead to http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-09 09:47:30 chrismills: k1rby_^: ah, would you say I need to add a link to make bug reporting more obvious?
2012-10-09 09:47:31 znowi: it's a good place to add a subtle "freenode #webplatform" note :)
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2012-10-09 09:48:06 sonotos: arkhi1: would be infrastructure the right category for a broken link?
2012-10-09 09:48:47 sonotos: in the system, not in the content
2012-10-09 09:48:47 chrismills: znowl: I have filed a bug to ask the infrastructure guys to add the chat details to the chat page…but adding it somewhere else might be nice too
2012-10-09 09:49:10 sonotos: its allready on http://talk.webplatform.org/
2012-10-09 09:49:51 mstalfoort: chrismills, we should get this msg in a better spot in the wiki, so you dont have to repeat it several times
2012-10-09 09:50:17 chrismills: sonotos - depends where it is. If it is on a content page, such as a tutorial, then content but if it is on a page like the front page or the chat page, it's infrastrucxture
2012-10-09 09:50:43 chrismills: mstalfoort: I'll work on that
2012-10-09 09:51:08 mstalfoort: awesome
2012-10-09 09:51:11 sonotos: chrismills: thx
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2012-10-09 09:54:00 znowi: i really like the logo. who made it?
2012-10-09 09:54:34 kranius: znowi: http://bl.ocks.org/3853405
2012-10-09 09:55:04 chrismills: znowi i can't remember exactly who it was. Google paid for a branding company to work on it
2012-10-09 09:55:53 pixolin: "Thank you!"
2012-10-09 09:59:20 arkhi1: chrismills: An idea would be to have a topic for the chan with one link to a static page listing all usefull links actually in the chan topic. Like a “Read this first” thingy?
2012-10-09 10:00:26 chrismills: arkhi: more useful than the huge number of links we have there already ;-)
2012-10-09 10:01:12 arkhi1: I would say yes. :p
2012-10-09 10:01:29 chrismills: ok - I'll try to change it in a moment, if I can
2012-10-09 10:02:06 arkhi1: Don’t forget to breathe as well.
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2012-10-09 10:03:49 znowi: kranius: thanks
2012-10-09 10:04:16 znowi: chrismills: was google also the originator of the project idea?
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2012-10-09 10:06:13 chrismills: znowi: No - it was W3C who originated the idea; then it was us (Opera), Goog, Moz and MS who got on board early, then the others followed slightly later
2012-10-09 10:06:21 chrismills: YsenGrimm: hi ;-)
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2012-10-09 10:15:56 kranius: chrismills: your employer is Opera ? what is your position there ?
2012-10-09 10:17:04 chrismills: kranius: I'm lead editor/writer for http://dev.opera.com, plus I do lots of developer outreach - coding demos, giving conference talks, etc. I'm Opera's representative on webplatform.org.
2012-10-09 10:17:16 kranius: nice, thanks
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2012-10-09 10:17:55 chrismills: kranius: I am doing 50-70% of my work on webplatform.org at the moment, as I'm currently a W3C Fellow - brought on board to work on this stuff ;-)
2012-10-09 10:18:31 kranius: how does webplatform.org compare to, let's say developer.mozilla.org ?
2012-10-09 10:19:20 kranius: is it "more open", i.e. not "mozilla only"
2012-10-09 10:19:20 chrismills: All of the original content ("seed content") has been taken from the dev sites of Opera, Moz, Google, MS, Nokia, Facebook and others
2012-10-09 10:19:46 chrismills: We are working on repurposing our dev sites, so that they don't compete with webplatform
2012-10-09 10:19:53 chrismills: cs, well, that would be silly ;-)
2012-10-09 10:19:55 chrismills: cos*
2012-10-09 10:20:06 kranius: yes, that's what I thought too :)
2012-10-09 10:20:22 chrismills: So at Opera, we are putting all of our basic tutorials on webplatform
2012-10-09 10:20:58 chrismills: and keeping dev.opera.com as a place for higher level tutorials and proprietary stuff, like how to build Opera extensions, speed dial extensions, etc.
2012-10-09 10:21:06 kranius: kudos for the effort :>
2012-10-09 10:21:10 Soarez: word
2012-10-09 10:21:16 chrismills: thanks guys
2012-10-09 10:21:25 chrismills: there's a lot of work still to be done
2012-10-09 10:21:27 arkhi1: This is just so good… Congrats and thanks!
2012-10-09 10:21:55 chrismills: But we thought it made more sense to release it now and get the community's help, rather than just sit on it for another 6 months ;-)
2012-10-09 10:22:12 chrismills: arkhi1: cheers ;-)
2012-10-09 10:22:29 chrismills: Mozilla have given loads of their tutorial stuff over to the project too
2012-10-09 10:22:56 chrismills: I think they are planning to make MDN more about Moz proprietary stuff, like B2G, Jetpack, etc.
2012-10-09 10:23:08 arkhi1: would make a lot of sense
2012-10-09 10:23:13 kranius: indeed
2012-10-09 10:24:13 chrismills: Microsoft is the interesting one - they've imported about 3000 reference pages over to webplatform
2012-10-09 10:24:22 chrismills: that was a stressful script to write ;-)
2012-10-09 10:24:32 chrismills: kudos to those guys, seriously
2012-10-09 10:26:11 chrismills: HTML/CSS/JS
2012-10-09 10:26:17 chrismills: no silverlight stuff ;-)
2012-10-09 10:26:28 znowi: how does the importing procedure work?
2012-10-09 10:26:42 YsenGrimm: hopefully adobe will do the same :D
2012-10-09 10:26:52 YsenGrimm: no flash stuff
2012-10-09 10:27:27 chrismills: znowi A lot of it was done manually, for the tutorials, etc. But because the Ms content was so huge they wrote a big import script to throw it into the database. I don't know exactly what they used to do it...
2012-10-09 10:27:59 chrismills: Adobe have already donated some content, but I don't think we've used it yet
2012-10-09 10:28:23 chrismills: that stuff -> http://beta.theexpressiveweb.com/
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2012-10-09 10:28:51 chrismills: But seriously, the attitude is a pragmatic one. We will cover whatever web developers want to know about
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2012-10-09 10:29:05 chrismills: If it is proprietary, then so be it.
2012-10-09 10:29:13 YsenGrimm: adobe did a lot of work on html5 like phongapl or brackets lately
2012-10-09 10:29:28 arkhi1: Whatever the direction, this is just a great move already.
2012-10-09 10:29:35 chrismills: But we will clearly mark that content as proprietary, and keep it in a separate section to the open standards stuff
2012-10-09 10:29:39 znowi: chrismills: neat. didn't know about this site.
2012-10-09 10:29:45 vldcnst: chrismills: slighty channel offtopic, but what is the best place to report a bug with Opera? (http://i.imgur.com/tXUUw.png)
2012-10-09 10:30:07 vldcnst: chrismills: and get some dev. assistance, of course.
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2012-10-09 10:30:21 chrismills: we can't really *not* include it, regardless sod our political leanings. Most web developers don't care about politics - they just want to get the job done.
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2012-10-09 10:30:46 chrismills: YsenGrimm: yeah, they bought phone gap. I was chatting the Brian Leroux recently about it
2012-10-09 10:30:52 znowi: vldcnst :)
2012-10-09 10:31:45 chrismills: vldcnst: whoa! that sure is pretty ;-)
2012-10-09 10:32:38 chrismills: Please report bugs at https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/
2012-10-09 10:32:43 vldcnst: chrismills: ugh, okay.
2012-10-09 10:33:41 chrismills: vldcnst: what language Opera version are you using?
2012-10-09 10:34:02 vldcnst: english - standard install.
2012-10-09 10:34:30 chrismills: platform?
2012-10-09 10:34:59 vldcnst: windows 7, x64
2012-10-09 10:35:29 chrismills: hem, craziness ;-) We'll look at it
2012-10-09 10:36:21 vldcnst: the funny thing is, it looks like opera is going through multiple fonts - aka when I refresh, it's requesting the webfont again and rendering with a different one.
2012-10-09 10:36:56 vldcnst: eventually, after 4-5 tries, it will render somewhat readable, or even the correct font
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2012-10-09 10:39:51 sowingsadness1: vldcnst	do you have GlyphaLTStd65Bold font in system?
2012-10-09 10:40:44 vldcnst: sowingsadness1: negative
2012-10-09 10:40:46 YsenGrimm: ok need to go
2012-10-09 10:40:49 YsenGrimm: see ya
2012-10-09 10:41:04 Kevin3: webplatform.org don't pass the W3C tests. Embarrassing. :o
2012-10-09 10:42:04 chrismills: Kevin3: we've not done too badly, given that it is built upon a load of messy stuff like semantic media wiki
2012-10-09 10:43:01 chrismills: Kevin3 it was so hard to find a platform to build it on that was accessible enough to satisfy the W3C, and capable of handling that amount of traffic and documents.
2012-10-09 10:43:11 chrismills: semantic media wiki was the least worst option ;-)
2012-10-09 10:43:30 karlcow: vldcnst: there are a few bugs related to font on Win7 such as DSK-368378 and DSK-366808
2012-10-09 10:44:51 markstickley: Kevin3: There are 5 validation errors on the home page, 3 of which are related to youtube, I believe. So kind of not webplatform.org's fault…
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2012-10-09 10:47:32 vldcnst: karlcow: any suggested fixes in those/
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2012-10-09 10:48:30 karlcow: bugs are still opened
2012-10-09 10:48:38 mcrss: hi all
2012-10-09 10:50:40 Kevin3: chrismills, markstickley thx for this explain. :]
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2012-10-09 10:52:31 chrismills: Kevin3 no worries! I know it is a bit embarrassing, but as you well know, things are rarely this simple ;-)
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2012-10-09 10:59:01 mcrss: Can anybody help me with a little javascript trouble? )
2012-10-09 10:59:06 fireglow: Hello
2012-10-09 10:59:09 mcrss: hi
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2012-10-09 11:02:34 Peeter__: Hello
2012-10-09 11:02:53 Peeter__: Seems like the DB is in a deadlock, cannot register a new user account on the site.
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2012-10-09 11:05:03 dwoldrich: huzzah!
2012-10-09 11:05:43 dwoldrich: haruphles
2012-10-09 11:07:46 mcrss: anybody help me pls
2012-10-09 11:08:00 mcrss: is there JS programmers?
2012-10-09 11:08:05 Grephix: sup?
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2012-10-09 11:08:37 Soarez: mcrss: how can we help you?
2012-10-09 11:08:42 Grephix: mcrss: whats the problem?
2012-10-09 11:09:03 mcrss: we know that we can create objects by constructor functions defining the prototype of this functions. And constructor returns new "class instance".
2012-10-09 11:09:29 mcrss: According to the fact that functions are objects I need to create a function by the Constructor function
2012-10-09 11:09:47 mcrss: sorry for my bad English )
2012-10-09 11:10:10 dwoldrich: here's my pattern, maybe it will help you
2012-10-09 11:10:25 dwoldrich: create a standard named function, that will be your constructor
2012-10-09 11:10:54 dwoldrich: refer to members of your class with "this.fieldName" in the constructor and in member methods
2012-10-09 11:11:26 dwoldrich: after your constructors is made, we need to build out the class
2012-10-09 11:11:48 dwoldrich: to do this, I typically do myFunction.prototype = {};
2012-10-09 11:12:03 dwoldrich: and then myFunction.prototype.constructor = myFunction;
2012-10-09 11:12:51 mstalfoort: dwoldrich, maybe create an example at jsfiddle.net ... that would help all of us
2012-10-09 11:13:11 dwoldrich: and then myFunction.prototype.field = 0, '', or null, depending on if it will be a numeric, string, or other object - in my constructor, I actually initialize the fields using this.fieldName =
2012-10-09 11:13:11 mcrss: this constructor will build an object
2012-10-09 11:13:11 carolyns: hey hey
2012-10-09 11:13:17 carolyns: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html seems broken in terms of markup
2012-10-09 11:13:22 dwoldrich: uh
2012-10-09 11:13:29 dwoldrich: I'll see what I can do
2012-10-09 11:13:29 carolyns: formatting is wrong
2012-10-09 11:13:51 arkhi1: Bye bye to all web warriors around here… Have a safe day / night. :)
2012-10-09 11:14:09 carolyns: I'd do it myself but can't at the moment so I'm just pointing out :P
2012-10-09 11:14:35 mcrss: but i need to build a function by constructor
2012-10-09 11:14:45 mcrss: something like this:
2012-10-09 11:14:46 Garbee: mcrss, Have you tried asking in #javascript?
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2012-10-09 11:15:19 mcrss: Garbee, no )
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2012-10-09 11:15:46 Garbee: mcrss, You should try asking there.  This room isn't for support but to organize contributions to the webplatform.org site.
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2012-10-09 11:17:08 mcrss: im a newbie here, sorry for my ignorance ^)
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2012-10-09 11:17:21 mcrss: ill try to ask there
2012-10-09 11:17:46 paul_irish: Garbee: thanks. :) it's true though I feel it's going to be hard to enforce this for a bit
2012-10-09 11:17:58 Garbee: paul_irish, I will try to help!
2012-10-09 11:18:01 chrismills: carolyns - I see what you mean about the HTML page being broken ;-)
2012-10-09 11:18:02 paul_irish: thanks!
2012-10-09 11:18:05 Garbee: and your welcome.
2012-10-09 11:18:16 chrismills: carolyns: I'll try to fix it now
2012-10-09 11:19:36 dwoldrich: mcrss: hey, here's something to look at... http://jsfiddle.net/BCapU/
2012-10-09 11:20:12 Garbee: paul_irish, Could you set the room so Chanserv stays around and gives a message upon entry that this room isn't for support?  Also updating the "chat" page on the site with the same message so people know before even coming (but also list rooms they can go in to ask.)
2012-10-09 11:20:22 dwoldrich: go ahead and ask me questions and whatnot
2012-10-09 11:20:37 Peeter__: The chat page doesn't work
2012-10-09 11:20:40 mstalfoort: dwoldrich, perfect
2012-10-09 11:20:54 Peeter__: Well, freenode has banned the chat client, because it's being used by bots or something.
2012-10-09 11:21:33 paul_irish: i need to add freenode staff ot the channel ACL
2012-10-09 11:21:42 paul_irish: once shepazu wakes up
2012-10-09 11:22:02 Peeter__: Would be great if you could let someone know the user registration is messed up also
2012-10-09 11:22:04 Peeter__: DB locked
2012-10-09 11:22:18 Grephix: Peeter__: is that so?
2012-10-09 11:22:22 Grephix: I only just created a user.
2012-10-09 11:22:24 Peeter__: Indeed
2012-10-09 11:22:43 Grephix: Worked flawlessly
2012-10-09 11:22:49 Garbee: I think this is about to get abused:  http://www1.webplatform.org/logo/     :  I'm going to be posting it *everywhere* I can that it fits.
2012-10-09 11:23:43 Peeter__: Hmmm, seems like I was trying to register on the wiki :P
2012-10-09 11:24:04 Garbee: It all should register to the same account.
2012-10-09 11:24:20 Peeter__: Worked now
2012-10-09 11:26:52 chrismills: Garbee - go for it! We would love to see it graffiti 'ed around as much as possible ;-)
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2012-10-09 11:29:38 Garbee: chrismills, I was planning on starting a blog series on basic web design (before talking about [Twitter] Bootstrap related stuff) but this completely kills the need for that.  I can just link here for people who need that level of support.
2012-10-09 11:30:16 chrismills: nice
2012-10-09 11:30:40 desbenoit: Hey Garbee
2012-10-09 11:30:44 Garbee: In fact I think I'm giong to link to the tutorials section in the Bootstrap topic.  People always are asking things that are just standard web design and have nothing to do wtih Bootstrap itself.
2012-10-09 11:30:55 Garbee: Hello desbenoit.
2012-10-09 11:31:19 desbenoit: If you wish to contribute to the web design section, just feel free to !
2012-10-09 11:31:53 Garbee: I'm planning on contributing a bit.  Going to read over what you guys already have as far as tutorials go first though and look into ways of improving those.
2012-10-09 11:32:11 desbenoit: Awesome
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2012-10-09 11:32:57 Garbee: Is just anyone allowed to add an image to a page?  Or do you need special permissions for that?
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2012-10-09 11:35:16 Garbee: Well, either way really.  The Getting Started Guide [ http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started ] or perhaps a new page for content submission rules (which I don't really see the need for since the guide is enough) should have rules for image submissions.  Like you shouldn't post entire desktop resolution screenshots, cut out *just* the needed content.  That way massive images aren't being uploaded/served for no r
2012-10-09 11:35:16 Garbee: eason.
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2012-10-09 11:36:41 znowi: is it a standard spacing diagram used in design? http://www1.webplatform.org/logo/proportions.png
2012-10-09 11:37:31 chrismills: Garbee - I think you can, yes. I'll add something about that somewhere.
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2012-10-09 11:38:34 sz0ka: Okay I'd like to write a tutorial about the JSON
2012-10-09 11:38:43 sz0ka: is this necessary?
2012-10-09 11:38:50 sz0ka: or just overhead?
2012-10-09 11:39:03 Grephix: 'the' JSON? :>
2012-10-09 11:39:21 sz0ka: yeah in my definition it is the JavaScript Object Notation ;D
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2012-10-09 11:40:32 sz0ka: Grephix: or is 'the' wrong :x? I'm from germany so i thought this would fit
2012-10-09 11:40:50 volkmar_eigler: Yep but maybe its interesting to write a tut about using it to transfer data in ajax or s.th. Else
2012-10-09 11:41:12 volkmar_eigler: Me too
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2012-10-09 11:41:44 sz0ka: volkmar_eigler: yeah I wanted to explain it with an example usage of RISK APIs :)
2012-10-09 11:41:49 Grephix: I've never heard anyone use 'the' before, might just be me though.
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2012-10-09 11:41:57 chrismills: sz0ka - please do write about JSON, and let me know where it is. I can help edit it,. and link to it from a good place. I guises the Js pages would be best ;-)
2012-10-09 11:42:02 chrismills: guess*
2012-10-09 11:42:07 chrismills: thanks for your help!
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2012-10-09 11:42:52 sz0ka: chrismills: no problem, I'll start it when I finished work ;D
2012-10-09 11:43:01 chrismills: awesome!
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2012-10-09 11:45:47 volkmar_eigler: @sz0ka if you need help in some ways (idk) i can help you. I use json as dataformat between jquery and zend framework
2012-10-09 11:45:53 sz0ka: chrismills: maybe I've got some luck to take some time off from work for the next days
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2012-10-09 11:46:26 sz0ka: volkmar_eigler: this would be awesome if we do it together, maybe we should start a query to swap contact information :)?!
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2012-10-09 12:02:22 chrismills: sz0ka: cool - time off work is always useful for getting things written. Unless you have kids to spend time with, like I do ;-)
2012-10-09 12:02:44 volkmar_eigler: Back again
2012-10-09 12:04:15 Grephix: chrismills: kids?
2012-10-09 12:04:18 Grephix: Whatsthat :>
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2012-10-09 12:06:08 dwoldrich: Like how do you get kids?
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2012-10-09 12:06:20 dwoldrich: It's kindof complicated, NSFW stuff
2012-10-09 12:06:21 divya: woww so many people already!
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2012-10-09 12:06:45 sz0ka: chrismills: oh i'm twenty .. it'd be a bit early for kids :3
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2012-10-09 12:07:02 Garbee: dwoldrich, Not complicated, but this also isn't the place to explain. ;)
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2012-10-09 12:07:41 chrismills: dwoldrich, Grephix: this isn't the right channel for such education ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:08:17 chrismills: web standards are far afar to discuss on an IRC channel!
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2012-10-09 12:08:18 dwoldrich: hm, it might add some real spice to my JavaScript learning, though.  :D
2012-10-09 12:08:39 Grephix: :D
2012-10-09 12:08:40 Grephix: rofl
2012-10-09 12:08:43 chrismills: I guess you could combine the two and write an interactive sex education app ;-)
2012-10-09 12:09:03 dwoldrich: I detect a business plan!
2012-10-09 12:09:14 dwoldrich: Someone get the VC and angels on the phone
2012-10-09 12:09:19 mstalfoort: divya, it seems you have to be fast or you'll miss out on all the fun ;)
2012-10-09 12:09:32 Grephix: mstalfoort: that's what she said
2012-10-09 12:09:36 sz0ka: I'd like to sign up as an actor
2012-10-09 12:09:48 volkmar_eigler: @sz0ka: sorry my app is a crappy. U can just contact me on webplatform itself. Youll find me quickly
2012-10-09 12:10:05 divya: aha mstalfoort
2012-10-09 12:10:21 dwoldrich: sex apps are the new fart apps?  web 3.0 stuff??
2012-10-09 12:10:34 dwoldrich: nevermind...
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2012-10-09 12:10:55 desbenoit: Wait a minute chrismills you didn't tell me it was this education you mean in web education.
2012-10-09 12:11:54 chrismills: desbenoit: yeah, sorry about that
2012-10-09 12:11:57 desbenoit: Nokia is a steward of the project. You know the "connecting people" stuff.
2012-10-09 12:12:09 desbenoit: :)
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2012-10-09 12:12:53 chrismills: Hey divya - how are things? Thanks for the great footage in the video ;-)
2012-10-09 12:13:12 divya: ha np chrismills good thing i missed the hoo haa on the plane
2012-10-09 12:13:47 chrismills: divya hoo haa? ;-)
2012-10-09 12:15:25 divya: internet seems to be all agog about it :)
2012-10-09 12:15:27 divya: good thing too.
2012-10-09 12:15:35 divya: but would be very distracting :))
2012-10-09 12:15:47 divya: but i am glad it is finally alive.
2012-10-09 12:16:33 chrismills: divya yeah, it's cool to get it out there … get the community to help out, rather than us just sitting on it for another 6 months
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2012-10-09 12:17:29 chrismills: divya but it is terrible for productivity. In the last 24 hours my job role has changed from web evangelist and tech writer … to forum admin ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:18:13 divya: ahaha chrismills
2012-10-09 12:18:19 divya: yeah
2012-10-09 12:18:25 divya: i think it was high time
2012-10-09 12:19:27 chrismills: divya I think it better reflects my station in life ;-)
2012-10-09 12:19:45 divya: wattttttttt :PPPP
2012-10-09 12:21:11 Garbee: chrismills, Some seem to not even think that is a proper forum...
2012-10-09 12:21:22 Garbee: I personally don't mind.  It gets the job it needs to done.
2012-10-09 12:22:21 chrismills: Garbee web geeks will always err on the side of pedantry when they get the chance ;-)
2012-10-09 12:22:29 Munter: People can never agree what a forum is anyway. Don't mind them.
2012-10-09 12:23:22 Garbee: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantry   ---For anyone else who may need it.
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2012-10-09 12:26:52 chrismills: Garbee - that's a bit of a mild definition ;-) Generally, pedantry is used to describe when people are obsessive about being as strictly correct about definitions and other information, to the point of irritation of others around them.
2012-10-09 12:27:30 Garbee: chrismills, Ah.  You should be writing the dictionary then. ;)  that makes much more sense.
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2012-10-09 12:28:56 chrismills: maybe ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:30:19 desbenoit: Garbee Chrismills a simple definition of pedantry? Being french :)
2012-10-09 12:30:40 desbenoit: (I'm french for those who ask)
2012-10-09 12:31:13 chrismills: desbenoit: yeah, those French web designers…you can't talk to them without being corrected ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:32:22 k1rby_^: c'est la pédanterie, le fait d'étaler son savoir
2012-10-09 12:32:28 k1rby_^: </french>
2012-10-09 12:32:46 Garbee: I'm kinda twiching myself seeing elements in the docs vs tags.   http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html#HTML_elements   unless I am wrong about element vs tag usage in which case I really need to re-assess what I read.
2012-10-09 12:32:51 tobie: chrismills: are you being pedantic about the definition of pedantry?
2012-10-09 12:32:53 desbenoit: Chrismills Yeah. You can't even add a title without having them asking 37 times for a change.
2012-10-09 12:32:54 k1rby_^: nothing more simple to explain what pedantry is in french than in french i guess ^^'
2012-10-09 12:33:29 chrismills: tobie - no, I'm being informative. Get it right ;-)
2012-10-09 12:33:33 dwoldrich: what about podiatry?
2012-10-09 12:33:42 dwoldrich: is that useful?
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2012-10-09 12:34:05 desbenoit: it's not really like that in french, it's more being like condescendent but without the caring part.
2012-10-09 12:34:21 chrismills: dwoldrich: only if you have sore feet.
2012-10-09 12:35:04 tobie: desbenoit: agree. pedantry is a false friend in french.
2012-10-09 12:35:23 karlcow: houla there is a lot to fix in that page http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html#HTML_elements
2012-10-09 12:35:50 Garbee: Yea.  I don't get why the [[CODE:]] Stuff is mis-rendering though.
2012-10-09 12:36:31 Garbee: But I don't have anymore time right now to look at it.  See everyone in a little bit.
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2012-10-09 12:36:42 mstalfoort: Garbee, shouldnt that be in <code> elms?
2012-10-09 12:37:01 divya: ahah tobie
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2012-10-09 12:38:17 sz0ka_: oh my god i hate it when my connection terminates
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2012-10-09 12:38:23 sz0ka_: .. it kills all my screens
2012-10-09 12:38:46 Munter: screen -r?
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2012-10-09 12:39:31 sz0ka_: Munter: yeah i was connected to my vm and screen -R irssi #showed me just an empty console
2012-10-09 12:39:36 dwoldrich: Are there firefox devs on here?
2012-10-09 12:39:47 tobie: Sounds like this irc channel would benefit from a bot, if only to point people asking for resources to the right irc channels
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2012-10-09 12:41:26 Munter: I guess poiting people in the right direction would fall under the mission statement of webplatform.org as well :)
2012-10-09 12:42:04 karlcow: Garbee it is full of wrong code with unescaped markup etc. :)
2012-10-09 12:42:26 karlcow: I have fixed a bit the beginning but there is obviously more to do.
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2012-10-09 12:42:47 karlcow will give it a shot to fix the markup at least. Someone else will fix the prose
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2012-10-09 12:43:24 chrismills: karlcow - are you editing the HTML page?
2012-10-09 12:43:31 karlcow: yes
2012-10-09 12:43:36 chrismills: I was just trying to fix it, and I got an edit conflict ;-)
2012-10-09 12:43:43 chrismills: I can do it if you like
2012-10-09 12:44:04 chrismills: that's another thing we need to work out - dealing with edit conflicts ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:44:14 karlcow: doing it with a bit of regex chrismills
2012-10-09 12:44:16 sz0ka_: chrismills: okay volker and I will do the JSON tutorial in collaboration ;)
2012-10-09 12:44:31 chrismills: sz0ka_:  cool, thanks guys!
2012-10-09 12:44:55 sz0ka_: No problem, just want to be part of something great and useful ;)
2012-10-09 12:45:24 chrismills: karlcow - I'll leave you to it then. It looks like someone has posted an entire semantic mediawiki form into the actual main content area of the form
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2012-10-09 12:48:49 karlcow: chrismills: the mess happened here http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=html&diff=12063&oldid=12059
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2012-10-09 12:50:22 chrismills: karlcow: ah yes ;-)
2012-10-09 12:50:36 chrismills: we are gonna get lots of this kinda stuff in the new few weeks
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2012-10-09 12:51:40 karlcow: wonder if it's a bot or a real person http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Ella
2012-10-09 12:51:52 karlcow: the document seems to be butchered a few times by this user
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2012-10-09 12:52:46 karlcow will go back to a previous version.
2012-10-09 12:52:47 sz0ka: Oh okay my screen wasn't dead
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2012-10-09 12:53:04 chrismills: karlcow: 11 years old, hrm ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:53:09 chrismills: yeah, please do
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2012-10-09 12:53:45 j3lte: I noticed a bug, don't know where to report it?
2012-10-09 12:53:46 chrismills: hello everyone. Nice of you to drop in
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2012-10-09 12:53:53 roman___: i need clients :)
2012-10-09 12:54:05 roman___: this is developer party?
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2012-10-09 12:54:23 chrismills: j3lte: report bugs at the W3C bug tracker - http://w3.org/bugs
2012-10-09 12:54:41 j3lte: tnx
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2012-10-09 12:54:51 j3lte: I noticed the link in the header indeed
2012-10-09 12:55:01 chrismills: j3lte: see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs for more info, if you need it.
2012-10-09 12:55:04 j3lte: looks like code is not parsed right on the pages
2012-10-09 12:55:13 j3lte: [[CODE: ---- ]]
2012-10-09 12:55:16 chrismills: on some pages anyway
2012-10-09 12:55:27 chrismills: a few pages have been screwed up by people already ;-)
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2012-10-09 12:55:50 j3lte: lol
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2012-10-09 12:56:35 j3lte: I just dropped in from my Google Reader so I didn't read the freakin manual ;-)
2012-10-09 12:56:42 j3lte: I wil RTFM
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2012-10-09 12:57:35 zilichen: haha,so many people
2012-10-09 12:57:47 karlcow: chrismills: ok http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html
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2012-10-09 12:57:55 karlcow: let's restart clean from here
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2012-10-09 12:58:13 cLx: Hello :)
2012-10-09 12:58:17 Guest60313: hi
2012-10-09 12:58:23 chrismills: karlcow: that's way better
2012-10-09 12:58:25 chrismills: thanks!
2012-10-09 12:58:25 chrismills: ]
2012-10-09 12:58:38 chrismills: cLx: hi there
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2012-10-09 12:58:53 zilichen: this is what i wonder
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2012-10-09 12:59:25 cLx: I Have to say this website is very good .I have to say Thanks !!!
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2012-10-09 12:59:31 chrismills: j3lte: yes, we have people checking it regularly, but we are still trying to work out the best way to do things, WRT admin
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2012-10-09 13:00:19 j3lte: I'll get involved, it's a great platform
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2012-10-09 13:00:41 chrismills: yeah, me too.
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2012-10-09 13:01:18 karlcow: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ella
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2012-10-09 13:02:18 karlcow: chrismills: yes seems a user to ban and/or remove the account http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Contents&action=history
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2012-10-09 13:04:51 volkmar_eigler: Wow there is a big bug in the forum. I just posted an answer and the result looked like wikisysop wrote my comment
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2012-10-09 13:05:13 thick: :)
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2012-10-09 13:06:03 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: argh, that is nasty
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2012-10-09 13:06:21 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: I will file a bug for you
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2012-10-09 13:06:34 eternicode: yeah, WikiSysop has been popping up everywhere ever since launch.
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2012-10-09 13:09:45 karlcow: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
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2012-10-09 13:14:33 agm114k2a: Hey all, new here, just perusing the freenode topics and this interested me
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2012-10-09 13:15:30 Garbee: It works.
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2012-10-09 13:17:08 shepazu: good morning, #webplatform
2012-10-09 13:17:10 prastha: hi
2012-10-09 13:17:14 agm114k2a: hey
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2012-10-09 13:18:03 josie: Mooorning. (:
2012-10-09 13:18:03 prastha: news site mentioned apple with the others, no logo?
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2012-10-09 13:19:01 Garbee: Is there a Roadmap of things to be done before the site comes out of Alpha?  Or is it a "whenever we feel it is ready" kind of thing?
2012-10-09 13:19:16 chrismills: agm114k2a: hey there! This is all about webplatform.org, the new W3C developer documentation site
2012-10-09 13:19:43 chrismills: shepazu: morning Doug ;-)
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2012-10-09 13:19:57 shepazu: prastha: Apple chose not to have their logo on the footer, nothing political
2012-10-09 13:20:08 chrismills: agm114k2a: if you are interested in web development, we've got  a lot for you to see ;-)
2012-10-09 13:20:25 shepazu: Garbee: the roadmap is largely captured in the bugtracker for now
2012-10-09 13:20:47 karlcow: shepazu: it should be in the FAQ given the number of times you are repeating it. :p or maybe better we should have a bot which answers each someone says Apple Logo on the same line.
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2012-10-09 13:21:09 chrismills: shepazu: hope you had a good sleep man. I've spent a long day so far doing nothing but writing interviews and answering questions on here, in the forum, etc. ;-)
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2012-10-09 13:21:37 shepazu: Garbee, but beyond that, we do have features we plan on adding, and we will be documenting those
2012-10-09 13:21:40 agm114k2a: chrismills: i am, i am, and i recently read about webplatform in the news
2012-10-09 13:22:13 shepazu: chrismills: how has this been received at Opera?
2012-10-09 13:22:18 agm114k2a: I'm starting up www.newsideo.com (sorry for the plug, unintentional) and always researching something
2012-10-09 13:22:24 chrismills: cool. It's basically a coming together of W3C, Opera, Moz, MS, Goog, Apple and others, to create a killer new developer documentation site
2012-10-09 13:22:38 josie: Are you guys going to be incorporating most of the does on JavaScript from MDN? Or are you guys aiming at a different approach to the JS docs?
2012-10-09 13:22:39 chrismills: agm114k2a: and better still - it's a wiki, so the whole community can contribute
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2012-10-09 13:23:03 chrismills: shepazu: very well
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2012-10-09 13:23:36 shepazu: josie: we'll import some of the MDN JS articles, but there is room for a variety of approaches for different audiences
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2012-10-09 13:23:46 Garbee: ah, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 13:23:47 chrismills: shepazu: a few moans about how this will compete with dev.opera.com, but mostly just praise and happiness
2012-10-09 13:23:48 overra: part
2012-10-09 13:23:51 agm114k2a: I'll definitely contribute...  since it seems to be more of a documentation site, is webplatform doing anything to standardize browsers at all?  I mean, they're mostly there, sure, but I didn't know if this was a more of a push
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2012-10-09 13:24:23 josie: agm114k2a: At the very least, it'll call out browsers that aren't consistent with the standards.
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2012-10-09 13:24:44 chrismills: agm114k2a: this site will definitely document the differences where they exist. And i think it might be a cool tool to use for helping us to fix those differences ;-)
2012-10-09 13:25:17 shepazu: agm114k2a: well, one consequence of having all the docs in one place will be an increased awareness of non-interoperability, and perhaps increased public pressure to fix problems :)
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2012-10-09 13:25:42 shepazu: ok, we all gave pretty much the same answer
2012-10-09 13:25:46 josie: lol
2012-10-09 13:25:47 shepazu: :)
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2012-10-09 13:26:24 shepazu: josie, no, public opportunity for betterment
2012-10-09 13:26:28 shepazu: :P
2012-10-09 13:27:01 josie: hehe.
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2012-10-09 13:30:34 divya: hi shepazu congrats on launching webplatform.org!
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2012-10-09 13:30:44 divya: glad to know it is out finally.
2012-10-09 13:30:48 shepazu: thanks, divya!!!!
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2012-10-09 13:30:56 shepazu: big relief
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2012-10-09 13:31:04 divya: shepazu: i bet!
2012-10-09 13:31:36 BenOvermyer: Good morning, all.
2012-10-09 13:31:43 shepazu: I didn't like working in Sekkrit that long… but it's not trivial to get all these companies on board
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2012-10-09 13:32:27 DoorMouse: anybody else here?
2012-10-09 13:32:31 BenOvermyer: Yes.
2012-10-09 13:32:34 sz0ka: DoorMouse: NO!
2012-10-09 13:32:35 sz0ka: :)
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2012-10-09 13:32:47 BenOvermyer: Apple's logo is noticeably absent from the footer of the front page.
2012-10-09 13:32:58 BenOvermyer: Are they not participating?
2012-10-09 13:33:04 chrismills: DoorMouse: this is the most crowded IRC channel I've ever been in ;-)
2012-10-09 13:33:30 chrismills: BenOvermyer: they are, but have declined to have their logo, etc. listed on the site, for their own reasons
2012-10-09 13:33:43 karlcow: yet another instrance
2012-10-09 13:33:45 karlcow: instance
2012-10-09 13:33:47 BenOvermyer: Interesting.
2012-10-09 13:33:48 karlcow: :D
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2012-10-09 13:34:22 chrismills: BenOvermyer: no more comment …but you know how they are about things. It is good to have them on board at all.
2012-10-09 13:34:32 BenOvermyer: That's true enough.
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2012-10-09 13:35:06 dwoldrich: chrismills: is apple hammering away behind the scenes, controlling everything, dominating the discussion, sinister sinister?!?!
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2012-10-09 13:35:24 agm114k2a: sorry i'm back, got disc'd
2012-10-09 13:35:47 BenOvermyer: So, with the advent of WebPlatform.org, can we expect the next iteration of web browsers to have more far-reaching support for CSS3?
2012-10-09 13:36:17 chrismills: Kevin3: go to the front page, and then pretend there's an Apple logo on it. That's it ;-)
2012-10-09 13:36:17 agm114k2a: benovermyer: that's what i'm talking about
2012-10-09 13:36:47 chrismills: dwoldrich: No. At least, I hope not ;-)
2012-10-09 13:36:56 dwoldrich: conspiracy!!
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2012-10-09 13:37:25 Kevin3: chrismills, :okay:
2012-10-09 13:37:35 agm114k2a: i'd like to see where this goes
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2012-10-09 13:38:03 chrismills: BenOvermyer: I don't think this site will drive faster standards adoption, but it will server to highlight browser differences, so potentially pressure on the different vendors to stay in shape, as it were.
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2012-10-09 13:38:31 BenOvermyer: That will help, at least.
2012-10-09 13:38:36 BenOvermyer: And... I love the site design.
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2012-10-09 13:38:54 shepazu: thanks, BenOvermyer
2012-10-09 13:38:54 sz0ka: BenOvermyer: yeah the design is lovely
2012-10-09 13:39:40 Garbee: This would be a great question for a maintiner to check in on:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/502/can-i-ask-c-ruby-php-git-questions-here
2012-10-09 13:39:45 agm114k2a: I really like the design as well
2012-10-09 13:39:57 agm114k2a: I'm not so much of a designer as i'm a developer - back end stuff
2012-10-09 13:40:00 Garbee: The design is fantastic.
2012-10-09 13:40:16 Garbee: And the logo is *very* well done.
2012-10-09 13:40:22 agm114k2a: stackoverflow is a great place for answers...  how is this different?
2012-10-09 13:40:26 Garbee guesses that is Adobe too.
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2012-10-09 13:41:04 Garbee: The forum is for things relating directly to WebPlatform.org.  People seem to be pushing the boundries atm.
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2012-10-09 13:43:42 eternicode: Garbee, is that explicitly stated somewhere official?  I thought the topic of the forum was the same "hot topics" on the homepage.  Hence the early use of the "meta" tag on all the bug questions :3
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2012-10-09 13:45:21 chrismills: agm114k2a: it is up to the community to decide. With this site you've got tonnes of tutorials and reference articles, unlike stack overflow. And the forums are really for asking questions about webplatform, but if people want to use it for questions about their own work and stuff, then so be it. That is fine by us, and likely the solutionswill elicit more good documentation to add to the site
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2012-10-09 13:45:40 Garbee: eternicode, Those hot topics are relating to WebPlatform.  PHP/GIT/RUBY things are not however.  --On a personal thinking side I also think the forum might have roughly the same connotation as the chatroom.  A place to help organize WebPlatform content and get things fixed, not for general support.  That is a SO area.
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2012-10-09 13:46:15 NickyZ: Good morning folks
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2012-10-09 13:46:31 NickyZ: How is the day progressing for everyone??
2012-10-09 13:46:32 Garbee: chrismills, Ah ok.  But should PHP/Git/Ruby and things like those have a place in the WP forums as well?
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2012-10-09 13:46:59 chrismills: well, we intended this site to be mainly about client-side open standards
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2012-10-09 13:47:02 Garbee: Mine has started NickyZ.  It will be a long one though.  How about yours?
2012-10-09 13:47:05 eternicode: I agree the backend tech questions are OT :) I'm just not sure about "on topic" vs "meta" discussion over there.  Mostly meta atm, but I see a lot of ontopic emerging.
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2012-10-09 13:47:19 chrismills: Garbee: but
2012-10-09 13:47:22 open: тут слышится русская речь
2012-10-09 13:47:25 NickyZ: Garbee: As has mine.  I am trying to decide on what I want to get done today
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2012-10-09 13:47:39 chrismills: if there is a demand, then we can consider expanding our remit
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2012-10-09 13:48:33 NickyZ: Here is a question for all the IRC experts.  Garbee used my name in the chat and as such his name highlighted on my client.  Is there a special command to do that?
2012-10-09 13:48:45 Garbee: chrismills, Yea.  I had responded to a comment in the forum and tried to get that across.  Someone thought it should expand *just* to compete with w3schools.
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2012-10-09 13:49:09 Garbee: NickyZ, Nope, just saying someones name alerts them in almost all clients.
2012-10-09 13:49:10 chrismills: NickyZ - you just use the name of the person you want to aim a comment to
2012-10-09 13:49:10 eternicode: NickyZ, nope, highlighting is a feature of your client.  There should be settings to control it.
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2012-10-09 13:49:21 Garbee: haha, 3 at once.  Perfect.
2012-10-09 13:49:25 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-09 13:49:26 NickyZ: Awesome
2012-10-09 13:49:30 NickyZ: that was cool
2012-10-09 13:49:35 NickyZ: :)
2012-10-09 13:49:47 Garbee: NickyZ, Another tip, most clients also have tab autocomplete on names. ;)
2012-10-09 13:49:52 eternicode: ^ +
2012-10-09 13:50:04 chrismills: Garbee well, that is an unofficial aim of the project, but we wouldn't be as childish as that … would we?
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2012-10-09 13:50:48 Garbee: chrismills, Give me a sec, delivery guy just showed up.
2012-10-09 13:50:51 eternicode: The argument that mentioned "competeing with w3schools" was that they include some docs on PHP etc, so we should include documentation on backend stuff, too.
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2012-10-09 13:51:38 eternicode: but I see crossing the line from frontend to backend taking us down a long, long (possibly dark) path.
2012-10-09 13:52:09 chrismills: eternicode: yeah, that is a bit silly. The site's direction is formed purely on a pragmatic basis
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2012-10-09 13:52:16 shepazu: eternicode: we're not competing with W3Schools, we're just making our site the best we can
2012-10-09 13:52:36 Garbee: Yea, I see too many extra things personally going to backend stuff right now.  We should focus on what it is set up for now and worry about expanding into those roads later on.
2012-10-09 13:52:38 eternicode: shepazu, understood, but that was the topic of an answer ;)
2012-10-09 13:52:51 chrismills: Although you are right - to try to document all backend stuff would take us down a dark path - it would probably be unmaintainable, and dilute the quality of the site.
2012-10-09 13:53:02 NickyZ: shepazu: You must have that line on cmd+v
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2012-10-09 13:53:29 Garbee: chrismills, Not to mention it is *constantly* changeing in so many ways.  Very hard to keep up.
2012-10-09 13:53:38 shepazu: I could see a few articles on backend stuff, basic intros, that then point to external sites with more complete info
2012-10-09 13:53:41 chrismills: Garbee: yup
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2012-10-09 13:54:14 chrismills: shepazu: I think that would make sense
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2012-10-09 13:54:35 chrismills: along with a decent explanation of why we are not trying to cover the server-side compreheisively
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2012-10-09 13:54:45 andrewjbaker: Keeping that sort of info. up-to-date is difficult, re: PHP, etc.
2012-10-09 13:54:48 eternicode: YAPT.  Yet Another PHP Tutorial.
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2012-10-09 13:55:13 chrismills: YARP - yet another patchy resource ;-)
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2012-10-09 13:55:44 kornekeN: hi all
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2012-10-09 13:56:48 shepazu: hi, kornekeN, atalloscloud
2012-10-09 13:57:07 grined: what is the purpose of this site?
2012-10-09 13:57:52 kornekeN: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-09 13:57:56 kornekeN: this
2012-10-09 13:58:00 shepazu: chrismills: yes, maybe a whole subsection on server-side technologies, with short subpages on PHP, Ruby, Python, SSJS, etc
2012-10-09 13:58:05 atalloscloud: why do your name is red?
2012-10-09 13:58:15 Garbee: chrismills, I simply thinkg for the most part server-side is too complex and requires too much caretaking. Plus, every language has people who know 10 different ways of doing something and each of those 10 ways has their own benefits.  How do you teach that on a site like WP?
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2012-10-09 13:58:27 kornekeN: webplatform is meant to be ultimate reference for web technologies
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2012-10-09 13:58:36 chrismills: shepazu: I'll file a bug for it, so we don't forget
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2012-10-09 13:58:45 shepazu: chrismills, good man
2012-10-09 13:58:45 NickyZ: kornekeN: I am not sure that is true.
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2012-10-09 13:59:14 NickyZ: kornekeN: that would be impossible. To many technologies that change to quickly.
2012-10-09 13:59:31 chrismills: Garbee yeah, you are right. Which is why I think shepazu's idea about limiting it to quick intros is best
2012-10-09 13:59:38 chrismills: I don't think we can ignore it completely
2012-10-09 13:59:41 Forgesource: How are your?
2012-10-09 13:59:45 Forgesource: ^^
2012-10-09 13:59:50 mstalfoort: ..and for the php e.g. link to http://www.phptherightway.com, shepazu ?
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2012-10-09 14:00:22 chrismills: NickyZ, kornekeN, atalloscloud - that is the purpose of this site. But we are aiming to keep the scope to client-side technologies.
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2012-10-09 14:00:36 chrismills: To keep it more manageable
2012-10-09 14:00:58 Garbee: chrismills, Yea, quick intro's with links to known good resources to learn more.
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2012-10-09 14:01:06 mstalfoort is not affiliated to that site
2012-10-09 14:01:16 chrismills: Since the site is being maintained and resourced by 9 or 10 of the biggest companies on the web, we should be able to manage this. Especially with the community's help!
2012-10-09 14:01:30 shepazu: mstalfoort: no opinion… when I've had to use PHP, I used php.net as a reference
2012-10-09 14:01:37 NickyZ: chrismills: indeed. ultimate reference for client-side web technologies. that extra adjective does a lot for the meaning.
2012-10-09 14:01:46 kornekeN: yes, my fault
2012-10-09 14:01:57 karlcow: server side which goes after the HTTP layer is not really part of the Web anymore, because indeed there are zillions of issues and articles possible.
2012-10-09 14:02:07 chrismills: kornekeN: no problem - thanks for helping out!
2012-10-09 14:02:09 NickyZ: shepazu: what do you mainly code?  only front end?
2012-10-09 14:02:12 mstalfoort: shepazu, true that, same here... was just thinking about this one
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2012-10-09 14:02:31 Garbee: chrismills, If we can't pull this off then everyone involved including every community member who touches it fails at being human.
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2012-10-09 14:03:24 chrismills: Garbee: well, being apathetic is a large facet of human nature, and I think that is what might cause is to fail ;-)
2012-10-09 14:03:24 kornekeN: chrismills: will webplatform.org also server as reference to UX?
2012-10-09 14:03:27 shepazu: NickyZ: yes, I'm mostly a front-end coder, but these days, I get to do precious little of that… I mostly do standards and manage-y type stuff nowadays… I was glad to get to code for webplatform.org :D
2012-10-09 14:04:02 shepazu: kornekeN: yes, we'd like to cover design and UX issues, too
2012-10-09 14:04:06 Garbee: I would like to see some UX stuff get added personally.  There are lots of handy things around the web for it.
2012-10-09 14:04:08 NickyZ: shepazu: Then where do you work.  I know you as shepazu and no one else? are you a real person ;)
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2012-10-09 14:04:29 Garbee: shepazu is just a bot.  A python script from the beginning of time.
2012-10-09 14:04:30 shepazu: no, I am a collective of autonomous bees
2012-10-09 14:04:46 NickyZ: shepazu, Garbee!
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2012-10-09 14:05:18 chrismills: kornekeN: We've already got the seeds of that material on the site http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts#Designing_the_web
2012-10-09 14:05:22 NickyZ: Why python?
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2012-10-09 14:05:35 chrismills: so yes
2012-10-09 14:05:37 sz0ka: NickyZ: 'cuz python rocks.
2012-10-09 14:05:38 shepazu: NickyZ: I work for W3C :)
2012-10-09 14:05:42 inkvizitor68sl: part
2012-10-09 14:05:47 Garbee: NickyZ, Because that is what Google runs on so I just picked it.
2012-10-09 14:05:54 chrismills: Please help add material, if you have time ;-)
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2012-10-09 14:06:04 NickyZ: Great reasons... totally logical.
2012-10-09 14:06:06 Garbee: Google === Python.  Pretty much sums it all up.
2012-10-09 14:06:06 NickyZ: :)
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2012-10-09 14:06:18 chrismills: NickyZ I've met shepazu - he is real, I can vouch for that
2012-10-09 14:06:29 Garbee: chrismills, Just some autonomous bees?
2012-10-09 14:06:30 sz0ka: NickyZ: python is easy, fast, platform independant, rocks, simple in syntax
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2012-10-09 14:06:47 Sandkorn: heard the same about JAVA once..
2012-10-09 14:06:52 Sandkorn: *shivers*
2012-10-09 14:06:52 Garbee: Wow.  I feel like an idiot for never even doing Hello World in Python now.
2012-10-09 14:06:53 NickyZ: I love python
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2012-10-09 14:07:04 NickyZ: I don't use it much
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2012-10-09 14:07:17 sz0ka: i love python 2 :> <3
2012-10-09 14:07:25 chrismills: I would love to get to grips with server-side stuff. I do HTML/CSS/JS/a11y/usability
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2012-10-09 14:07:30 NickyZ: and IDLE seems to be the only decent editor (I am not a VIM guy)
2012-10-09 14:07:32 Garbee: I have never felt the need to ever use it, so I just haven't wasted my time touching it.
2012-10-09 14:07:34 annazlatka: hi webplatform !!!
2012-10-09 14:07:34 chrismills: but I am clueless on server-side
2012-10-09 14:07:41 chrismills: annazlatka: hi ;-)
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2012-10-09 14:08:07 Garbee: I do a little bit of PHP/MySQL stuff, but it is all through frameworks or CMS's.
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2012-10-09 14:08:19 farant: hey
2012-10-09 14:08:27 chrismills: farant: hi!
2012-10-09 14:08:28 Garbee: I love testing CMSs.  Trying to get to grips with frameworks.
2012-10-09 14:08:37 NickyZ: ohhh good ol' PHP
2012-10-09 14:09:01 NickyZ: Garbee: CodeIgniter is my go to for quick prototyping.
2012-10-09 14:09:14 sz0ka: NickyZ: try emacs.. works for python xD
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2012-10-09 14:09:18 NickyZ: Quick, efficient, lightweight.
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2012-10-09 14:09:32 NickyZ: sz0ka: people still use emacs?
2012-10-09 14:09:33 Garbee: Yea, laravel is what I'm trying to learn now a bit.  Kinda funky setup.
2012-10-09 14:09:56 Garbee: I do like PyroCMS (built on CodeIgniter) and is what I'm setting up for my blog now (or trying to setup.)
2012-10-09 14:10:23 NickyZ: PyroCMS is alright.  Phil has been working on that for some time now.
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2012-10-09 14:10:49 Garbee: I may just break down and use Wordpress.  I don't need to do anything special to get code to display right in the frontend.
2012-10-09 14:10:51 NickyZ: It is a shame Expression Engine is so expensive...
2012-10-09 14:11:01 maksimr: "JOIN #webplatform"
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2012-10-09 14:11:48 Garbee: Personally, I love LemonStand ( http://lemonstand.com ) it is built to be an ecommerce system but they have one fantastic setup for themes.  It is expensive at $300 and the blog module built in isn't quite as handy as a dedicated CMS for them.
2012-10-09 14:11:55 NickyZ: I have typed about 3 lines on this email since I got to work.  I need to get to it.  Have a great day everyone don't get into trouble.
2012-10-09 14:12:02 Garbee: Free dev license to LS though.
2012-10-09 14:12:09 chrismills: NickyZ - enjoy!
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2012-10-09 14:12:19 Garbee: See ya NickyZ.
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2012-10-09 14:13:28 mstalfoort: there should be some warning on the site,  "if you enter this journey, it will take over you time ;)"
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2012-10-09 14:13:56 sz0ka: NickyZ: yep .. emacs is pretty cool..I do scheme and lisp in my spare time.. and emacs is the best editor for this.. but for python I like vim xD
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2012-10-09 14:18:31 sowingsadness1: sz0ka I think emacs is a masochism. Tool must be a simple, powerfull and easy to learn for effective development.
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2012-10-09 14:19:51 sz0ka: sowingsadness1: yeah thats your opinion :)
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2012-10-09 14:20:10 sz0ka: cu volkmar_eigler ;)
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2012-10-09 14:20:31 sowingsadness1: No one of text editors such as vim, emacs, sublime text not enough smart for understand JS at least. All of them cant hit right simple "new function".
2012-10-09 14:21:07 blondetest: than use netbeans goddamn
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2012-10-09 14:21:51 Soarez: I used VS for the last 2 months for a win8 app. It does not understand JS
2012-10-09 14:22:15 sowingsadness1: NetBeans don't understand "function () {this['field'] = 5;}" - i is a  awfully
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2012-10-09 14:22:46 sowingsadness1: Soarez hmm, please give me a sample of code
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2012-10-09 14:22:48 sz0ka: sowingsadness1: just 'cuz I'm a smartass: Dude Emacs and VIM aren't IDEs.. They are just simple text editors.. you can expand their functionality by plugins.. Write your own plugin for this kind of work ;)
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2012-10-09 14:23:30 blondetest: there is a package for JS ;)
2012-10-09 14:23:30 sowingsadness1: sz0ka ok. i go write plugin. my work will be wait me -))
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2012-10-09 14:24:06 sz0ka: sowingsadness1: sorry I haven't understand your sentence :/ meh is from Germany...
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2012-10-09 14:24:50 blondetest: @sz0ka was gibt es da nicht zu verstehen?
2012-10-09 14:24:54 Garbee: sz0ka, I think he/she is trying to get the point across that things should just work and they shouldn't need to waste their time writing a plugin when they have work to do.
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2012-10-09 14:25:05 sz0ka: Garbee: okay
2012-10-09 14:25:10 sowingsadness1: Garbee + thx
2012-10-09 14:25:28 sz0ka: blondetest: Ich hab nicht verstanden was er mit 'my work will be wait me' meinte..
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2012-10-09 14:25:39 sz0ka: Garbee: thank you ^^
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2012-10-09 14:26:11 blondetest: eben, dass er die Zeit nicht verschwenden will, den editor noch richtig anzupassen, selber was dafür schreiben :P
2012-10-09 14:26:15 sz0ka: sowingsadness1: okay but I like doing this kind of stuff in my spare time
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2012-10-09 14:26:39 sz0ka: blondetest: seems, that someone hasn't got the idea of opensource :P just kidding
2012-10-09 14:26:41 Garbee: I just use Sublime because it is simple and works for me and is cross-platform and that is worth supporting.
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2012-10-09 14:26:46 robot12345: hello, world
2012-10-09 14:26:57 blondetest: hello, bot
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2012-10-09 14:27:00 Garbee: but I don't do too much JS like you all probably do.
2012-10-09 14:27:28 dpineda: hello, all
2012-10-09 14:27:28 blondetest: people, I tell you: JS is the same thing C+ was decades ago
2012-10-09 14:27:32 jn: webplatform.org is awesome!
2012-10-09 14:27:33 jn: love it
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2012-10-09 14:28:10 chrismills: thanks ;-)
2012-10-09 14:28:10 jkomoros: jn: Glad to hear it!
2012-10-09 14:28:11 dsfsdfsd: kak delaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2012-10-09 14:28:18 dsfsdfsd: russia
2012-10-09 14:28:19 blondetest: have you noticed there is no apple logo on the new @WebPlatform site? #apple http://d.pr/i/KSxV
2012-10-09 14:28:22 znowi: sublime text 2 is awesome. i've been using it since the early beta.
2012-10-09 14:28:24 _58: brazil
2012-10-09 14:28:24 Garbee: blondetest, JS is just a pita for me personally.  I do not like writing it.  I never wrote C or any varients so I can't speak to that language.
2012-10-09 14:28:28 dsfsdfsd: amerika soset!
2012-10-09 14:28:45 sowingsadness1: dsfsdfsd ðåáåíîê - óéäè, à òî çàáàíÿò
2012-10-09 14:29:00 warp: part
2012-10-09 14:29:14 blondetest: uspokoysja
2012-10-09 14:29:20 blondetest: ne spam' tut
2012-10-09 14:29:24 blondetest: idi habr pochitaj
2012-10-09 14:29:42 sowingsadness1: :)
2012-10-09 14:30:13 blondetest: http://habrahabr.ru/post/154101/
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2012-10-09 14:41:05 blondetest: @znowi nice :D
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2012-10-09 14:41:52 Jakobud: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/929/should-webplatform-org-have-its-own-jsfiddle-type-of-tool
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2012-10-09 14:44:23 chrismills: Jakobud: answered ;-)
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2012-10-09 14:44:49 Ozik: hi!
2012-10-09 14:44:49 zorro911: hawaii
2012-10-09 14:44:53 Jakobud: rock on
2012-10-09 14:45:08 zorro911: jack label
2012-10-09 14:45:26 weller: hii
2012-10-09 14:45:36 weller: where r u from?
2012-10-09 14:45:45 mstalfoort: Jakobud, chrismills  i would create a gist, but dabblet by lea is also full of awesomeness
2012-10-09 14:45:55 zorro911: rus
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2012-10-09 14:46:37 zorro911: who knows patterns in java?
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2012-10-09 14:46:46 chrismills: mstalfoort: yeah, gist is another good idea. We could perhaps use gists for examples we want to be more indepth and persistent
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2012-10-09 14:47:20 chrismills: whereas dabblets are great for immediate experimentation
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2012-10-09 14:47:40 chrismills: mattgifford: mr gifford - hello there ;-)
2012-10-09 14:47:41 Jakobud: the only problem with gists is that you can't see the code in action.  It's just a code paste.
2012-10-09 14:47:49 chrismills: yup, fer sure
2012-10-09 14:48:21 mattgifford: chrismills: Good morning
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2012-10-09 14:48:55 Ruuf: hellow Habr!!
2012-10-09 14:49:01 Ruuf: hello*
2012-10-09 14:49:04 blondetest: privet habree
2012-10-09 14:49:10 Ruuf: :( i'm stupid
2012-10-09 14:49:14 blondetest: hallo zusammen
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2012-10-09 14:50:57 Ozik: hello habr who is russian?
2012-10-09 14:51:03 blondetest: da vse tut
2012-10-09 14:51:38 sz0ka: chrismills: okay our table of contents is nearly completed and I've got a question.. how should we implement code examples? should we write the Tutorial in HTML?
2012-10-09 14:51:46 Ruuf: Habr!
2012-10-09 14:51:49 Ruuf: :D
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2012-10-09 14:52:03 blondetest: habr - sila!
2012-10-09 14:52:09 Ozik: Yeah
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2012-10-09 14:52:15 Ozik: Сила сила)
2012-10-09 14:52:48 Ruuf: интересно как англоговорящие воспринимают все это))
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2012-10-09 14:53:11 blondetest: banom
2012-10-09 14:53:12 chrismills: sz0ka: to put it on the site, you'll need it to be in media wiki markup
2012-10-09 14:53:15 blondetest: kak esho ;=D
2012-10-09 14:53:18 Ralt: loktar ping :D
2012-10-09 14:53:26 chrismills: sz0ka: but I'd write it in whatever format is easier for you
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2012-10-09 14:53:47 chrismills: sz0ka: HTML is fine. We can always use a converter tool
2012-10-09 14:53:54 Ozik: А че никто на русском не пишет?)) или единственный лишний?)
2012-10-09 14:53:57 loktar: hey Ralt  :P
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2012-10-09 14:54:07 blondetest: ban tebe datut
2012-10-09 14:54:11 blondetest: pishe na latinize
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2012-10-09 14:54:20 Ozik: sorry!
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2012-10-09 14:54:26 Kami: oO
2012-10-09 14:54:30 kyr0: hi
2012-10-09 14:54:37 Kami: Hello
2012-10-09 14:54:40 Kami: World
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2012-10-09 14:55:05 Kami: Здесь русских нет? =`(
2012-10-09 14:55:16 Alex__: hi
2012-10-09 14:55:17 blondetest: ...
2012-10-09 14:55:21 Alex__: anyone here
2012-10-09 14:55:23 blondetest: 50% ru tut
2012-10-09 14:55:28 Kami: :D
2012-10-09 14:55:31 Kami: А ну ок
2012-10-09 14:55:38 blondetest: habr i vse takoe
2012-10-09 14:55:41 Kami: Я сюда с хабра вообще перешел оО
2012-10-09 14:55:45 Ruuf: <whisper>habr there</whisper>
2012-10-09 14:55:51 Alex__: english
2012-10-09 14:55:53 blondetest: habr everythere
2012-10-09 14:56:01 sz0ka: chrismills: or you tell us where we could get the markup notation :D
2012-10-09 14:56:14 sz0ka: so we could do it directly in the media wiki
2012-10-09 14:56:15 sz0ka: markum
2012-10-09 14:56:20 sz0ka: *markup foo
2012-10-09 14:56:31 sz0ka: oh let me guess, using google should do it, righty?
2012-10-09 14:56:36 sz0ka: :D
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2012-10-09 14:56:54 Garbee: sz0ka, It is mediawiki syntax.
2012-10-09 14:56:58 Kami: Всем удачки
2012-10-09 14:56:59 chrismills: sz0ka: you can find references to help you at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#References
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2012-10-09 14:57:07 sz0ka: perfectly, thank you
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2012-10-09 14:57:32 _23: say qwer
2012-10-09 14:57:34 Garbee: Yea, now to figure out why certain code blocks are mis-rendering.
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2012-10-09 14:57:42 jkomoros: Garbee: Do you have an example?
2012-10-09 14:57:45 jkomoros: I can help diagnose
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2012-10-09 14:57:52 panaggio: whenever I post an answer on Forums I'm logged out. Anyone working on this?
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2012-10-09 14:58:20 jkomoros: panaggio: Check if there's a bug filed (the bugzilla link is in the header of the chat room)
2012-10-09 14:58:21 petionet: hello everyone!
2012-10-09 14:58:22 chrismills: Garbee - want me to help?
2012-10-09 14:58:24 Garbee: jkomoros, Yea, let me go grab it.
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2012-10-09 14:58:35 chrismills: ah, alex is on it
2012-10-09 14:58:36 kyr0: I tought about writing a free JavaScript book (after writing a book for O'Reilly) but now I found webplatform.org and it seems to be a great place to work/write for. Is extending the JavaScript section welcome? How will translation be done? (I would like to translate it to german..)
2012-10-09 14:58:44 agon_: ??
2012-10-09 14:58:45 blondetest: tell me
2012-10-09 14:58:50 blondetest: why apple is linked as
2012-10-09 14:58:51 blondetest: http://www1.webplatform.org/stewards/#
2012-10-09 14:58:51 jkomoros: kyr0: We'd love help extending the JS setction
2012-10-09 14:58:52 Garbee: Oh,  looks like it has already been changed.
2012-10-09 14:59:19 chrismills: kyr0: wow, thanks for the offer - sounds wonderful ;-)
2012-10-09 14:59:24 blondetest: have you noticed there is no apple logo on the new @WebPlatform site? #apple http://d.pr/i/KSxV
2012-10-09 14:59:25 Ruuf: kyr0, how about russian?
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2012-10-09 15:00:38 kyr0: chrismills: nice, so I could prepare the german texts and publish them directly when the i18n support goes live
2012-10-09 15:00:45 Garbee: chrismills and jkomoros,  someone has already fixed the broken snippets.  I actually think it was imported content that didn't have the proper markup for MediaWiki.
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2012-10-09 15:01:02 chrismills: kyr0: yes, for sure
2012-10-09 15:01:12 petionet: Apple and common standarts? Is that true? maybe I am dreaming
2012-10-09 15:01:13 jkomoros: Garbee: Sounds good.
2012-10-09 15:01:17 chrismills: Garbee - was it on the HMTL landing page?
2012-10-09 15:01:20 chrismills: HTML*
2012-10-09 15:01:31 Garbee: Yea, it was [[CODE: $code here ]] syntax which I don't think is MediaWiki.
2012-10-09 15:01:36 shinaku_: Apple use lots of common standards.
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2012-10-09 15:02:04 Garbee: chrismills, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/the_basics_of_html#The_structure_of_an_HTML_document  --The first code block here.
2012-10-09 15:02:09 Garbee: Was one of them.
2012-10-09 15:02:10 chrismills: Garbee: I think it was some bot doing a crappy import of incompatible syntax fmor somewhere else
2012-10-09 15:02:24 Garbee: Exactly.  From the screenshot it looks like Opera's stuff.
2012-10-09 15:02:26 Ralt: petionet maybe you don't know, but Apple promotes html5 since quite a while (and guess what, html5 is a standard)
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2012-10-09 15:02:43 chrismills: Garbee: yup -  it is! I put it there ;-)
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2012-10-09 15:02:48 Garbee: HTML5 is a standard?  I thought it was just HTML now.
2012-10-09 15:02:59 v_54e3: what is this
2012-10-09 15:03:03 Garbee: Seriously, I'm dropping this 5 crap, it really means nothing anymore.
2012-10-09 15:03:07 Garbee: ^^ nothing to me.
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2012-10-09 15:03:19 chrismills: it is just HTML really kids ;-)
2012-10-09 15:03:26 shinaku_: Why? Not all browsers support it, surely it's good to have the differentiation?
2012-10-09 15:03:27 Garbee: chrismills, I blame *YOU* for crappy import then
2012-10-09 15:03:31 petionet: i don't believe Apple is going to help web developers...
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2012-10-09 15:03:47 loktar: they alreqady have helped me
2012-10-09 15:03:51 shinaku_: petionet: they helped make webkit
2012-10-09 15:03:52 loktar: by promoting canvas.
2012-10-09 15:03:53 chrismills: Garbee: *holds hands up* ;-) Nah, it was someone else messing with the page after I put it there
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2012-10-09 15:03:55 shinaku_: that was a big help to developers
2012-10-09 15:03:58 jkomoros: chrismills: I just looked into https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19382
2012-10-09 15:04:09 Garbee: Apple has already helped the world by using webkit over an older trident engine.  Let's rejoice!
2012-10-09 15:04:15 jkomoros: Turns out someone had checked the "Compatibility tables not required" checkbox, which suppresses printing of the table
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2012-10-09 15:04:27 chrismills: jkomoros: ah.
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2012-10-09 15:04:48 loktar: if anyone hasn't helped web development.. or been a hinderince I imagine we can agree its MS.
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2012-10-09 15:04:55 loktar: not Apple.
2012-10-09 15:05:05 Garbee: loktar, That is changing now thankfully.
2012-10-09 15:05:14 loktar: yeah IE10 seems a lot better
2012-10-09 15:05:18 Zurna: Hello I Want To Real Estate Help!
2012-10-09 15:05:19 Garbee: MS is now a huge supporter of standards.
2012-10-09 15:05:29 Garbee: loktar, Not seems... IS.
2012-10-09 15:05:33 elhoyos: Read error: Connection reset by peer
2012-10-09 15:05:37 Garbee: It really does just work.
2012-10-09 15:05:41 Ralt: Garbee : heh, it's almost 2 years since the 5 is dropped, but nobody understands what we mean if we just say that
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2012-10-09 15:05:58 Ralt: Garbee : btw, is that you? http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdale_Garbee
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2012-10-09 15:06:01 Garbee: Ralt, I know.  I'm starting to drop it since it really doesn't mean anything anymore.
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2012-10-09 15:06:05 Garbee: No, I'm not bdale.
2012-10-09 15:06:10 Garbee: I'm Jonathan.
2012-10-09 15:06:19 Garbee: Also, no known relation.
2012-10-09 15:06:34 Ralt: Okay. :-)
2012-10-09 15:06:37 Ralt: just curious.
2012-10-09 15:06:56 Zurna: Speaking Turkish
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2012-10-09 15:07:38 Garbee: Zurna, I'm lost.
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2012-10-09 15:07:48 Garbee: Real Estate?  Was that serious or a joke?
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2012-10-09 15:09:36 allouda: what is the best CMS ?? :(
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2012-10-09 15:09:45 Ralt: *bomb explodes*
2012-10-09 15:09:50 Ralt: thanks you, allouda
2012-10-09 15:09:56 Zurna: Garbee,No, I'm serious. I want to make a real estate website or a resource can you help?
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2012-10-09 15:10:19 loktar: Zurna: ... you might be in the wrong channel
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2012-10-09 15:10:25 Garbee: Zurna, You should look into #html5 or #css.
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2012-10-09 15:10:35 Garbee: To be honest, I don't think they will be of much help either.
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2012-10-09 15:10:49 Garbee: That is really up to you getting a good design and then needing to build it from there.
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2012-10-09 15:11:17 Garbee: This room is for WebPlatform.org related talk and apparently those of us that just like to goof off about nothing.
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2012-10-09 15:11:32 loktar: realestate sites suck
2012-10-09 15:11:34 Ralt: Zurna : you're looking for odesk or such.
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2012-10-09 15:11:40 Garbee: But that kind of chat is pretty off-topic.
2012-10-09 15:11:40 loktar: especially when integrating into the MLS
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2012-10-09 15:11:47 loktar JUST finished a realestate site last night
2012-10-09 15:11:49 Ralt: MLS?
2012-10-09 15:11:59 loktar: its the central US database for all houses being sold
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2012-10-09 15:12:07 loktar: each region has their own connection to it
2012-10-09 15:12:11 Ralt: oh there is this kind of stuff, cool
2012-10-09 15:12:11 loktar: the api is terrible
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2012-10-09 15:12:16 loktar: and the data is so crazy..
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2012-10-09 15:12:19 Ralt: well at least it exists
2012-10-09 15:12:21 loktar: yea
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2012-10-09 15:12:29 Ralt: there's none of this in France
2012-10-09 15:12:30 loktar: you also have to pay monthly for access
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2012-10-09 15:12:37 loktar: and be approved
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2012-10-09 15:12:38 loktar: its pretty nutty
2012-10-09 15:12:39 ghxchxc: lllll
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2012-10-09 15:13:10 Zurna: A demo please
2012-10-09 15:13:12 Garbee: sounds like there should be a chatroom just for Real Estate website support.
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2012-10-09 15:13:21 Garbee: If it is *that* complicated.
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2012-10-09 15:13:46 loktar: Garbee: it raelly is man, its crazy
2012-10-09 15:14:02 loktar: I found a few amazing resources on github though
2012-10-09 15:14:07 loktar: any competant dev can figure it out
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2012-10-09 15:15:20 allouda: can you help me ? what is the best CMS to devlop on site marketing : security safety ....
2012-10-09 15:15:57 loktar: allouda: what have you looked at?
2012-10-09 15:16:18 loktar: I doubt youll get a "best" answer without some bias behind it, due to their being so many, and people having their favorites
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2012-10-09 15:16:49 habreffect: hi comrades
2012-10-09 15:17:06 Zurna: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 15:17:12 Garbee: You really just need to try different CMS's and find one you like.
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2012-10-09 15:17:31 Ralt: loktar : which github resources?
2012-10-09 15:17:42 _______: my name has been so corrected
2012-10-09 15:17:43 Garbee: each one does things differently so each one has its own perks.  As far as security goes, there really is no best choice since it also depends on the server config as well.
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2012-10-09 15:18:03 Garbee: _______, I think it needs a little more correction.
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2012-10-09 15:18:36 _______: Garbee: It's a shame they dont have Cyrilic support
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2012-10-09 15:19:22 Garbee: I'm fine with all UTF-8 Characters and no unicode wackyness.
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2012-10-09 15:20:26 Ed_: Co-worker pointed me towards webplatform.org
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2012-10-09 15:21:39 _______: Habrahabr anyone?
2012-10-09 15:21:42 Garbee: Ed_, pointed you here for what?
2012-10-09 15:21:43 Ed_: Not doing yourself  a service by having such a poor display of your site in IE 8
2012-10-09 15:22:16 Ed_: Garbee as a 'standards community' in our web developmet
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2012-10-09 15:22:27 Garbee: How many web designers/devs use IE8?  Can you please raise your hands?
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2012-10-09 15:22:33 josie: Ed_: Google has dropped support for IE8 and most web developers use a modern browser.
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2012-10-09 15:22:45 AlexLorenzo: hello all!
2012-10-09 15:22:54 josie: Hello, AlexLorenzo!
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2012-10-09 15:22:57 dwoldrich: IE8 held me up for *6 HOURS* last night while I fussed with IE quirks
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2012-10-09 15:23:05 Ed_: Yep but many clients, who are not techies still use it
2012-10-09 15:23:15 Asdasdasd: afasfsa
2012-10-09 15:23:15 Garbee: Ok, 'standards community', and IE (even 9) does not really support them.  IE9 does a much better job, but still not up to snuff.
2012-10-09 15:23:26 Asdasdasd: hello
2012-10-09 15:23:33 dwoldrich: I secretly relish beating IE6-8 into submission
2012-10-09 15:23:41 dwoldrich: I think it's a mental disorder
2012-10-09 15:23:46 Ed_: I can see everyone's point, but not all users are cutting edge
2012-10-09 15:23:51 dwoldrich: IE has damaged my neural networks
2012-10-09 15:23:53 Soarez: part
2012-10-09 15:24:00 Garbee: I don't think "clients" would really care to view the sites content.  They just want their site working.  It is the designer/dev's job to use webplatform.org.
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2012-10-09 15:24:26 Snicers-Work3: Hey, I would like to contribute to the web platform
2012-10-09 15:24:35 Asdasdasd: hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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2012-10-09 15:24:38 Asdasdasd: hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-10-09 15:24:41 dwoldrich: IE6-8 are very capable, check out my site:  clubcompy.com
2012-10-09 15:24:41 Asdasdasd: hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-10-09 15:24:44 Asdasdasd: hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-10-09 15:24:46 Asdasdasd: ahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-10-09 15:24:49 Asdasdasd: ahhahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2012-10-09 15:24:50 jkomoros: Asdasdasd: Please stop
2012-10-09 15:24:56 Asdasdasd: puta
2012-10-09 15:24:57 Garbee: Snicers-Work3, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-09 15:24:59 dwoldrich: It runs (albeit slowly) on IE6-8
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2012-10-09 15:25:08 Garbee: Asdasdasd, Please stop with the junk.
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2012-10-09 15:26:38 Asdasdasd: pazo putas
2012-10-09 15:26:39 thexyz: why is there no code highlighting?
2012-10-09 15:26:39 Asdasdasd: xio loook
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2012-10-09 15:26:52 Garbee: thexyz, What do you mean?
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2012-10-09 15:27:01 Garbee: Well, also where?
2012-10-09 15:27:04 thexyz: Garbee: here, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/disabled
2012-10-09 15:27:11 jkomoros: thexyz: There's an open bug for that
2012-10-09 15:27:14 jkomoros: we're working on it
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2012-10-09 15:27:23 thexyz: nice then
2012-10-09 15:27:43 Garbee: thexyz, Yea, things are still pretty early on for the site as a whole.
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2012-10-09 15:28:01 thexyz: btw, the demo that page links to is broken (it only disables after I click on button twice)
2012-10-09 15:28:10 volkmar_eigler: back again
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2012-10-09 15:28:29 dievardump: Ok, maybe the question was already ask, but... why doing a new "webplaform" when it looks a lot like the MDN? Extending the MDN or just... make it evolved into something that looks more "multi-contributors" wouldn't have do the job?
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2012-10-09 15:29:19 dievardump: (by multi contributors, I'm talking about big names you can see at the bottom of the webplatform home)
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2012-10-09 15:29:43 jkomoros: dievardump: See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-09 15:29:43 weller: hello
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2012-10-09 15:30:14 weller: duc1199 paris? :D
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2012-10-09 15:31:04 Garbee: thexyz, Yea, there is no highlighting because when you set the langauge it looks like the system is outputting it in such a way that the browser actually renders it.
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2012-10-09 15:31:43 volkmar_eigler: someone form webplatform support here ?
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2012-10-09 15:31:59 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: hey there. How can we help?
2012-10-09 15:32:28 volkmar_eigler: once again i tried to login to my webplatform account and it doesent work
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2012-10-09 15:32:45 dievardump: Thank you, jkomoros
2012-10-09 15:32:52 Garbee: volkmar_eigler, I had to login 3 times once to get through.
2012-10-09 15:33:03 Garbee: It eventually makes it.
2012-10-09 15:33:19 volkmar_eigler: @garbee did you also see ur ip at the top ?
2012-10-09 15:33:30 Garbee: volkmar_eigler, Yes for a while after I initially registered.
2012-10-09 15:33:41 Garbee: It went away this morning though at some point and was replaced with my username.
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2012-10-09 15:33:55 Garbee: The system takes a while to propigate everything it seems.
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2012-10-09 15:34:16 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: does it give you a message that it doesn't recognise your UID/pwd, or does it just time out/not come up?
2012-10-09 15:34:24 volkmar_eigler: okay how do you logout ?
2012-10-09 15:34:48 volkmar_eigler: no @chrismills i told you about that earlier
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2012-10-09 15:34:56 volkmar_eigler: i also reported a bug
2012-10-09 15:35:15 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: ok, sorry - it's been a long day ;-)
2012-10-09 15:35:22 volkmar_eigler: when i login i see my ip-adress (maybe not mine) at the top of the page where my username should be
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2012-10-09 15:36:01 Garbee: The IP should be yours.
2012-10-09 15:36:02 volkmar_eigler: when i write a question or a comment it looks like i wrote it with a nother username
2012-10-09 15:36:02 chrismills: to log out, you should just mouseover the username and it should give you a log out option in the drop down menu
2012-10-09 15:36:04 mstalfoort: volkmar_eigler, http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogout&returnto=Main+Page  <- this should be the logout page
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2012-10-09 15:36:16 chrismills: try that first
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2012-10-09 15:37:02 Garbee: When did you create your account?  It took a few hours for everything to get proper for me and everything I did that appeared as another user was switched over to my name as well when it finished.
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2012-10-09 15:37:59 Garbee: btw is everything except the homepage run through MediaWiki?  That is what it kinda seems like to me.
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2012-10-09 15:38:13 volkmar_eigler: this morning
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2012-10-09 15:38:24 volkmar_eigler: so about 8 hours ago
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2012-10-09 15:38:34 volkmar_eigler: it worked well the first 5 hours
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2012-10-09 15:38:52 chrismills: MESSAGE TO ALL: I banned a user earlier, who had been posting junk to pages. But a couple of people have tried to edit pages and been given a message saying that they can't make edits because they have the same IP address as the banned user (Ella). If so, try logging out and logging in again
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2012-10-09 15:39:46 volkmar_eigler: doesn't work yet ..
2012-10-09 15:39:53 volkmar_eigler: i logged out 5 times now
2012-10-09 15:39:55 TL: "Linkinus - http://linkinus.com"
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2012-10-09 15:40:20 chrismills: volkmar_eigler: ok. I will try to escalate your problem, because that sounds really frustrating.
2012-10-09 15:40:21 Garbee: Are you kidding?  Spam already?
2012-10-09 15:40:29 chrismills: finding your bug now...
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2012-10-09 15:40:55 volkmar_eigler: okay .. i already upload some pictures in the bugtracker
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2012-10-09 15:41:15 Jaymzu: hello all you happy people
2012-10-09 15:41:29 volkmar_eigler: its actually really frustrating because I want to answer some questions
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2012-10-09 15:41:51 volkmar_eigler: exept me @jaymzu
2012-10-09 15:41:51 volkmar_eigler: :D
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2012-10-09 15:42:22 sonotos: volkmar_eigler: are you using tor or something? if it's just the ip a proxy should fix it temporary
2012-10-09 15:43:54 Garbee: You should be able to answer anyways.
2012-10-09 15:43:58 volkmar_eigler: its not the ip
2012-10-09 15:44:04 volkmar_eigler: i tried it at work
2012-10-09 15:44:07 volkmar_eigler: and now at home
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2012-10-09 15:44:36 volkmar_eigler: @garbee... yes anonymous or with the user wikisysop
2012-10-09 15:44:37 volkmar_eigler: :D
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2012-10-09 15:45:19 volkmar_eigler: when you go the qa section you'll se "just a test..." i wrote this with my user volkmar.eigler...
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2012-10-09 15:48:26 chrismills: Hey everyone - I gotta go now; the US webplatform staff will take it from here, while I'm drinking champagne in the sun ;-) Thanks for all the great conversations today, and I'll be on again tomorrow.
2012-10-09 15:48:36 Garbee: volkmar_eigler, See if my response shows as that user or as myself.
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2012-10-09 15:48:54 volkmar_eigler: as sysop
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2012-10-09 15:49:48 Garbee: Yea, there is a bigger issue lingering then.
2012-10-09 15:49:48 treryg: Бомжур!
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2012-10-09 15:50:02 aaa: блин. сто лет небыл в чате )
2012-10-09 15:50:18 Kepler: Русских много?
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2012-10-09 15:51:08 volkmar_eigler: looks like .. if you get over 800 points u will be sysop :D
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2012-10-09 15:54:44 moneal: Is something wrong with the account creation IP blocking? Its saying my ip address is blocked but showing the wrong IP address
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2012-10-09 15:54:52 hardima1: Hello WORLD!
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2012-10-09 15:55:01 volkmar_eigler: just login again @moneal
2012-10-09 15:55:08 Garbee: chrismills> MESSAGE TO ALL: I banned a user earlier, who had been posting junk to pages. But a couple of people have tried to edit pages and been given a message saying that they can't make edits because they have the same IP address as the banned user (Ella). If so, try logging out and logging in again
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2012-10-09 15:55:15 Garbee: Might be related moneal.
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2012-10-09 15:56:14 moneal: I don't have an account to logout from. Still get the problem when using a clean session
2012-10-09 15:56:15 Sandkorn: a "yay!" from me for that ban!
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2012-10-09 15:56:27 volkmar_eigler: i go playing a little .. maybe it works later
2012-10-09 15:56:30 hardima1: What's the problem Fidler for the day?
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2012-10-09 15:57:14 Munchiser: Hello all
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2012-10-09 15:57:40 hardima1: may be sleep all ))
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2012-10-09 15:58:24 hardima1: How open(/CREATE) new DIALOG?
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2012-10-09 15:58:48 hardima1: I can create NEW DIALOG?
2012-10-09 15:59:07 shepazu: no, hardima1
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2012-10-09 16:00:08 Intel_viewer: hardima1, you can create the new channel
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2012-10-09 16:01:00 Blane: hello people :)
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2012-10-09 16:03:01 maxwell: O_O
2012-10-09 16:03:10 yosadi: i'm developer and i research a new web IDE .Since now, i used Eclipse, Netbeans, ... but i'm not really satisfied & what's your favourite web IDE and why ?
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2012-10-09 16:03:26 maxwell: I'm like in 2000s?
2012-10-09 16:03:35 Intel_viewer: http://intel.com/business/community/ - a free Intel business comunity
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2012-10-09 16:03:58 shepazu: yosadi: I think the hip answer is Sublime Text 2 :)
2012-10-09 16:04:02 Blane: @yosadi : you could use Sublime Text 2! It's a crossplatform intelligent editor
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2012-10-09 16:05:26 dron: hi
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2012-10-09 16:06:37 yosadi: ok thanks i go to try
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2012-10-09 16:07:28 Diego_Eis: Hello fellows... I can organize a group here in Brazil to translate the docs?
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2012-10-09 16:08:19 ctoveloz[BR]: Diego_Eis,  iae man ;D
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2012-10-09 16:08:49 ctoveloz[BR]: acho que lembro do teu nome la no facebook frontend brasil
2012-10-09 16:08:53 ctoveloz[BR]: hehe
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2012-10-09 16:09:01 Torask: нихуя нипонятно(
2012-10-09 16:09:18 serj0333: Вообще =)
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2012-10-09 16:09:30 Garbee: yosadi, People can tell you what they use and why, but it makes no real difference.  You need to test out as many as you can and find one you like.  Nothing anyone else does really matters when it comes to what you use to write your code.
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2012-10-09 16:09:51 Sticks: Im still kinda confused, what is the point of this websitw
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2012-10-09 16:10:02 Sticks: Website?*
2012-10-09 16:10:02 Torask: Двойные кавычки или одинраные?
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2012-10-09 16:12:02 OCREATIVE: hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:02 moneal: Something is wrong with the IP address blocking on the wiki. My mobile device getting relayed from another state is showing the blocked IP 199.27.75.20 message
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2012-10-09 16:12:30 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:32 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:33 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:33 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:34 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:34 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:35 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
2012-10-09 16:12:35 OCREATIVE:  hello! any one here have any information if wordpress will join this site or not ?
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2012-10-09 16:13:15 Garbee: OCREATIVE, Please stop flooding.
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2012-10-09 16:13:22 Garbee: It is also not a Wordpress site.
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2012-10-09 16:13:35 Garbee: Oh, nvm I read the question wrong.
2012-10-09 16:13:38 moneal: Wordpress docs would be for a specific product
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2012-10-09 16:14:02 Garbee: We don't know of Wordpress will join or not, it is up to them.  Although I'm not too sure what they would bring to the table.  It is up to them to request Stewardship at this point.
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2012-10-09 16:14:37 Guest40947: anybody there?
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2012-10-09 16:15:35 Mako0403: Hello there
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2012-10-09 16:15:44 ctoveloz[BR]: html6 and css4 is good
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2012-10-09 16:16:08 Garbee: I don't think there will be a technical HTML6.  They dropped numbering like 2 years ago.
2012-10-09 16:16:24 Garbee: It is just a rolling standard at this point as it should be.
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2012-10-09 16:16:32 Torask:  Web Platform Chat Jump to: navigation, search  [WebPlatform ::  FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org] [19:05] == Torask [webchat@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-mewhgsrqzscmdrmx] has joined #webplatform [19:05] <Alick> Who are here? [19:05] == dron [webchat@gateway/we
2012-10-09 16:17:00 Torask: https://www.google.com.ua/
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2012-10-09 16:17:09 OCREATIVE: but if Wordpress join this site, it will be a very helpful for all , in Wordpress you can learn how to use a lot of things, you will have a lot of questions to ask, if you are using Wordpress as a CMS or you make your custom products on it , you know you will ask about any site which talk about it or where you will found a lot of information
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2012-10-09 16:17:13 Garbee: Torask, What is all that for?
2012-10-09 16:17:16 OCREATIVE: but if Wordpress join this site, it will be a very helpful for all , in Wordpress you can learn how to use a lot of things, you will have a lot of questions to ask, if you are using Wordpress as a CMS or you make your custom products on it , you know you will ask about any site which talk about it or where you will found a lot of information
2012-10-09 16:17:19 Mako0403: I have't started using HTML5 ~_~
2012-10-09 16:17:24 Garbee: OCREATIVE, Just once is enough.
2012-10-09 16:17:27 kranius: OCREATIVE: less spamm please
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2012-10-09 16:18:34 Garbee: OCREATIVE, Giving Wordpress specific help is up to that community.  This one is seeming to revolve around web front-end best practices and standards.  Yes, it is used in Wordpress themes, but Wordpress is so much more than we should get into.
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2012-10-09 16:18:45 kranius: cms are out of context
2012-10-09 16:18:49 amirouche: héllo people, what happened to the mailling list ?
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2012-10-09 16:18:55 kranius: it's about core technologies
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2012-10-09 16:19:17 itgeek: this stuff is awesome
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2012-10-09 16:20:03 Mako0403: Is have American friends , Can you become my friends, by e-mail
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2012-10-09 16:20:28 itgeek: still hard to find stuff, easier on Stack Overflow ;)
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2012-10-09 16:20:54 Garbee: itgeek, Things are being worked on, its all good.
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2012-10-09 16:21:55 tmanderson: How much is the current site expected to change in the coming weeks/months/years (with content excluded, of course)?
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2012-10-09 16:22:13 itgeek: garbee, lets see. hoping for best
2012-10-09 16:22:23 OCREATIVE: http://www1.webplatform.org/stewards/facebook/ - this link talk about developing facebook apps , so , why can`t make like this to help wordpress , and any other scripts which have a lot of users , what i mean , why not this site be the full treasure for web developers ? not only html , css, facebook , etc ... is the founders talk to wordpress team ?
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2012-10-09 16:22:36 Garbee: Yea, it is still pretty early on everything.  Most content is still just imports.
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2012-10-09 16:22:40 mpadilla: Hola
2012-10-09 16:22:44 mpadilla: algun español
2012-10-09 16:22:47 phryk: Hi there.
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2012-10-09 16:23:03 Garbee: OCREATIVE, Because Wordpress isn't a steward.
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2012-10-09 16:23:33 eternicode: Who on earth is WikiSysop?  Its sightings seem to be becoming more frequent.
2012-10-09 16:23:33 ctoveloz[BR]: mpadilla,  donde sos ?
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2012-10-09 16:23:37 Garbee: That company needs to initiate the process.  It is up to them, so you should talk with Wordpress.  Asking in here for it does nothing to really help.
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2012-10-09 16:23:47 soc: hi all ;D
2012-10-09 16:23:55 Garbee: eternicode, A system user.  It is an issue being worked on.
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2012-10-09 16:24:36 moneal: Does anyone have info on small company sponsorship? My company would love to help.
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2012-10-09 16:25:07 Garbee: Mako0403, Most likely not since no one knows you.
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2012-10-09 16:25:43 OCREATIVE: ok, if any others wordpress developers there , why don`t we send a MSGs to wordpress tell theme about what we need ? tell theme to join this site ? any body with me ????
2012-10-09 16:25:54 shepazu: moneal, you can email me about being a steward, or just pitch in and help edit
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2012-10-09 16:26:15 Garbee: moneal, Contact dev relations at W3C.  Link on http://www1.webplatform.org/stewards/
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2012-10-09 16:26:34 Mako0403: I do php development, are looking forward to the exchange with a friend of the United States, you can contact me, work@liuhai.org
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2012-10-09 16:27:36 moneal: shepazu: as soon as the account creation page is working again I'll have the staff start helping. This is going to be a great resource for us and loog forward to helping
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2012-10-09 16:28:06 shepazu: moneal: is the account creation page down?
2012-10-09 16:28:09 kara_: hey
2012-10-09 16:28:12 OCREATIVE: any body with me ?
2012-10-09 16:28:14 Garbee: Mako0403, Personally people get in touch with me via IRC.  Other than that, I'm a no-contact unless needed kind-of person.
2012-10-09 16:28:33 mahinthjoe: Hi
2012-10-09 16:28:56 tmanderson: Has there been any real thought about server side docs on the Web Platform? I was under the assumption that its primary focus was front end, where thorough complete documentation is hard to come by.
2012-10-09 16:29:01 Garbee: kind of should not have been hyphenated.
2012-10-09 16:29:06 moneal: shepazu: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s32/sh/6de44114-b17f-4b64-bff5-6e9f095b268b/a363d7151c5a9bdda032ed864444418f Not my ip address
2012-10-09 16:29:21 Garbee: tmanderson, We have been discussing server-side stuff all morning mostly.
2012-10-09 16:29:29 tmanderson: Not that I'm opposed to server side docs, it would be pretty awesome for a one-stop-shop for everything web dev related, documentation wise.
2012-10-09 16:29:45 Mako0403: I do php development, are looking forward to the exchange with a friend of the United States, anyone can contact me, work@liuhai.org
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2012-10-09 16:29:54 Garbee: I think we have basically decided that we will have pages will introductions to different languages and links to good resources for those languages/systems.
2012-10-09 16:29:58 shepazu: moneal: let me fix that
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2012-10-09 16:31:33 ABC: RUBY ON RAILS?
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2012-10-09 16:31:42 Garbee: ABC, what about it?
2012-10-09 16:31:42 tmanderson: I'd assume that there'd be people out there wanting to add more to each introduction though, right?
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2012-10-09 16:32:21 Mako0403: Garbee, You are the staff here.
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2012-10-09 16:32:23 Garbee: tmanderson, That is why they would be basic overviews of the languages.  Perhaps even one global overview of what a server-side language is and then subsections fo the page to link to resources for different languages.
2012-10-09 16:32:24 tmanderson: Which would inevitably grow into full-blown documentation
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2012-10-09 16:32:32 Garbee: Mako0403, I am not staff.  They are the ops.
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2012-10-09 16:32:50 Garbee: tmanderson, I'm sure it would be kept under control somehow if it were truely done to just be an introduction.
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2012-10-09 16:33:38 Garbee: Server-side is more of a "we will see when it comes up" kind of thing.  right now the main focus is on getting the current content fixed up and the backend working properly.
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2012-10-09 16:34:02 shepazu: moneal: please try now
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2012-10-09 16:34:38 moneal: shepazu: Worked. Thank you
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2012-10-09 16:35:00 shepazu: moneal, thanks for pointing it out
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2012-10-09 16:35:29 spamforhope: hi
2012-10-09 16:35:32 moneal: shepazu: No problem. The email confirmation looks a bit slow but thats ok
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2012-10-09 16:36:40 Tomato: Hey guys.
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2012-10-09 16:36:53 phwd: how many points do you need to edit a question?
2012-10-09 16:36:59 Tomato: I love this website so much, it's so nice, I can't believe you managed to smack MediaWiki around so much and make it so beautiful.
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2012-10-09 16:37:06 horse_ebooks: ^
2012-10-09 16:37:08 horse_ebooks: this
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2012-10-09 16:37:40 Garbee: phwd, You can edit your own at any time.  But you can't edit anyone elses question or response.
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2012-10-09 16:38:02 Garbee: well, the question may not be editable at all,  but you can just respond to your own to update.
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2012-10-09 16:39:24 chechochimes: hi to all
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2012-10-09 16:40:43 phwd: Garbee: so what can points be used for?
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2012-10-09 16:43:42 jonrandahl: Afternoon all, or morning or evening or just hello!
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2012-10-09 16:43:50 dehisok: hello!
2012-10-09 16:43:53 _123: hi all
2012-10-09 16:43:54 lampe2: hello web devs :)
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2012-10-09 16:44:20 Tomato: Is it okay to create pages that talk about MediaWiki langage or describing how to use parser functions and things like that? Or do those pages exist? I can't really find them.
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2012-10-09 16:44:42 _123: development development development develop
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2012-10-09 16:44:59 Garbee: phwd, Nothing yet.
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2012-10-09 16:45:12 kdev: any thing interesting?
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2012-10-09 16:45:19 shepazu: Tomato: what specifically are you talking about? like, a help page?
2012-10-09 16:45:23 Garbee: They are just there to show contribution fornow.
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2012-10-09 16:45:30 jonrandahl: is anyone else following the space dive?
2012-10-09 16:45:31 andym_: part
2012-10-09 16:45:31 lampe2: maybe someone can help :) i got a jquery ui element that is resizeable and now i wanne make it resizeable on mobile devices but jquery mobile dont got a resizeable implementation is ther a other way?
2012-10-09 16:45:38 Tomato: Yeah, like help pages for wiki markup.
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2012-10-09 16:45:52 Tomato: And how to use the mediawiki extensions, parser functions, with wiki markup, things like that.
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2012-10-09 16:46:39 _123: lampe2: other way: don't use jquery ui :)
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2012-10-09 16:47:06 jonrandahl: dinners calling, ttfn all
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2012-10-09 16:47:21 lampe2: _123, okay but this doesent solve my problem of resizeing an object ;)
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2012-10-09 16:47:44 Tomato: Also I can't figure this out, do pages have talk pages like to discuss the page? I can't really find a way to get to it easily, was that purposely left out.
2012-10-09 16:47:45 shepazu: Tomato: did you see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started ?
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2012-10-09 16:48:00 Tomato: Sorry shepazu, I'll read over it again. o;
2012-10-09 16:48:03 NitroG: hello habrahabr.ru
2012-10-09 16:48:04 NitroG: !
2012-10-09 16:48:08 chris_cook: Tomato: Talk pages are in the edit dropdown i think
2012-10-09 16:48:11 shepazu: Tomato: we decided not to use Talk pages
2012-10-09 16:48:15 chris_cook: or not
2012-10-09 16:48:15 _123: lampe2: no object, no problem :)
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2012-10-09 16:48:25 lampe2: haha
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2012-10-09 16:48:26 NitroG: +)
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2012-10-09 16:48:50 shepazu: they are there, but we don't want people to use them, we want people to use the inline comments functionality
2012-10-09 16:48:57 _123: NitroG: hi
2012-10-09 16:49:07 chinasir: hi
2012-10-09 16:49:07 NitroG: =)
2012-10-09 16:49:11 Tomato: Oh okay, that makes more sense, thank you.
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2012-10-09 16:49:14 NitroG: по русски можно +)
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2012-10-09 16:49:57 lampe2: _123, no object no money ;)
2012-10-09 16:49:58 _123: lampe2: obj = null; // well done!
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2012-10-09 16:50:57 lampe2: _123, you are a funny fuy :P
2012-10-09 16:51:00 lampe2: fuy = guy
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2012-10-09 16:51:29 _123: www: test 2
2012-10-09 16:51:30 www: testtest
2012-10-09 16:51:33 arkhi: Anybody has an approximative date for the possibility to translate content on webplatform.org?
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2012-10-09 16:51:44 _123: www: test^test
2012-10-09 16:51:46 stipp: Friends, please visit and registration my first web-project (social) - www.pelouse.ru
2012-10-09 16:51:50 NitroG: test**test
2012-10-09 16:51:50 _123: super test
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2012-10-09 16:52:17 stipp: Друзья, кому не лень - пожайлуста зарегистрируйтесь на pelouse.ru / спс.
2012-10-09 16:52:18 www: www.pelouse.ru odnoklassniki 2?
2012-10-09 16:52:21 www: :-)
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2012-10-09 16:52:24 _123: gamstam style test
2012-10-09 16:52:45 NitroG: hey spamers r welcome!
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2012-10-09 16:53:47 sz0ka: okay guys, gotta go home
2012-10-09 16:53:54 sz0ka: cu l8er / tomorrow
2012-10-09 16:53:55 elijah: Webchat is refusing connections
2012-10-09 16:53:56 shepazu: seeya
2012-10-09 16:54:07 _123: bb
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2012-10-09 16:54:12 Garbee: elijah, We know.  They are blocking the script from the site.
2012-10-09 16:54:13 shepazu: elijah: yeah, apparently we broke freenode
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2012-10-09 16:54:20 NitroG: го пить пивас пацаны
2012-10-09 16:54:20 Garbee: They think bots are using it.
2012-10-09 16:54:25 sandroid: hehe
2012-10-09 16:54:28 NitroG: сегодня же вторник
2012-10-09 16:54:31 shepazu: they are probably right :)
2012-10-09 16:54:31 Tomato: shepazu, the add a comment function is a little hard to find at first, I randomly found it after like 10 minutes of searching then realizing it only required hovering, maybe there should be something about how to add the comments on the getting started page? I don't see any information about it there.
2012-10-09 16:54:36 elijah: Garbee: shepazu - okay, just wanted to make sure you knew.
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2012-10-09 16:54:47 Garbee: shepazu, I don't think it is "We broke it" as much as "Freenode doesn't like web clients."
2012-10-09 16:55:02 schalkneethling: part
2012-10-09 16:55:04 Garbee: It all started with that frog one...
2012-10-09 16:55:05 www: го пить пивас пацаны, i go igo
2012-10-09 16:55:05 elijah: probably a lot of new traffic, I just became aware from a Google Code Blogpost in my RSS reader.
2012-10-09 16:55:08 _123: я пил Пятницкое какойже сегодня вторник?
2012-10-09 16:55:13 shepazu: Tomato: could you please file a bug on the comments extension? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 16:55:50 shepazu: Garbee: I think we need to ask the freenode folks what to do to make them happy, which is reasonable… it's their network
2012-10-09 16:55:53 _123: это же фейк
2012-10-09 16:56:02 Tomato: Wow, thanks shepazu~
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2012-10-09 16:56:20 Garbee: shepazu, I know and I do completely understand their logic for it.
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2012-10-09 16:57:05 sandroid: captcha would probably help
2012-10-09 16:57:11 elijah: In the meantime, what would be nice though is to change "Connect to Web Platform IRC" to "Connect to Web Platform IRC (#webplatform on freenode)". Because when I clicked chat it took me to http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ but not so obvious is that by going up a level on the breadcrumb (http://talk.webplatform.org/)  you can see what network and the channel name
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2012-10-09 16:58:11 elijah: shepazu: can you use something like draggable captcha if you use one?
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2012-10-09 16:58:15 moneal: shepazu appears to be the person that gets stuff done around here
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2012-10-09 16:58:19 shepazu: Jayflux: I work for W3C. I am developer relations lead, and I started this project
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2012-10-09 16:58:42 YsenGrimm: hey ho
2012-10-09 16:58:43 sandroid: well then a big thanks for that :)
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2012-10-09 16:58:47 shepazu: elijah: never heard of that
2012-10-09 16:58:57 shepazu: sandroid, thank you for showing up :)
2012-10-09 16:59:02 elijah: shepazu: Until this is resolved can you put the channel name and network on the webchat page
2012-10-09 16:59:16 Jayflux: shepazu nice
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2012-10-09 16:59:31 shepazu: elijah: it's on the parent page, but yeah, I'll try to fix that page, too
2012-10-09 16:59:33 sandroid: shepazu: now i have a reason to run irsii on my dedicated box, and who knows, hopefully get to contribute something :)
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2012-10-09 16:59:54 wedsonlima: hello
2012-10-09 16:59:59 elijah: shepazu: http://drupal.org/project/draggable_captcha, example here www.kreesindustrial.com/contact
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2012-10-09 17:00:31 Jayflux: shepazu so what do you hope to get out of this then?
2012-10-09 17:00:46 wedsonlima: what a mess
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2012-10-09 17:00:58 arkhi: shepazu: Would you know an approximative date for the possibility to translate content on webplatform.org?
2012-10-09 17:01:01 shepazu: Jayflux: a community that will help maintain awesome web creator documentation
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2012-10-09 17:01:23 Jayflux: shepazu but don't mozilla already do a good job of that?
2012-10-09 17:01:25 shepazu: arkhi: I'm hoping 4-6 weeks
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2012-10-09 17:01:35 elijah: shepazu: I really like the idea, thanks for spearheading this initiative!
2012-10-09 17:01:36 arkhi: Oh great. :)
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2012-10-09 17:02:19 sandroid: k, was thinking as much :) just wanted to double check :)
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2012-10-09 17:02:36 shepazu: Jayflux: MDN has great docs, but I thought a more vendor-neutral place might have more appeal
2012-10-09 17:02:49 ONOTOLE: ХАБР есть?
2012-10-09 17:02:54 lol_: да)
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2012-10-09 17:03:38 phwd: Is there a reason for the double titles on docs pages? e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials
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2012-10-09 17:04:04 elijah: Jayflux: "in collaboration with Adobe, Facebook, Google, HP, Microsoft, Mozilla, Nokia, Opera..."
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2012-10-09 17:05:11 tompntn: so...
2012-10-09 17:05:12 ONOTOLE: Yes
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2012-10-09 17:05:58 lol_: Упячка! ЩАЧСЛО ПОПЯЧСЯ
2012-10-09 17:06:13 ONOTOLE: АДИНАДИН на глагне!
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2012-10-09 17:08:52 arkhi: Good night all...
2012-10-09 17:08:53 Tomato: shepazu, how come we're not allowed to edit templates?
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2012-10-09 17:09:57 shepazu: Tomato: we are concerned about spam and malice
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2012-10-09 17:10:34 Tomato: shepazu, you could just use abusefilters to prevent spam and malice, but aside from that, is it okay to create our own templates and propose them or something?
2012-10-09 17:10:36 shepazu: Tomato: once we get community admins in place, we will let them edit the templates too
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2012-10-09 17:10:50 Tomato: oh okay.
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2012-10-09 17:10:58 Tomato: ):
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2012-10-09 17:11:39 Garbee: What Templates are you referring to?
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2012-10-09 17:11:46 shepazu: Tomato: we'd prefer that templates are discussed first… you can join the public-webplatform on w3.org mailing list to help suggest stuff, if you like
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2012-10-09 17:12:21 shepazu: templates are easy to abuse, we want to be smart about how we're using them
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2012-10-09 17:12:31 elijah: Is this chat logged?
2012-10-09 17:12:42 elijah: oops, nvm
2012-10-09 17:12:48 shepazu: elijah: yup  http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
2012-10-09 17:12:48 moneal: The avatar upload (http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:UploadAvatar) says its limited to 100kb but takes files larger
2012-10-09 17:13:06 shepazu: moneal: thanks, can you file a bug on that please?
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2012-10-09 17:13:50 moneal: shepazu: sure. Where are bugs filed?
2012-10-09 17:13:50 elijah: shepazu: yeah, I saw that in the welcome topic text, should have read that first :D
2012-10-09 17:14:15 shepazu: moneal: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 17:14:24 Tomato: Garbee, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css#Index_of_CSS_topics I wanted to try messing around with how side this table is (it's wider than the skin for me and looks strange), but then I realized everything was protected. So I just left a comment instead.
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2012-10-09 17:15:10 elijah: shepazu: How long should it take for the verification email to arrive? Been about 5 minutes now.
2012-10-09 17:15:12 moneal: shepazu: thank you
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2012-10-09 17:15:28 shepazu: elijah: did you check spam?
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2012-10-09 17:16:53 ctoveloz[BR]: someone from canada?
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2012-10-09 17:17:36 drty: ПЯНИ БЛЯТЬ!
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2012-10-09 17:18:05 elijah: shepazu: moneal - thanks, yes, they are in spam in my Gmail. Which is not so great, any idea why? I noticed they were sent by sendgrid.info and signed by sendgrid.me, would that cause this?
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2012-10-09 17:18:47 shepazu: elijah: I'm looking for a solution to that
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2012-10-09 17:19:13 qazxsw: hey
2012-10-09 17:19:23 qazxsw: who is here?
2012-10-09 17:19:32 sandroid: not me
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2012-10-09 17:19:45 sandroid: i'm just lurking in a corner
2012-10-09 17:19:57 qazxsw: :)
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2012-10-09 17:20:12 elijah: shepazu: Have you looked at mailchimps brother, http://mandrill.com/, they let you do DKIM auth on transactional emails. I tested on previous setup and it works well, especially for validating through Gmail. Can't comment on others (Yahoo, Hotmail etc)
2012-10-09 17:20:40 shepazu: elijah: yup, I have looked at that :)
2012-10-09 17:21:04 elijah: shepazu: Good deal, good to know you are looking into it!
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2012-10-09 17:24:17 moneal: Mailjet is also pretty good but might be too spendy
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2012-10-09 17:26:41 Skyway: hi
2012-10-09 17:27:02 slow_: ФсеМ ПрИфКе В ЭтОм ЧяТи =)))
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2012-10-09 17:29:31 huseynkhan: hy
2012-10-09 17:29:31 tomas_: is anybody here?
2012-10-09 17:29:33 peterlubbers: Hi everybody: Alex, Scott R., and I will be hosting a Google Developers Live (our live video channel) "office hours" session at 11:30 a.m. PST today in which we will give a quick overview and explain how people can get involved. https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/ (one hour from now)
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2012-10-09 17:30:09 Garbee: Thanks for the reminder peterlubbers!
2012-10-09 17:30:26 kal1sha: упячка атакует!
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2012-10-09 17:32:42 Irene_: hi there
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2012-10-09 17:32:53 elijah: peterlubbers: So is that a Hangout or just a live Youtube type stream?
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2012-10-09 17:33:13 peterlubbers: YouTube Libe stream, it will be recorded for later
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2012-10-09 17:33:22 Garbee: Guest93027, sergio and sergio_ are probably registered nicks with enforce on which is why it changed.
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2012-10-09 17:33:27 peterlubbers: and available at that same URL
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2012-10-09 17:33:39 poweref: hi
2012-10-09 17:33:45 kaan: türk var mi
2012-10-09 17:33:49 Irene_: seems like this chat is not user friendly :P
2012-10-09 17:33:56 elijah: peterlubbers: Thanks
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2012-10-09 17:34:11 kaan: what is questions point ?
2012-10-09 17:34:11 elijah: Irene_: what particularly is not user friendly?
2012-10-09 17:34:37 Trequest slaps volkmar_eigler around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 17:34:38 Irene_: a lot of system messages get mixed with real chat talks
2012-10-09 17:34:50 Irene_: i'd love to see it at least in different colours
2012-10-09 17:34:52 Garbee: Irene_, What chat client are you using?
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2012-10-09 17:35:11 Irene_: mmm... i just opened it in chrome browser
2012-10-09 17:35:19 Charun: qwebirc
2012-10-09 17:35:41 kaan: what is questions point ?
2012-10-09 17:35:47 Garbee: Irene_, In that case it is the clients fault.  You should really use an actual IRC client if you want more granular control over messages and settings.
2012-10-09 17:36:01 Irene_: ok :)
2012-10-09 17:36:16 Garbee: Like Xchat, Pidgin (kinda limited), irssi if you like terminals.
2012-10-09 17:36:27 Garbee: Just search IRC client or see the list on Wikipedia, there are plenty.
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2012-10-09 17:36:51 moneal: irc cloud works if you want to have a web based client
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2012-10-09 17:37:30 kunla: im sure someone has mentioned it already, but wtf @ all the spam...
2012-10-09 17:37:35 Tomato: shepazu, how do I subscribe to the public e-mailing list? I submitted those bugs for the Comments extension so thanks for that link!
2012-10-09 17:37:37 Irene_: Garbee, ehm, thanks, i'm just not such an advanced user )))
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2012-10-09 17:37:55 Garbee: Irene_, that is fine.  I just hate the web client because almost all of them suck. :/
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2012-10-09 17:38:16 Tomato: Also, if anyone knows, how do we submit errors with the skin?
2012-10-09 17:38:18 cheilmann: shepazu: Hmm can we crop the Mozilla logo a bit? http://www1.webplatform.org/stewards/mozilla/mozilla_wordmark.png - I am on retina but 4708x1904 is a tad big.
2012-10-09 17:38:52 shepazu: Tomato: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
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2012-10-09 17:39:21 jswisher: cheilmann: crop? or down-size?
2012-10-09 17:39:26 cheilmann: resize
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2012-10-09 17:39:31 moneal: Garbee: I pay for it now
2012-10-09 17:39:33 Xpycm: hi!!!
2012-10-09 17:39:39 shepazu: jswisher, cheilmann, on it
2012-10-09 17:39:44 Irene_: привет хруст :)
2012-10-09 17:39:52 cheilmann: and make it spin in 3D :)
2012-10-09 17:39:56 cheilmann: that'd be awesome
2012-10-09 17:39:58 Guest49601: привет
2012-10-09 17:40:00 Xpycm: как дела Ирене?
2012-10-09 17:40:05 jswisher: cheilmann: :-)
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2012-10-09 17:40:15 Irene_: ого! русские с хабра пришли? )
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2012-10-09 17:40:21 Garbee: This is cool:  https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway
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2012-10-09 17:40:27 cheilmann: Firefox 16 prefixless! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIbJ4Sgres #excited
2012-10-09 17:40:35 Garbee: cheilmann, Yuppers! :D
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2012-10-09 17:41:09 shepazu: jswisher, cheilmann, don't you have a more colorful logo I could use?
2012-10-09 17:41:26 cheilmann: that's the brand.
2012-10-09 17:41:31 cheilmann: we are all serious and stuff
2012-10-09 17:41:36 jswisher: shepazu: you can make it any solid color you want
2012-10-09 17:41:40 shepazu: s/brand/bland/
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2012-10-09 17:42:13 Xpycm: всем чмоки в этом чате =))))
2012-10-09 17:42:15 shepazu: greyish-black it is...
2012-10-09 17:42:29 Irene_: Xpycm, )))))
2012-10-09 17:42:39 cheilmann: I did the MGM style one but noooo…. http://thewebrocks.com/demos/mdnmgm/
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2012-10-09 17:43:26 jswisher: shepazu: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/mozilla/branding/#wordmark
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2012-10-09 17:45:03 g0gan: hello, world
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2012-10-09 17:45:18 Irene_: hello, hello )
2012-10-09 17:45:32 Irene_: ppl, anybody knows the purpose of this chat? )
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2012-10-09 17:47:33 pdr: Irene_: to talk about the web :)
2012-10-09 17:47:36 carlosdelolelel: hi
2012-10-09 17:47:44 NickyZ: Irene_: To talk about web platform
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2012-10-09 17:48:20 Irene_: thanks pdr & NickyZ :)
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2012-10-09 17:48:27 Garbee: The chats primary focus is for discussing the site and organizing improvements.  Not for general tech support on web  technologies.
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2012-10-09 17:48:38 conradk: Hello :)
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2012-10-09 17:48:45 Guest56525: hi)
2012-10-09 17:48:52 Irene_: mmm, as no one is now talking about web platform, let's talk about where we are from :)
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2012-10-09 17:49:15 Irene_: i'm from Moscow, Russia ) you guys?
2012-10-09 17:49:21 volkmar_eigler: wow my login finally works
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2012-10-09 17:49:47 shepazu: Garbee: sorry to correct you, but actually, the channel *is* to talk about web development and design :)
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2012-10-09 17:50:06 microheyn: Olá Galera!
2012-10-09 17:50:15 shepazu: Irene_: I'm from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA
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2012-10-09 17:50:57 volkmar_eigler: its look like the devs fixed the login / ip problem
2012-10-09 17:51:10 vcxvvx: hi
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2012-10-09 17:51:22 shepazu changed topic to: WebPlatform: ask and answer questions about web development and design   :: FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-09 17:51:27 Garbee: shepazu, But it isn't for technical support, or did that change since last night/this morning?
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2012-10-09 17:51:43 shepazu: Garbee: not sure where you heard that?
2012-10-09 17:51:52 Garbee: shepazu, Paul.
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2012-10-09 17:52:12 shepazu: we are also doing tech support on the site, but that's not the primary purpose of this channel
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2012-10-09 17:52:29 shepazu: Garbee, paul was wrong, then :)
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2012-10-09 17:52:41 Garbee: Then I was wrong and am now corrected.
2012-10-09 17:52:43 pdr: I was hoping it would allow support / discussion. There are boring w3c rooms for spec talk :P
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2012-10-09 17:52:56 volkmar_eigler: well .. after all the troubles with the platfrom it should be also an support channel
2012-10-09 17:52:57 shepazu: this channel would be pretty boring if it were just about the site :)
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2012-10-09 17:53:15 Irene_: @shepazu, agree ;)
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2012-10-09 17:53:30 Garbee: I think actual support though should be delegated to #css, #html5, and #javascript where it is more precise on what is going on and with dedicated topics.  Here it is just like scattershot and hope someone is around that has an idea.
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2012-10-09 17:54:45 shepazu: Garbee, you can hang out and answer questions in whatever channels you like :) I plan to help people with web development here :)
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2012-10-09 17:55:03 Jayflux: shepazu what channels were you in before here?
2012-10-09 17:55:04 manchot: hello every one
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2012-10-09 17:55:28 manu-db: shepazu, I am trying to get the attention of my site visitors... should I use the <blink> tag or <marquee> ?
2012-10-09 17:55:32 Garbee: shepazu, Now I feel bad for asking people to go to other rooms earlier. :(
2012-10-09 17:55:41 manchot: i thinck this site is a best idéa
2012-10-09 17:55:44 Garbee: Ah well, at least now I know.
2012-10-09 17:56:01 cheilmann: wow. manu-db you must be one of those subtle and incredibly intelligent troll guys
2012-10-09 17:56:03 shepazu: manu-db: excellent question! why either/or? use BOTH! (also USE ALL CAPS!!!)
2012-10-09 17:56:10 cheilmann hands a cookie
2012-10-09 17:56:22 sowingsadness: shepazu XD
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2012-10-09 17:56:50 manu-db: SOLUTION: <marquee><blink>Under construction</blink></marquee> - thanks WebPlatform.org!
2012-10-09 17:56:51 Irene_: ehh, i used to write web scripts many years ago when was studying at my university... but work as a marketeer for more than 7 years already ) so programming is in my memories only now )
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2012-10-09 17:56:58 shepazu: (you can also use text-transform: uppercase; for font-variant: small-caps; if you prefer)
2012-10-09 17:57:01 cheilmann: what you really want is rainbow dividers in css3: http://codepo8.github.com/CSS3-Rainbow-Dividers/
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2012-10-09 17:57:35 manu-db oohs at cheilmann's suggestion... see, you learn new stuff if you troll.
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2012-10-09 17:57:48 Irene_: ok guys, was nice to meet you ) but i don't think i'll be able to talk about web developing here ))) good luck everyone!
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2012-10-09 17:58:14 shepazu: Jayflux: I normally lurk in #html5, #svg, #whatwg, and a few other channels
2012-10-09 17:58:15 Garbee: Irene_, You can talk all you want.
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2012-10-09 17:58:30 Irene_: Garbee, thanks ))))
2012-10-09 17:58:35 shepazu: thanks, Irene_
2012-10-09 17:59:16 davids: so is this just a bunch of nonsense or is there actual web development conversation going on...? Heh..
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2012-10-09 17:59:46 manu-db: sorry, davids - I was trolling shepazu. Although, I had no idea about the CSS3-rainbow-divider awfulness.
2012-10-09 18:00:15 Irene_: Garbee, I just don't wanna bring mess into IT channel ) but thanks anyway ))
2012-10-09 18:00:18 davids: I only asked because I just joined and I can't see the history
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2012-10-09 18:00:51 pdr: Cool SVG demo using d3: http://bl.ocks.org/3788999
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2012-10-09 18:01:12 sonotos: davids: well if you want some intresting chats provide an intresting topic
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2012-10-09 18:01:52 manu-db: answer: You jumped in mid-troll. To make up for it, this is a really great article on webplatform.org: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/how_browsers_work
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2012-10-09 18:02:16 ceuben: goodmorning
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2012-10-09 18:02:23 Mircosoft: hello
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2012-10-09 18:02:34 shepazu: pdr: that is hot! thanks for sharing!
2012-10-09 18:02:36 ceuben: (y)?
2012-10-09 18:02:37 manu-db: pdf: that's sick
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2012-10-09 18:03:30 Mircosoft: хуй)
2012-10-09 18:03:30 BrotherR: hi
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2012-10-09 18:03:56 phwd: is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html a list of HTML 4.0.1 and 5 or just all HTML elements in general
2012-10-09 18:03:57 BrotherR: ) чаты зло
2012-10-09 18:03:59 sowingsadness: Ìàéêðàñîôò - íó îòêóäà òàêèå ä@#$ëû áåðóòñÿ?
2012-10-09 18:04:02 Mircosoft: Hello all. Всем хуй.
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2012-10-09 18:04:31 Mircosoft: Братишь.
2012-10-09 18:04:33 shepazu: phwd: it should list them all
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2012-10-09 18:04:47 moneal: When adding compatibility information to a element should you add all version or first version to support the element?
2012-10-09 18:05:20 BrotherR: Чёт много тут умных слов пишут
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2012-10-09 18:05:51 sowingsadness: @shepazu- Mircosoft have a insulting behavior
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2012-10-09 18:06:14 phwd: okay well the example for <li> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/li is a directory list, when one would expect the most common example to be <ul>
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2012-10-09 18:06:31 shepazu: thanks, sowingsadness
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2012-10-09 18:08:32 shepazu: moneal: first to support, and all subsequent versions
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2012-10-09 18:08:52 shepazu: jswisher: what do you think?
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2012-10-09 18:09:58 moneal: 18 versions of chrome to list is a lot
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2012-10-09 18:10:21 moneal: maybe 7-24?
2012-10-09 18:10:24 jswisher: shepazu: I missed the context, but you're talking about browser versions in compat tables?
2012-10-09 18:10:39 shepazu: yeah
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2012-10-09 18:10:48 jswisher: I would list the first one to support the features
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2012-10-09 18:11:15 jswisher: if there are sub-features that come in later, you can have rows per sub-feature
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2012-10-09 18:12:02 jgraham: Or just use the caniuse.com approach of supported in current/prev/upcoming
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2012-10-09 18:13:13 moneal: jgraham: I'm adding the info from caniuse. It looks like the template would need to change to support current/prev/upcoming
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2012-10-09 18:15:58 jgraham: Well that seems like the most important information at least. For most browsers "feature is avaliable" ~= "feature is avaliable in current" + "feature is avaliable in prev"
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2012-10-09 18:17:17 sowingsadness: broken image: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/File:11.png
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2012-10-09 18:18:52 tobie: Isn't caniuse content embeddable, btw?
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2012-10-09 18:20:21 columns: Hello, everyone.
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2012-10-09 18:22:07 semik: Are link works here http://train-helper.host-ed.me  ???
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2012-10-09 18:22:29 semik: Oh nice!
2012-10-09 18:22:50 johndoesmith: hallo
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2012-10-09 18:23:23 Tomato: shepazu, sorry to bother you again but I was trying to sort out pages that weren't categorized correctly, but it's hard to see how you add the categories with the templates because I can't view the source of the template to see where you put it. Is there any way to enable at least viewing the source of a template?
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2012-10-09 18:23:42 Tomato: where you or anyone who made the template up it*
2012-10-09 18:23:42 shepazu: Tomato: you're not bothering me
2012-10-09 18:23:44 columns: Hello, hello, Reddit.
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2012-10-09 18:23:50 columns: Oh look, it's a paul irish. Hey Paul.
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2012-10-09 18:23:57 johndoesmith: Can anyone tell me, why reading things on this site is so exhausting ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
2012-10-09 18:23:57 divya: shepazu: WHY DO I NOT HAVE WEBPLATFORM.ORG STICKERS
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2012-10-09 18:24:29 shepazu: divya: BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT AT THE HACKATHON YOU LAZY GOOD-FOR-NOTHING!!!!
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2012-10-09 18:24:41 divya: shepazu: ahahah :'(
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2012-10-09 18:24:50 shepazu: Adobe has some coming, I think
2012-10-09 18:24:51 divya: srry shepazu HOW CAN I GET SOME
2012-10-09 18:25:15 shepazu: talk to your peeps, make sure you're on the list
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2012-10-09 18:25:16 Garbee: Can the caps lock get a chill pill please?
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2012-10-09 18:25:36 divya: shepazu: kk
2012-10-09 18:25:37 semik: Привет Хабр!
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2012-10-09 18:25:42 divya: everyone wants them!
2012-10-09 18:25:45 shepazu is sporting a WPD sticker on his laptop righ now… and has about 1k stickers :)
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2012-10-09 18:26:06 divya: i want some 3d sticker of the W
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2012-10-09 18:26:20 shepazu: I want an animated sticker of the W
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2012-10-09 18:26:33 divya: ahaha that might work also.
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2012-10-09 18:26:54 jkomoros: Everyone should check out https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/ in about 5 minutes. Some really cool people are going to be talking about WPD. :-)
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2012-10-09 18:27:05 divya: o hai jkomoros congrats to you too
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2012-10-09 18:27:09 shepazu: it could be USB, draw power off the laptop
2012-10-09 18:27:17 shepazu: jkomoros++
2012-10-09 18:27:21 jkomoros: Well hey there divya
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2012-10-09 18:28:07 Garbee: Also, why the hell does Google have such insane URL's?  That was just retarded for me to type into my other system.
2012-10-09 18:28:12 vjprasanth joined
2012-10-09 18:28:16 Guest82363: why has the chat @ talk.webplatform.org/chat a overflow:hidden?
2012-10-09 18:28:35 divya: whats wrong with a overflow hidden
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2012-10-09 18:28:54 shepazu: it's a secret feature
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2012-10-09 18:28:58 joey_figaro: lol
2012-10-09 18:29:05 Guest82363: its annoying
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2012-10-09 18:31:28 Garbee: https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/   --Live now.
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2012-10-09 18:32:08 YsenGrimm: not available in germany
2012-10-09 18:32:22 YsenGrimm: ohh gema i love you
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2012-10-09 18:32:33 Guest82363:  Dieses Video ist nicht verfügbar. - not available..
2012-10-09 18:32:44 joey_figaro: Very nice, very nice.
2012-10-09 18:32:44 Fetiorin: 1
2012-10-09 18:33:02 spyder: Does this work
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2012-10-09 18:33:16 KoZel99999: Ух ты)
2012-10-09 18:33:16 Fetiorin: ">
2012-10-09 18:33:30 moneal: wow anyone else getting a echo?
2012-10-09 18:33:34 kathyw: lots
2012-10-09 18:33:34 tingham: heh
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2012-10-09 18:33:39 spyder: I am new at this
2012-10-09 18:33:45 Garbee: Is anyone else getting echo on the live feed?
2012-10-09 18:33:50 KoZel99999: Most of us are new, Spyder
2012-10-09 18:33:51 justinBeaudry: Yes there is an echo
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2012-10-09 18:34:11 spyder: can someone help me out
2012-10-09 18:34:20 cpg is now known as cpg|away
2012-10-09 18:34:27 Garbee: spyder, With what?
2012-10-09 18:34:35 VonScuttle: spyder: Help you what?
2012-10-09 18:34:55 spyder: i am new at this and was just wondering what this is all about
2012-10-09 18:35:08 KoZel99999: dirty noob
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2012-10-09 18:35:36 ThiefMaster: <Garbee> Also, why the hell does Google have such insane URL's?  < "url's" is insane too. don't rape the english language.
2012-10-09 18:35:43 kathyw: echo's gone for me now
2012-10-09 18:35:50 Garbee: spyder, Webplatform docs is about?
2012-10-09 18:36:18 spyder: i am a junior at lewis university a computer graphic design major with a minor in marketing and can you tell me the details about Webplatform
2012-10-09 18:36:29 Garbee: ThiefMaster, Sorry, one misplaced apostrophe.  Geeze, what a grammar christian.
2012-10-09 18:36:38 ThiefMaster: s/christian/nazi
2012-10-09 18:36:42 ThiefMaster: i'm german after all :p
2012-10-09 18:36:47 VonScuttle: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 18:36:56 ThiefMaster: but heh, there are a few grammar things i do comment on if i see them
2012-10-09 18:37:02 Garbee: spyder, https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/  --they are talking about it now live.
2012-10-09 18:37:10 Garbee: I'd check that out now and ask questions after.
2012-10-09 18:37:26 Hab joined
2012-10-09 18:37:33 sonotos: well not in every country :-/
2012-10-09 18:37:34 KoZel99999: O, sure, we can explain the purpose of Webplatform, "junior at lewis university a computer graphic desing major with a minaor in marketing"
2012-10-09 18:37:46 RendeRR: Client Quit
2012-10-09 18:37:47 Garbee: ThiefMaster, I like Christian over Nazi.  Saw it on imgur/reddit and it fits perfect for most use-cases.
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2012-10-09 18:38:00 semik: Hey how are you?
2012-10-09 18:38:03 foxlove2010 joined
2012-10-09 18:38:06 kerf: OOOOoooooooooooooooooooo
2012-10-09 18:38:19 KoZel99999: Is someone from Ukraine?
2012-10-09 18:38:27 Hab: Да
2012-10-09 18:38:31 semik: Хабр привет!
2012-10-09 18:38:32 Hab: Так
2012-10-09 18:38:39 KoZel99999: Чудово))
2012-10-09 18:38:39 semik: Да и из России есть
2012-10-09 18:38:45 kerf: Privet habrov4ane
2012-10-09 18:38:45 semik: Хлопчики!
2012-10-09 18:38:54 semik: Привет kerf!
2012-10-09 18:39:00 KoZel99999: I feel myself like in 2000 year on that chat
2012-10-09 18:39:00 kerf: :)
2012-10-09 18:39:04 KoZel99999: flashback ;D
2012-10-09 18:39:07 semik: Начался славянский чат!
2012-10-09 18:39:08 Hab: :)
2012-10-09 18:39:12 KoZel99999: ))))
2012-10-09 18:39:12 kerf: ага
2012-10-09 18:39:12 Hab: Ага
2012-10-09 18:39:16 Hab: )
2012-10-09 18:39:18 KoZel99999: Хабр заполоняет
2012-10-09 18:39:19 kerf: гусь
2012-10-09 18:39:22 semik: кто что делает?
2012-10-09 18:39:25 kerf: венец природы
2012-10-09 18:39:31 sonotos: feels like kindergarden
2012-10-09 18:39:34 KoZel99999: Тут у всех есь акк на хабре?
2012-10-09 18:39:40 semik: ога
2012-10-09 18:39:40 kerf: ладушки!
2012-10-09 18:39:43 KoZel99999: или много кто с read-only?
2012-10-09 18:39:48 YsenGrimm: hmpf could you please use english
2012-10-09 18:39:50 spyder: this is so totally awesome
2012-10-09 18:39:50 Hab: да
2012-10-09 18:39:54 semik: у нас дожди пошли... погода портиться!
2012-10-09 18:39:56 kerf: вак ап
2012-10-09 18:40:04 kerf: хреново
2012-10-09 18:40:07 KoZel99999: дожди дожди... осень началась
2012-10-09 18:40:07 kerf: вообще зима скоро
2012-10-09 18:40:08 KoZel99999: прямо сегодня
2012-10-09 18:40:14 YsenGrimm: this is a global channel
2012-10-09 18:40:19 Hab: холодно вообще
2012-10-09 18:40:20 KoZel99999: Вообще конец света скоро))
2012-10-09 18:40:34 semik: не говори! mIRC вспомнил, аж слезу выдавило
2012-10-09 18:40:35 Hab: )
2012-10-09 18:40:37 YsenGrimm: btw what language is this?
2012-10-09 18:40:57 semik: ru_RU;windows-1251
2012-10-09 18:41:01 kerf: russian
2012-10-09 18:41:04 sonotos: 该死
2012-10-09 18:41:06 YsenGrimm: ahh ok :D
2012-10-09 18:41:08 kerf: aziatos
2012-10-09 18:41:10 Hab: this is Russian
2012-10-09 18:41:14 semik: хаха прикиньте если сюда китайцы ломанутся!
2012-10-09 18:41:17 kerf: fuckin lang
2012-10-09 18:41:19 kerf: xD
2012-10-09 18:41:35 kerf: нет они щас спят
2012-10-09 18:41:41 kerf: хотя
2012-10-09 18:41:41 kerf: нет
2012-10-09 18:41:44 kerf: они на заводе
2012-10-09 18:41:48 KoZel99999: ахахах
2012-10-09 18:41:50 kerf: делают айфон 6 нврн
2012-10-09 18:41:55 semik: хохо
2012-10-09 18:41:59 KoZel99999: Hi, Chineese people)
2012-10-09 18:42:08 semik: iPhone(N+1)
2012-10-09 18:42:10 spyder: @Garbee what else can you tell me about this site
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2012-10-09 18:42:23 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:28 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:28 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:28 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:29 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:29 KoZel99999: This site is occupied by russians :D
2012-10-09 18:42:29 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:30 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:30 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:30 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:31 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:32 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTORGARBAGE COLLECTORGARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:33 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:33 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:33 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:33 Garbee: kerf, Kill it.
2012-10-09 18:42:33 kerf: GARBAGE COLLECTOR
2012-10-09 18:42:40 kerf: хм
2012-10-09 18:42:40 semik: да не будет конца света, нашли же уже календарь до 5738 года
2012-10-09 18:42:49 Hab: XD
2012-10-09 18:42:49 kerf: не работает спам фильтр
2012-10-09 18:42:54 semik: антиспама тут нет
2012-10-09 18:42:54 lampe2: i hope you spamers understand that: ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
2012-10-09 18:43:00 Cembon: stop this pls
2012-10-09 18:43:01 semik: ща буду спамить
2012-10-09 18:43:02 KoZel99999: вот проклятие)
2012-10-09 18:43:03 spyder: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 18:43:05 Garbee: shepazu, Could you take care of kerf?
2012-10-09 18:43:18 semik: отличный канал для спама, ребзы, не обижайтесь ок
2012-10-09 18:43:18 KoZel99999: Конец света снова переносится
2012-10-09 18:43:20 kerf: оу ноу
2012-10-09 18:43:21 KoZel99999: что ж такое
2012-10-09 18:43:23 kerf: нот керф
2012-10-09 18:43:25 kerf: плиз
2012-10-09 18:43:26 tingham: part
2012-10-09 18:43:26 KoZel99999: какая-то неорганизованность :D
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2012-10-09 18:43:33 Garbee: And audio just went down on the stream... :(
2012-10-09 18:43:43 Hab: скоро русский запретят в этом чате
2012-10-09 18:43:44 moneal: Audio back
2012-10-09 18:43:52 lampe2: kerf, semik do you really think that you are funny ?
2012-10-09 18:43:53 KoZel99999: тогда мы положим этот чат
2012-10-09 18:43:57 kerf: how to turn my mum into dad?
2012-10-09 18:44:00 semik: google microsoft nokia samsung итыды итыпы создали спам-чат-канал
2012-10-09 18:44:11 sowingsadness: broken image: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/File:11.png
2012-10-09 18:44:11 kerf: dont care
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2012-10-09 18:44:15 semik: лично я начинаю класть уже через пару минут
2012-10-09 18:44:25 KoZel99999: Этот чат - на самом деле огромная концентрация IT-разума)
2012-10-09 18:44:25 kerf: hah
2012-10-09 18:44:28 KoZel99999: со всего света
2012-10-09 18:44:35 kerf: дааа
2012-10-09 18:44:39 semik: а то как-то скучно мой сайтик без посетителей в последнее время....
2012-10-09 18:44:40 Hab: начало
2012-10-09 18:44:42 kerf: давайте писать хтмл тегами
2012-10-09 18:44:44 kerf: лол
2012-10-09 18:44:48 dvoirys: Client Quit
2012-10-09 18:44:49 KoZel99999: <b>11</b>
2012-10-09 18:44:54 KoZel99999: owww
2012-10-09 18:44:57 KoZel99999: nice try :(
2012-10-09 18:45:15 kerf: <h1>lol</h1>
2012-10-09 18:45:16 semik: <img src="http://image.ru/image.jpg"/>
2012-10-09 18:45:18 Cembon is now known as webNick
2012-10-09 18:45:19 KoZel99999: Блин, забыл. Я же школота. Мне пора уроки делать
2012-10-09 18:45:20 KoZel99999: :(
2012-10-09 18:45:23 kerf: <br/>
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2012-10-09 18:45:29 semik: хахахаха
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2012-10-09 18:45:45 lampe2: paul_irish, shepazu can you pls do something !?
2012-10-09 18:45:57 KoZel99999: lampe2, you have problems?
2012-10-09 18:46:08 Hab: problems?
2012-10-09 18:46:11 kerf: bye new york
2012-10-09 18:46:13 Garbee: KoZel99999, It isn't us.
2012-10-09 18:46:14 lampe2: ...
2012-10-09 18:46:15 kerf: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-09 18:46:34 KoZel99999: Ok, grabee
2012-10-09 18:46:38 webNick: we have spam here, that's the problem
2012-10-09 18:46:41 KoZel99999: * garbee
2012-10-09 18:46:51 KoZel99999: We have russians here, that's the problem
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2012-10-09 18:47:06 Hab: Ау
2012-10-09 18:47:14 lol_ joined
2012-10-09 18:47:15 YsenGrimm: not the russians
2012-10-09 18:47:17 webNick: it's no problem if they're speaking / writing english
2012-10-09 18:47:20 KoZel99999: Да мой юный падаван?
2012-10-09 18:47:27 YsenGrimm: but the use of a language we don't understand
2012-10-09 18:47:35 atakacs: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-09 18:47:43 YsenGrimm: better can't even read :D
2012-10-09 18:47:49 webNick: :D
2012-10-09 18:47:49 KoZel99999: This is russian-english :D
2012-10-09 18:47:49 lampe2: dont feed the trolls !
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2012-10-09 18:48:03 semik: Train  Helper is a free training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 18:48:10 deimb joined
2012-10-09 18:48:12 lol_: \o/
2012-10-09 18:48:13 KoZel99999: There are no trolls
2012-10-09 18:48:21 sonny joined
2012-10-09 18:48:21 KoZel99999: We all programmers
2012-10-09 18:48:28 joey_figaro: You gotta fix that url, Semik.
2012-10-09 18:48:29 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:48:37 KoZel99999: brutal and with hair under nose :D
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2012-10-09 18:48:43 Hab: and designers
2012-10-09 18:48:49 KoZel99999: +1
2012-10-09 18:48:53 Garbee: semik, Can you stop the spam please?
2012-10-09 18:48:54 baho joined
2012-10-09 18:48:59 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:49:07 lampe2: ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º>
2012-10-09 18:49:13 joey_figaro slaps semik around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 18:49:18 KoZel99999: semik can't stop spam, semnik wan't ban
2012-10-09 18:49:19 Hab:  Can you stop the spam please? Где тут спам?
2012-10-09 18:49:27 KoZel99999: Garbee, collect garbage
2012-10-09 18:49:28 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:49:29 KoZel99999: please
2012-10-09 18:49:50 YsenGrimm: Hitler ?!
2012-10-09 18:49:53 joey_figaro: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 18:49:57 semik: Train  Helper is a free physical training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
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2012-10-09 18:50:01 ssweens: part
2012-10-09 18:50:10 YsenGrimm: semik: train-hitler?
2012-10-09 18:50:14 asdasd: привет всем кто не спит :D
2012-10-09 18:50:23 semik: Train  Helper is a free personal assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned personal training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 18:50:25 divya: paul_irish: can you kick the spammers?
2012-10-09 18:50:27 sowingsadness: Ìíå ñòûäíî çà íàöèþ, ãäå ñòîëüêî íåâåæåñòâåííûõ ëþäåé. Ïî÷åìó òàêîå áûäëî íå óâàæàåò îêðóæþùèõ?
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2012-10-09 18:50:45 Hab: Ok guys, good night!
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2012-10-09 18:50:47 lampe2: this chan needs more mods !
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2012-10-09 18:50:49 semik: Train  Helper - free training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 18:50:57 XXx121: hi all friends
2012-10-09 18:51:03 webNick: don't know whats better - normal spam or spam i can't read / understand :D
2012-10-09 18:51:04 Hab: Hi
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2012-10-09 18:51:09 Hank___: yo
2012-10-09 18:51:12 semik: Train Helper is a free physical assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 18:51:14 divya: lampe2: just do /ignore semik
2012-10-09 18:51:39 semik: Train Helper is a free training assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 18:51:44 sowingsadness: divya "IGNORE Unknown command" (
2012-10-09 18:51:47 Hab: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-09 18:51:54 webNick: IGNORE Unknown command
2012-10-09 18:51:59 divya: bah
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2012-10-09 18:52:14 ka3ak: hi all
2012-10-09 18:52:17 divya: i am trying to get semik banned
2012-10-09 18:52:19 divya: sorry.
2012-10-09 18:52:19 Garbee: if ignore does not work, it is your client.
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2012-10-09 18:52:29 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a personal training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 18:52:30 joey_figaro: Hey, ka3.
2012-10-09 18:52:32 divya: shepazu: can you please remove him pls.
2012-10-09 18:52:34 kk_: hi
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2012-10-09 18:52:53 webNick: its like the newusers-log in the wiki, u cant read the rc
2012-10-09 18:52:58 semik: Train  Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:53:10 Volvox is now known as Guest4833
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2012-10-09 18:53:18 webNick: what client r u using?
2012-10-09 18:53:19 kk_: Client Quit
2012-10-09 18:53:23 joey_figaro: Semik, your application is poorly realized. Go finish it before you advertise.
2012-10-09 18:53:23 sowingsadness: Opera
2012-10-09 18:53:25 semik: Train Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:53:26 raul: hi
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2012-10-09 18:53:36 raul is now known as Guest39790
2012-10-09 18:53:43 joey_figaro: Hey, raul.
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2012-10-09 18:53:45 lampe2: for xchat /IGNORE semik!*@* all
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2012-10-09 18:53:47 semik: Train  Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a personal training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
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2012-10-09 18:54:09 semik: Train  Helper is a free training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 18:54:20 dehimb: Собачка косточку тащила прочь от кладбищенских ворот, а там уже пропажу ищут и крышки хлопают гробов.
2012-10-09 18:54:21 Guest39790: hmm my nick changed, how come?
2012-10-09 18:54:22 divya: maaan why i cant i do /ignore on irccloud
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2012-10-09 18:54:34 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:54:40 lampe2: divya, try /IGNORE semik!*@* all
2012-10-09 18:54:47 sowingsadness:  /IGNORE semik!*@* all
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2012-10-09 18:54:58 sowingsadness: :(
2012-10-09 18:55:00 lampe2: sowingsadness, without the space
2012-10-09 18:55:04 lowlevel: someone hand semik a +k
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2012-10-09 18:55:42 JAKE_: SDFASDAFSDAF
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2012-10-09 18:55:43 webNick: why does ignore not work in opera? operawiki lists this command
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2012-10-09 18:55:53 seobel: hello Russia!
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2012-10-09 18:56:04 sowingsadness: lampe2 yep. i already tried -(
2012-10-09 18:56:06 mikeyy: well hello!
2012-10-09 18:56:15 semik: Train  Helper - free scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
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2012-10-09 18:56:16 lampe2: sowingsadness, for me it worked :)
2012-10-09 18:56:20 dariush slaps paul_irish around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 18:56:22 sowingsadness: webNick i see in opera IRC client wishlist. Ignore not implemented
2012-10-09 18:56:29 sowingsadness: :(
2012-10-09 18:56:33 lampe2: iam uesing Xchat
2012-10-09 18:56:41 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 18:56:43 dariush: Hello
2012-10-09 18:56:52 Ostap: Client Quit
2012-10-09 18:56:53 mikeyy: what's up with the spam?
2012-10-09 18:56:57 dariush: I cant speak english well
2012-10-09 18:57:00 dima___: plz help with books about html!
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2012-10-09 18:57:03 Garbee: lampe2, Then find the nick, right clicka nd ignore.
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2012-10-09 18:57:06 lol_: привет, есть русские?
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2012-10-09 18:57:08 dariush: but I need help
2012-10-09 18:57:14 dima___: д
2012-10-09 18:57:17 dima___: да
2012-10-09 18:57:26 dima___: чем занимаешься?
2012-10-09 18:57:28 dariush: Russian??
2012-10-09 18:57:29 mikeyy: I don't speak Russian.
2012-10-09 18:57:35 Garbee: dima___, Books are typically bad/outdated.  You are better off using whatwg.org or webplatform.org or any of the contributors sites.
2012-10-09 18:57:36 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:57:41 lol_: думаю с чего начать программирование
2012-10-09 18:57:45 dariush: Persian??
2012-10-09 18:57:53 mikeyy: Why doesn't someone kick this spammer?
2012-10-09 18:57:58 mikeyy: Jesus.
2012-10-09 18:57:59 lampe2: Please write englisch !
2012-10-09 18:58:01 Garbee: mikeyy, It is just a random bot being retarded.  Unfortunately no Ops seem to be around to take care of it.
2012-10-09 18:58:02 divya: because we dont have ops mikeyy
2012-10-09 18:58:03 semik: Train Helper - free scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:58:10 mikeyy: So you are German, lampe2?
2012-10-09 18:58:11 dariush: OK! :)
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2012-10-09 18:58:20 mikeyy: Lame. :(
2012-10-09 18:58:24 semik: Train  Helper is a free physical assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:58:25 lampe2: mikeyy, right now iam in germany yes
2012-10-09 18:58:28 Garbee: mikeyy, Right now only paul_irish and shepazu can but they aren't around.
2012-10-09 18:58:28 sowingsadness: lampe2 it's a trolls :(
2012-10-09 18:58:35 dariush: No Im persian
2012-10-09 18:58:39 Ralt: Remote host closed the connection
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2012-10-09 18:59:07 lampe2: sowingsadness, i know
2012-10-09 18:59:13 divya: romainhuet: haii
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2012-10-09 18:59:21 mikeyy: I picked it up from the, "sch"
2012-10-09 18:59:24 semik: Train Helper - free training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 18:59:25 dariush: I need help
2012-10-09 18:59:26 mikeyy: lampe2
2012-10-09 18:59:28 dariush: please
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2012-10-09 18:59:40 mikeyy: dariush, help with what?
2012-10-09 18:59:41 Garbee: dariush, With what?
2012-10-09 18:59:47 lampe2: haha mikeyy i know its a common error
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2012-10-09 18:59:57 romainhuet: divya: Hey! You're back in SF?
2012-10-09 19:00:03 divya: romainhuet: yaaa
2012-10-09 19:00:12 lampe2: dariush, just ask :)
2012-10-09 19:00:13 mikeyy: lampe2, :). I would like to learn German, but I have no assistance.
2012-10-09 19:00:20 semik: Train  Helper is a free personal assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:00:23 mikeyy: lampe2, guten tag!
2012-10-09 19:00:23 dariush: I want to join to Google play devs, but in Iran I cant
2012-10-09 19:00:41 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:00:49 Garbee: Nice talk on Developers live.
2012-10-09 19:00:50 lampe2: mikeyy, guten tag woher kommst du ? :D iam just asking from where he is :)
2012-10-09 19:01:02 YsenGrimm: i think learning german isn't that easy for non native speakers
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2012-10-09 19:01:10 YsenGrimm: hallo lampe :D
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2012-10-09 19:01:20 lampe2: hello YsenGrimm
2012-10-09 19:01:23 webNick: lampe2 we can talk in the private chat in german
2012-10-09 19:01:24 lowlevel: German isnt' very nice to listen to either.
2012-10-09 19:01:27 Garbee: dariush, Isn't the state blocking it there?
2012-10-09 19:01:29 semik: Train  Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:01:34 mikeyy: lampe2, Ich komme aus Texas
2012-10-09 19:01:37 lampe2: webNick, i wrote you back :D
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2012-10-09 19:01:57 mikeyy: YsenGrimm, agreed... lol
2012-10-09 19:02:00 mikeyy: Very hard
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2012-10-09 19:02:08 YsenGrimm: Gerbee: i think it sounds great :D
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2012-10-09 19:02:22 dariush: in Iran we dont have premission to join.Excuse me I dont know Eng well.
2012-10-09 19:02:25 sowingsadness: https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/ - hm ... strange stream. What did they said about?
2012-10-09 19:02:32 sowingsadness: all about site? oO
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2012-10-09 19:02:55 seich- is now known as seich
2012-10-09 19:03:01 marienz: semik: I think we got it :)
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2012-10-09 19:03:05 semik: Train Helper is a free personal training assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 19:03:10 marienz sighs
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2012-10-09 19:03:14 mikeyy: *sigh
2012-10-09 19:03:16 Garbee: marienz, It is a bot.  It has no sense of reasoning.
2012-10-09 19:03:18 moneal: semik is a bot
2012-10-09 19:03:18 lampe2: is someone into mobile web ui development ?
2012-10-09 19:03:35 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:03:38 mikeyy: If he wasn't on the web platform I would just dos him offline.
2012-10-09 19:03:42 mikeyy: But, yeah
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2012-10-09 19:03:48 mikeyy: Pretty annoying
2012-10-09 19:03:51 marienz: mikeyy: don't do that :(
2012-10-09 19:03:52 dariush: This is googles massege "We're sorry, but this service is not available in your country."
2012-10-09 19:03:52 lowlevel: very
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2012-10-09 19:03:58 lampe2: mikeyy, i wrote you a pm
2012-10-09 19:04:00 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:04:04 ppk_: part
2012-10-09 19:04:06 moneal: shepazu might be able to kick him
2012-10-09 19:04:09 lowlevel: dariush:I got that for a very long time too.. I'm in Canada
2012-10-09 19:04:15 Garbee: dariush, Then there is nothing that can be done.
2012-10-09 19:04:24 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a personal training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 19:04:28 Garbee: It is up to Google to allow your country.
2012-10-09 19:04:29 bnz: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-09 19:04:30 lowlevel: dariush: essentially, Google has decided to not allow you
2012-10-09 19:04:37 Garbee: There are probably legal reasons for it.
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2012-10-09 19:04:43 mikeyy: Is there no PM on the web client?
2012-10-09 19:04:45 Denis__: Client Quit
2012-10-09 19:04:48 lowlevel: based on your geographic location... for any number of reasons
2012-10-09 19:04:52 mikeyy: lmape2, Trying to find it
2012-10-09 19:04:52 semik: Train Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://www.facebook.com/train.helper.service
2012-10-09 19:04:53 lowlevel: yeah, probably legal.
2012-10-09 19:04:55 mikeyy: lampe2*
2012-10-09 19:04:57 Garbee: mikeyy, There is.
2012-10-09 19:05:00 dariush: :(
2012-10-09 19:05:09 lowlevel: dariush: you could always leave Iran.
2012-10-09 19:06:00 mikeyy: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-09 19:06:42 justinBeaudry: mikeyy:  I'm from Austin as well.
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2012-10-09 19:08:48 liam_lynch: hello world
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2012-10-09 19:09:11 justinBeaudry: Hello
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2012-10-09 19:10:30 lampe2: mikeyy, wrote you a test againe
2012-10-09 19:10:31 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
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2012-10-09 19:10:32 marienz: mikeyy: there is, although I forgot how you get at it (try "/query targetnick")
2012-10-09 19:10:32 semik: Train Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:32 znowi: dariush: or use proxy
2012-10-09 19:10:32 semik: Train  Helper - free personal assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
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2012-10-09 19:10:32 fakemarienz: Changing host
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2012-10-09 19:10:50 dariush: I cant leave here in this year, But maybe next year..
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train Helper - free personal assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train Helper - free scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 19:10:50 marienz: oh, sigh. They've kept "/query" but removed the tab bar.
2012-10-09 19:10:50 lampe2: mikeyy, what OS do you use ?
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train  Helper - free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train  Helper - free personal training scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train  Helper is a free personal physical assistant wich allows you to get a personal training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:50 lowlevel: that spam bot is way too chatty
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train Helper is a free physical scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:50 lampe2: just ignore that spammer ...
2012-10-09 19:10:50 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:52 semik: Train Helper is a free scheduling assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cfc9p5qu25dv780al1chgp685uk
2012-10-09 19:10:52 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:53 lowlevel: liam: Sifl says hi.
2012-10-09 19:10:56 semik: Train  Helper is a free personal assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:10:58 semik: Train  Helper - free physical assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://twitter.com/@train_helper
2012-10-09 19:10:58 dariush: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
2012-10-09 19:11:12 joey_figaro: hello, liam.
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2012-10-09 19:11:17 tuantu: hello
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2012-10-09 19:11:23 lampe2: hello
2012-10-09 19:11:31 lowlevel: holy crap
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2012-10-09 19:12:40 YsenGrimm: huh
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2012-10-09 19:14:43 hober: paul_irish: shepazu: could one of you kick the spambot please
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2012-10-09 19:14:52 semik: Train Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a carefully planned training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:14:56 Garbee: hober, They will do it once they are back around.
2012-10-09 19:15:01 gftrwwt: basi qkia irc web client
2012-10-09 19:15:03 Garbee: They can't really miss it now.
2012-10-09 19:15:09 d2m: part
2012-10-09 19:15:10 sdadsa: what is it ?
2012-10-09 19:15:10 Jayflux: hmm no op about again... paul_irish shepazu !
2012-10-09 19:15:11 ThiefMaster: wtf, stupid spammer idiots
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2012-10-09 19:15:32 sdadsa: how did i get here
2012-10-09 19:15:43 sonotos:  /ingnore
2012-10-09 19:15:44 semik: Train  Helper is a free assistant wich allows you to get a training schedule http://train-helper.host-ed.me
2012-10-09 19:15:50 webNick: -n
2012-10-09 19:15:54 moneal: sdadsa: I ask my self that every saturday morning
2012-10-09 19:16:00 lampe2: for xchat /IGNORE semik!*@* all
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2012-10-09 19:16:23 joey_figaro: I tried to get paul's attention on twitter.
2012-10-09 19:16:25 joey_figaro: No luck, it seems.
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2012-10-09 19:16:54 Garbee: They are probably busy and not around their systems.  Give them some time guys.
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2012-10-09 19:17:07 sonotos: hm well it's strange, the other chans here don't have that much spam problems
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2012-10-09 19:17:08 joey_figaro: Oh yeah, I figured. I didn't have any expectations.
2012-10-09 19:17:09 Garbee: Ah, thank you!
2012-10-09 19:17:10 IanJ_ doug, can you make me op?
2012-10-09 19:17:11 Redefined: здарова пасаны
2012-10-09 19:17:13 joey_figaro: :)
2012-10-09 19:17:17 lowlevel: yay!
2012-10-09 19:17:25 Redefined: русаков нету)?
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2012-10-09 19:17:33 Garbee: shepazu, The internets will not forget your bravery this day!
2012-10-09 19:17:35 shepazu: IanJ_: yes, once I figure how
2012-10-09 19:17:39 Redefined: хуеово)
2012-10-09 19:17:41 Garbee: shepazu, +0
2012-10-09 19:17:44 Garbee: +o *
2012-10-09 19:17:47 IanJ_: how about /op IanJ_
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2012-10-09 19:17:59 sonotos:  shepazu /msg nickserv help
2012-10-09 19:18:01 webNick: nice reason
2012-10-09 19:18:11 sonotos:  /msg chanserv help
2012-10-09 19:18:21 ahmadalli: hi
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2012-10-09 19:20:59 sonotos: shepazu:  i would propose to enable guard for the channel /msg chanserv set #webplatform  guard on
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2012-10-09 19:21:07 sowingsadness: sonotos what channel was advertised in very popular rassian tech blog - habrahabr.ru
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2012-10-09 19:21:53 sowingsadness: some sources are down under the traffic after that
2012-10-09 19:21:57 webNick:  /msg NickServ help
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2012-10-09 19:22:17 webNick: ops
2012-10-09 19:22:24 Max64: hi
2012-10-09 19:22:31 Max64: from Moscow
2012-10-09 19:22:34 joey_figaro: bonjour, max
2012-10-09 19:22:48 shepazu: sonotos: ok, I'll look at that
2012-10-09 19:22:50 shepazu: thanks
2012-10-09 19:22:58 sonotos: yw
2012-10-09 19:23:00 joey_figaro: Здравствуйте!
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2012-10-09 19:23:17 sonotos: if you want some hints just msg me
2012-10-09 19:23:59 webNick: http://talk.webplatform.org/ < the logo has the broken link
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2012-10-09 19:29:01 Barnt: I have a question! How many here use a javascript MVC framework? and which one is the best right now?
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2012-10-09 19:34:13 sonotos: hm maybe the webchat was not the best idea
2012-10-09 19:34:24 joey_figaro: Lol, no way.
2012-10-09 19:34:31 joey_figaro: It'll calm down.
2012-10-09 19:34:57 Garbee: sonotos, I find it rarely is.
2012-10-09 19:35:06 webNick: webchat is buggy and not the best idea
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2012-10-09 19:35:25 Tomato: I got back in yeah~
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2012-10-09 19:35:38 ballzack: HELLO
2012-10-09 19:35:42 joey_figaro: Welcome back, Tomato.
2012-10-09 19:35:49 Tomato: Hi joey_figaro
2012-10-09 19:35:54 Tomato: Hi ballzack
2012-10-09 19:35:59 joey_figaro: :}
2012-10-09 19:35:59 sonotos: well a "developer" should be able to use a real irc client, seams the webchat is mostly atracting children
2012-10-09 19:35:59 ballzack: so this is like a general chat?
2012-10-09 19:36:05 ballzack: can i get dates here OR WHAT
2012-10-09 19:36:18 Olegreal: give us a irc:// link )
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2012-10-09 19:36:27 sonotos: ack
2012-10-09 19:36:42 Tomato: woah woah, sonotos, I'm using the webchat.
2012-10-09 19:36:44 Garbee: Olegreal, We asked for one this morning along with some other upgrades to the chat page.
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2012-10-09 19:36:56 sonotos: Tomato: mostly, not only
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2012-10-09 19:37:16 Garbee: Yea, Having a webchat client is fine.
2012-10-09 19:37:17 Tomato: sonotos want to help me categorize pages, it's really fun?
2012-10-09 19:37:17 arpagon: ?
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2012-10-09 19:37:37 lowlevel: I'm on here with the webchat.
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2012-10-09 19:37:54 swd: whats up
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2012-10-09 19:38:09 sonotos: define categorize
2012-10-09 19:38:17 swd: WHATS UP GUYS
2012-10-09 19:38:24 Tomato: Add categories to the bottom of uncategorized pages.
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2012-10-09 19:40:10 Olegreal2: irc://irc.freenode.net/#webplatform )
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2012-10-09 19:40:33 inq: wow! irc!
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2012-10-09 19:40:38 lowlevel: inq: indeed
2012-10-09 19:40:41 sonotos: Tomato: is there a list of uncategorized pages in webplatform.org?
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2012-10-09 19:40:53 Tomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedPages&limit=500&offset=0
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2012-10-09 19:41:41 inq: lowlevel: :)
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2012-10-09 19:42:10 Tomato: I'm mostly just focusing on the svg pages, etc. I'm not really sure what to do with the main pages but I'm sure admins will do something with them later.
2012-10-09 19:42:16 Hdsmma: Привет
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2012-10-09 19:43:09 Tomato: You can add basic templates to them if they are missing as well, that would be really cool.
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2012-10-09 19:43:27 Tomato: Just some easy edits to knock out of the way and it helps people find the pages easier if you get them categorized.
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2012-10-09 19:43:49 jyhj: habra hello
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2012-10-09 19:43:59 Tomato: Hi jyhj.
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2012-10-09 19:44:39 sonotos: Tomato: did you get my direct messages?
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2012-10-09 19:44:53 sdsfsdfsd: hello
2012-10-09 19:44:56 Tomato: Oh sorry, the chat is glitchy for me sonotos so I can't see it for some reason, I'll try to get it to scroll up somehow.
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2012-10-09 19:45:33 sonotos: Tomato: np, not shure how and if the webchat is displaying them
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2012-10-09 19:45:41 phwd: Tomato: use http://webchat.freenode.net/
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2012-10-09 19:47:17 YsenGrimm: hey ho
2012-10-09 19:47:23 CyberAP: Hello everyone! Need a bit of a help. I created a new article but with a wrong address, could someone change it? Here it is: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/border-image
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2012-10-09 19:48:00 Habrahabr: ПРИВЕТ ХАБР!
2012-10-09 19:48:00 CyberAP: Apparently I don't have enough rights I think.
2012-10-09 19:48:02 Habrahabr: ХАБР ПРИВЕТ!
2012-10-09 19:48:04 Habrahabr: ЭЙ!
2012-10-09 19:48:06 Habrahabr: ХАБР
2012-10-09 19:48:07 Habrahabr: ХАБР
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2012-10-09 19:48:08 Habrahabr: ХАБР
2012-10-09 19:48:10 Habrahabr: Я ХАБР
2012-10-09 19:48:11 Habrahabr: КАК СЛЫШНО?
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2012-10-09 19:48:13 Habrahabr: Я ХАБР?
2012-10-09 19:48:16 Habrahabr: ВЫ МЕНЯ ВИДИТЕ?
2012-10-09 19:48:19 Habrahabr: С ХАБРЫ КТО?
2012-10-09 19:48:20 Habrahabr: ЭЙ?
2012-10-09 19:48:22 Olegreal2: Habrahabr все ок!!
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2012-10-09 19:48:23 Olegreal2: )))
2012-10-09 19:48:25 Habrahabr: ЭЙ? ЭЙ?
2012-10-09 19:48:29 Habrahabr: ФУХ
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2012-10-09 19:48:33 Habrahabr: бля, думал не слышно
2012-10-09 19:48:43 Habrahabr: слава чату
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2012-10-09 19:48:50 Olegreal2: это irc.freenode.net канал #webplatform
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2012-10-09 19:50:04 Kitten^^: HI!
2012-10-09 19:50:07 Kitten^^: ok
2012-10-09 19:50:14 Kitten^^: who here?
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2012-10-09 19:50:44 kitten^^: any here?
2012-10-09 19:50:47 Olegreal2: yes)
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2012-10-09 19:50:57 YsenGrimm: nah not really ;D
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2012-10-09 19:51:05 kitten^^: help please
2012-10-09 19:51:16 lampe2: kitten^^, just ask
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2012-10-09 19:51:21 kitten^^: Why low FPS in games HTML5?
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2012-10-09 19:51:46 kitten^^: How develop game with high fps for tablet?
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2012-10-09 19:52:03 lampe2: kitten^^, we need more information: what os what browser what is the implementation of the game etc.
2012-10-09 19:52:14 kitten^^: How develop game on HTML5+ JS with high fps for tablet?
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2012-10-09 19:52:59 kitten^^: i want make little game and paly it with my school froends
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2012-10-09 19:53:08 lampe2: kitten^^, your question is to general
2012-10-09 19:53:13 kitten^^: by internet
2012-10-09 19:53:24 lampe2: i mean to generic
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2012-10-09 19:53:41 kitten^^: and?
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2012-10-09 19:54:12 kitten^^: Any Help Please!^^
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2012-10-09 19:54:17 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: try http://ntt.cc/2011/01/31/66-open-source-javascript-game-engine-for-serious-developers.html/
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2012-10-09 19:55:02 YsenGrimm: i recomend crafty.js
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2012-10-09 19:55:22 kitten^^: its your blog?
2012-10-09 19:55:29 hober: shepazu: yo.
2012-10-09 19:55:34 Severinov: Hello everybody =)
2012-10-09 19:55:34 YsenGrimm: no
2012-10-09 19:55:37 shepazu: hey, hober
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2012-10-09 19:55:43 YsenGrimm: hober: no
2012-10-09 19:55:46 kitten^^: hi^^
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2012-10-09 19:56:04 YsenGrimm: hober: i googled this topic a while ago and found this site
2012-10-09 19:56:05 Karen: Hi
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2012-10-09 19:56:10 hober: shepazu: could you remove the <a> element surrounding Apple in the bullet list on http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/ ?
2012-10-09 19:56:12 kitten^^: what is crafty.js its library?
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2012-10-09 19:56:44 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: yes i think so
2012-10-09 19:56:45 lampe2: kitten^^, its a game engine writen in js
2012-10-09 19:56:52 Tomato: shepazu, who would be the best admin to send messages to about deleting spam pages?
2012-10-09 19:57:03 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: and really easy to use
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2012-10-09 19:57:11 kitten^^: like minecraft?
2012-10-09 19:57:20 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: huh?
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2012-10-09 19:57:33 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: minecraft is a game afaik
2012-10-09 19:57:34 kitten^^: crafty
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2012-10-09 19:58:13 kitten^^: ok its 2d engine?
2012-10-09 19:58:28 kitten^^: he have physics?
2012-10-09 19:58:32 lampe2: kitten^^, crafty has nothing to do with minecraft
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2012-10-09 19:59:46 lampe2: kitten^^, why dont you read first and if you got a question then comeback and then we can help !
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2012-10-09 20:00:28 kitten^^: i need 2d engine
2012-10-09 20:00:32 kitten^^: top view game
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2012-10-09 20:00:49 kitten^^: liki space invaiders
2012-10-09 20:00:54 kitten^^: like
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2012-10-09 20:01:08 kitten^^: i can use crafty?
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2012-10-09 20:01:22 YsenGrimm: yea
2012-10-09 20:01:28 YsenGrimm: *yes
2012-10-09 20:01:29 lampe2: kitten^^, yes crafty is 2d game engine
2012-10-09 20:01:32 lkol: who is this?
2012-10-09 20:01:34 kitten^^: dynamic game yes?
2012-10-09 20:01:35 isin: ?
2012-10-09 20:01:41 kitten^^: have wiki?
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2012-10-09 20:01:55 kitten^^: he is GPL?
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2012-10-09 20:01:58 kitten^^: zlib?
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2012-10-09 20:02:07 lampe2: kitten^^, pls use google first !
2012-10-09 20:02:13 guillom is now known as basile
2012-10-09 20:02:15 kitten^^: ok
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2012-10-09 20:02:24 kitten^^: just maybe u know
2012-10-09 20:02:25 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: http://craftyjs.com/api/
2012-10-09 20:02:32 kitten^^: thx
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2012-10-09 20:02:57 kitten^^: Crafty is distributed under the MIT or GPL license.
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2012-10-09 20:03:06 kitten^^: i not undestand
2012-10-09 20:03:10 kitten^^: MIT or GPL?
2012-10-09 20:03:19 manu-db: You can choose either one, kitten^^
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2012-10-09 20:03:25 manu-db: You can choose to use the MIT license.
2012-10-09 20:03:26 lampe2: kitten^^, GNU General Public License
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2012-10-09 20:03:28 kitten^^: or what?
2012-10-09 20:03:30 manu-db: or you can choose to use the GPL license
2012-10-09 20:03:32 kitten^^: no
2012-10-09 20:03:35 kitten^^: see site
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2012-10-09 20:04:45 manu-db: kitten^^: it's a dual license - you can use whichever licenses works for your project... so if your project is going to be released under GPL, use the crafty GPL license... if your license is going to be distributed with some license that is not compatible with the GPL license, use the MIT license.
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2012-10-09 20:05:11 RevesEX: Hi
2012-10-09 20:05:20 manu-db: kitten^^: If you are going to make your game proprietary, use MIT.
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2012-10-09 20:05:56 manu-db would like licenseplatform.org to be launched after webplatform.org gets its legs.
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2012-10-09 20:06:39 sfas: hey!?
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2012-10-09 20:06:45 YsenGrimm: ho!!
2012-10-09 20:06:51 sfas: Web Platform Chat Jump to: navigation, search  [00:05] qwebirc v0.92 [00:05] Copyright (C) 2008-2012 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project. [00:05] http://www.qwebirc.org [00:05] Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2. [00:05] == *** (qwebirc) Looking up your hostname... [00:05] == *** (qwebirc) Couldn't look up your hostname! [00:05] == Connected to server. [00:05] -adams.freenode.net- *** Looking 
2012-10-09 20:06:55 sfas: why?
2012-10-09 20:06:58 sfas: many times
2012-10-09 20:07:11 bslindgreen: hi, what is the idea with this "web platform.org"?
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2012-10-09 20:07:30 marienz: sfas: ah, looks like the webchat's hitting connection limits again
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2012-10-09 20:07:46 hober: bslindgreen: is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page not clear?
2012-10-09 20:07:49 YsenGrimm: bslindgreen: a all in one wiki about webdevelopment
2012-10-09 20:08:04 kitten^^: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-09 20:08:16 sfas: #########
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2012-10-09 20:08:24 sfas: Web Platform Chat Jump to: navigation, search  [00:05] qwebirc v0.92 [00:05] Copyright (C) 2008-2012 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project. [00:05] http://www.qwebirc.org [00:05] Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2. [00:05] == *** (qwebirc) Looking up your hostname... [00:05] == *** (qwebirc) Couldn't look up your hostname! [00:05] == Connected to server. [00:05] -adams.freenode.net- *** Looking 
2012-10-09 20:08:31 sfas: [00:05] -adams.freenode.net- *** Checking Ident [00:05] -adams.freenode.net- *** Couldn't look up your hostname [00:05] -adams.freenode.net- *** No Ident response [00:05] == ERROR: Closing Link: gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/session (Too many user connections (global)) [00:05] == Disconnected from server: Connection to IRC server lost.
2012-10-09 20:08:35 marienz: sfas: please stop pasting in here
2012-10-09 20:08:42 sfas is now known as kitten^^
2012-10-09 20:08:42 lampe2: o0
2012-10-09 20:08:47 kitten^^: ok
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2012-10-09 20:08:55 kitten^^: bugs here
2012-10-09 20:09:00 kitten^^: me disconnected :((
2012-10-09 20:09:03 kitten^^: cry
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2012-10-09 20:09:05 Garbee: kitten^^, Yes, things are overloaded at the moment and Freenode (our free IRC server provider) doesn't like it too much.
2012-10-09 20:09:09 kitten^^: ^(
2012-10-09 20:09:17 Garbee: Sorry for any inconvenience.
2012-10-09 20:09:51 kitten^^: why?
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2012-10-09 20:09:57 hober: kitten^^: you could try a different freenode server.
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2012-10-09 20:10:07 kitten^^: on channel Ubuntu very many peoples
2012-10-09 20:10:12 kitten^^: and all good work
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2012-10-09 20:10:22 Garbee: kitten^^, Canonical is a special, special beast.
2012-10-09 20:10:24 kitten^^: #ubuntu
2012-10-09 20:10:26 marienz: kitten^^: this is the same network. What's overloaded is the webchat embedded into webplatform.org.
2012-10-09 20:10:27 spindritf: Ubuntu has like a split channel, because there were way too many people in one
2012-10-09 20:10:28 phenomena: Ебать
2012-10-09 20:10:35 Garbee: Yea, We are not Canonical.
2012-10-09 20:10:40 marienz: kitten^^: if you use http://webchat.freenode.net/ and tell it to join #webplatform you'll get here just fine.
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2012-10-09 20:10:47 dievardump: A lot of dev know how to use IRC clients. x-chat, mIRC, pidgin and others. Maybe the best way is to provide this informations on the Chat page instead of "force" them to use the JavaScript IRC
2012-10-09 20:10:53 phenomena: Куда я попал
2012-10-09 20:10:56 phenomena: Куда я попал
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2012-10-09 20:11:22 EHLOVader: generous dievardump to include pidgin in the IRC clients
2012-10-09 20:11:24 marienz: Garbee: it'll also help if your embedded webchat is fixed to pass through the connecting user's address in a way freenode's infrastructure can use
2012-10-09 20:11:33 phenomena: Есть кто с России ёба?
2012-10-09 20:11:33 paul_irish: hey marienz
2012-10-09 20:11:34 Unes: salam bache ha
2012-10-09 20:11:39 spindritf: it's always weird that sites have whole tutorials for configuring your client and won't put the crucal info (channel/networ/server) on top
2012-10-09 20:11:39 Unes: jdfask bvfajkgfalgvajs
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2012-10-09 20:11:45 phenomena: Здарова братан
2012-10-09 20:11:52 phenomena: ebaat`
2012-10-09 20:11:52 Unes: iran
2012-10-09 20:11:53 Unes: lol
2012-10-09 20:11:57 Unes: hehe
2012-10-09 20:11:59 phenomena: RUSSIA
2012-10-09 20:12:00 dievardump: EHLOVader: it's what I use right now. Don't need anything else than highlights and tab.
2012-10-09 20:12:00 EHLOVader: is today just day one for webplatform, and already this sort of response, that is exciting
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2012-10-09 20:12:13 kitten^^: Ubuntu have one channel
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2012-10-09 20:12:19 phenomena: RUSSIA VODKA BALALAIKA
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2012-10-09 20:12:27 kitten^^: phenomana ты троль
2012-10-09 20:12:31 kitten^^: с опеннета наверно поди
2012-10-09 20:12:36 marienz: hi paul_irish
2012-10-09 20:12:41 phenomena: ну да немного) с хабра)
2012-10-09 20:12:43 EHLOVader: dievardump: me too, just catch flak for it a lot
2012-10-09 20:12:46 Olegreal2: part
2012-10-09 20:12:52 chicoxml: ?
2012-10-09 20:12:54 kitten^^: я новость тоже прочитал
2012-10-09 20:13:04 Garbee: marienz, If I were in charge of the chat on the site there would be no webchat. ;)
2012-10-09 20:13:04 kitten^^: ну тут пока не очень обслуживание
2012-10-09 20:13:09 kitten^^: не оч устраивает
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2012-10-09 20:13:24 paul_irish: yeah im convinced of not having webchat as well
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2012-10-09 20:13:41 kitten^^: почему на хабре нельлзя регатся ксати?
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2012-10-09 20:14:06 lampe2: pls write english !
2012-10-09 20:14:09 Garbee: paul_irish, So lets take it down!  and give tons of links and server info and plenty of possible clients for our gracious chatters.
2012-10-09 20:14:13 Garbee: Or to be chatters...
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2012-10-09 20:14:26 phenomena: Вроде зарегистрирваться то можно. Написать нельзя без инвайта
2012-10-09 20:14:31 EHLOVader: topic may need updated about the english stuff too
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2012-10-09 20:14:34 kitten^^: Why gove me crafty.js link?
2012-10-09 20:14:37 kitten^^: who?
2012-10-09 20:14:46 YsenGrimm: I
2012-10-09 20:14:48 YsenGrimm: ^^
2012-10-09 20:14:53 paul_irish: shepazu: i'm going to propose this on the public-webdocs list
2012-10-09 20:14:55 harryrf: If I were new and didn't know my way around IRC, I would probably not bother.
2012-10-09 20:14:55 kitten^^: вот да  зачем таи эти инвайты
2012-10-09 20:14:58 kitten^^: он запирили уже
2012-10-09 20:15:07 kitten^^: и вк тоже самое теперь:(
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2012-10-09 20:15:46 Garbee: I hope my singup to the mailing list went through.
2012-10-09 20:15:51 Ser_P: Hi thre
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2012-10-09 20:15:53 phenomena: :) ну типа отсеять профи от не профи, хрен их разберешь. Вк скорее всего использует чтоб отсеивать ботов.
2012-10-09 20:15:54 kitten^^: ты если собрался толсто троллить тут то тебя забанят
2012-10-09 20:15:58 marienz: Garbee: I'm not really sure why they didn't just embed freenode's (there's a few tweaks to attempt to hide the tab bar, looks like, but it doesn't quite work)
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2012-10-09 20:16:04 kitten^^: а тор заблочен на фриноде
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2012-10-09 20:16:14 kitten^^: там какие чуваки из финляндии вроде..
2012-10-09 20:16:17 ItIsVerryBuggy: part
2012-10-09 20:16:22 kitten^^: насолили сильно:)
2012-10-09 20:16:27 Garbee: marienz, I'm just personally against webchat like that.  If it were subway though....
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2012-10-09 20:16:48 kitten^^: я на убунту канале спрашивал
2012-10-09 20:16:51 kitten^^: #ubuntu
2012-10-09 20:16:52 phenomena: Я сейчас ухожу уже, больше хулиганить не буду :) Я так - тестировал кто тут их России. Как видишь мы с тобой вдвоем оказались :)
2012-10-09 20:16:56 chicoxml: :)
2012-10-09 20:16:57 dontcallmedom: Remote host closed the connection
2012-10-09 20:16:58 kitten^^: а
2012-10-09 20:17:05 kitten^^: ты видишь
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2012-10-09 20:17:08 kitten^^: тут людей мало
2012-10-09 20:17:12 kitten^^: в основном боты
2012-10-09 20:17:20 kitten^^: общаются человек может 20
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2012-10-09 20:17:40 chicoxml: this site use websocket ?
2012-10-09 20:17:44 harryrf: paul_irish can I quickly PM you?
2012-10-09 20:17:49 kitten^^: ты забыл добавить вконце
2012-10-09 20:17:49 paul_irish: ya
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2012-10-09 20:18:05 kitten^^: ак-47 и с-300
2012-10-09 20:18:08 EHLOVader: Я лихорадочно использую Google Translate, YU NO-английски?
2012-10-09 20:18:09 paul_irish: kitten^^:  phenomena: english only please.  #webplatform-ru if you want
2012-10-09 20:18:15 phenomena: :)
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2012-10-09 20:18:20 chicoxml: ?
2012-10-09 20:18:21 kitten^^: омг
2012-10-09 20:18:38 EHLOVader: :)
2012-10-09 20:18:41 kitten^^: нас тут читать могут американские шпионы :)
2012-10-09 20:18:48 phenomena: paul irish hello vodka putin balalaika yandex
2012-10-09 20:19:07 kitten^^: ща тебя за спам или флуд...
2012-10-09 20:19:07 phenomena: bye bye )
2012-10-09 20:19:12 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-09 20:19:12 dievardump: paul_irish: Maybe we can use both. IRC is kind of "old" now, and less attractive than before for new devs. But just providing the server and the room name on the page, before the "Nickname" would be helpful. People who know IRC would use them with clients instead of webchat. And IRC neophytes will be able to reach us by using webchat.
2012-10-09 20:19:16 kitten^^: у тебя динамик айпи?
2012-10-09 20:19:18 ABeta: hello from czech republic :)
2012-10-09 20:19:23 YsenGrimm: WebPlatform.org  Day 1 stats: * 86k visitors * 720k page views * 7K new users * 280 editors * 2,036 pages, 11K edits Thanks!
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2012-10-09 20:19:32 phenomena: yes dynamic
2012-10-09 20:19:35 chicoxml: This site uses WebSocket
2012-10-09 20:19:39 kitten^^: адсл?
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2012-10-09 20:19:41 chicoxml: ?
2012-10-09 20:19:48 kitten^^: на убунте весело канале
2012-10-09 20:19:55 kitten^^: но банить стали быстрее
2012-10-09 20:19:59 kitten^^: в последнее время
2012-10-09 20:20:01 marienz: dievardump: that's actually there already, see http://talk.webplatform.org/ . It's just hidden away a little.
2012-10-09 20:20:09 kitten^^: я спрашивал как поставить убунта на мой вибратор
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2012-10-09 20:20:25 Suprememaster: salam alaykum people
2012-10-09 20:20:26 Canova: hey guys
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2012-10-09 20:20:38 EHLOVader: marienz: typo " Visit our ommunity-driven" on that page
2012-10-09 20:20:40 phenomena: ща и нас забанят, ладно я позже буду :) На вибратор)))) ну ты еще покруче меня отжигаешь
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2012-10-09 20:20:52 Canova: whats up?
2012-10-09 20:20:53 kitten^^: это ещё цветочки
2012-10-09 20:20:54 kitten^^: давай
2012-10-09 20:20:55 dievardump: marienz: yes, but more than a little. could be on the prominent "Chat" page.
2012-10-09 20:20:58 marienz: EHLOVader: I'm pretty sure I can't edit that page :)
2012-10-09 20:21:02 kitten^^: whats down?
2012-10-09 20:21:13 phenomena: please speak russian!
2012-10-09 20:21:17 EHLOVader: marienz:  just tape the printed out C on the screen next to it like I did
2012-10-09 20:21:23 kitten^^: Who helped me with game engine?
2012-10-09 20:21:24 marienz: dievardump: right, I actually found that via that "chat" page. I wish the "chat" links would go to http://talk.webplatform.org/, not http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-09 20:21:26 b2m9: short question: somebody asks how to change the url of a page. I guess it works via Edit -> Move?
2012-10-09 20:21:33 kitten^^: help please^^
2012-10-09 20:21:37 Canova: what is this chat window for?
2012-10-09 20:21:38 kitten^^: kittens LOVE U!
2012-10-09 20:21:44 sowingsadness: part
2012-10-09 20:21:44 kitten^^: help please!
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2012-10-09 20:22:02 EHLOVader: ok, ignored some people for sanity
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2012-10-09 20:22:09 chicoxml: This site uses WebSocket?
2012-10-09 20:22:24 marienz: chicoxml: which one, the webchat? No.
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2012-10-09 20:22:30 kitten^^: sock 5?
2012-10-09 20:22:33 Garbee: kitten^^, Continuing to act like a 5 year old will get you nothing.
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2012-10-09 20:22:38 marienz: (unless they've made more extensive changes to qwebirc than I'd expect)
2012-10-09 20:22:45 Ryan_Lane: shepazu, paul_irish can you guys give me rights to op myself?
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2012-10-09 20:23:06 kitten^^: like 12?
2012-10-09 20:23:10 paul_irish:  i need founder rights back to do that.
2012-10-09 20:23:16 kitten^^: help pleaes^^
2012-10-09 20:23:22 paul_irish: asking doug..
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2012-10-09 20:23:31 kitten^^: How develop on HTML5?
2012-10-09 20:23:37 Canova: anyone knows asp.net mvc here? :)
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2012-10-09 20:23:44 kitten^^: yes i have engine
2012-10-09 20:23:47 kitten^^: crafty
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2012-10-09 20:24:06 kitten^^: i know make little game
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2012-10-09 20:25:06 kitten^^: MEOW^^
2012-10-09 20:25:08 chicoxml: ?
2012-10-09 20:25:29 justinBeaudry: Yeah I think the web chat is inviting too much unneeded attention. :/
2012-10-09 20:25:31 kitten^^: HELP PLEASE I GOOD!
2012-10-09 20:25:34 YsenGrimm: kitten^^: the best way to learn is read sample code or other projects
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2012-10-09 20:25:57 kitten^^: sourceforge?
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2012-10-09 20:26:13 Garbee: paul_irish, If you guys mark people as +o with chanserv in the room it should automatically give you those privliges back once you leave and rejoin.
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2012-10-09 20:26:27 Garbee: Since chanserv is guarding now.
2012-10-09 20:26:35 phwd: There are examples given at crafty: http://craftyengine.com/tutorial/bananabomber/create-a-game
2012-10-09 20:26:37 kitten^^: i want site with examples HTML5 games
2012-10-09 20:26:39 kitten^^: please
2012-10-09 20:26:41 EHLOVader: Garbee:  +O right
2012-10-09 20:26:56 paul_irish: afaik i need to op them at the channel ACL
2012-10-09 20:26:57 EHLOVader: +o means they have to msg chanserv to op themselves
2012-10-09 20:27:05 EHLOVader: iirc
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2012-10-09 20:27:28 EHLOVader: chanserv is a bad guard too
2012-10-09 20:27:32 kitten^^: post here examples too please
2012-10-09 20:27:43 kitten^^: on site
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2012-10-09 20:27:49 kitten^^: DOCS
2012-10-09 20:27:51 kitten^^: in DOCS
2012-10-09 20:27:59 paul_irish: kitten^^: http://buildnewgames.com/
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2012-10-09 20:28:12 paul_irish: kitten^^: please be quieter.
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2012-10-09 20:28:15 WebMaster: Hello team
2012-10-09 20:28:18 Lumby: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
2012-10-09 20:28:21 blondewalker: hello
2012-10-09 20:28:31 kitten^^: NYA^^
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2012-10-09 20:28:44 divya:  /kick kitten^^
2012-10-09 20:28:49 kitten^^: ok
2012-10-09 20:28:52 kitten^^: hey
2012-10-09 20:28:55 kitten^^: no:)
2012-10-09 20:29:13 kitten^^: hi
2012-10-09 20:29:14 phwd: there is an example on webplatform http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/canvas_notearsgame
2012-10-09 20:29:21 chicoxml: This site uses WebSocket?
2012-10-09 20:29:27 justinBeaudry: Does anyone know when the first Doc Sprint will be?
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2012-10-09 20:29:56 logset: buenas. alguien en cristiano?
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2012-10-09 20:30:04 chicoxml: si
2012-10-09 20:30:05 chicoxml: yo
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2012-10-09 20:30:14 logset: mira que bien
2012-10-09 20:30:16 phenomena: sosi
2012-10-09 20:30:29 logset: como va el tema?
2012-10-09 20:30:33 kitten^^: oui
2012-10-09 20:30:37 chicoxml: llegue ahora
2012-10-09 20:30:45 kitten^^: vot ti i vernulsya druge
2012-10-09 20:31:12 kitten^^: ты пришёл?
2012-10-09 20:31:19 EHLOVader: there should be some I18n standard for this room
2012-10-09 20:31:24 logset: phenomena que te cuentas?
2012-10-09 20:31:42 phwd: justinBeaudry: I think it was mentioned in the Google Talk
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2012-10-09 20:31:44 kitten^^: he not espaniol
2012-10-09 20:31:45 chicoxml: logset en que programas?
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2012-10-09 20:32:06 justinBeaudry: I thought so. I'll rematch it again and update. Thanks.
2012-10-09 20:32:18 justinBeaudry: err… *rewatch
2012-10-09 20:32:21 kitten^^: феноменка ты делал игры на хтмл5?
2012-10-09 20:32:22 phwd: check the last 10 mins
2012-10-09 20:32:24 logset: asp por obligacion
2012-10-09 20:32:30 brianarn: "Goodbye, cruel world"
2012-10-09 20:32:35 peterlubbers: JustinBeadry: SFHTML5 is organizing one in San Francisco (and online) on November 3rd. Details will be posted soon: http://www.sfhtml5.org/
2012-10-09 20:32:37 logset: y tu?
2012-10-09 20:32:37 chicoxml: de que paies eres
2012-10-09 20:32:40 chicoxml: php
2012-10-09 20:32:44 chicoxml: javascript
2012-10-09 20:32:59 kitten^^: dart
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2012-10-09 20:33:26 chicoxml: sabes que es websocket ?
2012-10-09 20:33:39 kitten^^: add many tutorials for game developing please^^
2012-10-09 20:33:44 kitten^^: in DOCS!
2012-10-09 20:33:49 Garbee: paul_irish and shepazu, I think we really need to come up with some rules.  It has been *insane* at times today.
2012-10-09 20:33:51 kitten^^: ok?
2012-10-09 20:33:52 justinBeaudry: @peterlubbers:  Thank you for saving me the time.
2012-10-09 20:34:11 ppk_: How do you block users, anyway? Can't find it in the help files?
2012-10-09 20:34:23 shepazu: ppk_: are you ppk?
2012-10-09 20:34:26 harryrf: try /ingore maybe?
2012-10-09 20:34:29 ppk_: shepazu: yes
2012-10-09 20:34:32 phwd: kitten^^: sure it will happen in time, when more contributors come in
2012-10-09 20:34:35 ppk_: And / ignore doesn't work
2012-10-09 20:34:35 harryrf: ingore*
2012-10-09 20:34:39 harryrf: ugh
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2012-10-09 20:34:41 paul_irish: shepazu: pm ?
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2012-10-09 20:35:04 kitten^^: DOCS have open licences?
2012-10-09 20:35:09 kitten^^: CC?
2012-10-09 20:35:14 paul_irish: cc-by, yes
2012-10-09 20:35:18 kitten^^: creative common?
2012-10-09 20:35:19 harryrf: paul_irish: Did you get my PM ?
2012-10-09 20:35:20 ppk_: shepazu: You made me an op?
2012-10-09 20:35:23 kitten^^: ok
2012-10-09 20:35:26 kitten^^: ^^
2012-10-09 20:35:29 shepazu: sorry, ppk_
2012-10-09 20:35:38 ppk_: I must warn you that I've never moderated a chat before.
2012-10-09 20:35:48 shepazu: ppk_: don't let the power go to your head
2012-10-09 20:35:57 ppk_: Guess so.
2012-10-09 20:36:14 ppk_: If it were entirely up to me I'd immediately kick of one or two users.
2012-10-09 20:36:20 ppk_: But I suppose that would be bad taste.
2012-10-09 20:36:23 justinBeaudry: If there's more moderators needed I could help as well. I'm always on freenode. :)
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2012-10-09 20:36:42 kitten^^: феномен ты тут?
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2012-10-09 20:37:04 chicoxml: @paul_irish this site uses websocket ?
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2012-10-09 20:37:07 harryrf: be back later
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2012-10-09 20:37:30 EHLOVader: +m may help some
2012-10-09 20:37:34 sethetter: Does anyone know if any of the issues with the Forums section are being addressed at the moment? Any in particular?
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2012-10-09 20:37:43 EHLOVader: although I think you have to voice everyone you want to let talk
2012-10-09 20:37:44 Garbee: EHLO, that would just shut everyone up.
2012-10-09 20:37:58 EHLOVader: I am tired of hearing your font Garbee
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2012-10-09 20:38:17 EHLOVader: but I have seen it work, apparently you can add voice and chanserv will voice upon return
2012-10-09 20:38:20 Garbee: EHLO, So stop following me into every possible chatroom I hang out in.
2012-10-09 20:38:23 EHLOVader: through the access list
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2012-10-09 20:38:39 EHLOVader: I can't join so many channels Garbee...
2012-10-09 20:38:47 Garbee: EHLO, Yes I am epic.
2012-10-09 20:38:54 Garbee: ##twbs too is fun.
2012-10-09 20:38:57 EHLOVader: or op so many
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2012-10-09 20:39:10 Garbee: EHLO, I honestly don't mind dude.  It is nice to have familiar faces around.
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2012-10-09 20:39:27 utkarshc: Great post Paul on the WPD!
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2012-10-09 20:39:59 Amishashashin: I hope this grows quickly
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2012-10-09 20:40:58 Garbee: Amishashashin, It already has grown pretty reapidly in just a day.  Hopefully it just continues.
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2012-10-09 20:41:26 utkarshc: Yeah ! This is awesome!
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2012-10-09 20:42:13 Amishashashin: I wonder if Triangulito is here
2012-10-09 20:42:17 justinBeaudry: I can't wait for the first doc sprint.
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2012-10-09 20:44:47 Pavlo: Hi! Sorry for stupid question. Is it IRC based chat?
2012-10-09 20:44:52 eternicode: yes
2012-10-09 20:44:58 eternicode: #webplatform on freenode
2012-10-09 20:45:18 utkarshc: You can use erc with emacs
2012-10-09 20:45:34 Garbee: Pavlo, That is completely not stupid unless you invented the client.... then it is pretty stupid.
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2012-10-09 20:45:48 utkarshc: or just Colloquy
2012-10-09 20:46:00 Caio_Weslley_Br: Hi everybody :)
2012-10-09 20:46:01 Garbee: Updating the chat page is one thing that is being worked on to make things a bit clearer for everyone.
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2012-10-09 20:48:08 EHLOVader: Garbee: if logging on the client stuff kinda gives it away...
2012-10-09 20:48:21 EHLOVader: I would show but imgur is over capacity as is normal this time of the day
2012-10-09 20:48:27 EHLOVader: also says there are too many user connections
2012-10-09 20:48:33 EHLOVader: are all of us in here on webchat?
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2012-10-09 20:49:00 danbri2: the webchat page should give normal IRC connection details too
2012-10-09 20:49:07 EHLOVader: it does
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2012-10-09 20:49:22 EHLOVader: sort of
2012-10-09 20:49:27 EHLOVader: you mean to choose channel etc
2012-10-09 20:49:30 Garbee: EHLO, I doubt most here are on webchat considering it didn't even work until this afternoon.
2012-10-09 20:49:34 EHLOVader: [16:46] -hitchcock.freenode.net- *** No Ident response[16:46] == ERROR: Closing Link: gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/session (Too many user connections (global))
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2012-10-09 20:49:46 danbri2: I only realised it was freenode when I got a nickname clash
2012-10-09 20:49:48 danbri: me too
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2012-10-09 20:49:49 Ryan_Lane: www1 is gone \o/
2012-10-09 20:49:54 phwd: I'm on irssi
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2012-10-09 20:50:08 EHLOVader: lol, danbri and danbri2
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2012-10-09 20:50:16 tsingh: i ended up switching to the a client once i saw the channel was on freenode
2012-10-09 20:50:24 danbri: is there any relationship to http://www.w3.org/community/webed/ ?
2012-10-09 20:50:24 paul_irish: gj Ryan_Lane!
2012-10-09 20:50:41 Ryan_Lane: ty
2012-10-09 20:50:45 Garbee: See, I found out about webplatform from Paul's blog, so when I saw chat I kinda knew it was Freenode since I know he hangs out in #html5... And by hangs out I mean lurks.
2012-10-09 20:50:50 paul_irish: danbri: its chair chris mills, has been instrumental in this site
2012-10-09 20:50:57 danbri: great
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2012-10-09 20:51:11 danbri: i was loosly following the CG and it seemed to be going well
2012-10-09 20:51:17 paul_irish: yse
2012-10-09 20:51:21 paul_irish: *yes
2012-10-09 20:51:24 danbri: how much wiki-style chaos is expected?
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2012-10-09 20:51:34 Ryan_Lane: paul_irish: is anyone moderating the blog comments?
2012-10-09 20:51:37 Ryan_Lane: I see a bunch pending
2012-10-09 20:51:41 danbri: like i'd be interested to contrib around microdata/rdfa
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2012-10-09 20:51:50 paul_irish: Ryan_Lane: nobody is afaik.
2012-10-09 20:51:57 danbri: but i don't know if there's a process, vs 'just edit away... and if it sticks, it sticks'
2012-10-09 20:51:59 Ryan_Lane nods
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2012-10-09 20:52:04 Lucas: hello
2012-10-09 20:52:12 Lucas: hello
2012-10-09 20:52:17 paul_irish: danbri: best to discuss here first
2012-10-09 20:52:22 paul_irish: but
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2012-10-09 20:52:29 paul_irish: be bold! do it
2012-10-09 20:52:32 Lucas: help in javascript please
2012-10-09 20:52:37 Garbee: I think we should discuss organization.  Beyond that throw it in.
2012-10-09 20:52:38 wwwnoob: part
2012-10-09 20:52:43 danbri: <b>ok...
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2012-10-09 20:53:01 danbri knows you all want that tag closed
2012-10-09 20:53:05 divya: we need more forum moderators
2012-10-09 20:53:32 divya: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1199/
2012-10-09 20:53:34 divya: e.g.
2012-10-09 20:53:34 Lucas: The only games to do with javascript?
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2012-10-09 20:54:04 Lucas: The only games to do with javascript?
2012-10-09 20:54:07 figuarnieri: HTML♥
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2012-10-09 20:54:33 loktar: oh man I might have to dig into the canvas stuff
2012-10-09 20:54:34 Garbee: That way Lucas you only need to ask once.  but could you be a bit more precise about what you want please?
2012-10-09 20:54:38 paul_irish: Ryan_Lane: do you know where we add moderator status to folks in the forums?
2012-10-09 20:54:40 utkarshc: @divy Yeah!
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2012-10-09 20:54:54 Ryan_Lane: paul_irish: sorry, I don't really know that software
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2012-10-09 20:55:46 divya: vladikoff: offerred to be one.
2012-10-09 20:55:47 sonotos: paul_irish: /msg nickserv info
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2012-10-09 20:56:21 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-09 20:56:41 sonotos: hm ok, it was somehow close
2012-10-09 20:56:54 sonotos: in very abstract view
2012-10-09 20:56:56 sonotos: hrhr
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2012-10-09 20:57:10 Lucas__: The google maps using ajax?
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2012-10-09 20:57:41 pdr: Lucas__: yes
2012-10-09 20:57:51 paul_irish: :)
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2012-10-09 20:58:20 sonotos: would be a little slow to load the whole world initialy
2012-10-09 20:58:37 Lucas__: I think it'll take years to create something like google maps
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2012-10-09 20:58:53 sonotos: the software?
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2012-10-09 20:59:16 Lucas__: not
2012-10-09 20:59:28 volkmar_eigler: well yes @Lucas_
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2012-10-09 21:00:29 Lucas__: The algorithm of google search is done in javascript?
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2012-10-09 21:00:46 volkmar_eigler: no
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2012-10-09 21:01:01 Guest61347: so in what language?
2012-10-09 21:01:03 pdr: Lucas__: no, it's serverside but the results are retrieved via ajax
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2012-10-09 21:01:40 volkmar_eigler: can't tell .. maybe php but probely s.th else
2012-10-09 21:01:41 Lucas__: javascript is too complicated
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2012-10-09 21:01:53 volkmar_eigler: javascript is easy ;) ..
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2012-10-09 21:01:59 volkmar_eigler: just get used to it ;)
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2012-10-09 21:02:28 sonotos: volkmar_eigler: definitly not php
2012-10-09 21:02:39 ctoveloz[BR]: someone from canada?
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2012-10-09 21:03:07 volkmar_eigler: yep .. just one name some serverside language
2012-10-09 21:03:17 volkmar_eigler: maybe pear ..
2012-10-09 21:03:18 Lucas__: web platform teaches you everything you need to know javascript?
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2012-10-09 21:04:05 volkmar_eigler: well webplatform just started today .. so it don't tell you EVERTHING
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2012-10-09 21:05:15 Lucas__: the most that I know of is to create a javascript dropdown menu
2012-10-09 21:05:57 volkmar_eigler: http://javascript-array.com/scripts/simple_drop_down_menu/
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2012-10-09 21:06:16 volkmar_eigler: just google it ;) or take my link that i found in google :D
2012-10-09 21:06:29 PedroFelipe: moi
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2012-10-09 21:07:00 Lucas__: for a North American javascript is easy to learn, but to me the difficulty is greater Brazilian
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2012-10-09 21:07:41 volkmar_eigler: really @lucas .. im from europe .. english is not my nativ language ;)
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2012-10-09 21:08:11 volkmar_eigler: It's all about learning hard and take time ...
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2012-10-09 21:08:26 Lucas__: you are good in javascript?
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2012-10-09 21:09:32 volkmar_eigler: declare "good" i'm a professional webdeveloper ..
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2012-10-09 21:09:43 Lucas__: O.o
2012-10-09 21:09:43 Lucas__: I created a little game in javascript http://www.projectlucas.bra.vc/
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2012-10-09 21:09:52 ppk_: Lucas__: Why is it harder to learn JavaScript in Brazil than in the US?
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2012-10-09 21:10:16 Lucas__: javascript is all in English
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2012-10-09 21:10:27 ppk_: Aren't there sources in Portuguese?
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2012-10-09 21:10:36 volkmar_eigler: every Codinglanguage is in English :D
2012-10-09 21:10:41 ppk_: I mean, there's quite a lot of people in Brazil.
2012-10-09 21:10:58 ppk_: Oh, you mean the actual commands in JavaScript itself.
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2012-10-09 21:11:03 ppk_: That can't be helped.
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2012-10-09 21:11:18 isthisthingon: are new accounts for webplatform being queued or moderated? I've tried to create an account twice and can't get my email validated
2012-10-09 21:11:19 Lucas__: Not the programming languages ​​in Portuguese, if I want to be good I have to study more
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2012-10-09 21:11:50 Lucas__: There are programmers Brazilians, but they studied enough
2012-10-09 21:12:12 ppk_: But are there articles about JavaScript in your language?
2012-10-09 21:12:17 Lucas__: O que acham do meu jogo :) http://www.projectlucas.bra.vc/
2012-10-09 21:12:19 volkmar_eigler: well i learned it for about 8-10 years and I'm still learning .. but i have a differenz usage ;)
2012-10-09 21:12:29 Lucas__: my game http://www.projectlucas.bra.vc/
2012-10-09 21:12:30 acidghost: wtf would want to read code written in portuguese??
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2012-10-09 21:12:51 Lucas__: is logical that I would
2012-10-09 21:12:53 acidghost: rofl
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2012-10-09 21:13:15 acidghost: how can you share the knowledge?
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2012-10-09 21:13:20 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__,  kkk que tosco :P
2012-10-09 21:13:27 Lucas__: uaehauh
2012-10-09 21:13:29 Lucas__: um brasileiro
2012-10-09 21:13:34 Lucas__: cara mas é verdade
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2012-10-09 21:13:40 acidghost: i'm italian, but i don't want to read someone's code in italian man!
2012-10-09 21:13:40 Lucas__: é horrível aprender uma linguagem
2012-10-09 21:13:43 Lucas__: se ta tudo em ingles
2012-10-09 21:13:49 Observer_: hi
2012-10-09 21:13:52 utkarshc: .
2012-10-09 21:13:55 Lucas__: you is you
2012-10-09 21:13:59 ctoveloz[BR]: eu aprendo so vendo video aula
2012-10-09 21:14:05 Lucas__: aehauehaeh
2012-10-09 21:14:09 Lucas__: se nao fosse as videos aulas
2012-10-09 21:14:11 ppk_: Anyway, this chat is in English.
2012-10-09 21:14:11 Lucas__: nao sei onde eu estaria
2012-10-09 21:14:19 acidghost: yep
2012-10-09 21:14:23 ppk_: But if you want to set up a chat in Portuguese, please do so.
2012-10-09 21:14:31 Observer_: impressive move from all the companies.
2012-10-09 21:14:34 Lucas__: I'm using google translator
2012-10-09 21:14:45 Coco: not really interesting
2012-10-09 21:14:47 ctoveloz[BR]: mas dei sorte tambem que na empresa onde trabalho sou treinado na linguagem que eu quiser
2012-10-09 21:14:48 Coco: has happened before
2012-10-09 21:14:50 Coco: WHATWG
2012-10-09 21:14:54 ctoveloz[BR]: os caras la sao muito feras e eles me ensinam
2012-10-09 21:15:03 Lucas__: I'm here because I find good people here in some language
2012-10-09 21:15:05 Observer_: I didn't know it now I saw it.
2012-10-09 21:15:05 acidghost: yeah, but this is not really an alpha version of a wiki...
2012-10-09 21:15:27 Lucas__: google translator is horrible
2012-10-09 21:15:35 Lucas__: has many errors
2012-10-09 21:15:37 ppk_: Ah well, we'll all have a lot of work to do before this site will be really good.
2012-10-09 21:15:42 volkmar_eigler: i'm out right now .. have to sleep :D
2012-10-09 21:16:05 volkmar_eigler: already working on a wiki article @ppk_
2012-10-09 21:16:07 Sil_: hey everybody
2012-10-09 21:16:09 Lucas__: now?
2012-10-09 21:16:11 acidghost: it's too much poor of contents! :D
2012-10-09 21:16:16 ppk_: Good!
2012-10-09 21:16:16 Gabe_: In all honesty the layout of the docs is confusing as crap
2012-10-09 21:16:18 Lucas__: you sleep too soon
2012-10-09 21:16:19 Sil_: short question
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2012-10-09 21:16:26 acidghost: where's html5 stuff??
2012-10-09 21:16:36 volkmar_eigler: @Lucas .. its 11:16 pm here
2012-10-09 21:16:37 volkmar_eigler: :D
2012-10-09 21:16:39 Gabe_: if it was more like http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/index.html in terms of navigation it would be MUCH easier to find what you're looking for
2012-10-09 21:16:45 Sil_: if I want an IRC chatroom like this one
2012-10-09 21:16:51 Lucas__: SÓ TEM EU DE BRASILEIRO AQUI?
2012-10-09 21:17:12 Sil_: is there anything special I need to do in JS?
2012-10-09 21:17:19 Lucas__: 'm only here 13 years?
2012-10-09 21:17:28 Sil_: and what about the server side
2012-10-09 21:17:28 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__,  de vez enquando aparece uns aqiui
2012-10-09 21:17:29 Sil_: thanks
2012-10-09 21:17:46 acidghost: @Sil make it with node.js! :)
2012-10-09 21:17:47 Lucas__: você domina qual liguagem?
2012-10-09 21:17:49 volkmar_eigler: so bye for today
2012-10-09 21:18:00 acidghost: with websockets!
2012-10-09 21:18:16 volkmar_eigler: @Lucas .. start learning .. you'll get it in a time
2012-10-09 21:18:24 volkmar_eigler: quit
2012-10-09 21:18:25 Lucas__: What are WebSockets? :/
2012-10-09 21:18:26 ctoveloz[BR]: por enquanto só html, css, javascript e algumas coisas de php
2012-10-09 21:18:34 Sil_: I see
2012-10-09 21:18:42 Sil_: so it's not that easy
2012-10-09 21:18:43 acidghost: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSocket
2012-10-09 21:18:59 ctoveloz[BR]: aff cara mas tu tem 13 anos
2012-10-09 21:19:07 Sil_: I want to use google's appengine.... and it doesn't have websockets...
2012-10-09 21:19:07 Lucas__: http://www.projectlucas.bra.vc/ meu jogo cara
2012-10-09 21:19:12 Lucas__: sou fera kkkkk
2012-10-09 21:19:23 ctoveloz[BR]: nessa idade eu era de uma gang de vandalos uhauhauh
2012-10-09 21:19:30 ctoveloz[BR]: nem tinha pc em casa :P
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2012-10-09 21:19:52 Lucas__: quantos anos vc tem
2012-10-09 21:19:53 Lucas__: lol
2012-10-09 21:19:59 ctoveloz[BR]: 21
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2012-10-09 21:20:26 Lucas__: the English site has lots of information
2012-10-09 21:20:28 1JTAAIBVT: part
2012-10-09 21:20:30 acidghost: what's that thing Lucas__?? :D
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2012-10-09 21:20:51 Lucas__: the sites have little in Portuguese
2012-10-09 21:21:37 Lucas__: I will create a programming language in Portuguese :)
2012-10-09 21:21:49 Lucas__: Brazil sucks
2012-10-09 21:21:51 Lucas__: aueahueheuhe
2012-10-09 21:21:53 Lucas__: odeio o brasil
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2012-10-09 21:23:09 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__,  brasil pra trabalhar ë uma merda mesmo
2012-10-09 21:23:10 ctoveloz[BR]: uhauhauh
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2012-10-09 21:23:20 Lucas__: salario ´é uma merda
2012-10-09 21:23:21 ctoveloz[BR]: aqui na argentina pagam muito melhor :)
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2012-10-09 21:23:30 Lucas__: você mora na argentina o.O
2012-10-09 21:23:41 ctoveloz[BR]: sim
2012-10-09 21:23:44 Lucas__: WILL WORK ON GOOGLE
2012-10-09 21:23:46 Lucas__: nussa
2012-10-09 21:23:48 Lucas__: q lol
2012-10-09 21:23:51 ctoveloz[BR]: vim pra aca atras de uma mulher
2012-10-09 21:23:55 ctoveloz[BR]: e acabei ficando por aqui
2012-10-09 21:23:56 ctoveloz[BR]: uahuhau
2012-10-09 21:23:56 Lucas__: uaheauehueh
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2012-10-09 21:24:01 Lucas__: se tem facebook?
2012-10-09 21:24:06 ctoveloz[BR]: tenho
2012-10-09 21:24:09 Lucas__: qual
2012-10-09 21:24:12 lmclister: part
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2012-10-09 21:24:15 ctoveloz[BR]: vou mandar por inbox
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2012-10-09 21:24:18 Lucas__: ok
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2012-10-09 21:24:41 Lucas__: easy a job at google?
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2012-10-09 21:25:33 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__,  te mandei la
2012-10-09 21:25:49 Lucas__: manda ai teu face
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2012-10-09 21:26:46 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__,  te mandei por outra janela
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2012-10-09 21:27:07 Lucas__: lol
2012-10-09 21:27:07 Gabe_: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-09 21:27:10 Lucas__: uaheuahe
2012-10-09 21:27:13 Lucas__: onde ta essa  janela
2012-10-09 21:27:15 Lucas__: cade
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2012-10-09 21:27:32 Lucas__: manda por aqui
2012-10-09 21:27:44 ctoveloz[BR]: aqui é complecado... muita gente vai ver uhauha
2012-10-09 21:27:48 Lucas__: ninguem vai nem ligar
2012-10-09 21:27:52 ctoveloz[BR]: nam
2012-10-09 21:27:53 ctoveloz[BR]: uhauhau
2012-10-09 21:27:53 Lucas__: no facebok
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2012-10-09 21:27:55 Lucas__: eu te acho
2012-10-09 21:27:57 Lucas__: qual teu nome
2012-10-09 21:27:59 Lucas__: qual teu nome
2012-10-09 21:28:05 justinBeaudry: Can’t get words 3 thru end of "spanish english".
2012-10-09 21:28:12 ctoveloz[BR]: olha o pvt
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2012-10-09 21:28:36 paul_irish: Lucas__: ctoveloz[BR]: english only please :)
2012-10-09 21:28:37 Lucas__: aff cara
2012-10-09 21:28:38 EdmundoJr: it's not spanish @justinBeaudry, is brazilian portuguese
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2012-10-09 21:28:41 ctoveloz[BR]: procura ai na tua tela a janela privada
2012-10-09 21:28:44 Scorpilus: Hi. Any one from the stuff online?
2012-10-09 21:28:46 Lucas__: sorry
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2012-10-09 21:29:01 Lucas__: onde fica ajanela privada
2012-10-09 21:29:05 Lucas__: auehaueahe
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2012-10-09 21:29:16 paul_irish: #webplatform-pt ?
2012-10-09 21:29:23 ctoveloz[BR]: clica ai em cima do meu nick
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2012-10-09 21:29:36 divya: ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas__ please stick to english here people feel excluded otherwise.
2012-10-09 21:29:38 ctoveloz[BR]: e abre uma janela privada
2012-10-09 21:29:56 divya: if you wish to chat in portuguese please create a separate channel and point people to that.
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2012-10-09 21:30:04 ctoveloz[BR]: ok...
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2012-10-09 21:30:14 Lucas__: abriu nao
2012-10-09 21:30:21 ola: ola
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2012-10-09 21:30:39 ppk_: paul_irish: So I should enforce the language?
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2012-10-09 21:30:46 ppk_: And if people don't listen I kick them off?
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2012-10-09 21:31:01 divya: i think i would give a warning first ppk_
2012-10-09 21:31:05 paul_irish: ^
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2012-10-09 21:31:13 ppk_: Yes, of course.
2012-10-09 21:31:15 EdmundoJr: @paul_irish yes man, they are talking about send a link in Facebook
2012-10-09 21:31:29 ppk_: But after the warning I'm allowed to kick them off, right?
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2012-10-09 21:31:41 divya: totes ppk_
2012-10-09 21:31:47 divya: i think paul_irish did it for one of them.
2012-10-09 21:31:48 ppk_: Trying to figure out the rules here; I'm not a heavy chat user.
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2012-10-09 21:32:12 divya: :)) totally ppk_
2012-10-09 21:32:14 divya: srry
2012-10-09 21:32:15 paul_irish: i also like /mode +q nick   .... which just mutes them
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2012-10-09 21:32:28 divya: :(
2012-10-09 21:32:30 ppk_: Oh yes, that's better.
2012-10-09 21:32:32 divya: :(
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2012-10-09 21:32:40 ppk_: I meant the command!
2012-10-09 21:32:42 ppk_: The command!
2012-10-09 21:32:44 justinBeaudry: I mute as well.
2012-10-09 21:32:46 divya: :)))))
2012-10-09 21:32:56 divya: ya muting is more polite.
2012-10-09 21:33:07 Scorpilus: so guys, where would you suggest to put a small piece of content about WebSockets?
2012-10-09 21:33:09 mstalfoort: informative live stream peterlubbers, nice one
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2012-10-09 21:33:24 NickyZ: Anyone know how to register nickname
2012-10-09 21:33:32 sonotos: hm list of mods is growing
2012-10-09 21:33:40 paul_irish: Scorpilus: there are some tutorials hanging off topic areas. you could build the tutorial and loop it into the websockets topic
2012-10-09 21:33:51 sonotos: NickyZ: /msg register nickname pwd
2012-10-09 21:34:01 NickyZ: sonotos: Thanks!
2012-10-09 21:34:04 paul_irish: hey mstalfoort :)
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2012-10-09 21:34:16 mstalfoort: howdy
2012-10-09 21:34:30 Wizek_: NickyZ: be very carefil not to expose your password in in a public room
2012-10-09 21:34:37 Wizek_: *careful
2012-10-09 21:34:46 NickyZ: Wizek_: I am thinking about that
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2012-10-09 21:35:02 NickyZ: Wizek_: have a better idea?
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2012-10-09 21:35:05 sonotos: i forgot nickserv
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2012-10-09 21:35:33 Tomato: Hey friends.
2012-10-09 21:35:35 sonotos: NickyZ: try "/msg nickserv help register" for all infos
2012-10-09 21:36:05 Scorpilus: paul_irish: k, thanks
2012-10-09 21:36:21 expert: hi guys
2012-10-09 21:36:37 justinBeaudry: Syntax here is /msg /nickserv register <nick> <password> <email>
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2012-10-09 21:37:01 NickyZ: with the / in from of nickserv?
2012-10-09 21:37:06 sonotos: NickyZ: no
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2012-10-09 21:37:25 justinBeaudry: Sonotos is correct, my mistake.
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2012-10-09 21:37:59 mstalfoort: NickyZ, for more info you can have a look here http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
2012-10-09 21:38:15 NickyZ: Thanks for the help
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2012-10-09 21:38:34 sonotos: NickyZ: NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address> Example: /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
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2012-10-09 21:38:49 sonotos: ok now it seams right
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2012-10-09 21:38:52 sonotos: :-)
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2012-10-09 21:38:59 shepazu: divya: please use english in this chat room, not words like "totes" :P
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2012-10-09 21:39:21 Tomato: Hey any wiki admins, I was curious about the two data types templates that are being used, which one is the correct one to use? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Data_Type_Page or http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Data_Type
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2012-10-09 21:40:54 Guest13530: hi
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2012-10-09 21:40:58 Tomato: Hi.
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2012-10-09 21:41:13 sonotos: Tomato: what about the wp pages?
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2012-10-09 21:41:33 igor__: hi there
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2012-10-09 21:41:34 shepazu: Tomato: I think http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Data_Type
2012-10-09 21:41:44 Tomato: sonotos, I just ignored them because I wasn't sure where to put them, I figured if someone wanted to put them in a category like an admin, they'll do it.
2012-10-09 21:41:53 Tomato: Thanks shepazu.
2012-10-09 21:42:02 shepazu: we need better docs on the different templates
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2012-10-09 21:42:09 Guest13530: have demo for all tag html5 ?
2012-10-09 21:42:13 sonotos: Tomato: maybe WPSystem, i hate it to break a pattern
2012-10-09 21:42:37 igor__: i think html5 dev is tool slow
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2012-10-09 21:42:40 Wizek: hello
2012-10-09 21:42:55 igor__: we need to see more html5
2012-10-09 21:43:06 Tomato: That might be right, did the admins already put the wp pages in there?
2012-10-09 21:43:14 igor__: like in a mob devices
2012-10-09 21:43:18 sonotos: Tomato: nope
2012-10-09 21:43:30 igor__: dont you think?
2012-10-09 21:43:30 sonotos: hm can we even edit them?
2012-10-09 21:43:42 Tomato: I'm not sure, probably not, a lot of those pages are protected, haha.
2012-10-09 21:43:44 ay: not sure
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2012-10-09 21:44:29 sonotos: hm maybe we should add patch to mediathek to precategorize the wp pages
2012-10-09 21:44:47 igor__: thats my impression, that html5 is nice, but not lachued
2012-10-09 21:44:58 igor__: hope to see more
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2012-10-09 21:45:11 mstalfoort: is rakaz on board with his html5test results?
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2012-10-09 21:45:44 sonotos: makes not really sence to keep them uncategorized and pollute the uncategorized page
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2012-10-09 21:45:58 Tomato: They could add something in a template to make them automatically categorize, sadly users can't edit templates right now, but shepazu mentioned earlier that they'll look for community admins that can help with templates. You could also probably try asking an admin to edit them or something.
2012-10-09 21:46:33 Tomato: Also, sonotos, there's a bunch of strange pages stuck in the uncategorized area that I'm not sure what to do with, a lot of them look like they should be deleted. ;;
2012-10-09 21:46:44 sonotos: Tomato: ack
2012-10-09 21:46:50 sonotos: like testpage user xy
2012-10-09 21:46:54 Tomato: Yeah.
2012-10-09 21:47:05 sonotos: that's waste
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2012-10-09 21:47:07 shepazu: mark them for deletion :)
2012-10-09 21:47:09 ctoveloz[BR]: http://baconipsum.com/
2012-10-09 21:47:10 ctoveloz[BR]: lol
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2012-10-09 21:47:15 sonotos: i mean garbage
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2012-10-09 21:47:35 sonotos: some of them could be placeholders
2012-10-09 21:48:00 shepazu: sonotos: no harm in marking them for deletion, admins can decide
2012-10-09 21:48:12 Tomato: Test pages should probably be made on the namespace so they don't show up on the "main"space of the wiki like that, I think the users just didn't realize and accidentally did it.
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2012-10-09 21:48:37 Tomato: or on the "user" space i guess
2012-10-09 21:48:58 sonotos: looks like
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2012-10-09 21:49:34 Flpms: What thinking about selective loading for html5
2012-10-09 21:49:48 sonotos: ok, i think i should read first some docu about mediawiki / wiki syntaxt / guidelines
2012-10-09 21:49:51 YsenGrimm: by folks
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2012-10-09 21:50:05 Romario: Boa noite
2012-10-09 21:50:14 paul_irish: shepazu: can we add more moderators to the forums? how is that done? i have a few people in mind already
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2012-10-09 21:50:55 sonotos sneaks in paul_irishs mind
2012-10-09 21:51:03 Tomato: shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Flags on this page it says to click edit to see the flags, but I can't click edit anywhere and it's hard to navigate to, is there any way to make it so we can push "view source"?
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2012-10-09 21:51:43 Nick_Zaccardi: So I am wondering.  I am looking at the HTML page on the docs... to what detail should we add.  It talks briefly about the Background, but I doubt we want to give a full history of HTML.  Thoughts?
2012-10-09 21:51:48 AWSullivan: Okay... so webplatform.org is an irc channel? ;)
2012-10-09 21:51:54 mstalfoort: ppk_, awesome fronteers again this year, had a very good time again
2012-10-09 21:52:19 Garbee: AWSullivan, An IRC channel is one part of it.
2012-10-09 21:52:23 Garbee: It is *so* much more.
2012-10-09 21:52:31 Garbee: But, do feel free to love us anyways.
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2012-10-09 21:53:02 AWSullivan: <3
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2012-10-09 21:53:08 shepazu: paul_irish: ultimately, once we get the SSO working, all admins will be forum admins too
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2012-10-09 21:53:32 shepazu: but in the meantime...
2012-10-09 21:53:35 paul_irish: :)
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2012-10-09 21:53:59 sonotos: shepazu: what are you using?  x.509 certs
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2012-10-09 21:54:23 Garbee: Hopefully I can have things tidied up at the shop here so I can chat the rest of the night.  See you guys in hopefully 30 minutes.
2012-10-09 21:54:27 justinBeaudry: I left the room via my client and now I'm no longer a mod. :(
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2012-10-09 21:55:04 deblan_: Hi! On which server the chan is please?
2012-10-09 21:55:06 sonotos: it's possible to give access levels for chans to registered users
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2012-10-09 21:55:20 paul_irish: sonotos: what do you mean
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2012-10-09 21:55:31 deblan_: thanks
2012-10-09 21:55:34 yerson: hi :)
2012-10-09 21:56:05 sonotos: paul_irish: if you want to give persistent op rights to users you can increase their access level in a channel
2012-10-09 21:56:15 sonotos: shepazu: is founder he has the highest
2012-10-09 21:56:16 paul_irish: yeah i plan on doing that
2012-10-09 21:56:26 sonotos: ah ok
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2012-10-09 21:57:30 deblan: a true irc client :)
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2012-10-09 21:58:56 Tomato: shepazu, if subpages are enabled, can't people just add the mediawiki language tags after a page to start translating? For example like.. CSS/jp for a japanese page.
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2012-10-09 21:59:14 Hidoussi: Hi
2012-10-09 21:59:18 Agm114K2A: Hey
2012-10-09 21:59:19 be: i create a chat like this with js
2012-10-09 21:59:25 ThatGuyMeho: that tha hell is web platform
2012-10-09 21:59:28 be: in realtime
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2012-10-09 21:59:43 sonotos: is webplatform defined als everything that runs in the browser or would be content about server side programming languages also interesting?
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2012-10-09 22:00:06 ThatGuyMeho: be this is an irc chat so it definatly involves more than just js
2012-10-09 22:00:23 mstalfoort: sonotos, primary focus is frontend
2012-10-09 22:00:40 Agm114K2A: You can probably make something with JS that works with an IRC server
2012-10-09 22:00:45 sonotos: mstalfoort: thx
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2012-10-09 22:00:58 be: not
2012-10-09 22:01:05 be: my solution is more simple
2012-10-09 22:01:14 sonotos: Agm114K2A: not as long the irc server has no http interface
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2012-10-09 22:01:17 ThatGuyMeho: well you could use ajax chat
2012-10-09 22:01:28 Agm114K2A: I'm terrible at front end stuff, mostly backend. I hired a designer for my site
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2012-10-09 22:01:32 be: jus i update a procedure of a database for every 5 seconds
2012-10-09 22:01:33 sonotos:  s/no/a
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2012-10-09 22:02:15 Agm114K2A: Sonotos: true, so yeah it'd be something in there that pushes it via http
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2012-10-09 22:02:36 shepazu: everyone welcome paul_irish, pretender to the throne!
2012-10-09 22:02:38 mstalfoort: there has been a discussions about adding backend languages, but merely in a short informative way and click to other sites with more info about the specific lang
2012-10-09 22:02:43 paul_irish: lol
2012-10-09 22:02:44 Agm114K2A: Sonotos: php or something
2012-10-09 22:02:47 waldir: is there a procedure for requesting admin rights at the wiki?
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2012-10-09 22:03:12 sonotos: Agm114K2A: yes i think so
2012-10-09 22:03:14 be: to script the procedure i use php with mysql
2012-10-09 22:03:19 paul_irish: waldir: not yet.. what do you want admin for
2012-10-09 22:03:21 be: just 50 lines of code.
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2012-10-09 22:03:58 waldir: paul_irish: there are some pages that need deleting, and general cleanup
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2012-10-09 22:04:26 waldir: paul_irish: I have been an active editor and administrator at Wikipedia and several other wikis
2012-10-09 22:04:52 waldir: I just want to help :)
2012-10-09 22:05:06 paul_irish: waldir: sounds awesome :) sure let me dig around
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2012-10-09 22:05:33 Agm114K2A: I'm getting the vibe that wp is like w3schools but user generated
2012-10-09 22:05:39 waldir: paul_irish: the people who can grant adminship are these: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=bureaucrat
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2012-10-09 22:05:41 mstalfoort: paul_irish, shepazu are these chat logs saved in some way? if not, is that wanted?
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2012-10-09 22:05:54 Tomato: waldir, you can mark pages for deletion with the flags.
2012-10-09 22:06:06 Yara162: wassup here ?
2012-10-09 22:06:10 sonotos: waldir: don't missunderstand me, your're right there are several garbage pages, it's just very funny seeing a wp admin coming to delete :-) we had a some nice disussions in germany about deleting
2012-10-09 22:06:13 waldir: Tomato: which ones? I feel a little lost
2012-10-09 22:06:40 waldir: sonotos: hahah don't worry, I'm not a deletionist :P
2012-10-09 22:06:52 Agm114K2A: "Leaving"
2012-10-09 22:07:03 waldir: I am what we call a wikignome, mostly I do uncontroversial maintenance edits :)
2012-10-09 22:07:07 shepazu: mstalfoort:  http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
2012-10-09 22:07:11 sonotos: waldir: :-)
2012-10-09 22:07:16 Tomato: I'm a little lost too, haha, with the Flags template, you can probably just paste this in on a page: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=File:68468856805196873Z4VvJoUzc.jpeg&action=edit here's an example on a spam file.
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2012-10-09 22:07:39 be: here is the function that do the magic
2012-10-09 22:07:41 be: function ()    {     $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow");    }, 10); // 10 milliseconds
2012-10-09 22:07:45 shepazu: mstalfoort: but we want to improve that logger…. if you want to help, let us know
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2012-10-09 22:08:04 Tomato: Also waldir, do you know Pawel, he's an admin on Wikipedia, I used to work with him. o; Maybe you know him.
2012-10-09 22:08:07 zerro911: it is not a magic
2012-10-09 22:08:27 be: why not ?
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2012-10-09 22:08:36 waldir: Tomato: the flags system will probably need a revamp. Having a comma separated string of issues prevents, for intance, categorization into things like [[Category:Pages to delete]], etc
2012-10-09 22:08:41 sonotos: lol
2012-10-09 22:08:54 HockeyInJune: part
2012-10-09 22:09:02 paul_irish: sonotos: in german WP? or in germany in general?
2012-10-09 22:09:04 Tomato: Yeah it obviously needs a revamp, sadly no one can edit the templates so I just tried to work with what was there.
2012-10-09 22:09:09 Tomato: I'll throw it in a category too then.
2012-10-09 22:09:11 mstalfoort: shepazu, i can ping someone who has made something like you just showed me
2012-10-09 22:09:11 sonotos: be: cause we know how it works, that demystifies it a little
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2012-10-09 22:09:41 waldir: Tomato: I don't think I know Pawel (at least i haven't interacted directly with him)
2012-10-09 22:09:44 zerro911: what's the time?
2012-10-09 22:09:45 Nick_Zaccardi: If an HTML attribute is specified on MSDN as something and the spec as something else.  Take the spec word?
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2012-10-09 22:10:32 sonotos: paul_irish: i remeber a longer public discussion about some admins who deleted many even good articles
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2012-10-09 22:10:43 paul_irish: Nick_Zaccardi: probably. what's the example/
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2012-10-09 22:11:02 Nick_Zaccardi: choff should be charoff
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2012-10-09 22:11:08 sonotos: public more in relation to the net people
2012-10-09 22:11:11 Tomato: waldir, oh okay, I thought the wikipedia admins talked to each other.
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2012-10-09 22:11:22 Nick_Zaccardi: Not really a big deal as I think no one uses charoff
2012-10-09 22:11:31 Nick_Zaccardi: but I am just picked one to get started
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2012-10-09 22:11:58 waldir: Tomato: many do. As I said, I tend to mostly do the backstage work, rather than discussion-heavy stuff like blovkings, deletions, etc
2012-10-09 22:12:00 Nick_Zaccardi: paul_irish: W3C spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#adef-charoff
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2012-10-09 22:12:18 paul_irish: ppk_ IanJ_:  i'll need you guys to register your nick /msg nickserv help register
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2012-10-09 22:12:31 sonotos: net people and the german wp
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2012-10-09 22:12:48 paul_irish: sonotos: gotcha ok. just curious. :)
2012-10-09 22:12:56 Nick_Zaccardi: paul_irish: MSDN reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms533557(v=vs.85).aspx
2012-10-09 22:12:58 as: hi all
2012-10-09 22:13:02 zorro911: hi
2012-10-09 22:13:04 waldir: Tomato: besides we are many... Dunbar's number says we can't possibly know each other :P
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2012-10-09 22:13:14 zorro911: what the purpose of this chat?
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2012-10-09 22:13:27 sonotos: chatting
2012-10-09 22:13:33 zorro911: yohhoo
2012-10-09 22:13:35 _cheney: paul, ryan, and divya? i'm awestruck
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2012-10-09 22:13:36 waldir: how do I turn off the entry/exit logs? this channel is so busy!
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2012-10-09 22:13:50 zorro911: dniwe
2012-10-09 22:13:56 Ryan_Lane: _cheney: ?
2012-10-09 22:13:56 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: What client are you using?
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2012-10-09 22:14:07 blondewalker: mIRC
2012-10-09 22:14:07 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: the web-based one
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2012-10-09 22:14:13 IanJ_: Paul, should be done
2012-10-09 22:14:14 Bauce: When will WebPlatform be officially launched?
2012-10-09 22:14:14 blondewalker: how to disable the messages?
2012-10-09 22:14:15 _cheney: just a fan of your works
2012-10-09 22:14:23 Ryan_Lane: Bauce: it is launched
2012-10-09 22:14:28 Ryan_Lane: ah. thanks
2012-10-09 22:14:36 zorro911: good job guys
2012-10-09 22:14:37 paul_irish: IanJ_: with "ianj" right?
2012-10-09 22:14:40 waldir: Ryan_Lane: hey, nice to see you here!
2012-10-09 22:14:43 IanJ_: Actually, I used IanJ_
2012-10-09 22:14:47 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: not sure it can be done in there
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2012-10-09 22:14:48 IanJ_ is IanJ available?
2012-10-09 22:14:54 paul_irish: it looks reggd
2012-10-09 22:14:55 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: give me a moment to look it up
2012-10-09 22:14:56 Ryan_Lane: waldir: you a wikimedia person? an openstack person? :)
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2012-10-09 22:15:03 waldir: Ryan_Lane: wikipedia :)
2012-10-09 22:15:05 IanJ_: I just tried to register IanJ as well
2012-10-09 22:15:06 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-09 22:15:10 waldir: and recently started contributing to mediawiki
2012-10-09 22:15:13 Ryan_Lane: cool
2012-10-09 22:15:20 paul_irish: IanJ_: i dont see ianj_ as registered so far
2012-10-09 22:15:28 IanJ_: how long does it take typically?
2012-10-09 22:15:35 _cheney: instant
2012-10-09 22:15:38 paul_irish: instant i thought.
2012-10-09 22:15:40 paul_irish: hey _cheney
2012-10-09 22:15:48 ppk_: paul_irish: Done
2012-10-09 22:15:49 _cheney: hi
2012-10-09 22:15:50 IanJ_ shoots again
2012-10-09 22:15:52 waldir: Ryan_Lane: I am glad there are mediawiki experts here, the wiki needs some love
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2012-10-09 22:16:03 Ryan_Lane: waldir: I'm actually doing the infrastructure work
2012-10-09 22:16:09 Ryan_Lane: not too much of the mediawiki stuff itself ;)
2012-10-09 22:16:13 paul_irish: thanks ppk_. all set.
2012-10-09 22:16:21 IanJ_: where are you checking if registered?
2012-10-09 22:16:25 waldir: Ryan_Lane: I came here to ask for adminship
2012-10-09 22:16:30 paul_irish:  /msg nickserv info ianj_
2012-10-09 22:16:35 Ryan_Lane: we have Hallo Welt doing the wiki development
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2012-10-09 22:16:45 Ryan_Lane: waldir: cool
2012-10-09 22:16:56 ppk_: paul_irish: Set for what?
2012-10-09 22:17:00 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: What OS are you on?
2012-10-09 22:17:08 ppk_: You're not going to give me even more responsibilities, are you?
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2012-10-09 22:17:13 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: Windows 7 atm, usually Ubuntu
2012-10-09 22:17:14 paul_irish: ppk_: just added you to the auto-op list here. that's all
2012-10-09 22:17:16 sonotos: Ryan_Lane: what means "Hallo Welt" is doing the wiki development? is this a nick?
2012-10-09 22:17:18 Tomato: We're allowed to ask for adminship?
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2012-10-09 22:17:24 Ryan_Lane: sonotos: it's a company
2012-10-09 22:17:26 ppk_: paul_irish: Ah, OK.
2012-10-09 22:17:28 paul_irish: no more responsibilities but you will be able to kick/mute at will :)
2012-10-09 22:17:28 waldir: Tomato: there has to be a way
2012-10-09 22:17:38 ppk_: Yes, good idea.
2012-10-09 22:17:41 waldir: Tomato: especially since this is supposed to be a community thing
2012-10-09 22:17:45 sonotos: Tomato: allowed of course, if you get it is another story
2012-10-09 22:17:46 ppk_: Oh, and how do I message people privately?
2012-10-09 22:17:46 IanJ_ did I do my registration correctly yet?
2012-10-09 22:17:49 Tomato: I have been trying to coax shepazu into unprotecting the templates but it's not working.
2012-10-09 22:17:55 sonotos: Ryan_Lane: funny name :-)
2012-10-09 22:18:00 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: which templates?
2012-10-09 22:18:04 ppk_: I found a command list, but it doesn't have much to do with how this IRC server works.
2012-10-09 22:18:07 Ryan_Lane: if they are used on the main page, it's a bad idea
2012-10-09 22:18:07 waldir: Tomato: I don't think that's a good idea
2012-10-09 22:18:16 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: It appears you can not shut off the join/part messages unless you are on a client.  Here is a list for Win http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-free-irc-clients-windows-7/
2012-10-09 22:18:16 _cheney: IanJ_ when you reg, freenode sends you an email
2012-10-09 22:18:19 be: where can i publich the chat ?
2012-10-09 22:18:23 waldir: We need to make it clear how to request adminship or request assistance from admins
2012-10-09 22:18:27 mstalfoort: ppk_,   /msg <nick> <msg>
2012-10-09 22:18:31 Ryan_Lane: waldir: agreed
2012-10-09 22:18:34 IanJ_ not got email yet...will stay tuned
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2012-10-09 22:18:34 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, like the Flags template, a lot of the templates could be expanded to include automatically categorizing things better, etc. o;
2012-10-09 22:18:43 ctoveloz[BR]: use hexchat
2012-10-09 22:18:46 ctoveloz[BR]: is the best
2012-10-09 22:18:46 ctoveloz[BR]: :)
2012-10-09 22:18:51 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: right
2012-10-09 22:18:53 be: no
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2012-10-09 22:19:04 be: i create a chat from cero
2012-10-09 22:19:10 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: webchat.freenode allows it but there are tabs there, including an "options" one, which seem to be hidden here
2012-10-09 22:19:16 be: and its only 50 lines of code
2012-10-09 22:19:26 be: i wanna share it
2012-10-09 22:19:38 sonotos: be github
2012-10-09 22:19:46 _cheney: IanJ_  after you get the email from freenode to confirm your email address then you need to identify: /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
2012-10-09 22:19:53 sonotos: that's the right place for sharing code
2012-10-09 22:19:53 IanJ_: ok
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2012-10-09 22:19:58 IanJ_: thanks _cheney for tips
2012-10-09 22:20:03 IanJ_ on a call..will try to get this done today
2012-10-09 22:20:03 _cheney: welcome
2012-10-09 22:20:12 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: unfortunate :(
2012-10-09 22:20:32 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: I'm gonna try entering from there
2012-10-09 22:20:58 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: Good luck
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2012-10-09 22:21:13 be: i will call it, chat forever
2012-10-09 22:21:16 Nick_Zaccardi: paul_irish: Any suggestions about the chOff page?
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2012-10-09 22:22:06 paul_irish: Nick_Zaccardi: iunno. for the next week ill be working on larger issues like user mgmt and IA before getting into html specifics :)
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2012-10-09 22:22:25 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: all done :)
2012-10-09 22:22:26 Nick_Zaccardi: paul_irish: of course, I understand.
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2012-10-09 22:22:55 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: Get it figured out?
2012-10-09 22:23:03 achraf: hello
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2012-10-09 22:23:12 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: no, I entered from http://webchat.freenode.net/
2012-10-09 22:23:22 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: Good deal.
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2012-10-09 22:23:33 waldir: Nick_Zaccardi: someone should change the parameters of the qwebirc embed code
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2012-10-09 22:23:39 waldir: to allow changing the options
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2012-10-09 22:24:20 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, can I use the wiki API to fix a bunch of pages that got put into the wrong categories with a python bot?
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2012-10-09 22:24:39 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: I'm not sure if we have a bot policy yet
2012-10-09 22:24:43 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: ^^ ?
2012-10-09 22:24:49 be: for javascript i only use this
2012-10-09 22:24:50 be: "></script>  <script type="text/javascript">    var auto_refresh = setInterval(    function ()    {     $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow");    }, 10); // 10 milliseconds         $(document).ready(function () 			{ 				$('#chatear').click(chatear);				 				function chatear() 				{ 				  $.post('chat.php',$("#rom").serialize());	 				  $('#mensaje').val('');	 				}				 			}); 			 </script>
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2012-10-09 22:25:20 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: technically, yes ;)
2012-10-09 22:25:23 be: that's all
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2012-10-09 22:25:47 Tomato: Okay. :3
2012-10-09 22:25:54 Ryan_Lane: paul_irish: ^^ ?
2012-10-09 22:26:07 waldir: Ryan_Lane, you're a bureaucrat, would you give me the admin bit?
2012-10-09 22:26:12 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-09 22:26:13 shepazu: Ryan_Lane, not sure :)
2012-10-09 22:26:16 Ryan_Lane: I'm technically one :)
2012-10-09 22:26:16 sonotos: be: go to github if you want to find somebody who's maybe interested
2012-10-09 22:26:26 Zeca_Brito: hi
2012-10-09 22:26:34 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: on wikipedia, you request to have a bot
2012-10-09 22:26:44 Ryan_Lane: though, people can use a bot under their own account too
2012-10-09 22:26:47 waldir: Ryan_Lane: there are others here, but there doesn't seem to be a process yet
2012-10-09 22:26:52 waldir: here = IRC
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2012-10-09 22:27:05 Tomato: Yeah, I just don't have "higher API" permissions without a bot account
2012-10-09 22:27:09 Ryan_Lane: waldir: right. I'm a bureaucrat because I am the ops engineer
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2012-10-09 22:27:21 Ryan_Lane: waldir: I don't think I should be granting adminship :)
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2012-10-09 22:27:36 Tomato: waldir, I'm sure if you keep contributing, one of the admins will notice you and promote you.
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2012-10-09 22:27:46 Ryan_Lane: we need a policy
2012-10-09 22:27:50 waldir: Ryan_Lane: so, who is? paul_irish  is one too, aparently
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2012-10-09 22:27:54 paul_irish: Tomato: example of one of the miscategorizations?
2012-10-09 22:27:56 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: what are we doing for adminship?
2012-10-09 22:28:04 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: of the wiki?
2012-10-09 22:28:09 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: yep
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2012-10-09 22:28:15 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: you can run the bot slowly
2012-10-09 22:28:26 Tomato: Category:Event and Category:Events
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2012-10-09 22:28:34 ppk_: Who are currently the wiki admins?
2012-10-09 22:28:35 Tomato: One as 149 pages in it, one as 150 pages in it.
2012-10-09 22:28:39 Ryan_Lane: I don't actually know if we give any additional rights to bot users right now
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2012-10-09 22:28:51 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: we are going to see who contributes helpfully, and start looking at adding admin rights over the next few days
2012-10-09 22:28:56 paul_irish: I like making a request queue
2012-10-09 22:28:57 waldir: ppk_: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsersgroup=sysop
2012-10-09 22:29:01 Tomato: 160*
2012-10-09 22:29:06 shepazu: yup
2012-10-09 22:29:26 Ryan_Lane: a request queue for request for bot access and request for adminship is a good idea
2012-10-09 22:29:32 paul_irish: yup
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2012-10-09 22:29:51 Tomato: Okay but before I do it, which category are they all suppose to be in, Events or Event, here's a link to them http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Events or http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Event
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2012-10-09 22:30:29 waldir: shepazu: the syzop tools require some working knowledge of mediawiki... admins can edit protected templates or mediawiki messages that can even break the site to some extent
2012-10-09 22:30:33 waldir: *sysop
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2012-10-09 22:30:54 sonotos: Tomato: as Event tags one event Event would be more correct from my opinion
2012-10-09 22:30:54 paul_irish: Ryan_Lane: can you set up a request queue for both?
2012-10-09 22:31:02 Ryan_Lane: I can't right now
2012-10-09 22:31:06 IanJ_: Paul, done.
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2012-10-09 22:31:18 paul_irish: Tomato: plural wise which is more consistent with the other category names?
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2012-10-09 22:31:23 Ryan_Lane: someone with SMW knowledge should be able to do it fairly quickly
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2012-10-09 22:31:44 Tomato: Okay.
2012-10-09 22:31:51 Tomato: Thanks everyone.
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2012-10-09 22:31:59 shepazu: waldir: I'm using admins loosely… I really mean "bureaucrats"
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2012-10-09 22:32:26 shepazu: but I don't like that term
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2012-10-09 22:32:45 waldir: shepazu: hmm... bureaucrats are essentially admins who can grant adminship to others, IIRC
2012-10-09 22:32:47 shepazu: Tomato: I think "Events"
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2012-10-09 22:33:03 shepazu: waldir: then maybe I mean something else :)
2012-10-09 22:33:04 augusoft: hello
2012-10-09 22:33:05 sonotos: gn8
2012-10-09 22:33:09 augusoft: g8
2012-10-09 22:33:13 shepazu: nn sonotos
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2012-10-09 22:34:19 tsingh: hehe
2012-10-09 22:34:34 augusoft: hello
2012-10-09 22:34:46 mstalfoort: hi
2012-10-09 22:34:54 shepazu: augusoft: trying to hack the chat?
2012-10-09 22:34:54 augusoft: im from spain
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2012-10-09 22:35:02 augusoft: i dont
2012-10-09 22:35:09 augusoft: im not a lamer
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2012-10-09 22:35:32 augusoft: i try only say hello..
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2012-10-09 22:35:40 augusoft: in a original way
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2012-10-09 22:36:15 waldir: shepazu: since we're starting, I think we could handle handing of adminship rights somewhat loosely (they can always be removed later if needed, anyway). Ryan_Lane & paul_irish were talking about a queue, and a policy has been mentioned... that sounds like a process appropriate for a larger community. what do you think?
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2012-10-09 22:36:49 shepazu: waldir: seems reasonable
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2012-10-09 22:36:56 paul_irish: yup
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2012-10-09 22:37:25 paul_irish: waldir: would be great to have your help setting up that process (or the docs for it) later
2012-10-09 22:37:29 waldir: shepazu: I mean, I can prove I'm knowledgeable with mediawiki and dedicated to open content, and that seems to be enough at least for the moment
2012-10-09 22:37:34 waldir: paul_irish: definitely
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2012-10-09 22:37:48 Tomato: W-woah, can I apply?
2012-10-09 22:37:52 waldir: we need to have a link on the homepage to a "how to contribute" page
2012-10-09 22:38:03 Tomato: I have made 200 edits today, I've been working with MediaWiki for five years. ;;
2012-10-09 22:38:06 shepazu: yeah, we have thought about it, but not enough
2012-10-09 22:38:07 Nick_Zaccardi: waldir: That is a great idea
2012-10-09 22:38:19 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: 200 edits? nicely done :)
2012-10-09 22:38:20 Nick_Zaccardi: I have no idea how to help right now
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2012-10-09 22:38:29 waldir: ...which would include several ways to do it including bug reports, editing the wiki, and adminship
2012-10-09 22:38:33 paul_irish: There is Getting Started but its pretty big. and doesnt account for a lot
2012-10-09 22:38:35 waldir: nothing too lentghy
2012-10-09 22:38:35 shepazu: Tomato: certainly you can apply :)
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2012-10-09 22:38:55 Ryan_Lane: one thing I've learned from Wikipedia is that no process should have a lot of text
2012-10-09 22:38:59 Tomato: Thank you Ryan_Lane, I'm about to throw down 200 more once I log on with pywikipediabot. (;
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2012-10-09 22:39:16 Ryan_Lane: make sure it's simple and as short as possible
2012-10-09 22:39:26 waldir: Ryan_Lane: true!!
2012-10-09 22:39:31 Ryan_Lane: wikipedians have a habit of adding text to things that are too confusing ;)
2012-10-09 22:39:40 shepazu: Ryan_Lane, short and simple is difficult, but worth it
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2012-10-09 22:39:47 Ryan_Lane: and then try to make it less confusing by adding even more text
2012-10-09 22:39:53 waldir: Ryan_Lane: lol
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2012-10-09 22:40:02 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: what are you trying to say?
2012-10-09 22:40:11 Ryan_Lane: short and simple is best :)
2012-10-09 22:40:13 shepazu: could you explain a bit more please?
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2012-10-09 22:40:23 paul_irish: :p
2012-10-09 22:40:26 Ryan_Lane: wikipedia scares new people because everything is too wordy
2012-10-09 22:40:42 waldir: shepazu: I believe we need to give new contributors clear action paths straight from the main page
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2012-10-09 22:41:02 shepazu: waldir: agreed
2012-10-09 22:41:02 justinBeaudry: waldir:  I like that idea.
2012-10-09 22:41:18 justinBeaudry: Something like what's on the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
2012-10-09 22:41:18 waldir: not necessarily all of them listed there, but at least a link
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2012-10-09 22:41:28 augusoft: chau saludos
2012-10-09 22:41:35 waldir: justinBeaudry: well, that's one of the ways
2012-10-09 22:41:40 waldir: some people like maintenance work
2012-10-09 22:41:44 waldir: others prefer adding content
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2012-10-09 22:42:16 waldir: the page you pointed to has several useful maintenance reports (I personally like to work with them), but we need to cater to other people
2012-10-09 22:42:32 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, can we please have AbuseFilters?
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2012-10-09 22:42:43 Ryan_Lane: we probably should add that....
2012-10-09 22:42:45 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: ^^ ?
2012-10-09 22:42:52 shepazu: yeah, we are hoping to have lots of flagged content reports that will give tasks...
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2012-10-09 22:43:06 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: make it so, #1
2012-10-09 22:43:10 Ryan_Lane: :D
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2012-10-09 22:43:21 justinBeaudry: waldir:  I agree. I
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2012-10-09 22:44:02 Ryan_Lane: ugh. so much config
2012-10-09 22:44:04 Tomato: Also Ryan_Lane, bots can easily get past the captcha, Asirra is the most secure captcha but maybe a customized question would work even better instead of simple math.
2012-10-09 22:44:16 shepazu: interesting side effect of using mediawiki is all the community members that have their processes built around it
2012-10-09 22:44:17 Tomato: Also, you'll have to run the update script after you install AbuseFilters, otherwise no one will be able to edit.
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2012-10-09 22:44:23 Ryan_Lane: FancyCaptcha should be good enough
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2012-10-09 22:44:36 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: ye[
2012-10-09 22:44:40 Ryan_Lane: *yep
2012-10-09 22:44:40 justinBeaudry: waldir:  Could that be based upon flags? Maybe displaying relevant pages that need editing?
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2012-10-09 22:44:57 Tomato: Err, of course, you probably already know. o;
2012-10-09 22:45:08 shepazu: Ryan_Lane, happy to switch to another captcha that doesn't use external resources
2012-10-09 22:45:21 Ryan_Lane: FancyCaptha doesn't
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2012-10-09 22:45:38 deavisdude: hi
2012-10-09 22:45:56 deavisdude: who saw this on reedit?
2012-10-09 22:45:57 waldir: flags as they're currently implemented aren't very effective. we might need to split the list of problems into separate arguments for the template, or use separate templates (e.g. {{delete}}, {{update}}, etc) which can add pages to specific categories
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2012-10-09 22:46:23 Ryan_Lane: ok. adding it to test
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2012-10-09 22:47:36 waldir: Ryan_Lane: is there any possibility to have the site put up in github or something like that? then people could send pull requests for parts other than the wiki, too :D
2012-10-09 22:47:56 Ryan_Lane: we're looking at ways to expose our config and repos
2012-10-09 22:48:02 waldir: :)
2012-10-09 22:48:08 Ryan_Lane: I don't like github because we can't really control the repo
2012-10-09 22:48:14 Ryan_Lane: and for deployment that's terrifying
2012-10-09 22:48:18 Tomato: tortoise
2012-10-09 22:48:26 shepazu: I admit I'm with Ryan_Lane here
2012-10-09 22:48:35 Ryan_Lane: we're using gerrit for our extensions
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2012-10-09 22:48:41 Tomato: I mean mercurial?
2012-10-09 22:48:48 Lucas: CTOVELOZ EI CARA
2012-10-09 22:48:49 Tomato: I used to use that for repo deploys and it was really nice.
2012-10-09 22:48:53 Ryan_Lane: we *might* be able to use wikimedia's gerrit for our config too
2012-10-09 22:49:00 waldir: as long as there's a way for people to contribute
2012-10-09 22:49:06 Ryan_Lane: or we could set up our own gerrit server
2012-10-09 22:49:09 Lucas: ow ctveloz br
2012-10-09 22:49:12 Ryan_Lane: and replicate to github
2012-10-09 22:49:14 waldir: and good, *short* docs :D
2012-10-09 22:49:18 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: let's do our own, if we can
2012-10-09 22:49:22 Lucas: hello
2012-10-09 22:49:31 shepazu: hi, Lucas
2012-10-09 22:49:36 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: I set up the gerrit server at wikimedia, so I can do so for us as well
2012-10-09 22:49:51 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: sweet
2012-10-09 22:49:58 Ryan_Lane: people tend to hate gerrit, but it works. well.
2012-10-09 22:50:07 Lucas: I speak as private?
2012-10-09 22:50:25 shepazu: Lucas: this channel is logged
2012-10-09 22:50:36 ctoveloz[BR]: Lucas,  iae
2012-10-09 22:50:44 Lucas: add ctoloveloz
2012-10-09 22:50:46 Ryan_Lane: ok abuse filter is working on test
2012-10-09 22:50:50 Tomato: Yay~
2012-10-09 22:51:08 Tomato: Do you already have some filters lined up? I have a bunch I like to use but maybe you guys would rather write your own.
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2012-10-09 22:51:21 Ryan_Lane: I never use abuse filter
2012-10-09 22:51:25 Lucas: http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
2012-10-09 22:51:26 Ryan_Lane: I don't actually edit wikipedia :D
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2012-10-09 22:51:33 Lucas: http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
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2012-10-09 22:51:39 Tomato: Oh, well an admin is going to have to add filters. o;
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2012-10-09 22:51:52 Ryan_Lane: ok. adding abuse filter to current
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2012-10-09 22:52:10 Tomato: Yay, thank you Ryan.
2012-10-09 22:52:14 Ryan_Lane: yw
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2012-10-09 22:53:58 Ryan_Lane: done
2012-10-09 22:53:59 Ryan_Lane: added
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2012-10-09 22:54:39 paul_irish: shepazu: i'd like to add admin to waldir and tomato to help with category cleanup and policy docs on onboarding new contributors
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2012-10-09 22:54:50 paul_irish: sound good?
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2012-10-09 22:55:05 paul_irish: waldir will also help with formalizing the policy for requesting adminship
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2012-10-09 22:55:15 Tomato: i'm making googly puppy dog eyes shepazu
2012-10-09 22:55:19 waldir: :)
2012-10-09 22:55:30 shepazu: paul_irish: sure
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2012-10-09 22:55:39 paul_irish: k
2012-10-09 22:55:40 shepazu: paul_irish: usernames?
2012-10-09 22:55:42 waldir: we need to establish a place onwiki to discuss these things
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2012-10-09 22:55:52 waldir: I'm User:Waldir
2012-10-09 22:56:13 Tomato: I'm User:Tomato
2012-10-09 22:56:18 shepazu: admin? any others?
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2012-10-09 22:56:57 shepazu: done
2012-10-09 22:56:59 juu8u8: hi room!
2012-10-09 22:57:02 shepazu: paul_irish: are you an admin?
2012-10-09 22:57:07 Tomato: waldir, the talk pages are still there for use, although shepazu said he'd rather have people use comments. You can see them if you hover over "Tools"
2012-10-09 22:57:08 paul_irish: yes
2012-10-09 22:57:12 shepazu: k
2012-10-09 22:57:18 moneal: Well if your just handing out admins...
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2012-10-09 22:57:27 paul_irish: Tomato: waldir, you guys are set
2012-10-09 22:57:32 Tomato: Thanks!
2012-10-09 22:57:39 waldir: paul_irish, shepazu thanks :D
2012-10-09 22:57:48 shepazu: why don't we start a new page for this, WPD:Admin_policy ?
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2012-10-09 22:57:57 tsingh: careful what you ask for. moneal
2012-10-09 22:57:57 paul_irish: Tomato: are you getting an acct for your bot?
2012-10-09 22:58:03 shepazu: wait
2012-10-09 22:58:04 tsingh: hehe
2012-10-09 22:58:13 jkomoros: shepazu: I think we already have a page
2012-10-09 22:58:15 Tony_: Hello World :) This looks neat.
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2012-10-09 22:58:23 shepazu: jkomoros: I realized that :)
2012-10-09 22:58:31 jkomoros: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Policy/Administration
2012-10-09 22:58:31 shepazu: hi, Tony_
2012-10-09 22:58:41 shepazu: that's the one I was looking for :)
2012-10-09 22:58:52 Nick_Zaccardi: jkomoros: Nice to see ya back.
2012-10-09 22:59:04 waldir: cool, that needs to be linked from more places
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2012-10-09 22:59:23 ctoveloz[BR]: thing about cakephp?
2012-10-09 22:59:31 waldir: currently it's linked from WPD:Policy only!
2012-10-09 22:59:33 jkomoros: I've been in meetings all day. One more, and then I'll be back on IRC for a few hours
2012-10-09 22:59:49 paul_irish: yeah there is a lot within WPD namespace with low visibility... can someone start a short Contributing guide with links to that and others?
2012-10-09 22:59:52 ctoveloz[BR]: preferably views
2012-10-09 22:59:53 ctoveloz[BR]: ;D
2012-10-09 23:00:13 jkomoros: We could just link that page from the end of the Getting_Started guide
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2012-10-09 23:01:47 waldir: I think we need to rethink the "Contribute to Web Platform Docs" section of the wiki main page
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2012-10-09 23:01:51 Tomato_: Yeah, I was setting up my userconfig file for my bot, trying to get it connected. I can connect without making a bot account though for now and make simple edits. I'll just use my main account for now because the adminship gives me higher api and maybe make a bot account later if it's working well or needed a lot?
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2012-10-09 23:02:33 waldir: we could make it a list of links for different action paths instead of having text there
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2012-10-09 23:03:07 waldir: I'll try something in my userpage and propose it
2012-10-09 23:03:10 paul_irish: waldir: can you make a draft for how that would look?
2012-10-09 23:03:10 paul_irish: great
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2012-10-09 23:03:54 andrewjbaker: Make sure one of those paths is game developer. :-p
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2012-10-09 23:04:17 Garbee: Let's hope I make it home in one peice.  See you guys/gals soon.
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2012-10-09 23:05:30 waldir: Special:BrokenRedirects is now empty :D
2012-10-09 23:05:38 Tomato: See you Garbee. Take care.
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2012-10-09 23:06:11 waldir: Tomato: since you're using pywikipediabot, could you run the script to fix the double redirects?
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2012-10-09 23:06:40 waldir: there are 99 of them... too many to fix by hand comfortably
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2012-10-09 23:07:13 paul_irish: hey andrewjbaker!
2012-10-09 23:07:28 paul_irish: Ryan_Lane: is this ident_hex your work ?
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2012-10-09 23:07:52 Ryan_Lane: paul_irish: yep
2012-10-09 23:07:59 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, does this wiki have a template limit? Will the "micro"templates become a problem later as more pages are created and slow down the server?
2012-10-09 23:08:03 Ryan_Lane: requested by freenode
2012-10-09 23:08:18 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: as always meta templates are evil :)
2012-10-09 23:08:22 Ryan_Lane: did I enable lua?
2012-10-09 23:08:26 andrewjbaker: paul_irish: Hi matey. How goes the battle?
2012-10-09 23:08:26 Ryan_Lane: I hope I enabled lua
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2012-10-09 23:08:30 Ryan_Lane: I don't think I enabled lua
2012-10-09 23:08:31 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-09 23:08:36 paul_irish: andrewjbaker: its good
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2012-10-09 23:09:09 Tomato: I've had metatemplates break my wikis before put up by editors, then have to spend 9 hours trying to remove them all. ;;
2012-10-09 23:09:19 Ryan_Lane: yeah. it's a pain
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2012-10-09 23:09:38 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: do we want to use lua for the templating language?
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2012-10-09 23:09:51 Ryan_Lane: it's a real language, rather than that horrible wiki syntax
2012-10-09 23:10:01 Ryan_Lane: it's also deployed on wikimedia sites
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2012-10-09 23:10:23 Ryan_Lane: nevermind
2012-10-09 23:10:26 Ryan_Lane: we need to upgrade first
2012-10-09 23:10:31 andrewjbaker: paul_irish: Heh... so you're winning. This is good news.
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2012-10-09 23:10:52 Tomato: lua for a template language?! wow that sound cool.
2012-10-09 23:11:40 Scorpilus: part
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2012-10-09 23:12:11 Ryan_Lane: yeah. lua
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2012-10-09 23:12:36 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
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2012-10-09 23:13:38 shepazu: what are the advantages of Lua over … whatever else?
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2012-10-09 23:13:47 Pinapple: oHai
2012-10-09 23:13:52 Ryan_Lane: have you used the built-in templating language? :)
2012-10-09 23:14:06 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: unfortunately, a little bit
2012-10-09 23:14:07 Nick_Zaccardi: git status
2012-10-09 23:14:09 Ryan_Lane: it's terrible.
2012-10-09 23:14:18 Nick_Zaccardi: Whoops... wrong window
2012-10-09 23:14:20 Ryan_Lane: it also makes people implement horrible things in meta templates
2012-10-09 23:14:33 Ryan_Lane: which they then include in hundreds of thousands of pages
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2012-10-09 23:14:46 shepazu: if we went with Lua, could we dump the horrible {{!}} for pipes?
2012-10-09 23:14:58 Ryan_Lane: I believe so
2012-10-09 23:14:59 Pinapple: Ahhh! The navigation above this page only has webkit prefixes!!!
2012-10-09 23:15:08 shepazu: LUA ALL THE THINGS!
2012-10-09 23:15:13 Pinapple: ='[
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2012-10-09 23:15:45 hfhj: n
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2012-10-09 23:15:53 plamoni: hober: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
2012-10-09 23:16:03 Ryan_Lane: we may want to wait till it's a little further along on wikimedia
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2012-10-09 23:17:07 ctoveloz[BR]: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550722_429443393781130_72408000_n.jpg
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2012-10-09 23:17:14 Lucas: hello
2012-10-09 23:17:16 Tomato: Tim Starling is a pretty good extension writer Ryan_Lane, the extension is probably pretty safe but yeah, it's always nice to wait until it's stable. Just saying the guy has never steered me wrong with extensions.
2012-10-09 23:17:37 Ryan_Lane: well, I'm waiting to figure out how modules are going to work
2012-10-09 23:17:39 Titank: hello
2012-10-09 23:17:53 Tomato: He wrote parserfunctions, swoon.
2012-10-09 23:17:55 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: I'm an operations engineer at wikimedia foundation, btw ;)
2012-10-09 23:18:02 Tomato: Oh are you? Hahaha.
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2012-10-09 23:18:14 Tomato: I don't know why I'm telling you then, sorry.
2012-10-09 23:18:19 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-09 23:18:40 Ryan_Lane: I run wikimedia labs: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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2012-10-09 23:19:02 Tomato: I used to work for Curse, Inc. I helped set up Minecraft Wiki and sites like that, I quit recently. o;
2012-10-09 23:19:15 Ryan_Lane: ah. cool
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2012-10-09 23:20:15 Lucas: It is easy to get into google, microsoft or something?
2012-10-09 23:20:16 Nathan: Hello ...
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2012-10-09 23:21:07 Tomato: Hi Nathan.
2012-10-09 23:21:15 pdr: Ryan_Lane: We talked about this a bit yesterday, but is there a path for Wiki* sites to show SVG directly to capable browsers, instead of converting to PNG?
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2012-10-09 23:21:30 Ryan_Lane: currently mediawiki doesn't support it
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2012-10-09 23:21:47 pdr: Ryan_Lane: do you know the backstory?
2012-10-09 23:21:49 Ryan_Lane: I recommend bugging the wikitech-l email list about it
2012-10-09 23:21:56 pdr: Ryan_Lane: thank you
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2012-10-09 23:21:59 Ryan_Lane: yw
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2012-10-09 23:22:12 Lucas: Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
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2012-10-09 23:22:59 Tomato: I'm curious, I know MediaWiki doesn't support .ico, but you can add the permission to Localsettings to allow you to upload it, and if you use it in CSS, the wiki will display the image. It's a work around at times if you want to display something using a file mediawiki doesn't support.
2012-10-09 23:23:14 Lucas: Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
2012-10-09 23:23:22 pdr: Tomato: I don't think there are good reasons to display .ico :P
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2012-10-09 23:23:33 Tomato: I know, I was just giving an example if you wanted to get around it, haha.
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2012-10-09 23:24:09 Tomato: That would be pretty impractical for your situation though, just a suggestion if you're desperate.
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2012-10-09 23:25:00 ssaid: hi
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2012-10-09 23:25:07 Tomato: Hi ssaid.
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2012-10-09 23:26:19 ssaid: how can i save images created in svg to jpg format ?
2012-10-09 23:26:26 petermlm: Can any one tell me if anyone can edit the pages in webplatform? Like a Wiki?
2012-10-09 23:26:33 paul_irish: you can.
2012-10-09 23:26:53 ssaid: paul_irish did you answer to me?
2012-10-09 23:27:00 paul_irish: ssaid: add to a canvas and toDataUri out of there.
2012-10-09 23:27:32 petermlm: @ssaid, or just take a screen shot for a quick and disty solution, :p
2012-10-09 23:27:39 ssaid: ok, thanks friend
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2012-10-09 23:27:55 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, have you seen the giant reddit thread about this site? It's how I found it. There's a lot of comments in the thread about problems with the site.
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2012-10-09 23:28:46 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: link?
2012-10-09 23:28:54 Tomato: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
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2012-10-09 23:30:38 shepazu: Tomato, that can't be about webplatform.org… it doesn't mention W3C in the title
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2012-10-09 23:30:40 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-09 23:30:46 Ryan_Lane: no ipv6 support
2012-10-09 23:31:02 Ryan_Lane: yeah. that's true
2012-10-09 23:31:13 brey: need more specific tuts of css media queries..
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2012-10-09 23:31:43 Tomato: shepazu, I can't believe they left out W3C. ;;
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2012-10-09 23:31:53 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: nothing really that is infrastructure related
2012-10-09 23:31:59 Ryan_Lane: except www1 and ipv6
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2012-10-09 23:32:12 Ryan_Lane: it was temporary
2012-10-09 23:32:14 petermlm: Just putting this out there. I would like to write for the Javascript Datatypes. There are tones of thinks to be said about theme. I will contribute in the following days for that part
2012-10-09 23:32:21 petermlm: *the,m
2012-10-09 23:32:24 petermlm: **them
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2012-10-09 23:32:45 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, yeah true, I just thought the thread was pretty interesting and I saw some comments of users pointing out issues, so I figured you guys would want to see.
2012-10-09 23:32:45 Ordona: Oh, no more www1? Awesome
2012-10-09 23:32:49 harryrf: Thanks petermlm
2012-10-09 23:32:57 shepazu: paul_irish: if you know of a page that shows how to do the SVG toDataUri trick? if not, can you write one in the wiki, so I can add it to http://www.webplatform.org/logo/#playground ?
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2012-10-09 23:33:11 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: rigt
2012-10-09 23:33:14 Ryan_Lane: *right
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2012-10-09 23:33:47 shepazu: Tomato: thanks, good to know… we can always use constructive criticism
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2012-10-09 23:34:43 Garbee: Could someone link again please?  I missed it.
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2012-10-09 23:36:53 moneal: Garbee: what link?
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2012-10-09 23:37:16 Garbee: To the thread Tomato was talkng about.
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2012-10-09 23:37:38 moneal: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
2012-10-09 23:38:39 Garbee: meh, I'm going to need a tl;dr version now.
2012-10-09 23:38:41 Garbee: ;)
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2012-10-09 23:38:45 Garbee: Thanks for the link though.
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2012-10-09 23:43:04 harryrf: In the Loops section of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics why would for(var i = 0;i &lt; 11;i = i + 1){ be showing up as &lt; and not < ?
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2012-10-09 23:43:44 Garbee: paul_irish, Do you mind if I PM you?
2012-10-09 23:43:51 paul_irish: go for it dude
2012-10-09 23:43:59 Tomato: Ryan_Lane, speaking of Loops, do you like the Loops extension?
2012-10-09 23:43:59 gelatocar: They probably escape the code to allow for HTML in there?
2012-10-09 23:44:01 harryrf: I guess it could just be manually edited
2012-10-09 23:44:04 paul_irish: harryrf: not sure but please fix it if you can
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2012-10-09 23:44:23 harryrf: I'm sure changing it from &lt; to < won't hurt
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2012-10-09 23:44:26 harryrf: I'll do that
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2012-10-09 23:44:29 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: no
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2012-10-09 23:44:37 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: nor the stringfunctions extension
2012-10-09 23:44:38 hs0ucy: part
2012-10-09 23:44:43 Ryan_Lane: they are both incredibly expensive
2012-10-09 23:44:49 Tomato: Ah okay.
2012-10-09 23:45:00 jkomoros: What are y'all talking about? I just got back to my computer
2012-10-09 23:45:03 Ryan_Lane: lua has these things, but does it efficiently
2012-10-09 23:45:20 Tomato: Yeah, they can be. ;; Loops came in useful for me a few times, I was just curious if you liked it. Of course Lua would be awesome too.
2012-10-09 23:45:46 Quitta: Howdie
2012-10-09 23:45:57 Tomato: Hi Quitta!
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2012-10-09 23:46:13 Quitta: I was wondering, are there any plans of adding php to the list of items?
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2012-10-09 23:46:42 Garbee: Quitta, We have talked about server-side languages today quite a bit actually.
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2012-10-09 23:48:42 shepazu: I'd amend that to remove the "in the beginning"… I'm not sure I'd want more than basic articles on server-side stuff
2012-10-09 23:48:43 waldir: Tomato: have you used SMW before?
2012-10-09 23:49:13 jakep slaps egghead around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-09 23:49:15 Garbee: shepazu, So did we actually agree to completely not go into them any further than introductions?
2012-10-09 23:49:34 harryrf: fixed
2012-10-09 23:49:42 shepazu: Garbee, the scope would get too big… it would affect site architecture
2012-10-09 23:49:52 shepazu: I think, at least
2012-10-09 23:50:01 Garbee: Oh, it would affect it.
2012-10-09 23:50:05 jkomoros: I agree with shepazu, for what it's worth
2012-10-09 23:50:09 Tomato: waldir: A few times, I am not as experienced with it as I am most other MediaWiki extensions though. SMW was extremely resource heavy so we only used it on sites that really needed it.
2012-10-09 23:50:12 Garbee: Then cause a lot of fighiting amongst the devs in those langauges.
2012-10-09 23:50:12 shepazu: and those languages have good sites, anyway
2012-10-09 23:50:14 paul_irish: ++
2012-10-09 23:50:16 Tomato: I can work with it though.
2012-10-09 23:50:22 jakep: what the hell is this guys? idk why im just confused why this site was made and founded by all those poeple?
2012-10-09 23:50:42 jkomoros: jakep: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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2012-10-09 23:50:45 harryrf: Okay maybe not, I just tick "this is a minor change" and save ?
2012-10-09 23:50:48 shepazu: for the love of the game, jakep
2012-10-09 23:50:53 waldir: Tomato: ok, I was wondering whether the relationships could be useful
2012-10-09 23:51:03 Garbee: jakep, It is a site to eventually become one repository for web developers designers compared to needing 5 or more different sites.
2012-10-09 23:51:04 waldir: Tomato: for structuring the content
2012-10-09 23:51:10 harryrf: Ah, nevermind "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."
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2012-10-09 23:51:20 jkomoros: waldir: What are you guys talking about?
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2012-10-09 23:51:26 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: for the infrastructure blog post, use Site News or create a new category?
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2012-10-09 23:51:30 Garbee: And have major players behind it to support along with a great community of people who work the field every single day.
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2012-10-09 23:51:39 Ryan_Lane: also, when I'm finished it would be good if someone could review it
2012-10-09 23:51:42 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: site news
2012-10-09 23:51:43 waldir: jkomoros: semantic mediawiki... I believe Tomato can explain better
2012-10-09 23:51:45 Ryan_Lane: ok
2012-10-09 23:51:46 Tomato: Oh, well if you're asking if I can work with if you are using it, then yes. Lol.
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2012-10-09 23:51:51 jakep: ok. i just slapped egg head with a large fishbot ? hahahah what is this
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2012-10-09 23:52:08 waldir: jkomoros: I've never used it before
2012-10-09 23:52:12 jkomoros: Okay. We're using some semantic media wiki stuff pretty heavily
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2012-10-09 23:52:28 jkomoros: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns
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2012-10-09 23:53:18 waldir: jkomoros: cool| I'll add that page to my personal reading list
2012-10-09 23:53:29 jkomoros: yeah, hopefully it's interesting
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2012-10-09 23:53:39 jkomoros: I'd like more people to understand this stuff so they can help with templates and such
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2012-10-09 23:53:56 jkomoros: I've been meaning to write up another doc that explains how specific templates use those patterns
2012-10-09 23:54:00 jkomoros: brb
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2012-10-09 23:54:40 Tomato: Ryan_Lane: InputBox?!  Do you like that? o; It can be pretty nice for users who don't understand mediawiki well and are having troubles creating pages, it's nice to have something just throw on all the templates you need once you start the page.
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2012-10-09 23:55:12 Tomato: Okay I figured. Just curious.
2012-10-09 23:55:17 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-09 23:55:26 waldir: jkomoros that'd be very helpful. We need to enable people to contribute with as less hoops to jump as possible. Clear, easily findable and concise documentation is a must for that
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2012-10-09 23:58:35 paul_irish: yup! that's best
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2012-10-10 00:02:16 harryrf: Finally got it, I kept getting an error message.
2012-10-10 00:02:24 demonart: Hi all. Who live in Russia? ))
2012-10-10 00:02:33 shepazu: you!
2012-10-10 00:02:53 Ryan_Lane: harryrf: what error messag?
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2012-10-10 00:03:19 Mike: hi
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2012-10-10 00:03:25 Tomato: Hi.
2012-10-10 00:03:28 Ryan_Lane: ugh
2012-10-10 00:03:31 harryrf: So I tried logging back in
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2012-10-10 00:04:03 Guest54358: How to interoperate all cloud office website,GoogleDocs,MS Office 365,IBM Docs,Cisco WebEx,Acrobat,Zoho,Evernote..?
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2012-10-10 00:04:14 harryrf: I don't know if this made it work or not, but I had to preview, view changes, then save, then it worked
2012-10-10 00:04:31 harryrf: Oh, plus I added a summary
2012-10-10 00:04:36 Guest54358: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1414/interoperate-website-googledocs-office-acrobat-evernote
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2012-10-10 00:05:35 waldir: Tomato: so are you running pywikipediabot?
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2012-10-10 00:07:26 Tomato: harryrf, are you referring to a certain page? What are you confused about? o;
2012-10-10 00:07:29 demonart: Follow me http://twitter.com/5arts and visit to my website http://demon-art.ru Thanks
2012-10-10 00:07:31 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from 5arts: Обновил дизайн на сайте http://t.co/dnpUJfVK  Заходите, смотрите, оценивайте :) http://t.co/jQyvuNYp ★ http://bit.ly/Tt3UzS
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2012-10-10 00:08:35 demonart: evaluate design =)
2012-10-10 00:08:56 Garbee: Is it just me or does demonart seem spammy?
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2012-10-10 00:09:35 waldir: Ryan_Lane: are there plans to install the gadgets extension? HotCat could be useful
2012-10-10 00:09:49 Ryan_Lane: that isn't installed?
2012-10-10 00:09:54 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: ^^ ?
2012-10-10 00:10:07 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: I think it is
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2012-10-10 00:10:20 Ryan_Lane: it is
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2012-10-10 00:11:51 Garbee: shepazu, What do you think of tutorials on the site for using Dev Tools (for any browser) ?
2012-10-10 00:12:10 shepazu: Garbee: how do you mean?
2012-10-10 00:12:31 demonart: хз )
2012-10-10 00:12:42 shepazu: like, Firebug?
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2012-10-10 00:12:56 Garbee: Start with basics for people just learning.  How to open, what does everything do, basics of debugging.  From there we could have an article or section where people show off more advanced things that could be done with the tools.
2012-10-10 00:13:10 shepazu: demonart: please stop the chatter
2012-10-10 00:13:31 Garbee: Each tool would have its own little section to keep things neat, with perhaps subsections on things from there for something like Chrome's which does a ton of stuff.
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2012-10-10 00:13:50 shepazu: Garbee: seems reasonable
2012-10-10 00:14:06 demonart: Web Developer Tools + встроенный интсрумент от Mozilla Firefox лучше чем firebug
2012-10-10 00:14:07 Garbee: I will work on an actual outline later in the week and let you guys see to give a better idea.
2012-10-10 00:14:11 demonart: Web Developer Tools + intsrument built on Mozilla Firefox better than firebug
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2012-10-10 00:14:30 Garbee: demonart, That is completely uproductive.
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2012-10-10 00:14:47 paul_irish: Garbee: the recent nettuts article on chrome devtools is a good basics overview.. i think we could upstream that
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2012-10-10 00:15:07 Garbee: paul_irish, Exactly.  That would be a good base for a beginner section.
2012-10-10 00:15:25 Garbee: And we all know how you love your neat obscure tricks. ;)
2012-10-10 00:15:37 Garbee: So those would make great sections on an advanced page of tricks.
2012-10-10 00:15:41 paul_irish: Garbee: i know the author and we coudl ask him and jeffrey way
2012-10-10 00:16:01 Garbee: paul_irish, You get the permission, and I will do the import.
2012-10-10 00:16:33 harryrf: On the profile avatar upload page, "".$1" are not permitted file types. Permitted file types are $2." is shown for the wrong file type
2012-10-10 00:16:40 harryrf: ^^ I don't know how to fix that one.
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2012-10-10 00:16:44 demonart: I have enough of that, I like the speed of the javascript anyone should count for firebug irreplaceable;)
2012-10-10 00:17:14 Garbee: paul_irish, Could we also import content from:  https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/overview  ?  I'm assuming we could.
2012-10-10 00:17:31 waldir: Ryan_Lane: hmm... if it's installed, shouldn't I be seeing it as a tab of my preferences? oh right, I think mediawiki:gadgets-definition needs to exist
2012-10-10 00:17:40 paul_irish: Garbee: yes its likely
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2012-10-10 00:18:54 Ryan_Lane: waldir: yeah, it does
2012-10-10 00:18:59 Ryan_Lane: and there's no gadgets installed
2012-10-10 00:19:14 waldir: Ryan_Lane: I think hotcat should be pretty harmless right?
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2012-10-10 00:19:25 Ryan_Lane: yeah. it should be
2012-10-10 00:19:32 Ryan_Lane: licensing likely needs to be noted
2012-10-10 00:19:36 Ryan_Lane: it's cc-by-sa
2012-10-10 00:19:36 demonart: Here somebody knows at least a few words in Russian? )
2012-10-10 00:19:47 Ryan_Lane: content on webplatform is cc-by
2012-10-10 00:19:57 waldir: hmmm, ok
2012-10-10 00:20:02 Ryan_Lane: demonart: niet
2012-10-10 00:20:14 paul_irish: Garbee: the devtools docs are cc-by so we're good
2012-10-10 00:20:18 Garbee: paul_irish, Yea, just found it.
2012-10-10 00:20:19 jkomoros: We have guidelines for CC-BY-SA content
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2012-10-10 00:20:24 Garbee: I *Literally* just read it.
2012-10-10 00:20:29 jkomoros: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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2012-10-10 00:20:43 Gustavo: good evening everyone!
2012-10-10 00:20:43 Garbee: Sweet.  I will get writing up an outline and ask for input before putting anything into the wiki itself.
2012-10-10 00:20:49 waldir: the code needs to be copied, I suppose. Would a mention of the license in a code comment be enough?
2012-10-10 00:20:49 paul_irish: kk
2012-10-10 00:20:50 jkomoros: for each new source we'd like to have some CC-BY-SA content from, we need to change a list and agree that it's worth it for that source
2012-10-10 00:21:00 waldir: oh
2012-10-10 00:21:22 Gustavo: 'm in SEO company GFM
2012-10-10 00:21:26 shepazu: jkomoros: but we agreed that we wouldn't accept just any CC-BY-SA, only if the source was significant enough to warrant it
2012-10-10 00:21:36 jkomoros: yes, that's correct
2012-10-10 00:22:06 jkomoros: my point was not that it's okay in this case, but rather that we have a conceptual framework under which it could be allowed, if we decide it's worth it
2012-10-10 00:22:10 nrosa: Hi, is there a way to override drag and drop mouse icons?
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2012-10-10 00:22:22 shepazu: jkomoros, ok, got you…  we want a transition strategy for it to CC-BY :)
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2012-10-10 00:22:48 shepazu: nrosa: have you tried the cursor: property?
2012-10-10 00:22:51 jkomoros: absolutely
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2012-10-10 00:23:07 Tomato: shepazu, just wanted to check, when pages are labeled as CSS/x or SVG/x, etc, are those pages suppose to be lowercase like css/x or svg/x, I noticed there's a lot of inconsistency.
2012-10-10 00:23:25 Tomato: How should they be styled?
2012-10-10 00:23:26 jkomoros: Tomato: are you talking about with those in the URL?
2012-10-10 00:23:31 Tomato: Yes.
2012-10-10 00:23:38 jkomoros: lowercase
2012-10-10 00:23:42 Tomato: Okay.
2012-10-10 00:23:48 jkomoros: that's documented somewhere… let me find it
2012-10-10 00:23:52 waldir: Ryan_Lane: $wgMetaNamespace needs to be set to "WPD"
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2012-10-10 00:24:39 shepazu: Tomato: what jkomoros said L(
2012-10-10 00:24:47 Tomato: Should every part of the URL be lowercase? jkomoros, for example CSS/Selectors/attribute selector, should "Selectors" be lowercase?
2012-10-10 00:24:48 jkomoros: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Manual
2012-10-10 00:24:53 jkomoros: under the URLs ssection
2012-10-10 00:24:58 jkomoros: yep
2012-10-10 00:24:58 Tomato: Oh okay thanks.
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2012-10-10 00:25:14 shepazu: yes… the only uppercase should eb actual code commands, like getElementById
2012-10-10 00:25:15 jkomoros: basically, the only exceptions are supposed to be things where it's an actual method name, like getElementById
2012-10-10 00:25:19 shepazu: lol
2012-10-10 00:25:21 jkomoros: ha, great example shepazu
2012-10-10 00:25:25 shepazu: :D
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2012-10-10 00:27:57 Harris: What is everyone's favorite web development software?
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2012-10-10 00:30:57 Tomato: Just a bug with moving pages, if I try to untic "Leave behind a redirect", the page just won't work and won't move at all, no matter how much you click submit, it only works if you leave behind a redirect, which makes for a lot of useless redirect pages. o; Ryan_Lane
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2012-10-10 00:31:43 Ryan_Lane: weird
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2012-10-10 00:31:50 Ryan_Lane: redirect pages aren't useless
2012-10-10 00:31:55 Ryan_Lane: in general you should always leave redirects
2012-10-10 00:32:11 Alistair: Wow - a lot of people in here!
2012-10-10 00:32:23 shepazu: hi, Alistair
2012-10-10 00:32:25 Tomato: Well, I just meant in situations where sometimes people just redirected to the wrong name, then there's double redirects or something. With a redirect that no one is going to use.
2012-10-10 00:32:29 Alistair: Just learned about WebPlatform today
2012-10-10 00:32:30 andrewjbaker: I'm [probably] not the first person to mention this, and I don't want to start any fisticuffs, but the word 'platform' conjures up visions of a full Web stack in my mind. Are middle-tier and back-end technologies within the scope of WP?
2012-10-10 00:32:35 Ryan_Lane: Tomato: ah. right
2012-10-10 00:32:41 shepazu: it's really just me in a few hundred chat windows
2012-10-10 00:32:43 Alistair: As an educator in Web Development, it's exciting!
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2012-10-10 00:32:49 TehRealGawd: shepazu, who's playing with the irc hostmask?
2012-10-10 00:32:54 Alistair: Hi @shepazu1
2012-10-10 00:33:00 TehRealGawd: why is that long gateway/web/qwebirc/blablabla
2012-10-10 00:33:01 Ryan_Lane: TehRealGawd: what do you mean?
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2012-10-10 00:33:09 Ryan_Lane: because freenode requested it
2012-10-10 00:33:19 shepazu: Alistair: great to have an educator here!
2012-10-10 00:33:20 TehRealGawd: oh makes sense Ryan_Lane
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2012-10-10 00:33:40 jkomoros: @shepazu ^^
2012-10-10 00:33:43 Tomato: I can still delete the redirect separately of course, I just thought you should know that the tic box isn't working on the move page.
2012-10-10 00:33:47 paul_irish: yes
2012-10-10 00:33:55 shepazu: jkomoros: yeah, I think so… do you agree with the solution?
2012-10-10 00:33:59 TehRealGawd: andrewjbaker, idt there will be back end sections on this website for the time being
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2012-10-10 00:34:03 jkomoros: can you repeat it for me?
2012-10-10 00:34:05 jkomoros: :-)
2012-10-10 00:34:11 Alistair: I teach at the BC Institute of Technology.  I have a lecture tonight and we're covering CSS resets, Boilerplate, some layout things and media queries.
2012-10-10 00:34:15 shepazu: jkomoros: if you do, we should just make stubs and an umbrella explanation
2012-10-10 00:34:16 TehRealGawd: it's a front end for cross compatability between browsers
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2012-10-10 00:34:46 jkomoros: shepazu: Can you remind me what the solution is?
2012-10-10 00:35:03 TehRealGawd: andrewjbaker, im sure tons of people would love a place to talk about back end technologies since there really aren't good ones
2012-10-10 00:35:04 shepazu: jkomoros: basically, we will include basic intros to a range of server-side languages, but then link out to external sites for that
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2012-10-10 00:35:21 jkomoros: Ah, yeah, that sounds acceptable
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2012-10-10 00:35:23 TehRealGawd: maybe someone will take inspiration and make a hub for back-end the way WP has made for front-end :P
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2012-10-10 00:35:26 andrewjbaker: TehRealGawd: Heh, OK.
2012-10-10 00:35:39 jkomoros: does someone want to write that up and add to FAQ?
2012-10-10 00:35:55 shepazu: jkomoros: I can do that
2012-10-10 00:36:01 jkomoros: Sounds good
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2012-10-10 00:36:55 harryrf: Alistair can I PM you?
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2012-10-10 00:37:25 waldir: Ryan_Lane: did you get that about the $wgMetaNamespace?
2012-10-10 00:37:32 paul_irish: Alistair: you've read through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started ? right now a lot of the contribution ideas are there
2012-10-10 00:37:34 jkomoros: Alistair: That's great!
2012-10-10 00:37:43 paul_irish: also yes.. :) Sounds super awesome
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2012-10-10 00:38:05 Garbee: Is everything super with you Paul?  Can nothing ever be just good or great?
2012-10-10 00:38:06 paul_irish: Alistair: most of the folks behind HTML5 Boilerplate (if you're covering that) are involved in webplatform.org
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2012-10-10 00:38:29 divya: why do you hate caps, and words so much Garbee
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2012-10-10 00:38:50 paul_irish: Garbee: i'm home sick today so my throat is very much not good. aside from that i'm getting fresh homemade soup so things are looking good :)
2012-10-10 00:38:57 Garbee: divya, Caps I hate just in general.  But I swear in every talk I hear from Paul something has to be "super".
2012-10-10 00:39:07 Alistair: paul: Yes, I'll be coverin H5BP tonight.  It's great for students and the segway is perfect
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2012-10-10 00:39:16 divya: Alistair: where do you teach?
2012-10-10 00:39:21 Garbee: paul_irish, Aww.  Sorry to hear you're sick.  Do try some tea too though.
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2012-10-10 00:39:29 Alistair: BC Institute of Technology
2012-10-10 00:39:32 paul_irish: on a tea marathon :) thx
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2012-10-10 00:39:36 Garbee: Tea and a hot-tub or steaming hot bath always helps me out.
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2012-10-10 00:39:54 Ryan_Lane: waldir: eh?
2012-10-10 00:40:06 Garbee: Wait... You are *sick* and still doing this?   /me slaps paul_irish.
2012-10-10 00:40:09 waldir: Ryan_Lane: it needs to be set to "WPD"
2012-10-10 00:40:09 Alistair: Thanks for the Getting Started link.
2012-10-10 00:40:20 Ryan_Lane: is it not already?
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2012-10-10 00:40:32 Ryan_Lane: I'm not touching that one :)
2012-10-10 00:40:32 waldir: currently it seems to eb defaulting to $wgSiteName
2012-10-10 00:40:39 Ryan_Lane: oh
2012-10-10 00:40:39 waldir: *be
2012-10-10 00:40:40 Ryan_Lane: really?
2012-10-10 00:40:41 Garbee: I need to give you the childish ways again... Sick means no work.  Then again for you guys work is fun so... Not really sure where to draw the line there.
2012-10-10 00:40:42 sudoman: what license is content at http://docs.webplatform.org under?
2012-10-10 00:40:48 Ryan_Lane: that makes no sense
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2012-10-10 00:40:52 Garbee: Ok, I will get back to you on that discipline paul...
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2012-10-10 00:40:58 Ryan_Lane: sudoman: in general CC-BY
2012-10-10 00:41:12 sudoman: Ryan_Lane: in general?
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2012-10-10 00:41:25 paul_irish: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Copyright
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2012-10-10 00:41:55 jkomoros: sudoman: See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution for more on the exceptions to vanilla CC-BY
2012-10-10 00:41:59 sudoman: thank you everyone.
2012-10-10 00:43:03 laba: yo yo yo
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2012-10-10 00:43:10 sudoman: maybe it would make sense to link to the copyright page from the FAQ, since it's not listed in page footers, where it normally might be.
2012-10-10 00:43:15 andrewjbaker: "For example, if you were creating a tutorial about a racing game, the URL might be /tutorials/racing_game (you would type in tutorials/racing game: the Wiki creates the underscores for you." :-D
2012-10-10 00:43:34 Garbee: Well, have a good night everyone.  Especially to anyone that is sick.
2012-10-10 00:43:50 jkomoros: sudoman: We have a bug to add the license into the footer
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2012-10-10 00:44:33 Alistair: Thanks for the pointers, all. Off to lecture the web minds of tomorrow!
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2012-10-10 00:45:51 waldir: Ryan_Lane: that behavior is what's described at mediawiki.org. See for instance http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop , the "administrator" links have the "WebPlatform Docs" prefix but it should be "WPD"
2012-10-10 00:46:42 eternicode: /topic
2012-10-10 00:46:50 eternicode: woops
2012-10-10 00:47:21 Ryan_Lane: waldir: right, but I'm nearly positive we had it set
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2012-10-10 00:47:47 waldir: Ryan_Lane: well, something clearly is missing :)
2012-10-10 00:48:03 Ryan_Lane: fixing that isn't terribly straightforward
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2012-10-10 00:48:13 Ryan_Lane: I'm about to leave, so I'm not going to deal with it right now
2012-10-10 00:48:18 Ryan_Lane: in case I break everything
2012-10-10 00:48:20 waldir: lol
2012-10-10 00:48:30 waldir: I'll make a note then so I can bug someone later
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2012-10-10 00:50:43 harryrf: Is there a way to submit a bug that you yourself cannot fix?
2012-10-10 00:51:24 Tomato: harryrf: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
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2012-10-10 00:52:30 harryrf: Guess I should rtfm
2012-10-10 00:52:32 Tomato: harryrf: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org You can go here and submit software issues such as extensions, skin, things like that.
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2012-10-10 00:52:45 divya: harryrf: read topic
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2012-10-10 00:53:58 harryrf: ah
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2012-10-10 00:56:25 shepazu: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
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2012-10-10 00:56:46 Anon35: hello?
2012-10-10 00:56:54 shepazu: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/server-side_languages
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2012-10-10 00:57:22 shepazu: ok, server-siders… go to town!
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2012-10-10 00:57:25 he_: r u there
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2012-10-10 00:57:43 shepazu: no, I am here, are you there?
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2012-10-10 00:57:57 harryrf: nicely written
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2012-10-10 00:58:08 shepazu: thanks, harryrf
2012-10-10 00:58:12 he_: where do you from
2012-10-10 00:58:27 shepazu: the Internet!
2012-10-10 00:58:30 he_: can I have a private chat room here
2012-10-10 00:58:47 divya: :))))))
2012-10-10 00:58:56 shepazu: he_: no, this is for collaboration and help on web development and design
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2012-10-10 00:59:02 harryrf: he_: Do you mean your own channel?
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2012-10-10 00:59:08 he_: yes
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2012-10-10 00:59:33 Nick_Zaccardi: Hello again!
2012-10-10 00:59:45 harryrf: just use /join and the name of the channel you want to create
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2012-10-10 01:06:34 harryrf: yep
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2012-10-10 01:06:42 Ryan_Lane: on it
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2012-10-10 01:08:43 sdfs: test
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2012-10-10 01:09:05 Guest75366: hello?
2012-10-10 01:09:20 harryrf: Hello
2012-10-10 01:09:30 arno__: hi there... getting a 500 when accessing http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/
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2012-10-10 01:09:37 arno__: anybody else?
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2012-10-10 01:09:47 shepazu: arno__: top men are working on it
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2012-10-10 01:09:56 goseta: Error 500 Internal in all docs?
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2012-10-10 01:10:11 goseta: oh ok cool!
2012-10-10 01:10:17 arno__: great. thanks...
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2012-10-10 01:11:02 Ryan_Lane: wow. where the hell is the CSS?
2012-10-10 01:11:24 Ryan_Lane: ugh
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2012-10-10 01:11:34 Ryan_Lane: seems there's another error in mediawiki there
2012-10-10 01:11:46 Ryan_Lane: I have to purge all
2012-10-10 01:12:35 Ryan_Lane: back
2012-10-10 01:12:56 Ryan_Lane: I need to do some math on the number of apache services running and the number of database connections we need
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2012-10-10 01:16:33 Ryan_Lane: ok. adding slave back in
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2012-10-10 01:20:03 Charun: success!
2012-10-10 01:20:06 harryrf: test failed
2012-10-10 01:20:10 Charun: :(
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2012-10-10 01:21:56 hiramyoucan: who
2012-10-10 01:22:01 hiramyoucan: how
2012-10-10 01:22:03 hiramyoucan: what
2012-10-10 01:22:04 shepazu: when
2012-10-10 01:22:25 harryrf: I love the introductions here
2012-10-10 01:22:29 hiramyoucan: chin
2012-10-10 01:22:30 hiramyoucan: china
2012-10-10 01:22:43 shepazu: ok, hiramyoucan, that's enough :)
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2012-10-10 01:23:53 Ryan_Lane: ok. removed the performance tweak on app1 that was likely causing the database connections issue
2012-10-10 01:24:08 Ryan_Lane: it was in place for when the static content was being served from it
2012-10-10 01:24:11 andrewjbaker: part
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2012-10-10 01:24:47 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: thanks, man
2012-10-10 01:25:04 Ryan_Lane: yw
2012-10-10 01:25:50 Tomato: shepazu, does promoting an account on the wiki also result in an admin forum account? Did you mean for that to happen because I though you should know I have admin rights on the forum too.
2012-10-10 01:26:32 shepazu: Tomato: yeah, I think it does… please don't abuse them :)
2012-10-10 01:26:45 Tomato: Okay, just making sure you knew, I won't, don't worry. :3
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2012-10-10 01:37:21 Guest11315: DROP INDEX
2012-10-10 01:37:26 jaycie: ths
2012-10-10 01:37:38 Guest11315: DROP `CHAT`
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2012-10-10 01:39:49 Computer: Hello, world!
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2012-10-10 01:41:17 Tomato: shepazu, I'm having strange issues with my forum account where I can log on the wiki, but if I switch to forums, it just shows my IP for some reason and all my rights are gone. If I move back to the wiki, it just logs me out again afterwards.
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2012-10-10 01:41:49 shepazu: Tomato: OSSO is hard… can you please file a bug?
2012-10-10 01:41:51 Tomato: The account was working fine a second ago, now it's just stuck on my IP for some reason.
2012-10-10 01:41:54 Tomato: Okay.
2012-10-10 01:42:02 shepazu: SSO
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2012-10-10 01:49:28 cyc: anybody here?
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2012-10-10 01:49:52 Tomato: Hi cyc.
2012-10-10 01:50:02 Tomato: Hi everyone~
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2012-10-10 01:53:33 Tomato: Hi.
2012-10-10 01:53:46 agustinkry: one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
2012-10-10 01:53:58 arkhi1: agustinkry: depends. ☺
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2012-10-10 01:54:36 agustinkry: one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
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2012-10-10 01:57:14 amidamaru888: hi
2012-10-10 01:57:19 agustinkry: one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
2012-10-10 01:57:26 Tomato: Where are you using it?
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2012-10-10 01:57:39 agustinkry: responsive site
2012-10-10 01:57:46 agustinkry: for example a gallery
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2012-10-10 01:58:03 amidamaru888: may iI help translating stuff toSpanish in this site??h
2012-10-10 01:58:14 Tomato: display: none, as in the CSS visibility, right?
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2012-10-10 01:58:27 James: Hello.
2012-10-10 01:58:29 Tomato: It probably won't display anything depending on what class you used it under.
2012-10-10 01:58:31 Tomato: Hi James.
2012-10-10 01:58:34 ctoveloz[BR]: float: right
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2012-10-10 01:58:38 ctoveloz[BR]: lol
2012-10-10 01:58:55 agustinkry: but it will make the request ?
2012-10-10 01:58:59 Guest55871: Guess I can't be James, I am a complete noob here.
2012-10-10 01:59:00 agustinkry: of images?
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2012-10-10 01:59:11 Guest55871: Saw this site on tomshardware and decided to take a look.
2012-10-10 01:59:24 Tomato: Your name might be taken by someone else on Freenode.
2012-10-10 01:59:27 Tomato: Maybe you can be James2
2012-10-10 01:59:36 Tomato: Type /nick whateveryouwanthere
2012-10-10 01:59:37 Tomato: to change your name
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2012-10-10 02:00:10 viralgeek: What is this all about?
2012-10-10 02:00:13 James052: That works.
2012-10-10 02:00:15 James052: Thanks.
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2012-10-10 02:00:24 Tomato: agustinkry, I guess I'm a little confused on how you're using it, can you paste the coding in here.
2012-10-10 02:00:28 Tomato: Hi viralgeek!
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2012-10-10 02:00:36 viralgeek: hey!
2012-10-10 02:00:46 Tomato: Are you referring to the entire website?
2012-10-10 02:00:48 steve_s: hello viralgeek
2012-10-10 02:00:52 viralgeek: yes
2012-10-10 02:01:23 Tomato: Well, it's about playing for keeps, ya know, we're laying down the free information for you so you can learn how to work on the front end of websites.
2012-10-10 02:01:37 Tomato: But also, we'll be providing information about some backend aspects too, that's in the works.
2012-10-10 02:02:00 Tomato: So mostly information about HTML, CSS, Javascript, things like that.
2012-10-10 02:02:14 Tomato: Plus, a little about php, perl, etc.
2012-10-10 02:02:30 viralgeek: So how to create great websites?
2012-10-10 02:02:40 shepazu: practice
2012-10-10 02:02:48 steve_s: Anything about .NET and the web?
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2012-10-10 02:03:57 Guest99587: any one talking?
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2012-10-10 02:03:59 Tomato: steve_s, I haven't heard anything about .NET, but I'm sure you can propose the idea.
2012-10-10 02:04:09 Tomato: Hi Guest99587.
2012-10-10 02:04:16 paul_irish: steve_s: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
2012-10-10 02:04:21 Guest99587: ^ _ ^
2012-10-10 02:04:22 Gamfung: www.baidu.com
2012-10-10 02:04:31 paul_irish: hey ryanseddon
2012-10-10 02:04:33 dren_a: Hi~
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2012-10-10 02:04:37 Guest99587: 试试中文
2012-10-10 02:04:44 ryanseddon: paul_irish: yo
2012-10-10 02:04:47 dren_a: 尼玛，这也行
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2012-10-10 02:04:57 steve_s: thank you paul_irish
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2012-10-10 02:05:03 Gamfung: 中文照样IK
2012-10-10 02:05:05 paul_irish changed topic to: WebPlatform: ask and answer questions about web development and design   :: FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org | English only, please
2012-10-10 02:05:13 Guest99587: 还是中国人多
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2012-10-10 02:05:21 paul_irish: English only please.  you can create a new channel if you dont want to speak in english
2012-10-10 02:05:22 dren_a: 中国人哪里都有啊。。。
2012-10-10 02:05:33 Gamfung: only english？
2012-10-10 02:05:35 dren_a: 话说我是从36Kr过来的，你们呢
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2012-10-10 02:05:49 Tomato: Yeah, so everyone can understand you~
2012-10-10 02:05:56 Guest99587: 36kr帮了他大忙了
2012-10-10 02:05:57 dren_a: Oh,sorry....
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2012-10-10 02:06:16 Gamfung: QQ æ–°é—»
2012-10-10 02:06:30 Guest99587: 啥时候也能出个中文版本的呢
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2012-10-10 02:06:35 steve_s: Tomato...how long have you been involved with webplatform.org and how did you get started with them?
2012-10-10 02:06:41 dren_a: can you know Chinese?
2012-10-10 02:06:44 Tomato: I just started today actually.
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2012-10-10 02:06:50 paul_irish:  /join #webplatform-cn
2012-10-10 02:06:57 paul_irish: for chinese go there ^
2012-10-10 02:07:02 Tomato: But I have been using MediaWiki for five years.
2012-10-10 02:07:06 steve_s: ok...cool
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2012-10-10 02:07:27 Tomato: I'm just a volunteer though.
2012-10-10 02:07:36 dren_a: ping baidu.com
2012-10-10 02:07:38 Tomato: The people with @ by their name are much more involved and can answer more questions.
2012-10-10 02:07:42 Gamfung: mediawiki ， no idea
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2012-10-10 02:08:06 dren_a: i guess they are involved in TW...
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2012-10-10 02:08:42 dren_a: or weibo.com
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2012-10-10 02:09:37 steve_s: tomato..ok...I'm a .NET developer and just checked in to see what webplatform.org was all about.
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2012-10-10 02:10:50 steve_s: I've developed a few .aspx sites and am wanting to broaden my experience
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2012-10-10 02:11:12 Tomato: You should throw the idea out there if you want to write about .NET, the admins around here are pretty flexible and like hearing ideas.
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2012-10-10 02:14:51 steve_s: ok...thank you for taking the time to respond tomato
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2012-10-10 02:16:01 Tomato: No problem steve_s.
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2012-10-10 02:16:28 Tomato: if you want, you can yell at shepazu, that's who I yell at when I have ideas.
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2012-10-10 02:16:43 emtyvb: oooooooooooooooooo
2012-10-10 02:16:51 Tomato: Hi emtyvb.
2012-10-10 02:16:52 emtyvb: eeeeee
2012-10-10 02:17:12 shepazu: STOP YELLING AT MEEEE
2012-10-10 02:17:13 paul_irish: Tomato: right now backend stuff is out of scope
2012-10-10 02:17:18 steve_s: how do you leave the chat group?...I'm using Google Chrome
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2012-10-10 02:17:32 paul_irish:  close the tab?
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2012-10-10 02:17:56 steve_s: ok...I can close the tab...just wondering if there was a command or something
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2012-10-10 02:19:19 Tomato: ahh okay paul_irish, I just saw shepazu putting some stuff up about php and perl, so I figured if he wanted to ask, that would be the person to go to. Thanks though. :3
2012-10-10 02:19:35 Tomato: Also, I was just watching a video about Web Platform and saw you in it.
2012-10-10 02:19:37 shepazu: Tomato: nah, I just made placeholders
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2012-10-10 02:19:47 shepazu: this project is the first time I've really used PHP
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2012-10-10 02:19:51 nodexy: Hello there
2012-10-10 02:19:51 jkomoros: There's now a question on WPD:FAQ about this
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2012-10-10 02:20:00 jkomoros: thanks to shepazu
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2012-10-10 02:20:53 shepazu: jkomoros: well, it was your genius idea to put it in the Frequently Asked Questions after I'd answered it myself about 10 times… maybe I should have thought of that myself...
2012-10-10 02:21:01 jkomoros: :-)
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2012-10-10 02:21:24 Garbee: webplatform.org ... Keeping people awake since 10-9-2012.
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2012-10-10 02:21:49 ar_: hi to all
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2012-10-10 02:22:07 Garbee: shepazu, Now you will just need to give the FAQ link to everyone who asks since no one actually reads it up front.
2012-10-10 02:22:19 opaxa: Hi guys
2012-10-10 02:22:29 shepazu: Garbee: :) easier than typing it all again
2012-10-10 02:22:34 shepazu: hi, opaxa
2012-10-10 02:22:36 jkomoros: Even better, we just need a bot that automatically responds with the link whenever a new user writes something with a ? in it
2012-10-10 02:22:57 Garbee: Also better than me trying to remember what we ended on as far as an answer this morning too.
2012-10-10 02:23:13 Garbee: Nah, a bot for ? is going a littel too far.
2012-10-10 02:23:23 nbmatt: hm
2012-10-10 02:23:27 jkomoros: I was joking :-)
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2012-10-10 02:23:39 Garbee: Perhaps search for any server-side language and "include" and a ?.... then we have a bot.
2012-10-10 02:23:48 Tomato: Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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2012-10-10 02:24:15 Garbee: Needs to be just a tad more targeted.  Since any server-side language questions are way out of he scope of even the chatroom.
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2012-10-10 02:25:13 Tomato: paul_irish or shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Es/Animaci%C3%B3n_con_JavaScript Are Spanish pages suppose to be up already? Is the language code suppose to be in front or on the end? How should language links be formatted?
2012-10-10 02:25:22 opaxa: I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
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2012-10-10 02:26:16 Garbee: Tomato, It is only the title.  How did that happen?
2012-10-10 02:26:35 Garbee: I think someone made the title that, or a bad import.
2012-10-10 02:26:41 nbmatt: is it illegal (in terms of U.S. law) if a webmaster decided to rebel and not follow the standards? just curious how that works :)
2012-10-10 02:26:57 Garbee: nbmatt, That depends on *why* you ask.
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2012-10-10 02:27:10 jkomoros: Tomato: That file's from a long time ago
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2012-10-10 02:27:31 jkomoros: looks like it was an import of some existing content months ago, before we had even discussed how to handle translations at all
2012-10-10 02:27:41 Tomato: Ah okay.
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2012-10-10 02:27:56 Tomato: There are some Japanese pages too.
2012-10-10 02:27:59 Garbee: Oh, it is under ES.. maybe it is a test for language support?
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2012-10-10 02:28:34 jkomoros: We should mark those and make sure we do the right thing with them when we figure out what that is. :-)
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2012-10-10 02:28:45 Tomato: nbmatt, it would only be illegal if there was some sort of agreement formed between the webmaster and the client. Such as a contract.
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2012-10-10 02:28:53 Garbee: Can we please get crap like this deleted? http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1398/when-is-the-world-gong-to-end
2012-10-10 02:28:57 Tomato: If you want, I could put them in a "Foreign Language" category or something.
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2012-10-10 02:29:34 jkomoros: That might be reasonable
2012-10-10 02:29:35 Tomato: Also Garbee, I would close that but for some reason my admin forum account just broke, so I had to submit a bug for it, you can't see the close button though?
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2012-10-10 02:30:16 Garbee: hehe, obviously not.
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2012-10-10 02:30:21 opaxa: ok, looks like you are too busy, so i go
2012-10-10 02:30:27 opaxa: part
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2012-10-10 02:30:41 Garbee: What did opaxa want?  I never saw a question.
2012-10-10 02:30:47 Garbee: Oh, just found it.
2012-10-10 02:30:58 Tomato: I didn't see a question from opaxa either.
2012-10-10 02:31:03 Garbee: Oh, something I don't think we have the time for right now.
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2012-10-10 02:31:10 Garbee: <opaxa> I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
2012-10-10 02:31:13 Garbee: That was it.
2012-10-10 02:31:30 Tomato: Oh, I see.
2012-10-10 02:31:48 Garbee: Yea, I just logged back into the forum and still don't see a close button.
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2012-10-10 02:32:38 Tomato: Garbee, if it makes you feel better, maybe your account is just bugged? Mine was working earlier, but now when I move to the forum, it just shows my IP instead of my account and all my rights are gone.
2012-10-10 02:32:51 Tomato: My admin account on the wiki still works though.
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2012-10-10 02:33:02 Garbee: Tomato, I shouldn't have any admin rights on the site itself.
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2012-10-10 02:33:07 Tomato: Oh okay.
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2012-10-10 02:34:00 jkomoros: Tomato: Earlier today when I was running between meetings I saw someone talk about making some changes to some of the templates (I think)
2012-10-10 02:34:07 jkomoros: do you remember who that was or what they were saying?
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2012-10-10 02:35:28 paul_irish: jkomoros: afaik that was Tomato
2012-10-10 02:35:29 Tomato: Probably the admin from wikipedia, waldir.
2012-10-10 02:35:32 paul_irish: ya
2012-10-10 02:35:46 paul_irish: i thought you wanted to unprotect them :)
2012-10-10 02:35:54 jkomoros: ah, okay
2012-10-10 02:36:05 jkomoros: there's a lot of improvement to be done to the various templates
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2012-10-10 02:36:10 Tomato: I still do, mostly because I don't think people would vandalize them but it's just my own opinion, haha.
2012-10-10 02:36:25 jkomoros: I've been the informal owner of them so far
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2012-10-10 02:36:37 jkomoros: but I'm often in meetings during the day, so I can't follow IRC all day :-(
2012-10-10 02:36:54 jkomoros: I'd love for other folks to help "own" the templates
2012-10-10 02:36:55 jkomoros: a
2012-10-10 02:36:56 Tomato: He said he wanted to add something to the template so it would automatically categorize, and give the flags template classes so it was easier to choose flags and let them categorize, then he mentioned something about SMW and asked if I knew about it.
2012-10-10 02:37:04 Tomato: Then he disappeared, I guess maybe he went to bed or something.
2012-10-10 02:37:08 jkomoros: ah, right
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2012-10-10 02:37:22 jkomoros: also, I want to unprotect the templates soon
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2012-10-10 02:37:29 jkomoros: we just locked down some sensitive pages for the launch crunch
2012-10-10 02:37:37 Tomato: Ah okay, that makes sense.
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2012-10-10 02:37:51 jkomoros: and I didn't have a watch list in place, and there weren't enough people watching them closely
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2012-10-10 02:37:54 jkomoros: and that knew how to fix them
2012-10-10 02:38:39 jkomoros: Do you have any interest in learning about them?
2012-10-10 02:38:47 Tomato: I know templates pretty well actually.
2012-10-10 02:38:50 Tomato: If you want I can edit them.
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2012-10-10 02:39:08 Tomato: And do that stuff that Waldir mentioned.
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2012-10-10 02:39:38 jkomoros: I'd also like it if we can have discussions about architectural changes to categories/templates/properties on the mailing list
2012-10-10 02:39:39 jkomoros: t
2012-10-10 02:39:42 Tomato: I checked it out earlier, mostly when we were talking about SMW.
2012-10-10 02:39:53 jkomoros: hat way folks who can't be on the IRC channel all day (like me) can still weigh in
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2012-10-10 02:40:05 Tomato: Yeah that would be really nice because the categories are a little crazy right now.
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2012-10-10 02:40:21 jkomoros: yeah, there's TONS of room for improvement
2012-10-10 02:40:22 Tomato: I spent a few hours sorting like 300 or so uncategorized pages with a friend, but there's still a lot of duplicate categorizes.
2012-10-10 02:40:41 jkomoros: what part of the world are you from?
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2012-10-10 02:41:07 amirouche: "Bye!"
2012-10-10 02:41:13 Garbee: It works kcy.
2012-10-10 02:41:28 divya_: hey
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2012-10-10 02:41:30 kcy: hi,i am new here!
2012-10-10 02:41:34 Tomato: Hi kcy!
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2012-10-10 02:41:52 Garbee: kcy, Everyone is new here.  It launched a day ago. ;)
2012-10-10 02:42:00 Garbee: Welcome though.
2012-10-10 02:42:08 divya_: hey hw u
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2012-10-10 02:43:37 Tomato: Hi bugss.
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2012-10-10 02:44:40 Raymin: hello
2012-10-10 02:44:46 luckyjajj: hi
2012-10-10 02:44:47 Tomato: jkomoros, should I start editing templates or wait until they get discussed more with the mailing list?
2012-10-10 02:44:53 Tomato: Hi Raymin and luckyjajj.
2012-10-10 02:45:12 jkomoros: Why don't you propose your changes you want to make on the mailing list?
2012-10-10 02:45:19 thinkoo: hello
2012-10-10 02:45:20 Tomato: Okay, that would be awesome.
2012-10-10 02:45:21 jkomoros: for all intents and purposes, at this point I'm the only person that needs to respond
2012-10-10 02:45:21 Raymin: Hi Tomato
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2012-10-10 02:45:45 jkomoros: but it will be good to have a more permanent record, and also to ensure that I get a chance to see that stuff (I'm not always able to be in IRC)
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2012-10-10 02:46:14 Garbee: jkomoros, It is also good to get others input still.  Perhaps someone else will see a different way of doing things.
2012-10-10 02:46:19 jkomoros: yep
2012-10-10 02:46:20 jkomoros: definitely
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2012-10-10 02:46:44 Garbee: I feel like inbox explosion is about to occur from this mailing list.
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2012-10-10 02:46:55 Garbee: I may need to do like I did with kernel.org and make a dedicated email account for it.
2012-10-10 02:46:57 jkomoros: well, we've already got IRC explosion
2012-10-10 02:47:09 Garbee: I think explosion in here understates it.
2012-10-10 02:47:10 jkomoros: you might be able to use filters and such
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2012-10-10 02:47:26 jkomoros: brb
2012-10-10 02:47:28 Garbee: jkomoros, hosted via my web host, not that kind of control and I don't feel like piping.
2012-10-10 02:47:43 Garbee: err, forwarding would be the proper term for email.
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2012-10-10 02:50:32 nbmatt: irc explosion lol.. how many people are in here? the web client doesn't show ^_^
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2012-10-10 02:50:40 cocushio: this is neat
2012-10-10 02:50:41 Garbee: 1921.
2012-10-10 02:50:44 Garbee: 191*
2012-10-10 02:50:53 Garbee: 191 people in the room with 6 Ops.
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2012-10-10 02:51:26 nbmatt: interesting.. you guys are reviving irc haha
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2012-10-10 02:52:45 JerryBolokinoz: Hello everybody from Brazil
2012-10-10 02:53:26 Garbee: nbmatt, Do remember people tend to lurk quite a bit in IRC.
2012-10-10 02:53:28 Nick_Zaccardi: Hello JerryBolokinoz
2012-10-10 02:53:30 Tomato_: nbmatt, this IRC is always bumpin!
2012-10-10 02:53:33 Tomato_: It's a party in here
2012-10-10 02:53:45 Nick_Zaccardi: Tomato_: you get your Admin?
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2012-10-10 02:53:56 JerryBolokinoz: toc toc
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2012-10-10 02:54:47 arkhi1: Hello from China JerryBolokinoz
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2012-10-10 02:54:57 Garbee: What IRC clients do you guys use?  I don't need any explinations, just names please.
2012-10-10 02:55:09 arkhi1: Garbee: Thunderbird
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2012-10-10 02:55:22 Garbee: Wait... When did Thunderbird start doing IRC?
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2012-10-10 02:55:36 arkhi1: Since version 15 :)
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2012-10-10 02:56:14 Nick_Zaccardi: LimeChat
2012-10-10 02:56:15 nbmatt: i never knew that either
2012-10-10 02:56:36 Garbee: arkhi1, Wow.  Too bad I don't do desktop email anymore. :(
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2012-10-10 02:57:09 arkhi1: Garbee: Facebook, Google Talk, IRC, XMPP, Twitter
2012-10-10 02:57:10 Garbee: Still, I can't really use that in something I'm mocking up.  Too much extra stuff.
2012-10-10 02:57:16 Garbee: arkhi1, I saw in the release notes.
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2012-10-10 02:57:29 Garbee: Nick_Zaccardi, Nice!  I forgot about that one and i know many love it.
2012-10-10 02:57:48 Nick_Zaccardi: It you are on a Mac it is really nice
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2012-10-10 02:58:35 nbmatt: before i stopped using irc a couple years ago i used my own.. wanted simple minus the bells and whistles but beyond that if i needed to use any scripting i ran mirc
2012-10-10 02:58:46 Nick_Zaccardi: git is fighting me today
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2012-10-10 02:59:59 Garbee: I like how LimeChat is basically a web page.
2012-10-10 03:00:01 arkhi1: Nick_Zaccardi: Don’t fight… Bend as the reed
2012-10-10 03:00:08 Garbee: It uses CSS for easy changing of styles.
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2012-10-10 03:00:18 Garbee: Too bad I don't have a Mac to be able to run it. :/
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2012-10-10 03:00:40 Nick_Zaccardi: I thought git reset got rid of local changed...
2012-10-10 03:00:43 Nick_Zaccardi: changes*
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2012-10-10 03:02:39 arkhi1: Nick_Zaccardi: It gets rid of local changes locally if you don’t pass more options, I think.
2012-10-10 03:02:42 JerryBolokinoz: What is the best site to test my website performance?
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2012-10-10 03:03:10 Garbee: JerryBolokinoz, I use http://gtmetrix.com and http://webpagetest.org
2012-10-10 03:03:23 JerryBolokinoz: oh great! thaks!!
2012-10-10 03:03:34 Garbee: Be warned, getting 100% is not always the best.
2012-10-10 03:04:01 Garbee: A general guide for me is to have 90% or greater.
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2012-10-10 03:04:09 Garbee: At least on Gtmetrix.
2012-10-10 03:04:50 wghenderson: you might also check out http://stevesouders.com/ he has some great tools for accessing performance
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2012-10-10 03:05:34 Garbee: There is something else we can add to the site... Speed tips and testing.
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2012-10-10 03:06:03 NotTomato: Hi.
2012-10-10 03:06:37 arkhi1: Ho NotTomato.
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2012-10-10 03:11:30 Garbee: Any input on my reformed chat page?  http://test.jonathangarbee.com/
2012-10-10 03:12:21 Garbee: Could probably use a few more clients.
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2012-10-10 03:13:39 Tomato: Garbee, sorry I disconnected, which clients? o;
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2012-10-10 03:14:22 Garbee: Tomato, I was asking what IRC clients people used to link to in my idea for a reformed chat page.  http://test.jonathangarbee.com/    If you have any suggestions please let me know.
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2012-10-10 03:16:44 Tomato: HexChat? It's basically XChat, except instead it's free. Pidgin is also pretty good for IRC and also allows you to connect to other things, I've used that before too.
2012-10-10 03:17:16 Ricky_zhang: hey
2012-10-10 03:17:25 Garbee: Tomato, Xchat is free, except for Windows.  And there is a installer from Silverex for Windows that is free but uses GTK instead of the Windows UI engine.
2012-10-10 03:17:31 gelatocar: I'm using adium for mac at the min, I haven't used IRC much but it seems to work well.
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2012-10-10 03:17:38 Tomato: Yeah, I just mean HexChat was free for windows.
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2012-10-10 03:18:25 Garbee: I'm going to add a link to pidgin and a few others.  I'm not going to worry about linking to forks of paid for software made free since if people *really* care they will search themselves.
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2012-10-10 03:19:10 Tomato: Yeah true, okay. (:
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2012-10-10 03:19:39 Garbee: I'd hope that users may install one and decide they like it and pay for the development time compared to just linking to free versions everywhere.  I think devs to deserve a little cash for their efforts, so why not help out a little.
2012-10-10 03:19:46 xiaopangge: 菜鸟出来乍到
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2012-10-10 03:20:29 Tomato: I guess I was just thinking of people who might not have too much money to spare, but of course, if they want something free, they can look it up.
2012-10-10 03:20:33 Garbee: Is it *legal* to fork xchat and make it free on Windows.  Ofc it is.  But I still feel a little better by not linking to all that just to help people avoid paying for other peoples time.
2012-10-10 03:20:37 arkhi1: Garbee: Pidgin?
2012-10-10 03:20:43 pwnang:  /msg nickserv help
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2012-10-10 03:21:00 Garbee: Pidgin is a chat client for all kinds of protocols including IRC.
2012-10-10 03:21:09 arkhi1: Garbee: Sorry, didn’t read the whole backlog before suggesting. :p
2012-10-10 03:21:10 Garbee: http://pidgin.im/
2012-10-10 03:21:20 arkhi1: (that was a suggestion, yes)
2012-10-10 03:21:21 Garbee: Oh, that was another suggestion.
2012-10-10 03:21:27 Garbee: ok, we are on the same page now then.
2012-10-10 03:21:38 arkhi1: Sorry for the confusion. :)
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2012-10-10 03:22:08 Garbee: It is all cool.  We didn't get too far into some random conversation over miscommunication... Which actually happens to me a bit too often.
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2012-10-10 03:22:52 arkhi1: You can alternatively link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Clients
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2012-10-10 03:23:20 Garbee: Even better:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
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2012-10-10 03:24:42 www_: hello
2012-10-10 03:24:46 ryanseddon: gonna push a blog post live real soon but check out how broken optgroups are in iOS6 safari http://youtu.be/PPRUVzeo4TM
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2012-10-10 03:27:15 Tomato: Oh god, Mechromancer just came out for Borderlands 2 early, I have to go play omg. I'll be back in the morning.
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2012-10-10 03:28:03 xiaopangge: 番茄.你在芝加哥?
2012-10-10 03:28:22 Tomato: Also hi xiaopangge.
2012-10-10 03:28:33 Tomato: Please speak English so we can understand you!
2012-10-10 03:29:05 xiaopangge: OK
2012-10-10 03:29:20 Tomato: Thanks. :D
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2012-10-10 03:30:28 arkhi1: part
2012-10-10 03:30:28 wghenderson:  thats some f'd up shit ryanseddon
2012-10-10 03:30:33 ctoveloz[BR]: HexChat is the best
2012-10-10 03:30:41 Garbee: wghenderson, What is?
2012-10-10 03:31:09 wghenderson: the broken optgroups in iOS6
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2012-10-10 03:32:04 Garbee: Oh, that stuff.  I'm thinking it is just a bug and will get fixed.
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2012-10-10 03:33:03 wghenderson: Probably, but working in the mobile space it is good to know
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2012-10-10 03:33:27 Afei: 中文用户围观
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2012-10-10 03:33:42 Garbee: wghenderson, Any issues like that are good to know.  Then you don't try to do something and spend hours attempting to figure it out.
2012-10-10 03:33:47 Garbee: ;)
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2012-10-10 03:34:07 wghenderson: agreed, been there done that
2012-10-10 03:34:08 Garbee: Afei, Please speak English and use UTF-8 Characters.
2012-10-10 03:34:19 Garbee: Oh, the time I have wasted debugging known bugs...
2012-10-10 03:34:35 Garbee: Freaking Gnome/Unity.
2012-10-10 03:34:44 Garbee: ^^Why I don't use Linux as my desktop OS anymore.
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2012-10-10 03:35:16 www_: 中午好w
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2012-10-10 03:35:27 wghenderson: @Garbee i can imagine
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2012-10-10 03:38:24 bird_: hi,all
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2012-10-10 03:46:17 Tomato: Hi arkhi, welcome!
2012-10-10 03:46:30 Tomato: Hi bird_.
2012-10-10 03:46:47 arkhi: Hello again Tomato :)
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2012-10-10 03:47:04 sss: hi
2012-10-10 03:47:07 Tomato: Hi.
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2012-10-10 03:47:42 achuan: 你好哈<arkhi>
2012-10-10 03:47:46 achuan: 你好哈!arkhi
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2012-10-10 03:56:12 Guest14191: Why did my nick change?
2012-10-10 03:56:21 Tomato_: Because someone else on Freenode is using your name.
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2012-10-10 03:56:30 Guest14191: ah
2012-10-10 03:56:30 eternicode: or vice versa
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2012-10-10 03:56:36 Tomato_: Type /nick whateveryouwanthere to change your nickname
2012-10-10 03:56:39 tony_: hello
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2012-10-10 03:56:45 praveen___: hello
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2012-10-10 03:56:55 Ali: Hi
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2012-10-10 03:56:58 steveyang: successfully changed my name lol
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2012-10-10 03:57:12 Ali: this looks fimiliar
2012-10-10 03:57:17 Tomato_: Hi Ali.
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2012-10-10 03:57:28 Nick_Zaccardi: I give up... today is just not my day
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2012-10-10 03:57:31 Ali: it has sound aswell
2012-10-10 03:57:39 Tomato_: What's wrong Nick_Zaccardi?
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2012-10-10 03:58:07 lele__: Hello everyone
2012-10-10 03:58:10 Nick_Zaccardi: Tomato_: git is fighting me, php is fighting me, my server is fighting me...
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2012-10-10 03:58:56 Nick_Zaccardi: I think it is time for a new language!
2012-10-10 03:59:04 Nick_Zaccardi: Python... here I come
2012-10-10 03:59:04 lele__: it's time to lunch
2012-10-10 03:59:14 Tomato_: python is fun.
2012-10-10 03:59:21 Nick_Zaccardi: Rumor has it...
2012-10-10 03:59:28 plamoni: How about Ruby? It's fun for at least one program :-P
2012-10-10 03:59:44 lele__: One program?
2012-10-10 03:59:45 Nick_Zaccardi: I gave Ruby a shack a few months back
2012-10-10 03:59:45 Ali: Python is just fun
2012-10-10 03:59:59 charlieok: I tried to create an account on webplatform.org but it said “The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again.” However I *do* have cookies enabled
2012-10-10 04:00:01 Nick_Zaccardi: Here is the thing I like about pgp
2012-10-10 04:00:06 Nick_Zaccardi: php*
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2012-10-10 04:00:19 Nick_Zaccardi: Get a LAMP running and it jut goes
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2012-10-10 04:00:34 Nick_Zaccardi: And let's be honest it is not hard to get a LAMP running
2012-10-10 04:00:50 plamoni: Nick_Zaccardi: Yeah, but it's wicked hard to secure
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2012-10-10 04:01:04 Tomato_: charlieok, try hard refreshing and registering again, hit ctrl+f5
2012-10-10 04:01:26 Nick_Zaccardi: maybe, but I am not writing defense code...
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2012-10-10 04:01:55 Nick_Zaccardi: not that security isn't important... I just mean that the barrier to entry is work the risk
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2012-10-10 04:02:47 plamoni: I think the problem with LAMP servers is the L and A parts… and maybe the M
2012-10-10 04:02:51 plamoni: and partially the P
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2012-10-10 04:03:08 plamoni: if you want to do web development, there's no need to become a sysadmin in the process
2012-10-10 04:03:09 lele__: It s time for lunch
2012-10-10 04:03:14 lele__: It s time for lunch
2012-10-10 04:03:16 lele__: It s time for lunch
2012-10-10 04:03:17 lele__: It s time for lunch
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2012-10-10 04:03:26 plamoni: there are some really nice "PaaS" solutions out there
2012-10-10 04:03:28 Nick_Zaccardi: lele__: congrats.
2012-10-10 04:03:30 plamoni: like AppEngine
2012-10-10 04:03:33 plamoni: and Heroku
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2012-10-10 04:03:53 plamoni: that will let you ignore the LA and most of the M, and stick to the P or J of your choice :-D
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2012-10-10 04:04:26 plamoni: fewer parts to manage == much easier to secure
2012-10-10 04:04:27 charlieok: I'm wondering what the registration page on webplatform.org means by “we could not confirm its source”. What exactly is it attempting to confirm?
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2012-10-10 04:05:04 Nick_Zaccardi: plamoni: I agree. Do you know of any Python PaaS that run with 3.0
2012-10-10 04:05:17 plamoni: i don't think AppEngine supports 3.0 yet
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2012-10-10 04:06:32 Nick_Zaccardi: I will have to give it a chance
2012-10-10 04:06:40 plamoni: heroku also supports python
2012-10-10 04:06:50 plamoni: but also not 3.0 yet
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2012-10-10 04:06:58 Nick_Zaccardi: I have minimal experience with heroku
2012-10-10 04:07:22 plamoni: i'm growing to love heroku's git-based deployment model
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2012-10-10 04:08:14 Nick_Zaccardi: That is handy
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2012-10-10 04:08:23 Nick_Zaccardi: But you need to have a local dev set up
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2012-10-10 04:08:48 plamoni: yeah, but it's not hard
2012-10-10 04:08:54 plamoni: you just need Node.js
2012-10-10 04:08:54 Nick_Zaccardi: which means you are back to dev-ops again
2012-10-10 04:09:01 Mr_Sunshyne: Thanks for launching this platform.
2012-10-10 04:09:07 jjjjjkl: lool
2012-10-10 04:09:08 Mr_Sunshyne: Hope it helps many people!
2012-10-10 04:09:10 Mr_Sunshyne: :P
2012-10-10 04:09:13 Mr_Sunshyne: glhf
2012-10-10 04:09:35 plamoni: but it's pretty minimal… and with LAMP, you're stuck trying to manage configuration between your different tiers (dev and prod)
2012-10-10 04:09:40 jjjjjkl: its chat table really?
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2012-10-10 04:10:00 plamoni: and with something like Heroku, the configuration is managed via Git, so it's easily copied over
2012-10-10 04:10:10 Nick_Zaccardi: I suppose.
2012-10-10 04:10:17 Nick_Zaccardi: This all goes back to a few things
2012-10-10 04:10:23 Nick_Zaccardi: well, one big thing
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2012-10-10 04:10:32 Nick_Zaccardi: It is not easy to develop for the web any more
2012-10-10 04:10:43 plamoni: it was easy before?
2012-10-10 04:10:57 Nick_Zaccardi: easier than it is now
2012-10-10 04:11:19 plamoni: was it? or was it just that people set their bar a bit lower? :-)
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2012-10-10 04:11:32 Nick_Zaccardi: maybe, maybe not
2012-10-10 04:11:34 plamoni: i mean, if you just want to drop some HTML on a web server, that's easier than ever
2012-10-10 04:11:36 charlieok: Looks like webplatform.org will happily create an account using an email address from a well-known provider like gmail.com but will fail to “confirm” if given an email from (in my case) a domain I registered myself
2012-10-10 04:11:39 plamoni: but that's not enough anymore
2012-10-10 04:11:53 Nick_Zaccardi: true.
2012-10-10 04:12:08 Nick_Zaccardi: regardless
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2012-10-10 04:12:35 Nick_Zaccardi: It is not easy and I find myself getting frustrated more and more
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2012-10-10 04:13:01 Nick_Zaccardi: maybe I am just dumb...
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2012-10-10 04:13:04 Nick_Zaccardi: :)
2012-10-10 04:13:20 Nick_Zaccardi: When all else fails self-deprecate! jk.
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2012-10-10 04:14:40 Nick_Zaccardi: well, those brain cells are shutting off quickly...  Tomorrow is a new day. until then, gn
2012-10-10 04:14:42 Guest91974: hi
2012-10-10 04:14:42 plamoni: heck, you've got paul_irish here to answer all your frontend development questions… and probably a bunch more people I really should know but don't :-/
2012-10-10 04:14:51 charlieok: Did I break a rule here? I apologize if I did...
2012-10-10 04:15:01 plamoni: night, Nick_Zaccardi!
2012-10-10 04:15:14 Nick_Zaccardi: plamoni: good night. talk to you soon!
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2012-10-10 04:17:52 Tomato_: Hi tunxtinx.
2012-10-10 04:18:00 Tomato_: I guess I'll report it.
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2012-10-10 04:34:01 Tomato_: Welcome NeXy.
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2012-10-10 04:34:27 NeXy: Where find good job if my town is not big? Where i could found a job in internet ?
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2012-10-10 04:35:10 TehRealGawd: NeXy, most people don't hire front-end from developers unless they have a degree and extensive experience
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2012-10-10 04:35:21 TehRealGawd: and then they just use wordpress and other things
2012-10-10 04:35:38 astropirate_: what?
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2012-10-10 04:35:40 astropirate_: thats not true
2012-10-10 04:35:48 astropirate_: well..
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2012-10-10 04:35:54 astropirate_: but not so much for freelance stuff
2012-10-10 04:36:00 astropirate_: or if you got the inside hooksies
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2012-10-10 04:36:21 TehRealGawd: front-end is so easy to do though that many people use pre-compiled websites
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2012-10-10 04:36:29 TehRealGawd: and the ones who don't use those already have their site made
2012-10-10 04:36:40 XING_: ping www.baidu.com
2012-10-10 04:36:44 NeXy: But how they start their career ?
2012-10-10 04:37:04 TehRealGawd: front-end web development is dying job market in my opinion
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2012-10-10 04:37:41 astropirate_: NeXy, depends on what kind of jobs you want. if you want small-time jobs try odeks elance guru   etc
2012-10-10 04:37:41 XING_: this application is long polling
2012-10-10 04:37:44 XING_: ???
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2012-10-10 04:37:53 XING_: this application is long polling??????
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2012-10-10 04:38:18 anil: hi
2012-10-10 04:38:25 paris: Alguien que hable español??
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2012-10-10 04:38:44 anil: may i know when will you complete this website
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2012-10-10 04:39:39 NeXy: Ok, but if i want create own project, what do i do ?
2012-10-10 04:39:59 astropirate_: NeXy, you start it
2012-10-10 04:40:03 astropirate_: NeXy, not sure what you are asking
2012-10-10 04:40:23 redboot: NeXy: What's the project?
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2012-10-10 05:12:26 arkhi: darkodelta:  http://talk.webplatform.org/
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2012-10-10 05:20:07 Guest99935: Does Web Platform support multilingual right now? I can't see any way to edit content in another language?
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2012-10-10 05:21:08 arkhi: Guest99935: It should be possible in a few weeks, if the answer I had yesterday was correct.
2012-10-10 05:21:11 llll: test ....
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2012-10-10 06:04:34 PingWin87: why?
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2012-10-10 06:08:52 zhodge: any way to find all of the stubs?
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2012-10-10 06:10:05 THANGLH: HI ALL
2012-10-10 06:10:16 art-divin: hi there
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2012-10-10 06:12:43 Anenth: wow this is great
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2012-10-10 06:12:54 arkhi: hello art-divin, and Anenth
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2012-10-10 06:13:35 Anenth: hello arkhi
2012-10-10 06:13:35 JohnJohn: Have a question already, am using latest Google Chrome with all default settings and somehow it displays all websites Headers and Input boxes in italic...why is that|?
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2012-10-10 06:14:30 astropirate_: So.......
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2012-10-10 06:14:33 astropirate_: Anyone hirigin? :D
2012-10-10 06:14:46 arkhi: JohnJohn: Do you have URL and screenshots?
2012-10-10 06:14:47 LeoKwok: :)
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2012-10-10 06:15:09 art-divin: as i suspect, this platform is intended to become the main competitor for stackoverflow :)
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2012-10-10 06:16:10 JohnJohn: there is no URL as it happens on all websites
2012-10-10 06:16:15 arkhi: art-divin: This should probably better be an educational content, more than a help platform.
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2012-10-10 06:16:28 JohnJohn: and sceenshots, just imagine all header tags being italic :) haha
2012-10-10 06:16:29 arkhi: That’s how I understood it, at least.
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2012-10-10 06:17:41 JohnJohn: weird thing is that this only happen on Google chrome browser, firefox and IE are fine
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2012-10-10 06:18:26 art-divin: well, it's very nice for all those software giants to participate in something ONE and Open!
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2012-10-10 06:19:25 Guest55021: 为什么非要说英文呢？
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2012-10-10 06:21:14 arkhi: Guest55021: 请不屑中文。 ;)
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2012-10-10 06:31:26 Peskovdv: hello all
2012-10-10 06:31:39 mxaos: anybody here?
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2012-10-10 06:31:59 arkhi: indeed mxaos
2012-10-10 06:32:01 arkhi: hello
2012-10-10 06:32:11 mxaos: so many people involved in html5/css3?
2012-10-10 06:32:12 tocka_: this is something new
2012-10-10 06:32:14 tocka_: ::)))
2012-10-10 06:32:19 mxaos: hi arkhi
2012-10-10 06:32:30 mxaos: hi tocka
2012-10-10 06:32:31 arkhi: But most of people in US are sleeping, and Chinese I saw coming here were speaking chinese and left shortly after. :p
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2012-10-10 06:33:00 mxaos: just bought two books on the subject
2012-10-10 06:33:08 mxaos: seems great
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2012-10-10 06:33:17 arkhi: It is. :)
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2012-10-10 06:34:26 arkhi: Probably closer to the frontend dev
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2012-10-10 06:36:07 mxaos: cool this old flavoured irc chat
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2012-10-10 06:36:31 mxaos: seem being back to '90s :)
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2012-10-10 06:40:49 johanderowan: i want to contribute to webplatform, but i'm not sure where to put my content (tutorials)
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2012-10-10 06:41:30 johanderowan: for example, i have this tutorial on how to implement a google map with directions... can i put it in the docs, and if so: where?
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2012-10-10 06:41:42 arkhi: Hi johanderowan
2012-10-10 06:41:51 johanderowan: hi :)
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2012-10-10 06:42:03 arkhi: You might be willing to look at the topic of the chan
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2012-10-10 06:42:17 arkhi: I think what you’re looking for is there.
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2012-10-10 06:42:45 arkhi: But maybe you can have a look at this as well: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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2012-10-10 06:47:42 horse_ebooks: https://soundcloud.com/sneakyness/rough_20th_operater1_disaster
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2012-10-10 06:52:19 holo: 在线杀毒
2012-10-10 06:52:25 holo: web socket？
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2012-10-10 06:56:35 arkhi: lopopo: As the topic says, please use English in this chan.
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2012-10-10 07:02:08 td: hi
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2012-10-10 07:02:42 td: nice work
2012-10-10 07:02:42 Lifesnoozer: Read error: Connection reset by peer
2012-10-10 07:02:55 Richard_Ainz: wouldnt know, I am n00b here
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2012-10-10 07:07:26 astropirate_: Is this freenode's troll centeral
2012-10-10 07:07:27 astropirate_: lol
2012-10-10 07:07:32 astropirate_: all i've seen for the past two days
2012-10-10 07:07:36 astropirate_: is peple coming here saying high
2012-10-10 07:07:38 astropirate_: hi*
2012-10-10 07:07:45 astropirate_: and then slapping each other with trouts :S
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2012-10-10 07:08:29 k2: hii
2012-10-10 07:08:36 ctoveloz[BR]: astropirate_,  hi
2012-10-10 07:09:02 k2: may I know wer ur from
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2012-10-10 07:10:00 arkhi: China
2012-10-10 07:10:08 MaSTeRx: Lithuania
2012-10-10 07:10:25 arkhi: If you imply the country of residence and not the country where one’s born. :)
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2012-10-10 07:11:52 astropirate_: The dark side of the moon
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2012-10-10 07:14:42 Hoang_Minh_Hai: hay nhi
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2012-10-10 07:17:11 ky: hi
2012-10-10 07:17:16 baotm: hello
2012-10-10 07:17:29 JakeA: Feature request: Put WPD in search results or urls
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2012-10-10 07:18:10 JakeA: I often google for "mdn gradients" for example, would be great to be able to do "wpd gradients"
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2012-10-10 07:25:28 Sandkorn: Good morning!
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2012-10-10 07:25:43 arkhi: Good afternoon Sandkorn. :p
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2012-10-10 07:25:51 Sandkorn: :D
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2012-10-10 07:26:32 hinfra: hello?
2012-10-10 07:26:41 Grephix: hi.
2012-10-10 07:26:50 hinfra: amazing initiative
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2012-10-10 07:27:57 Grephix: iknowrite :>
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2012-10-10 07:28:19 WhoKnows: Good morning! :)
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2012-10-10 07:28:53 Richard_Ainz__: so got it up via Trillian instead of web, better
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2012-10-10 07:32:20 WhoKnows: For a starting community there are a lot of people in this room! Im impressed,
2012-10-10 07:32:32 WhoKnows: cant wait to see what this site will become in time :)
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2012-10-10 07:32:54 Richard_Ainz__: well, if some were to actually talk, we might progress a bit
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2012-10-10 07:33:13 David_Blaine: Прюэт братюнчеги
2012-10-10 07:33:22 Richard_Ainz__: English please
2012-10-10 07:33:32 WhoKnows: haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
2012-10-10 07:33:56 Grephix: [09:38:15] <WhoKnows> haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
2012-10-10 07:34:00 iaebusobak: But what about russian?
2012-10-10 07:34:00 Richard_Ainz__: I am not. I am just interested in this and messing around with my irc settings
2012-10-10 07:34:02 Grephix: Or just here to idle, like the majority of IRC.
2012-10-10 07:34:26 David_Blaine: english not true language
2012-10-10 07:34:36 WhoKnows: Ahh, fine, there is a chance of that too.
2012-10-10 07:34:43 Richard_Ainz__: David, ok, but English goes here, sorry
2012-10-10 07:34:49 WhoKnows: what kind of irc settings are you messing with? (i didnt use it a lot in the past)
2012-10-10 07:35:00 WhoKnows: are there fun options to explore?
2012-10-10 07:35:14 Richard_Ainz__: lol, neither did I, I set it up via my regular chat software, Trillian
2012-10-10 07:35:17 _WiZZarD: And there I am, thinking IRC is for idling only
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2012-10-10 07:35:35 Grephix: _WiZZarD: apparently we are supposed to..
2012-10-10 07:35:38 Grephix: *shrugs*
2012-10-10 07:35:40 Richard_Ainz__: it is a communicating tool, but i may be mistaken
2012-10-10 07:35:41 WhoKnows: Slowly people are waking up,, now there are already 4 people alive!
2012-10-10 07:35:44 Grephix: socialize
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2012-10-10 07:35:56 _WiZZarD: soci*what?
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2012-10-10 07:36:10 Richard_Ainz__: you know, facebook junkies
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2012-10-10 07:36:18 Grephix: _WiZZarD: not a clue.
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2012-10-10 07:36:23 _WiZZarD: next you tell me its about meeting new people and having fun together, doing things etc.
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2012-10-10 07:36:31 lorem: <script>alert(tutu)</script>
2012-10-10 07:36:32 Grephix: Talking about interests
2012-10-10 07:36:33 Grephix: etc
2012-10-10 07:36:36 Grephix: lorem: oh wow, nice.
2012-10-10 07:36:38 _WiZZarD: scary
2012-10-10 07:36:51 Grephix: _WiZZarD: I guess I should stop using a bouncer then
2012-10-10 07:36:59 David_Blaine: lorem. XSS?)
2012-10-10 07:36:59 Grephix: as that gives people the impression I am actually here 24/7
2012-10-10 07:37:08 _WiZZarD: hehe
2012-10-10 07:37:10 WhoKnows: thats a good thing mate,
2012-10-10 07:37:17 _WiZZarD: count me in on that as well ;)
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2012-10-10 07:37:19 WhoKnows: people will respect you!
2012-10-10 07:37:26 Grephix: David_Blaine: and a bad attempt at it as well
2012-10-10 07:37:28 Richard_Ainz__: lol, answering question 24/7 as well then?
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2012-10-10 07:37:31 Grephix: variable tutu was not set :(
2012-10-10 07:37:35 WhoKnows: of course!
2012-10-10 07:37:36 _WiZZarD: not a 'real' bouncer though, just a nifty client :)
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2012-10-10 07:37:58 Grephix: Richard_Ainz__: as long as it's a PM with 'are you active right now': yes I will
2012-10-10 07:38:07 Grephix: as my bouncer reacts with 'not here right now' or something along that line
2012-10-10 07:38:07 Grephix: :+
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2012-10-10 07:38:59 Munter: I thought everyone was running in screen or using a bouncer
2012-10-10 07:39:03 Richard_Ainz__: well, gonna have to talk to some russian friends about a project, talk to you later,if you want some, poke me
2012-10-10 07:39:12 WhoKnows: have fun!
2012-10-10 07:39:17 Grephix: cya mate
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2012-10-10 07:39:31 Grephix: Munter: apparently not
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2012-10-10 07:39:50 Munter: irssi in screen. Perfect combo
2012-10-10 07:40:08 Grephix: true that
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2012-10-10 07:40:30 WhoKnows: Lets see
2012-10-10 07:40:30 _WiZZarD sticks to quassel
2012-10-10 07:40:33 WhoKnows: opinion:
2012-10-10 07:40:43 Grephix: though, I'm running mIRC
2012-10-10 07:40:54 WhoKnows: what is the most interesting function/method/tag/whatever in HTML5 or CSS3?
2012-10-10 07:40:55 Munter: That thing still lives?
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2012-10-10 07:41:14 hooloovoo: WhoKnows: Canvas?
2012-10-10 07:41:14 Grephix: Munter: yea, apparently
2012-10-10 07:41:16 _WiZZarD: define thing Munter, u mean quassel or mIRC?
2012-10-10 07:41:35 Munter: _WiZZarD: mIRC. Never heard og quassel before
2012-10-10 07:41:41 Munter: s/og/of
2012-10-10 07:41:41 _WiZZarD: ah
2012-10-10 07:41:44 Grephix: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/3a99982639e0e713d2f5d63c62d5a307.png
2012-10-10 07:42:06 _WiZZarD: havent used mIRC in ages :)
2012-10-10 07:42:15 Munter: Just got a flashback from the 90's :)
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2012-10-10 07:42:33 Grephix: I bought myself a license once and descided not letting that go to waste :>
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2012-10-10 07:42:55 DongGyu: asdf
2012-10-10 07:42:55 Munter: WhoKnows: Most interesting tag: object. It has been there for years, yet people have no clue how to use it
2012-10-10 07:42:58 _WiZZarD: Munter: quote from their site: "Quassel IRC is a modern, cross-platform, distributed IRC client, meaning that one (or multiple) client(s) can attach to and detach from a central core."
2012-10-10 07:43:03 _WiZZarD: easiest way to describe ;)
2012-10-10 07:43:13 Lifesnoozer: Read error: Connection reset by peer
2012-10-10 07:43:13 Lifesnoozer_: I've never seen anyone who's bought mIRC before
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2012-10-10 07:43:18 David_Blaine: how to hide bot message ?
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2012-10-10 07:43:23 David_Blaine: bot spam
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2012-10-10 07:44:29 WhoKnows: pretty much
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2012-10-10 07:45:27 jech: hello
2012-10-10 07:45:27 Hajdari: hello
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2012-10-10 07:45:32 Hajdari: hello
2012-10-10 07:45:33 jech: hi
2012-10-10 07:45:37 WhoKnows: Good morning!
2012-10-10 07:45:38 Munter: David_Blaine: /ignore
2012-10-10 07:45:42 ttesssta: irc will never die, i guess
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2012-10-10 07:48:08 Pooya: microsoft, please fuck IE7, if not, I'll fuck it :@
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2012-10-10 07:48:50 WhoKnows: i wonder....
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2012-10-10 07:48:57 Pooya: I have a big cock and your ie will have a huge hole in center of it :@
2012-10-10 07:49:15 WhoKnows: isnt there a tool where you can load your localhost, and the tool will let you view the website in multiple browsers?
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2012-10-10 07:49:50 David_Blaine: Pooya, IE is not browser xDD
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2012-10-10 07:49:55 WhoKnows: because i noticed that there are small differences when you put IE 9 in a former version, or just use the former version\
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2012-10-10 07:50:18 WhoKnows: someone know if there is a tool like that? afk's? :)
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2012-10-10 07:50:29 Tarakan: Hi
2012-10-10 07:50:41 WhoKnows: hey
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2012-10-10 07:50:58 Tarakan: Какие дела посоны?
2012-10-10 07:50:59 WhoKnows: im being ignored lol, ill be back when its a bit more lively in here! :)
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2012-10-10 07:51:10 sahok: привет всем
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2012-10-10 07:51:30 Pooya: hi all
2012-10-10 07:51:38 Pooya: check my out on www,1pooya.me
2012-10-10 07:51:40 David_Blaine: Хаббэффектик :)
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2012-10-10 07:52:41 _WiZZarD: English plz
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2012-10-10 07:52:59 _8976906: привет
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2012-10-10 07:53:03 _8976906: приаети
2012-10-10 07:53:06 rajan: hello is there some one?
2012-10-10 07:53:17 _8976906: yes
2012-10-10 07:53:21 JohnQ: hi everyone
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2012-10-10 07:53:37 _8976906: i em russia
2012-10-10 07:53:38 rajan: may i know to whom i chating?
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2012-10-10 07:54:08 _WiZZarD: random people most likely ;)
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2012-10-10 07:55:37 rajan_: @divya
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2012-10-10 07:55:57 David_Blaine: Allah Akbar
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2012-10-10 07:56:42 rajan_: can anyone help me?
2012-10-10 07:56:51 Grephix: rajan_: just ask the question mate
2012-10-10 07:57:01 rajan_: thanks
2012-10-10 07:57:07 mstalfoort: rajan, where can we help you with
2012-10-10 07:57:12 rajan_: i am new in this community
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2012-10-10 07:57:20 Grephix: ok.
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2012-10-10 07:57:30 mstalfoort: rajan, you're not the only one ;)
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2012-10-10 07:57:44 _WiZZarD: new community means mostly new people ;)
2012-10-10 07:57:48 rajan_: ok thanks
2012-10-10 07:57:49 Grephix: :>
2012-10-10 07:58:10 rajan_: can you tell me what acjeatly this websites do?
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2012-10-10 07:58:17 Grephix: inform and educate
2012-10-10 07:58:20 berm0o0da: hi I who is familar with jqGrid?
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2012-10-10 07:59:03 mstalfoort: berm0o0da,  i think you have to switch to #jquery channel
2012-10-10 07:59:13 ognus: very interesting project... are you guys planning to create wikipedia for web dev standards :)?
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2012-10-10 07:59:29 David_Blaine: This site only English localization, discrimination
2012-10-10 07:59:30 mstalfoort: ognus, it already is ;)
2012-10-10 07:59:32 Grephix: ognus: that's more or less the idea
2012-10-10 07:59:43 Grephix: David_Blaine: discrimination?
2012-10-10 07:59:44 berm0o0da: ok thanks
2012-10-10 07:59:46 Grephix: And why is that mate?
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2012-10-10 07:59:52 Grephix: You expect everyone to speak every single language?
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2012-10-10 07:59:58 Grephix: English is simply the most widespread.
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2012-10-10 08:00:43 mstalfoort: Grephix, english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
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2012-10-10 08:01:10 David_Blaine: more language skill :)
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2012-10-10 08:01:24 Grephix: mstalfoort: I know. Choosing for english as primary however is far from discrimination, however.
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2012-10-10 08:02:21 Wanpeng: i just want to say "vertical-align" is not good as it can be
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2012-10-10 08:06:55 DevZone: this chat used WebSocket ?
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2012-10-10 08:08:12 sz0ka: Hey guys
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2012-10-10 08:10:32 Jajay: no web socket. it seem to use "normal" http methods
2012-10-10 08:10:41 Jajay: probably with ajax
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2012-10-10 08:11:38 _WiZZarD: its qweb irc
2012-10-10 08:11:54 Lifesnoozer: Pretty sure it's a java thing
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2012-10-10 08:12:00 _WiZZarD: javascript clientside
2012-10-10 08:12:07 _WiZZarD: compiled stuff serverside
2012-10-10 08:12:09 _WiZZarD: oslt
2012-10-10 08:12:23 katxoupi: hi buddies
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2012-10-10 08:21:52 INKERS: hi
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2012-10-10 08:22:15 INKERS: <b>=)</b>
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2012-10-10 08:22:40 INKERS: what is this?
2012-10-10 08:22:43 heyheyhey: chat
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2012-10-10 08:22:49 INKERS: i know
2012-10-10 08:22:53 Grephix: :')
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2012-10-10 08:22:55 INKERS: im about site
2012-10-10 08:22:58 heyheyhey: webplatform?
2012-10-10 08:23:01 INKERS: y
2012-10-10 08:23:06 heyheyhey: Mm...
2012-10-10 08:23:25 Eminos: paul irish is my idol :)
2012-10-10 08:23:26 StomCube: asdfg
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2012-10-10 08:23:41 heyheyhey: school work web page maybe..
2012-10-10 08:23:52 INKERS: discussion about standards?
2012-10-10 08:24:16 arkhi: INKERS: “aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation.”
2012-10-10 08:24:40 StomCube: what would be the best way to align a image in the center ?
2012-10-10 08:24:45 StomCube: *an image
2012-10-10 08:24:52 INKERS: or a site where companies can measure themselves
2012-10-10 08:25:03 heyheyhey: use css
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2012-10-10 08:26:18 CharliePrynn: @INKERS http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
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2012-10-10 08:26:52 arkhi: I don’t mind that companies measure themselves if it’s beneficial to the community.
2012-10-10 08:26:52 arkhi: In that case, I suppose they all put a lot of efforts into this; gathering all those informations in one place is a quite big challenge.
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2012-10-10 08:27:36 kornekeN: hi
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2012-10-10 08:27:53 kornekeN: @shepazu I've got question.
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2012-10-10 08:28:22 kornekeN: @shepazu http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1319/webplatform-users-become-aware-learning-attack-defend-against and will WebPlatform have official fanpage's on Facebook and Google+ ?
2012-10-10 08:28:31 zupa: sup?
2012-10-10 08:28:38 DevZone: ZFS v28 for OS X Mountain Lion = http://zalil.ru/33837053
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2012-10-10 08:30:22 donovanh: Is there an about page or similar? I'm struggling to understand what this is.
2012-10-10 08:30:49 Grephix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded
2012-10-10 08:30:56 Grephix: The introduction video
2012-10-10 08:31:01 Grephix: Ought to give you some insight
2012-10-10 08:31:12 ognus1: i have a question, would like to contribute a little to docs... is it OK to copy material from http://www.w3.org/TR/?
2012-10-10 08:31:23 mstalfoort: donovanh, check this http://blog.webplatform.org/
2012-10-10 08:31:31 donovanh: Cool thanks!
2012-10-10 08:31:58 mstalfoort: donovanh, ..and this  https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/
2012-10-10 08:32:10 arkhi: donovanh: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#Tasks
2012-10-10 08:32:24 Grephix: ognus1: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-20021231
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2012-10-10 08:33:51 ognus1: Grephix: thanks
2012-10-10 08:33:56 donovanh: Nice. I'm liking this. Will poke around and see if I can contribute.
2012-10-10 08:34:07 mstalfoort: donovanh, yay
2012-10-10 08:34:13 Grephix: cool donovanh
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2012-10-10 08:34:57 Jaspio: Greetings all
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2012-10-10 08:35:29 Sandkorn: btw. what type of license is the imported stuff? Are we supposed to "rewrite" that stuff as well?
2012-10-10 08:35:46 Grephix: Sandkorn: imported stuff?
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2012-10-10 08:36:04 Sandkorn: MSDN / MDN imports for example
2012-10-10 08:36:05 DevZone: Grephix, please add translate to other language mediawiki
2012-10-10 08:36:07 rajan: can anyone tell me which is the best payments api
2012-10-10 08:36:10 Grephix: You are allowed to rewrite anything on which you think you can do a better job.
2012-10-10 08:36:28 Grephix: rajan: you honestly think this is the best place for that question? ;)
2012-10-10 08:36:37 Grephix: Depends on your needs and budget as well.
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2012-10-10 08:37:13 Grephix: DevZone: as mstalfoort stated beautifully earlier today:
2012-10-10 08:37:17 Grephix: <mstalfoort> english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
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2012-10-10 08:37:31 AshKyd: Hi all. The "Data Type" field on the wiki only has "string", "number" and "DOM node" as options. How can we go about getting "object" added? Or am I missing something.
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2012-10-10 08:37:49 jepetko: hi guys ;-)
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2012-10-10 08:37:55 AshKyd: I guess "function" would be useful too.
2012-10-10 08:38:02 Grephix: hi jepetko
2012-10-10 08:38:06 jepetko: hi Grephix.
2012-10-10 08:38:09 jepetko: nice platform
2012-10-10 08:38:15 Sandkorn: if i get it right, we're supposed to get rid of most of the CC-BY-SA stuff, yet there seems to be imported stuff with that license (css propertie pages as example)
2012-10-10 08:38:16 Grephix: agread ;)
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2012-10-10 08:39:25 dariush: Hello guys :)
2012-10-10 08:39:57 Jaspio: hi @dariush
2012-10-10 08:40:59 dariush: I wanna learn css3 can any one help me?
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2012-10-10 08:42:01 arkhi: dariush: That’s a pretty huge topic… Did you look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css ?
2012-10-10 08:42:10 Grephix: dariush: you might try #css
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2012-10-10 08:42:55 dariush: I know CSS and a little css3 but i want learn advanced
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2012-10-10 08:44:42 ognus1: Grephix: based on http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231 you have to link back to w3 docs when copying content... but for example the pag http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/CSS/Selectors/universal_selectore doesn't do it... what should i do :)?
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2012-10-10 08:46:23 Grephix: ognus1: it's mostly a good habbit to link back whenever using text from a different source
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2012-10-10 08:47:44 Grephix: However, in this specific situation I'm not sure, as webplatform is an iniative of w3c, ognus1
2012-10-10 08:47:46 Grephix: hi swain
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2012-10-10 08:48:00 swain: What's up everybody?
2012-10-10 08:48:25 Grephix: nm
2012-10-10 08:49:32 ognus1: Grephix: yeap, thanks... tricky with w3c...
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2012-10-10 08:50:08 Grephix: ognus1: yea. I'd recommend linking back in this case. Can't hurt :)
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2012-10-10 08:50:29 test: wow I didn't actually expect people to really be herec hatting
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2012-10-10 08:50:49 swain: Hm... Anybody know's a good IRC client for mac?
2012-10-10 08:51:10 test: hmm
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2012-10-10 08:51:15 swain: Since the lack of colors in this web version is driving me nuts. :D
2012-10-10 08:51:16 test: I haven't used IRC in more than 10 years
2012-10-10 08:51:21 pzich: irssi
2012-10-10 08:51:21 twat: think it was called xirc
2012-10-10 08:51:44 Grephix: lack of colors, swain? ;)
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2012-10-10 08:51:47 test: truth be told I'm totally baffled that people still use IRC
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2012-10-10 08:51:55 ognus1: Grephix: ok, thanks:)
2012-10-10 08:51:56 Grephix: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/83419146271aa31c9b70c107274887b3.png < how's that for a lack of colors
2012-10-10 08:52:04 _WiZZarD: lack of colours is usually a indication of a good irc client imho ;)
2012-10-10 08:52:10 Grephix: also: i've heard good things about Colloquy
2012-10-10 08:52:15 Grephix: No experience though
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2012-10-10 08:52:32 pzich: I know x-chat and Snak are popular on OS X, but I've not used either
2012-10-10 08:52:38 si-m1: test: stuff that just works usually stick around
2012-10-10 08:52:41 swain: Colloquy, I've used that, a few years ago. :o I think I'll go back to that. Thanks guys.
2012-10-10 08:52:48 test: true
2012-10-10 08:52:54 Grephix: I'm still waiting for my Macbook Pro to be delivered
2012-10-10 08:52:55 pzich: ah yeah, Colloquy
2012-10-10 08:53:02 Grephix: I'll be able to give you some pointers after that ;)
2012-10-10 08:53:02 test: do people sitll use it for what they used it years ago? (to download files)
2012-10-10 08:53:08 pzich: Grephix: of the retina variety?
2012-10-10 08:53:13 Grephix: yeap
2012-10-10 08:53:18 Grephix: budget allowed it
2012-10-10 08:53:21 pzich: nice, I'm on one of those right now
2012-10-10 08:53:22 twat: yep people use irc to download
2012-10-10 08:53:22 test: I remember it was kinda like dos or unix in that you could use commands and download files from people
2012-10-10 08:53:27 swain: So, where's everybody from?
2012-10-10 08:53:31 si-m1: test: think it's mostly used for open source projects and gaming now
2012-10-10 08:53:32 Grephix: shame everything is glued on the board or otherwise unable to be upgraded though, pzich
2012-10-10 08:53:39 test: crazy
2012-10-10 08:53:41 test: lol
2012-10-10 08:53:42 twat: also check out dc++
2012-10-10 08:53:45 Grephix: test: you are on IRC right now :>
2012-10-10 08:54:00 test: I used to use MIRC to get mp3s back then
2012-10-10 08:54:10 Grephix: < running mIRC right now
2012-10-10 08:54:15 test: it was the best place for that until napster and those apps came out
2012-10-10 08:54:17 Grephix: once bought a license, never stopped using it
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2012-10-10 08:54:19 pzich: well, SSD is upgradeable, everything else I don't imagine being much more upgradeable without a new mobo anyway
2012-10-10 08:54:29 Grephix: pzich: memory?
2012-10-10 08:54:38 pzich: did you not go 16?
2012-10-10 08:54:40 Grephix: Also: SSD is upgradeable, by apple
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2012-10-10 08:54:52 test: I just hope these chats don't turn into crappy fanboy cliques like at stack overflow
2012-10-10 08:54:53 pzich: there are third party vendors working on it
2012-10-10 08:54:54 Grephix: You are not able to upgrade the SSD yourselve :<
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2012-10-10 08:54:57 pzich: I think some are about ready
2012-10-10 08:54:58 Grephix: True that
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2012-10-10 08:55:11 Grephix: AFAIK its not a regular SSD anymore
2012-10-10 08:55:15 Stas_: Hm
2012-10-10 08:55:20 Grephix: so not all SSDs will fit
2012-10-10 08:55:27 pzich: well, it isn't in the airs either, but there are third party vendors for that
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2012-10-10 08:55:29 Grephix: also, no, I went for 8GB mem
2012-10-10 08:55:32 pzich: http://www.techpowerup.com/170508/OWC-Announces-Mercury-Aura-Pro-First-SSD-Upgrade-for-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
2012-10-10 08:55:34 Grephix: true that
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2012-10-10 09:00:35 zwagng9: what?
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2012-10-10 09:01:23 ognus1: swain: Poland, currently based in New Zealand
2012-10-10 09:01:59 swain: Nice! New Zealand is on my 'definitely need to visit country' list. :)
2012-10-10 09:02:04 swain: I mean
2012-10-10 09:02:08 swain: Middle Earth.
2012-10-10 09:02:12 swain: not New Zealand
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2012-10-10 09:03:14 ognus1: hehe yeah middle earth :) its really nice country... not only for Tolkien fans :)
2012-10-10 09:03:20 swain: I know. :)
2012-10-10 09:03:22 swain: Well
2012-10-10 09:03:32 ognus1: great sceneries
2012-10-10 09:03:38 swain: I mean, I think I know. ;) Myself I'm a dutchy, based in Germany.
2012-10-10 09:03:44 swain: And 21 years old./
2012-10-10 09:03:52 ix14n: zomg. irc.
2012-10-10 09:04:00 ognus1: nice
2012-10-10 09:04:20 ognus1: bean few times in Germany :)
2012-10-10 09:04:32 ognus1: been
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2012-10-10 09:04:56 Grephix: swain: a dutchy in Germany ey?
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2012-10-10 09:05:00 Grephix: Nice
2012-10-10 09:05:06 Grephix: In Germany for business?
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2012-10-10 09:05:13 James: Hello
2012-10-10 09:05:32 James is now known as Guest6612
2012-10-10 09:05:35 swain: No, living there now for a yet unknown period of time. Moved here for love. ;)
2012-10-10 09:05:44 mynameisozz: hi all o/
2012-10-10 09:05:45 swain: Hello James.
2012-10-10 09:05:56 Guest6612: Hello Swain
2012-10-10 09:06:05 Guest6612: Are there are official W3C tools to validate my webpages ?
2012-10-10 09:06:11 JakeA: a/s/l
2012-10-10 09:06:16 arkhi: swain: Good reason to move. :)
2012-10-10 09:06:32 swain: Haha, would say so. Next week a year together.
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2012-10-10 09:06:54 swain: So far pretty successful. 2 months ago finished school. Now freelancing. :)
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2012-10-10 09:07:03 Guest6612: Guys, little help here
2012-10-10 09:07:05 As4xk: Guest6612: http://validator.w3.org/
2012-10-10 09:07:14 lol_: hi people
2012-10-10 09:07:23 Guest6612: I am looking for an offline tool, preferably a browser extension
2012-10-10 09:07:31 lol_: Client Quit
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2012-10-10 09:07:48 swain: Guest6612: What browser?
2012-10-10 09:08:02 Guest6612: Fireox
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2012-10-10 09:08:32 swain: Guest6612: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/offline-page-validator/
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2012-10-10 09:08:54 sandroid: morning everyone
2012-10-10 09:09:09 Guest6612: That extension will connect to W3C, is there something that can be done offline?
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2012-10-10 09:09:34 arkhi: Guest6612: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
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2012-10-10 09:09:44 As4xk: Guest6612: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Tidy
2012-10-10 09:09:51 arkhi: This should help you…
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2012-10-10 09:10:10 Guest6612: Great, will try those two
2012-10-10 09:10:27 Guest6612: Also, does any one know where I can find the skin of the mediawiki used by this site?
2012-10-10 09:10:30 swain: Morning sandroid
2012-10-10 09:10:32 Guest6612: webplatform.org
2012-10-10 09:11:02 Grephix: I'm guessing its custom build, Guest6612
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2012-10-10 09:11:49 Guest6612: Well, since its opensource, I believe it should be made available to public
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2012-10-10 09:12:07 arkhi: Guest6612: It is, you just need to check the source.
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2012-10-10 09:12:25 Guest6612: where can find the source arkhi
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2012-10-10 09:12:47 Grephix: Guest6612: right click > view source? ;-)
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2012-10-10 09:13:23 chrismills: Morning all
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2012-10-10 09:13:29 Grephix: lo chrismills
2012-10-10 09:13:31 Guest6612: I am looking for the mediawiki template used by this site, not the source of this webpage
2012-10-10 09:13:35 B4el: hi all
2012-10-10 09:13:51 Grephix: Guest6612: I am guessing it's not available for download mate.
2012-10-10 09:13:53 B4el: are there somebody from russia?
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2012-10-10 09:14:44 B4el: I need help, but my english isn't very well
2012-10-10 09:14:55 RazdoR: Yes. I'm from Russia
2012-10-10 09:15:02 Grephix: B4el: it's an english only channel mate
2012-10-10 09:15:02 B4el: проверка
2012-10-10 09:15:05 arkhi: Does it say anywhere on webplatform.org that it’s open source, by the way?
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2012-10-10 09:15:07 Grephix: Give it a try ;)
2012-10-10 09:15:23 B4el: ok
2012-10-10 09:15:26 Guest6612: No, I am just asuming it is. Is it not?
2012-10-10 09:15:32 swain: I don't think so.
2012-10-10 09:15:34 swain: The content is.
2012-10-10 09:15:35 arkhi: Why would it be? :)
2012-10-10 09:15:37 Grephix: Guest6612: the source ís open, is it not?
2012-10-10 09:15:40 chrismills: arkhi: I don't think so. Mabye we ought to say that in the FAQ
2012-10-10 09:15:45 chrismills: Maybe*
2012-10-10 09:15:55 swain: @ChanServ Hello
2012-10-10 09:15:57 swain: Hm.
2012-10-10 09:15:58 swain: :P
2012-10-10 09:16:01 B4el: voobshem servak lomanuli (somedody hack my website)
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2012-10-10 09:16:07 Guest6612: So, are you saying webplatform.org is not open source?
2012-10-10 09:16:25 _WiZZarD: does it have to be?
2012-10-10 09:16:25 chrismills: Guest6612: No - it is. It's built on open source products
2012-10-10 09:16:34 RazdoR: lol
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2012-10-10 09:16:45 chrismills: But that's not a major selling feature ion our eyes
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2012-10-10 09:16:47 chrismills: in*
2012-10-10 09:17:01 tom_: ting
2012-10-10 09:17:03 chrismills: lol - it's free anyway, but you know what I mean ;-)
2012-10-10 09:17:08 Sandkorn: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/99/is-webplatform-org-code-open
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2012-10-10 09:17:24 B4el: Does DLE 9.6 have some exploit?
2012-10-10 09:17:40 swain: Too bad the /slap command doesn't seem to work.
2012-10-10 09:17:45 swain slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large fishbot
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2012-10-10 09:17:50 swain: Ah :P
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2012-10-10 09:18:18 eke: hey guys
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2012-10-10 09:18:37 Guest6612: Yes, you are right. Its built on open source products.
2012-10-10 09:18:38 swain: Hey eke
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2012-10-10 09:18:49 Grephix: lol swain
2012-10-10 09:18:50 Grephix: n1
2012-10-10 09:18:51 Guest6612: I would really love to have the skin used the mediawiki on this site
2012-10-10 09:19:43 chrismills: Sandkorn: we are planning to open up the code used for the skin, etc., too, probably on github, but that's a low priority thing right now, with al the immediate server bugs to sort out ;-)
2012-10-10 09:19:48 chrismills: It's in the queue ;-)
2012-10-10 09:20:13 RazdoR: habrahabr
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2012-10-10 09:20:27 Guest6612: Great, that would be helpful, Chrismills
2012-10-10 09:20:36 Guest6612: I am assuming you are one of the admins here
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2012-10-10 09:20:57 B4el: Hm, where i can read about "how do microsoft MetroUI web site at home?"
2012-10-10 09:21:24 chrismills: Guest6612 - I work for Opera, who are one of the stewards; I'm basically their representative on webplatform. Short answer: yes ;-)
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2012-10-10 09:22:28 Guest6612: That's great. Since you've been very helpful, Is there any way I can contact you personally. I have a few questions about validation,  which would take long to post here.
2012-10-10 09:22:57 RazdoR: B4el, http://www.stephanemassey.com/metro-design-principles/
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2012-10-10 09:24:09 B4el: RazdoR, thanks
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2012-10-10 09:24:45 dharani: actually i want to build reader app in html 5
2012-10-10 09:24:50 dharani: can i ger any help
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2012-10-10 09:25:55 bertolottipf: www.bertolottipf.it what do you thik about it?
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2012-10-10 09:26:47 paul_irish: chrismills: can you register your nick on freenode
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2012-10-10 09:27:19 paul_irish:  /ns help register
2012-10-10 09:27:32 Guest6612: I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but whenever I use facebook plugins on my site, the page doesn't get validated. I know its a common problem, but is there a solution for  it?
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2012-10-10 09:28:17 Guest6612: Also, what validation software do you use to validate your webpages
2012-10-10 09:28:24 chrismills: Guest6612: did you get my private message sending you my e-mail so you can ask me? ;-)
2012-10-10 09:28:37 Guest6612: I did not get the message
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2012-10-10 09:29:01 Guest6612: I never used IRC and right now I am using the one on webplatform.org
2012-10-10 09:29:02 chrismills: paul_irish: cheers Paul. When I type that in, all the help message comes up in growl notification windows, which is not very helpful ;-)
2012-10-10 09:29:13 nanick: Türk yok mu aranız da?
2012-10-10 09:29:17 chrismills: Guest6612: ah, ok - sorry about that!
2012-10-10 09:29:24 swain: paul_irish: Thanks for being who/what you are btw. ;)
2012-10-10 09:29:28 Guest6612: can i post my email address here?
2012-10-10 09:29:29 paul_irish: <3z
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2012-10-10 09:29:36 chrismills: paul_irish: I'll get it sorted in a minute
2012-10-10 09:29:36 Grephix: chrismills: /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
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2012-10-10 09:29:39 paul_irish: chrismills: ok
2012-10-10 09:29:53 paul_irish: also that ^
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2012-10-10 09:30:33 chrismills: Guest6612: it would be better if you download an IRC client to use - way better than using the web version
2012-10-10 09:30:40 chrismills: what Os are you on?
2012-10-10 09:31:03 tobie: Guest6612: or give irccloud.com a spin. It's really good.
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2012-10-10 09:31:07 nanick: Türk yok mu aranız da?
2012-10-10 09:31:12 Guest6612: I will try
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2012-10-10 09:31:19 chrismills: Guest6612: for the validation question - I use http://html5.validator.nu/ to validate my sites
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2012-10-10 09:31:46 chrismills: Guest6612: and yes, a lot of 3rd part plugins and stuff do tend to wreck your validation. This is one bad thing about using them
2012-10-10 09:31:55 swain: Where can I find the connection settings for the chat so I can get it on my Colloquy?
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2012-10-10 09:32:27 alquhait: hey
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2012-10-10 09:32:40 Guest6612: chrismills: can you send me your email address to castor_t          @   ymail dot com
2012-10-10 09:32:46 alquhait: how r u guys?
2012-10-10 09:32:48 Grephix: swain
2012-10-10 09:32:53 Grephix: connect to one of following servers: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
2012-10-10 09:32:56 As4xk: swain: freenode #webplatform
2012-10-10 09:33:01 Grephix: does not matter which one
2012-10-10 09:33:04 chrismills: Guest6612: But as long as the site works well and follows best practice, it doesn't matter if you have a few validation errors. Validation is a useful tool for debugging code, but it is not an absolute
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2012-10-10 09:33:47 chrismills: Guest6612: done
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2012-10-10 09:34:04 Guest6612: Thank you Very much
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2012-10-10 09:34:37 Guest6612: I got to run now..  Thanks all for your help...
2012-10-10 09:34:47 chrismills: Guest6612: bye!
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2012-10-10 09:35:37 swain_: Ha.
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2012-10-10 09:35:50 Guest6612: One last question, which software do you use to connect ot IRC. So that I can use it the next time I'm here
2012-10-10 09:35:54 swain: So, that worked. :)
2012-10-10 09:35:56 Guest6612: I am new to IRC :)
2012-10-10 09:36:01 kranius: hello #webplatform
2012-10-10 09:36:09 As4xk: Guest6612: which OS?
2012-10-10 09:36:15 Guest6612: Windows
2012-10-10 09:36:18 arkhi: Guest6612: Pidgin works on anything
2012-10-10 09:36:31 Guest6612: Do I have to signup for a user name or something?
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2012-10-10 09:36:55 deneme: hi guys
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2012-10-10 09:37:00 swain: Guest6612: Yes, you can do that
2012-10-10 09:37:07 arkhi: Guest6612: If you want to make sure nobody will use it, yes.
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2012-10-10 09:37:15 swain: Use /ns help REGISTER
2012-10-10 09:37:17 arkhi: elsehow just use what you like as nickname
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2012-10-10 09:37:19 swain: I believe.
2012-10-10 09:37:35 Guest6612: Thanks guys. It
2012-10-10 09:37:39 Guest6612: It's been fun. Have a good one.
2012-10-10 09:37:43 swain: Same to you
2012-10-10 09:37:49 arkhi: See you around
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2012-10-10 09:38:03 chrismills: Grephix paul_irish ok, I've just registered my nick. What do I do now? Does this allow me to properly become and admin, and stuff?
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2012-10-10 09:38:12 deneme: beyler okuyan biÅŸey desin ?
2012-10-10 09:38:15 neom: hi
2012-10-10 09:38:22 neom: okudum diorum
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2012-10-10 09:38:40 swain: Hey, why is my slap command not working? :o
2012-10-10 09:38:43 deneme: ne ayak buralar :D
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2012-10-10 09:38:51 paul_irish: let's not slap in this channel, swain :)
2012-10-10 09:38:58 paul_irish: be nice.
2012-10-10 09:38:59 arkhi: deneme: Please use English only. :)
2012-10-10 09:39:09 Grephix: chrismills: yea
2012-10-10 09:39:11 swain: Aww :( But /hug doesn't seem to work also paul_irish
2012-10-10 09:39:17 swain: ;)
2012-10-10 09:39:17 deneme: which foot are there ?
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2012-10-10 09:39:23 paul_irish: chrismills: yup. you may have to /ns identify on reconnecting too
2012-10-10 09:39:25 Grephix: chrismills: channel admins will be enabled to hand out roles to your nick
2012-10-10 09:39:27 Chyvakoff: Hi
2012-10-10 09:39:30 paul_irish: but you'll get auto-opped
2012-10-10 09:39:36 Chyvakoff: O_o
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2012-10-10 09:39:45 Grephix: chrismills: also: people are no longer able to use your nick, as it is registered
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2012-10-10 09:39:50 chrismills: cool!
2012-10-10 09:39:51 yasser: wassap people !
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2012-10-10 09:39:54 Grephix: paul_irish: you might hand auto-op to my account as well
2012-10-10 09:39:57 Grephix runs
2012-10-10 09:39:57 yasser: quit
2012-10-10 09:40:01 chrismills: I am relatively inexperienced in using IRC too ;-)
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2012-10-10 09:40:05 swain hugs arkhi 
2012-10-10 09:40:08 swain: :D
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2012-10-10 09:40:13 paul_irish: Grephix: once i know you better we can work that out :)
2012-10-10 09:40:24 chrismills: paul_irish: what does "auto-opped" mean?
2012-10-10 09:40:26 Grephix: Hehe, no worries
2012-10-10 09:40:26 deneme: how i can use robo plus clearly ?
2012-10-10 09:40:36 paul_irish: when you join the channel Chanserv will op you.
2012-10-10 09:40:38 sandroid: heh, i was suprised to actually see the webplatform use IRC .. sooo oldschool :) i like it
2012-10-10 09:40:39 swain: Grephix: You mysterious soul, who are you?
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2012-10-10 09:40:55 kranius: IRC is serious win
2012-10-10 09:40:57 Grephix: Define mysterious soul?
2012-10-10 09:41:01 Grephix: kranius: can't agree with you more :>
2012-10-10 09:41:04 Grephix: Way underrated.
2012-10-10 09:41:05 kranius: social before the web
2012-10-10 09:41:08 eschatonic: IRC seems a natural choice, but again I think this is a point where the stackexchange model works better.
2012-10-10 09:41:12 Grephix: It was cool before it was cool.
2012-10-10 09:41:18 kranius: :>
2012-10-10 09:41:20 paul_irish: eschatonic: i think SO is better for support yes
2012-10-10 09:41:29 sandroid: i wonder how long until people start pulling up custom mirc scripts or similars in this chat :)
2012-10-10 09:41:33 eschatonic: The chat system there is an evolution of IRC
2012-10-10 09:41:46 Grephix: hehe
2012-10-10 09:41:56 Grephix: custom mirc scripts?
2012-10-10 09:42:00 chrismills: I only started using IRC because it is only way you can actually get Opera core developers to talk to you ;-)
2012-10-10 09:42:01 sandroid: "bots"
2012-10-10 09:42:13 mstalfoort: chrismills, lol
2012-10-10 09:42:18 Grephix: kk
2012-10-10 09:42:24 Grephix: I was guessing something along the lines of
2012-10-10 09:42:25 Grephix enjoys Muse - The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
2012-10-10 09:42:28 kranius: chrismills: good enough
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2012-10-10 09:42:36 swain: Grephix: Mysterious soul > Person that has a certain shade of mystery hanging around him/her.
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2012-10-10 09:42:45 Grephix: hehe
2012-10-10 09:42:54 Grephix: Just another webdeveloper mate :)
2012-10-10 09:42:56 chrismills: part
2012-10-10 09:42:57 sandroid: irc has been a breeding ground for lots of wares channels back in the days before torrents and p2p networks
2012-10-10 09:43:00 swain enjoys Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - The Heist
2012-10-10 09:43:00 Grephix: 24 y/o living in the Netherlands
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2012-10-10 09:43:18 swain: Where in that little wet and cold country?
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2012-10-10 09:43:22 Grephix: sandroid: and as fas as I understand it still is
2012-10-10 09:43:25 swain: If I may ask.
2012-10-10 09:43:26 paul_irish: swain: i'm all about Thrift Shop. so hard.
2012-10-10 09:43:29 _WiZZarD: Netherlands \o/
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2012-10-10 09:43:40 deneme: how i can learn software ?
2012-10-10 09:43:41 sandroid: Grephix: i'm sure of it :) old habits die hard
2012-10-10 09:43:41 swain: paul_irish: Try also Wing$, amazing.
2012-10-10 09:43:42 swain: :)
2012-10-10 09:43:43 swain: Or
2012-10-10 09:43:43 Grephix: swain: I live in Amersfoort and work in Hilversum
2012-10-10 09:43:48 swain: Same love
2012-10-10 09:43:57 paul_irish: kay
2012-10-10 09:44:06 swain: First rap I heard that's positive about same sex love
2012-10-10 09:44:07 Grephix: deneme: 'learn software'?
2012-10-10 09:44:09 Grephix: Define software? :++
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2012-10-10 09:44:30 swain: Grephix: Work perhaps for the NOS?
2012-10-10 09:44:36 sandroid: software: piece of spagetti code that runs in a loop and eventually crashes :P
2012-10-10 09:44:50 Grephix: swain: nope
2012-10-10 09:44:50 deneme: like robo+or c++ ..
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2012-10-10 09:44:56 _WiZZarD: lol
2012-10-10 09:45:02 Grephix: Atm I find myself working for a small Internet Bureau
2012-10-10 09:45:04 swain: Grephix: Ah, okay, would've been a lucky guess.  :P
2012-10-10 09:45:11 Grephix: Hehe
2012-10-10 09:45:14 AntonioK: Hi everyone
2012-10-10 09:45:19 deneme: hi
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2012-10-10 09:45:53 mstalfoort: which one Grephix ?
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2012-10-10 09:46:38 swain: Is it just me or does every developer has this moments that he/she says to himself/herself "God, I'm brilliant."
2012-10-10 09:46:38 Grephix: Websight, mstalfoort
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2012-10-10 09:46:48 swain: And than, 2 seconds later you wish you didn't say it?
2012-10-10 09:46:48 swain: :P
2012-10-10 09:46:54 sandroid: absolutely :)
2012-10-10 09:46:57 Grephix: Rofl
2012-10-10 09:46:58 Grephix: yea
2012-10-10 09:46:58 mstalfoort: aha, know that one ;)
2012-10-10 09:47:04 Grephix: srsly?
2012-10-10 09:47:16 _WiZZarD: swain: its easier to keep a recording of that sentence, and just loop it all day
2012-10-10 09:47:21 As4xk: Hakuna matata
2012-10-10 09:47:31 Grephix: What from, mstalfoort? :)
2012-10-10 09:47:32 sandroid: what a wondeful day
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2012-10-10 09:48:00 arkhi: As4xk: Jambo
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2012-10-10 09:48:12 aw: HI!
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2012-10-10 09:48:23 aw: dsafdsf
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2012-10-10 09:48:36 mstalfoort: Grephix, know one of the original founders (S.Reijn)
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2012-10-10 09:48:53 swain: _WiZZarD: So true. :)
2012-10-10 09:48:54 Grephix: Ah, Sander
2012-10-10 09:48:56 Grephix: Way before my time :)
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2012-10-10 09:50:05 chrismills: hey there ae
2012-10-10 09:50:07 eschatonic: So, are there any plans to separate out the forum into multiple sections, or at least enforce category tagging?
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2012-10-10 09:50:24 chrismills: eschatonic: that's a good idea. I'll add it to the to do list
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2012-10-10 09:50:58 alexfl: hi!
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2012-10-10 09:51:18 alexcl: wtf bugs connect?
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2012-10-10 09:52:11 eschatonic: chrismills: hopefully it will make the chaos slightly more manageable
2012-10-10 09:52:15 swain: chrismills: How long is that to-do list as I might ask? :P
2012-10-10 09:52:22 swain: if*
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2012-10-10 09:52:35 sandroid: hm.. you know what would be fun as well .. if the whole points system would have an api so that a custom bot in the channel could give out points for stuff answered in here :)
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2012-10-10 09:52:46 chrismills: swain: Ummmm, VERY ;-)
2012-10-10 09:53:02 swain: Was afraid for that answer.
2012-10-10 09:53:08 chrismills: sandroid: that is a cool idea
2012-10-10 09:53:24 eschatonic: Also, would it be helpful to start producing a list of suggested design/typography/usability changes?
2012-10-10 09:53:46 eschatonic: I know they're likely to be waaay down the priority list
2012-10-10 09:54:05 As4xk: Are webplatform not planning to contain information about php, asp, jsp, etc?
2012-10-10 09:54:15 chrismills: eschatonic: sure. If you have a lot of ideas, the best way to log them is just to fie bugs, at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-10 09:54:41 sandroid: chrismills: well if you want any help with that, i'll be lurking around here anyway :) running irc on my dedicated box all day :)
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2012-10-10 09:55:00 arkhi: time to go… Have fun!
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2012-10-10 09:55:22 Castor_T: Hi guys, I am back. Just installed an IRC client.
2012-10-10 09:55:46 Castor_T: I am glad to see webplatform, a platform for the community :)
2012-10-10 09:56:04 chrismills: As4xk: we are planning on including some introductory material on server-side topics, and then linking to more detailed references elsewhere. Our remit is client-side technologies, and we want to stick to this mostly.  If we tried to cover all the server-side stuff as well, the site would just be unmanageable. Covering all the client side stuff in detail is ambitious as it is!
2012-10-10 09:56:28 deneme: admin de var mı bu sitede ? :)
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2012-10-10 09:56:50 Castor_T: Since facebook is a steward of webplatform, aren't they supposed to designed plugins which are don't break the html code when validating?
2012-10-10 09:57:05 Grephix: Heh Castor_T: good point
2012-10-10 09:57:06 chrismills: Castor_T hello again ;-)
2012-10-10 09:57:29 Castor_T: Thanks Chris. I am just getting the hang of using IRC
2012-10-10 09:57:32 chrismills: Castor_T: It is often difficult, especially when doing stuff with Flash, and DHTML
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2012-10-10 09:57:42 deneme: =bi dahha
2012-10-10 09:57:50 chrismills: I wouldn't beat them up too much about it. they are doing a great thing by supporting this project.
2012-10-10 09:58:18 eschatonic: chrismills: will do. I notice there are a fair few logged already. :)
2012-10-10 09:58:19 As4xk: chrismills: Yes. I guess it would :p
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2012-10-10 09:58:33 Castor_T: what's the role of stewards in webplatform? I am assuming its to design web standards.
2012-10-10 09:58:42 chrismills: eschatonic: thanks!
2012-10-10 09:58:42 mamameya: for a web design beginner, the webplattform is a very good starting point. thanks
2012-10-10 09:59:05 chrismills: mamameya: glad it's helpful. Most of that beginning stuff comes from the Opera web standards curriculum ;-)
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2012-10-10 09:59:49 chrismills: Castor_T the role of the stewards is to shape the project, manage it, build the site, donate content, and provide fuding and other resources to keep the site going
2012-10-10 10:00:17 chrismills: But we don't want to tell everyone what to do; just to guide the community in making the site their own
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2012-10-10 10:01:44 Castor_T: Is php part of W3C ?
2012-10-10 10:02:01 nguyenquocthe: ok
2012-10-10 10:02:04 Castor_T: I mean, will it be a part of the webplatform.org
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2012-10-10 10:02:29 mamameya: Is it possible that webplattform can generate the web page to pdf format, so that I can put it into my mobile device to learn?
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2012-10-10 10:03:50 ThijsWostyn: hello everyone!
2012-10-10 10:03:54 swain: Hello ThijsWostyn
2012-10-10 10:04:04 icaaq: Hi chrismills long time no see :)
2012-10-10 10:04:08 sandroid: brb
2012-10-10 10:04:11 ThijsWostyn: great website
2012-10-10 10:04:17 Castor_T: I guess webplatform should add a page where user can recommend features for the website, and you could implement the most requeted features
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2012-10-10 10:04:28 chrismills: icaaq - hey man! Good to see you here ;-)
2012-10-10 10:04:28 ThijsWostyn: from where are you guys?
2012-10-10 10:04:29 Grephix`dev: Castor_T: there is. W3c bugtracker
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2012-10-10 10:05:09 chrismills: ThijsWostyn: I live in Manchester UK
2012-10-10 10:05:25 icaaq:  is the wikisource on github or something? some things are not that accessible as it should be imho
2012-10-10 10:05:30 chrismills: Castor_T - file suggestions for additions to the site as bugs
2012-10-10 10:05:40 Castor_T: cool
2012-10-10 10:05:47 chrismills: icaaq - that's on the to do list
2012-10-10 10:05:48 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-10 10:05:51 Kevin3: Hi all. o/
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2012-10-10 10:06:26 chrismills: mamameya: that's a nice idea, but a lot of work to implement. For now, you could generate your own PDFs? ;-)
2012-10-10 10:06:47 icaaq: chrismills: whatis? the github thing or to make it more accessible? :)
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2012-10-10 10:07:23 mamameya: I just use the google chrome to generate the pdf file, but I still not happy with that kind of output.
2012-10-10 10:08:07 Castor_T: mamameya: If you want individual pages, I guess google chrome has added a new feature recently to save a webpage as pdf or you could find some extension for other browsers to do that. You could save the pages you like.
2012-10-10 10:08:15 mstalfoort: mamameya, have u tried http://www.web2pdfconvert.com/ yet?
2012-10-10 10:08:17 chrismills: icaaq both ;-)
2012-10-10 10:08:18 Castor_T: mameya: right, so you know it :)
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2012-10-10 10:08:32 mamameya: thanks.
2012-10-10 10:08:34 icaaq: chrismills: awesome :)
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2012-10-10 10:08:59 Grephix`dev: mamameya: why not just save it as HTML, I wonder?
2012-10-10 10:09:11 Grephix`dev: ought to work on mobile devices as well
2012-10-10 10:09:14 Castor_T: reg. validation, I still think w3c should give some *offline* tool to validate webpages. It will be helpful.
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2012-10-10 10:11:48 mstalfoort: Castor_T,  you can have a validator installed locally, http://about.validator.nu/#src
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2012-10-10 10:12:18 TicTic: Hi all
2012-10-10 10:12:23 hitalex: hi
2012-10-10 10:12:39 TicTic: Who contributes documents to this site?
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2012-10-10 10:12:41 Castor_T: <mstalfoort> is it easy to install and use?
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2012-10-10 10:12:54 Castor_T: tictic: I guess webplatform is an part of w3c
2012-10-10 10:12:56 Grephix`dev: TicTic: the community does
2012-10-10 10:12:57 mamameya: thanks, Grephix`dev.
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2012-10-10 10:13:16 mstalfoort: Castor_T, havent tried it, so cant really say... i only know its there ;)
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2012-10-10 10:13:40 TicTic: I mean is msdn or apple info is merged by w3c people or microsoft or apple is contributing it
2012-10-10 10:13:46 Cromwell_: hello guys
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2012-10-10 10:15:13 Castor_T: I see that many website have already started using HTML5. Last time, I read, its still a draft
2012-10-10 10:15:19 Castor_T: wonder why people are using html5 already
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2012-10-10 10:15:48 Grephix`dev: Because of the advantages it offeres, Castor_T?
2012-10-10 10:15:51 Castor_T: tictic: here's the list of stewards: http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/
2012-10-10 10:15:53 Grephix`dev: It's already quite wide implemented
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2012-10-10 10:16:13 TicTic: <Castor_T> Almost all browse suports HTML5
2012-10-10 10:16:15 Grephix`dev: Early adaptors are the ones that get the job finished
2012-10-10 10:16:21 TicTic: I mean latest version
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2012-10-10 10:16:42 Castor_T: Is it recommended by search engines  like google or bing?
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2012-10-10 10:20:19 JamesPotter: not coll, that a "web platform" site have a problem with design in opera.
2012-10-10 10:20:26 WhoKnows: HTML5 is a great tool, if supported. If not supported you can use the old stuff. HTMl5 simply has advantages in speed, implementation, etc.
2012-10-10 10:20:36 WhoKnows: *tool --> markup language*
2012-10-10 10:20:44 TicTic: Web Platform Docs is currently in alpha. Web Platform Docs is an open wiki that anyone can help improve.
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2012-10-10 10:21:06 chrismills: remember that HTML5 basically IS HTML4
2012-10-10 10:21:13 chrismills: but with some extra stiff thrown on top
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2012-10-10 10:21:17 chrismills: stuff* ;-)
2012-10-10 10:21:22 swain|dev: Same as CSS3 right chrismills?
2012-10-10 10:21:31 chrismills: pretty much, yes
2012-10-10 10:21:39 beverloo: The CSS level 3 specifications build on top of CSS2.1 as well
2012-10-10 10:21:45 Castor_T: But will the html5 code break in old browseres.
2012-10-10 10:21:50 chrismills: So making a site HTML5 can be as simple as just using the HMTL5 doctype, which ALL browsers support
2012-10-10 10:21:52 beverloo: it's going to be rather confusing when new css1 specs start coming out :)
2012-10-10 10:22:06 Castor_T: I guess any web programmes wants his/her site to be able to work in all browsers
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2012-10-10 10:22:24 chrismills: or you can go further and use the new semantic elements (which can be made to behave in older browsers, using the HTML5 shiv)
2012-10-10 10:22:38 chrismills: and then there's all the APIs
2012-10-10 10:22:55 chrismills: Which won't work in older browsers
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2012-10-10 10:25:29 swain|dev: Grephix`dev: What's you're working on?
2012-10-10 10:25:36 TicTic: Web Platform Docs is a new community-driven site that aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation. Even though Web Platform Docs is still in alpha, you can already find lots of valuable content on the site, including information on:  How to use features of the open web, with syntax and examples What platforms and devices you can use various technologies on What is the 
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2012-10-10 10:26:24 Grephix`dev: swain|dev: the backand for a new product we are working on
2012-10-10 10:26:27 Grephix`dev: http://sooqr.com :)
2012-10-10 10:26:38 swain|dev: Castor_T: If possible, yes, if not than I gladly cut out IE6, IE7 and maybe even IE8. But that's in rare occasions. Just take a look at your target user group what browser they use.
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2012-10-10 10:28:10 WhoKnows: alright
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2012-10-10 10:28:55 WhoKnows: just use HTML5 (HTML4 included), CSS3(CSS2.1 included) modernizr to detect if HTML5/CSS is supported
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2012-10-10 10:29:00 WhoKnows: and if not, use JS libs
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2012-10-10 10:29:19 Castor_T: I just installed firefox 16 and sometimes, i am not able to close tabs
2012-10-10 10:29:22 Castor_T: it's ridiculous
2012-10-10 10:29:24 swain|dev: Grephix`dev: Woah, nice voice in the video ;)
2012-10-10 10:29:24 WhoKnows: those libs must be widely supported, or just dont use it at all
2012-10-10 10:29:50 Grephix`dev: Thanks, thanks ;)
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2012-10-10 10:29:57 swain|dev: Is that yours?
2012-10-10 10:29:58 Grephix`dev: Not me, I'm afraid
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2012-10-10 10:30:06 Castor_T: reg. html5, i guess i will wait for sometime, before using it on  major sites
2012-10-10 10:30:06 kranius: use http://vanilla-js.com/ ;)
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2012-10-10 10:30:10 Grephix`dev: Hehe nope, the video was outsourced.
2012-10-10 10:30:16 Grephix`dev: kranius: lol, iknowrite!
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2012-10-10 10:30:35 swain|dev: Grephix`dev: Too bad, the 'demo' from The Phone House doesn't seem to be working.
2012-10-10 10:30:44 kranius: no overhead ! lightweight !
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2012-10-10 10:32:16 Grephix`dev: WhoKnows: it's just JS, downloading vanilla-js returns an empty file ;)
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2012-10-10 10:32:51 rooney: สวัสดี
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2012-10-10 10:33:04 WhoKnows: ahh, fine with me, empty files van be fun too.
2012-10-10 10:33:11 WhoKnows: ill look into it :)
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2012-10-10 10:33:44 WhoKnows: brb :)
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2012-10-10 10:34:03 swain|dev: Grephix`dev: Now it works. :/
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2012-10-10 10:34:14 Grephix`dev: Lol, nothing has changed ;)
2012-10-10 10:35:01 Psihadelic: hallo guys
2012-10-10 10:35:02 swain|dev: I blame Safari 6.0
2012-10-10 10:35:10 Grephix`dev: As do I ;-)
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2012-10-10 10:35:19 swain|dev: Been acting up constantly since Mountain Lion.
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2012-10-10 10:38:01 weqr: Hi
2012-10-10 10:38:05 swain|dev: Hello weqr
2012-10-10 10:38:10 weqr: help please
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2012-10-10 10:38:29 weqr: how make game on crafty with WebGL?
2012-10-10 10:39:10 weqr: help please
2012-10-10 10:39:14 Grephix`dev: weqr: try joining #WebGL mate :)
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2012-10-10 10:40:01 weqr: what is mate?
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2012-10-10 10:40:33 Grephix`dev: English isn't your primary language, I presume?
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2012-10-10 10:40:47 Grephix`dev: weqr: type '/join #webgl' without the quotes
2012-10-10 10:40:55 Grephix`dev: They ought to be able to help you there
2012-10-10 10:41:10 swain|dev: What just happened. :o
2012-10-10 10:41:42 chrismills: ?
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2012-10-10 10:41:48 swain|dev: I got slapped :'(
2012-10-10 10:41:51 chrismills: swain|dev: ?
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2012-10-10 10:41:58 chrismills: ah
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2012-10-10 10:42:12 swain|dev: Besides that all is fine chrismills ;)
2012-10-10 10:42:18 chrismills: YouJean can we stop the slapping? Let's be nice to each other ;-)
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2012-10-10 10:43:25 werq: Hi
2012-10-10 10:43:31 Marc: hello
2012-10-10 10:43:36 Grephix`dev: Welcome back, werq ;)
2012-10-10 10:43:37 Grephix`dev: Hi Marc
2012-10-10 10:43:44 werq: admin why if i opoen second channel i cant back?
2012-10-10 10:43:44 Marc: hello
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2012-10-10 10:44:00 Marc: are you all developer?
2012-10-10 10:44:05 werq: i not see panel with list of channels
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2012-10-10 10:44:12 werq: yes
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2012-10-10 10:44:15 chrismills: were - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
2012-10-10 10:44:20 selcuk: hi
2012-10-10 10:44:22 chrismills: werq
2012-10-10 10:44:26 werq: ?
2012-10-10 10:44:27 Marc: hey buddy please add my on skype mlester.gonzales
2012-10-10 10:44:29 Marc: :-)
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2012-10-10 10:44:42 chrismills: werq - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
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2012-10-10 10:44:51 Marc: lets talk web hahahahha
2012-10-10 10:44:56 robertpitt: Hey Everyone!
2012-10-10 10:44:58 Marc: yes
2012-10-10 10:45:04 werq: i on http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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2012-10-10 10:45:21 werq: i nor see panel lists
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2012-10-10 10:45:31 werq: not see
2012-10-10 10:45:57 werq: lol
2012-10-10 10:46:08 werq: admin second bug i found
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2012-10-10 10:46:28 chrismills: were http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ is not very good; it is really just a back up if you haven't got an IRC
2012-10-10 10:46:35 werq: here keys PgUp End... work and scrool not work
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2012-10-10 10:46:41 Marc: oh really cool hahahaha the interface makes me feel like a pro
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2012-10-10 10:46:46 chrismills: werq - have you got an IRC client on your machine?
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2012-10-10 10:46:55 chrismills: IRC program?
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2012-10-10 10:47:22 werq: i want all in browser
2012-10-10 10:48:02 swain|dev: Anyone experience with running Wordpress on a local server?
2012-10-10 10:48:09 Grephix`dev: werq: try http://mibbit.com
2012-10-10 10:48:10 werq: i see pdf and docs and other in browser too
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2012-10-10 10:48:21 Grephix`dev: probably the most advanced online IRC client I know
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2012-10-10 10:48:34 chrismills: thanks Grephix`dev
2012-10-10 10:48:42 werq: and why kitten^^ cant write here?
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2012-10-10 10:49:07 chrismills: werq - try a different client; our current one is not very good
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2012-10-10 10:50:21 swain|dev: Btw, everybody who wants do make some HTML5 animations or whatsoever and don't want to use flash, I can recommend Hype. :)
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2012-10-10 10:50:43 chrismills: Right, I gotta go now guys - I'll be back later ;-)
2012-10-10 10:50:49 chrismills: Have fun
2012-10-10 10:50:51 swain|dev: Cya later chrismills
2012-10-10 10:50:55 Grephix`dev: Cya chrismills
2012-10-10 10:50:57 chrismills: part
2012-10-10 10:51:00 kranius: what about qwebirc ?
2012-10-10 10:51:03 swain|dev: And he's gone.
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2012-10-10 10:53:19 howardtrb: hello, just joined to say that this webplatform is quite a good idea
2012-10-10 10:53:24 howardtrb: a great idea i guess
2012-10-10 10:53:27 howardtrb: im new user
2012-10-10 10:53:42 howardtrb: and it will be very helpfull for me and for everybody
2012-10-10 10:53:43 howardtrb: thanks
2012-10-10 10:53:59 janfredrik: hi howard, im looking into this for the same reasons
2012-10-10 10:54:15 janfredrik: think its a great idea, looking forward to share knowledge
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2012-10-10 10:55:43 swain|dev: Hello Netron_
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2012-10-10 10:55:48 Netron_: Hello ;)
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2012-10-10 10:56:59 Marin: Js
2012-10-10 10:57:07 Marin: Hello, world!
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2012-10-10 10:57:40 swain|dev: I'm good, just working :P
2012-10-10 10:57:50 vsias: hi people!!!
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2012-10-10 10:58:15 chanu: Hi
2012-10-10 10:58:37 lslayer: :)
2012-10-10 10:58:42 vsias: its my first join
2012-10-10 10:58:52 chanu: me too
2012-10-10 10:59:10 Kevin3: Hi chanu and vsias. o/
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2012-10-10 10:59:45 chanu: hi kevin
2012-10-10 10:59:57 chanu: can any one brief about this site
2012-10-10 10:59:59 chanu: ?
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2012-10-10 11:00:26 swain|dev: chanu: how do you mean?
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2012-10-10 11:01:54 Mike_Aski: Hi gents!
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2012-10-10 11:02:22 Mike_Aski: This is a great place...
2012-10-10 11:02:36 brik: it is isn't it
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2012-10-10 11:03:22 Mike_Aski: Congrats to the team, and to the supporters
2012-10-10 11:03:28 Mike_Aski: See ya!
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2012-10-10 11:04:17 chanu: yea i got it i just saw the video in the home page
2012-10-10 11:04:32 chanu: its just another community forum
2012-10-10 11:04:53 swain|dev: Well, the idea is to make this THE community forum, I believe.
2012-10-10 11:05:19 swain|dev: And more than that.
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2012-10-10 11:05:34 swain|dev: Make it a central place with documentation, answers and questions etc.
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2012-10-10 11:06:59 jackiiz: hello
2012-10-10 11:07:05 swain|dev: Hello jackiiz
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2012-10-10 11:07:46 jackiiz: hello swain|dev
2012-10-10 11:08:24 bio: is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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2012-10-10 11:08:50 jackiiz: can you explain about this web
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2012-10-10 11:08:52 jackiiz: MM
2012-10-10 11:09:06 swain|dev: What would you like to know jackiiz
2012-10-10 11:09:24 bio: is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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2012-10-10 11:11:52 jackiiz: now i study java i interesting java script ,css  and html5
2012-10-10 11:12:11 Guest48319: What about IE? ;-)
2012-10-10 11:12:27 swain|dev: Guest48319: What about it? :0
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2012-10-10 11:13:05 jackiiz: umm .... about web
2012-10-10 11:13:39 swain|dev: jackiiz: The web is a pretty big space… Do you mean WebPlatform.org or the web in general?
2012-10-10 11:14:20 setico: yes is so
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2012-10-10 11:15:25 jackiiz: ok i would like to know about webplatform.org
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2012-10-10 11:15:57 jackiiz: what about web??
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2012-10-10 11:16:16 swain|dev: Okay, so it's a place where everything you'd like to know about web development could be found.
2012-10-10 11:16:27 swain|dev: At least, that's the goal it has in mind.
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2012-10-10 11:17:30 jackiiz: thank you for answer
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2012-10-10 11:18:28 jackiiz: i will try train about web develop
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2012-10-10 11:18:36 swain|dev: Good luck jackiiz
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2012-10-10 11:19:18 jackiiz: :)
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2012-10-10 11:19:47 Behdad: hii
2012-10-10 11:20:05 Behdad: anybody there
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2012-10-10 11:21:16 Test_Service: how are you?
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2012-10-10 11:21:25 Test_Service: hope you are fine
2012-10-10 11:21:36 hello_: yes i m fine
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2012-10-10 11:22:27 gigwattz: >.> whats up guys
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2012-10-10 11:23:07 swain|dev: Not much, busy with working.
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2012-10-10 11:36:50 Guest85396: http://craftyengine.com/tutorial/bananabomber/create-a-game
2012-10-10 11:36:59 Guest85396 is now known as kitten^^
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2012-10-10 11:38:22 kitten99: Admin
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2012-10-10 11:38:32 kitten99: Admin unban kitten^^ please
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2012-10-10 11:38:48 kitten99: PLEASE
2012-10-10 11:39:03 kitten99: u see me?
2012-10-10 11:39:19 sonotos: moin
2012-10-10 11:39:30 kitten99: admin help plz
2012-10-10 11:39:36 kitten99: unban kitten^^
2012-10-10 11:39:39 kitten99: plz
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2012-10-10 11:39:59 kitten99: he muted here :(
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2012-10-10 11:40:17 kitten99: кто тут есть?
2012-10-10 11:40:26 Scapesoft: a
2012-10-10 11:40:37 kitten99: из нашых?
2012-10-10 11:41:27 gigwattz: Hmm, Should we add the "Future of JavaScript" to the /wiki/Javascript page, just after the History section. it's currently a hot-topic
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2012-10-10 11:42:11 kitten99: Any admin here?
2012-10-10 11:42:13 kitten99: hgelp plz
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2012-10-10 11:42:15 Adem: hi
2012-10-10 11:42:20 kitten99: help
2012-10-10 11:42:23 Grephix`dev: kitten99: what do you need help with?
2012-10-10 11:42:33 sonotos: gigwattz: sounds interesting
2012-10-10 11:42:37 Grephix`dev: gigwattz: would be a nice feature, feel free to add it
2012-10-10 11:42:41 gigwattz: kk
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2012-10-10 11:42:57 Grephix`dev: Can't imagine why you shouldnt ;)
2012-10-10 11:43:02 kitten99: i need admin help
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2012-10-10 11:43:19 Grephix`dev: kitten99: I'm guessing no admin is around atm. What is it you need help with?
2012-10-10 11:43:50 kitten99: heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-10 11:43:52 sonotos: his nick unbaned
2012-10-10 11:43:59 kitten99: who?
2012-10-10 11:44:23 kitten99 is now known as kitten^^
2012-10-10 11:44:28 Grephix`dev: kitten99: what makes you say kitten^^ is banned?
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2012-10-10 11:45:46 kitten99: 15:42] <kitten99> i need admin help [15:42] == booya_ [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-boaukwvuzsulrggj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] [15:43] <kitten99> heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!! [15:43] <sonotos> his nick unbaned [15:43] <kitten99> who? [15:44] == kitten99 has changed nick to kitten^^ [15:44] <kitten^^> ok? [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what 
2012-10-10 11:45:53 kitten99: [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform
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2012-10-10 11:46:34 broken: hola!
2012-10-10 11:46:40 kitten99: hey?!?!?
2012-10-10 11:46:50 kitten99: cry;(
2012-10-10 11:46:50 mstalfoort: paul_irish, ping
2012-10-10 11:46:54 kitten99: :(
2012-10-10 11:46:56 okay joined
2012-10-10 11:46:56 Krishna_: hello world
2012-10-10 11:46:59 swain|dev: !ping
2012-10-10 11:47:04 Grephix`dev: kitten99
2012-10-10 11:47:10 Grephix`dev: is your nickname registered?
2012-10-10 11:47:16 kitten99: no
2012-10-10 11:47:17 Grephix`dev is now known as kitten^^
2012-10-10 11:47:38 kitten99: i yesterday used kitten^^
2012-10-10 11:47:42 kitten^^: part
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2012-10-10 11:47:46 kitten99: why banned :(((
2012-10-10 11:47:52 kitten99: u where?
2012-10-10 11:47:54 Grephix`dev joined
2012-10-10 11:47:57 Grephix`dev: hmmm right
2012-10-10 11:48:00 jverkaik: Read error: Connection timed out
2012-10-10 11:48:10 Grephix`dev: paul_irish: around?
2012-10-10 11:48:11 broken: Client Quit
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2012-10-10 11:48:19 kitten99: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-10 11:48:19 okay: Client Quit
2012-10-10 11:48:22 Grephix`dev: kitten99: were you told why you got banned?
2012-10-10 11:48:24 Guest35610: hm?
2012-10-10 11:48:30 Lifesnoozer: kitten99: Shouting about it won't help
2012-10-10 11:48:36 sonotos: kitten99: do you thnk it gets better by spamming the channel? shut up, i understand why you got banned
2012-10-10 11:48:43 Grephix`dev: also: that is just the behaviour that'll get yourselve banned
2012-10-10 11:48:54 Guest35610 is now known as webNick
2012-10-10 11:48:55 Grephix`dev: s/ve/f
2012-10-10 11:49:15 kitten99: stfu sontos
2012-10-10 11:49:22 webNick is now known as webnick
2012-10-10 11:49:22 kitten99: to other
2012-10-10 11:49:24 kitten99: idk why
2012-10-10 11:49:27 kitten99: me not banned
2012-10-10 11:49:27 swidmann: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
2012-10-10 11:49:34 kitten99: yesterday all was good
2012-10-10 11:49:43 Adem: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
2012-10-10 11:49:45 kitten99: and today this nick banned :(
2012-10-10 11:50:17 jacob_ joined
2012-10-10 11:50:19 andrewjbaker: Did you register the nick?
2012-10-10 11:50:20 kitten99: Any admin or member here?
2012-10-10 11:50:25 kitten99: Who know admin??
2012-10-10 11:50:26 Grephix`dev: andrewjbaker: its not registered
2012-10-10 11:50:27 Krishna_: Hello webplatform team, just saw your youtube presentation. any member on the house to chat more about it?
2012-10-10 11:50:28 Grephix`dev: already checked
2012-10-10 11:50:41 jacob_ is now known as Guest38376
2012-10-10 11:50:44 Grephix`dev: Shouting about it or telling others to stfu will probably not get you anywhere kitten99
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2012-10-10 11:50:47 mstalfoort: kitten99, we all understand your frustration atm, but there's no admin around to help you out on short notice
2012-10-10 11:50:54 andrewjbaker: Grephix`dev, OK. ;-)
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2012-10-10 11:50:59 asddas: d
2012-10-10 11:51:01 asddas: lol
2012-10-10 11:51:02 asddas: asd
2012-10-10 11:51:02 asddas: d
2012-10-10 11:51:02 asddas: as
2012-10-10 11:51:02 asddas: das
2012-10-10 11:51:02 asddas: as
2012-10-10 11:51:09 asddas: Полученные гистограммы распределения по энергиям позволяют рассчитать внутреннюю энергию (2.34), теплоёмкость (2.35) и энтропию (2.36), а также средние квадраты радиусов инерции (2.38). Получившиеся функции для полимеров длиной 6, 12 и 24 Ñ
2012-10-10 11:51:25 asddas:     Одинокая птица над полем кружит,    Догоревшее солнце уходит с небес.    Если шкура сера и клыки что ножи,    Не чести меня волком, стремящимся в лес.     Лопоухий щенок любит вкус молока,    А не крови, бегущей из порванных жил.    Если
2012-10-10 11:51:28 kitten99: cry :(
2012-10-10 11:51:31 Grephix`dev: /mode #webplatform +b asddas
2012-10-10 11:51:34 asddas:     ------------------------------------------------------------------------   OCR по изданию: Ðœ.Семенова, "Волкодав", Азбука-Терра, СПб, 1995г.   Spellcheck: Петр Кириевский   ------------------------------------------------------------------------     Одинокая птица над полем кружит,    Догоревшее солнце уходÐ
2012-10-10 11:51:40 Grephix`dev: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:51:54 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
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2012-10-10 11:52:00 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:00 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:01 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:01 asddas: v
2012-10-10 11:52:01 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:01 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:01 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:02 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:02 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:03 asddas: This channel needs an active operator, lol
2012-10-10 11:52:05 kitten99: aaa
2012-10-10 11:52:06 Kaow_THL: Client Quit
2012-10-10 11:52:07 kitten99: spammer
2012-10-10 11:52:10 swain|dev: *sigh*
2012-10-10 11:52:13 Grephix`dev: with ^
2012-10-10 11:52:14 hprione: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
2012-10-10 11:52:20 kitten99: иди отсюда плохой
2012-10-10 11:52:34 kitten99: ты позоришь нашу нацыю
2012-10-10 11:52:39 asddas: блин(
2012-10-10 11:52:42 asddas: я не хотел
2012-10-10 11:52:45 Grephix`dev highlights divya Garbee paul_irish ppk_ shepazu tobie
2012-10-10 11:53:00 swain|dev helps Grephix`dev
2012-10-10 11:53:04 kitten99: иди на канал виндовс
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2012-10-10 11:53:06 asddas: и при чем тут спаамер?
2012-10-10 11:53:07 kitten99: они заслужили это
2012-10-10 11:53:14 asddas: флудер, а не спамер
2012-10-10 11:53:14 kitten99: ну ты спаммишь
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2012-10-10 11:53:21 asddas: спамер это который рекламу пихает
2012-10-10 11:53:25 kitten99: ты с хабра?
2012-10-10 11:53:25 webnick:  /nickserv set enforce on
2012-10-10 11:53:28 Donald is now known as Guest55376
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2012-10-10 11:53:36 asddas: типа - BUY THIS !!!!
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2012-10-10 11:53:44 asddas: ну да, откуда ж еще
2012-10-10 11:53:54 kitten99: значит ты вчерашний
2012-10-10 11:54:00 asddas: почему?
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2012-10-10 11:54:40 dariush: Hello
2012-10-10 11:54:46 andrewjbaker: This needs to happen, but I imagine it requires an op to do it. Oh, the irony.  'Help us support your channel in emergencies by adding channel staff to your channel access list via "/msg chanserv flags #channelname [nick] [access]".'
2012-10-10 11:54:46 swain|dev: Hello dariush
2012-10-10 11:55:00 andrewjbaker: From: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
2012-10-10 11:55:12 Grephix`dev: andrewjbaker: yup
2012-10-10 11:55:22 Grephix`dev: only operators are able to kick, ban, mute, whatnot
2012-10-10 11:55:34 kitten99: !admin
2012-10-10 11:55:38 kitten99: !admins
2012-10-10 11:55:42 dariush: Help me, please.
2012-10-10 11:55:43 kitten99: !wtf?
2012-10-10 11:56:00 Grephix`dev: dariush: with what?
2012-10-10 11:56:02 swain|dev: dariush: What's your problem? What can we help with?
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2012-10-10 11:56:14 kitten99: i can help
2012-10-10 11:56:21 kitten99: change color and unban nick
2012-10-10 11:56:24 kitten99: please!
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2012-10-10 11:56:43 kitten99: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-10 11:56:50 kitten99: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-10 11:56:56 dariush: I want to join to android devs but I cant because of my contry
2012-10-10 11:56:57 kitten99: HEY I HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-10-10 11:57:22 GokhanGurdogan: Quit: Page closed
2012-10-10 11:57:25 sonotos:  /ignore kitten99
2012-10-10 11:57:31 swain|dev: dariush: Android debs. What do you mean?
2012-10-10 11:57:42 swain|dev: devs*
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2012-10-10 11:57:53 swain|dev: Like a IRC channel or...?
2012-10-10 11:57:56 Guest___: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-10 11:58:06 dariush: No android devloers in google play.In iran we cant
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2012-10-10 11:58:49 gzuce: Hi, i'm super bored
2012-10-10 11:58:55 divya: did the spammer get kicked?
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2012-10-10 11:59:01 asddas: no
2012-10-10 11:59:04 asddas: I'm here
2012-10-10 11:59:06 swain|dev: dariush: I'm afraid I can't help you with that, have you tried to contact Google?
2012-10-10 11:59:08 divya: oh hai spammer
2012-10-10 11:59:11 gzuce: Client Quit
2012-10-10 11:59:13 asddas: flooder! no spamer
2012-10-10 11:59:14 Krishna_: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
2012-10-10 11:59:18 asddas: тупой бля
2012-10-10 11:59:27 Lifesnoozer: swain|dev: Won't help him, the US and Iran doesn't work together
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2012-10-10 11:59:39 divya: well we will quiet you if you are wasting everybody's time
2012-10-10 11:59:44 asddas: иносранцы бараны тупые
2012-10-10 11:59:45 dariush: Excusme why you afraid? :(
2012-10-10 12:00:07 andrewjbaker: Term of phrase.
2012-10-10 12:00:07 swain|dev: dariush: Haha, don't worry, I'm not afraid, it's just a saying
2012-10-10 12:00:38 swain|dev: Lifesnoozer: Sadly, governments still don't seem to realize that the internet shouldn't have borders.
2012-10-10 12:00:48 test joined
2012-10-10 12:00:51 Lifesnoozer: Well the problem isn't really internet
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2012-10-10 12:01:03 Robika: hello
2012-10-10 12:01:10 swain|dev: No, the problem is the governments.
2012-10-10 12:01:12 Lifesnoozer: It's more that the US has blocks on Iran and more or less ban businesses from working with people in Iran
2012-10-10 12:01:12 swain|dev: Hello Robika
2012-10-10 12:01:33 dariush: whats your Idea about Iran?
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2012-10-10 12:01:53 s_ert: ?
2012-10-10 12:02:00 swain|dev: dariush: How do you mean?
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2012-10-10 12:02:25 Robika: I am Hungarian
2012-10-10 12:02:29 s_ert: testing the finctionality :)
2012-10-10 12:02:35 s_ert: functionality
2012-10-10 12:02:41 Robika: php?
2012-10-10 12:02:41 test1: test complete
2012-10-10 12:02:57 dariush: @swain|dev I think every body afraid from iranian :(
2012-10-10 12:03:02 Richard_Ainz__: Dariush, from you choice of name i would guess that you consider yourself more of a Persian than an Iranian?
2012-10-10 12:03:04 sonotos: divya: :-)
2012-10-10 12:03:14 mstalfoort: thx divya
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2012-10-10 12:03:35 s_ert: working great.. logging off
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2012-10-10 12:03:41 swain|dev: dariush: I'm sorry to gave you that thought, in fact I'm not afraid of you or any other Iranian, at least not without having a reason to be afraid.
2012-10-10 12:03:56 test1: \quit
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2012-10-10 12:04:02 divya: please keep discussions on topic please
2012-10-10 12:04:02 test1: Client Quit
2012-10-10 12:04:04 swain|dev: It was just a term of phrase, used in the English language.
2012-10-10 12:04:04 s_ert: Client Quit
2012-10-10 12:04:08 divya: there are other channels to discuss politics
2012-10-10 12:04:13 divya: swain|dev: dariush ^
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2012-10-10 12:04:48 swain|dev: divya: It's not about politics, at least, it shouldn't be. ;) I'm a bad person to talk about politics anyways.
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2012-10-10 12:05:03 divya: yes so no this is about webplatformdocs.
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2012-10-10 12:05:15 divya: if your conversation is not about that, take it to PM
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2012-10-10 12:05:27 divya: or other channels relevant to that topic.
2012-10-10 12:05:32 Wizek|2: Read error: Connection reset by peer
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2012-10-10 12:05:50 divya: it does not help because others may have questions w.r.t WPD and then the current conversation might prevent them from asking it.
2012-10-10 12:05:56 dariush: Im not fluent in english :(
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2012-10-10 12:06:10 sonotos: how about using #webplatform-offtopic ?
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2012-10-10 12:06:48 divya: sounds good to me.
2012-10-10 12:06:49 sonotos: in some other popular chans is an offtopic channel for exactly that reason
2012-10-10 12:06:54 Ishun: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
2012-10-10 12:07:00 dariush: Help me :(
2012-10-10 12:07:04 Richard_Ainz__: as divya said there are nuff channels for political topics, but it may of course be easy to stumble in to poilitics when talking internet in general
2012-10-10 12:07:06 sonotos: divya: ill give you admin rights in ot
2012-10-10 12:07:27 divya: sonotos: naw i am cool having it unmoderated, just change topic to UNOFFICIAL or osmething
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2012-10-10 12:07:49 sonotos: divya: ok
2012-10-10 12:07:57 test: Client Quit
2012-10-10 12:07:57 Niiw: hello
2012-10-10 12:08:02 Niiw: algum brasileiro?
2012-10-10 12:08:08 Reyres: o/
2012-10-10 12:08:12 dariush: hello niiw
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2012-10-10 12:08:19 Reyres: Aqui
2012-10-10 12:08:23 andrewjbaker: Also, I'd hazard a guess that a considerable number of the devs finding this channel aren't familiar w/ the whole IRC shizzle. It might even be there first exposure to IRC, for a number of them.
2012-10-10 12:08:23 Richard_Ainz__: Spanish here
2012-10-10 12:08:31 andrewjbaker: *their
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2012-10-10 12:08:43 Niiw: esse conteudo de html já é op 5??
2012-10-10 12:08:56 egecan: maybe we need ircplatform.org too?
2012-10-10 12:08:59 divya: Niiw: can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded/
2012-10-10 12:08:59 Reyres: Client Quit
2012-10-10 12:09:02 egecan: =)
2012-10-10 12:09:15 Niiw: ok
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2012-10-10 12:09:21 divya: i hope the web based IRC channel has been abandoned
2012-10-10 12:09:25 iranian_boy: hi freinds
2012-10-10 12:09:29 dariush: سلام پسر ایرانی
2012-10-10 12:09:40 iranian_boy: سلام بر داریوش
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2012-10-10 12:09:57 dariush: نبودی چت روم شده بود سیاست ایران
2012-10-10 12:10:00 divya: dariush: iranian_boy wow i need to repeat my message twice so quickly
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2012-10-10 12:10:10 divya: dariush: iranian_boy can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded?
2012-10-10 12:10:24 iranian_boy: yes my dude ;)
2012-10-10 12:10:33 iranian_boy: چرا؟
2012-10-10 12:10:42 iranian_boy: حرف از چی میزدن؟
2012-10-10 12:10:46 egecan: google translate says: "Nbodi had been the Iranian policy chat room"
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2012-10-10 12:10:51 Niiw: This material is for html 5?
2012-10-10 12:10:57 swain|dev: Poor divya :P
2012-10-10 12:11:00 Grephix`dev: :D
2012-10-10 12:11:02 Richard_Ainz__: andrewjbaker: thing is many irc channels are created with a narrow topic in mind, but get all swamped by off topic discussions... that is why I laft IRC some years ago, and why I also am a but reluctant to this approach for webplatform, but, it may of course be useful once some moderation is in place.
2012-10-10 12:11:03 dariush: راجع به محمود بحث انداختم دیگه کسی راجع به وب حرف نمیزد :)
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2012-10-10 12:12:03 divya: i am fine having occasional offtopic conversations
2012-10-10 12:12:04 egecan: irc is the only place you see you see all these html5 rockstars on the right pane =))
2012-10-10 12:12:07 divya: just not in the beginning
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2012-10-10 12:12:24 swain|dev: Understandable divya
2012-10-10 12:13:00 andrewjbaker: Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting.
2012-10-10 12:13:04 Munter: I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here
2012-10-10 12:13:17 mstalfoort: divya, my guess it will stay this way
2012-10-10 12:13:23 dariush: Quit: Page closed
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2012-10-10 12:13:46 divya: mstalfoort: naww channels get some sort of good practice and stay that way.
2012-10-10 12:13:50 divya: like #html5
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2012-10-10 12:14:26 andrewjbaker: Where people come, and people go, and most rarely speak? :-p
2012-10-10 12:14:30 Munter: If you want this to be about improving webplatform.org then a small note somewhere saying '#webplatform on freenode' will be enough to get stewards and other enthusiasts in here
2012-10-10 12:14:34 mstalfoort: divya, that would be nice indeed
2012-10-10 12:14:34 kallepersson_: divya: I'd have to chime in on the suggestion to remove the "Chat" page on webplatform.org. Just my 50 cents :)
2012-10-10 12:14:41 mstalfoort: time will tell
2012-10-10 12:14:46 kallepersson_: Munter: yes, totally.
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2012-10-10 12:15:23 divya: Munter: yeah  we are all here anyway. i think that chat page has to go too.
2012-10-10 12:15:25 asd_: fg
2012-10-10 12:15:25 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:26 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:26 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:26 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:27 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:27 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:28 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:30 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:32 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:32 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:33 Richard_Ainz__: one could start with moderating the current "forums" since they are getting spammed as we speak
2012-10-10 12:15:33 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
2012-10-10 12:15:34 asd_: birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
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2012-10-10 12:15:35 vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-10 12:15:36 asd_: WTF
2012-10-10 12:15:39 asd_:  topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
2012-10-10 12:15:41 asd_:  topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
2012-10-10 12:15:44 asd_: gu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] * vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot [16:15] <asd_> WTF [16:
2012-10-10 12:15:46 asd_ is now known as Guest19217
2012-10-10 12:15:48 Guest19217: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-10 12:15:48 Guest19217: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-10 12:15:54 kallepersson_: :(
2012-10-10 12:15:56 kranius: such spam
2012-10-10 12:16:07 divya: man 24/7 i need to be on duty huh
2012-10-10 12:16:10 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:10 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:11 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:11 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:12 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:12 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:12 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:13 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:13 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
2012-10-10 12:16:14 Guest19217: http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
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2012-10-10 12:16:29 swain|dev: My ignore list is getting filled up pretty much already… :/
2012-10-10 12:16:35 Richard_Ainz__: no I wont buy a car from that place, so sorry
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2012-10-10 12:16:39 kallepersson_: divya: Might I suggest allowing access to identified freenode users only?
2012-10-10 12:16:42 divya: you dont have to ignore htem as i already muted them
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2012-10-10 12:17:00 kallepersson_: afaik #python has it and I believe it's working great.
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2012-10-10 12:17:10 sonotos: kallepersson_: ack
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2012-10-10 12:17:22 sonotos: but that would block the webchat
2012-10-10 12:17:27 Richard_Ainz__: ok, guys, you need to get a grip of this chat somehow...
2012-10-10 12:17:29 si-m1: probably helps alot just removing the web client
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2012-10-10 12:17:33 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:34 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:34 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:34 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:35 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:35 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:35 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:35 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:35 kallepersson_: Yes I guess that too.
2012-10-10 12:17:36 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:36 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:37 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:37 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:37 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:37 sdaadssadadsdas:  Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
2012-10-10 12:17:41 Yaser: hi for all
2012-10-10 12:17:50 divya: geesus
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2012-10-10 12:17:56 si-m1: or requiring being logged in to use it
2012-10-10 12:18:03 Richard_Ainz__: you will NOT be able to handle all that manually
2012-10-10 12:18:03 divya: how do i use hostname ban for someone using webchat?
2012-10-10 12:18:05 sonotos: well as long as we have the webchat you have not a real chance
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2012-10-10 12:18:18 Richard_Ainz__: remove the webchat
2012-10-10 12:18:19 Richard_Ainz__: now
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2012-10-10 12:18:27 mstalfoort: looks like someone is testing you divya.... not cool
2012-10-10 12:18:28 divya: i dont have admin access to the site
2012-10-10 12:18:30 egecan: you have to ban spammer manually? isn't there an automated bot?
2012-10-10 12:18:41 Richard_Ainz__: grrrmblbm...n00bs
2012-10-10 12:18:43 divya: i will tell the people there.
2012-10-10 12:18:47 Richard_Ainz__: 7quit
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2012-10-10 12:21:26 puppion: this is crazy
2012-10-10 12:21:30 Pouya: Hi all
2012-10-10 12:21:33 puppion: hi
2012-10-10 12:21:33 divya: wow someone is really hurt
2012-10-10 12:21:39 puppion: how are you Pouya?
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2012-10-10 12:21:43 orangeshark: hello Pouya
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2012-10-10 12:21:56 Pouya: not bad
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2012-10-10 12:22:13 puppion: so what are you guys developing with?
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2012-10-10 12:22:23 Pouya: how are u ?
2012-10-10 12:22:28 swain|dev: Anything that I need, puppion
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2012-10-10 12:23:15 puppion: you know something, the truth is i still havn't found my ultimate ide for client side developement
2012-10-10 12:23:27 Grephix`dev: puppion: u haven't?
2012-10-10 12:23:31 Grephix`dev: PHPStorm ftw \o/
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2012-10-10 12:24:23 puppion: i keep changing.... right now the most comfortable for me is NetBeans php. crazy, ah?
2012-10-10 12:24:29 sonotos: ZendStudio / Netbeans
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2012-10-10 12:24:49 Grephix`dev: I came from netbeans as well
2012-10-10 12:24:53 Grephix`dev: I like PHPStorm better though
2012-10-10 12:24:58 sonotos: it's cool for js
2012-10-10 12:24:58 puppion: zend is the most comfortable of all the eclipses, that's true
2012-10-10 12:25:00 Grephix`dev: the whole jetbrains software office tbh
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2012-10-10 12:25:19 sonotos: well PHPStorm has some good features, i just miss the multi project support
2012-10-10 12:25:19 Lifesnoozer: I really don't like eclipse
2012-10-10 12:25:34 Gorkyman loves Komodo
2012-10-10 12:25:43 sonotos: our projects normally are devided in serveral sub projects, so i had to open x instances in PHPStorm
2012-10-10 12:26:01 puppion: but i can't help but feeling i really need one perfect ide for js (jquery) and css
2012-10-10 12:26:02 sonotos: Eclipse hast this working set feature, that's really cool
2012-10-10 12:26:09 Grephix`dev: Agread sonotos, that's the only thing I miss
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2012-10-10 12:26:33 puppion: i'll have to check phpstorm...
2012-10-10 12:26:35 sonotos: Grephix`dev: write, that was at least the only reason for me to stay with zend
2012-10-10 12:26:56 sonotos: even zend is so slow that it crashes very often even by just indexing the code
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2012-10-10 12:27:12 Grephix`dev: It is, that's why I stopped using it
2012-10-10 12:27:20 Grephix`dev: PHPStorm is quite smooth when it comes to that.
2012-10-10 12:27:35 Grephix`dev: Also: I dont mind opening x instances. I never reach > 3 instances though.
2012-10-10 12:27:39 sonotos: right, and it's not blocking all the actions
2012-10-10 12:27:50 sonotos: Grephix`dev: we have 200 projects
2012-10-10 12:28:13 sonotos: modules, libraries, gateway projects, themes etc
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2012-10-10 12:28:19 Grephix`dev: I never work on more than 3 at a time, lol
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2012-10-10 12:28:30 Grephix`dev: True, I guess it depends on how you setup your projects :)
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2012-10-10 12:28:34 sonotos: Grephix`dev: they are all part of one bigger project
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2012-10-10 12:28:47 Grephix`dev: That's what I was getting at ;)
2012-10-10 12:28:48 sonotos: it's just splitted up
2012-10-10 12:29:26 sonotos: well you don't want to have projects with serveral million loc, in one project. especially not in eclipse hrhr
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2012-10-10 12:29:32 puppion: ok, downloading phpstorm
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2012-10-10 12:29:59 Grephix`dev: hehehe
2012-10-10 12:30:00 Grephix`dev: agreed
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2012-10-10 12:31:07 sonotos: Grephix`dev: i've heard there's an enterprise version of PhpStrom that should have this multi project feature
2012-10-10 12:31:14 menc: hi
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2012-10-10 12:31:22 Grephix`dev: Is it really?
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2012-10-10 12:31:26 Grephix`dev: Never heard about that tbh
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2012-10-10 12:32:05 sonotos: not shure if this is just the java idea or also the phpmodule
2012-10-10 12:32:07 Grephix`dev: Google doesn't get me any wiser on the subject either
2012-10-10 12:32:27 sonotos: a friend told me after complaining about that
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2012-10-10 12:32:35 sonotos: i did not fint it either
2012-10-10 12:32:39 sonotos: find
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2012-10-10 12:35:40 Ajay_: Is html5 is working in all major Browsers?
2012-10-10 12:35:45 vldcnst: yes
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2012-10-10 12:36:01 aSFASfAsf: eae galere!
2012-10-10 12:36:18 Grephix`dev: Ajay_: define 'html5' ;-)
2012-10-10 12:36:23 aSFASfAsf: os garção gostam de dalo K
2012-10-10 12:36:27 aSFASfAsf: servir dalo K
2012-10-10 12:36:29 Grephix`dev: Not all specifications are fully addapted by all major browsers
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2012-10-10 12:37:00 Ajay_: I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
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2012-10-10 12:37:09 divya: aSFASfAsf: please stick to english
2012-10-10 12:37:43 Ajay_: I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
2012-10-10 12:37:46 Ajay_: ?
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2012-10-10 12:38:09 aSFASfAsf: oi
2012-10-10 12:38:10 az09|and: Ajay_, raphaeljs
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2012-10-10 12:39:17 servirDaloK: divya: do u like daloK?
2012-10-10 12:39:21 Ajay_: yes, raphaeljs is a solution because they used vml also
2012-10-10 12:39:38 divya: servirDaloK: please stick to ontopic conversations, there is an offtopic chatroom for otherwise.
2012-10-10 12:39:45 servirDaloK: servir daloK
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2012-10-10 12:39:55 servirDaloK: sorry for trollar
2012-10-10 12:39:56 servirDaloK: to indo
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2012-10-10 12:40:03 Ajay_: is there any solution without raphaeljs
2012-10-10 12:40:14 Lifesnoozer: Yeah, write your own
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2012-10-10 12:40:28 Ajay_: in vml?
2012-10-10 12:40:32 akhil_: hi guys
2012-10-10 12:40:32 Lifesnoozer: Yep
2012-10-10 12:40:33 mstalfoort: Ajay_, yep
2012-10-10 12:40:38 Ajay_: ok
2012-10-10 12:40:46 Ajay_: one more question?
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2012-10-10 12:40:57 Lifesnoozer: But really no reason to do that when you could use raphaël instead
2012-10-10 12:40:59 mstalfoort: Ajay_, it should be easier with a system like raphaeljs
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2012-10-10 12:41:46 Ajay_: I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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2012-10-10 12:43:12 Ajay_: I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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2012-10-10 12:43:48 andrewjbaker: Looks like WP made this week's HTML5 Weekly newsletter.
2012-10-10 12:44:09 andrewjbaker: http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html
2012-10-10 12:44:11 mstalfoort: Ajay_, my guess is you'll have to google for that,... this is not really the channel for such specific queries
2012-10-10 12:44:33 Ajay_: ok
2012-10-10 12:44:33 Ajay_: thanks
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2012-10-10 12:47:54 Ajay_: but could you(mstalfoort) please let me know, What type of queries we can ask in this channel.
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2012-10-10 12:50:14 Dubaut: Всем привет 🇷🇺
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2012-10-10 12:50:31 webnick: dubaut, stick to english pls
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2012-10-10 12:51:36 mstalfoort: anything related to webplatform.org and/or the technologies described on the site, your query is very game specific
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2012-10-10 12:52:19 mstalfoort: unless 1 of the admins have another point of view (which isnt described in the topic)
2012-10-10 12:52:34 sonotos: hm, who has reset the mainpage?
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2012-10-10 12:59:04 Anna__: where should I post suggestions for the webplatform css... I can't distinguish the blue link colour from the grey, the contrast is not nearly enough
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2012-10-10 12:59:37 Anna__: anyone?
2012-10-10 12:59:45 sonotos: Anna__: please create a bug report
2012-10-10 12:59:52 sonotos: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-10 12:59:59 Anna__: perfect, thanks!
2012-10-10 13:00:04 sonotos: yw
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2012-10-10 13:08:13 divya: karlcow: if you have the time to stop the bots from flooding the channel pls do!
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2012-10-10 13:09:39 karlcow: divya: it is interesting at least socially to see what is happening.
2012-10-10 13:09:47 sonotos: karlcow: ack
2012-10-10 13:10:33 sonotos: provide an easy access for the mass and you have the mess...
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2012-10-10 13:11:48 swain|dev: I agree with sonotos.
2012-10-10 13:12:01 karlcow: brb
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2012-10-10 13:12:22 swain|dev: Nice quit message. XD
2012-10-10 13:12:47 sonotos: hm should check if not somebody else said that before, i like it :-)
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2012-10-10 13:13:00 divya: i have mentioned it to the admins anyways. hopefully there wont be webchat soon.
2012-10-10 13:13:11 sonotos: thx
2012-10-10 13:13:27 sonotos: maybe we can reanable it later again
2012-10-10 13:13:44 sonotos: at the moment there where many articles in diffrent news pages
2012-10-10 13:14:06 sonotos: think that drives the average forum trolls to the irc
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2012-10-10 13:14:55 nghia: Hi all, have a nice day with the new platform.
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2012-10-10 13:21:36 gilvam: I wonder what is the best IDE for mac or windows in javascrip
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2012-10-10 13:22:19 Nick_Zaccardi: Good morning.
2012-10-10 13:22:26 Chopki: Afternoon
2012-10-10 13:22:32 divya: it is hilarious that the very first question that anybody asks in any forum
2012-10-10 13:22:35 divya: is what is the best IDE
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2012-10-10 13:22:44 divya: the best IDE is the one you master.
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2012-10-10 13:22:54 Nick_Zaccardi: divya: Sublime Text... unless you are crazy, then learn VIM
2012-10-10 13:23:01 Nick_Zaccardi: :)
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2012-10-10 13:23:04 Chopki: Submlime is good
2012-10-10 13:23:16 Kevin3: I agree with Nick_Zaccardi.
2012-10-10 13:23:20 Chopki: not an IDE though
2012-10-10 13:23:21 sonotos prefers Eclipse / Netbeans
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2012-10-10 13:23:39 Nick_Zaccardi: Chopki: HOw is it NOT an ide?
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2012-10-10 13:23:52 Chopki: its a text editor
2012-10-10 13:24:03 divya: and o why is sublime not an IDE?
2012-10-10 13:24:07 divya: orly
2012-10-10 13:24:08 Nick_Zaccardi: With git, ftp
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2012-10-10 13:24:15 Nick_Zaccardi: Autocompletion
2012-10-10 13:24:15 Tomato: Hey cuties.
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2012-10-10 13:24:29 gilvam: tanks
2012-10-10 13:24:34 Nick_Zaccardi: There are 100000 things Sublime can do for you!
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2012-10-10 13:24:53 gilvam: thank you*
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2012-10-10 13:25:01 Chopki: It may be a glorified text editor but it does not have the features of something like Eclipse
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2012-10-10 13:25:20 kranius: Chopki: what features ?
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2012-10-10 13:25:41 mstalfoort: what about brackets?
2012-10-10 13:25:51 Nick_Zaccardi: In all seriousness, what has made you come to that conclusion.  I will step off my soap box and listen to your reason.  Then let the plebs decide.
2012-10-10 13:25:57 kranius: real men use vim
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2012-10-10 13:26:31 kranius: and some unix-flavored OS
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2012-10-10 13:26:57 Nick_Zaccardi: right... and we should all use punch cards.
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2012-10-10 13:27:06 Chopki: sublime text has only really its text editing component, it can do a little more behind the scenes but Eclipse can debug and do much more i.e. GUI development and testing - more than text editing
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2012-10-10 13:27:33 divya: kranius: how about real women?â„¢
2012-10-10 13:27:43 divya: never mind this stupid IDE discussion
2012-10-10 13:27:48 kranius: yup
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2012-10-10 13:29:25 pahbloo: hello there.
2012-10-10 13:29:28 plamoni: divya: real women are more mature than to judge others by their text editor… Though I guess you already pointed that out
2012-10-10 13:29:31 freeman: hello everybody
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2012-10-10 13:30:06 kranius: real women would use butterflies
2012-10-10 13:30:21 pahbloo: is anyone here knowing when webplatform will have a multilanguage wiki?
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2012-10-10 13:30:53 Nick_Zaccardi: pahbloo: I saw a post on the forum about it.
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2012-10-10 13:30:58 divya: just shutup kranius
2012-10-10 13:31:00 Nick_Zaccardi: pahbloo: The answer was yes, in time.
2012-10-10 13:31:23 Nick_Zaccardi: pahbloo: Granted that was the forum and not an official answer
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2012-10-10 13:32:11 pahbloo: Nick_Zaccardi: Good. I expect help to translate good docs to Portuguese. There are very few today.
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2012-10-10 13:38:11 mstalfoort: divya, little ot,  will brackets be supported on lets say ubuntu ?
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2012-10-10 13:38:36 divya: mstalfoort: maybe! but i think they dont have bandwidth to work on it? you should ask on #brackets
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2012-10-10 13:38:43 divya: coz lots have wanted that.
2012-10-10 13:38:51 mstalfoort: divya, thx
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2012-10-10 13:40:35 divya: no
2012-10-10 13:40:37 divya: :))
2012-10-10 13:40:43 Doidim: So.. I heard U like computers.. Is it true?
2012-10-10 13:40:43 sz0ka: no its broken
2012-10-10 13:40:45 Lucas: Hello
2012-10-10 13:40:51 sz0ka: what are we talking about?
2012-10-10 13:40:55 sz0ka: hi Lucas :)
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2012-10-10 13:41:32 Sundberg_Music: hello webworkers
2012-10-10 13:41:34 sz0ka: Doidim: Actually we all hate our computers BUT we are masochists and like it when it really hurts
2012-10-10 13:41:37 Lucas: Finally learned how to do drag and drop with html5
2012-10-10 13:41:45 Doidim: Lets talk about Bugs! I love bugsd :)
2012-10-10 13:41:53 plamoni: Lucas: cool
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2012-10-10 13:42:17 Lucas: Doidim you is brasilian?
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2012-10-10 13:42:28 Doidim: Ya! XD
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2012-10-10 13:42:45 Doidim: What was your tip? =p
2012-10-10 13:42:55 Lucas: I too
2012-10-10 13:43:11 lobos0ft: l
2012-10-10 13:43:21 Doidim: I shoul've working right now...
2012-10-10 13:43:25 Lucas: I hate bugs
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2012-10-10 13:43:36 Doidim: I love them!!
2012-10-10 13:43:50 Doidim: Without them i would have no work..
2012-10-10 13:44:05 Doidim: (not sure if correct gramar)
2012-10-10 13:44:10 Lucas: They can sometimes end up with a complete project
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2012-10-10 13:44:36 Doidim: That is true..
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2012-10-10 13:44:53 Doidim: But if it happens means that U've failed
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2012-10-10 13:45:11 Lucas: yes
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2012-10-10 13:45:36 sham4002: hey guys
2012-10-10 13:45:39 Lucas: bugs are natural things can always happen
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2012-10-10 13:45:57 Lucas: Speak bro?
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2012-10-10 13:46:07 Doidim: So.. I have lots of them to fix..
2012-10-10 13:46:10 Doidim: See ya pals o/
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2012-10-10 13:46:58 Doidim: its broken
2012-10-10 13:47:17 Doidim: oh no, my bad
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2012-10-10 13:48:03 Doidim: cool
2012-10-10 13:48:06 Lucas: You know messing with css, javascript, html5?
2012-10-10 13:48:42 Doidim: Now is serious.. Bye!
2012-10-10 13:48:47 Lucas: Bye '-'
2012-10-10 13:49:04 arkhi: Hello World.
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2012-10-10 13:56:07 krava: Hello world!
2012-10-10 13:56:14 Lucas: hello '-'
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2012-10-10 13:59:34 gigwattz: Will work on this a little later, anyone who wants to start can do. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/future
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2012-10-10 14:00:07 webnick: Lucas: see private chat
2012-10-10 14:00:25 Lucas: ?
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2012-10-10 14:01:46 webnick: do u have an example script where it does not work?
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2012-10-10 14:02:05 ChooChooooNDraa: oh, hi!
2012-10-10 14:02:10 Lucas: no ;´(
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2012-10-10 14:03:38 ChooChooooNDraa: Do this cite has list of compatibles around HTML5 ? I mean can i know which feature is enabled in different browser.
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2012-10-10 14:15:32 josemon: hi, I am new here..what is this webplatform meant for ??? please help ...anyone ?
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2012-10-10 14:16:26 ppk_: webplatform is meant to document browser incompatibilities. It's just started up, so there isn't a lot of info on the site yet. But that'll be corrected later on.
2012-10-10 14:16:36 shepazu: morning, folks
2012-10-10 14:16:42 sonotos: moin
2012-10-10 14:16:55 ppk_: 'afternoon.
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2012-10-10 14:17:41 shepazu: ppk_: browser incompatibilities? you mean browser features and interop, and some incompatibilities, right? :D
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2012-10-10 14:18:15 shepazu: :)
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2012-10-10 14:19:50 shepazu: hi, Nick_Zaccardi
2012-10-10 14:20:11 desbenoit: Afternoon shepazu :)
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2012-10-10 14:20:50 test_: hi @shepazu
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2012-10-10 14:22:22 shepazu: I've had some requests to remove the IRC web client, because of abuse… what do you all think? we have some options… maybe we could disable it when there aren't ops here, or increase the security with a captcha, or something
2012-10-10 14:22:53 sonotos: shepazu: wont help against kiddie trolls
2012-10-10 14:22:59 shepazu: we want this channel to be productive
2012-10-10 14:22:59 sonotos: require a user account
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2012-10-10 14:23:27 shepazu: sonotos: wouldn't that raise the bar too high?
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2012-10-10 14:23:41 sonotos: shepazu: not really
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2012-10-10 14:23:52 sonotos: we are talking about people who claim to be developer
2012-10-10 14:24:07 sonotos: right?
2012-10-10 14:24:20 webnick: i think all users who want to be productive register their account
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2012-10-10 14:24:33 sonotos: i mean you nead also an account to edit in the wiki
2012-10-10 14:24:39 Riant: Hello, everyone
2012-10-10 14:24:46 shepazu: but not to read the wiki…
2012-10-10 14:24:46 sonotos: we could use the same account at least
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2012-10-10 14:24:59 shepazu: hi, Riant
2012-10-10 14:25:05 ppk_: How bad is spamming and trolling in practice?
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2012-10-10 14:25:06 Riant: YEs?
2012-10-10 14:25:13 desbenoit: I don't think a captch would slow the trolls down
2012-10-10 14:25:15 Riant: I am new here
2012-10-10 14:25:15 Nick_Zaccardi: The great dilemma of building a community... To much freedom you have to deal with trolls, to strict and nothing gets accomplished.
2012-10-10 14:25:20 ppk_: I took over ops duty from divya a while back, but nothing happened.
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2012-10-10 14:25:40 mstalfoort: it comes and goes
2012-10-10 14:25:43 sonotos: shepazu: yes but they are writing here also, i mean this channel was planned to exchange between experts or people who want to become experts
2012-10-10 14:25:44 _cheney: i'd remove it, at least it would cut down on the join spam
2012-10-10 14:25:52 shepazu: divya was saying that there were a bunch of trolls overnight
2012-10-10 14:25:53 dontcallmedom: I'm happy to act as (c)op, if there is some guidance as to what is allowed or not
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2012-10-10 14:26:21 sonotos: well they could also install an normal irc client
2012-10-10 14:26:21 dontcallmedom: tying access to the chat to having an account would make sense (although I can imagine not being trivial to set up)
2012-10-10 14:26:23 ppk_: What's also necessary is a few ops from North America, a few from Europe, and a few from East Asia/Australia.
2012-10-10 14:26:25 mstalfoort: yeah, she was quite busy with it
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2012-10-10 14:26:36 ppk_: So that there's always at least one, whatever the time.
2012-10-10 14:26:37 desbenoit: It's quieter today, yesterday there was a true hit...
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2012-10-10 14:26:59 _cheney: chat is helpful but i don't think it needs to be embedded to the site
2012-10-10 14:27:01 Tomato: Don't worry, I'm still here to bug you all day long desbenoit.
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2012-10-10 14:27:05 sonotos: well we had allready fu today with some wanabees
2012-10-10 14:27:09 sonotos: fun
2012-10-10 14:27:10 shepazu: I think the channel will slow down over the next few weeks
2012-10-10 14:27:17 desbenoit: :) Tomato
2012-10-10 14:27:23 shepazu: hi, Tomato
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2012-10-10 14:27:47 sonotos: shepazu: yes but until then it will leave a very bad impression to serious users
2012-10-10 14:27:59 sonotos: it was advertised
2012-10-10 14:28:06 shepazu: ok, so, we need to do something
2012-10-10 14:28:09 ppk_: The real work will be done elsewhere, anyway.
2012-10-10 14:28:14 sonotos: people are coming, see just bullshit and leave
2012-10-10 14:28:21 ppk_: This chat is just for answering newbie questions, I guess.
2012-10-10 14:28:31 _WiZZarD: serious users on irc will usually ignore crap when they see it
2012-10-10 14:28:32 sonotos: ppk_: not only
2012-10-10 14:28:37 shepazu: ppk_: yes, and also for socializing and coordinating
2012-10-10 14:28:45 sonotos: serious user have an irc client
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2012-10-10 14:28:48 _WiZZarD: true
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2012-10-10 14:28:52 ppk_: For serious coordinating I'd say we use a back channel.
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2012-10-10 14:28:59 mstalfoort: a lot of the first question were: "which ide is best"
2012-10-10 14:29:00 sonotos: i talk about the people coming over the webchat
2012-10-10 14:29:09 sonotos: i mean most of them are ok
2012-10-10 14:29:11 _WiZZarD: and: the more serious stuff being talked about, the less room for trolls to walk around\
2012-10-10 14:29:22 _WiZZarD: which makes it just easier to ignore them
2012-10-10 14:29:23 Tomato_: shepazu, this guy has been trolling this morning on the forums.
2012-10-10 14:29:27 shepazu: ppk_: I'd prefer to avoid backchannel where possible
2012-10-10 14:29:36 shepazu: Tomato_: which guy?
2012-10-10 14:29:43 Riant: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
2012-10-10 14:29:46 _WiZZarD: forumtrolls deserve a ip based ban imho
2012-10-10 14:29:48 ppk_: shepazu: But eventually you, I, and some others will have to talk about my compat tables.
2012-10-10 14:29:51 sonotos: in theory yes
2012-10-10 14:29:54 Tomato_: Wax eagle, he was contributing a lot last night and seemed completely fine.
2012-10-10 14:30:05 Tomato_: Now he seems angry, and started posting topics asking people to leave the site.
2012-10-10 14:30:06 ppk_: Do you want to do it here in an environment that can become a monkey cage any minute?
2012-10-10 14:30:08 sonotos: _WiZZarD: well most of them used the webchat
2012-10-10 14:30:09 _WiZZarD: then his drugs kicked in?
2012-10-10 14:30:11 sonotos: hard to ban
2012-10-10 14:30:11 Steve__: Hi everyone, first time here.. interesting subject, trolls.  I think it's a term which people throw about a lot now - I think some people get called trolls who just simply are old fashioned 'newbs' and might be asking the wrong question.
2012-10-10 14:30:22 _WiZZarD: ah, buit those arent forum trolls sonotos
2012-10-10 14:30:23 _WiZZarD: ;)
2012-10-10 14:30:27 shepazu: ppk_: yes, we do
2012-10-10 14:30:28 Tomato_: I banned him for self-advertising, but I can't see his IP and he's still posting as an anonymous user.
2012-10-10 14:30:37 ppk_: shepazu: Hm.
2012-10-10 14:30:40 ppk_: Not ideal.
2012-10-10 14:30:44 _WiZZarD hasn't used qweb in a while
2012-10-10 14:30:46 ppk_: Anyway, there's always email.
2012-10-10 14:30:51 jamesbathgate: part
2012-10-10 14:30:54 shepazu: yes
2012-10-10 14:30:57 _WiZZarD: but it should be possible to ban IP's from using it
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2012-10-10 14:31:18 ppk_: Anyway, I don't set policy for webplatform.
2012-10-10 14:31:21 _WiZZarD: if needed I can dive into that
2012-10-10 14:31:27 sonotos: moin Tomato_ btw
2012-10-10 14:31:40 Tomato_: Hi sonotos~!~!
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2012-10-10 14:32:07 sonotos: well let's see i think shepazu is write, it will slow down with the time
2012-10-10 14:32:11 sonotos: right
2012-10-10 14:32:12 Nick_Zaccardi: How many serious users come through the webchat? 1/2 1/10 1/100
2012-10-10 14:32:14 shepazu: _WiZZarD: are you volunteering to set up SSO and IP blocking for qwebirc?
2012-10-10 14:32:21 Nick_Zaccardi: Tough to estimate I am sure.
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2012-10-10 14:32:33 _WiZZarD: if i can figure it out again, i don't mind
2012-10-10 14:32:35 Wilto: Full disclosure: I, too, am a troll.
2012-10-10 14:32:39 _WiZZarD: got it working once
2012-10-10 14:32:43 _WiZZarD: should be doable again
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2012-10-10 14:32:57 _WiZZarD: it's basically just a crapload of python
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2012-10-10 14:33:05 Steve__: Why do trolls troll (serious question) I can't get my head around it
2012-10-10 14:33:08 avsej: Excess Flood
2012-10-10 14:33:16 Kevin3: Nick_Zaccardi, what do you mean by "serious"?
2012-10-10 14:33:19 sonotos: Steve__: to get attention
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2012-10-10 14:33:26 shepazu: Wiltroll: :D
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2012-10-10 14:33:41 Nick_Zaccardi: Kevin3: I mean, people who are interested in being a part of the community
2012-10-10 14:33:48 _WiZZarD: Steve__: why do little kids go from door to door and ring each bell, just to run away?
2012-10-10 14:33:48 ali: hi
2012-10-10 14:34:03 _WiZZarD: trolling is just the digitized form of that imho
2012-10-10 14:34:06 Steve__: So is it proven that all trolls are children?
2012-10-10 14:34:12 Steve__: If so, just have an age limit???
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2012-10-10 14:34:18 _cheney: pretty much, i did the same as a child
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2012-10-10 14:34:28 sonotos: it's the same patter like naughty kids
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2012-10-10 14:34:42 sonotos: no not only kids
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2012-10-10 14:35:34 Powersource: on talk.webplatform.org/chat there is nothing telling us the irc adress to this server. i can figure it out but having it in plain text would be nice
2012-10-10 14:35:53 webnick: there's a link
2012-10-10 14:35:55 Steve__: Webnick, i play the devil's advocate, I don't believe all trolls are children
2012-10-10 14:36:08 vldcnst: Powersource: http://talk.webplatform.org/ ?
2012-10-10 14:36:08 desbenoit: webnick It's not a question of age, i know 50 yo trolls
2012-10-10 14:36:18 Grephix`dev: Powersource: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
2012-10-10 14:36:22 Grephix`dev: any of those servers
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2012-10-10 14:36:45 Steve__: So is 'how do we stop trolls in a community' a fair question ?
2012-10-10 14:36:51 webnick: thats also my opinion ;) and there are also young people who are no trolls
2012-10-10 14:36:58 Powersource: i know, but why not put irc.freenode.net #webplatform on the page
2012-10-10 14:37:03 Nick_Zaccardi: Steve__: That is an age old questions...
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2012-10-10 14:37:27 Nick_Zaccardi: People have been dealing with that since the early days of the internet.
2012-10-10 14:37:28 arkhi: I guess the webchat should be used as support through some chan like #webplatform-support, while the organization would be done somewhere else.
2012-10-10 14:37:28 arkhi: If this is explained on the chat page, then users would just reach the chan they're interested in and there would be less noise for everyone, eventually.
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2012-10-10 14:37:54 arkhi: Steve__: Stop the community.
2012-10-10 14:38:16 Steve__: Personally I wish the internet had no spam and trolls, but then there are the other 50% of the global population who think differently
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2012-10-10 14:38:35 Steve__: arkhi- good idea :D
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2012-10-10 14:38:59 desbenoit: We are all trolls in hiding, it depends of the subject and the point of view.
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2012-10-10 14:39:37 redmunds: part
2012-10-10 14:40:01 desbenoit: The "new" effect will fade eventualy and till it's normal IMHO to face some troll.
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2012-10-10 14:40:43 VladimirKrstic: well hello
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2012-10-10 14:41:08 Steve__: Does anyone agree that GWT is far too complicated to be a useful tool?
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2012-10-10 14:41:32 Kevin3: Nick_Zaccardi, I think most of people want to know the aim of this website, and decide to being a part of the community if they can or if it is interesting. In fews days, only the serious people must stay.
2012-10-10 14:41:50 shepazu: quick opinion polll: should I relabel "forums" to "q&a"?
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2012-10-10 14:42:00 desbenoit: shepazu yes.
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2012-10-10 14:42:04 _WiZZarD: in its current form: yes
2012-10-10 14:42:12 ppk_: Yes.
2012-10-10 14:42:19 mstalfoort: yes
2012-10-10 14:42:19 Tomato: Yes.
2012-10-10 14:42:20 VladimirKrstic: okay, yes
2012-10-10 14:42:21 Tomato: Hahaha.
2012-10-10 14:42:29 webnick: yes
2012-10-10 14:42:36 sonotos: yes
2012-10-10 14:42:53 Steve__: How about wpdOverflow?
2012-10-10 14:42:56 Tomato: By the way, blocking doesn't work at all, so I just unblocked that guy and asked him to stop advertising.
2012-10-10 14:43:16 Tomato: He can still post though despite the block.
2012-10-10 14:43:28 arkhi: Tomato: Seems like the most civil way to do it. :)
2012-10-10 14:43:35 desbenoit: indeed
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2012-10-10 14:43:53 Tomato: Oh well.
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2012-10-10 14:44:05 shepazu: Tomato: blocking where?
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2012-10-10 14:44:34 tonymx227: msg
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2012-10-10 14:44:37 tonymx227: hi
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2012-10-10 14:45:00 Tomato: He was posting these topics on the forum, so I told divya about it and was told to try blocking him. So I tried on the wiki, that didn't work obviously, and I couldn't figure out how to block his forum account.
2012-10-10 14:45:01 arkhi: Tomato: (That meant “well done”)
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2012-10-10 14:45:15 Tomato: Thanks arkhi. :3
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2012-10-10 14:46:12 Tomato: or ban his forum account I should say.
2012-10-10 14:46:12 shepazu: Tomato, you mean Wax Eagle?
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2012-10-10 14:46:12 Steve__: can we disable joined/quit notifications ?
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2012-10-10 14:46:12 Maosud: hey guys
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2012-10-10 14:46:12 Tomato: Yeah.
2012-10-10 14:46:12 arkhi: Steve__: Depends on your client
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2012-10-10 14:46:12 Maosud: i have a question
2012-10-10 14:46:12 Steve__: how would one do that?
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2012-10-10 14:46:15 Tomato: He was posting topics asking people to leave the forum to join Stack Exchange.
2012-10-10 14:46:27 ppk_: Maosud: Ask
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2012-10-10 14:46:38 arkhi: Hello Maosud
2012-10-10 14:46:41 Maosud: how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
2012-10-10 14:46:43 Steve__: web / Chrome
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2012-10-10 14:47:18 Maosud: how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
2012-10-10 14:47:23 ppk_: Maosud: Sorry, I don't understand. What doesn't the text get out of?
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2012-10-10 14:47:59 Maosud: wait , i will show u
2012-10-10 14:48:05 arkhi: Maosud: It's always easier for others to answer with a code example. :)
2012-10-10 14:48:06 ppk_: Please
2012-10-10 14:48:07 arkhi: ha
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2012-10-10 14:48:41 thonju: what's wrong
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2012-10-10 14:49:03 Sandkorn: everything. more cowbell is needet.
2012-10-10 14:50:09 Steve__: How can I disable joined/quit notifications when using the IRC web client, in chrome on a PC?
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2012-10-10 14:50:17 FFFix: test msg
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2012-10-10 14:50:36 phwd: Tomato: I got a notice that I was banned for sharing an IP with someone else
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2012-10-10 14:50:45 phwd: can you confirm?
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2012-10-10 14:50:56 shepazu: Steve__: the web cient has limited options, if you want to hang out for real, you should use a regulr chat client
2012-10-10 14:50:56 Steve__: FFFix: msg received
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2012-10-10 14:51:33 Steve__: ah ha, thanks Shepazu
2012-10-10 14:51:45 Tomato: I only banned one person, although he was just unbanned because the block didn't work, there shouldn't be any blocks that were put up by me.
2012-10-10 14:51:48 Tomato: phwd
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2012-10-10 14:52:22 Maosud: guys see this
2012-10-10 14:52:22 Maosud: http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png
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2012-10-10 14:52:31 phwd: Tomato: see this http://i.stack.imgur.com/V0n5H.png
2012-10-10 14:52:43 phwd: That's what I got when going for an edit
2012-10-10 14:52:43 Maosud: a  text  in <p> go out of it's width
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2012-10-10 14:53:37 Maosud: http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png >> so what can i do to don't let a text get out of it's width ???
2012-10-10 14:53:40 Guest35539: hello!
2012-10-10 14:53:41 ppk_: Now I get it.
2012-10-10 14:53:42 Steve__: Maosud: try - overflow:hidden;
2012-10-10 14:53:46 Steve__: in css
2012-10-10 14:53:46 Nick_Zaccardi: part
2012-10-10 14:53:51 phwd: I don't know how the IPs get logged but... I'm currently in Bahamas on a small island @_@ (no joke)
2012-10-10 14:53:57 Maosud: ok , i will try now
2012-10-10 14:54:03 ppk_: Maosud: There are no spaces or other breakpoint characters such as - in that line.
2012-10-10 14:54:12 arkhi: Maosud: Will it really happen that a word is going to be that long?
2012-10-10 14:54:14 ppk_: So the browser can't break it off anywhere, and it's treated as one word.
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2012-10-10 14:54:19 ppk_: Which sticks out of the <p>
2012-10-10 14:54:34 Maosud: yes , i want it automaticlly break the line
2012-10-10 14:54:34 ppk_: overflow: hidden is one solution
2012-10-10 14:54:38 mstalfoort: you can do a "word-wrap: break-word;" in css Maosud
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2012-10-10 14:54:56 ppk_: But this problem doesn't occur in real sentences because they have spaces.
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2012-10-10 14:55:34 arkhi: overflow: hidden would also prevent anything to overflow, so use with caution.
2012-10-10 14:55:44 Maosud: guys thank you , overflow:hidden works , thanks a lot , i'm just 16 , so i don't have enough experience :D
2012-10-10 14:55:47 Maosud: thanksss
2012-10-10 14:55:57 Steve__: Maosud, see mstalfoort's answer
2012-10-10 14:56:00 Steve__: it's better
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2012-10-10 14:56:44 webnick: overflow: hidden just hides the overflow, there's no line-break then
2012-10-10 14:56:53 arkhi: Maosud, unless you're dealing with chinese or asian languages, best guess is you won't have such a problem in real life.
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2012-10-10 14:57:15 arkhi: So mstalfoort is probably a more flexible solution.
2012-10-10 14:57:34 Steve__: Here's a question - when isn't 'word-wrap: break-word' the browser default ?
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2012-10-10 14:58:00 mstalfoort: Steve__, cant answer that one ;)
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2012-10-10 14:58:18 ppk_: Because it's never been the default.
2012-10-10 14:58:21 ppk_: Backward compatibility.
2012-10-10 14:58:30 ppk_: That's circular reasoning, but there you go.
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2012-10-10 14:58:45 arkhi: Steve__: I guess the default is to not break anything, ideally. :p
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2012-10-10 14:59:08 Steve__: sometimes backwards compatibility doesn't mean 'logical' - but I take the point :)
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2012-10-10 14:59:20 ppk_: Backward compatibility is rarely logical.
2012-10-10 14:59:28 Sandkorn: Default: "Content exceeds the boundaries of its container."  ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms531186(VS.85,loband).aspx )
2012-10-10 14:59:30 ppk_: It's following what the other guy did because he did what he did.
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2012-10-10 15:01:56 webnick: maybe you should add "word-wrap: break-word; overflow: auto"
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2012-10-10 15:02:14 Tomato: Hey shepazu, not sure if you saw it but someone posted the same topic five times asking for tags to be forced on the forum so that questions do not get lost. Can that be done?
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2012-10-10 15:02:44 shepazu: Tomato: I can look into it
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2012-10-10 15:04:13 Steve__: is it just me, or does the table on /svg 'hang over the edge'?
2012-10-10 15:04:35 Steve__: doesn't look very web 3.0
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2012-10-10 15:04:52 Xbooo: ola
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2012-10-10 15:05:21 Steve__: hi xbooo
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2012-10-10 15:05:37 phwd: Steve__: it does hang
2012-10-10 15:05:42 Powersource: lol TIL !!something in js turns the object into a boolean and inverts it, and then inverts it again
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2012-10-10 15:06:46 Munter_: Powersource: A fine way of testing truthiness of a value if you're in doubt
2012-10-10 15:07:03 Steve__: so.. do i just leave a comment above the table and tell someone to fix it?
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2012-10-10 15:07:29 Steve__: 'ask'
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2012-10-10 15:07:38 phwd: Steve__: ithink so
2012-10-10 15:07:45 ll__: hello
2012-10-10 15:07:53 phwd: Though the same applies for other tables in the Docs as well
2012-10-10 15:08:21 phwd: So maybe the table format needs to be switched for something else?
2012-10-10 15:08:29 mdel: this channel is a great idea, really glad to hear #webplatform is taking off
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2012-10-10 15:09:03 Andy: joooo
2012-10-10 15:09:06 Andy: hello
2012-10-10 15:09:11 Andy: I vave an problem
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2012-10-10 15:09:52 webnick: do u have more information andy?
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2012-10-10 15:10:41 wax_eagle: tomato: I'm not angry btw
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2012-10-10 15:11:24 wax_eagle: I'm also not trolling.
2012-10-10 15:11:35 Tomato: I know.
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2012-10-10 15:12:06 wax_eagle: cool. apologies for the repost.
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2012-10-10 15:14:56 kittens_: HI!
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2012-10-10 15:15:07 kittens_: Any admin help please
2012-10-10 15:15:17 kittens_: ^^
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2012-10-10 15:15:29 lampe2: hey how
2012-10-10 15:15:37 kittens_: what?
2012-10-10 15:15:40 kittens_: help plz
2012-10-10 15:15:53 kittens_: u admin?
2012-10-10 15:15:54 ralphholzmann: what do you need kittens_ ?
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2012-10-10 15:16:15 lampe2: are you still makeing the web fps game ? :D kittens_
2012-10-10 15:16:17 kittens_: lampe?
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2012-10-10 15:16:40 lampe2: no iam not an admin i just joind the chanell
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2012-10-10 15:16:47 kittens_: unban my nicks please
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2012-10-10 15:17:02 kittens_: why banned kitten^^ and kitten99?
2012-10-10 15:17:05 kittens_: :(
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2012-10-10 15:17:35 kittens_: i think bad moderator is catsfobic
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2012-10-10 15:17:46 Tomato: catsfobic?
2012-10-10 15:17:52 lampe2: looool
2012-10-10 15:17:55 Garbee: kittens_, Because your causing too much noise.
2012-10-10 15:17:59 mfer: anyone know who handles search on the wiki?
2012-10-10 15:18:00 kittens_: yes ha afraid and do not like cats
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2012-10-10 15:18:12 kittens_: u banned me?
2012-10-10 15:18:14 Steve__: How should I reference TCP from the /concepts/internet_and_web/how_does_the_internet_work (TCP has a stub page already)?
2012-10-10 15:18:15 mfer: i've found a bug where a search result can show up multiple times. not sure where to report it
2012-10-10 15:18:16 Tomato: mfer, what is your question about wiki searches. o;
2012-10-10 15:18:18 kittens_: why? :(((
2012-10-10 15:19:02 Tomato: Oh okay, mfer, you can check out this page for filing bugs: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
2012-10-10 15:19:05 phwd: Did you get all the information you needed about your 2D platform game?
2012-10-10 15:19:14 kittens_: i want start open project open game
2012-10-10 15:19:18 mfer: @Tomato thanks
2012-10-10 15:19:24 kittens_: how do?
2012-10-10 15:19:38 kittens_: i just need help with developing
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2012-10-10 15:20:11 lampe2: kittens_, we are no teachers !
2012-10-10 15:20:13 phwd: Right though you were given some links yesterday, didn't they work out?
2012-10-10 15:20:13 Tomato: mfer, this is the direct link for posting a new bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-10 15:20:24 mfer: thanks
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2012-10-10 15:21:02 kittens_: project need few developers
2012-10-10 15:21:11 kittens_: and one designer
2012-10-10 15:21:19 kittens_: lgpl v3 + CC
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2012-10-10 15:21:42 lampe2: okay i stop feeding the troll ..
2012-10-10 15:21:43 erKadam: wht's up
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2012-10-10 15:21:50 Kashi: wow so many ppl out here already
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2012-10-10 15:22:03 kittens_: oh i think can use sounds and textures of other open games
2012-10-10 15:22:06 shepazu: Tomato: I changed some options for the QA, I hope that helps with the spam
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2012-10-10 15:22:27 webnick: hi lampe2
2012-10-10 15:22:33 shepazu: now I'm answering some forum questions
2012-10-10 15:22:34 lampe2: hi webnick
2012-10-10 15:22:36 kittens_: Why github have not compilled programms?
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2012-10-10 15:22:49 erKadam: hi
2012-10-10 15:22:51 Tomato: shepazu, thanks a ton, I appreciate it. The spam was pretty consistent last night, lol.
2012-10-10 15:22:53 kittens_: i just not see there are
2012-10-10 15:23:13 mdel: kittens_: thats a question for github support
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2012-10-10 15:23:33 phwd: Just read the instructions in the README of the repo for how to compile
2012-10-10 15:24:19 kittens_: Recommend good website please with html/js developers?
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2012-10-10 15:24:39 kittens_: sourceforge have compiled programms
2012-10-10 15:24:51 kittens_: i want download and atart programm
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2012-10-10 15:24:56 kittens_: i not have compile
2012-10-10 15:25:03 Garbee: kittens_, GitHub can have compiled programs as well.  It is all up to the devs to push one.
2012-10-10 15:25:06 kittens_: i not want compile
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2012-10-10 15:25:41 Garbee: We can't help because you don't want to compile.  Any issues with projects not related to webplatform.org we can't help with.
2012-10-10 15:25:43 kittens_: stop ban cat nick please^^
2012-10-10 15:25:52 kittens_: cats nicks
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2012-10-10 15:26:24 webnick: lampe2, did u solve ur problem?
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2012-10-10 15:26:42 lampe2: webnick, sort of :D with jquery mobile
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2012-10-10 15:26:46 Tomato: psst sonotos.
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2012-10-10 15:27:03 Tomato: Hi wax_eagle.
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2012-10-10 15:27:29 webnick: did u test it on a iDevice?
2012-10-10 15:27:31 Garbee: kittens_, You are asking something so completely vague that there is no real way we can help.  Also you shouldn't be soliciting for developers to help on a project in here.
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2012-10-10 15:27:44 sonotos: Tomato: hm?
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2012-10-10 15:27:55 arkhi: Woudln't a bot with shortcuts to http://jsfiddle.net/ and the like would help moderators.
2012-10-10 15:28:06 dd_ slaps mstalfoort around a bit with a large fishbot
2012-10-10 15:28:12 Matin_: I need To Help !!
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2012-10-10 15:28:20 arkhi: for the offtopic chan, then.
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2012-10-10 15:28:30 Tomato: sonotos, I bet you want to help me sort 149 pages that got sorted into the wrong category. (;
2012-10-10 15:28:30 Garbee: arkhi, A bot where?
2012-10-10 15:28:52 sonotos: Tomato: which ones?
2012-10-10 15:28:55 Matin_: Any one to help me ???
2012-10-10 15:28:55 kittens_: Garbee?
2012-10-10 15:29:02 kittens_: what u mean about developers?
2012-10-10 15:29:06 arkhi: Garbee: anywhere you're tired of repeating the same thing all over again. :)
2012-10-10 15:29:14 kittens_: game will be open
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2012-10-10 15:29:27 kittens_: project need developers
2012-10-10 15:29:32 Garbee: kittens_, It may be, but you were asking for developers and designers to help earlier and that shouldn't be done.
2012-10-10 15:29:37 sonotos: we should write a script for such tasks :-)
2012-10-10 15:29:38 kittens_: cose i only start learning
2012-10-10 15:29:44 arkhi: Just suggestions, I don't have a proper server that would allow me to do this.
2012-10-10 15:29:51 Garbee: arkhi, Oh, don't worry, I'm working on a helper bot for this channel.
2012-10-10 15:29:58 arkhi: Cool. :)
2012-10-10 15:30:14 Garbee: I just have one thing to get done first which is this outline for the dev tools content.
2012-10-10 15:30:17 lampe2: haha make this bot funny. Garbee
2012-10-10 15:30:18 kittens_: garbee its u banned kittens nicks
2012-10-10 15:30:21 kittens_: unban please
2012-10-10 15:30:36 Tomato: Garbee, you know what would be a really awesome IRC bot? One that shows the edits on the wiki, possibly in another channel but it makes watching recent changes really easy.
2012-10-10 15:30:46 deltaray: "WeeChat 0.3.9"
2012-10-10 15:30:51 kittens_: Your question will be checked and approved shortly.  why?
2012-10-10 15:31:05 sonotos: Tomato: definitly in another channel
2012-10-10 15:31:15 Tomato: Yeah it would spam a lot obviously, lol.
2012-10-10 15:31:17 sonotos: think that would be flooding als hell
2012-10-10 15:31:31 Garbee: lampe2, How do you make a bot funny?
2012-10-10 15:31:45 sonotos: especially when we perform special categorization tasks
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2012-10-10 15:32:23 lampe2: first of all thx Garbee and i dont know just with funny answers when stupid question comes :)
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2012-10-10 15:32:54 Garbee: lampe2, Nah.  It is just for utlities.  Like saying @@jsfiddle in ##twitter-bootstrap it will link to a jsfiddle to be used.
2012-10-10 15:32:57 kitten123: Garbee why?!?!??! WHY U BAN MA ALL TIME!??!?!?
2012-10-10 15:33:02 kitten123: :((((
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2012-10-10 15:33:07 kitten123: i abuse
2012-10-10 15:33:20 Garbee: kitten123, Cut the crap or I'm going to ban you outright.
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2012-10-10 15:33:27 lampe2: Garbee, ahhh a link bot :)
2012-10-10 15:33:30 Garbee: No more warnings.
2012-10-10 15:33:35 Huhuhu: ggg
2012-10-10 15:33:38 kitten123: why?
2012-10-10 15:33:40 kitten123: reason?
2012-10-10 15:33:45 kitten123: :(
2012-10-10 15:33:56 shepazu: kitten, please stop trolling
2012-10-10 15:34:13 kitten123: i said i will abuse on u
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2012-10-10 15:34:32 sonotos: lol
2012-10-10 15:34:36 Garbee: Can we ban someone using the webclient?
2012-10-10 15:34:40 Tomato_: sonotos, it can be a little hard to see edits between all the registration.
2012-10-10 15:34:48 Garbee: It looks like we can w/o affecting others...
2012-10-10 15:34:51 Tomato_: Figured the bot would be nice, but maybe registration will slow down soon.
2012-10-10 15:34:59 shepazu: I'm goign to take the web client down for the day
2012-10-10 15:35:00 Grephix`dev: Garbee: nope, not really
2012-10-10 15:35:03 Grephix`dev: Not possible.
2012-10-10 15:35:09 shepazu: until we figure out a better solution
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2012-10-10 15:35:27 Garbee: shepazu, http://test.jonathangarbee.com/  --My recommendation.
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2012-10-10 15:35:41 Sandkorn: dont /mode commands work within the web client?
2012-10-10 15:35:43 Garbee: It links over to Freenodes web client if people want to use that.
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2012-10-10 15:35:53 yarali06: nabıyonuz gençler
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2012-10-10 15:36:04 kittens3211: shipasu u ll death^^
2012-10-10 15:36:08 kittens3211: :)
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2012-10-10 15:36:52 kittensmeow: MEOW!
2012-10-10 15:36:56 Grephix`dev: Ah good, Garbee
2012-10-10 15:37:01 mattl_: could you make it so the channel requires you to be a registeed freenode user
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2012-10-10 15:37:07 Grephix`dev: The Freenodes webclient actually passes an IP address
2012-10-10 15:37:08 Tomato_: Poor Garbee.
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2012-10-10 15:37:17 Garbee: Damn invasion of kittens!
2012-10-10 15:37:18 schalkneethling: part
2012-10-10 15:37:23 Grephix`dev: mattl: one could
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2012-10-10 15:37:25 Garbee: I need to get my dog in IRC to take care fo them.
2012-10-10 15:37:28 aedf: MEOW!
2012-10-10 15:37:33 Grephix`dev: however, many people in here never heard of IRC
2012-10-10 15:37:46 Grephix`dev: Would dramatically decrease join count..
2012-10-10 15:37:55 Garbee: Wack-a-troll.
2012-10-10 15:37:56 Grephix`dev: people not knowing how to register, etc.
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2012-10-10 15:38:09 arkhi: Grephix`dev: Would that be a bad thing?
2012-10-10 15:38:18 Grephix`dev: arkhi: not sure.
2012-10-10 15:38:22 ppk_: I'd also say we're looking for less people here, not more.
2012-10-10 15:38:24 mdel: i dont think so... registration is easy
2012-10-10 15:38:34 mdel: and if you are here, and you find it helpful, you should register
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2012-10-10 15:38:46 Grephix`dev: however, why wudn't we use the freenode web client?
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2012-10-10 15:38:52 Grephix`dev: That actually passes the IP address in the hostname
2012-10-10 15:38:56 rggh: MEOW!
2012-10-10 15:38:56 YsenGrimm: hey erveryon
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2012-10-10 15:39:00 YsenGrimm: everyone
2012-10-10 15:39:01 Grephix`dev: 504f2bae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.79.43.174
2012-10-10 15:39:04 rggh: hi!
2012-10-10 15:39:05 Grephix`dev: makes it possible to ban by IP
2012-10-10 15:39:08 arkhi: Keep the log publicly available, so that people can see if they're interested.
2012-10-10 15:39:13 arkhi: Then explain how to register.
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2012-10-10 15:39:36 sonotos: Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons
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2012-10-10 15:39:39 meow_: MEOW!
2012-10-10 15:39:42 sonotos: then it's ok
2012-10-10 15:39:45 _cheney: still think removing the web client is the best idea
2012-10-10 15:39:57 Garbee: That was probably the wrong person...
2012-10-10 15:40:03 ppk_: Yes
2012-10-10 15:40:04 Tomato_: Hahaha.
2012-10-10 15:40:06 Tomato_: It was.
2012-10-10 15:40:07 Tomato_: Lol.
2012-10-10 15:40:07 webnick: explaining how to register on the page where the webclient is at the moment would be the best solution i think
2012-10-10 15:40:20 Garbee: ugh, Freaking troll.
2012-10-10 15:40:22 sonotos: Garbee: was right to
2012-10-10 15:40:33 Tomato_: It's okay, I accidentally did it earlier with wax_eagles IP, it blocked someone else on accident. ):
2012-10-10 15:40:34 Garbee: I think I may just +m the room until we get things figured out.
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2012-10-10 15:40:48 Grephix`dev: [17:44:20] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons < hash the IP?
2012-10-10 15:40:53 aaa: what is this place?
2012-10-10 15:40:53 Grephix`dev: And how would you do that?
2012-10-10 15:40:56 sonotos: sha1
2012-10-10 15:41:00 Grephix`dev: It's the freenode webclient that passes the IP address
2012-10-10 15:41:04 Grephix`dev: We ourselves have no control over that
2012-10-10 15:41:07 mdel: why would you hash the IP
2012-10-10 15:41:07 wax_eagle: @Tomato_ you blocked a bunch of people :)
2012-10-10 15:41:19 Tomato_: They are all unblocked now!
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2012-10-10 15:41:22 Tomato_: I'm sorry!!
2012-10-10 15:41:43 sonotos: Grephix`dev: thought we were talking about the webplatform chat
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2012-10-10 15:41:43 wax_eagle: @Tomato_ no problemo :).
2012-10-10 15:41:44 Alex_______: Hello! How make bot on JavaScript?
2012-10-10 15:41:56 Grephix`dev: sonotos: we are
2012-10-10 15:41:59 _cheney: try ##javascript
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2012-10-10 15:42:22 aaa: ##javascript
2012-10-10 15:42:26 sonotos: Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
2012-10-10 15:42:27 Alex_______: its harde?
2012-10-10 15:42:41 sonotos: s/write/right
2012-10-10 15:42:43 _cheney: difficulty is relative
2012-10-10 15:42:47 aaa: its stupid
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2012-10-10 15:43:18 Alex_______: I need bot for reenter on this chat cose moderator ban me all time^^
2012-10-10 15:43:20 Grephix`dev: [17:47:11] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
2012-10-10 15:43:25 Grephix`dev: I was suggesting to link to the freenode IRC web client
2012-10-10 15:43:38 Grephix`dev: which automatically passes the IP adress of the connecting user
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2012-10-10 15:43:47 Grephix`dev: As does every other IRC client
2012-10-10 15:43:53 Grephix`dev: Grephix`dev is ~Dennis@lb1.cluster.grephix.nl * Dennis
2012-10-10 15:43:57 Grephix`dev: passes the reverse DNS of my hostname
2012-10-10 15:44:09 sonotos: Grephix`dev: ah ok got it
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2012-10-10 15:44:19 Alex_______: MEOW!^^
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2012-10-10 15:44:27 Grephix`dev: As the freenode IRC web client passes the IP adress we are able to ban by IP
2012-10-10 15:44:33 Grephix`dev: Instead of just ban by nickname (which can be changed)
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2012-10-10 15:45:14 dsfligj: hi
2012-10-10 15:45:25 NotTomato: Hi dsfligj.
2012-10-10 15:45:31 aaa: you should ban the users network adapter directly
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2012-10-10 15:45:42 Grephix`dev: lol aaa
2012-10-10 15:45:45 Grephix`dev: if only that were possible
2012-10-10 15:45:51 aaa: or kill him with an electric pulse an instantly
2012-10-10 15:46:14 dsfligj: garbee i need help please
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2012-10-10 15:46:19 NotTomato: aaa, we can do that now?
2012-10-10 15:46:33 shepazu: ok, disabled
2012-10-10 15:46:35 shepazu: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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2012-10-10 15:46:51 aaa: yeah in the EU they want to force users to register with their real name only
2012-10-10 15:46:51 Grephix`dev: GOOD GOOD
2012-10-10 15:46:54 Grephix`dev: -caps
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2012-10-10 15:47:03 aaa: so there it is, problem solved
2012-10-10 15:47:09 webnick: :)
2012-10-10 15:47:23 dsfligj: and what problem?
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2012-10-10 15:47:58 dsfligj: M
2012-10-10 15:47:58 sonotos: aaa: well one solved million others created
2012-10-10 15:47:58 dsfligj: E
2012-10-10 15:47:59 dsfligj: O
2012-10-10 15:48:00 dsfligj: W
2012-10-10 15:48:00 dsfligj: !
2012-10-10 15:48:03 mdel: /whois bvasko
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2012-10-10 15:48:14 vldcnst: damn cats.
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2012-10-10 15:48:24 Garbee: vldcnst, Not cat, just troll.
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2012-10-10 15:48:39 Sandkorn: bye folks.
2012-10-10 15:48:44 bvasko: yes?
2012-10-10 15:48:44 Grephix`dev: Garbee: as the chat is disabled, why not completely ban web chatclients now?
2012-10-10 15:48:47 hk_: hi friends!
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2012-10-10 15:48:53 NotTomato: Hi hk_.
2012-10-10 15:49:00 mdel: cats are evolving into trolls. because of all the gifs.
2012-10-10 15:49:05 hk_: i need develoeprs for our open project please
2012-10-10 15:49:27 Garbee: Grephix`dev, Because there are some real people using it.  I will look into it real quick though in case that one troll comes back again.
2012-10-10 15:49:36 aaa: here is my idea: bad users by their OS/browser client id
2012-10-10 15:49:57 hk_: Garbee i not troll
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2012-10-10 15:49:59 hk_: hey?!?!
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2012-10-10 15:50:15 aaa: so lets say when some guy from an apple iOS is trolling
2012-10-10 15:50:16 Grephix`dev: aaa: which is not possible
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2012-10-10 15:50:36 aaa: let other apple users being kicked too
2012-10-10 15:50:47 NotTomato: Another solution might be to make the channel voice only, and ask users to PM you for voice if they need to talk. At leasst.. until the traffic calms down, obviously not constantly.
2012-10-10 15:50:57 NotTomato: least*
2012-10-10 15:51:03 Garbee: That should handle anyone new coming in.
2012-10-10 15:51:07 mdel: i think all of these half-measures are pointless. ban webchat, real people who want to participate can use a client and register with freenode
2012-10-10 15:51:10 Garbee: People already connected get to stay.
2012-10-10 15:51:11 Ordona: Either voiced or they mut have a registered name
2012-10-10 15:51:14 miketaylr: "Sorry guys, no progress was made on the platform this year--still figuring out how to deal with trolls from irc."
2012-10-10 15:51:16 Ordona: must*
2012-10-10 15:51:17 Garbee: mdel, We have for the time being.
2012-10-10 15:51:22 Garbee: We completely took it down.
2012-10-10 15:51:23 sonotos: miketaylr: rofl
2012-10-10 15:51:25 mdel: miketaylr: lol this
2012-10-10 15:51:30 Garbee: and by we I mean shepazu.
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2012-10-10 15:51:38 mdel: Garbee: all webchat, or just the one on the site?
2012-10-10 15:51:41 andrewjbaker: miketaylr, exactly.
2012-10-10 15:51:43 NotTomato: shh, miketaylr!!
2012-10-10 15:51:45 shepazu: I have disabled the webchat for now… let's revisit the trolling problem when it arises
2012-10-10 15:51:46 NotTomato: don't tell them.
2012-10-10 15:51:48 miketaylr hushes
2012-10-10 15:51:54 Garbee: mdel, We blocked the problem one, which was the one from webplatform.org/chat
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2012-10-10 15:52:20 shepazu: other trols we can deal with by banning them based on IP
2012-10-10 15:52:22 mdel: yeah I saw, I just assumed persistent trolls would find other means
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2012-10-10 15:52:30 Garbee: Great, the troll is pming me now.
2012-10-10 15:52:35 NotTomato: Hahaha.
2012-10-10 15:52:41 Ordona: That's why /ignore exists
2012-10-10 15:52:48 mdel: ^
2012-10-10 15:52:49 Garbee: Unless that is the user I accidentally kicked earlier thinking it was the troll...
2012-10-10 15:53:06 ppk_: Does it say meow?
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2012-10-10 15:53:19 shepazu: ok, at some point, talking about trolls is trolling...
2012-10-10 15:53:23 Garbee: No, it is defending kitten, which is good enough for me to kick from here.
2012-10-10 15:53:37 Garbee: Ok, troll talk done.
2012-10-10 15:53:42 Garbee: It should all be handled now.
2012-10-10 15:53:54 mdel: anyone ever have those trolls with the gems in their stomach
2012-10-10 15:53:56 mdel: as a kid, of course
2012-10-10 15:54:10 shepazu: mdel: please.
2012-10-10 15:54:19 mdel: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg
2012-10-10 15:54:34 shepazu: let's get back to discussions of web dev and the site
2012-10-10 15:54:38 mdel: those things. I always picture them when discussing annoying users on IRC
2012-10-10 15:54:45 mdel: but yes, agreed :)
2012-10-10 15:54:50 NoiseEee: part
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2012-10-10 15:54:59 ppk_: Maybe a short status report?
2012-10-10 15:55:11 ppk_: Edits committed, quality of those edits, that sort of thing?
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2012-10-10 15:55:29 eternicode: -_- this auto-logout bug ended with me posting an answer as anonymous, with no option to claim it afterwards.
2012-10-10 15:55:50 shepazu: eternicode: have you filed a bug?
2012-10-10 15:56:06 eternicode: shepazu, I believe it's a known bug.
2012-10-10 15:56:23 shepazu: eternicode: a forum bug?
2012-10-10 15:56:28 eternicode: yeah
2012-10-10 15:56:49 shepazu: eternicode: can you please comment on the bug with that particular problem (reclaiming answers?)
2012-10-10 15:57:02 shepazu: we'll try to solve it as soon as we can
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2012-10-10 15:57:28 eternicode: if I can find the bug, sure. (If not, I'll submit it afresh with the comment)
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2012-10-10 15:58:00 webnick is away from keyboard now.
2012-10-10 15:58:16 shepazu: thanks, eternicode
2012-10-10 15:58:41 vldcnst: webnick: we really care.
2012-10-10 15:59:34 webnick: thats why i wrote this. lol
2012-10-10 16:00:01 arkhi: Good night all...
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2012-10-10 16:05:12 NotTomato: shepazu, your filter is catching comments you make. :x How does the spam filter work?
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2012-10-10 16:05:28 shepazu: NotTomato: sorry, busy right now
2012-10-10 16:05:34 NotTomato: Okay no problem.
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2012-10-10 16:17:03 shepazu: Garbee: I like the wording you used for the chat page… may I use that?
2012-10-10 16:18:41 Killswitch: "RAGEQUIT"
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2012-10-10 16:24:54 Garbee: shepazu, Go right ahead.
2012-10-10 16:25:08 Garbee: I made that as an example page to give to you guys to replace the one with just a chat window.
2012-10-10 16:25:51 Garbee: I did tl;dr first since that is all most people will need.  Anyone who doesn't get it can read the fluff on the rest of the page.
2012-10-10 16:27:02 shepazu: thanks, Garbee
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2012-10-10 16:33:33 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges the wiki is being attacked by a vandal, trying to get the abusefilters to block him so I don't have to keep watching.
2012-10-10 16:34:12 NotTomato: If anyone else is good with abusefilters.
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2012-10-10 16:35:37 Serrata: i'm assuming the page is still safe if I follow that link
2012-10-10 16:35:41 Serrata clicks
2012-10-10 16:36:03 Serrata: oh god, thats was the changes link, nevermind I'm not on the ball
2012-10-10 16:37:37 NotTomato: Hahaha.
2012-10-10 16:38:04 Serrata: I reserve the right to be stupid as long as I'm not making changes
2012-10-10 16:38:34 NotTomato: It's no big deal, wikis take time to get used to. My first time encountering a wiki was pretty bad.
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2012-10-10 16:40:03 Jayflux: paul_irish how do you go about using boilerplate with bootstrap, do you use that initiator? (or w/e its called)
2012-10-10 16:40:08 BRampersad: Hello guys
2012-10-10 16:40:17 paul_irish: initializr
2012-10-10 16:40:18 paul_irish: yes
2012-10-10 16:40:20 pdr2: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
2012-10-10 16:40:35 paul_irish:  there is also kickstrap which seems nice
2012-10-10 16:41:14 Garbee prefers initializr
2012-10-10 16:41:23 _cheney: so initalizr merges bootstrap css and boilerplate html?
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2012-10-10 16:41:49 BRampersad: Anyone here uses bootstrap?
2012-10-10 16:41:57 BRampersad: or foundation.
2012-10-10 16:41:59 Garbee uses Bootstrap.
2012-10-10 16:42:03 _cheney: i'm using bootstrap
2012-10-10 16:42:25 Garbee: I also mod ##twitter-bootstrap, so if you have any questions relating directly to that you can hop in there.
2012-10-10 16:43:11 Garbee: I know a few devs who like Foundation.  I actually know one that is trying to merge Bootstrap and Foundation into one super-framework.
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2012-10-10 16:44:14 _cheney: so many front-end tools popping up, hard to keep track
2012-10-10 16:44:30 _cheney: not to mention the js frameworks
2012-10-10 16:44:38 BRampersad: Yikes. that sounds big
2012-10-10 16:44:46 mdel: i've been working with bootstrap a lot
2012-10-10 16:45:22 mdel: the featureset is great, I wish it was 1) SASS based and 2) semantic grid
2012-10-10 16:45:36 _cheney: foundation is sass based
2012-10-10 16:46:20 _cheney: there's this http://thesassway.com/projects/sass-twitter-bootstrap
2012-10-10 16:46:33 Nick_Zaccardi: Foundation is nice, but Bootstrap takes the W for quantity
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2012-10-10 16:46:37 _cheney: doesn't seem updated though
2012-10-10 16:46:41 mdel: yes, I do use the sass port
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2012-10-10 16:47:00 BRampersad: What are some of your favorite websites to help with webdev?
2012-10-10 16:47:04 BRampersad: Like kuler etc
2012-10-10 16:48:23 zachleat: part
2012-10-10 16:48:29 mdel: I want something like bootstrap that allows separate between components and layout
2012-10-10 16:48:43 Garbee: I tend to see SASS ports of Bootstrap having issues.
2012-10-10 16:48:53 Garbee: Then people come into ##tw-bs to complain about it. :/
2012-10-10 16:49:02 mdel: i want something pluggable - I want to be able to drop in my own grid system, add jQuery UI for modals, etc
2012-10-10 16:49:12 paul_irish: hey mdel
2012-10-10 16:49:22 mdel: hay there
2012-10-10 16:49:45 michael_: last week i was think about why dont use 2 css files one for layout and one just for style and at the next project i think i will try it
2012-10-10 16:50:01 Garbee: mdel, You may want to bring that kind of functionality up in the Bootstrap issue tracker to start a discussion for it.
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2012-10-10 16:50:47 mdel: Garbee: I don't see the bootstrap project moving away from LESS any time soon
2012-10-10 16:51:01 Garbee: mdel, Yea, they won't.
2012-10-10 16:51:42 Garbee: I like that part because I can drop the less files on my server and pick just the ones I need.  From there add a custom less file to make changes and boom.  Automatic CSS generation on any update from there on out.
2012-10-10 16:51:53 Garbee: But I think what you want requires a bit more flexibility than just that.
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2012-10-10 16:52:14 Garbee: paul_irish, How is your throat today?
2012-10-10 16:52:21 paul_irish: bad
2012-10-10 16:52:26 paul_irish: going to doctors now
2012-10-10 16:52:35 mdel: :(
2012-10-10 16:52:48 Garbee: Throat removal, that is going to be a pain.
2012-10-10 16:52:50 NotTomato: paul_irish, is your nose runny? I got sick last week with a sore throat too and so did most of my town apparently.
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2012-10-10 16:53:19 NotTomato: It was just amazing because everyone I knew got the same sickness.
2012-10-10 16:53:26 NotTomato: Even if I wasn't visiting them.
2012-10-10 16:53:34 Garbee: must refrain from bad joke...
2012-10-10 16:53:37 NotTomato: Something weird going around.
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2012-10-10 16:53:53 NotTomato: Shh Garbee!!
2012-10-10 16:54:04 mdel: lol
2012-10-10 16:55:55 mdel: imagine bootstrap, built on compass
2012-10-10 16:56:01 mdel: susy for semantic grids
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2012-10-10 16:56:15 mdel: jQuery UI for modals and other interactive jawns
2012-10-10 16:57:01 Garbee: I honestly didn't like jQuery UI until just about a week or so ago.
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2012-10-10 16:58:28 lampe2: i must work right now with jquery mobile and what strange it dont has vertical sliders :D
2012-10-10 16:58:42 Garbee: jquery mobile?
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2012-10-10 16:59:06 Garbee: hmm... Haven't seen this before.
2012-10-10 16:59:14 klaus-br: Hello guys
2012-10-10 16:59:19 NotTomato: Hi klaus-br.
2012-10-10 16:59:41 lampe2: Garbee, it is for tablets and phones. its really nice for simple uis
2012-10-10 17:00:10 mdel: i find jQuery mobile too "overbearing" in how it forces you to do things
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2012-10-10 17:00:22 mdel: i havent used it in a while though
2012-10-10 17:00:33 Garbee: Yea, I'm seeing that now.  I haven't built anything specifically for those device types yet so I will keep an eye on this in case I need it in the future.
2012-10-10 17:00:57 klaus-br: I need one small help. You recommend specif Jquery Framework to developer Games?
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2012-10-10 17:01:31 lampe2: mdel, yes sometimes it is to much what it does but i got used to it
2012-10-10 17:01:39 mdel: klaus-br: three.js has gotten a lot of attention lately for 3D capabilities
2012-10-10 17:01:49 klaus-br: Good
2012-10-10 17:01:54 Garbee: klaus-br, I just found this, haven't used it though so can't speak to it:  http://gamequeryjs.com/
2012-10-10 17:02:01 mdel: klaus-br: not jQuery-based though
2012-10-10 17:02:12 klaus-br: Ok, no problems
2012-10-10 17:02:22 klaus-br: Thank you for the responses
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2012-10-10 17:02:42 klaus-br: Go to code and come back to notices. See later!
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2012-10-10 17:02:49 lampe2: klaus-br, if yoi want 3d and jquery code styling try http://jeromeetienne.github.com/tquery/
2012-10-10 17:03:18 thock: return this does not a pattern make
2012-10-10 17:03:32 klaus-br: Ok
2012-10-10 17:04:09 justinBeaudry: klaus-br:  Google Maple.js as well.
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2012-10-10 17:05:12 klaus-br: I Good. I analise in the past this project (Google Maple)...
2012-10-10 17:05:28 lampe2: i never understood why node.js is so cool :D
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2012-10-10 17:05:38 klaus-br: I like soo much the site of tquery API
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2012-10-10 17:06:15 justinBeaudry: klaus-br, if you do find any good game server API's would mind pm'ing me them?
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2012-10-10 17:06:30 klaus-br: Yes justin
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2012-10-10 17:07:13 klaus-br: The tquery need WebGl
2012-10-10 17:07:16 klaus-br: :(
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2012-10-10 17:07:57 Garbee: Ok, can anyone explain what WebGL is supposed to be in like two sentences?
2012-10-10 17:08:12 Garbee: I have seen it and tried to read about what it does but I just still haven't had it click.
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2012-10-10 17:09:29 lampe2: Garbee, WebGL is OpenGL for browsers. so it is a 3D engine for browsers if you want so
2012-10-10 17:09:49 Garbee: lampe2, Ok, That makes sense to me knowing what OpenGL is.
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2012-10-10 17:10:14 lampe2: Garbee, so that you can render 3d objects with your graphicscard not the cpu
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2012-10-10 17:10:33 lampe2: on the low level it is a api for your GPU
2012-10-10 17:10:55 klaus-br: lampe2 good explanation
2012-10-10 17:11:11 Garbee: So why is it bad that tquery needs WebGL?
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2012-10-10 17:11:21 Garbee: That sounds like a great thing.
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2012-10-10 17:11:44 lampe2: Garbee, it isent bad. the problem is the support of the browsers is not very good right now
2012-10-10 17:11:49 webnick: i think because webGL is not supported in all browsers, isn't it?
2012-10-10 17:11:56 klaus-br: Garbee, it is not good for me only
2012-10-10 17:11:57 Garbee: Ah, support ofc.
2012-10-10 17:12:15 lampe2: in chrome you must force it to use it on linux :)
2012-10-10 17:12:26 Garbee: Wouldn't the GPU also need to support this though?
2012-10-10 17:12:28 klaus-br: My pc isn't new
2012-10-10 17:12:35 Garbee: Or does the browser become the interlayer to the GPU?
2012-10-10 17:12:52 lampe2: Garbee, every gpu can opengl  since 199X :)
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2012-10-10 17:13:18 klaus-br: Garbee, in the firefox, that not show the examples
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2012-10-10 17:13:22 Garbee: lampe2, Oh perfect.  So then the only systems not supported we don't even want on the internets anymore.
2012-10-10 17:13:34 webnick: yes, the gpu has to support it, but see lampe2 's anwser
2012-10-10 17:13:44 klaus-br: but in the google chrome it execute normal
2012-10-10 17:14:24 Garbee: Sweet thanks for that info guys.  I have heard that being talked about and just never really got it.  Then again I'm not a JS person, I quite honestly hate JS (personal stuff, not as tech since that is actually pretty great.)
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2012-10-10 17:14:51 webnick: google chrome was the first browser to support it i think, don't know if ff supports webGL in the final version right now
2012-10-10 17:14:53 lampe2: Garbee, i hate plain JS to but coffeescript and jquery are really great !
2012-10-10 17:15:07 tsingh: and this is just for my own info, do ios/android do any webgl support
2012-10-10 17:15:20 Garbee: lampe2, I *always* use jquery if possible.  But I hate writing things even in that.  I find plugins and let people tell me how to call stuff.
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2012-10-10 17:15:41 lampe2: can i use webgl >>>> http://caniuse.com/webgl
2012-10-10 17:16:04 _cheney: raw javascript skills are becoming more important then ever
2012-10-10 17:16:07 lampe2: haha Garbee i do it so too :) but sometimes there are no plugins
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2012-10-10 17:16:13 _cheney: tons of jobs wanting it
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2012-10-10 17:16:24 Garbee: And when there are no plugins, I tend to rethink what I'm doing.
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2012-10-10 17:16:53 Garbee: Unless I *really* need it which hasn't happened yet.  But I guess when it does one day that will force me to actually learn some jquery.
2012-10-10 17:16:54 tsingh: thanks, for the link
2012-10-10 17:17:12 lampe2: its funny blackberry can do webgl :D
2012-10-10 17:17:17 webnick: so its partially supported in ff and fully supported in ff mobile, interesting.
2012-10-10 17:17:27 Jayflux: WHat happened to the RoR hype, I don't hear much of it now.
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2012-10-10 17:17:48 _cheney: it's all about nodejs these days
2012-10-10 17:17:48 lampe2: Jayflux, iam a RoR guy :)
2012-10-10 17:17:59 Jayflux: haha really _cheney
2012-10-10 17:18:04 plamoni: _cheney +1
2012-10-10 17:18:05 Jayflux: lampe2 happy with it
2012-10-10 17:18:09 Jayflux: ?
2012-10-10 17:18:13 PatrickE: I never really got the hang of node.js
2012-10-10 17:18:14 tsingh: I like RoR. but have not been at a place that uses it any more
2012-10-10 17:18:20 PatrickE: Is it javascript serverside?
2012-10-10 17:18:32 lampe2: Jayflux, yes ! if i must do php now i would cry :)
2012-10-10 17:18:34 _cheney: i don't grasp node either but i'm really trying D:
2012-10-10 17:18:36 webnick: nodejs is serverside, normal js is clientside
2012-10-10 17:18:38 _cheney: yes js on the server
2012-10-10 17:18:39 Jayflux: tsingh same, im starting to think it was all just hype
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2012-10-10 17:18:47 _cheney: running in chromes V8 js engine
2012-10-10 17:18:56 PatrickE: What's the win with it?
2012-10-10 17:19:13 tsingh: node.js. is javascript like but can do the sockets and push to client stuff
2012-10-10 17:19:20 Jayflux: any django heads in here while im on the topic?
2012-10-10 17:19:26 plamoni: node.js: it lets frontend developers get backend development jobs!
2012-10-10 17:19:29 Jayflux: may aswell include everyone
2012-10-10 17:19:33 tsingh: like a long running script can push status using the open stocket
2012-10-10 17:19:36 PatrickE: that's a good argument
2012-10-10 17:19:40 tsingh: not haveing to make polling requests
2012-10-10 17:19:50 justinBeaudry: plamoni:  +1. I'm  living example. :)
2012-10-10 17:19:50 _cheney: the intro paragraph here gives you an idea http://nodejs.org/
2012-10-10 17:19:52 eternicode: Jayflux, django here.
2012-10-10 17:19:54 PatrickE: that's sound nice though
2012-10-10 17:20:15 Jayflux: eternicode ive been playing/learning it. I really enjoy it actually
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2012-10-10 17:20:41 eternicode: cool.
2012-10-10 17:20:45 PatrickE: But then you would need a hosting supporting node.js?
2012-10-10 17:20:49 Jayflux: _cheney isn't it single threaded?
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2012-10-10 17:20:53 plamoni: PatrickE: heroku.com
2012-10-10 17:20:54 eternicode: taking advantage of the docs, I hope? ;)
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2012-10-10 17:21:00 _cheney: yeah it is Jayflux
2012-10-10 17:21:06 Jayflux: _cheney whats with that?
2012-10-10 17:21:09 tsingh: i think nodejs has a high learning curve. and if i had not done a lot of js work back before the libs it would worse.. at least i imagine
2012-10-10 17:21:15 _cheney: i'm unsure :\
2012-10-10 17:21:40 _cheney: there's also nodejitsu.com for hosting
2012-10-10 17:21:41 PatrickE: plamoni: Thanks! Looks awesome, might try it :)
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2012-10-10 17:22:13 milani: tsingh, it is actually js callbacks and prototypes which make it a little difficult for beginners
2012-10-10 17:22:30 Jayflux: eternicode do you use it for work? or just a messing about thing/yourself
2012-10-10 17:22:56 lampe2: sry but iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code and when i see js i just scream inside the samething with java code :D
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2012-10-10 17:23:15 _cheney: there's always things like coffeescript
2012-10-10 17:23:23 eternicode: Jayflux, work.  One client uses it as a frontend for users to manage their cloud hosting stack, another uses OSQA for their support site.
2012-10-10 17:23:29 eternicode: Jayflux, but also fun :)
2012-10-10 17:23:44 milani: lampe2, it is just developers! you can write clean code with js and dirty code with ruby!
2012-10-10 17:24:04 lampe2: _cheney, yes ! and i thank the coffeescript guys every day
2012-10-10 17:24:06 eternicode: " iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code" I'm a python guy and I like readable code :D
2012-10-10 17:24:13 Jeremie: "Leaving..."
2012-10-10 17:24:29 _cheney: read JavaScript: The Good Parts
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2012-10-10 17:24:38 _cheney: it's like a style guide
2012-10-10 17:24:45 lampe2: milani, yes
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2012-10-10 17:24:53 Jayflux: I have to agree with eternicode python is very readable lampe2
2012-10-10 17:25:00 sandroid: weehh, server upgrade from lenny to squeezy finally done
2012-10-10 17:25:20 lampe2: eternicode, __something__ is this really good readable ? but i dont wanne start her a ruby vs python cat fight ;)
2012-10-10 17:25:44 milani: anyway, I think #webplatform is about frontend
2012-10-10 17:25:45 milani: ;)
2012-10-10 17:25:49 eternicode: lampe2, picking underunders as your straw man, eh?
2012-10-10 17:26:01 milani: so you are left with js alone :))
2012-10-10 17:26:03 Garbee: milani, Yes it is.
2012-10-10 17:26:08 lampe2: :D
2012-10-10 17:26:22 eternicode: lampe2, how about all that "optional" punctuation in ruby? ;)
2012-10-10 17:26:26 Jayflux: lampe2 its mainly magic methods that have them afaik
2012-10-10 17:26:35 Jayflux: in otherwords, the built in stuff
2012-10-10 17:26:42 lampe2: eternicode, thats freedom haha
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2012-10-10 17:26:57 lampe2: okay guys lets stop ! ruby is great python is great !
2012-10-10 17:27:03 eternicode: lampe2 yeah because everyone needs optional punctuation right
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2012-10-10 17:27:37 lampe2: eternicode, i dont like ";"
2012-10-10 17:27:48 eternicode: lampe2, agreed, both are tools, just a matter of preference which is used ;)
2012-10-10 17:28:15 eternicode: lampe2, python doesn't use semicolons -- in fact, linters highlight it when you do D:
2012-10-10 17:28:26 lampe2: eternicode, yes, i really like django !
2012-10-10 17:28:40 Jayflux: yeah was gonna say, not sure where he's getting ';' from but it aint python
2012-10-10 17:28:49 eternicode: javascript, probably
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2012-10-10 17:29:07 lampe2: the ";" comes from my love(ironie) to Java :)
2012-10-10 17:29:25 eternicode: I tried to understand ruby/rails once, long ago.  It had too much magic for my taste.  "Explicit is better than implicit", as the pythonistas say.
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2012-10-10 17:30:01 lampe2: when i ever and i mean EVER have to write a documentstreamreader thingy i will jump out the window !
2012-10-10 17:30:34 eternicode: hehe
2012-10-10 17:30:39 lampe2: eternicode, the problem is most people start wrong! they dont start with ruby and then go to ror :)
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2012-10-10 17:30:53 Garbee: lampe2, I hope it is only from a 3rd story or lower.  I would hate for you to become a pancake.
2012-10-10 17:31:03 Garbee: Or is it second story...
2012-10-10 17:31:07 Jayflux: thats cause of the boom of RoR and the inpatience of humans lampe2
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2012-10-10 17:31:41 eternicode: lampe2, maybe.  Fortunately, I was the frontend dev for that project, didn't *have* to mess with the ruby much.  Afterwards I tried going through some ruby tutorials.  Still didn't like what I saw.
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2012-10-10 17:31:47 plamoni: thought folks would appreciate this: Standards compliance, for the win: http://flic.kr/p/divXsk
2012-10-10 17:31:48 lampe2: Garbee, i was working on a java webstart project.... a bad one ... and omg how i hate java now ...
2012-10-10 17:31:55 eternicode: Of course, I was already knee-deep in python at the time.
2012-10-10 17:32:24 lampe2: eternicode, my first language was ruby! i learnd for one year ruby only :)
2012-10-10 17:32:48 eternicode: lampe2, My first language was PHP ;D
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2012-10-10 17:33:14 plamoni: My first language was ABASIC --- i don't know why we don't use that anymore...
2012-10-10 17:33:19 lampe2: eternicode, your poor little guy :D
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2012-10-10 17:33:33 sandroid: my first language was qbasic and then some obscure thing for the comodore amiga
2012-10-10 17:33:44 tsingh: ohhh dear.. this topic is scary
2012-10-10 17:33:45 eternicode: lampe2, I know :) I steer far clear of PHP jobs these days.
2012-10-10 17:33:49 eternicode: <3 Python
2012-10-10 17:33:49 Jayflux: eternicode PHP here too
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2012-10-10 17:33:56 lampe2: can someone make a song about all the Basic language
2012-10-10 17:34:12 sandroid: it would be short since it would goto 10 :P
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2012-10-10 17:34:43 eternicode: sandroid, 10 stanzas, that's not exactly a short song...
2012-10-10 17:34:44 lampe2: ehh
2012-10-10 17:34:52 eternicode: (my jargon may be off...)
2012-10-10 17:35:02 lo_: "-freenode #webplatform"
2012-10-10 17:35:05 lampe2: srz to post this in german but her is a list: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Programmiersprache_Basic
2012-10-10 17:35:23 lampe2: i see more then ten
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2012-10-10 17:35:36 plamoni sings 10 BASIC, oh BASIC, where did you goto? 20 BASIC, oh BASIC, how I miss you! 30 BASIC, oh BASIC, you were the first language I ever INPUT; 40 BASIC, oh BASIC, I'm glad you're kaput! ... goto 10.
2012-10-10 17:35:45 jlembeck: part
2012-10-10 17:35:55 lampe2: lol
2012-10-10 17:35:57 eternicode: haha
2012-10-10 17:35:59 tsingh: nice!
2012-10-10 17:36:00 tsingh: hehe
2012-10-10 17:36:21 lampe2: 10 == 2
2012-10-10 17:36:33 Jayflux: true
2012-10-10 17:36:34 sandroid: :P
2012-10-10 17:36:39 fr0zenice: btw, basic programmers don't die, they just GOSUB and don't RETURN
2012-10-10 17:36:56 sandroid: oh my amos basic :)  that would be the obscure amiga one then :)
2012-10-10 17:36:59 milani: :))
2012-10-10 17:37:11 fr0zenice: basic as a first here too, on a small learning computer when I was 7ish
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2012-10-10 17:37:22 fr0zenice: it could save 5 listings :o
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2012-10-10 17:37:41 lampe2: my first computer was one with norton commander as "os" :D
2012-10-10 17:38:10 plamoni: i totally learned on an Apple IIc, but we didn't know how to save programs to a floppy (because I was like 7 at the time), so every time you restarted the computer, you lost whatever you'd programmed… :-(
2012-10-10 17:38:10 sandroid: c64 breadbox :)
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2012-10-10 17:38:26 milani: fr0zenice, u r abt 25 now. right?
2012-10-10 17:38:31 fr0zenice: yeah
2012-10-10 17:38:35 milani: ;)
2012-10-10 17:38:45 fr0zenice: exactly even :P
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2012-10-10 17:40:11 fr0zenice: I noticed many wiki articles had syntax errors (loose braces and such), wonder if I should fix them when I see them or leave them, because the article will be edited several times anyway...
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2012-10-10 17:40:32 Garbee: fr0zenice, If you feel like taking the time, please go in and make the edit real fast.
2012-10-10 17:40:46 eternicode: fr0zenice, if you don't fix them... who will? D:
2012-10-10 17:40:52 fr0zenice: I see... :P
2012-10-10 17:41:10 Garbee: Every little edit helps, especially with imported material like that.
2012-10-10 17:41:46 fr0zenice: yeah, some bits are really messed up
2012-10-10 17:43:05 fr0zenice: first http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Random hit aaaand error.
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2012-10-10 17:43:46 fr0zenice: should bookmark the random specialpage
2012-10-10 17:43:58 plamoni: so i have a question…. some material seems to be direct-copied from WikiPedia (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/history )…. but doesn't CC BY require that those articles be attributed to wikipedia? Or is my "i'm not a lawyer" showing?
2012-10-10 17:44:20 eternicode: oh, speaking of the wiki -- there are currently at least three articles on /html/attributes/bgcolor with similar content (and same story on several other attributes, too).  I looked at combining them yesterday, but quickly got overwhelmed (I'm *not* a wiki editor...).  Any recommendations?  Reading, etc.
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2012-10-10 17:45:31 _cheney: i'd flag it or cc the content
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2012-10-10 17:46:55 fr0zenice: there seems to be some info here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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2012-10-10 17:55:52 leaverou: we're on HTML5 weekly http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html :)
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2012-10-10 17:56:00 plamoni: _cheney: so, in the case of the History of JS page, clicking "edit" brings up a warning saying, "This page already exists, but it does not use this form.", I'm not sure if using the flagging tools in there would overwrite the whole page or not
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2012-10-10 17:56:16 plamoni: is there a proper technique for flagging such pages?
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2012-10-10 17:57:23 fr0zenice: there's a checkbox at the bottom of the editing form "Is under CC-BY-SA license"
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2012-10-10 17:59:01 fr0zenice: or the div with the special class (see WPD:External_Attribution link)
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2012-10-10 17:59:15 plamoni: yeah, i saw that WPD thing
2012-10-10 17:59:21 plamoni: but wikipedia isn't listed
2012-10-10 17:59:32 plamoni: so we can't use the special div for that
2012-10-10 17:59:59 plamoni: and i don't see the checkbox you're referring to
2012-10-10 18:00:08 plamoni: sorry, i'm a bit of a wiki-n00b
2012-10-10 18:01:15 Garbee: plamoni, I have edited in a few wiki systems, and this one with its customizations throws me off.
2012-10-10 18:01:34 fr0zenice: so many fields ^^
2012-10-10 18:01:37 Garbee: I can't really help though since I'm still drafting an outline of things I'm going to add. :/
2012-10-10 18:01:51 fr0zenice: I mean the checkbox at the very bottom of http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=concepts/programming/javascript/history&action=formedit
2012-10-10 18:02:26 plamoni: fr0zenice: yeah, i see that, but i'm concerned about the warning at the top
2012-10-10 18:02:38 plamoni: if i save using that form, will it just full-out replace the whole page?
2012-10-10 18:02:39 fr0zenice: yeah seems the page must be converted first
2012-10-10 18:02:53 fr0zenice: but also the WPD guide states: An article should have the CC-BY-SA configuration box checked in the "Edit with Form" page if and only if there are some <div class='license-cc-by-sa'> blocks in the article.
2012-10-10 18:02:59 fr0zenice: and Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over.
2012-10-10 18:03:00 Garbee: plamoni, Honestly, I'd say do it because we can always revert the changes.  and if we can't the system is broken.
2012-10-10 18:03:03 fr0zenice: so... yeah
2012-10-10 18:03:19 plamoni: Garbee: okay, will give it a try
2012-10-10 18:03:35 fr0zenice: how I read it is, copying from wiki is not allowed
2012-10-10 18:03:48 fr0zenice: (*wikipedia)
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2012-10-10 18:05:10 Garbee: fr0zenice, Wikipedia uses CC-BY-SA 3.0.  I don't see any reason we couldn't get content from there.
2012-10-10 18:05:43 fr0zenice: what about "Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over."?
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2012-10-10 18:06:03 Garbee: fr0zenice, Can you link me that list please?
2012-10-10 18:06:15 fr0zenice: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution#Dealing_with_CC-BY-SA_content
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2012-10-10 18:07:05 Garbee: There is no list though...
2012-10-10 18:07:17 fr0zenice: scroll up :P
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2012-10-10 18:07:25 plamoni: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:External_Attribution_Source
2012-10-10 18:07:35 Garbee: ah.
2012-10-10 18:07:37 _cheney: edit it, add more :P
2012-10-10 18:07:45 plamoni: don't have permission :-)
2012-10-10 18:07:48 Garbee: Well, "and some others" could fill it in.
2012-10-10 18:07:48 plamoni: must be protected :-)
2012-10-10 18:07:49 _cheney: doh
2012-10-10 18:08:10 fr0zenice: nope Garbee, plamoni linked the full list
2012-10-10 18:08:14 Garbee: I'm going to pull content in from Google's Dev Network, that is CC-BY-SA.
2012-10-10 18:08:33 Garbee: Yea, I see the list now, and it isn't really "full" since there is "and some others" in there.
2012-10-10 18:08:55 plamoni: the properties page should be a complete list, though
2012-10-10 18:08:59 fr0zenice: nah, the Property: link
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2012-10-10 18:09:24 plamoni: so we need an admin to add wikipedia to that, unless there's a reason not to
2012-10-10 18:09:26 Garbee: ah, just DevOpera added.
2012-10-10 18:09:34 Garbee sighs.  
2012-10-10 18:09:39 Garbee: I think that is a stupid setup.
2012-10-10 18:10:21 fr0zenice: dunno, I can understand the "not wanting to deal with multiple licenses" part
2012-10-10 18:10:30 Garbee: No, I get that fully.
2012-10-10 18:10:35 Garbee: Just the way they display this list.
2012-10-10 18:10:44 Garbee: I will write up my thoughts and shoot it into the mailing list.
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2012-10-10 18:11:06 Garbee: Well, later.  I'm too lazy to do it right now.
2012-10-10 18:11:36 fr0zenice: that seems to be the way of the customizations, that Property: fills the checkboxes for "Sources:" at the bottom of the edit form
2012-10-10 18:11:52 plamoni: Garbee: is there a public mailing list?
2012-10-10 18:12:02 Garbee: plamoni, Yea let me get the link for you.
2012-10-10 18:12:04 fr0zenice: wondering that as well now :P
2012-10-10 18:12:08 plamoni: cool, tha nks
2012-10-10 18:12:10 plamoni: thanks*
2012-10-10 18:12:35 Garbee: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2012-10-10 18:13:09 fr0zenice: thx
2012-10-10 18:13:10 Garbee: Have fun subscribing.
2012-10-10 18:13:27 Garbee: ^^sarcasm in case you missed it.
2012-10-10 18:15:44 fr0zenice: nothing special ^^
2012-10-10 18:16:22 lampe2: test
2012-10-10 18:16:32 fr0zenice: success!
2012-10-10 18:17:21 PatrickE: part
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2012-10-10 18:19:51 shepazu: hi, folks, any emergencies I need to deal with?
2012-10-10 18:20:05 mdel: all quiet for now
2012-10-10 18:20:21 shepazu: mdel: thanks :)
2012-10-10 18:20:43 mdel: im out of green tea :(
2012-10-10 18:21:33 Garbee: shepazu, None that I know of.  But *THANK YOU* for taking the webchat down. :D
2012-10-10 18:21:45 lampe2: my internet connection is messing with me....
2012-10-10 18:21:49 odinho: That helped a lot. Much nicer to read the channel now.
2012-10-10 18:23:11 Garbee: So, any thoughts on this:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmlYgFpNCZIY4EMbyIDvJZpjyYonMjWw-HeXgvN50TY/edit
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2012-10-10 18:23:49 Garbee: shepazu, You thoughts on the structure would be greatly appreciated ^^
2012-10-10 18:23:53 Garbee: your*
2012-10-10 18:24:49 _cheney: great idea
2012-10-10 18:25:16 _cheney: i'd love to read that "scripts" section to learn about breakpoints
2012-10-10 18:25:31 Garbee: You can now:  https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/scripts-breakpoints
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2012-10-10 18:26:00 _cheney: awesome, thank you
2012-10-10 18:26:30 _cheney: are you just going to mirror the content over?
2012-10-10 18:27:01 Garbee: Yea, I'm just going to basically import that with some self-taken screenshots and let that be the base to start with.
2012-10-10 18:27:12 Garbee: I don't want to copy their screenshots or other materials like that.
2012-10-10 18:27:30 Garbee: But, the text is fine to copy.
2012-10-10 18:27:54 _cheney: could start with brief summaries and a link to the chrome dev site
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2012-10-10 18:28:20 _cheney: just to get a skeleton of it going
2012-10-10 18:28:46 Garbee: Well, I'm planning a basic rush import.  So I'm going to wait about 3 or 4 days and try to get feedback on the structure, and then when I go to import I will do it as one big swath.
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2012-10-10 18:29:13 _cheney: that sounds much faster
2012-10-10 18:29:42 Garbee: Yea, I'm a quick importer.  I just want to see what others think of the structure and setup and give input if they think something is better.
2012-10-10 18:30:16 Garbee: That way I don't go setting it all up just to realize later I really messed up the structure somehow and need to go in and move things or do whatever.
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2012-10-10 18:30:36 _cheney: makes sense
2012-10-10 18:30:38 shepazu: Garbee: do we know we have permission to copy that article?
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2012-10-10 18:30:58 Garbee: shepazu, It is CC-BY-SA and Paul said we would be good to do it last night.
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2012-10-10 18:31:25 shepazu: Garbee: we are really trying hard to avoid importing CC-BY-SA content
2012-10-10 18:31:27 Garbee: I'm not copying images since that is Google material iirc.
2012-10-10 18:32:13 shepazu: if that's something that Google owns, then let's get formal approval from them to import it, so we don't have to use that license
2012-10-10 18:32:20 Garbee: Why are you trying not to import that type of content?
2012-10-10 18:32:36 shepazu: Garbee: it's no the type of content, it's the license
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2012-10-10 18:33:19 shepazu: CC-BY-SA is viral, it harms reusability, and it means we have to maintain more (and more confusing) license info
2012-10-10 18:33:27 Garbee: Alright, well I will talk with Paul later then and see if he could work on getting the permission needed.  If he can't, then we will just write it all ourselves.
2012-10-10 18:33:37 shepazu: thanks, Garbee
2012-10-10 18:33:49 shepazu: maybe file a bug, or note it on the public list
2012-10-10 18:34:00 Garbee: Np.  I'm all for reducing complexity.
2012-10-10 18:34:07 Garbee: Especially on license information.
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2012-10-10 18:35:26 Garbee: Oh, it isn't even SA it seems.  It is only CC-BY.  But I don't think dropping that really makes a difference.
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2012-10-10 18:35:56 shepazu: Garbee: no, that does make a difference
2012-10-10 18:36:02 shepazu: CC-BY is okay
2012-10-10 18:36:22 Garbee: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/   --There exact license.
2012-10-10 18:36:38 Garbee: Even the images actually, so if we really wanted to just use those we could.
2012-10-10 18:36:44 shepazu: Garbee: that is our license too…. I need to make that clearer
2012-10-10 18:36:48 Garbee: https://developers.google.com/readme/policies  --Full policy.
2012-10-10 18:37:16 Garbee: I think a link in the footer to the license of the site would suffice.  Almost everyone (including myself) looks there.
2012-10-10 18:37:19 shepazu: Garbee: disregard what I said then, but please do provide source attribution
2012-10-10 18:37:23 shepazu: yup
2012-10-10 18:37:49 Garbee: Yea, I would have put a link to attribute them since they did the initial work.  We will import and expand on their work.
2012-10-10 18:38:04 Garbee: But they do deserve credit for the work.
2012-10-10 18:38:35 NotTomato: What should I do about people posting job offers in the Q&A? Just reject?
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2012-10-10 18:38:55 Garbee: So now I just wait a few days for some feedback on the structure.  I will probably send out an email in the list to see if anyone there has any input and ask in here a time or two tomorrow to try and get fresh eyes on it.
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2012-10-10 18:39:21 Garbee: I would reject.  I don't think that is the place for that type of stuff.
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2012-10-10 18:39:32 NotTomato: Okay thanks Garbee~
2012-10-10 18:39:45 Garbee: There are plenty of places for people to post things about jobs.
2012-10-10 18:40:33 shepazu: agreed
2012-10-10 18:40:45 shepazu: we don't want to be an accidental job broker
2012-10-10 18:41:00 Garbee: and deal with the legal stuff that could come from it.
2012-10-10 18:41:05 NotTomato: Yeah true.
2012-10-10 18:41:28 NotTomato: I just like to double check with you guys to make sure I'm not doing anything too stupid.
2012-10-10 18:41:37 shepazu: NotTomato: appreciated
2012-10-10 18:42:55 lampe2: this is something i dont get about webgl on linux: http://s7.postimage.org/sstyw6vtn/Screenshot_from_2012_10_10_20_40_45.png
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2012-10-10 18:43:35 Garbee: lampe2, I think in Chrome it is a flag that needs to be set.
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2012-10-10 18:43:58 lampe2: i bot start with:  --enable-webgl --ignore-gpu-blacklist
2012-10-10 18:44:01 _cheney: works for me in ubuntu w/chromium
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2012-10-10 18:44:04 Garbee: It is supposed to be more stable, which I don't think WebGL is yet from what you guys were saying earlier as far as browser support.
2012-10-10 18:44:34 lampe2: +h
2012-10-10 18:44:41 Garbee: lampe2, Check chrome://flags/  and search for WebGL.
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2012-10-10 18:45:08 Garbee: Disable WebGL is in my chrome on Windows.  Turned off by default it seems.
2012-10-10 18:45:44 lampe2: oh
2012-10-10 18:45:56 lampe2: you are right
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2012-10-10 18:46:00 volkmar_eigler: hi there
2012-10-10 18:46:11 volkmar_eigler: did anyone see sz0ka today ?
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2012-10-10 18:46:31 lampe2: but why does --enable-webgl dont work ?
2012-10-10 18:46:33 Garbee: lampe, Chrome is meant to be more stable.  Chromium is more lenient on things.  and Canary is "F you, we are doing as we please." mode.
2012-10-10 18:46:47 Garbee: I can't say why that one doesn't work.  Perhaps a bug?
2012-10-10 18:46:51 plamoni: keep in mind there are potential security implications with webgl… bugs in drivers can lead to remote code execution volunerabilities…. though i'm pretty sure no one is actually exploiting this in the wild because it would own like 3 machines out of a million :-P
2012-10-10 18:47:12 plamoni: i think that's why chrome disables by default
2012-10-10 18:47:15 mdel: no canary on linux, chromium is the bloodiest edge we get
2012-10-10 18:47:28 lampe2: plamoni, i must write a short assay about web gl :)
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2012-10-10 18:47:35 Garbee: I still don't get why there is no Canary on Linux.
2012-10-10 18:47:42 mdel: me either
2012-10-10 18:48:00 mdel: last i read it was something like "we dont feel like building it"
2012-10-10 18:48:09 plamoni: ask paul_irish?
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2012-10-10 18:48:42 lampe2: if you look at the versions chromium for ubuntu 12.10 is 20 and chrome is 22
2012-10-10 18:48:47 Garbee: I think it is just time.  Building a new Canary build for Linux would take quite a bit more effort than for Mac and Windows.
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2012-10-10 18:49:28 Garbee: lampe2, Chromium comes from Canonicals servers unless you add a PPA for faster updates.  Chrome is from Google's repo's so ofc it is more up-to-date.
2012-10-10 18:49:41 lampe2: i know Garbee
2012-10-10 18:50:40 plamoni: also, lampe2, all the cool kids use macs...
2012-10-10 18:50:55 mdel: but but... my mac runs linux...
2012-10-10 18:51:00 lampe2: plamoni, i know :D
2012-10-10 18:51:29 lampe2: elementary os luna is the best os for me right now its a mix of ubuntu windows and osx
2012-10-10 18:51:39 lampe2: still in version 0.2 but i love it
2012-10-10 18:52:02 lampe2: and i cant find a uptodate ppa for chromium ...
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2012-10-10 18:52:30 Garbee: mdel, No they don't.
2012-10-10 18:52:47 Garbee: They run on BSD (DarwinBSD iirc to be exact.)  Which runs on Unix.
2012-10-10 18:53:08 Garbee: Oh, nvm.  I read your sentence wrong.
2012-10-10 18:53:22 plamoni: lampe2: watching a video on elementry os luna… looks pretty
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2012-10-10 18:54:00 Garbee: btw, Does anyone want SublimeTextOS ?  If Google can make a browser and OS why can't my text editor be one?
2012-10-10 18:54:01 lampe2: plamoni, yeah but look for a newer video they really got things done in the last month
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2012-10-10 18:54:19 lampe2: sublimetext is from google_
2012-10-10 18:54:20 lampe2: ?
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2012-10-10 18:54:34 Garbee: No, but the premise still remains.
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2012-10-10 18:54:56 plamoni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AjDkDl5Pos ?
2012-10-10 18:55:36 lampe2: plamoni, he has installed a black theme
2012-10-10 18:57:07 lampe2: http://elementaryos.org/journal/meet-gala-window-manager plamoni
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2012-10-10 18:58:59 Ryan_Lane: posted about how we built things: http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/building-web-platforms-infrastructure/
2012-10-10 18:59:12 Ryan_Lane: for those interested in the infrastructure side of things
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2012-10-10 19:00:07 PatrickE: Never seen elementary before, downloading it now
2012-10-10 19:00:11 PatrickE: looks great
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2012-10-10 19:01:46 lampe2: but keep in mind elementery luna is in development right now! and elementery Jupiter is out of date !
2012-10-10 19:02:02 lampe2: PatrickE, what version are you downloading?
2012-10-10 19:02:20 mstalfoort: looking into it atm Ryan_Lane
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2012-10-10 19:04:58 PatrickE: Im only gonna run it in VMWare, which one do you think I should download? Luna or Jupiter?
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2012-10-10 19:05:23 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, How is Piwik holding up?
2012-10-10 19:05:39 Ryan_Lane: Garbee: seems to be going fine so far
2012-10-10 19:05:49 Ryan_Lane: it's slow in updating its stats, i'll say
2012-10-10 19:06:00 Garbee: I learned on a shared web host it breaks down after so much traffic.  It really needs some dedicated resources.
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2012-10-10 19:06:14 Ryan_Lane: well, it's running on 5 application servers, load balanced
2012-10-10 19:06:28 Ryan_Lane: and we cache the javascript
2012-10-10 19:06:36 Garbee: Wow, 300 requests a second.
2012-10-10 19:06:49 lampe2: at the mac users her can you prof that font rendernig thing her: http://arunoda.me/blog/font-rendering-mac-vs-ubunut.html ???
2012-10-10 19:06:52 Ryan_Lane: 300-350 at peak
2012-10-10 19:07:04 Ryan_Lane: load currently is much less
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2012-10-10 19:07:17 Garbee: Well yea, it isn't exactly new now. ;)
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2012-10-10 19:07:35 Ryan_Lane: we're currently overprovisioned with 5 app servers: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?m=load_one&r=hour&s=descending&c=app&h=&sh=1&hc=4&z=small
2012-10-10 19:07:47 Ryan_Lane: you can see the peaks here: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?m=load_one&r=week&s=descending&c=app&h=&sh=1&hc=4&z=small
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2012-10-10 19:08:19 Garbee: Did they provide extra resources for the launch?
2012-10-10 19:08:29 Ryan_Lane: we're using cloud services
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2012-10-10 19:08:39 Ryan_Lane: so, we added extra instances for launch
2012-10-10 19:08:49 Ryan_Lane: we'll likely kill 2-3 off soon
2012-10-10 19:09:15 ctoveloz[BR]: Elementary OS Luna is best for web developers?
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2012-10-10 19:09:28 Garbee: Ok, I see 1 bots server.  Could you please elaborate on what this one does a bit?
2012-10-10 19:09:54 Garbee: I don't see that one mentioned further down.
2012-10-10 19:10:23 Ryan_Lane: it runs the irc bot that logs the channel
2012-10-10 19:10:26 lampe2: ctoveloz[BR], there is nothing like the best os
2012-10-10 19:10:31 Ryan_Lane: I don't like irc bots from a security POV
2012-10-10 19:10:40 Ryan_Lane: so I split it away from everything else
2012-10-10 19:10:41 Garbee: Oh, is that really all it does?
2012-10-10 19:10:45 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-10 19:10:50 Ryan_Lane: we'll run other bots there too
2012-10-10 19:10:57 Ryan_Lane: that's it for now, though
2012-10-10 19:11:01 shepazu: Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-10 19:11:29 Garbee: I'm looking into setting up a bot for the chatroom that will give us quick-links.  Like we give a command and it spits out a meta phrase or something.
2012-10-10 19:11:53 Garbee: I'm looking into one called supy that another chatroom I hang out in used for a while.  It had some cool additional features.
2012-10-10 19:12:04 shepazu: Garbee: there's a WikiMedia guy that had the same idea
2012-10-10 19:12:08 ctoveloz[BR]: currently use windows at home, at work mac
2012-10-10 19:12:25 Garbee: http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/
2012-10-10 19:12:37 Ryan_Lane: yeah, we have one in #wikimedia-labs
2012-10-10 19:12:39 shepazu: Garbee: I'm all for improving the bot capabilities, like leaving messages, keeping karma, etc
2012-10-10 19:12:46 Ryan_Lane: it's nice for answering frequent questions
2012-10-10 19:12:58 Garbee: Ryan, or for giving common links real fast.
2012-10-10 19:13:04 shepazu: Garbee: maybe you can patch wp-logger?
2012-10-10 19:13:07 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-10 19:13:10 lampe2: ctoveloz[BR], i think for web development the os is not so important. sublime text 2 is a good edtior you can install it on every platform
2012-10-10 19:13:19 mdel: there are a ton of bots that do that, but the wikimedia one works well
2012-10-10 19:13:36 Ryan_Lane: we also need to spit deployment logs into the #webplatform-dev channel
2012-10-10 19:13:38 shepazu: I  would like to avoid bot-escalation
2012-10-10 19:13:55 mdel: deployment logs?
2012-10-10 19:14:05 Ryan_Lane: mdel: when we deploy code to the site
2012-10-10 19:14:10 shepazu: too many bot spoils the soup… I'd like a single bot that does different things
2012-10-10 19:14:18 ctoveloz[BR]: lampe2, i already use the sublimetext
2012-10-10 19:14:24 mdel: Ryan_Lane: got ya
2012-10-10 19:14:25 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: that's difficult :)
2012-10-10 19:14:25 andrewjbaker: "To chat about Web Platform, visit the Freenode.net #webplatform channel using your IRC client." ?
2012-10-10 19:14:26 lampe2: :)
2012-10-10 19:14:46 andrewjbaker: Try and steer people towards on-topic discussion.
2012-10-10 19:15:00 ctoveloz[BR]: but I wanted something like the MAC
2012-10-10 19:15:15 Garbee: shepazu, is wp-logger the bot you guys are using now?
2012-10-10 19:15:22 shepazu: yeah
2012-10-10 19:15:42 Garbee: If someone doesn't mind sharing the code with me I can look into it.  Be warned I have poor actual programming skills.
2012-10-10 19:16:08 shepazu: Garbee: it's LumberJack… see the blog
2012-10-10 19:16:29 shepazu: geez, is this day 3 already?
2012-10-10 19:16:33 Garbee: I will get to it in a bit then.  Sitting at frontend cache now.
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2012-10-10 19:19:13 andrewjbaker: "Here are a few IRC clients for different platforms:" -> "Here are a few IRC clients for different operating systems:" The word platform is already being used extensively elsewhere.
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2012-10-10 19:22:46 Garbee: andrewjbaker, But we could add one that runs on Adobe Air, or the Windows RT environment.  Those aren't exactly OSes.
2012-10-10 19:23:15 Garbee: Or sadly a java-based IRC client could be added.  So platform covers all possible expansion.
2012-10-10 19:23:18 lo_: pretty soon, you'll boot up your computer and it'll just be iTunes
2012-10-10 19:23:30 Garbee: lo_, I would accept death at that ponit.
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2012-10-10 19:23:33 Garbee: point*
2012-10-10 19:23:38 lo_: garbee: yep :)
2012-10-10 19:23:50 EHLOVader: please tell me you have an IRC client for my nintendo...
2012-10-10 19:24:08 EHLOVader: like the google maps I use... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg
2012-10-10 19:24:09 Garbee: EHLO, Which one?
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2012-10-10 19:24:30 lo_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/259256485/
2012-10-10 19:24:34 lo_: irssi on nintendo ds
2012-10-10 19:24:50 andrewjbaker: Garbee: You make a good point; I'd still like to see an alternative word to platforms there tho', if possible.
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2012-10-10 19:28:06 mdel: "Here are a few IRC clients"
2012-10-10 19:28:10 mdel: problem solved :)
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2012-10-10 19:31:11 Remataklan: hello, does anyone how can I edit the table in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties ?
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2012-10-10 19:31:32 lars__: i wanted to ask of which is the best way to do sql queries and data with html5
2012-10-10 19:31:38 lars__: Php or javascript
2012-10-10 19:31:42 lars__: or dart
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2012-10-10 19:32:37 fr0zenice: Remataklan that table is generated from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:CSS_Properties
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2012-10-10 19:33:17 NotTomato: Remataklan I am PMing you. o;
2012-10-10 19:33:32 lars__: i wanted to ask of which is the best way to do sql queries and data with html5, Php or javascript or dart
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2012-10-10 19:33:55 Neto: where do you wanna do the query's?
2012-10-10 19:33:58 EHLOVader: ah so that table is not going to follow the style guide and table info here?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style/Tables
2012-10-10 19:34:02 Neto: server side or client side
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2012-10-10 19:36:13 lars__: server side
2012-10-10 19:36:18 Neto: if you wanna access a database like MySQL, sqlite you must use PHP or a server who can use something like node.js to use javascript
2012-10-10 19:36:42 lars__: which do you recommend
2012-10-10 19:36:57 lars__: i want to make a modern webshop
2012-10-10 19:37:04 Neto: if you wanna access the session storage or local storage in the browser then javascript ...
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2012-10-10 19:38:10 Neto: depends of the server provider you gonna use, if they can provide you php or node.js
2012-10-10 19:38:56 _WiZZarD: shepazu: still lurking around?
2012-10-10 19:38:58 Neto: or if you gonna use your own server then you decide on your team skills ...
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2012-10-10 19:41:11 fr0zenice: EHLOVader the docs yes, check http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/building-web-platforms-infrastructure/
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2012-10-10 19:41:31 EHLOVader: ah from the blog... gotcha
2012-10-10 19:41:45 EHLOVader: didn't think to look there, will read up
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2012-10-10 19:44:24 lars__: thanks
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2012-10-10 19:44:59 lars__: i think php is safer for mysql
2012-10-10 19:46:19 andrewjbaker: I personally wouldn't consider creating a modern webshop from scratch.
2012-10-10 19:46:25 fr0zenice: http://php.net/manual/en/mysqli.real-escape-string.php is your friend, or better yet http://php.net/manual/en/mysqli.prepare.php
2012-10-10 19:47:33 lowlevel: theres a lot of them just pooping out wordpress sites for big cash
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2012-10-10 19:59:33 gigwattzz: Should we add XHR, Long-Polling, Iframing etc to "Other concepts" within the Javascript section?
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2012-10-10 20:06:14 gigwattzz: Also, why is most of the JavaScript pages listed as concepts, there not concepts?
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2012-10-10 20:12:11 gigwattzz: divya, paul_irish, ppk_, Ryan_Lane, shepazu, tobie : Please fix the Google+ link as it points to the Google+ internal sandbox, see: http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/google/
2012-10-10 20:12:58 shepazu: gigwattzz: will do
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2012-10-10 21:35:40 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, I'm looking at SupyBot ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/ ) which I have seen in use and another dev I know recommended.  I think if I can just get the logs accessible from the web then it would be better to use this than try to addon to Lumberjack.
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2012-10-10 21:39:18 Ryan_Lane: Garbee: making them accessible from the web isn't hard
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2012-10-10 21:39:32 Ryan_Lane: the bot server can have a web server, if necessary
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2012-10-10 21:39:39 Ryan_Lane: or we can share the logs off to the application servers
2012-10-10 21:40:11 Garbee: Ryan, Yea my thing is figuring out how to build the page to read/display the logs that is all.  First I need to figure out how the logs are formatted.
2012-10-10 21:40:19 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-10 21:40:26 Garbee: I'm getting a little traffic together from another room to do testing with.
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2012-10-10 21:41:03 Garbee: I kinda don't like the current logs anyways because it doesn't seem very easy to get old logs.
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2012-10-10 21:41:18 Garbee: Unless I am missing some functionality besides search.
2012-10-10 21:41:30 Ryan_Lane: no. the current logs aren't great
2012-10-10 21:41:35 Ryan_Lane: it's put into a database
2012-10-10 21:41:42 Ryan_Lane: and the view of the database isn't wonderful
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2012-10-10 21:42:38 Garbee: Well I'm actually RTFMing for once before I hit a wall.  Another thing I like about Supybot is some of the additional modules for it.  They can do some fun stuff.
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2012-10-10 21:44:18 sethetter: What IRC client do you guys use? I'm on Mac and currently using freenode's webchat.
2012-10-10 21:44:31 Garbee: I use Xchat.
2012-10-10 21:44:43 Garbee: LimeChat is great though for Mac.  It is basically a web page so is super easy to style.
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2012-10-10 21:45:09 sethetter: Garbee: Awesome, I'll check out LimeChat. Thanks :)
2012-10-10 21:45:11 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/  --Has a nice list plus a link to Wikipedia for even more.
2012-10-10 21:45:26 RobertPItt: Is it just me or is the webplatform site slugish :/
2012-10-10 21:45:38 RobertPItt: Seems like it could do with some optimizations
2012-10-10 21:45:59 Ryan_Lane: RobertPItt: what's specifically sluggish?
2012-10-10 21:46:09 RobertPItt: Load Time
2012-10-10 21:46:16 Ryan_Lane: some pages aren't being cached in the frontend cache
2012-10-10 21:46:23 Ryan_Lane: due to a special page inclution
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2012-10-10 21:46:32 Ryan_Lane: RobertPItt: right right, but can you give me specific pages?
2012-10-10 21:46:36 Ryan_Lane: are *all* pages slow?
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2012-10-10 21:47:20 RobertPItt: all, for example, homepage takes around 2s to respond, seems like the DB+PHP may be whats slowing things down.
2012-10-10 21:47:35 Ryan_Lane: RobertPItt: oh. are you logged in?
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2012-10-10 21:47:51 RobertPItt: yes
2012-10-10 21:47:57 Ryan_Lane: that's mediawiki for you
2012-10-10 21:48:07 Ryan_Lane: if you are logged in you bypass frontend cache
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2012-10-10 21:49:08 Ryan_Lane: nginx wouldn't help much
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2012-10-10 21:49:16 RobertPItt: Whats the bottleneck
2012-10-10 21:49:17 Ryan_Lane: sphinx would only help search
2012-10-10 21:49:18 RobertPItt: DB?
2012-10-10 21:49:20 Ryan_Lane: no
2012-10-10 21:49:21 Ryan_Lane: php
2012-10-10 21:49:33 NotTomato: Wow, today I decided to look at this: http://www.webplatform.org/logo/ and I love this page so much, I didn't realize that it had the entire color palatte on it. Thanks whoever made this.
2012-10-10 21:49:34 Ryan_Lane: the skin needs to render every time
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2012-10-10 21:49:46 NotTomato: Also hi guys.
2012-10-10 21:49:50 Ryan_Lane: it's the same situation
2012-10-10 21:50:00 RobertPItt: Ryan_Lane, I see what your saying
2012-10-10 21:50:15 RobertPItt: were engineers right, we should be able to solve this..
2012-10-10 21:50:26 RobertPItt: who fancies building a clone of media wiki in C?
2012-10-10 21:50:39 RobertPItt: lol
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2012-10-10 21:50:52 RobertPItt: but it is a nasty wait time
2012-10-10 21:51:00 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-10 21:51:07 Ryan_Lane: well, hphp would help
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2012-10-10 21:51:40 Ryan_Lane: we really need hphp-vm, though
2012-10-10 21:51:45 Ryan_Lane: and that's not ready to use
2012-10-10 21:51:49 Ryan_Lane: we use APC, which helps some
2012-10-10 21:51:54 Ryan_Lane: and we're using memcache, which helps a lot
2012-10-10 21:51:57 NotTomato: Are we talking about the how slow SMW is responding right now? I was helping someone with a page earlier and we were both confused what was taking so long for the API to update the pages.
2012-10-10 21:52:10 Ryan_Lane: SMW makes things dramatically slower, too, yes
2012-10-10 21:52:33 Ryan_Lane: hm. maybe it'll help if I increase the number of apache processes allowed to run
2012-10-10 21:52:42 Ryan_Lane: we're fine on memory, that wouldn't hurt
2012-10-10 21:53:02 fr0zenice: what worker are you using?
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2012-10-10 21:54:41 Ryan_Lane: likely not much
2012-10-10 21:54:49 Ryan_Lane: nginx may offer a slight improvement
2012-10-10 21:54:56 Ryan_Lane: but not a huge one
2012-10-10 21:55:09 Ryan_Lane: let me increase process count
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2012-10-10 21:55:54 RobertPItt: Nginx + PHP-FPM + APC, you already use APC right
2012-10-10 21:55:58 Ryan_Lane: fr0zenice: we're using preform
2012-10-10 21:56:02 Ryan_Lane: *prefork
2012-10-10 21:56:10 Ryan_Lane: already using apc
2012-10-10 21:59:01 shepazu: NotTomato: I made that page, using some sources we had from the logo designers and a little SVG app I built
2012-10-10 22:00:07 RobertPItt: Ryan_Lane, what alternatives are there to APC?
2012-10-10 22:00:17 Ryan_Lane: RobertPItt: a bunch
2012-10-10 22:00:23 RobertPItt: any that can compete
2012-10-10 22:00:31 Ryan_Lane: the zend one likely
2012-10-10 22:00:35 Ryan_Lane: but it's proprietary
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2012-10-10 22:04:05 RobertPItt: what changes were they
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2012-10-10 22:06:44 RobertPItt: yea, seems to be faster but still v. noticable
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2012-10-10 22:08:05 RobertPItt: I jsut had a 3.5s load time to send back a 304 :/
2012-10-10 22:08:05 NotTomato: Awesome shepazu.
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2012-10-10 22:13:56 RobertPItt: Ryan_Lane, Just read your infrastructure article, good read and good setup there.
2012-10-10 22:13:57 RobertPItt: http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/building-web-platforms-infrastructure/#more-13
2012-10-10 22:14:28 Ryan_Lane: thanks :)
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2012-10-10 22:16:31 shepazu: Ryan_Lane won't admit it, but I think he's had a fun time working on this project :)
2012-10-10 22:16:41 Ryan_Lane: oh. I totally have
2012-10-10 22:16:54 Ryan_Lane: it's ruined my social life, but I totally have had a good time :D
2012-10-10 22:17:00 shepazu: :D
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2012-10-10 22:18:51 RobertPItt: Ryan_Lane, Thanks for the time bro, We cant always allow corp to run the world so thanks for helping out with the project and allowing all of us to help influence the web
2012-10-10 22:18:54 RobertPItt: great stuff.
2012-10-10 22:19:03 RobertPItt: P.s, are you Google or ....
2012-10-10 22:19:07 Ryan_Lane: totally welcome.
2012-10-10 22:19:10 Ryan_Lane: Wikimedia Foundation
2012-10-10 22:19:20 RobertPItt: Ahh great stuff.
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2012-10-10 22:20:53 DeviaVir: Any hot issues going on with webplatform a system engineer/frontend dev can lend a hand with atm? Love what you guys are doing and would like to extend a hand, or two :-)
2012-10-10 22:20:55 RobertPItt: So who is who out of the admins, I know paul_irish is google and you are Wikimedia
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2012-10-10 22:22:24 Ryan_Lane: RobertPItt: not sure, actually :)
2012-10-10 22:22:44 Ryan_Lane: I'd have to look through my emails. we didn't really put much emphasis on who came from who within the team
2012-10-10 22:22:49 Garbee: iirc shepazu is W3.
2012-10-10 22:22:52 RobertPItt: shepazu, I think is W3
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2012-10-10 22:23:07 tsinghtao: the infrastructure article is a good read. nice job Ryan_Lane
2012-10-10 22:23:16 Ryan_Lane: tsinghtao: thanks
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2012-10-10 22:24:08 RobertPItt: divya, i think currently works at Adobe
2012-10-10 22:24:10 shepazu: yes, I am from W3C. I put this project together
2012-10-10 22:24:10 tsinghtao: i appreciate the thoughts, internal dialog of sorts, as to what the goals are and how you solved for them. cache/deployment etc.
2012-10-10 22:24:21 RobertPItt: ahh great shepazu
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2012-10-10 22:25:53 Garbee: btw shepazu I think it should be safe to drop the ban on the web client now.
2012-10-10 22:25:53 shepazu: not sure yet, but we might be looking for a sysop to help with the project, so if you know of anyone good (even if they aren't as good as Ryan_Lane) let me know :)
2012-10-10 22:26:21 shepazu: Garbee: let's wait until we have some safeguards in place
2012-10-10 22:26:30 Garbee nods.
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2012-10-10 22:26:40 shepazu: at least a captcha, maybe a system login
2012-10-10 22:27:01 Garbee: Oh, syslogin would be good.
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2012-10-10 22:27:21 Garbee: But... Perhaps some might want to chat w/o an account on the site.
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2012-10-10 22:28:04 shepazu: Garbee: yeah...
2012-10-10 22:28:10 Garbee: I wonder if you could set it up so if a user is logged in there is no captcha, but if it is an anonymous user there is a captcha.
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2012-10-10 22:28:24 NotTomato: You can for mediawiki.
2012-10-10 22:28:33 shepazu: Garbee: complicated to set up, but a good solution
2012-10-10 22:28:34 Garbee: A bit more complicated, but then you don't annoy the actual humans.
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2012-10-10 22:28:43 shepazu: hi, timbl
2012-10-10 22:29:46 NotTomato: Hey shepazu, are we looking for more volunteer wiki admins?
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2012-10-10 22:31:33 shepazu: NotTomato: yeah, we need to think of a set of criteria there, but yes
2012-10-10 22:31:57 Garbee: I think what we could do is a check to the cookie.  It should be possible to say if the cookie exists or whatever then you display the webchat with X config, else use Y config.  I am no cookie checking expert though but I think that would be the most complicated part of that setup if JS is anything like PHP.
2012-10-10 22:32:27 shepazu: Garbee: the SSO has actually been a real challenge
2012-10-10 22:32:31 NotTomato: Okay, well Frozenice wanted to help out and he's been making some pretty awesome edits, but if you want to come up with criteria first, that makes sense. Refreshing the comments getting stuck in the filter every 10 minutes or so could use some more watching though. >:
2012-10-10 22:32:53 Garbee: shepazu, I have noticed.
2012-10-10 22:33:05 Garbee: I have basically given up going to the Forum due to it.
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2012-10-10 22:33:20 Garbee: I need to login for like every question I want to answer most of the time, or reply.
2012-10-10 22:33:28 NotTomato: Yeah that too.
2012-10-10 22:33:36 shepazu: Garbee: sorry about that :(
2012-10-10 22:33:43 NotTomato: I got logged out over and over on top of needing to check the filter a lot.
2012-10-10 22:34:06 Garbee: shepazu, It is alpha I get there are going to be issues.  For me though I'd rather just keep an eye on things and not answer atm and wait for things to get worked out.
2012-10-10 22:34:08 shepazu: NotTomato: if you recommend Frozenice, have him come chat with me
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2012-10-10 22:34:13 Garbee: I can help more here vs there anyways tbh.
2012-10-10 22:34:28 NotTomato: Okay, he just went to bed but he said he would try talking to you tomorrow, thanks shepazu.
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2012-10-10 22:34:34 Garbee: Still trying to work out this dev tools stuff.  That is my primary focus right now.
2012-10-10 22:34:40 shepazu: ok, cool
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2012-10-10 22:36:15 Garbee: I get the site is Alpha, so I will deal with all the bugs and things now just hoping in like 6-8 months the backend is mostly solid and it is just feature additions at that point.
2012-10-10 22:36:42 Garbee: Even though with this system it looks like it could take a little longer to get things completely stable.  The amount of customization I am seeing is sick.
2012-10-10 22:36:53 Garbee: ^^sick being awesome.
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2012-10-10 22:47:54 RobertPItt: shepazu, who is in charge of social
2012-10-10 22:48:04 shepazu: RobertPItt: you are, now!
2012-10-10 22:48:17 RobertPItt: :/
2012-10-10 22:48:20 shepazu: you should never have spoken up
2012-10-10 22:48:25 RobertPItt: hehe
2012-10-10 22:48:28 RobertPItt: nooooo
2012-10-10 22:48:45 Garbee: Important lesson people... Don't ask questions unless you want to be put in charge of something.
2012-10-10 22:48:46 tsinghtao: hahhaa   points and laughs
2012-10-10 22:49:00 tsinghtao: wait.. sits back down quietly
2012-10-10 22:49:19 shepazu: RobertPItt: I don't think we have anyone "in charge", but if there is someone to blame, it's me
2012-10-10 22:49:20 RobertPItt: lol, I just wanted to know if "they"/"us" can make a Gogole+ page.
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2012-10-10 22:49:25 RobertPItt: I can do this if need be
2012-10-10 22:49:36 shepazu: RobertPItt: I think the Google folks mentioned that
2012-10-10 22:49:43 shepazu: RobertPItt: are you with Google?
2012-10-10 22:50:10 RobertPItt: I am contracted out to do development work on some aspects of hangouts but not an official employee
2012-10-10 22:51:09 shepazu: RobertPItt: could you please coordinate with Alex Komoroske and Peter Lubbers on that? (maybe Scott Rowe and Paul Irish, too… not sure)
2012-10-10 22:51:28 shepazu: you need contact info, or do you know them?
2012-10-10 22:52:12 RobertPItt: emails would be useful, I have paul_irish's though
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2012-10-10 22:54:41 lampe2: my brian is to stupid for jquery mobile...
2012-10-10 22:55:24 Nick_Zaccardi: Garbee: Who do you work for?
2012-10-10 22:55:45 Garbee: I have no job.
2012-10-10 22:56:04 Nick_Zaccardi: Garbee: Jealous
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2012-10-10 22:56:21 Garbee: Nick_Zaccardi, Don't be.  I'm 20 and still live with my parents. :/
2012-10-10 22:56:56 Nick_Zaccardi: Garbee: Plans?
2012-10-10 22:56:58 Garbee: and can't find an actual job in my area.  Every company here has "I.T." people already and aren't really looking for any new people atm.
2012-10-10 22:57:10 lampe2: o0
2012-10-10 22:57:30 tsinghtao: I ended having to move for a job.. not ideal but it happens
2012-10-10 22:57:32 lampe2: Garbee, in my city i could work 24/7 and still do more
2012-10-10 22:57:39 Nick_Zaccardi: lampe2: Me too
2012-10-10 22:57:49 Garbee: Right now, no true plan.
2012-10-10 22:58:03 Nick_Zaccardi: Midwest has all the job openings in the world if you don't mind living in the middle of no where
2012-10-10 22:58:13 Garbee: I have actually had job offers for doing some work with LemonStand stores, but I turned it down since I don't want to do remote work like that.
2012-10-10 22:58:15 andrewjbaker: Garbee: I was 26 when I moved out. Don't rush it, mate.
2012-10-10 22:58:17 lampe2: Nick_Zaccardi, germany her
2012-10-10 22:58:20 Garbee: Especially since my PHP skills aren't that great.
2012-10-10 22:58:30 tsinghtao: I was like someone has to be willing to do work from home or something. but not that lucky. in my case
2012-10-10 22:58:35 Garbee: Southern Virginia, USA here.
2012-10-10 22:58:51 Garbee: Yes, I need to say Southern because if I were in North VA then I'd probably have a job.
2012-10-10 22:59:05 Nick_Zaccardi: lampe2: Germany huh... I took german at Uni.
2012-10-10 22:59:10 Nick_Zaccardi: 2 semester
2012-10-10 22:59:11 Nick_Zaccardi: s
2012-10-10 22:59:12 lampe2: isent PHP dead ? :P
2012-10-10 22:59:17 lampe2: which city ?
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2012-10-10 22:59:26 lampe2: Nick_Zaccardi, which city ?
2012-10-10 22:59:42 Nick_Zaccardi: lampe2: Never been there, just took a few classes
2012-10-10 22:59:55 Nick_Zaccardi: I was in the Czech this summer and came really close though!
2012-10-10 22:59:55 lampe2: lol ? Nick_Zaccardi
2012-10-10 23:00:19 Nick_Zaccardi: As in, I took German classes at my University in America
2012-10-10 23:00:28 lampe2: how did you take classes without being there ?
2012-10-10 23:00:39 lampe2: ahhh okay i understand now :D
2012-10-10 23:00:42 Nick_Zaccardi: :)
2012-10-10 23:01:01 lampe2: i learnd english by watching doctor who :D
2012-10-10 23:01:06 Nick_Zaccardi: hahahaha!
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2012-10-10 23:01:15 Nick_Zaccardi: Dinner calls. Talk to you all later
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2012-10-10 23:01:42 lampe2: okay and i must work on my jquery mobile skills ...
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2012-10-10 23:03:38 tsinghtao: i started watching dr who.. im not sure i learned anything.. hehe
2012-10-10 23:03:44 RobertPItt: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ Q&A should be forums as well
2012-10-10 23:03:52 Garbee: tsinghtao, It takes time to learn.
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2012-10-10 23:04:51 Garbee: RobertPItt, I think they may be switching the menu's over to Q&A due to some people complaining that it isn't a true "forum" by the way they think of one.
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2012-10-10 23:05:20 tsinghtao: i would agree with garbee
2012-10-10 23:05:33 Garbee: I call BS on that myself.
2012-10-10 23:06:39 Garbee: I think the Q&A method of a Forum is perfect.  You ask a question and get your response and people can vote on the response (as most forums allow now.)  It also helps keep things clean.  No real need to call it Q&A when it is a Forum just because someone is thinking like it is 1987 and they want a BBS.
2012-10-10 23:06:58 Garbee: Then again, it really is just semantics at this point.
2012-10-10 23:07:33 RobertPItt: I am all for Q&A :)
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2012-10-10 23:08:38 RobertPItt: But there are only Questions and Answers in Q&A, not really Discussion and/or debates. thus Q&A would suffice IMO
2012-10-10 23:08:56 Garbee: You can have discussions.
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2012-10-10 23:09:28 RobertPItt: By naming it Q&A will not encourage discussions though, just answers and votes.
2012-10-10 23:09:38 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1334/suggestions-for-new-features  --See my answer here.
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2012-10-10 23:11:23 RobertPItt: Is this Q&A running on the SE Platform
2012-10-10 23:11:28 RobertPItt: StackExchange ?
2012-10-10 23:12:10 shepazu: no
2012-10-10 23:12:18 Garbee: Yea, looks custom from the source.
2012-10-10 23:12:19 RobertPItt: Seems like the UI/UX has been ported for the general SE Platform sites
2012-10-10 23:12:23 eternicode: RobertPItt, no, http://www.question2answer.org/
2012-10-10 23:12:27 shepazu: Question2Answer
2012-10-10 23:13:11 Garbee: That would explain SSO issues.  Trying to get Mediawiki and this to use the same system.
2012-10-10 23:14:12 RobertPItt: yea, SE Intergration would be nice, maybe email Joel S and ask him if it's possible?
2012-10-10 23:14:33 shepazu: RobertPItt: it's not open source
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2012-10-10 23:14:44 RobertPItt: Ahh thatts right
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2012-10-11 00:24:17 Garbee: NotTomato, You around?
2012-10-11 00:25:06 NotTomato: Hi Garbee.
2012-10-11 00:25:30 Garbee: Do you mind taking care of the troll post on here real quick?  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1628/logout-does-not-keep-me-logged-out   --Second answer the comment to that.
2012-10-11 00:26:22 NotTomato: Eternicode's comment?
2012-10-11 00:26:27 Garbee: Yea.
2012-10-11 00:26:36 Garbee: It is completely pointless and unhelpful in any way.
2012-10-11 00:26:46 Garbee: ntm wtf is this?  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1080/is-there-no-way-to-deal-with-spam-here
2012-10-11 00:26:48 say2joe: part
2012-10-11 00:26:58 Garbee: lolz, a good read though.
2012-10-11 00:27:06 NotTomato: I think it was just someone trying to prove a point that spam can get past the filter, but the problem was fixed.
2012-10-11 00:27:08 eternicode: ...
2012-10-11 00:27:11 NotTomato: He didn't link to any bad sites so I just left it.
2012-10-11 00:27:18 NotTomato: He was just linking off to wikipedia.
2012-10-11 00:27:41 NotTomato: I realize it wasn't a question, but i thought it was basically a "suggestion" to fix the spam filter, lol.
2012-10-11 00:27:59 eternicode: yeah, that spam post was amusing.  Popular, too :D
2012-10-11 00:28:08 Garbee: Yea, just wondering what its point was.
2012-10-11 00:28:21 eternicode: its point was the sad lack of spam filter.
2012-10-11 00:28:25 Garbee: As long as it was proving a point I see it just caught me off guard.
2012-10-11 00:28:27 NotTomato: I can hide it if you want though because the filter was fixed and the post is sort of useless now.
2012-10-11 00:28:43 Garbee: Yea, I'd hide it just to keep things clean.
2012-10-11 00:29:05 Garbee: It is good that things get pointed out, but they should be hidden once things are fixed for cleanliness.
2012-10-11 00:29:48 NotTomato: Okay, no problem. :3
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2012-10-11 00:30:42 Garbee: Wow, I would really like to know peoples rational behind their choice to up or down vote something.
2012-10-11 00:30:55 Garbee: A perfectly valid question gets -5 votes.
2012-10-11 00:31:12 NotTomato: I know the feeling, I usually try to clear bad flags when people try to flag something just because "they don't share the same opinion."
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2012-10-11 00:31:40 Garbee: Yea, that is just a bad use of the flag.
2012-10-11 00:31:49 Garbee: I hope none of my flags were improper.
2012-10-11 00:32:01 NotTomato: There isn't really any rules yet though so people just do whatever, I was hoping downvotes would only be used to downvote spam, and not used to downvote something they don't agree with.
2012-10-11 00:32:31 Garbee: I see downvoting if you don't agree or think there is a better solution.  But when you downvote you should comment and say why.
2012-10-11 00:32:32 NotTomato: Or maybe downvote incorrect "a priori" rational answers so to say.
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2012-10-11 00:33:05 NotTomato: But downvoting opinions is kind of silly, and that happens a lot.
2012-10-11 00:33:12 Garbee: Here is what I am referring to btw:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1631/english-first-which-right-order-become-successful-developer
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2012-10-11 00:33:30 Garbee: Obvioulsy English is not this persons native language.  At least they are trying to use it.
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2012-10-11 00:33:56 NotTomato: Yeah, he posted his question earlier in spanish and i asked him to repost it in english, then the poor guy got downvoted just because his english wasn't that great.
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2012-10-11 00:34:01 NotTomato: It kinda sucks. :
2012-10-11 00:34:02 NotTomato: :/
2012-10-11 00:34:09 eternicode: are there plans to allow commenting on questions?
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2012-10-11 00:34:31 Garbee: Yea.  At lesat Irishb gave a proper answer.
2012-10-11 00:35:09 NotTomato: eternicode, that would be something to ask shepazu, or maybe report as an enhancement with the bug filing so a developer can consider adding it.
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2012-10-11 00:41:43 NotTomato: Also Garbee, I can't see who flags what, haha, but I'm sure you haven't done anything wrong.
2012-10-11 00:42:01 Garbee: NotTomato, Yea I'm sure.  All of mine are pretty obvious.
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2012-10-11 00:45:06 Garbee: Although, I am flagging this since I think it should be removed:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1575/sublime-text   --We should not become a support channel for software.
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2012-10-11 00:46:53 NotTomato: Yeah true, thanks for pointing that out Garbee~
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2012-10-11 00:48:52 Garbee: I have some ideas to help smooth out what is acceptable or not.  I will work on it more tomorrow and throw it into the Mailing List.
2012-10-11 00:49:03 Garbee: Too late for me to do an email now, the language will just suck.
2012-10-11 00:49:09 NotTomato: Okay that would be awesome.
2012-10-11 00:50:25 Garbee: I do know that we need to avoid becoming a place for support like that.  People should go to proper places for software like that like #sublimetext or their forum.  I would love to know why someone would think it is a good idea to post that there.
2012-10-11 00:50:42 Garbee: Thanks for taking care of it though.
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2012-10-11 00:52:21 NotTomato: Garbee: eh such is life, there was some pretty funny philosophy questions floating around on the forum for a second before I deleted them last night, like people asking when the world was going to end, and what god is, etc.
2012-10-11 00:52:38 Garbee: Yea, I flagged some of those. ;)
2012-10-11 00:53:06 Garbee: I think that was more people being funny with the new system.
2012-10-11 00:53:15 NotTomato: Thanks for that, it helped me get through pages a lot faster.
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2012-10-11 01:02:23 eternicode: varnish is throwing 503s D:
2012-10-11 01:02:52 NotTomato: Yeah I'm getting them too.
2012-10-11 01:02:56 Garbee: uh-oh
2012-10-11 01:03:00 NotTomato: shepazu?
2012-10-11 01:03:04 NotTomato: paul_irish?
2012-10-11 01:03:05 Garbee: shepazu got sum work to du.
2012-10-11 01:03:32 paul_irish: where is ryan_lane when you need him :/
2012-10-11 01:03:41 Garbee: Oh, Hi Paul.
2012-10-11 01:04:09 Garbee: Did the doctor need to do surgery or is it just pills?
2012-10-11 01:04:18 shepazu: NotTomato: what's up?
2012-10-11 01:04:22 paul_irish: sinusitis
2012-10-11 01:04:29 shepazu: sigh
2012-10-11 01:04:29 Garbee: 503's on the site shep.
2012-10-11 01:04:53 Garbee: Ouch, sorry Paul.
2012-10-11 01:05:08 _Rainulf: Only wiki is getting 503, the rest seems fine
2012-10-11 01:06:08 shepazu: working on it
2012-10-11 01:09:18 Garbee: paul_irish, Was this you leaving the doctor's office?  http://i.imgur.com/x4Jpe.jpg
2012-10-11 01:10:07 paul_irish: bingo.
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2012-10-11 01:10:56 Garbee: Well, here is one to hopefully make you smile a little:  http://i.imgur.com/tqKrZ.jpg
2012-10-11 01:11:39 paul_irish: thanks :)
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2012-10-11 01:36:43 shepazu: back up
2012-10-11 01:36:47 shepazu: sorry for the downtime
2012-10-11 01:37:02 Garbee: Thanks guys.
2012-10-11 01:37:05 Garbee: and any gals involved.
2012-10-11 01:37:45 NotTomato: Thanks shepazu.
2012-10-11 01:37:56 eternicode: w00t.
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2012-10-11 01:38:26 eternicode: alhough.... now, the single-signon seems broken.  Login workflow from forums through wiki login back to forums doesn't work.
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2012-10-11 01:38:54 _Rainulf: awesome, thanks shepazu
2012-10-11 01:39:02 eternicode: (at the risk of being flamed for saying "doesn't work" XD )
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2012-10-11 01:39:06 shepazu: thank Ryan_Lane
2012-10-11 01:39:11 Garbee: SSO has been glitchy since it launched.
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2012-10-11 01:40:55 Garbee: My SSO is still working.
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2012-10-11 01:45:14 eternicode: hm, worked after clearing my webplatform.org cookies.  weird.
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2012-10-11 01:53:46 Garbee: NotTomato, Are these the syntaxes to edit the wiki?  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
2012-10-11 01:53:57 Garbee: Just making sure those haven't changed.
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2012-10-11 02:11:26 NotTomato: Oh sorry, yes, that's the Wiki markup, Garbee. Another fast way to learn wiki markup is by just looking at the edit source or looking at template sources, you could also write a test page if you want in your own namespace if you're unsure about something that you're doing here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/UserWiki:Garbee
2012-10-11 02:11:42 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/UserWiki:Tomato I use my userspace for a to-do list for myself. o;
2012-10-11 02:11:51 NotTomato: Just an example of stuff you could do with it.
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2012-10-11 02:12:13 arkhi: Good morning
2012-10-11 02:12:28 NotTomato: Hi arkhi.
2012-10-11 02:12:37 Garbee: NotTomato, Yea, I knew it was on Mediawiki but wasn't sure if the syntaxes were changed at all.  But right after asking I realized I could just test and use the preview button.
2012-10-11 02:12:49 Garbee: I was adding a bit to the Planning a Website page.
2012-10-11 02:13:04 NotTomato: Oh okay.
2012-10-11 02:13:07 Garbee: Noticed it was empty so decided to add a little tonight and will probably work on it some more tomorrow.
2012-10-11 02:13:28 Garbee: That and try to finish off this dev tools layout so I can start adding that in a few days.
2012-10-11 02:13:36 NotTomato: Awesome.
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2012-10-11 02:38:56 NotTomato: you want flags to break the pages into categories like Category:Stubs?
2012-10-11 02:39:09 NotTomato: When people enter variables?
2012-10-11 02:39:14 NotTomato: shepazu.
2012-10-11 02:39:56 shepazu: NotTomato: not sure I understand the question
2012-10-11 02:40:07 NotTomato: I think I'm confused by your question.
2012-10-11 02:40:29 NotTomato: You want a tool to help find pages that are being flagged, right?
2012-10-11 02:41:30 NotTomato: Or you want a tool that corrects wiki markup? There are some things like that.
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2012-10-11 02:42:39 shepazu: NotTomato: let's talk about it tomorrow :)
2012-10-11 02:42:41 techcruiser: hello all,  I'm new to this whole thing but it looks like the next step we need to take as far as the internet is concerned.  I registered…now what??
2012-10-11 02:42:47 shepazu: I'm losing my brains.
2012-10-11 02:42:52 NotTomato: Okay.
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2012-10-11 02:43:29 arkhi: techcruiser: Now, if you want to help, you can follow the Get Started links on the website, I think.
2012-10-11 02:43:34 arkhi: techcruiser: good morning. :)
2012-10-11 02:43:48 shepazu: techcruiser: what he said :)
2012-10-11 02:43:52 techcruiser: good morning
2012-10-11 02:43:52 NotTomato: Hi techcruiser, here's the page arkhi mentioned http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-11 02:44:01 arkhi: Thanks NotTomato :)
2012-10-11 02:44:21 techcruiser: ok ill give it a more comprehensive look
2012-10-11 02:44:23 shepazu: hmmm… who changed the topic?
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2012-10-11 02:44:56 shepazu: I don't like that "English only" stuff
2012-10-11 02:45:46 shepazu changed topic to: WebPlatform: ask and answer questions about web development and design • FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-11 02:46:50 NotTomato: shepazu, I'm not really sure. It was changed last night though.
2012-10-11 02:47:33 NotTomato: Is the Q&A also multi-language? I was told it was a few times.
2012-10-11 02:47:43 techcruiser: can only programmers contribute?  I'm a video editor and overall technophile
2012-10-11 02:47:49 NotTomato: wasn't*
2012-10-11 02:47:50 NotTomato: sorry
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2012-10-11 02:49:26 techcruiser: i have a little programming exp, but overall I'm software implementation and video and social media
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2012-10-11 02:59:47 shepazu: techcruiser: not at all! we are trying to get designers and other kinds of techies in here too
2012-10-11 03:00:47 shepazu: techcruiser: your contribution path may be a little different… I'm happy to talk with you about where you think we could improve our video and audio materials
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2012-10-11 03:40:48 paul_irish: hey letterpress!
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2012-10-11 03:42:34 letterpress: well hello there!
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2012-10-11 03:45:10 letterpress: paul_irish, very interested in webplatform because we're putting up a similar community site for letterpress instruction next month. we have had some similar ideas (chat/forum/launch in alpha), and we've gotten some good ideas from your site (article tagging/flow chart/tasks by time). how has the launch gone?
2012-10-11 03:47:36 techcruiser: shepazu i would love to contribute any way i can
2012-10-11 03:49:21 techcruiser: shepazu let me know what i can do
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2012-10-11 04:00:00 shepazu: letterpress: ups and downs :)
2012-10-11 04:00:43 shepazu: letterpress: be very careful with the chat
2012-10-11 04:00:55 shepazu: I can advise or help you with that
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2012-10-11 04:01:57 letterpress: shepazu, thanks. Our  other contributors are telling me not to have chat. but i have this idea that chat could help build a community around the site.
2012-10-11 04:02:35 shepazu: letterpress: we found a lot of disruptive behavior because of chat… I had to turn the web client off
2012-10-11 04:02:51 shepazu: but there is also a lot of helpful participation, so I do think it's worth it
2012-10-11 04:02:54 letterpress: oh really.
2012-10-11 04:03:07 shepazu: you just need to be careful in how you execute it
2012-10-11 04:03:09 letterpress: trolls and such?
2012-10-11 04:03:13 shepazu: yes
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2012-10-11 04:06:13 letterpress: i was planning to have a similar (but different) web client, so that non-techies can participate. ultimately we could require authentication if things get out of hand…because it's our own chat server.
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2012-10-11 04:09:48 letterpress: how do you guys handle moderation, and has that been a challenge? i worry about the trolls going straight to the site content (more than to the chatroom).
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2012-10-11 04:23:40 NotTomato: hi letterpress.
2012-10-11 04:23:59 NotTomato: Are you talking about the moderation of the chat, forum or wiki?
2012-10-11 04:24:18 letterpress: wiki
2012-10-11 04:24:51 NotTomato: Well, any user can revert a edit, so if there is a vandal, even you can protect the wiki.
2012-10-11 04:25:35 NotTomato: But there are AbuseFilters that catch obvious spam, like if you put a bunch of random symbols on a page, or start deleting content off pages when your account is new by replacing them with links (bot do this a lot), the filter will tag the edit or prevent them from doing it.
2012-10-11 04:25:42 NotTomato: So most simple bot spam should be blocked.
2012-10-11 04:26:05 letterpress: oh interesting.
2012-10-11 04:27:07 NotTomato: As for deleting a page that gets past the filter, you can just add the flags template to it and mark it for deletion, one of the admins will get it. Hopefully you don't see too much spam getting past the filter though.
2012-10-11 04:27:20 NotTomato: Sometimes vandals come around, but they usually give up pretty fast if you revert their edits.
2012-10-11 04:27:38 letterpress: interesting. as far as making sure content is good, objective, does each page have an editor behind the scenes ensuring its quality?
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2012-10-11 04:29:35 jeffslofish: hello
2012-10-11 04:29:57 NotTomato: Well, everyone can watch the page, the community will most likely slowly improve the quality over time, if you mean dedicated editors, you can join the mailing list and talk to other contributors about ideas that you have for webplatform.org: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2012-10-11 04:30:02 NotTomato: Hi jeffslofish.
2012-10-11 04:30:47 jeffslofish: i am trying to add some links on the wiki and can't figure it out….when i preview mode when i follow the links, they are to pages that don't exist yet
2012-10-11 04:30:52 NotTomato: Or just listen to their ideas to get an idea of what's going on around the site~
2012-10-11 04:31:11 NotTomato: jeffslofish, can you show me what page you are trying to add it to?
2012-10-11 04:31:19 jeffslofish: sure...
2012-10-11 04:32:17 jeffslofish: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:Content_quality_flag
2012-10-11 04:32:29 jeffslofish: i was trying to link the properties to the appropriate search
2012-10-11 04:32:48 letterpress: thanks for your thoughts NotTomato. our site is in pre-launch so at the moment it's very top-down and edited. it's hard to imagine what will happen when we open editing to outsiders. so….we're assigning each page an editor so that the work of moderating revisions is evenly distributed.
2012-10-11 04:33:37 NotTomato: No problem.
2012-10-11 04:33:48 jeffslofish: for example, the grammer/spelling item should link to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty/Content-20quality-20flag/Grammar-2FSpelling
2012-10-11 04:34:37 NotTomato: Oh okay I see.
2012-10-11 04:37:55 NotTomato: All you want is for the list to link to that grammar and spelling page right, would you care if it was done in Wiki Markup?
2012-10-11 04:38:31 NotTomato: I edited the page to show you an example of how to make the link work with wiki markup jeffslofish.
2012-10-11 04:38:38 NotTomato: If that helps you, just refresh the page and look at where I edited.
2012-10-11 04:38:43 jeffslofish: ok
2012-10-11 04:38:43 NotTomato: As an example. o;
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2012-10-11 04:39:44 jeffslofish: hmmmm, i *thought* that is what i did..
2012-10-11 04:40:12 jeffslofish: but i'll try another one..
2012-10-11 04:40:53 NotTomato: Just use the end of the link of the page you're trying to get to, [[end of link here|what you want the link to display as]].
2012-10-11 04:41:04 jeffslofish: although we probably don't want two of every item, did you do that on purpose - have two Grammer/Spelling items?
2012-10-11 04:41:07 NotTomato: for example if I was linking to my user page, [[User:Tomato|Hello]]
2012-10-11 04:41:19 NotTomato: Right, of course, I was just showing you the difference
2012-10-11 04:41:23 NotTomato: So you could see how to do it. :P
2012-10-11 04:41:31 jeffslofish: and what does "allows value" do? ok ;-)
2012-10-11 04:41:54 jeffslofish: does that need to be after the |   ?
2012-10-11 04:42:38 NotTomato: It's a feature of a extension that mediawiki uses called semantics mediawiki, http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Property:Allows_value
2012-10-11 04:42:57 NotTomato: Using wiki markup will make the page faster though and it's a lot easier to link to things with it.
2012-10-11 04:43:50 NotTomato: What you want the link to display as, such as "Outdated"
2012-10-11 04:44:38 jeffslofish: Right, i just wanted to keep the list how it was and just add links so the only difference is that you can click on them and see the pages that correspond
2012-10-11 04:44:43 paul_irish: NotTomato: i imagine you saw there is no more webchat :)
2012-10-11 04:44:57 NotTomato: You can read more about links here jeffslofish, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links
2012-10-11 04:45:02 jeffslofish: ok thanks
2012-10-11 04:45:06 NotTomato: I saw paul_irish!
2012-10-11 04:45:11 paul_irish: \o/
2012-10-11 04:45:58 NotTomato: It has been so peaceful in here~
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2012-10-11 04:58:02 NotTomato: paul_irish, do you think we'll ever allow anonymous edits on the wiki?
2012-10-11 04:58:44 paul_irish: from a copyright/licensing POV i imagine it's safer to not
2012-10-11 04:59:16 NotTomato: ah okay, just curiosity, I put in abuse filters for the situation if it ever happened.
2012-10-11 04:59:55 paul_irish: are there downsides to having the filters there being unused?
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2012-10-11 05:01:48 NotTomato: No not at all, they will also work on new users.
2012-10-11 05:01:55 NotTomato: They just work equally as well on anonymous users.
2012-10-11 05:02:01 NotTomato: Because the filter will cover both.
2012-10-11 05:07:49 paul_irish: ok
2012-10-11 05:08:09 paul_irish: NotTomato: is there any instrumentation to determine if there are false positives from the filters
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2012-10-11 05:13:00 NotTomato: You can test the filters (click on the filter itself and you'll see the test link), you can also examine the edits (click hits) it makes so it's easy to revert false positives, filters that catch them though, I usually just make them do nothing and instead tag the edit so an admin can look at it.
2012-10-11 05:17:22 NotTomato: I am probably just going to set them all to tag though becuase it makes more sense to use the filters for "flagging"
2012-10-11 05:17:28 NotTomato: Like the Q&A.
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2012-10-11 05:19:09 NotTomato: Okay I'm going to go to bed, see you guys tomorrow, take care!
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2012-10-11 05:21:03 buzz_: how many users does web platform.org have?
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2012-10-11 05:24:14 NotTomatoAFK: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
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2012-10-11 05:48:24 buzz_: about 10k registered users! nice...
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2012-10-11 05:49:26 Infininight: registered users isn't really a meaningful statistic, just as Facebook or Twitter ;)
2012-10-11 05:49:56 Mecil9: registered wanna 10k/
2012-10-11 05:49:58 Mecil9: ?
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2012-10-11 05:50:33 buzz_: I felt that there should be some sort of ratio … like number of admins should be a fixed ratio of the number of active users...
2012-10-11 05:50:50 buzz_: that way admins can scale as the site scales and people won't be overworked
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2012-10-11 05:52:18 chrismills: Morning everyone.
2012-10-11 05:52:45 chrismills: Let me know if you have any questions about webplatform.org!
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2012-10-11 05:55:08 Mecil9: Moring????? here is afternoon
2012-10-11 05:55:39 chrismills: Mecil9: ok - morning/afternoon/evening ;-)
2012-10-11 05:56:13 Mecil9: :P
2012-10-11 05:56:57 arkhi: Good Mornafternoon chrismills. :)
2012-10-11 05:57:53 Mecil9: maybe Good Mornoonevering .....hehe,jok
2012-10-11 05:57:57 chrismills: arkhi: hey, how are you doing?
2012-10-11 05:59:11 chrismills: I wanted to ask - who wants to help out by becoming an official webplatform.org IRC moderator?
2012-10-11 05:59:13 arkhi: Trying to help people (and myself) to fill in bugs in Redmine. :p
2012-10-11 05:59:13 arkhi: You? ;)
2012-10-11 05:59:28 paul_irish: hey chrismills
2012-10-11 06:00:25 chrismills: arkhi I'm good! Overwhlemed by the response we'd had to webplatform, and helping to fix lots of bugs and stuff, but all good.
2012-10-11 06:00:38 chrismills: paul_irish: hey Paul - 'sup?
2012-10-11 06:00:59 paul_irish: updating the Filing Bugs page right now. tackling a few open tabs worth of WPD stuff
2012-10-11 06:01:23 chrismills: coolio - page probably needed some improvements
2012-10-11 06:01:38 varl: I'd love to help out, anyway I can.
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2012-10-11 06:03:15 BMB: "["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]"
2012-10-11 06:03:21 chrismills: varl - sounds good. Can you drop me your e-mail, via a private message? I'm gonna get some information out to you all, get your the proper privileges, etc.
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2012-10-11 06:04:06 varl: chrismills: Gladly sent.
2012-10-11 06:04:37 arkhi: chrismills: For IRC mod, I don’t mind, but it all depends on your expectations. :)
2012-10-11 06:06:23 arkhi: I’ll be here Chinese time, for what it’s worth.
2012-10-11 06:06:33 chrismills: arkhi - we are basically trying to get a few people in each timezone to help out with moderation, answer a few common questions, warn people to stay on topic, and ban any idiots ;-)
2012-10-11 06:06:33 arkhi: GMT+8
2012-10-11 06:07:00 chrismills: Taking down the web-based chat has already got rid of a lot of bots and undesirable stuff, which is cool
2012-10-11 06:07:31 chrismills: We wouldn't expect a lot
2012-10-11 06:10:03 chrismills changed topic to: webplatform Support and conversation about webplatform.org • FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-11 06:10:04 arkhi: That’s cool, yeah, although I wouldn’t parse every single conversation, probably. :)
2012-10-11 06:10:20 chrismills changed topic to: Support and conversation about webplatform.org • FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-11 06:11:52 chrismills: arkhi: obviously we wouldn't expect you to be on all the time, but when you are on, a bit of help would be greatly appreciated. You up for it? Send me your e-mail address in a private message, and I'll hook you up with some details.
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2012-10-11 06:18:50 arkhi: Let’s try this… :)
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2012-10-11 06:46:19 chrismills: Morning everyone
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2012-10-11 06:46:40 chrismills: Messages today - 1. Who wants to be a guest moderator?
2012-10-11 06:46:57 chrismills: Get in touch with me on a private message, if so!
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2012-10-11 06:47:30 chrismills: 2. I will be creating a "most wanted tasks" page soon, to help people find tasks to do on the WPD content more easily
2012-10-11 06:48:07 arkhi: (2. Great if it’s before the weekend!)
2012-10-11 06:48:26 chrismills: 3. Let me know what troubles you've been having! And I don't mean relationship troubles (although I can recommend a good doctor for that!)
2012-10-11 06:48:46 chrismills: arkhi: I will try to get some stuff on it before the weekend.
2012-10-11 06:49:05 arkhi: You’re awesome. :)
2012-10-11 06:49:17 arkhi: How many hands already?
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2012-10-11 06:51:00 chrismills: arkhi - we tweeted some stats yesterday
2012-10-11 06:51:02 chrismills: https://twitter.com/WebPlatform/status/255763792946950144
2012-10-11 06:51:03 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from WebPlatform: http://t.co/v0lw6qCq Day 1 stats: * 86k visitors * 720k page views * 7K new users * 280 editors * 2,036 pages, 11K edits Thanks! ★ http://bit.ly/QTqzTW
2012-10-11 06:51:15 chrismills: pretty cool huh?
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2012-10-11 06:51:43 arkhi: Indeed. :)
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2012-10-11 06:55:15 ctoveloz[BR]: nice cool :)
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2012-10-11 07:00:50 desbenoit: Hi!
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2012-10-11 07:01:53 arkhi: Hola desbenoit
2012-10-11 07:02:14 ctoveloz[BR]: hi
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2012-10-11 07:03:19 chrismills: desbenoit: hey Seb!
2012-10-11 07:04:19 desbenoit: I was wondering, will some of the WPD team be at TPAC?
2012-10-11 07:04:26 chrismills: I will
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2012-10-11 07:04:42 chrismills: Doug and Lea will too
2012-10-11 07:04:57 chrismills: And possibly Eliot and Tobie
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2012-10-11 07:06:26 desbenoit: Oh, great. I'm from Lyon and there's a meet up :)
2012-10-11 07:06:55 desbenoit: Perhaps it could be a great time to see your faces.
2012-10-11 07:07:09 chrismills: dontcallmedom: Dom, your nick in this room is way too long ;-) I got called out for that when I started my W3C fellowship ;-)
2012-10-11 07:08:07 chrismills: desbenoit: cool - it would be great to meet you! I will be at the meet up, presenting some cool demos on behalf of Opera
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2012-10-11 07:09:04 desbenoit: chrismills great.
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2012-10-11 07:10:02 arkhi: On the contrary, dontcallmedom’s email is really short. :)
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2012-10-11 07:10:51 chrismills: arkhi: with one hand he giveth; the the other, he taketh away ;-)
2012-10-11 07:11:02 arkhi: :)
2012-10-11 07:12:56 As4xk: Good morning :)
2012-10-11 07:13:10 chrismills: As4xk: Good morning to you too. How are things?
2012-10-11 07:13:20 arkhi: morning As4xk
2012-10-11 07:14:20 As4xk: Good good :) What atbout you guys?
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2012-10-11 07:14:46 As4xk: chrismills: What do you do at Opera? :)
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2012-10-11 07:15:01 chrismills: Yeah, pretty good. The IRC has calmed down a bit, now we've turned off the web chat ;-)
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2012-10-11 07:15:29 As4xk: hehe. I saw that there were some troubles yesterday :p
2012-10-11 07:15:36 chrismills: As4xk: I ask myself that every day ;-)
2012-10-11 07:16:14 chrismills: As4xk: I am the lead editor of http://dev.opera.com, and I also do lot of tech writing, demo writing, and open standards evangelism - talking to developers about best practices, speaking at conferences, etc.
2012-10-11 07:16:23 dontcallmedom considers changing its nick to dontcallmedontcallmedom
2012-10-11 07:16:56 chrismills: dontcallmedom: you should also add "please" as a prefix ;-)
2012-10-11 07:17:14 desbenoit: -please-dontcallmedom
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2012-10-11 07:17:55 dontcallmedom: how about dontf*ckcallmedom?
2012-10-11 07:17:59 chrismills: pleasedontcallmedontcallmedomotherwiseiwillkickyourass ?
2012-10-11 07:18:15 dontcallmedom: sounds like a winner
2012-10-11 07:19:54 ctoveloz_br: !translate
2012-10-11 07:19:55 desbenoit: youshallnotcallmedom gandalf style
2012-10-11 07:20:12 As4xk: chrismills: Nice. Sounds like fun :)
2012-10-11 07:20:12 ctoveloz_br: !translate
2012-10-11 07:20:39 chrismills: As4xk: yeah, it's a great job. I have no complaints!
2012-10-11 07:20:51 ctoveloz_br: !translag
2012-10-11 07:21:02 arkhi: ctoveloz_br: Can we help you with anything?
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2012-10-11 07:21:10 As4xk: dontcallmedom: If you want us to call you dom, why do you tell us not to?
2012-10-11 07:21:14 Grephix: Morning
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2012-10-11 07:21:27 As4xk: ctoveloz_br: http://translate.google.com/
2012-10-11 07:21:27 chrismills: As4xk: At the moment I am spending a lot of my time contributing to webplatform.org ;-)
2012-10-11 07:21:29 dontcallmedom: my nick should really be dontcallmeDOM
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2012-10-11 07:21:40 chrismills: Grep
2012-10-11 07:21:40 dontcallmeDOM: there
2012-10-11 07:21:46 chrismills: Grephix: hey there!
2012-10-11 07:21:49 As4xk: ok DOM
2012-10-11 07:21:56 Grephix: Hiya mate :)
2012-10-11 07:22:12 Grephix: Anything new?
2012-10-11 07:22:24 ctoveloz_br: [arkhi]: I am trying to install a script on my mirc to self translation
2012-10-11 07:22:49 chrismills: Grephix: well, we turned the web-based chat off, and that has got rid of a lot of the bots and weird crap that was happening in here. Much less noise ;-)
2012-10-11 07:22:53 arkhi: ctoveloz_br: Maybe could you do your tests in a test chan instead? :)
2012-10-11 07:22:59 arkhi: Morning Grephix
2012-10-11 07:23:02 Grephix: I noticed, you guys did so yesterday right?
2012-10-11 07:23:05 Grephix: Hi arkhi
2012-10-11 07:23:19 ctoveloz_br: ok..
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2012-10-11 07:23:24 chrismills: Grephix: I have filed about a million bugs on the bug tracker, of things I am intending to do to improve things.
2012-10-11 07:23:52 arkhi: Thanks ctoveloz_br
2012-10-11 07:23:53 Grephix: U've had a busy night? ;)
2012-10-11 07:23:55 chrismills: Grephix: and I am actively looking for IRC moderators to help us out. Do you fancy the job?
2012-10-11 07:23:59 As4xk: chrismills: What about putting a bot in here that takes care of flooding and stuff?
2012-10-11 07:24:17 chrismills: As4xk: we have already got that on to to do list ;-)
2012-10-11 07:24:19 Grephix: Sure mate, would love to
2012-10-11 07:24:38 Grephix: I've got a script that should take care of flooding, written in mIRC script
2012-10-11 07:24:45 Grephix: bans people when:
2012-10-11 07:24:54 Grephix: - sending the same message 3 times within 10 minutes
2012-10-11 07:24:59 Grephix: - sending 4 messages within 5 seconds
2012-10-11 07:25:05 As4xk: Hehe. The list keeps growing i hear :p
2012-10-11 07:25:10 Grephix: automatically removes then ban after 1 minute :>
2012-10-11 07:25:19 chrismills: Grephix: cool - sounds really useful
2012-10-11 07:25:32 Grephix: I've already shared it with Paul and divya
2012-10-11 07:25:39 As4xk: that might be a bit strict dont you think?
2012-10-11 07:25:46 As4xk: the first rule i mean
2012-10-11 07:25:55 chrismills: Grephix: can you drop me your e-mail address in a private message, and I'll get you some more info about the IRC moderator thing?
2012-10-11 07:26:04 Grephix: As4xk: sending the same message ey, the exact same words
2012-10-11 07:26:11 As4xk: like: Hi
2012-10-11 07:26:20 Grephix: ofcourse mate
2012-10-11 07:27:25 As4xk: And: hehe
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2012-10-11 07:28:37 As4xk: But guessing it's not a problem as people will learn from that. Just thinking out loud ;)
2012-10-11 07:29:01 Grephix: Well, the script ofcourse can be altered or tweaked
2012-10-11 07:29:05 Grephix: to whatever channel policy :)
2012-10-11 07:29:30 Grephix: I should really search for the bot I once wrote in PHP, lol
2012-10-11 07:29:42 Grephix: As the mIRC script is only effective as long as I am connected to my bouncer
2012-10-11 07:30:57 As4xk: http://sourceforge.net/projects/abbot.berlios/
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2012-10-11 07:31:48 Grephix: Mine was based on Eggdrop at the time
2012-10-11 07:31:52 Sandkorn: G'Morning folks.
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2012-10-11 07:31:56 Grephix: Hi Sandkorn :)
2012-10-11 07:32:03 chrismills: morning Sandkorn
2012-10-11 07:32:09 Sandkorn: :)
2012-10-11 07:32:38 chrismills: Sandkorn: do you fancy becoming an official webplatform IRC moderator?
2012-10-11 07:32:39 As4xk: Good old eggdrop, with chanstats and other candy ;)
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2012-10-11 07:34:51 kennyluck: Just curious. Would talking about MDN be out of scope here?
2012-10-11 07:35:25 Grephix: Yup As4xk, the times where IRC was awesum
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2012-10-11 07:35:31 Grephix: kennyluck: not really, I guess
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2012-10-11 07:35:53 chrismills: kennyluck: depends if it relates to webplatform as well? If not, then there are probably better channels with more suited people to help you than here.
2012-10-11 07:36:15 kennyluck: ok
2012-10-11 07:36:58 As4xk: kennyluck try #mdn on irc.mozilla.org
2012-10-11 07:37:09 chrismills: cheers As4xk
2012-10-11 07:37:21 chrismills: I was just searching for that ;-)
2012-10-11 07:37:24 kennyluck: As4xk, you got that wrong. It's #devmo :p
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2012-10-11 07:38:57 kennyluck: I am not looking for the channel. I just want to know how people think about WPF vs. MDN here.
2012-10-11 07:40:52 As4xk: ok. Guess if there are people here that are also interested, than talking about it in the cat wouldn't be a problem. Bus as chrismills said; Might be more people to talk with in other channels.
2012-10-11 07:41:17 As4xk: yes. in the cat
2012-10-11 07:41:48 chrismills: MDN right now is better, but we are hoping to grow WPO into a much bigger, better resource. A lot of MDN material has been migrated over here, and we have Moz supporting that goal. I can't comment completely accurately, as I don't work for Moz, but I've heard that Moz will move a lot of their open standards stuff over here, and then have MDn moving more towards a place for Moz product documentation, like Jetpack, B2G, etc.
2012-10-11 07:42:12 chrismills: Although I doubt they'll let go of their JS ref easily. And who can blame them? It's awesome.
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2012-10-11 07:47:08 kennyluck: As4xk, the point is that having to get onto two IRC server is a pain for some people and my feeling is that talking about it here would be more effective than, say, creating #mdn on irc.freenode.net.
2012-10-11 07:47:54 kennyluck: The Web is a single identity anyway, so is it's material for education :)
2012-10-11 07:48:44 As4xk: true true :)
2012-10-11 07:48:52 chrismills: kennyluck: which also means that logging into two irc servers shouldn't feel like that much of a bind either ;-)
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2012-10-11 07:49:24 chrismills: Seriously, I don't mind a bit of chat about MDN, because a lot of issues and thinking will be applicable to both resources anyway
2012-10-11 07:49:31 chrismills: So therefore useful to both
2012-10-11 07:49:42 chrismills: As long as we don't stray too drastically off topic
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2012-10-11 07:49:58 As4xk: depends on the popularity of the channels though. If both channels would become popular on it selfs. Than it might get chaotic when everyone taks in the same channel.
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2012-10-11 07:50:38 As4xk: but for most channels that's not a problem ;)
2012-10-11 07:50:52 chrismills: yeah - this one is unusually active
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2012-10-11 07:52:55 kennyluck: It'll change, in view of the status quo of #devmo.
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2012-10-11 07:55:52 As4xk: kennyluck: Probably. But for a while i think it will continue to grow, as webplatform.org grows
2012-10-11 07:57:04 As4xk: At least if the webchat returns :p
2012-10-11 07:57:07 As4xk: hi AndIrc
2012-10-11 07:57:16 kennyluck: As4xk, I am not so sure but I am willing to trust you if you are one of the people who is experienced with #wikipedia.
2012-10-11 07:59:01 tobie: desbenoit, chrismills: I'll be at TPAC
2012-10-11 07:59:07 As4xk: i am not. Did they fall asleep? :p
2012-10-11 07:59:17 desbenoit: tobie great!
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2012-10-11 08:00:51 SandsHUN: Guys. Anybody knows webplatform.org when became releaye version? Now it is full of bug....
2012-10-11 08:00:56 tobie: desbenoit: I do live rather close by. :)
2012-10-11 08:01:17 varl: is there a particular reason Apple is listed as a steward but not showing their logo on the site? (besides copyrights, trademark reasons, etc)
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2012-10-11 08:02:26 SandsHUN: I'm from Hungary...
2012-10-11 08:03:14 As4xk: Have to go. See you :)
2012-10-11 08:03:20 kennyluck: varl, that's an answered question in the forum if I recall correctly.
2012-10-11 08:05:02 SandsHUN: Anyone use Netbeans for developing Android apps?
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2012-10-11 08:05:37 varl: kennyluck: right, thanks. Doesn't answer the specifics, just that they opted out though.
2012-10-11 08:06:01 tobie: desbenoit: yup, I live in Geneva.
2012-10-11 08:06:12 varl: then again getting "specifics" about why apple does something is a bit of a conundrum.
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2012-10-11 08:12:25 ctoveloz[BR]: Hi :)
2012-10-11 08:12:30 DY: hi~
2012-10-11 08:13:01 arkhi: Good morning Europe…
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2012-10-11 08:13:50 DY: at here, good afternoon :)
2012-10-11 08:14:08 ctoveloz[BR]: here is 05:13 am
2012-10-11 08:14:14 ctoveloz[BR]: -.-
2012-10-11 08:14:38 DY: u wake up so early~!
2012-10-11 08:14:55 DY: here is 05:00 PM
2012-10-11 08:15:07 ctoveloz[BR]: have not slept
2012-10-11 08:15:10 ctoveloz[BR]: :P
2012-10-11 08:15:40 chrismills: cool folks!
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2012-10-11 08:16:12 chrismills: ctoveloz[BR]: not sleeping? wow. I just can't cope worth no sleep
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2012-10-11 08:16:55 ctoveloz[BR]: I'm unemployed, I'm wandering
2012-10-11 08:17:08 chrismills: Repeat message from earlier - if anyone is interested in being an official webplatform.org moderator, please contact me with a private message.
2012-10-11 08:17:19 DY: i saw the news about "WebPlatform.org Launches" in the HTML5Weekly newletter
2012-10-11 08:17:28 chrismills: DY: cool!
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2012-10-11 08:17:55 ctoveloz[BR]: was for me to have gone to sleep but I was programming a script to translate for my mirc
2012-10-11 08:18:26 chrismills: being unemployed must be great for actually having time to code all those experiments you never usually get round to ;-)
2012-10-11 08:18:59 Grephix: It's less great for not having money around to spend on food and a roof over yer head to code all those experiments you never usually get round to :>
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2012-10-11 08:19:29 chrismills: Grephix: too true. and I have three kids to support, so having money coming in a real worry all the time.
2012-10-11 08:19:44 ctoveloz[BR]: I am employed by a company of canada ... but the workshop so get them ready here in next month;)
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2012-10-11 08:19:47 Grephix: True, true. 3 kids hmm?
2012-10-11 08:19:48 Grephix: What age?
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2012-10-11 08:21:02 chrismills: 16 months, 4 years and 9 years
2012-10-11 08:21:08 Richard_Ainz: here we are again
2012-10-11 08:21:20 chrismills: ctoveloz[BR]: nice
2012-10-11 08:21:41 Richard_Ainz: great with the security improvements for access
2012-10-11 08:21:51 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: yup ;-)
2012-10-11 08:22:05 Grephix: chrismills: oh wauw, quite a year-span between them
2012-10-11 08:22:22 Richard_Ainz: someone picked up my bugreport and yelling poretty fast
2012-10-11 08:22:30 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-11 08:22:31 Richard_Ainz: '*prettyu
2012-10-11 08:22:48 chrismills: Grephix: yes, they are quite a handful
2012-10-11 08:22:54 Richard_Ainz: damn keyboard
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2012-10-11 08:23:37 Grephix: I can understand, lol :)
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2012-10-11 08:24:07 DY: bye guys,, s u next time
2012-10-11 08:24:13 chrismills: Dy bye now
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2012-10-11 08:25:19 ctoveloz[BR]: look this zone ... but it helps
2012-10-11 08:25:21 ctoveloz[BR]: http://imgur.com/yTyeI
2012-10-11 08:25:25 ctoveloz[BR]: :P
2012-10-11 08:25:59 chrismills: ctoveloz[BR]: oh wow - that is really col
2012-10-11 08:26:46 ctoveloz[BR]: now missing one for my writing ... but see it tomorrow
2012-10-11 08:26:52 arkhi: ctoveloz[BR]: Excellent!
2012-10-11 08:27:38 ctoveloz[BR]: :)
2012-10-11 08:27:48 arkhi: Be careful that some web service might not get upset with the load of requests, though. :p
2012-10-11 08:28:31 ctoveloz[BR]: jquery and ajax request...
2012-10-11 08:28:33 ctoveloz[BR]: hehe
2012-10-11 08:29:46 Grephix: oh wow ctoveloz[BR], nice one :)
2012-10-11 08:29:56 Richard_Ainz: any decent tutorilas for high level intranet construction somewhere?
2012-10-11 08:30:15 Richard_Ainz: *tutorials
2012-10-11 08:30:16 chrismills: intranets, huh? Not at the moment
2012-10-11 08:30:29 chrismills: but we would love to get people writing some!
2012-10-11 08:30:49 Richard_Ainz: well, got this project to build ours from scratch for the IT dep
2012-10-11 08:30:58 chrismills: Righty
2012-10-11 08:31:39 Richard_Ainz: could be a case study I could write up
2012-10-11 08:32:00 Richard_Ainz: need to write up anyway. loads of ppt stuff
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2012-10-11 08:35:02 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: please, if you could write it up, that would be superb
2012-10-11 08:35:18 chrismills: a lot of the technological aspects will be the same as any other site
2012-10-11 08:35:32 chrismills: but there will be intranet specific stuff that could be really valuable
2012-10-11 08:36:06 chrismills: If you could catalog the top intranet creation tips, gotchas, pitfalls, main things to worry about, etc.
2012-10-11 08:36:51 chrismills: Richard_Ainz If you are not sure how best to communicate this/structure this, then I'd be happy to help. I'm an experienced editor/tech writer.
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2012-10-11 08:40:38 mathela: hi everybody ! Just a question. I'm a french webdevelopper. Can i contribute by translating some articles ?
2012-10-11 08:41:11 ctoveloz[BR]: yess
2012-10-11 08:41:25 mathela: :D
2012-10-11 08:41:27 arkhi: Salut mathela…
2012-10-11 08:41:35 mathela: jour arkhi
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2012-10-11 08:41:48 arkhi: mathela: I was given something like a few weeks before we can start. ;)
2012-10-11 08:42:06 arkhi: I mean: I’d be willing to do as you.
2012-10-11 08:42:14 Richard_Ainz: @chrimills : I will give it some thought and keep your offer in mind,  need to set up some parameters for basic info
2012-10-11 08:42:38 arkhi: pompage being kinda dead, I would love to contribute to WP
2012-10-11 08:42:58 mathela: ok great !!! maybe we can can create some pages prefixed with  "fr_"
2012-10-11 08:42:59 arkhi: Although I’d love pompage to rise again. :p
2012-10-11 08:43:10 carolyns: talking about translations i can do polish. /ping divya :)
2012-10-11 08:44:06 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: cool - feel free to ping me, on cmills@w3.org
2012-10-11 08:44:29 Sandkorn: AFAIK its just english at the moment and content should be sorted / (re)written first.. :-/
2012-10-11 08:44:56 Grephix: Imo that might be the most wise, Sandkorn
2012-10-11 08:45:34 chrismills: arkhi, mathela see my comments on translations at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Oct/0021.html
2012-10-11 08:45:34 Grephix: It'd be a better bet to first have everything structured first, before translating content that will be fully rewritten / restructured or otherwise even deleted anyway
2012-10-11 08:45:52 arkhi: Grephix: +1
2012-10-11 08:46:00 arkhi: Thanks chrismills
2012-10-11 08:46:05 chrismills: if you want to start do translations right now, and don't want to wait for the site to have it's translation facilities built ;-)
2012-10-11 08:46:14 chrismills: s/do/doing
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2012-10-11 08:47:06 arkhi: The translations will be pushed to WP later, you mean?
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2012-10-11 08:48:24 chrismills: arkhi: yes, I think tat's the best way to do it for now
2012-10-11 08:48:36 mathela: ok chrismills i'll start some translations i'll will be back on the chan to know how i can send it to webplatform
2012-10-11 08:48:49 mathela: :D
2012-10-11 08:48:51 chrismills: if you put them straight on WP, then it may be a lot of work to move it all into the right place
2012-10-11 08:48:59 chrismills: so better to put them somewhere else for now
2012-10-11 08:49:06 arkhi: mathela: read the link chris send first: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Oct/0021.html
2012-10-11 08:49:15 arkhi: sent*
2012-10-11 08:49:27 arkhi: wrote*
2012-10-11 08:49:32 arkhi: whatever*
2012-10-11 08:50:01 mathela: that 's why i'm here. id rather like asking how to do something instead of doing in a bad way !
2012-10-11 08:50:15 Grephix: lol arkhi
2012-10-11 08:50:17 Grephix: n1 :D
2012-10-11 08:50:34 chrismills: Yeah, thanks for reaching out. We appreciate all the help you guys (and gals) are giving us
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2012-10-11 08:53:59 arkhi: oh, is that another chris coming in?
2012-10-11 08:55:50 chrismills: argh, it's Heilmann…hide ;-) /cc cheilmann
2012-10-11 08:56:05 cheilmann: you can't hide
2012-10-11 08:56:19 chrismills: I know … ;-|
2012-10-11 08:56:24 cheilmann: also come to London on the 15th of November, Sodom are playing :)
2012-10-11 08:56:33 chrismills: sweet
2012-10-11 08:56:34 _WiZZarD: London is so far swimming
2012-10-11 08:56:43 _WiZZarD: all across the channel
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2012-10-11 08:58:24 cheilmann: need to pack for San Francisco
2012-10-11 08:58:37 cheilmann: and at one time write my presentation for HTML5devcon
2012-10-11 08:59:11 chrismills: I need to write a 4 hour workshop by the start of november. Terrified ;-)
2012-10-11 09:00:35 tobie: Hey folks would having a bot in here help?
2012-10-11 09:01:06 chrismills: tobie: definitely. We were discussing this earlier. We ought to start speccing out what features we want.
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2012-10-11 09:01:48 tobie: What about we ship and iterate instead?
2012-10-11 09:01:51 _WiZZarD: chrismills: if it's a *work*shop , you don't have to do the writing ;)
2012-10-11 09:02:30 sz0ka: chrismills: okay I haven't written anything, yet about JSON but I think this weekend will work for me. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get some off time 'cuz of a project which deadline is next week.
2012-10-11 09:02:35 _WiZZarD: let the participants do it :)
2012-10-11 09:02:42 ctoveloz[BR]: puts a new bot topics
2012-10-11 09:02:50 chrismills: sz0ka: the weekend sounds fine to me!
2012-10-11 09:03:10 chrismills: _WiZZarD: well, yes, but you still needs slides, examples and exercises to point people to ;-)
2012-10-11 09:03:22 ctoveloz[BR]: puts bot a new topics
2012-10-11 09:03:39 _WiZZarD: heh, their devvers. They are supposed to be able to think ;)
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2012-10-11 09:04:25 chrismills: _WiZZarD: you'd be surprised...
2012-10-11 09:04:36 _WiZZarD: nope, i deal with devvers all day
2012-10-11 09:04:52 _WiZZarD pours a little sarcasm over his last few statements
2012-10-11 09:04:58 tobie: chrismills: happy to get something really basic setup and iterate from there.
2012-10-11 09:05:42 chrismills: tobie: please do - are you ok to handle that?
2012-10-11 09:06:08 chrismills: I'm currently setting up a group of moderators, and all the info that goes with it
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2012-10-11 09:06:47 chrismills: tobie: nice one mate
2012-10-11 09:06:57 tobie: chrismills: would be awesome if you could give me the 5-10 you'd most like the bot to be able to handle
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2012-10-11 09:07:28 chrismills: tobie: I'm not sure yet; it'd be good to get some ideas from people on best bot features
2012-10-11 09:07:57 tobie: chrismills: well, what are the questions you're asnwering most often is a good start
2012-10-11 09:08:09 chrismills: Grephix: had some good ideas too
2012-10-11 09:08:24 chrismills: questions most commonly answered...
2012-10-11 09:08:31 chrismills: Is this project open source
2012-10-11 09:08:36 chrismills: how do I file bugs
2012-10-11 09:08:44 chrismills: what do I do about translations
2012-10-11 09:09:00 chrismills: can we write about server-side stuff on webplatform
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2012-10-11 09:10:04 chrismills: maybe also a way for people to get help when they're not getting their question answered would be good too
2012-10-11 09:10:05 kranius: hello there
2012-10-11 09:10:11 chrismills: kranius: hi ;-)
2012-10-11 09:10:46 kranius: good localtime chrismills
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2012-10-11 09:11:10 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-11 09:11:13 ctoveloz[BR]: I'll take my protein and go to sleep, bye. Even here 8 hours ;)
2012-10-11 09:11:22 chrismills: ctoveloz[BR]: ttfn
2012-10-11 09:12:13 Richard_Ainz: Guys, I think webplatform should move away from the current Q&A form and get a real forum. It is messy, hard to browse, repeated questions, etc. Gimme root pwds and I will set up a phpBB. ;-)
2012-10-11 09:12:30 sz0ka: chrismills: okay perfectly :)
2012-10-11 09:13:03 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: we are intending to structure it better soon, with categories, etc.
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2012-10-11 09:13:33 Richard_Ainz: I hope your backend is easy to manage...:)
2012-10-11 09:13:33 Munter: phpbb... I hate that forum. And not even because of all the security holes in it
2012-10-11 09:13:34 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: I don't know if a full blown forum would be a good thing or not
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2012-10-11 09:14:09 chrismills: I personally hate big unwieldy forums, and prefer the lighter approach of a Q&A set up
2012-10-11 09:14:13 Richard_Ainz: Well it is at least proven and working and limitations are known, to all.
2012-10-11 09:14:21 chrismills: But I guess both have their benefits
2012-10-11 09:14:45 Richard_Ainz: I do not see any benefits in the current form...
2012-10-11 09:14:55 Richard_Ainz: but I an mew to it
2012-10-11 09:15:00 Richard_Ainz: *new
2012-10-11 09:16:41 Richard_Ainz: I use both vBulletin and phpBB, and are also part of coding a custom solution from scratc and we see it all the time, visible parent-child categorization is the answer to many issues
2012-10-11 09:17:00 chrismills: Righty - yes, we ought to have this
2012-10-11 09:17:01 Richard_Ainz: not least, moderation
2012-10-11 09:17:16 Richard_Ainz: and I am a tough moderator
2012-10-11 09:18:08 Richard_Ainz: so some of your guys need to take a break and review documentation for the sites usage, moderation, categorization...and access of course
2012-10-11 09:18:18 Richard_Ainz: or create it
2012-10-11 09:19:42 kranius: :)
2012-10-11 09:20:47 chrismills: there is so much for us to do still ;-)
2012-10-11 09:21:13 chrismills: I think we have got most of this already
2012-10-11 09:21:20 chrismills: It is a matter of allowing people to find it
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2012-10-11 09:24:28 Richard_Ainz: Yep, but if you delay you risk loosing info and get a bunch of frustrated users leaving the site
2012-10-11 09:25:24 Richard_Ainz: or code som custom import scripts to a new solution
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2012-10-11 09:32:34 ctoveloz[BR]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyGP0ZyxF5E
2012-10-11 09:32:59 chrismills: thanks Richard_Ainz - I will start moving forward on those ideas. Can you submit a bug detailing what you think needs to be done with the Q&A, or write some feedback on the mailing list?
2012-10-11 09:35:04 Richard_Ainz: Yes I can do that, but do I need to? I mean this is like breathing for me, and you have some prominent names and brands behind the site, you must have thought of this?
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2012-10-11 09:46:17 chrismills: Richard_Ainz: we have a lot of named behind the site, but we are only a small number of people actually doing the work ;-) We have probably thought about it, but putting it into action takes time, and having outside feedback on things often helps to prioritise. It's ok, I will follow up on this with the others.
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2012-10-11 09:49:21 Sandkorn: I wouldnt put up a phpBB-style or exceedingly moderated forum on a sitle like WPF. See SO for example; the community does most of the work. And with the amount of people willing to help here it should work just as fine.
2012-10-11 09:49:43 Grephix: +1 Sandkorn
2012-10-11 09:49:51 Sandkorn: Even tho i have no idea of whats planned - it should be discussed. The mailing list doesnt sound that bad. =)
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2012-10-11 09:54:25 chrismills: Sandkorn, Grephix: I think Richard_Ainz certainly has some valid concerns, but also that we should see how things play out before making any drastic changes.
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2012-10-11 09:57:01 Sandkorn nod's
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2012-10-11 09:57:34 Grephix: True dat
2012-10-11 09:58:21 Boldfish: Hi All.
2012-10-11 09:58:25 Grephix: Hi Boldfish
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2012-10-11 09:58:47 robertpitt_: Hey Guys.
2012-10-11 09:58:54 Grephix: hi robertpitt_
2012-10-11 09:59:20 Boldfish: A question - the docs have case sensitive urls - is there a plan to redirect from lower case matches to avoid typos and duplicate content?
2012-10-11 09:59:39 Boldfish: e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/main_page
2012-10-11 09:59:55 Grephix: Might be a good idea indeed
2012-10-11 10:00:01 Grephix: Good point, Boldfish
2012-10-11 10:00:47 Grephix: For that matter: why are the URLs case sensitive anyway? Why not all convert them to lower case
2012-10-11 10:01:38 Boldfish: I wondered about that, but thought that CSS_properties looked better than css_properties and also there might be instances where case sensitivity was required?
2012-10-11 10:01:47 Boldfish: don't have an example...
2012-10-11 10:01:48 Boldfish: :)
2012-10-11 10:02:37 Sandkorn: within the css section, everything seems to be redirected to lowercase entries (at least thats the impression i have so far and what i'm doing whenever i spot something)
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2012-10-11 10:03:59 chrismills: Boldfish, Grephix Yes …;-) One big failing of media wiki is that the URLs are case sensitive. It is really annoying, and the way we have been dealing with it is to try to make sure all the tutorials/references/normal level pages are created with lower case URLs, just to avoid any damaging conflicts.
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2012-10-11 10:04:30 tobie: wpd FileAPI
2012-10-11 10:04:30 wpdbot: tobie, here is the result of your search for "FileAPI": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=FileAPI
2012-10-11 10:04:34 chrismills: You can't overwrite work anyway - if you try to create a URL with the same name as another one in existence, it will tell you to choose another name
2012-10-11 10:04:58 Boldfish: Ah, okay, makes sense to pick one…  :)
2012-10-11 10:04:59 Grephix: chrismills: it's both a blessing and a curse IMO in media wiki
2012-10-11 10:05:07 chrismills: but it is annoying when you get conflicts with the same URL but written in upper and lower case
2012-10-11 10:05:22 Grephix: I can imagine in some situations the case sensitivity is a good thing
2012-10-11 10:05:32 Boldfish: Wikipedia does redirects from one to the other...
2012-10-11 10:05:40 Grephix: In this case however I'd just redirect every single request to the lower case version and make sure all pages are lower cased.
2012-10-11 10:05:51 tobie: Is there a faq?
2012-10-11 10:05:51 wpdbot: FAQ can be found here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Site_FAQ
2012-10-11 10:05:58 Grephix: That's indeed a possibility Boldfish, however not really good performancewise
2012-10-11 10:06:01 Boldfish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Url_normalization
2012-10-11 10:06:23 Grephix: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity_of_page_names
2012-10-11 10:06:23 chrismills: so generally the site admins try to move all normal pages to lower case if we find upper case ones, checking first of course there isn't anything valuable at the lower case version already ;-)
2012-10-11 10:06:32 chrismills: So let me know if you find any that need to be moved.
2012-10-11 10:06:38 Boldfish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/url_normalization
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2012-10-11 10:06:48 tobie: chrismills: minimal bot setup.
2012-10-11 10:06:56 chrismills: tobie you rock dude.
2012-10-11 10:07:06 tobie: it's running off of my machine atm
2012-10-11 10:07:09 chrismills: is there a help command to find out the commands it has available?
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2012-10-11 10:07:32 lampe2: good morning
2012-10-11 10:07:36 tobie: I'll need to add this.
2012-10-11 10:07:36 sandroid: tobie: what's the bot running ?
2012-10-11 10:07:46 chrismills: lampe2: hi there!
2012-10-11 10:08:07 lampe2: hez hez chrismills
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2012-10-11 10:08:11 tobie: sandroid: it's https://github.com/gf3/jerk
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2012-10-11 10:08:47 Grephix: tobie; you working on that? Does that mean I should stop working on a PHP based eggdrop bot which runs on my box?
2012-10-11 10:08:57 tobie: chrismills: currently it does two things: respond to "wpd ...." with a search url.
2012-10-11 10:09:11 Grephix: dedicated box that is*
2012-10-11 10:09:12 tobie: and points to the FAQ when faq is mentioned.
2012-10-11 10:09:12 wpdbot: FAQ can be found here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Site_FAQ
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2012-10-11 10:09:20 chrismills: nice
2012-10-11 10:09:43 tobie: I'll open source it and host it on github
2012-10-11 10:09:46 vldcnst: Grephix: PHP for IRC? really.
2012-10-11 10:09:56 Grephix: vldcnst: yea, PHP for IRC. Eggdrop mate
2012-10-11 10:09:57 tobie: liek that it's easy to add new commands
2012-10-11 10:10:03 tobie: just make pull request.
2012-10-11 10:10:03 desbenoit: hello wpdbot :)
2012-10-11 10:10:07 sandroid: oh nice it's a nodejs bot :)
2012-10-11 10:10:10 Grephix: Which's been a proven IRC bot for years
2012-10-11 10:10:34 vldcnst: Grephix: how are you handling cases where you'd need multiple threads?
2012-10-11 10:10:35 Sandkorn: werent classic eggdrops using TCL scripts?
2012-10-11 10:10:51 Grephix: Sandkorn: true, not the fork I'm running though
2012-10-11 10:10:58 Grephix: Also vldcnst: multiple threads, for a bot?
2012-10-11 10:12:02 vldcnst: Grephix: ugh, depending on what the bot can do, yes.
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2012-10-11 10:13:42 vldcnst: Grephix: eg: a user causes the bot to try and open some URL/do a DNS request - how are you handling everything else while that's going?
2012-10-11 10:14:14 Grephix: I do not expect it to interpret every single line posted and create a full criminal profile of users based on their comments ;-)
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2012-10-11 10:14:31 Grephix: You have a valid point there mate, however that's not one of the things on my whish lists
2012-10-11 10:14:58 vldcnst: Grephix: I'm just sayin', PHP may not be the proper language to use for such a project
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2012-10-11 10:15:43 lampe2: iam on the site and on this articel http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/mobile_web . the title is there twice. is this okay so ?
2012-10-11 10:16:09 Grephix: Depending on the use and functionality of the bot: i can not agree more, there was however a quick wish for easy moderation (counter spam measures and such) of the channel and I remembered having a bot laying around somewhere which could fit this easy task.
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2012-10-11 10:17:00 vldcnst: Grephix: oh well, PHP is indeed awesome. actually, I know someone who wrote an IRCd in PHP
2012-10-11 10:17:32 vldcnst: again, same limiting factors, but that person decided to go nuts and coded an entire "fork child" class.
2012-10-11 10:17:43 sandroid: lol
2012-10-11 10:18:03 vldcnst: which wasn't more than just exec("php ... &"); (pseudo code)
2012-10-11 10:18:46 Grephix: hehe
2012-10-11 10:18:55 Garbee: Grephix, Supybot is a nice bot running on Python.
2012-10-11 10:19:05 Garbee: It is one I have been messing with that we could use.
2012-10-11 10:19:17 vldcnst: Garbee: is that a fork on phenny?
2012-10-11 10:19:26 Grephix: vldcnst: my thoughts exactly
2012-10-11 10:19:28 Garbee: http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/    ...No fork that I know of.
2012-10-11 10:19:38 Grephix: I remember some sort of relationship between the two
2012-10-11 10:20:46 vldcnst: looking at the code, it doesn't seem so
2012-10-11 10:20:47 Garbee: I'm not sure of the exact history behind it.  Another room I lurk in used it for a time, then the maintainer of it went away so it dropped out as well.
2012-10-11 10:20:51 sandroid: just make sure not to introduce too many bots to the channel :) , ends up being more confusing than anything else :)
2012-10-11 10:21:19 sandroid: and also jerk seems a good choice for a channel dedicated to the web platform :D
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2012-10-11 10:21:36 Garbee: I like Supybot because instead of just mentioning the FAQ we would need to give it a command like @@FAQ (or whatever we want for @@) and then it would call whatever is programmed for that command.
2012-10-11 10:22:24 Garbee: I think we all need to agree though, no RSS BS.  We don't need feeds being spat out into the chatroom adding clutter to the conversation.
2012-10-11 10:22:34 sandroid agrees
2012-10-11 10:23:32 _WiZZarD: hm
2012-10-11 10:23:34 _WiZZarD: lol
2012-10-11 10:23:39 Grephix: :>
2012-10-11 10:23:48 chrismills: not sure why that happened...
2012-10-11 10:23:53 _WiZZarD: i do
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2012-10-11 10:23:59 _WiZZarD: just registered this nick ;)
2012-10-11 10:24:20 chrismills: ah yes
2012-10-11 10:24:31 _WiZZarD: btw, page looks good chrismills
2012-10-11 10:24:37 chrismills: cool
2012-10-11 10:24:38 sandroid: oh, since jerk is running via js .. it could have a command to interpret some js code that code be sent to a command and spit the result back out in the channel :D
2012-10-11 10:24:40 _WiZZarD: corrected one typo though ;)
2012-10-11 10:24:45 chrismills: nic eone
2012-10-11 10:24:55 sandroid: ugh, nice english there , sorry :P
2012-10-11 10:26:06 vldcnst: sandroid: like require('child_process').spawn(process.argv.shift(),process.argv);
2012-10-11 10:26:13 sandroid: lol
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2012-10-11 10:26:17 sandroid: that could be fun :D
2012-10-11 10:26:22 tobie: sandroid: it could, except that's not the purpose of this channel
2012-10-11 10:27:30 sandroid: hehe that's ok :) just saying :P
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2012-10-11 10:41:19 tobie: sandroid: https://github.com/gf3/protobot does that. You can still find it running places, afaik.
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2012-10-11 10:48:52 Sandkorn: hm.. "What you get" .. love and appreciation ..
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2012-10-11 10:49:27 Grephix: lol Sandkorn
2012-10-11 10:49:36 Sandkorn: :-}
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2012-10-11 10:58:53 robertpitt_: is let "exactly" the same as var?
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2012-10-11 11:05:45 Sandkorn: let allows you to declare variables, limiting its scope to the block, statement, or expression on which it is used. This is unlike the var keyword, which defines a variable globally, or locally to an entire function regardless of block scope.
2012-10-11 11:05:54 Sandkorn: MDN > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/let
2012-10-11 11:06:54 Sandkorn: if thats the let you mean (?)
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2012-10-11 11:10:23 robertpitt_: ok so let includes scopes of for loops for example.
2012-10-11 11:10:25 robertpitt_: got it
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2012-10-11 11:13:51 robertpitt_: Anyone want to take a look at this and help me organize how the page should be layed out ?
2012-10-11 11:13:51 robertpitt_: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/future
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2012-10-11 11:14:20 iamaterran: Good afternoon
2012-10-11 11:15:35 iamaterran: what linux distro shall I use?
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2012-10-11 11:16:26 Sandkorn: whichever you like! :-)
2012-10-11 11:16:31 chrismills: robertpitt_ looks ok so far to me. I can help you structure it a bit more when there is more there. I think that for a guide to future JS, a laundry list of ES6 syntax, features etc is fine.
2012-10-11 11:16:56 chrismills: it doesn't necessarily need to be a structured tutorial type affair, if it is a broad overview
2012-10-11 11:17:45 msch: part
2012-10-11 11:18:49 robertpitt_: yea. I will keep going over the next few days and maybe we can restructure it later. I am not happy with the current structure but not got a better idea yet
2012-10-11 11:19:25 chrismills: i think it is ok for now. Just get it written down as a priority.
2012-10-11 11:19:54 chrismills: much better to get the writing done rather than worrying about the exact structure.
2012-10-11 11:21:29 Garbee: chrismills, If you want some more volunteer mods I am available.
2012-10-11 11:22:16 chrismills: Garbee - cool, thanks! Can you drop me your e-mail in a private message, and I'll get you sorted out with details
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2012-10-11 11:24:59 Garbee: Although I do think Tomato is modding the forums/wiki currently too so you may want to get them added to the list of volunteers.
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2012-10-11 11:26:15 chrismills: ok, cool
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2012-10-11 11:26:53 Garbee: Yay, no more general support in here. :)  (just read the email.)
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2012-10-11 11:27:22 chrismills: Garbee - yes, that line was a bit silly ;-)
2012-10-11 11:28:14 Garbee: Well, it has been something that we debated basically since I arrived in the room.  It is good to have it finally sorted out.
2012-10-11 11:28:34 Garbee: I'm all for helping people, but Paul pointed it out perfectly in his email.
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2012-10-11 11:33:37 sdafg: hi!
2012-10-11 11:33:39 sdafg: Any here?
2012-10-11 11:33:45 Garbee: Yes.
2012-10-11 11:33:55 Garbee: 209 or so people.
2012-10-11 11:34:13 sdafg: yout site why not have docs of flash technology?
2012-10-11 11:34:17 sdafg: your
2012-10-11 11:34:27 Garbee: Flash is not a web standard.
2012-10-11 11:34:52 sdafg: and what web standarts?
2012-10-11 11:35:17 Garbee: Could you rephrase that question please?  I don't understand.
2012-10-11 11:35:32 sdafg: ok
2012-10-11 11:35:38 sdafg: other question then
2012-10-11 11:35:39 Sandkorn: sdafg: check http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F  it should answer some of your questions :-)
2012-10-11 11:35:51 arkhisaway: sdafg: Webplatform is dealing with W3C standards…
2012-10-11 11:36:36 sdafg: Why games on flash good aceleration and many FPS, and games on JavaScript/CSS/HTML low FPS?
2012-10-11 11:36:46 sdafg: ark
2012-10-11 11:36:47 sdafg: no
2012-10-11 11:36:59 sdafg: he very slow work
2012-10-11 11:37:16 sdafg: and consorcium made new organization
2012-10-11 11:38:19 Garbee: sdafg, It really comes down to implimentation.  Adobe has had more time and is allowed to do more with their software where web standards need to be a bit more restrictive on what they do.  But that is really getting outside of the scope of this chatrooms purpose I think.
2012-10-11 11:39:16 heth: part
2012-10-11 11:39:32 sdafg: Garbee, games on JavaScript+CSS+ HTML will have good FPS?
2012-10-11 11:39:46 sdafg: or need use flash for games?
2012-10-11 11:40:03 Garbee: In the future when the standards are better yes they will get better.
2012-10-11 11:40:16 arkhisaway: sdafg: It probably depends on many things, like the browser you’re using, how the game is coded, etc…
2012-10-11 11:40:33 Garbee: You should use Flash now anyways.  Web standards don't currently fully replace what Flash can do.  So it really depends on the type of game and what you need.
2012-10-11 11:40:46 arkhisaway: but as Garbee points it out, it can only get better (if we work at it and support it)
2012-10-11 11:41:01 Garbee: Also once WebGL gets better support things should get much better.
2012-10-11 11:41:13 Garbee: I think that is one of the remaining major roadblocks.
2012-10-11 11:41:32 sdafg: JS games will have more FPS than flash games?
2012-10-11 11:41:48 Garbee: sdafg, We are people, not time travellers.
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2012-10-11 11:42:17 robertpitt_: anyone got some free time to take control over a doc ?
2012-10-11 11:42:26 robertpitt_: minification doc
2012-10-11 11:43:20 Garbee: Could you link please?  I'm having trouble finding it.
2012-10-11 11:43:22 sdafg: Gabree and WebGL its language based on JS?
2012-10-11 11:43:39 robertpitt_: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=concepts/programming/javascript/minification
2012-10-11 11:43:51 Garbee: sdafg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webgl  --All I can tell you.
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2012-10-11 11:43:59 robertpitt_: THe concept of minification in Javascript
2012-10-11 11:44:23 Garbee: Why do we need to take control?
2012-10-11 11:44:28 Garbee: There is nothing.
2012-10-11 11:44:39 robertpitt_: I was just wondering if anyone wanted to start the doc
2012-10-11 11:44:47 dontcallmeDOM: also, minification doesn't seem JavaScript-specific, is it?
2012-10-11 11:44:59 Garbee: No, minification should be more generic.
2012-10-11 11:45:05 robertpitt_: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minification_(programming)
2012-10-11 11:45:13 robertpitt_: seems like it's a term mainly used for Javascript
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2012-10-11 11:45:30 Garbee: Nah, CSS too, and I minify my HTML as well.
2012-10-11 11:45:33 arkhisaway: It’s used in CSS as well
2012-10-11 11:45:45 sdafg: if i will make game on JS, then i must learn JS, HTML, CSS. WebGL, 4 language. And if i will make game on Flash, then only one language Flash.
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2012-10-11 11:45:54 robertpitt_: Ok let me rephrase, it's a term that is mainly related to frontend development
2012-10-11 11:45:56 Garbee: sdafg, That is one of the trade-offs.
2012-10-11 11:46:26 arkhisaway: sdafg: I’m sure you have frameworks to abstract part of the work, as the Flash editor does.
2012-10-11 11:46:29 Garbee: Still how is JS minfication theory different from CSS/HTML?
2012-10-11 11:46:52 sdafg: Gabree, trade-offs? i need learn 4 language + game will have low FPS
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2012-10-11 11:47:02 Lifesnoozer: sdafg: WebGL isn't a language, it's an API for JavaScript, that that's -1
2012-10-11 11:47:10 Garbee: sdafg, There is much more to it than that.
2012-10-11 11:47:26 robertpitt_: Firstly with CSS and HTML are not obfuscated, with minifcation there is usually the aspect of variable renaming, function abstraction atc.
2012-10-11 11:47:31 Lifesnoozer: You don't HAVE to learn CSS to make a game in JS, you can add all styles to the DOM elements with JS
2012-10-11 11:47:47 Lifesnoozer: And lastly, you COULD add all the elements with JS and thus not even have to learn HTML
2012-10-11 11:48:03 Garbee: Perhaps we should make one overall minification page and if a langauge has things specific to it then we should have subpages.
2012-10-11 11:48:11 dontcallmeDOM: I guess I would put minification under "Network usage optimization", possibly under the existing "Performance" chapter of the concepts
2012-10-11 11:48:19 dontcallmeDOM: true, re specificities of JavaScript on minification
2012-10-11 11:48:26 robertpitt_: Performance seems viable
2012-10-11 11:48:51 Garbee: Yea, it is performance all around compared to just network.
2012-10-11 11:49:47 dontcallmeDOM: well, I guess it also improves memory consumption, but it doesn't make the code run faster
2012-10-11 11:50:12 robertpitt_: I use Google Closure which renames variables, remove duplicate code execution paths, reduce repetitive code as well as un-used code
2012-10-11 11:50:27 robertpitt_: Garbee, see closure compiler
2012-10-11 11:50:51 robertpitt_: there are compiling / minification processors that actually increase performance both on the network and client layer
2012-10-11 11:51:00 Garbee: Yea, so obviously JS has some special properties of minification.  But there are still more general aspects.
2012-10-11 11:51:29 sdafg: Please make a new language, an open alternative to flash. With the ability to compile. Language should be very good friends with HTML5, JS (and WebGL) and CSS.
2012-10-11 11:51:48 Garbee: sdafg, You are talking to the wrong room.
2012-10-11 11:51:49 arkhisaway: Wouldn’t there be a way to collaborate with Wikipedia for some content?
2012-10-11 11:51:59 arkhisaway: So that updates are profitable for both?
2012-10-11 11:52:03 chrismills: isn't haXe basically that?
2012-10-11 11:52:03 Garbee: This is for conversation about webplatform.org which does not deal with the standard creation process.
2012-10-11 11:52:27 sdafg: why?
2012-10-11 11:52:36 Grephix: Because #webplatform, sdafg
2012-10-11 11:52:37 sdafg: webplatform its?
2012-10-11 11:52:42 sdafg: consorcium?
2012-10-11 11:52:45 Garbee: sdafg, It is just out of the perview of the site.
2012-10-11 11:52:47 Grephix: http://webplatform.org
2012-10-11 11:52:50 robertpitt_: Garbee, we may need to debate this out with some others, I agree with your points and not sure where best to position the content
2012-10-11 11:52:53 Garbee: We are for documenting the standards, not creating them.
2012-10-11 11:53:27 Garbee: Robert, I think it is pretty much solved with one overall page for the *general* aspects/theory of minification but having sub-pages for things specific to a certain language.
2012-10-11 11:53:35 dontcallmeDOM: +1
2012-10-11 11:53:37 Garbee: The only problem is exact placement of the pages.
2012-10-11 11:53:39 sdafg: your sponsors can make it
2012-10-11 11:53:46 robertpitt_: Garbee, ok
2012-10-11 11:53:49 Garbee: sdafg, Still, not the place.
2012-10-11 11:54:10 Garbee: I really wish I had a better layout view of the current page structure.
2012-10-11 11:54:12 sdafg: :(
2012-10-11 11:54:16 sdafg: on forum maybe?
2012-10-11 11:54:33 Grephix: oh wauw, that isn't right.
2012-10-11 11:54:36 Garbee: grephix, What the hell?
2012-10-11 11:54:38 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-11 11:54:44 Grephix: Auto script went loose, sorry
2012-10-11 11:54:48 Garbee: I will break that all the time.
2012-10-11 11:54:51 ppk_: Grephix: Yes?
2012-10-11 11:54:52 Grephix: hehe
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2012-10-11 11:54:59 sdafg: lol
2012-10-11 11:55:01 sdafg: [You send 4 messages within 5 seconds, slow down! 1 minute ban.]
2012-10-11 11:55:02 Garbee: sdafg, Sorry about that.
2012-10-11 11:55:02 kallepersson: lol!
2012-10-11 11:55:05 Grephix: damn u
2012-10-11 11:55:07 Grephix: disabled.
2012-10-11 11:55:08 chrismills: sdafg sorry about that
2012-10-11 11:55:16 kallepersson: "Sorry"
2012-10-11 11:55:18 kallepersson: )
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2012-10-11 11:55:19 kallepersson: ;)
2012-10-11 11:55:22 Grephix: sdafg: give me the time to disable the script first, lol :D
2012-10-11 11:55:24 sdafg: stop it plz
2012-10-11 11:55:27 Grephix: Sorry about that mate
2012-10-11 11:55:31 robertpitt_: haha
2012-10-11 11:55:36 sdafg: i said only 2 mesages
2012-10-11 11:55:41 Grephix: True that
2012-10-11 11:55:43 Garbee: Can we call that an "alpha" bug?
2012-10-11 11:55:45 arkhisaway: sdafg: PLease be quite for a few seconds. :)
2012-10-11 11:55:52 chrismills: yes ;-)
2012-10-11 11:55:55 Garbee: sdafg, Yea, script went rouge.  Sorry about it.
2012-10-11 11:55:55 arkhisaway: Grephix is fixing the problem.
2012-10-11 11:55:58 Grephix: Garbee: definitely
2012-10-11 11:56:11 sdafg: np
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2012-10-11 11:56:25 Garbee: Grephix, The ban is gone now.  Please don't remove the one still there though.
2012-10-11 11:56:35 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:35 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:35 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:35 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:36 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:36 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:37 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:38 Grephix: I won't, I know it's gone
2012-10-11 11:56:39 robertpitt_: d
2012-10-11 11:56:41 robertpitt_: yay
2012-10-11 11:56:48 Grephix: That however was just a remainder of the timer that was automatically set ;-)
2012-10-11 11:56:54 Garbee: robert, We don't need volunteer testers.
2012-10-11 11:56:57 sdafg: ok me go on forum?
2012-10-11 11:57:04 Grephix: sdafg: for your questions?
2012-10-11 11:57:11 Garbee: sdafg, No.  This community is not currently the place for that type of work.
2012-10-11 11:57:16 sdafg: new language
2012-10-11 11:57:22 Garbee: Grephix, No, to try and get a new standard made for online games.
2012-10-11 11:57:26 sdafg: flash and unity alternative
2012-10-11 11:57:33 Grephix: Oh right
2012-10-11 11:57:36 kallepersson: part
2012-10-11 11:57:51 Grephix: I'm not sure where you can adress your question sdafg, you might get a discussion going in #web ?
2012-10-11 11:57:59 chrismills: sdafg: it would be better to find some kind of forum or contact mechanism that deals with w3c standards process, new standard suggestions, that kind of thing
2012-10-11 11:58:00 Grephix: That channel covers a wider subject
2012-10-11 11:58:15 sdafg: where i can sent mesage and all your sponsors can will see my message plz?
2012-10-11 11:58:41 dontcallmeDOM: sdafg, the W3C Games Community Group might be a good starting point for your questions http://www.w3.org/community/games/
2012-10-11 11:59:21 dontcallmeDOM: although I doubt many people would be interested in building a new language (that being said, there are frameworks out there that help harmonizing Web development)
2012-10-11 11:59:58 Garbee: Yea, JS/WebGL is the way they are going.
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2012-10-11 12:00:09 tobie: +canvas
2012-10-11 12:01:26 sdafg: Why u all talk about W3C? U know about WHATWG? W3C develop xml, they not developing HTML5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHATWG
2012-10-11 12:02:04 dontcallmeDOM: sdafg, WHATWG doesn't develop HTML5, they develop "HTML Living Standard"; W3C develops HTML5
2012-10-11 12:02:07 arkhisaway: sdafg: People in this chan are likely to know about both W3C and WHATWG. :)
2012-10-11 12:02:17 dontcallmeDOM: see https://www.w3.org/html/
2012-10-11 12:03:01 sdafg: u read wikipedia my link?
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2012-10-11 12:03:43 sdafg: The reason for creating such a community is the lack of interest in HTML and apparent disregard for the real needs of the users of the W3C, which for a long time refused to HTML in favor of XML.
2012-10-11 12:03:54 sdafg: autotranslate rus wiki
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2012-10-11 12:04:27 dontcallmeDOM: sdafg, I think that discussion remains out of scope of this channel
2012-10-11 12:04:45 swain: Hello everybody.
2012-10-11 12:04:53 sdafg: i can into
2012-10-11 12:05:04 sdafg: cosw it about W3C
2012-10-11 12:05:18 Garbee: sdafg, Yea, this is going nowhere even slower now.  Point:  That is out of the scope of this channel and community, you should address the proper places.  ie. http://www.w3.org/community/games/  .  So, this conversation should be over at this point.
2012-10-11 12:05:59 sdafg: http://www.whatwg.org/
2012-10-11 12:06:17 dontcallmeDOM: sdafg, feel free to bring your ideas or questions to the WHATWG as well (or instead)
2012-10-11 12:06:44 robertpitt_: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
2012-10-11 12:07:00 chrismills: sdafg a lot has happened since the XHTML thing - W3C is now supporting HTML, and has devrel activities to support the needs of debs, users, etc. You sound like you have missed the last 5 years ;-) And besides, this is all out of scope. There are other channels to talk about standards work and HTML versus XHTML. or W3C versus WHATWG. This is not it. This is for conversations about webplatform.org, the new W3C documentation site.
2012-10-11 12:07:18 chrismills: s/debs/devs
2012-10-11 12:07:49 sdafg: chris XHTML is death today
2012-10-11 12:07:58 sdafg: now HTML5
2012-10-11 12:08:07 sdafg: born
2012-10-11 12:08:23 Garbee: XHTML still has some usage reasons, but overall most people don't need it.
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2012-10-11 12:08:41 Garbee: http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/xhtml5
2012-10-11 12:08:42 chrismills: you can still do XHTML in HTML5 - the markup style you choose is your choice
2012-10-11 12:09:06 sdafg: XHTML has never been claimed.
2012-10-11 12:10:16 sdafg: i think developers must diasble all fuctons of XHTML in new HTML5
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2012-10-11 12:10:19 chrismills: Anyway, this discussion is over now
2012-10-11 12:10:26 arkhisaway: sdafg: I invite you to join a mailing list about the topics you like in order to develop your argumentation.
2012-10-11 12:10:50 arkhisaway: endless chat about goods or bads of this or that technology is out of topic.
2012-10-11 12:11:03 chrismills: Yup. Stop now.
2012-10-11 12:11:24 sdafg: I do not like when in a language a disorder.
2012-10-11 12:11:32 Garbee: Are there any plans to work on the look of the Table of Contents in the docs?
2012-10-11 12:11:49 shepazu: Garbee: yes, I'm working on that today
2012-10-11 12:11:52 arkhisaway: sdafg: a list of those mailing lists is available here: http://lists.w3.org/
2012-10-11 12:12:20 Garbee: Cool, thanks shepazu.
2012-10-11 12:12:26 chrismills: shepazu: good man! And good morning hope you are well.
2012-10-11 12:12:37 sdafg: w3c not develop html5 in real
2012-10-11 12:12:53 Garbee: sdafg, That is out of the scope of this channel.
2012-10-11 12:12:58 sdafg: they have no real weight
2012-10-11 12:13:02 sdafg: щл
2012-10-11 12:13:05 sdafg: ok
2012-10-11 12:13:37 shepazu: mornig
2012-10-11 12:13:51 arkhisaway: evenig shepazu
2012-10-11 12:14:02 Grephix: Hiya shepazu
2012-10-11 12:14:07 shepazu: sdafg: please stop trolling, or I will kick you from the channel
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2012-10-11 12:14:17 sdafg: hm and where WebGL docs? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript
2012-10-11 12:14:29 shepazu: arkhisaway, Grephix, moin
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2012-10-11 12:14:44 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/webgl
2012-10-11 12:14:52 Grephix: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/webgl
2012-10-11 12:14:56 Grephix: Oh right
2012-10-11 12:15:10 chrismills: shepazu: I was thinking if we can attach a heading property or some such thing to each page, to say what heading a page should appear under on a page when the list is generated, we could easily generate a nice structured layout
2012-10-11 12:15:25 chrismills: shepazu: but I bet you're already 4 steps ahead ;-)
2012-10-11 12:15:32 sdafg: she you can think about me anything, no carious
2012-10-11 12:15:57 sdafg: thx for links
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2012-10-11 12:17:00 Garbee: chrismills, I'm lost.  Heading to do what?  Start generating the ToC?
2012-10-11 12:17:02 sdafg: i not see link on wiki on genereal site
2012-10-11 12:17:21 Garbee: sdafg, You need to search for it right now.  The site is alpha and things including navigation is still being worked on.
2012-10-11 12:17:32 Garbee: is should be are^^
2012-10-11 12:17:36 sdafg: and i not see links on WebGL in docs and in docs JS
2012-10-11 12:17:38 Garbee: the second one anyways.
2012-10-11 12:17:40 arkhisaway: sdafg: What are you looking for exactly?
2012-10-11 12:17:53 Garbee: arkhisaway, Just complaining about the current navigation.
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2012-10-11 12:18:12 arkhi: I’m not away, doh. :)
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2012-10-11 12:18:39 chrismills: Garbee: working out a better way to auto generate TOCs for the articles.
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2012-10-11 12:19:04 Garbee: chrismills, It is really up to the content creators to put the proper levels in place.  It is auto-generated by those.
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2012-10-11 12:19:27 chrismills: Garbee currently that big ugly list you see at the bottom of some pages, e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html is what you get
2012-10-11 12:19:29 Garbee: That is how MediaWiki works by default, not sure if you guys changed it though.
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2012-10-11 12:20:27 Garbee: The categories section at the bottom?
2012-10-11 12:20:27 chrismills: when you use, for example
2012-10-11 12:20:28 chrismills: {{Special:PrefixIndex/html/}}
2012-10-11 12:20:32 chrismills: yup
2012-10-11 12:20:45 sdafg: Articles (docs, tutorials) can do make registered person?
2012-10-11 12:20:49 Garbee: I don't see a major problem with that.
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2012-10-11 12:20:53 sdafg: any reg person?
2012-10-11 12:21:05 Garbee: sdafg, You need to register in order to edit, but you can view for free.
2012-10-11 12:21:12 shepazu: chrismills: this is one of the things we should get for free from using Semantic MediaWiki and topics/categories
2012-10-11 12:21:16 dontcallmeDOM: and yes, any registered person can edit
2012-10-11 12:21:19 Garbee: Well, view w/o an account.  free is everything.
2012-10-11 12:21:30 chrismills: shepazu: uh huh
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2012-10-11 12:23:18 Garbee: Although the "Index of HTML topics" needs to be worked on.
2012-10-11 12:23:38 Richard_Ainz__: hmm, indeed
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2012-10-11 12:24:07 sdafg: On site will be small tutorialselves of languages?
2012-10-11 12:24:11 _WiZZarD: chrismills: nonconsistent naming of pages, you want that here, or in bugzilla?
2012-10-11 12:24:30 chrismills: bugzilla, please ;-)
2012-10-11 12:24:38 arkhi: sdafg: There should be, yes.
2012-10-11 12:24:42 Richard_Ainz__: everything to bugzilla
2012-10-11 12:24:50 Richard_Ainz__: jut like a support ticket system
2012-10-11 12:24:53 _WiZZarD shoves his lunch to bugzilla
2012-10-11 12:24:58 sdafg: ok thx
2012-10-11 12:25:10 arkhi: sdafg: The whole website is in alpha stage for now, so as you can see by the discussion here, a lot still needs to be done. :)
2012-10-11 12:25:12 sdafg: maybe i add about HTML
2012-10-11 12:25:47 sdafg: "HTML5 in one day"
2012-10-11 12:26:08 Richard_Ainz__: in one day?
2012-10-11 12:26:10 Garbee: How do you organize that many links though?  An accordion could work but then for attributes you get one massive dropdown anyways.  And you can't really do alphabetical since some may not know what they are looking for exactly.
2012-10-11 12:26:12 Richard_Ainz__: I need to read that
2012-10-11 12:26:22 sdafg: yes
2012-10-11 12:26:31 chrismills: Garbee it is a challenge
2012-10-11 12:26:32 arkhi: Most of the work for now is to clean everything, because all the content comes from different resources like Mozilla Developer Network, Microsoft, Opera, etc.
2012-10-11 12:26:33 sdafg: or 10 hours maybe
2012-10-11 12:26:39 Richard_Ainz__: guys tomorrow i will excel in 5
2012-10-11 12:26:45 Richard_Ainz__: hehe
2012-10-11 12:26:51 chrismills: ;-)
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2012-10-11 12:27:05 Garbee: chrismills, I'm going to work on this outline for dev tools a bit, then I will play around with possible ways of dealing with it and see if I can't find a resonable solution to be worked on.
2012-10-11 12:27:14 chrismills: cool, thanks.
2012-10-11 12:27:16 arkhi: Garbee: datalist? :)
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2012-10-11 12:27:32 arkhi: datalist with select as fallback
2012-10-11 12:27:35 Garbee: arkhi, uh... Let me get back to you?
2012-10-11 12:27:58 arkhi: That is still one huge list.
2012-10-11 12:28:10 arkhi: and a form instead of links…
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2012-10-11 12:28:18 Garbee: An accordion is nice to hide it, but then you do attributes and you get one hell of a list.
2012-10-11 12:28:43 Garbee: I want to handle it right so you don't get overloaded.
2012-10-11 12:29:10 richardainz|work: how about attributes as a readmore link on another page?
2012-10-11 12:29:29 Garbee: I don't think another page would really solve the problem.  Just delay it one page.
2012-10-11 12:29:48 richardainz|work: subaccordeons?
2012-10-11 12:30:05 sdafg: I'm here sometimes see a horizontal line. What is this?
2012-10-11 12:30:11 Garbee: Problem with that is organizing them.  What if someone doesn't know what they are looking for?
2012-10-11 12:30:27 Garbee: sdafg, Heading breakers.  Just prominent content sections.
2012-10-11 12:30:36 richardainz|work: well, you cant realy prdict that, that would be for the search engine
2012-10-11 12:30:38 _WiZZarD: Oh, btw. What shall I do with feature requests / bugs in Q&A. Throw them to the bugzilla as well?
2012-10-11 12:30:41 Garbee: Well, that is what most of them should be.
2012-10-11 12:30:46 richardainz|work: bugzilla
2012-10-11 12:30:58 sdafg: thx
2012-10-11 12:31:02 Garbee: _WiZZarD, Yea, at this point just ignore the bug part of bugzilla.
2012-10-11 12:31:29 sdafg: and ne more question
2012-10-11 12:31:34 _WiZZarD was allready thinking of calling it 'Zilla' instead ;)
2012-10-11 12:32:51 _WiZZarD adds it to his todo list
2012-10-11 12:32:53 Garbee: sdafg, No need to announce questions or ask to ask, just put it out.
2012-10-11 12:32:58 sdafg: U know here many different Web operation sistems in internet, they made on Java language. Can i make OS on JavaScript+HTML5+CSS?
2012-10-11 12:33:00 _WiZZarD: good for later tonight when i get home
2012-10-11 12:33:24 dontcallmeDOM: sdafg, see Tizen or Firefox OS
2012-10-11 12:33:42 richardainz|work: sdafg avoid java if you can
2012-10-11 12:33:55 sdafg: dont no u not undestand me
2012-10-11 12:34:03 Garbee: sdafg, You *could* possibly, but it would not have near as many functions.  Java has much more access to a host OSes resources than JS does.
2012-10-11 12:34:33 Garbee: I get it, and the basic answer is too much work to be worthwhile for not enough functionality.
2012-10-11 12:34:43 sdafg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EyeOS
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2012-10-11 12:36:27 sdafg: InternetOS can work just in your browser
2012-10-11 12:36:45 sdafg: i cant make it in JS ? :(
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2012-10-11 12:37:02 sdafg: on JS
2012-10-11 12:37:06 richardainz|work: that would be a lot of JS, no?
2012-10-11 12:37:20 Garbee: sdafg, This is once again getting out of the scope of this chatroom.
2012-10-11 12:37:35 Garbee: Hop into #javascript or ##javascript to go into more detail about that.
2012-10-11 12:37:59 sdafg: oh please maybe any know this
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2012-10-11 12:38:46 Garbee: sdafg, Unless it is specifically about webplatform.org, it is out of the scope of this chatroom.  Please find an appropriate room to ask other questions in.
2012-10-11 12:38:57 sdafg: Garbee its one channel?
2012-10-11 12:39:16 Garbee: What is?
2012-10-11 12:39:44 arkhi: chrismills: got your email and have no other feedback than “well done” and “thanks” so far. :)
2012-10-11 12:39:56 chrismills: arkhi: np ;-)
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2012-10-11 12:41:22 sdafg: Gabree no there are no humans
2012-10-11 12:41:27 sdafg: on JS channel
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2012-10-11 12:41:33 arkhi: sdafg: Please type "/join ##javascript" to join the appropriate chan to discuss about your topic.
2012-10-11 12:41:34 arkhi: The questions you’re asking here about JS or OS are not relevant and are more likely to disturb conversations.
2012-10-11 12:41:40 Garbee: sdafg, That is not our problem.
2012-10-11 12:41:44 arkhi: Ha… You did. :)
2012-10-11 12:42:06 chrismills: miketaylr - 'sup dude!
2012-10-11 12:42:17 arkhi: The questions you’re asking … disturb conversations HERE.
2012-10-11 12:42:37 arkhi: Elsehow, they might make more sense somewhere else. :)
2012-10-11 12:42:49 arkhi: You will probably find a better support there as well.
2012-10-11 12:42:49 Garbee: Lets just end it and if they start going off-topic like that again kick them.
2012-10-11 12:42:54 miketaylr: heya chrismills
2012-10-11 12:43:01 miketaylr: :)
2012-10-11 12:43:39 chrismills: Garbee: agreed
2012-10-11 12:44:53 _WiZZarD can feel his kicking finger tickle
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2012-10-11 12:45:26 arkhi: I don’t want to see this happening, so I leave now.
2012-10-11 12:45:29 arkhi: ::)
2012-10-11 12:45:34 arkhi: Gotta go…
2012-10-11 12:45:48 _WiZZarD: whehe
2012-10-11 12:45:50 Grephix`dev: cya arkhi mate
2012-10-11 12:45:54 arkhi: hqve fun
2012-10-11 12:45:54 _WiZZarD is very gentle
2012-10-11 12:45:59 _WiZZarD: cya arkhi
2012-10-11 12:45:59 arkhi: damn azerty
2012-10-11 12:46:04 arkhi: have fun
2012-10-11 12:46:10 arkhi: part
2012-10-11 12:46:11 chrismills: bye!
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2012-10-11 12:47:58 Garbee: Do we get a copy of outgoing messages in the mailing list? (I have little mailing list experience, not sure if I sent it properly.)
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2012-10-11 12:51:59 sdafg: thx for answers!
2012-10-11 12:52:03 sdafg: bb
2012-10-11 12:52:11 sdafg: part
2012-10-11 12:52:31 Garbee: ugh, apparently not.  Oh well, hopefully that one question is all I needed to answer for it to be sent, otherwise my brain is going to flip-out on this mailing list setup.
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2012-10-11 13:04:33 _WiZZarD: lol
2012-10-11 13:05:38 Garbee: Could we get a link to the FAQ put on the frontpage of the docs?  Or perhaps even somewhere on the homepage for now while everything is still early in development?
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2012-10-11 13:09:23 chrismills: Garbee ok
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2012-10-11 13:10:14 Garbee: Thanks, I just keep seeing people ask about server-side stuff and CMSes asking if we are going to add them.  I'm hoping by making the FAQ more apparent people will read it before asking.
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2012-10-11 13:11:34 hooloovoo: How's stuff coming along?
2012-10-11 13:11:59 Garbee: hooloovoo, Stuff is moving that is for sure.
2012-10-11 13:13:04 hooloovoo: Sweet! I hope i find time to work on some articles soon.
2012-10-11 13:13:53 Garbee: Awesome.  There is plenty to be done in there.
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2012-10-11 13:14:19 chrismills: hooloovoo: nice! Please let me know if you have any questions or want any help with article writing
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2012-10-11 13:15:50 Garbee: chrismills, I actually have a good question for ya... Is there currently a page that documents how new pages should be structured?
2012-10-11 13:15:52 Garbee: Like explaining to people how to use the headings to organize pages and how people should think to organize their content.
2012-10-11 13:15:56 hooloovoo: chrismills: I'll prolly drop a article here and ask if i'm doing it right when i get started again. I started on the Javascript date object before so i'll prolly continue with that later.
2012-10-11 13:16:04 chrismills: hooloovoo:  nice
2012-10-11 13:16:06 Garbee: I think one of those could be helpful if there isn't one already.
2012-10-11 13:16:36 chrismills: Garbee: No, there isn't I'm planning on writing a guide to writing tutorials, and a guide to writing references
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2012-10-11 13:16:55 chrismills: IT is kind of said in the getting started guide, but not really
2012-10-11 13:16:59 Garbee: Ah, ok.  At least they are thought of then.
2012-10-11 13:17:10 chrismills: probably not said in enough detail anyway...
2012-10-11 13:17:27 Garbee: Yea.  I am just thinking perhaps a page to explain structure and even perhaps give a base outline that pages should use.
2012-10-11 13:17:54 Garbee: aww... I had the perfect example but the other wiki I managed has been taken offline now. :/
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2012-10-11 13:18:50 hooloovoo: Has the site dropped users or something?
2012-10-11 13:19:17 hooloovoo: Oh wait, got it working now... =P
2012-10-11 13:19:22 chrismills: ;-)
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2012-10-11 13:33:48 chrismills: link to FAQ added to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
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2012-10-11 13:34:24 Garbee: Perfect.  Thanks Chris.
2012-10-11 13:34:25 Sandkorn cheers
2012-10-11 13:34:30 _WiZZarD: <Garbee> Yea.  I am just thinking perhaps a page to explain structure and even perhaps give a base outline that pages should use.  < second that
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2012-10-11 13:35:28 Nick_Zaccardi: Good morning WP
2012-10-11 13:35:36 Garbee: _WiZZarD, Getting one I made for Dokuwiki and will convert into Mediawiki (not sure much change is needed) and edit to what I think we need as far as content filler (outline) and then go from there finalizing it.
2012-10-11 13:35:46 _WiZZarD: kewl
2012-10-11 13:35:52 Garbee: I mainly need to wait for the admin of the other site to add the DNS record and get that resolved. :/
2012-10-11 13:36:08 _WiZZarD: other than that, just keep watching new pages to be "correctly formatted"
2012-10-11 13:36:12 Garbee: But, it is possible for me to get it so I will since that is already a pretty nice base and outline.
2012-10-11 13:36:55 Garbee: Yea, I'm not even watching new pages overall right now.  I'm planning them ;).  But having an outline for pages will have a super impact on speed of adding them and keeping them somewhat regular.
2012-10-11 13:37:47 Garbee: I'm still trying to figure out the proper setup for certain things in the dev tools stuff I'm planning.  I think I'm going to install mediawiki locally and do actual testing here to see how things will act.
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2012-10-11 13:45:41 NotTomato: Good morning.
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2012-10-11 13:45:54 Garbee: Mornin;
2012-10-11 13:46:28 Sandkorn: i'll call it an early day.. later folks :)
2012-10-11 13:46:37 Grephix`dev: Cya Sandkorn
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2012-10-11 13:47:07 Grephix`dev: [15:38:38] <@chrismills> link to FAQ added to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
2012-10-11 13:47:43 Grephix`dev: It was already only 3 centimeters below the added 'FAQ' link ;-)
2012-10-11 13:47:47 Grephix`dev: 'Join our forums'
2012-10-11 13:50:58 WesleyL: in the menu, it says "Q&A" on every page, except for when you're actually on that page the label says "Forums"
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2012-10-11 13:52:16 Garbee: WesleyL, Yes, Q&A is replacing Forums as the link.  It is taking time to get around to all the other pages.
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2012-10-11 13:52:25 Garbee: Chat actually has Q&A as well.
2012-10-11 13:52:53 WesleyL: yeah, the only one I see forums on is the actualy Q&A page itsself
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2012-10-11 13:53:35 Garbee: It is just taking time to aggregate.  The setup is kinda weird especially with all the caching going on.
2012-10-11 13:53:47 Garbee: Eventually things will get faster though.
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2012-10-11 13:54:53 NotTomato: garbee, uguu. ;;
2012-10-11 13:55:19 NotTomato: Has anyone seen Waldir?
2012-10-11 13:55:19 Garbee: The ; was supposed to be a '.
2012-10-11 13:55:39 Garbee: I thought that would be obvious and putting '* didn't make any real sense.
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2012-10-11 13:56:08 NotTomato: Should I add myself to the list of volunteer moderators?
2012-10-11 13:56:45 chrismills: NotTomato: hey! Please do ;-)
2012-10-11 13:57:01 chrismills: you have been highly recommended a couple of times today
2012-10-11 13:57:05 Grephix`dev: In that case
2012-10-11 13:57:06 Garbee: Shouldn't that section be protected so random users can't add themselves?
2012-10-11 13:57:10 Grephix`dev: That would make more sence.
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2012-10-11 14:00:39 vivien_adnot: hey
2012-10-11 14:00:56 vivien_adnot: webplatform.org is a great idea =)
2012-10-11 14:01:16 _WiZZarD: (:
2012-10-11 14:01:46 Grephix`dev: Hi vivien_adnot
2012-10-11 14:02:16 Garbee: If it isn't a good idea then I'm in the wrong place...
2012-10-11 14:02:28 _WiZZarD: same here
2012-10-11 14:02:38 Grephix`dev: Hehe Garbee, full of yourself? ;-)
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2012-10-11 14:03:27 Garbee: Grephix`dev, ?
2012-10-11 14:05:55 Grephix`dev: Garbee: only being here because it's a gread idea :>
2012-10-11 14:06:20 Garbee: Grephix`dev, Well, if it weren't then what would the point in hanging out and contributing be?
2012-10-11 14:06:25 chrismills: Garbee protecting….
2012-10-11 14:06:40 Grephix`dev: True, true
2012-10-11 14:07:36 Garbee: chris, Where was that supposed to go?
2012-10-11 14:08:01 Garbee: You just let the mind wander but mine apparently can't follow.
2012-10-11 14:08:22 chrismills: Garbee: I saw you comment earlier - I've now protected the volunteer moderator page…and added NotTomato ;-)
2012-10-11 14:08:27 Garbee: Oh.
2012-10-11 14:08:33 Garbee: That protect.
2012-10-11 14:09:32 chrismills: aye ;-)
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2012-10-11 14:10:14 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1912/how-can-we-make-the-q%26a-forums-more-useful   ---Wow, I was going to send an email to the list about this same thing.  So instead, please chat here with your thoughts if you have the time.
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2012-10-11 14:11:53 NotTomato: wah someone edited before me and i lost all my formatting, oops.
2012-10-11 14:12:16 Grephix`dev: Garbee: I totally agree with your comment
2012-10-11 14:12:32 Garbee: I know there is more that I want to say then just that, but for right now that is enough.
2012-10-11 14:12:56 Garbee: There are a few more things as far as what questions should be asked vs shouldn't, but to fully elaborate I just don't have the time.
2012-10-11 14:13:03 Grephix`dev: There's always more, guidelines however should be short and to the point to make sure everyone reeds them
2012-10-11 14:13:12 Garbee: So, I will add more later.
2012-10-11 14:13:18 Grephix`dev: s/reed/read
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2012-10-11 14:13:49 Garbee: Yea, I think we just need to have it so when you go to submit a question it just has a line to please read asking guidelines.  That would be sufficient.
2012-10-11 14:14:03 Grephix`dev: Garbee: shouldn't we consider having a small div scrolling out as soon as someone clicks the 'ask a question' input box stating just that?
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2012-10-11 14:14:15 Grephix`dev: Short and to-the-point guidelines reminding users of the most basis version of our policy?
2012-10-11 14:14:19 Garbee: Then we as a community need to get peer pressure going on what to do when answering a question.
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2012-10-11 14:14:34 Grephix`dev: +1
2012-10-11 14:14:43 Garbee: I wouldn't want it to be something that people *need* to go through to ask.
2012-10-11 14:14:52 Garbee: I feel that is a bit intrusive, especially for those who ask a lot.
2012-10-11 14:15:14 Garbee: People should just respect the asking guidelines or have their question flagged and eventually pulled down.
2012-10-11 14:15:18 Grephix`dev: One might implement the option to actually remember a user has agreed with those terms, cookiewise
2012-10-11 14:15:23 Grephix`dev: true
2012-10-11 14:15:30 Garbee: Cookies go away after a while.
2012-10-11 14:15:57 Garbee: Perhaps tieing some kind of system into the user system itself so you agree once and it sticks to your user.  Putting something within you user cookie to check against would suffice.
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2012-10-11 14:16:28 Garbee: But that is adding onto the backend user system which they are already having some issues with SSO.  So that needs to wait until things calm down before even thinking about adding.
2012-10-11 14:16:53 Grephix`dev: True, keeping track of a wishlist might be a good idea.
2012-10-11 14:17:00 Grephix`dev: We wouldn't want good ideas to be wasted.
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2012-10-11 14:17:10 Garbee: Yea...  The only problem is where.
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2012-10-11 14:18:27 _WiZZarD: bugzilla
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2012-10-11 14:18:44 _WiZZarD: create 2 categories: 1) bugs, 2) feature requests
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2012-10-11 14:20:12 _WiZZarD: or actually
2012-10-11 14:20:27 _WiZZarD: create a new severity, named enhancement (oslt)
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2012-10-11 14:20:45 _WiZZarD: that way you can easily seperate feature requests from regular bugs
2012-10-11 14:20:56 Garbee: I'm down with that.
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2012-10-11 14:21:39 _WiZZarD: hm
2012-10-11 14:21:42 _WiZZarD checks
2012-10-11 14:21:47 _WiZZarD: thats allready there
2012-10-11 14:21:50 _WiZZarD: *done*
2012-10-11 14:21:53 _WiZZarD: :D
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2012-10-11 14:22:50 Garbee: Ok, here is something I think we need to solve... Since the IRC is not for general support (Yay) should we let the Q&A be for it?  I think things like this are better left in StackOverflow:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1562/upload-and-preview-the-xml-file-text-area-internet-explorer?show=1719#a1719
2012-10-11 14:22:57 eternicode: yeah, the bug tracker already has "enhancement" as the lowest severity.  filed one of those yesterday.
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2012-10-11 14:24:30 _WiZZarD: eternicode: good. if I have time I'll see if I can sort all open tickets under WP later tonight
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2012-10-11 14:25:22 _WiZZarD: Garbee: as long as questions are about web standards or on how to correctly implement them I don't see a problem with that
2012-10-11 14:25:37 _WiZZarD: this specific topic however might be a tad too in-dept for WP
2012-10-11 14:26:01 NotTomato: I put up my ideas for down voting and flagging rules, really the only thing I care about because people use it incorrectly. ):
2012-10-11 14:27:12 Garbee: Yea, trying to figure out what things should mean, like using <section> vs <article> is fine.  But this is kinda too specific in support to me.
2012-10-11 14:27:49 Garbee: NotTomato, Like " 3. Downvote and flag answers on crappy questions  " which was suggested in the first answer?
2012-10-11 14:28:02 Garbee: I think that is an improper use.
2012-10-11 14:28:15 NotTomato: Yeah it is.
2012-10-11 14:28:20 NotTomato: That is bias opinion.
2012-10-11 14:29:05 NotTomato: I always approve badly written questions, it doesn't matter if the user sucks at typing, it just matters what the information is. Lol.
2012-10-11 14:29:29 Garbee: Yea.  My only thing is upvoting questions.  I don't see where I would ever do that unless it is an idea for the site and I support it.
2012-10-11 14:29:33 mdel: mornin folks
2012-10-11 14:29:43 NotTomato: Hi mdel.
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2012-10-11 14:29:55 _WiZZarD: true, thats something that should be worked out
2012-10-11 14:29:58 _WiZZarD: morning mdel
2012-10-11 14:30:26 _WiZZarD: It's just rather difficult to come up with a model that everybody likes i guess ;)
2012-10-11 14:31:01 Garbee: Yea, just like bug reporting.
2012-10-11 14:31:06 Garbee: Some are upset that it requires yet another account.
2012-10-11 14:32:01 _WiZZarD: boohoo .. then don't report it, but complain here so a op will do it for you
2012-10-11 14:32:15 Garbee: Well, some don't come into chat.
2012-10-11 14:32:30 Garbee: And they report via the Q&A, which they seem to actually not want to do since they know it isn't the proper place.
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2012-10-11 14:33:04 _WiZZarD: I don't mind it there .. If there would be a proper way for moderators to trash those q&a items after filing a bugzilla report
2012-10-11 14:33:12 _WiZZarD: or at least close it indefinite
2012-10-11 14:33:12 meda: Garbee, wouldn't you upvote something that has been downvoted by someone else, if you disagreed with the downvote?
2012-10-11 14:33:13 Garbee: I actually am all for *eventually* getting the bug tracker on-site and integrated with the SSO.  But for now having it at w3 works and doesn't add complexity that we don't need.
2012-10-11 14:34:04 Garbee: meda, It doens't matter if I disagree with the vote but on the content.  If I think it is good content I vote up, otherwise I vote down.  If I just don't agree with someone elses view but I can't make a decision on the content, I leave it alone.
2012-10-11 14:34:11 Garbee: doesn't*
2012-10-11 14:34:30 NotTomato: Garbee, is your forum account admin?
2012-10-11 14:34:47 Garbee: NotTomato, I don't think so.
2012-10-11 14:35:17 NotTomato: When I go to sleep at night, post still get caught in the filter then left there for six hours.
2012-10-11 14:35:23 NotTomato: I was hoping someone else could watch it while I sleep.
2012-10-11 14:35:39 _WiZZarD: when do you sleep?
2012-10-11 14:35:40 _WiZZarD: ;)
2012-10-11 14:35:41 Garbee: Then like this question:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1890/split-string-java   Someone downvoting vs flagging.
2012-10-11 14:36:13 Garbee: Which also, we need to find a way to see *who* does a flag.  That way we can find abusers and end it.
2012-10-11 14:36:24 Garbee: ^^Admins need to see who flags, no one else.
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2012-10-11 14:36:31 NotTomato: Well I just woke up, but I usually go to bed at midnight, mountain time. You could even patrol the filter right now!!
2012-10-11 14:36:44 NotTomato: Stuff gets caught in there every 10 minutes or during the day when traffic is more intense.
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2012-10-11 14:37:14 meda: Yes, that is what I meant. I just worded it a bit weirdly, I guess. The reason I asked is because I'm wonder how the voting system reflects the quality of the content if there's a lot of people voting, and the vote count stays "neutral"
2012-10-11 14:37:23 NotTomato: _WiZZarD http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/admin/moderate
2012-10-11 14:37:24 eternicode: I'm +1 for going full-meta on the Q&A.  I've seen it mentioned that this seems like an effort to split the SO community -- and, while I understand that's not a goal, it could be a result if we allow dev support questions.  If we keep it to questions about the site and enhancement/bug/site-support requests, it also makes it clearer what up/downvoting means -- you dis/agree with an enhancement, you've not/also seen a bug,
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2012-10-11 14:37:26 eternicode: etc.
2012-10-11 14:38:17 Garbee: Also even questions about *content* (the point of the system)... but all this random actual tech support should be sent to SO.
2012-10-11 14:38:31 Garbee: or SE, whatever it is.
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2012-10-11 14:39:37 eternicode: well... there's programmers.stackexchange.com, but it seems a lot more philosophical.  All the actual code support happens on SO.
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2012-10-11 14:40:01 Boldfish: Is the Q&A solely for questions about the Web Platform Docs then?
2012-10-11 14:40:03 Garbee: Yea, let me amend my post real quick with that...
2012-10-11 14:40:08 _WiZZarD: Can't help there yet ;)
2012-10-11 14:40:24 Garbee: Boldfish, It is soley about webplatform.org and related stuff.  Not for tech support on getting your code working.
2012-10-11 14:40:26 NotTomato: Darn _WiZZarD, maybe I can coax shepazu in promoting more volunteer admins today.
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2012-10-11 14:40:40 NotTomato: So you can see it too
2012-10-11 14:40:49 _WiZZarD: meanwhile , I'll just sit back and chill
2012-10-11 14:40:50 Boldfish: Then it needs to say that somewhere visible, very soon...
2012-10-11 14:40:52 mdel: can someone delete my answer here: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1890/split-string-java?state=edit-1925
2012-10-11 14:40:56 _WiZZarD: see you guys getting stressed ;)
2012-10-11 14:40:58 mdel: twas' testing something
2012-10-11 14:41:19 Garbee: NotTomato, I don't think we should actually *ask* for admins.  We should sit back and watch who is trying to contribute and then ask if they want to moderate.
2012-10-11 14:41:29 NotTomato: If you just spammed characters, I already deleted it.
2012-10-11 14:41:40 Garbee: That way we don't have just random people trying to get Moderation privs.  It is people we see are trying to do good work.
2012-10-11 14:41:43 NotTomato: Oh you mean the whole question?
2012-10-11 14:41:53 mdel: NotTomato: yeah that was me
2012-10-11 14:41:57 shepazu: Garbee: yeah, I'm down with that
2012-10-11 14:42:10 Boldfish: I'd sort of formed the impression it might be the place to ask questions about why certain web things were a particular way - e.g. to foster discussion on *why*, not how...
2012-10-11 14:42:31 Garbee: Boldfish, It can be.   It just isn't for "How do I get X to work, here is my code."
2012-10-11 14:42:34 NotTomato: Well, people who are already OPs in IRC, I guess I assumed they are trustworthy enough to watch the filter on the Q&A.
2012-10-11 14:42:52 shepazu: Garbee: why isn't it for that?
2012-10-11 14:42:57 Boldfish: Understand that - it makes sense - there are olaces like doctype.com for that
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2012-10-11 14:43:07 Boldfish: BUt why couldn't it be?
2012-10-11 14:43:35 Boldfish: if WPD is the single source for all things web, wouldn't it help to get answers for problems there too?
2012-10-11 14:43:39 Garbee: shepazu, SO and SE and related things are for that kind of support.  Just like the IRC is not for that kind of support we should extend it across the entire community.  Otherwise we have certain areas that allow X and others that don't which makes it confusing.
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2012-10-11 14:44:53 shepazu: personally, I intended all these public places to allow for questions about web development… not sure why people are trying to turn them into meta-conversations on the webplatform.org site
2012-10-11 14:45:14 Garbee: Our goal is to document the platform and help increase everyones *understanding* of the platform.  Tech support for things is best left to communities either specific to the issue or who as a a whole do that kind of support.  We already don't do general support here, so that should expand everywhere.
2012-10-11 14:45:20 Boldfish: @shepazu - I'd prefer that approach
2012-10-11 14:45:25 Brodingo: part
2012-10-11 14:45:54 Boldfish: @garbee, isn't that the meta Q&A forum, which you don't yet have?
2012-10-11 14:46:17 Boldfish: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/the-7-essential-meta-questions-of-every-beta/
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2012-10-11 14:46:23 Garbee: Boldfish, I don't quite understand.
2012-10-11 14:46:25 eternicode: without direction, people have been making due with the "meta" tag so far :3
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2012-10-11 14:46:31 eternicode: to a degree, anyway
2012-10-11 14:46:31 mdel: there are already tons of places to get someone to look at your code... Q&A here seems best suited for questions related to the theory and best-practices behind webdev concepts
2012-10-11 14:46:48 shepazu: Garbee: who says we don't answer dev questions here?
2012-10-11 14:46:55 Boldfish: @mdel - that makes sense
2012-10-11 14:47:18 shepazu: I don't think that's reached consensus, and as the person who set up this channel, it's not my preference
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2012-10-11 14:47:57 Garbee: shepazu, Apparently Paul, divya, and others have already showed signs of not wanting it to be general dev support.  And you are exactly right, we don't have a consensus yet which we need to reach.
2012-10-11 14:48:10 Boldfish: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1902/what-constitutes-an-on-topic-question-here?show=1904#a1904
2012-10-11 14:48:23 eternicode: no consensus -> discussion :D
2012-10-11 14:48:29 Boldfish: maybe some answers there might help shape the forums?
2012-10-11 14:49:23 Boldfish: My reading of the way cmmunities form is that they shape themsleves *unless* there's a strong force to moderate them in a particular way.
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2012-10-11 14:50:10 Boldfish: If *everyone* wants to ask dev questions *and* other people answer them, don't you then have a perfect balance of docuemtation and pragmatic advis?
2012-10-11 14:50:44 mdel: i cant see this being useful if general code questions are allowed
2012-10-11 14:51:00 shepazu: Paul and divya have their opinions, which are certain valid, but they don't have any higher status on this project than anyone else
2012-10-11 14:51:11 mdel: its going to be a moderation nightmare, and we're going to get a ton of crap questions llike "how do i use array??"
2012-10-11 14:51:27 shepazu: mdel: how is it useful if  code questions aren't allowed?
2012-10-11 14:51:49 shepazu: what do you see as the role of the Q&A in 3 months, mdel?
2012-10-11 14:51:50 mdel: because this is about the web as a platform, not about "how do I make website"
2012-10-11 14:51:51 NotTomato: mdel, it's not too much of a nightmare.
2012-10-11 14:51:58 Garbee: My thinking is there are specific places to get support like that, why should we become just yet another one?  Lets have people go to the specific places for their topic (like ##javascript or #html5) and lets focus on our documentation.
2012-10-11 14:51:58 Boldfish: YOu have to allow how do I implement "x" questions
2012-10-11 14:52:10 mdel: and yes, there are already very specific places for  that type of support
2012-10-11 14:52:30 mdel: so unless this site is competing with SO, then SPECIFIC code questions should not be allowed
2012-10-11 14:52:30 Boldfish: You'll find that lots of the community will provide answers, it's not a moderation *problem* unless you decide their off-topic!
2012-10-11 14:52:38 shepazu: sorry, but #html5 isn't much of a help channel, maybe ##javascript is...
2012-10-11 14:53:05 eternicode: also #webdev, #html, #css
2012-10-11 14:53:08 tobie: if we want to answer dev questions on irc, then we will need another channel for people actually doing work on #webplatform
2012-10-11 14:53:24 Boldfish: seems to me that IRC is the meta channel and the Q&A forums *are* for how do I type questions as well...
2012-10-11 14:53:27 eternicode: #html was good help when I frequented it -- although that was a while back
2012-10-11 14:53:44 NotTomato: The flags do a pretty good job of showing bad content, usually people will flag anything that is off-topic and someone who is a moderator doesn't even have to look for it.
2012-10-11 14:53:58 NotTomato: It's not really a moderation issue because the community watches the off-topic lost like hawks.
2012-10-11 14:53:59 Boldfish: <@tobie> if we want to answer dev questions on irc - I wasn't proposing that...
2012-10-11 14:54:06 NotTomato: post*
2012-10-11 14:54:18 eternicode: Boldfish, as I see it, IRC has the same barrier to entry as the bugtracker -- "yet another ID and password"
2012-10-11 14:54:30 tobie: Boldfish: my bad
2012-10-11 14:54:36 eternicode: granted, you can come on as anonymous/Guest123456
2012-10-11 14:54:47 Boldfish: Also it requires a personal exposure!
2012-10-11 14:54:54 Garbee: Boldfish, We need to decide if it is to be allowed globally.  We shouldn't splinter and let one area be for certain content yet another it is voodoo.
2012-10-11 14:55:00 Nick_Zaccardi: I am trying to catch up on the conversation.  is that question, "Should we provide help for 'how do i do...' questions?"
2012-10-11 14:55:07 shepazu: tobie, that's what #webplatform-dev was meant for… but we need to build the community a bit first before splitting it, I think
2012-10-11 14:55:08 Nick_Zaccardi: the question*
2012-10-11 14:55:29 tobie: possibly, we also risk loosing people.
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2012-10-11 14:55:44 _WiZZarD: eternicode: irc has no such barrier
2012-10-11 14:55:45 mdel: i really think the purpose of this project needs to be defined better, if this is where the conversation is about the Q&A
2012-10-11 14:55:46 eternicode: Nick_Zaccardi, basically, yes.  Do we want to allow specific dev support on the Q&A, rather than meta-only
2012-10-11 14:55:59 _WiZZarD: all you have to do is pick a temporary nick and use the webchat
2012-10-11 14:55:59 Garbee: Another issue I see is the fact that it just launched.  So ofc people will jump in and ask questions and then most of us being nice people will want to answer.  But, overall right now our main focus should be the content, not all this support people want to bring in.
2012-10-11 14:56:00 Boldfish: I'm new, but I think not answering how do I implement what I just read in the docs questions is going to kill any community involvement very quickly
2012-10-11 14:56:12 mdel: either the site is for the theory and best-practices, or it is like a webdevelopment SO with forums
2012-10-11 14:56:27 eternicode: _WiZZarD, the more I tihnk about it, the more I realize I was wrong XD
2012-10-11 14:56:39 shepazu: eternicode: wrong about what?
2012-10-11 14:56:58 eternicode: shepazu, IRC having a similar barrier to entry to the bug tracker (yet another account)
2012-10-11 14:57:06 Garbee: Boldfish, If it is relating to the docs, yes it is allowed since that can help us make docs clearer.
2012-10-11 14:57:13 Nick_Zaccardi: This morning, I was on the #python channel and I had a question about Flash. I went to #pocoo and ask... no answer, then i went to #python and asked.  The person who responded and I went to the pocco channel and worked on it.
2012-10-11 14:57:18 Nick_Zaccardi: Couldn't we do that?
2012-10-11 14:57:41 Nick_Zaccardi: Allow people to ask questions, then when we want to help, bring them to the appropriate channel>
2012-10-11 14:57:43 Boldfish: I was hoping for a reference resource and a clarifying community - not everyone reads a dry spec and gets it, so how do I use <aside> would be a reasonable discussion woulnd't it?
2012-10-11 14:57:57 mdel: yes of course
2012-10-11 14:58:00 shepazu: Boldfish: I think so
2012-10-11 14:58:07 mdel: but not "here's my html, why is my aside not working"
2012-10-11 14:58:13 Nick_Zaccardi: Flash == Flask*
2012-10-11 14:58:15 tobie: Are we talking about irc, here? or Q&A?
2012-10-11 14:58:16 Garbee: Boldfish, Yes, that would be reasonable.  That is not a supers-specific thing.  It leaves room for a very broad answer.
2012-10-11 14:58:18 Boldfish: I see that very specifics ike my site breaks in firefox, might be OT
2012-10-11 14:58:19 shepazu: the wiki is meant for docs, the other channel are meant for discussion
2012-10-11 14:58:35 Boldfish: maybe that's the line?
2012-10-11 14:58:47 eternicode: tobie, Q&A, IRC is kind of a related side-topic.
2012-10-11 14:58:53 Boldfish: ie. no questions with links to a site specific issue...
2012-10-11 14:59:07 shepazu: I think we need some sort of community meeting, not just ad hoc discussions
2012-10-11 14:59:08 tobie: shepazu: in which case we need an irc channel for specific work on the wiki
2012-10-11 14:59:21 NotTomato: tobie, that would be so cool.
2012-10-11 14:59:22 Garbee: shepazu, Yea, I think this is best in the Mailing List.
2012-10-11 14:59:29 shepazu: tobie:  #webplatform-dev
2012-10-11 14:59:42 Garbee: Fuller thoughts and more eyes than just whoever is here right now.
2012-10-11 14:59:47 Garbee: whomever*
2012-10-11 15:00:05 NotTomato: It would be really cool if there was a #webplatform-rc where a bot just sits there and spams recent changes.
2012-10-11 15:00:17 eternicode: haha
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2012-10-11 15:01:19 mdel: link to mailing list?
2012-10-11 15:02:05 Garbee: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2012-10-11 15:02:23 mdel: thanks
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2012-10-11 15:05:20 Boldfish: Seems to me that it's easy to answer *very* specific questions with a link to a more appropriate forum and still handle non-specific implementation questions.   To me that would be the strength of WPD - provide the detailed spec and discuss best practice and *then* update the docs with the consensus.  The main value of PHP.net docs is in the comments for example…
2012-10-11 15:06:14 mdel: Boldfish: ehh.... php.net comments are both useful, and full of the worst code examples ever
2012-10-11 15:06:39 Boldfish: I didn't say it was *good* value :)
2012-10-11 15:06:45 eternicode keepps quiet about php
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2012-10-11 15:12:02 shepazu: Boldfish: I like that
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2012-10-11 15:14:10 eternicode: "We are aiming to create an IRC bot that will pick up on common phrases and auto-generate replies" Not so sure this is a good idea -- too much potential for false positives/negatives.  A simple factoid bot with a trigger should be enough, I think.
2012-10-11 15:15:16 NotTomato: It probably will.
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2012-10-11 15:17:19 shepazu: I have to agree with eternicode here, a bit… when I'm frustrated and asking questions, and some smartass bot gives some dumb reply, it is not amusing
2012-10-11 15:18:09 tobie: !faq eternicode
2012-10-11 15:18:09 wpdbot: eternicode: FAQ can be found here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Site_FAQ.
2012-10-11 15:18:27 eternicode: yeah, like that ^
2012-10-11 15:18:55 tobie: well, help fill it in: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot
2012-10-11 15:19:17 shepazu: tobie++
2012-10-11 15:19:28 shepazu: !help
2012-10-11 15:19:29 wpdbot: I'm sorry, shepazu, I do not understand "help".
2012-10-11 15:19:29 tobie: shepazu: that doesn't work yet
2012-10-11 15:19:33 shepazu: lol
2012-10-11 15:19:44 shepazu: how do I know what it does?
2012-10-11 15:19:58 eternicode: read the source code ;D
2012-10-11 15:20:17 osnard: quit
2012-10-11 15:20:21 eternicode: tobie, does it support private messaging?
2012-10-11 15:20:23 shepazu slaps eternicode with a cod
2012-10-11 15:20:31 tobie: shepazu: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot/blob/master/commands.json
2012-10-11 15:20:51 tobie: eternicode: for what purpose
2012-10-11 15:21:14 eternicode: if I want to explore its triggers without cluttering up the channel.
2012-10-11 15:21:29 Boldfish: just added a comment on Q&A and it triggered this Your comment will be checked and approved shortly.  - is it volume/time or content related?
2012-10-11 15:21:31 tobie: think it should
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2012-10-11 15:22:05 tobie: eternicode: it does
2012-10-11 15:22:25 eternicode: I see it does, but you still have to type the ! to trigger it.  Good enough :D
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2012-10-11 15:22:39 shepazu: !ontopic
2012-10-11 15:22:39 wpdbot: shepazu: Please keep the conversation strictly on topic. Thank you.
2012-10-11 15:23:06 NotTomato: Yeah shepazu!!
2012-10-11 15:23:10 NotTomato: What the bot said!
2012-10-11 15:23:23 shepazu: wow, what a passive-aggressive bot command!
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2012-10-11 15:23:29 NotTomato: Hahaha.
2012-10-11 15:23:43 eternicode: hehe
2012-10-11 15:23:54 fr0zenice: good day :)
2012-10-11 15:24:03 NotTomato: Hi fr0zenice.
2012-10-11 15:24:06 Garbee: We don't need ontopic warnings.
2012-10-11 15:24:30 tobie: Garbee: fork the code and remove it. :)
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2012-10-11 15:24:38 tobie: I'm taking pull requests
2012-10-11 15:24:40 NotTomato: We do when that kitty person comes back in here and starts spamming meows.
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2012-10-11 15:25:29 chrismills: glad I missed that ;-)
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2012-10-11 15:26:48 hooloovoo: internet is cluttered with cat people D:
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2012-10-11 15:27:57 kranius: js is for cats
2012-10-11 15:29:03 kranius: will wpf cover topics such as coffeescript/typescript etc ?
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2012-10-11 15:29:13 kranius: erm
2012-10-11 15:29:31 Garbee: tobie, I may look into it later.  Kinda distracted atm.
2012-10-11 15:29:47 Garbee: chrismills, I can give you the log if you want.
2012-10-11 15:29:54 chrismills: ta
2012-10-11 15:30:06 Garbee: I called it "Wack-A-Troll"
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2012-10-11 15:31:01 shepazu: kranius: we do plan to have a basic intro to various script libraries, but nothing indepth
2012-10-11 15:32:18 shepazu: kranius: are you interested in contributing something like that?
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2012-10-11 15:33:48 kranius: why not, it's all about knowing alternatives exist
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2012-10-11 15:34:21 chrismills: bye now!
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2012-10-11 15:39:22 karlcow: tobie: done
2012-10-11 15:40:45 tobie: karlcow: merged
2012-10-11 15:41:01 tobie: but don't close the PR until I do, if not I have to repoen it.
2012-10-11 15:42:08 karlcow: not touching it :)
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2012-10-11 15:59:19 mstalfoort: tobie, do u have an idea on what the bot should support, or are we free to add whatever seems suitable and send a pr?
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2012-10-11 16:03:31 tobie: mstalfoort: I don't.
2012-10-11 16:03:50 tobie: I guess I'll pull in the ones that seem reasonable.
2012-10-11 16:04:05 mstalfoort: fair enough
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2012-10-11 16:16:34 tobie: !wpd FileAPI
2012-10-11 16:16:34 wpdbot: tobie: Here is the result of your search for "FileAPI": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=FileAPI
2012-10-11 16:17:56 Grephix: Hi guys
2012-10-11 16:18:08 fr0zenice: hi
2012-10-11 16:18:12 ctoveloz[BR]: hi
2012-10-11 16:18:58 mstalfoort: nice addition tobie
2012-10-11 16:19:16 tobie: mstalfoort: !wpd html5
2012-10-11 16:19:16 wpdbot: mstalfoort: Here is the result of your search for "html5": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=html5
2012-10-11 16:21:42 ctoveloz[BR]: tobie this bot could inform new topics
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2012-10-11 16:25:54 tobie: ctoveloz[BR]: !pr
2012-10-11 16:26:19 ctoveloz[BR]: !pr
2012-10-11 16:26:19 wpdbot: ctoveloz[BR]: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
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2012-10-11 16:27:04 tobie: ctoveloz[BR]: you can fix the regexp while you're at it.
2012-10-11 16:27:14 tobie: :P
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2012-10-11 16:33:46 ctoveloz[BR]: tobie in my time making these irc bot was quite different
2012-10-11 16:33:48 ctoveloz[BR]: hehe
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2012-10-11 16:40:57 tobie: ctoveloz[BR]: I doubt you are _that_ much older than me.
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2012-10-11 16:45:07 ctoveloz[BR]: I already used the msn messenger
2012-10-11 16:45:09 ctoveloz[BR]: hehe
2012-10-11 16:45:27 ctoveloz[BR]: _someone indicate me a stylized form to contact
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2012-10-11 16:56:16 plamoni: !wpd CSS4
2012-10-11 16:56:16 wpdbot: plamoni: Here is the result of your search for "CSS4": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=CSS4
2012-10-11 16:56:24 plamoni: hehe, cool.
2012-10-11 16:56:28 plamoni: !wpd CSS5
2012-10-11 16:56:28 wpdbot: plamoni: Here is the result of your search for "CSS5": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=CSS5
2012-10-11 16:56:31 plamoni: !wpd CSS12
2012-10-11 16:56:32 wpdbot: plamoni: Here is the result of your search for "CSS12": http://docs.webplatform.org?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&search=CSS12
2012-10-11 16:56:41 plamoni: (okay, i'm done having fun now)
2012-10-11 16:56:52 tobie: shepazu: !help
2012-10-11 16:56:52 wpdbot: shepazu: Here's a list of all the commands I support: apple, contribute, faq, help, pr, and wpd. You can message me privately to see what each one does.
2012-10-11 16:57:09 plamoni: or not
2012-10-11 16:57:15 plamoni: !apple iphone6
2012-10-11 16:57:15 wpdbot: plamoni: Apple chose explicitly to not have its logo in the footer.
2012-10-11 16:57:25 plamoni: ...
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2012-10-11 16:57:44 ctoveloz[BR]: The bot could send messages by pvt
2012-10-11 16:57:44 eternicode: plamoni, the bot supports privmsg, btw.
2012-10-11 16:57:45 ctoveloz[BR]: :P
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2012-10-11 16:58:03 plamoni: but then i can't subjet all of you to my mindless queries!
2012-10-11 16:58:18 plamoni: subject*
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2012-10-11 17:00:21 shepazu: tobie++
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2012-10-11 17:00:30 shepazu: !apple
2012-10-11 17:00:30 wpdbot: shepazu: Apple chose explicitly to not have its logo in the footer.
2012-10-11 17:00:37 shepazu: lol
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2012-10-11 17:00:51 tobie: shepazu: a pull request someone sent over.
2012-10-11 17:01:05 tobie: shepazu: !pr
2012-10-11 17:01:05 wpdbot: shepazu: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
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2012-10-11 17:35:51 wpdbot: 
ACTION: FAQ can be found here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Site_FAQ.
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2012-10-11 17:52:25 TehRealGawd: hmm
2012-10-11 17:52:38 TehRealGawd: no1 is speaking
2012-10-11 17:53:04 TehRealGawd: did you guys see where Pinky Pie got another 60k USD from Google?
2012-10-11 17:53:55 tsinghtao: hmm whats pinkyPie
2012-10-11 17:54:15 TehRealGawd: some hacker that goes and finds exploits in GC
2012-10-11 17:54:48 TehRealGawd: apparently Google sets out 2m USD each year 60k - GC sploits 50k - some other types of sploits and 40k- windows sploits
2012-10-11 17:54:49 tsinghtao: well thats probably a better way for google to deal with it..
2012-10-11 17:55:18 tsinghtao: pay hackers to tell them there is a problem as opposed to hackers actually exploiting the problem
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2012-10-11 17:55:50 TehRealGawd: yeah exactly, if you spent 1 whole year just looking and finally finding 1 google chrome exploit then you'd have a minimum wage job
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2012-10-11 17:57:52 tsinghtao: well i am making the assumption that good hackers do it for the challenge
2012-10-11 17:58:03 tsinghtao: and the bonus is the getting paid part
2012-10-11 17:59:35 Garbee: TehRealGawd, You should take that chat into #webplatform-offtopic
2012-10-11 18:00:08 webnick: wasn't it #webplatform-ot?
2012-10-11 18:00:16 Garbee: nope, written out.
2012-10-11 18:00:49 Garbee: You can go to -ot if you want, it is just a party of one at this point.
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2012-10-11 18:38:37 Garbee: Anyone in here signed up for the Mailing List just get a handful of messages at once?
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2012-10-11 18:44:54 bwoebi: Why can't I build a CSS selector like E::after:hover (when hovered over the ::after)?
2012-10-11 18:48:08 eternicode: bwoebi, #css is probably a better place to ask.
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2012-10-11 18:49:38 bwoebi: eternicode, ok.
2012-10-11 18:50:03 eternicode: Garbee, yeah.  Their timestamps are all over today (6am to 1pm, with one from yesterday), but I know they weren't sitting there until recently.
2012-10-11 18:51:14 Garbee: eternicode, Alright thanks.  I was having some issues too, they manually approved one of my messages and apparently the pipes got cleaned out.
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2012-10-11 18:56:58 RobertPItt: .class:after *:hover
2012-10-11 18:56:59 RobertPItt: ?
2012-10-11 18:57:08 RobertPItt: .class:after > *:hover
2012-10-11 18:57:12 RobertPItt: maybe :/
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2012-10-11 18:58:14 eternicode: RobertPItt, no, they're wanting to hover pseudoelements.  Which I'm not sure is possible (but if it is, it'd be :after:hover ).  Anyway, #css ;D
2012-10-11 18:59:20 Garbee: Yea, they are looking into it over in #css.
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2012-10-11 19:05:15 paul_irish: you were trying to get in touch?
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2012-10-11 19:07:57 pdr: shepazu: can you think of a way to benchmark SVG declarative animations using javascript?
2012-10-11 19:09:22 paul_irish:  /join #webplatform-site for site/content discussion
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2012-10-11 19:50:39 shepazu: pdr: interesting question, but I'll have to think about it… if you send an email to www-svg, I could ask the SVG WG
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2012-10-11 20:14:22 scottrowe: paul_irish: what is this (#webplatform) for, vs. #webplatform-site?
2012-10-11 20:14:36 paul_irish: -site is discussion of the site and its content
2012-10-11 20:15:08 scottrowe: Yes, what is #webplatform (this) for?
2012-10-11 20:15:13 paul_irish: this channel is for support and conversation around web platform-y topics
2012-10-11 20:15:17 paul_irish: -ish
2012-10-11 20:15:22 scottrowe: huh?
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2012-10-11 20:17:10 Garbee: I think the best answer is we are currently working on it.  Having a little debate about what exactly we should allow in the IRC and Q&A; so until we figure it out, we have -site for *just* webplatform.org related chat.
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2012-10-11 20:20:07 scottrowe: Garbee: "webplatform-offtopic"? Really? Why?
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2012-10-11 20:20:39 Garbee: scottrowe, Just for anything we feel like.  It was made before -site was thought of, and still has its uses.
2012-10-11 20:20:41 sonotos: for topics we don't want to have in here
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2012-10-11 20:21:10 tobie: mstalfoort: !help
2012-10-11 20:21:11 wpdbot: mstalfoort: Here's a list of all the commands I support: apple, beginner, blog, bugfiling, bugs, contribute, docs, faq, forum, help, pr, tutorials, and wpd. You can message me privately to see what each one does.
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2012-10-11 20:21:16 Garbee: Really it is just uncensored chat about anything.
2012-10-11 20:21:37 Garbee: Well, I think we may ask for nothing vulgar, but other than that... Who knows.
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2012-10-11 20:22:04 ctoveloz[BR]_: but here too one can not talk about anything?
2012-10-11 20:22:16 sonotos: Garbee: at least we could if we want hrhr
2012-10-11 20:23:04 Garbee: ctoveloz[BR]_, No, things talked about in this room should try to relate to the site and currently even some support until we decide what to do about that.
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2012-10-11 20:23:25 sonotos: ctoveloz[BR]_: well i think people have some expectaction by joining this channel, it would be not optimal if people here talk about football
2012-10-11 20:23:35 Garbee: We do go offtopic at times, but it is generally short spurts and not harmful in any way.  Just being social.
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2012-10-11 20:24:19 sonotos: hm why was it removed from the topic?
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2012-10-11 20:24:37 Garbee: sonotos, Because of an email this morning.
2012-10-11 20:24:42 Garbee: Check the mailing list.
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2012-10-11 20:29:49 michaeln: hello webplaform folks
2012-10-11 20:29:58 fr0zenice: hello
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2012-10-11 20:31:28 mstalfoort: thx tobie
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2012-10-11 21:25:49 chris_cook: hello all, what's the process for applying to be a volunteer moderator?
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2012-10-11 21:28:18 mstalfoort: chris_cook, have a look here, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Volunteer_moderators
2012-10-11 21:29:08 chris_cook: mstalfoort: i read that... not sure how to go about actually volunteering though
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2012-10-11 21:30:54 Garbee: chris_cook, Just email the email listed on that page showing your support.
2012-10-11 21:30:55 eternicode: chris_cook, contact chris mills (email given on that page).
2012-10-11 21:30:56 mstalfoort: my guess would be to send an email to cmills or ping him when he is here
2012-10-11 21:31:18 chris_cook: alright, thanks guys
2012-10-11 21:31:43 mstalfoort: np
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2012-10-11 22:13:37 NotTomato: Hi guys.
2012-10-11 22:14:14 fr0zenice: hey
2012-10-11 22:14:39 ctoveloz[BR]_: hi
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2012-10-11 22:20:52 lampe2: hello
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2012-10-11 22:21:53 nzaccardi: hola!
2012-10-11 22:22:04 nzaccardi: We need to be more multicultural around here :)
2012-10-11 22:22:47 ctoveloz[BR]_: nzaccardi were u from ?
2012-10-11 22:22:56 tsinghtao: thats why they keep me around. culture.. and flair
2012-10-11 22:23:03 tsinghtao: heeh
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2012-10-11 22:23:32 nzaccardi: america
2012-10-11 22:23:44 nzaccardi: The epicenter of culture
2012-10-11 22:23:45 _cheney: 'murica
2012-10-11 22:24:04 nzaccardi: _cheney: That is how I normally say it.
2012-10-11 22:24:31 jowesho: F yeah
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2012-10-11 22:24:51 nzaccardi: No place like the upper midwest... God's country out here.
2012-10-11 22:25:31 jowesho: F no
2012-10-11 22:25:50 tsinghtao: spent most of my time is mid midwest. land of not much. hehe
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2012-10-11 22:25:58 nzaccardi: fist*
2012-10-11 22:26:05 nzaccardi: My typing has been off all day
2012-10-11 22:26:21 tsinghtao: jsut fyi. we want to have off topic on #webplatform-offtopic
2012-10-11 22:26:49 nzaccardi: tsinghtao: we went from 1 - 3 channels in 1 day...
2012-10-11 22:27:03 tsinghtao: hehe yah
2012-10-11 22:27:10 josiah: Is there plans to have a list of mime-types somewhere on webplatform.org? Or would that be outside the scope of the project?
2012-10-11 22:27:15 tsinghtao: and not that much going on today
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2012-10-11 22:29:24 tsinghtao: i think is not a bad idea to have some mime info on the site.
2012-10-11 22:29:45 tsinghtao: text/json application/xml
2012-10-11 22:30:22 tsinghtao: etc. understanding why is relevant
2012-10-11 22:30:29 _cheney: yes there should be
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2012-10-11 22:33:01 Garbee: I think mime-types might be getting more into server admin.  Then again I'm not sure why one needs to know them outside of apache configs.
2012-10-11 22:34:01 eternicode: seeing as that info is in HTTP headers 90% of the time, I would classify it as backend tech.
2012-10-11 22:34:42 _cheney: they're used all the time i.e. link and script tags
2012-10-11 22:34:55 Garbee: I use a MIME type in a link and script tag?
2012-10-11 22:35:07 eternicode: type="text/css", yeah
2012-10-11 22:35:21 eternicode: although, in HTML5, the "type" attribute is deprecated.
2012-10-11 22:35:21 Garbee: Well, we don't do that anymore.
2012-10-11 22:35:25 fr0zenice: mime type for <video> / <audio> sources
2012-10-11 22:35:30 _cheney: <script type="text/javascript">
2012-10-11 22:35:36 Garbee: Not depreciated, just it assumes a certain type for certain tags.
2012-10-11 22:35:50 Garbee: It still has a valid use like saying type="text/less" for less files.
2012-10-11 22:36:54 Garbee: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess   --We could basically bring the list in from this .htaccess into somewhere to start.
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2012-10-11 22:37:52 eternicode: alright, thought it was deprecated, guess not.
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2012-10-11 22:39:22 Garbee: Knowing that using it for specifying types makes it completely relevent, the only question is where to put it...
2012-10-11 22:40:00 Garbee: Oh, already here:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types
2012-10-11 22:40:16 Garbee: We just need to expand it with the list.
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2012-10-11 22:40:46 tsinghtao: just saw that link as well
2012-10-11 22:43:51 shepazu: josiah: I think a list of common mime types is totally appropriate
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2012-10-11 22:45:10 Garbee: I'm adding a table now.
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2012-10-11 22:45:32 Garbee: With the ones shown in the .htaccess from H5BP.
2012-10-11 22:45:54 josiah: Awesome
2012-10-11 22:46:15 shepazu: Garbee: url?
2012-10-11 22:46:36 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types  --page adding content to from https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess
2012-10-11 22:46:52 Garbee: Starting on line 79 of the htaccess.
2012-10-11 22:47:10 Garbee: Not exactly all inclusive, but a decent start.
2012-10-11 22:47:38 shepazu: make sure to include SVG :P
2012-10-11 22:47:50 Garbee: Care to tell me what that type is?
2012-10-11 22:48:03 shepazu: it's in the list
2012-10-11 22:48:09 Garbee: Oh, then ofc it is getting in.
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2012-10-11 23:03:19 Garbee: Does the Preview not like Tables?
2012-10-11 23:03:40 fr0zenice: the preview likes to decode too much
2012-10-11 23:03:40 Garbee: It stops at { no matter what I try, even copying tables that work from other places.
2012-10-11 23:03:47 fr0zenice: looks fine on save though
2012-10-11 23:04:03 fr0zenice: have that on my to-bug list :)
2012-10-11 23:04:05 Garbee: So, I should just trust what I'm doing is right at this point and fix any issues later...  :/
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2012-10-11 23:11:49 Garbee: fr0zenice, Still broken, could you possibly check to make sure I started the table properly?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types
2012-10-11 23:12:05 fr0zenice: checking
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2012-10-11 23:13:34 fr0zenice: fixed
2012-10-11 23:13:48 Garbee: What did I do wrong?
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2012-10-11 23:14:10 fr0zenice: because you use the form field, you have to use {{!}} instead of | in certain places
2012-10-11 23:14:11 Garbee: Ok, that is a retarded setup.
2012-10-11 23:14:18 Garbee: Ah.
2012-10-11 23:14:24 Garbee: That would be nice to know.
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2012-10-11 23:14:31 fr0zenice: preview was actually working ok there
2012-10-11 23:14:58 fr0zenice: had some hiccups yesterday, about to send the mail to the list
2012-10-11 23:15:01 Garbee: Yea, it was just me not knowing that tirck.
2012-10-11 23:15:03 Garbee: trick*
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2012-10-11 23:15:12 Garbee: Thanks for letting me know and checking it out.
2012-10-11 23:15:16 fr0zenice: np
2012-10-11 23:15:33 Garbee: Now we just need to get that table a little more organized and expand upon it.  But for now, it is a nice start.
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2012-10-11 23:17:29 Garbee: Ooo, Even more to bring in:
2012-10-11 23:17:33 Garbee: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Sample_.htaccess_file.
2012-10-11 23:17:39 Garbee: Except no . at the end.
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2012-10-12 01:07:16 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, I'm getting 503's under the Docs again.
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2012-10-12 01:07:50 Garbee: I think at 9PM the cache just hates us.
2012-10-12 01:08:43 Ryan_Lane: odd
2012-10-12 01:08:48 Ryan_Lane: database is returning fine
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2012-10-12 01:12:38 Unitox: helloo
2012-10-12 01:12:50 Unitox: Any pro here?
2012-10-12 01:12:58 eedeep: pro?
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2012-10-12 01:13:17 Unitox: professionsl
2012-10-12 01:13:25 Unitox: professional
2012-10-12 01:13:37 Unitox: i need question
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2012-10-12 01:13:51 Unitox: no pro here? :(
2012-10-12 01:14:07 Unitox: Any game developer?
2012-10-12 01:14:15 Unitox: ot WebSite Developer?
2012-10-12 01:14:18 Unitox: or
2012-10-12 01:14:22 eedeep: haha you need question? I think you probably need an answer rather than a question
2012-10-12 01:14:32 _cheney: just ask your question
2012-10-12 01:14:50 Unitox: lol yes
2012-10-12 01:15:00 Unitox: just i want sleep and bad thinking now
2012-10-12 01:15:13 Unitox: and eng not first language
2012-10-12 01:15:28 Unitox: what just ask? if here no developers
2012-10-12 01:15:36 Garbee: Yea, just ask.
2012-10-12 01:15:45 Unitox: oh hi
2012-10-12 01:15:49 Garbee: if we can help we will, if we can't we just don't answer.
2012-10-12 01:15:54 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-12 01:16:03 Unitox: Engine Crafty work with WebGL?
2012-10-12 01:16:18 Unitox: crafty.js
2012-10-12 01:16:44 Unitox: Hey?
2012-10-12 01:16:48 Unitox: Gabree?
2012-10-12 01:17:42 Unitox: Any help plz?
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2012-10-12 01:17:50 Unitox: :(
2012-10-12 01:18:48 _cheney: i've never used crafty but this suggests it does something with webgl http://craftyjs.com/api/Crafty-support.html#Crafty-support-webgl
2012-10-12 01:18:56 Garbee: Unitox, Please don't PM people w/o asking.
2012-10-12 01:19:25 Unitox: ok
2012-10-12 01:19:41 _cheney: you're better off checking the craftyjs forums
2012-10-12 01:20:05 Unitox: maybe u know good engine for 2d games (top view) with good support WebGL?
2012-10-12 01:20:24 eedeep: Unitox: totally understand the english as second language challenge.
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2012-10-12 01:20:43 _cheney: have you checked threejs?
2012-10-12 01:21:00 Unitox: no
2012-10-12 01:21:04 Unitox: im beginner
2012-10-12 01:21:11 Unitox: nub
2012-10-12 01:21:15 _cheney: start here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5765124/webgl-2d-engine
2012-10-12 01:21:21 Unitox: its good engine?
2012-10-12 01:21:47 _cheney: i've never used any :\
2012-10-12 01:21:53 Unitox: i want make game for tablets and netbooks
2012-10-12 01:22:08 Unitox: ::(
2012-10-12 01:22:19 _cheney: try the ##javascript channel
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2012-10-12 01:23:10 Unitox: guru meditation? lol i see on forum message apatche
2012-10-12 01:23:29 Unitox: okey thanks
2012-10-12 01:23:34 Unitox: i now go sleep
2012-10-12 01:23:40 _cheney: good night
2012-10-12 01:23:41 miketaylr: Unitox: knock yourself out, https://github.com/bebraw/jswiki/wiki/Game-Engines
2012-10-12 01:23:41 Unitox: and tomorrow back
2012-10-12 01:23:53 Unitox: cose maybe here will many people developers
2012-10-12 01:23:57 Unitox: more
2012-10-12 01:24:19 Unitox: thx u too i open link...
2012-10-12 01:24:44 Unitox: but i need pro developer
2012-10-12 01:25:57 Unitox: oh
2012-10-12 01:26:12 Unitox: maybe me can use game constructor?
2012-10-12 01:26:29 Unitox: or this not will have high FPS?
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2012-10-12 01:27:22 Unitox: oh okey tomorow i bad
2012-10-12 01:27:36 Unitox: bb night
2012-10-12 01:27:45 Unitox: tomorrow i back
2012-10-12 01:27:48 Unitox: rrr
2012-10-12 01:27:50 Unitox: :)
2012-10-12 01:27:52 Unitox: bb
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2012-10-12 01:43:44 jeffslofish: Hi
2012-10-12 01:44:41 Benvie: successfully shimmed Object.create(null) in old IE: https://github.com/kriskowal/es5-shim/pull/132/files
2012-10-12 01:44:42 socialhapy: ★ Pull request on es5-shim by Benvie (4h, 40m ago): Support Object.create(null)
2012-10-12 01:44:54 NotTomato: Hi jeffslofish.
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2012-10-12 01:45:16 jeffslofish: Hi again thanks for your help last night
2012-10-12 01:45:33 NotTomato: No problem.
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2012-10-12 01:48:33 jeffslofish: I'm actually on a walk right now but should be making some more minor improvements soon
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2012-10-12 01:51:06 arkhi: Good morning all
2012-10-12 01:51:24 jeffslofish: Hi
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2012-10-12 02:40:56 jeffslofish: hello anybody here?
2012-10-12 02:41:27 lowlevel: just us chickens
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2012-10-12 02:43:25 jeffslofish: anybody know how many spaces code should be indented ?
2012-10-12 02:43:38 jeffslofish: bok bok bok
2012-10-12 02:44:01 _cheney: 4
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2012-10-12 02:44:25 jeffslofish: shall i put that in the style guide?
2012-10-12 02:44:39 jeffslofish: i couldn't find it anywhere
2012-10-12 02:44:45 _cheney: it's a personal preference thing
2012-10-12 02:45:03 _cheney: but i think it is generally 4 by default in some editors
2012-10-12 02:45:07 lowlevel: people have been arguing about spaces and tabs for eons
2012-10-12 02:46:16 jeffslofish: i mean how many should be using in the docs.webplatform.org code samples?
2012-10-12 02:46:47 _cheney: just checked my editor and its actually 2 spaces.. hehe
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2012-10-12 02:47:30 _cheney: it's a touchy subject, like lowlevel said. not sure if adding it would be helpful or not
2012-10-12 02:48:00 jeffslofish: ok, i was just trying to clean up some indentation that was not consistent, so i'll just make it consistent with itself and move on :-)
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2012-10-12 02:58:27 arkhi: jeffslofish: I use two spaces.
2012-10-12 02:58:53 jeffslofish: ok
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2012-10-12 03:03:10 clarkpan: hi guys
2012-10-12 03:03:16 jeffslofish: hi there
2012-10-12 03:03:20 clarkpan: anyone know what the current state of radial-gradient is
2012-10-12 03:03:24 clarkpan: in terms of support
2012-10-12 03:03:25 arkhi: Hello clarkpan
2012-10-12 03:03:28 eternicode: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
2012-10-12 03:03:31 clarkpan: hello!
2012-10-12 03:03:47 clarkpan: caniuse doesn't go specifically into radial gradient support
2012-10-12 03:03:49 arkhi: clarkpan: http://caniuse.com/#search=radial would help?
2012-10-12 03:03:53 clarkpan: unless i missed it somehow
2012-10-12 03:03:56 arkhi: doh. :)
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2012-10-12 03:04:08 clarkpan: haha yea i tried
2012-10-12 03:04:11 clarkpan: mdn doesn't help either
2012-10-12 03:04:23 clarkpan: well it does
2012-10-12 03:04:27 clarkpan: for desktop
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2012-10-12 03:04:35 clarkpan: but not mobile
2012-10-12 03:06:28 arkhi: Sorry clarkpan, can’t answer your question accurately.
2012-10-12 03:06:42 clarkpan: hmm its fine i'll fallback to linear gradients
2012-10-12 03:06:47 clarkpan: no one will notice
2012-10-12 03:07:03 arkhi: use SVG? :)
2012-10-12 03:08:01 clarkpan: thats a thought...
2012-10-12 03:08:10 shepazu: arkhi++ for being helpful
2012-10-12 03:08:12 clarkpan: but svg support in ios is buggy
2012-10-12 03:08:21 clarkpan: yes that
2012-10-12 03:08:29 clarkpan: thx for the help
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2012-10-12 03:09:32 arkhi: clarkpan: You might give a try at http://www.webdirections.org/blog/css3-radial-gradients/
2012-10-12 03:10:37 shepazu: clarkpan: we are working on improving our feature support tables, so hopefully in the not-too-distant future, you should be able to find the information there (or at the very least, request for more info, and expect it to be added quickly)
2012-10-12 03:11:21 clarkpan: awesome
2012-10-12 03:11:28 clarkpan: really hoping webplatform gets good quick
2012-10-12 03:11:41 clarkpan: all these browser tabs are slowing down my browser
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2012-10-12 03:52:07 jarek: btw, are there any plans to support CSS gradient in SVG?
2012-10-12 03:52:21 jarek: s/gradient/gradients
2012-10-12 03:52:22 shepazu: jarek: yes, in SVG 2
2012-10-12 03:52:45 jarek: shepazu: in this spec? https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/toc.html
2012-10-12 03:53:01 shepazu: I don't know if it's in there yet, but it will be
2012-10-12 03:53:14 jarek: it doesn't seem to be there yet
2012-10-12 03:53:30 shepazu: it will be
2012-10-12 03:53:49 shepazu: nn, folks
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2012-10-12 03:56:28 gluxon: Hi, I saw a request for volunteer moderators on IRC on the Twitter feed. The link doesn't describe how to apply though.
2012-10-12 03:58:46 arkhi: Hello gluxon…
2012-10-12 03:58:47 arkhi: I guess applying here is a good start. :)
2012-10-12 03:58:57 gluxon: arkhi: Awesome. :)
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2012-10-12 03:59:52 gluxon: https://twitter.com/divya/status/256490128585936896
2012-10-12 03:59:53 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from divya: The @WebPlatform needs your help! Can you moderate the IRC channel or Q&amp;A section? http://t.co/7rHgMIQW ★ http://bit.ly/TEa7cw
2012-10-12 04:00:07 gluxon: ^ Great, but the link doesn't explain how to apply....
2012-10-12 04:00:16 arkhi: gluxon: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Volunteer_moderators
2012-10-12 04:00:51 arkhi: You’ll have to read the document though. ;)
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2012-10-12 04:01:04 eternicode: gluxon, it does, indirectly.  Email the address mentioned.
2012-10-12 04:01:06 arkhi: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Volunteer_moderators#Getting_help
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2012-10-12 04:02:22 gluxon: eternicode: Oh, is that what I'm suppose to do? That section kind of suggests that Chris Mill's email is on questions for already registered volunteers.
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2012-10-12 04:03:18 eternicode: gluxon, "Chris Mills is the organizer of the volunteer moderators", kinda implies he's the guy to contact ;)
2012-10-12 04:04:15 arkhi: gluxon: Either you can send him an email, or wait that he wakes up and arrives in here…
2012-10-12 04:04:28 arkhi: But anyhow… Welcome in. :)
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2012-10-12 04:10:16 gluxon:  eternicode, arkhi: Thanks guys! :)
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2012-10-12 04:37:53 jarek: what methods do I need to implement in NSDocument to make the "Save as..." menu item active?
2012-10-12 04:38:41 jarek: currently it is grayed-out even though I have implemented dataOfType method
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2012-10-12 05:44:05 As4xk: Mornings :)
2012-10-12 05:46:51 arkhi: Good morning As4xk
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2012-10-12 05:51:25 As4xk: How are things? :)
2012-10-12 05:51:43 arkhi: quiet since the webchat is off. :)
2012-10-12 05:51:55 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-12 05:51:59 As4xk: :)
2012-10-12 05:52:30 As4xk: Is it coming back?
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2012-10-12 05:54:13 arkhi: I don’t know…
2012-10-12 05:54:56 paul_irish: nope.
2012-10-12 05:55:04 paul_irish: doug posted about it on the list
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2012-10-12 05:55:34 paul_irish: or not.
2012-10-12 05:55:40 arkhi: :)
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2012-10-12 05:55:51 paul_irish: but he said he wont bring it back without sufficient security measures.
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2012-10-12 05:57:30 As4xk: Ok. Thats good/too bad :p Chaotic with spam/flooding, but an easy and great way for beginners to see how much IRC communities can help
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2012-10-12 05:58:16 arkhi: As4xk: The good thing is that logs are still online, I assume.
2012-10-12 05:58:29 arkhi: So people can view first and get involved if they are interested.
2012-10-12 05:59:12 arkhi: instead of just “clicking on this cool chat link”.
2012-10-12 05:59:30 arkhi: which was cool. :)
2012-10-12 05:59:30 As4xk: Yes, thats good :) But beginners won't read those if they have questions though
2012-10-12 05:59:36 As4xk: hehe
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2012-10-12 06:03:23 As4xk: What do you do arkhi? :)
2012-10-12 06:03:33 arkhi: Mainly CSS stuff…
2012-10-12 06:04:04 arkhi: was part of Paris-Web too if you ever heard about it
2012-10-12 06:04:13 arkhi: and editor for pompage
2012-10-12 06:05:01 arkhi: I guess we can say I’am frontend dev.
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2012-10-12 06:05:24 arkhi: you, As4xk
2012-10-12 06:05:26 arkhi: ?
2012-10-12 06:06:09 As4xk: Nice. Haven't heard about Paris-Web no. Something French if i google correctly? :p
2012-10-12 06:07:08 arkhi: Not Paris, TX, nope. :p
2012-10-12 06:07:22 As4xk: Haha. Ok.
2012-10-12 06:07:23 arkhi: You googled right. :)
2012-10-12 06:07:38 As4xk: I mostly do PHP. Not that much frontend
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2012-10-12 06:08:12 As4xk: Might be the wrong place to be though, but i like the whole idea of this ;)
2012-10-12 06:08:19 arkhi: designer’s best friend!
2012-10-12 06:08:30 arkhi: I guess liking the idea is all it takes.
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2012-10-12 06:09:12 arkhi: I’m graduated in architecture… most of the people would think it’s not much about computer sciences. :)
2012-10-12 06:09:49 As4xk: Everything is about computer science if you want it to be :D
2012-10-12 06:11:29 arkhi: I take this more as everything is about public spaces, but yeah, both applies. :)
2012-10-12 06:13:19 As4xk: yes :) But i got to go to the buss ;)
2012-10-12 06:13:21 As4xk: see you
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2012-10-12 06:13:37 arkhi: enjoy the ride
2012-10-12 06:13:49 desbenoit: Hi!
2012-10-12 06:14:17 arkhi: Hello desbenoit
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2012-10-12 06:14:39 desbenoit: Bonjour arkhi :)
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2012-10-12 06:15:45 Arkkis: The "forum" seems to be a bit rough on the edges for now. I wonder if stackoverflow guys would be willing to help with it. They seem to have that format somewhat mastered.
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2012-10-12 06:18:21 paul_irish: they'd probably just suggest to use them, aye?
2012-10-12 06:20:30 mdel: for some of the questions on there, they should :)
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2012-10-12 06:24:30 tobie: Ya, I'd like to know what incentive they'd have to help us compete against their project.
2012-10-12 06:25:27 Arkkis: tobie, good question
2012-10-12 06:25:39 eedeep: well if they hosted a sub-reddit (or whatever name they have for it) and it drove traffic to their "network", that's an incentive
2012-10-12 06:27:28 Arkkis: I'd see that as a win for both
2012-10-12 06:27:38 Arkkis: actually, for all three sides
2012-10-12 06:28:02 Arkkis: users, stackoverflow and webplatform sides
2012-10-12 06:29:12 eedeep: well love em or hate em, they have won in that space I think as far as quality of features (and  thereby content) goes
2012-10-12 06:29:14 vldcnst: http://oradeanul.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/furat.gif
2012-10-12 06:29:20 vldcnst: only in RUSSIA
2012-10-12 06:29:48 Arkkis: for webplatform as then "the weel" would not have to be re-invented, for stackexchange guys as they would not get a competitor and for users as the features are quite good and community seems to work there
2012-10-12 06:30:01 Arkkis: doh, "the wheel"
2012-10-12 06:30:10 Arkkis: it seems I'm a bit sleepy still
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2012-10-12 06:32:10 vldcnst: (and sorry, wrong channel for that pic. ugh)
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2012-10-12 06:44:08 arkhi: Hey chrismills
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2012-10-12 06:45:14 chrismills: arkhi: hey!
2012-10-12 06:46:52 chrismills: Hope you guys are ok today. I seem to have come down with flu overnight
2012-10-12 06:47:11 chrismills: so am not gonna be working at full efficiency today ;-(
2012-10-12 06:47:14 arkhi: You didn’t gave it to me, at least. Thanks for not doing so.
2012-10-12 06:47:34 arkhi: Get better soon!
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2012-10-12 06:47:48 chrismills: i don't think you can transmit flu over the internet ;-)
2012-10-12 06:47:56 As4xk: Thats not good chrismills :/
2012-10-12 06:48:40 chrismills: no ;-)
2012-10-12 06:48:58 chrismills: I think it's my body telling me I'm doing far too much again
2012-10-12 06:49:21 mdel: wish my body did that sometimes
2012-10-12 06:49:27 BrokenAngel: it would be fun if it was internet-passed, that would make a whole new market for anti-virus...
2012-10-12 06:49:55 arkhi: BrokenAngel: I don’t like your idea, for some reason. :p
2012-10-12 06:50:05 arkhi: I’am fine without chrismills flu. :)
2012-10-12 06:50:05 mdel needs a Norton shot
2012-10-12 06:50:30 arkhi: chrismills: What can we help you with?
2012-10-12 06:51:07 As4xk: Milk with warm honey? ;)
2012-10-12 06:51:08 chrismills: Basically, just take up the reins for today's moderation, make sure that the IRC is manned
2012-10-12 06:51:18 arkhi: Aye sir
2012-10-12 06:51:22 chrismills: As4xk: you can't send that over the internet either ;-)
2012-10-12 06:51:41 arkhi: they have some things here that would surely fix you right
2012-10-12 06:51:49 chrismills: thanks guys - I do appreciate it
2012-10-12 06:51:51 As4xk: i could send the recipe, and order stuff online. It would take some time though
2012-10-12 06:52:04 chrismills: At least we are more decided on what questions are out of scape now
2012-10-12 06:52:12 chrismills: scope*
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2012-10-12 06:53:04 mdel: chrismills: are we? I've been trying to follow that discussion, but it seems to be stalled on the mailing list
2012-10-12 06:53:33 chrismills: mddl … hrm. I have just seen last night's mail about it ;-)
2012-10-12 06:53:38 mdel: i did post my thoughts on the topic earlier, but I'm new to the w3c mailing list, and I could have failed at that
2012-10-12 06:53:45 chrismills: mdel damming, i guess not ;-(
2012-10-12 06:53:52 chrismills: dammnit*
2012-10-12 06:54:02 chrismills: stupid auto correct spelling...
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2012-10-12 06:55:01 mdel: it seems like there is some sense of agreement, but I have been told that there are some still undecided on whether "support" questions (regarding specific code) would be allowed
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2012-10-12 06:57:31 chrismills: mdel: I would say a definite no. I'll chime in and see if I can get this closer to some kind of resolution
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2012-10-12 07:01:04 mdel: chrismills: sounds good - i also brought up the unification of guidelines across communication mediums
2012-10-12 07:01:10 desbenoit pours a good swig of grog to chrismills 
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2012-10-12 07:01:32 mdel: i think it makes sense to have the same guidelines on IRC and Q&A to keep things consistent
2012-10-12 07:01:42 ravenzz: morning
2012-10-12 07:01:50 chrismills: desbenoit: cheers!
2012-10-12 07:01:54 mdel: damn, it is morning isnt it
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2012-10-12 07:02:10 mstalfoort: mdel, for me it is... and u?
2012-10-12 07:02:18 mdel: 3am lol
2012-10-12 07:02:31 mdel: lost track of time, which is a recurring pattern recently
2012-10-12 07:02:41 mstalfoort: lol
2012-10-12 07:02:51 ravenzz: eh
2012-10-12 07:03:12 chrismills: mdel: yes, I agree. I think paul_irish had a good idea about pointing specific tech support questions on Q&A towards stack overflow.
2012-10-12 07:03:14 ravenzz: actually I wish it was evening
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2012-10-12 07:03:19 ravenzz: >> BEER
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2012-10-12 07:03:31 ravenzz: hi chrismills
2012-10-12 07:03:41 chrismills: ravenzz: hola!
2012-10-12 07:04:24 ravenzz: I was wondering how come that chris mills is not on freenode, and surprise here you are :)
2012-10-12 07:04:45 chrismills: i have been here most of the time ;-)
2012-10-12 07:04:49 chrismills: this week...
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2012-10-12 07:05:31 As4xk: ravenzz: It's not nice to tempt us with beer so early
2012-10-12 07:05:33 ravenzz: yeah I was looking for you weeks ago
2012-10-12 07:05:50 ravenzz: I am the guy who started to working on the italian translation of the wsc
2012-10-12 07:06:01 chrismills: i seem to have spent my whole week moderating irc, and writing and rewriting loads of WPD policy documents, FAQs, etc. Hopefully next week i can do some real work ;-)
2012-10-12 07:06:17 chrismills: ravenzz: oh yes, i remember
2012-10-12 07:06:37 desbenoit: chrismills mdel I could only agree to this idea. The project is too young to compete with Stack Overflow. We need to be effecient and i'm not sure focusing on Q&A will help the content to fill.
2012-10-12 07:06:45 desbenoit: efficient
2012-10-12 07:07:04 arkhisaway: chrismills: As far as I can tell, you did really great! That’s tons of work and details.
2012-10-12 07:07:18 paul_irish: the argument for keeping it .. i think
2012-10-12 07:07:21 ravenzz: I was about to commit the first translation when webplatform was announced :[ I think that it will require a new organization
2012-10-12 07:07:32 ravenzz: now at the bus stop I read the divya tweet, so if you are still looking for moderators, here I am
2012-10-12 07:07:37 chrismills: ravenzz: well, none of that effort is wasted - all that content can come over to WPD
2012-10-12 07:07:51 ravenzz: I have been doing this for a couple of years on #css and #jquery
2012-10-12 07:08:01 paul_irish: is that Q&A can have a much livlier and more visible community than the docs content.. and that you could hypothetically have such robust answers in Q&A that they could transition into the documentation
2012-10-12 07:08:19 paul_irish: both are kind of best case scenario
2012-10-12 07:08:36 paul_irish: sup ravenzz
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2012-10-12 07:08:52 ravenzz: sup paul :)
2012-10-12 07:08:57 chrismills: ravenzz: that would be great - can you drop me your mail address in a private message?
2012-10-12 07:09:08 ravenzz: sure
2012-10-12 07:09:48 mdel: takinf SO as an example, I think most of the Q&A there wouldn't translate into documentation very well
2012-10-12 07:10:00 mdel: many of the more robust answers are still very specific
2012-10-12 07:10:21 mdel: but i do see the argument from both sides
2012-10-12 07:10:28 ravenzz: but there are tons of common questions
2012-10-12 07:10:35 _WiZZarD: mornink
2012-10-12 07:10:40 ravenzz: you can answer with links
2012-10-12 07:10:52 ravenzz: to doc/articles
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2012-10-12 07:12:16 chrismills: paul_irish, mdel i think it depends on how the questions are framed. I think at least for the moment we should encourage people to go to SO for really specific answers to dev questions, just so we can keep things moving. But then other stuff that is slightly more general , and could make for nice documentation, could be discussed.
2012-10-12 07:12:38 mdel: yeah, I'm thinking more pessimistically about questions like "what am i doing wrong on this codez"
2012-10-12 07:12:49 chrismills: if we tried to document loads of SO type stuff, we would end up with a really difficult to parse, bitty structure
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2012-10-12 07:13:53 chrismills: whereas questions like, for example "I am doing some mobile phone testing, and would like to find out different common phone screen sizes for doing RWD" - that would make a great reference article
2012-10-12 07:14:24 desbenoit: Perhaps we need a typology of the questions that could be answered on Q&A and the ones that need a redirection to stack overflow.
2012-10-12 07:15:11 chrismills: desbenoit: I would be happy to try writing a guidance document, and seeing if it works/helps
2012-10-12 07:15:31 chrismills: desbenoit: but i can image it will be difficult, and we'll end up with loads of edge cases.
2012-10-12 07:15:38 mdel: yeah i think defining "good" and "bad" questions up front, and then iterating as we see where the discussion is going would be good
2012-10-12 07:16:11 desbenoit: I didn't tell it was easy... It's more a right thing to do (dumbledore style)
2012-10-12 07:16:20 ravenzz: what about search suggestions taken from google
2012-10-12 07:16:21 mdel: it would definitely need refinement as the community grows, but I think at the core we have a pretty solid agreement that this simply isn't the place for SO-esque questions
2012-10-12 07:16:33 ravenzz: restricted domains (stackoverflow mdn and so on)
2012-10-12 07:16:47 ravenzz: if the user don't find an answer there. he will be free to post a new one
2012-10-12 07:16:58 chrismills: yeah. OK. I'll have a go at writing it. Guidance for Q&A moderators.
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2012-10-12 07:17:13 chrismills: I'll add it to the volunteer moderator doc I write yesterday
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2012-10-12 07:20:27 mdel: chrismills: awesome, thanks again for your work on this
2012-10-12 07:22:26 desbenoit: Perhaps we can add a simple link to a simple "Where can I ask my question?" chart flow under the Ask a question input. It could help users and moderators.
2012-10-12 07:22:40 mdel: bed for me, feel better chris and all you other infected people
2012-10-12 07:23:01 Grephix: morning
2012-10-12 07:24:11 desbenoit: Morning Grephix
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2012-10-12 07:36:00 Vidz: anyone here?
2012-10-12 07:36:11 varl: yes, a few.
2012-10-12 07:36:28 richardainz|work: the silence of the lambs
2012-10-12 07:36:37 Vidz: I signed up to webplatform.org yesterday.. I recieved two e-mails
2012-10-12 07:36:52 Vidz: one from my ip-adress, and one mail one minute later from a differne IP..
2012-10-12 07:37:12 Vidz: have you experienced this?
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2012-10-12 07:37:40 varl: no, Vidz, I haven't.
2012-10-12 07:37:49 Vidz: first mail:
2012-10-12 07:37:50 jkofoed: Quit: jkofoed
2012-10-12 07:37:51 Vidz: Someone, probably you, from IP address 208.174.57.186, has registered an account “Trinitonn” with this e-mail address on WebPlatform Docs.
2012-10-12 07:38:00 Vidz: second mail, 1 minute later:
2012-10-12 07:38:01 Vidz: Someone, probably you, from IP address 149.6.60.6, has registered an account “Trinitonn” with this e-mail address on WebPlatform Docs.
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2012-10-12 07:38:23 Vidz: isn't that odd?
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2012-10-12 07:39:35 Vidz: actually, none of those ip's are mine..
2012-10-12 07:40:08 varl: hm. I didn't receive a confirmation e-mail at all when I signed up.
2012-10-12 07:40:19 varl: Vidz: is there a link in the e-mail?
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2012-10-12 07:40:59 Vidz: varl, yes there are a confirmation link in both emails.. and they are not similar
2012-10-12 07:41:28 Vidz: is*
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2012-10-12 07:43:02 As4xk: I had the same issue three days ago
2012-10-12 07:43:24 Vidz: I don't know what it is.... just wanted to let you guys know
2012-10-12 07:43:29 ravenzz: Vidz this is supposed to be the correct format http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmEmail/hash
2012-10-12 07:43:32 As4xk: To honest i didnt see it before now :p
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2012-10-12 07:44:05 varl: Vidz: verify the meta-information contained in the e-mail headers, if it's bogus just report them as spam.
2012-10-12 07:44:08 Vidz: ravenzz: yes, that is correct. I recieved two mails with two different hashes
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2012-10-12 07:44:38 ravenzz: varl did you check your spam folder ?
2012-10-12 07:45:00 varl: ravenzz: yes, and the /bin.
2012-10-12 07:45:21 ravenzz: Vidz anyway this is clearly a bug
2012-10-12 07:45:44 ravenzz: I got the confirmation email with the same IP address 208.174.57.186
2012-10-12 07:45:54 Vidz: ahh
2012-10-12 07:46:23 Vidz: well.. I pressed the activationlink in the first e-mail I got. I think it went allright ;)
2012-10-12 07:46:40 ravenzz: sweet
2012-10-12 07:47:03 As4xk: Both of the IP addresses are the same for me as well
2012-10-12 07:48:26 varl: I tried to resend the activation mail 5 minutes ago, but no dice yet.
2012-10-12 07:49:27 ravenzz: mine was in the spam box
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2012-10-12 07:50:53 As4xk: We should probably report both that the email was reported as spam, and the IP address situation to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi
2012-10-12 07:51:05 Sandkorn: G'Morning folks. :)
2012-10-12 07:51:31 Vidz: As4xk; you fix? :)
2012-10-12 07:51:42 As4xk: Yes :)
2012-10-12 07:51:48 As4xk: Good morning Sandkorn
2012-10-12 07:51:48 Vidz: nice^^
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2012-10-12 07:53:05 Grephix: Hiya Sandkorn
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2012-10-12 07:59:49 NDakotaBE: Goodmorning,
2012-10-12 08:00:03 Sandkorn: Morning!
2012-10-12 08:00:08 NDakotaBE: I have a quick question :)
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2012-10-12 08:01:39 NDakotaBE: Would it be the purpose of webplatform to implement server technologies too? Like Zend Framework, ExpressionEngine, PHP, ASP, ...
2012-10-12 08:02:04 kranius: not really
2012-10-12 08:02:18 NDakotaBE: Might I ask why not?
2012-10-12 08:02:21 Sandkorn: see: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
2012-10-12 08:02:31 kranius: because it's about client side
2012-10-12 08:02:50 kranius: you answererd your own question
2012-10-12 08:03:32 kranius: AFAIK maybe we will find *pointers* to server-side stuff
2012-10-12 08:03:40 NDakotaBE: I see.
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2012-10-12 08:09:06 ctoveloz[BR]: coffe :)
2012-10-12 08:09:31 Sandkorn: *jealous*
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2012-10-12 08:15:51 vldcnst: someone likes math
2012-10-12 08:16:37 sz0ka: vldcnst: I thought exactly the same thing a second ago xD
2012-10-12 08:16:52 sz0ka: "Yeah well, pi as exit message.. Nerd.."
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2012-10-12 08:22:01 ctoveloz[BR]: is a good alternative for those who do not like math hehe
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2012-10-12 08:33:32 superchu: hi
2012-10-12 08:33:47 ctoveloz[BR]: hi
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2012-10-12 08:41:24 superchu: so..
2012-10-12 08:41:45 superchu: will there be any guides/how-to's on webplatform.org?
2012-10-12 08:42:23 superchu: im thinking like. how to build a website from scratch, converting the photoshop mockup to html/css and so on?
2012-10-12 08:42:24 mstalfoort: superchu, my guess the tutorial section
2012-10-12 08:42:26 superchu: do's and don'ts
2012-10-12 08:42:35 superchu: cool
2012-10-12 08:43:11 _WiZZarD: superchu: chances are that those subjects are too specific and in-depth for the site
2012-10-12 08:43:12 mstalfoort: though, i dont think starting from scratch
2012-10-12 08:43:42 mstalfoort: it will cover the technologies, but a complete workflow? dont think so
2012-10-12 08:44:21 Sandkorn: check http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/tutorials for ex. whats currently around.. maybe write something.. =)
2012-10-12 08:44:32 superchu: i saw it
2012-10-12 08:44:40 superchu: im just trying to figure out the main goal of the site :)
2012-10-12 08:45:04 superchu: but im guessing the main goal is not to target people who are completely new to html/web development?
2012-10-12 08:45:27 mstalfoort: yes it is, by covering the technologies
2012-10-12 08:45:31 superchu: i see
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2012-10-12 08:46:28 Grephix: mstalfoort: however, it's more actual documentation than a site to search for tutorials
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2012-10-12 08:46:44 Sandkorn: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners is already looking like a good refuge for beginners :)
2012-10-12 08:46:50 superchu: cuz i often get questions like: "how should i do this or that?" or "how should i implement this menu" and so on
2012-10-12 08:47:18 mstalfoort: the thing you mentioned are pretty workflow specific, and different per user so by choosing the tech you can discover your flow that suits you superchu
2012-10-12 08:47:22 superchu: so i tought it might be a good idea to be able to forward those questions to a place like webplatform
2012-10-12 08:47:39 Grephix: It's not that much of a howto site, superchu
2012-10-12 08:47:56 superchu: yeah, im getting that now :).
2012-10-12 08:48:12 superchu: so its more like an documentation site for us developers? :)
2012-10-12 08:48:17 Grephix: Exactly
2012-10-12 08:48:23 superchu: well thats great too :D
2012-10-12 08:48:25 Grephix: More reference-like
2012-10-12 08:48:28 mstalfoort: superchu, YES, how cool is that
2012-10-12 08:48:28 superchu: yeah
2012-10-12 08:49:38 ctoveloz[BR]: I think all are the target audience
2012-10-12 08:50:19 ctoveloz[BR]: I for example. have much knowledge but little practical
2012-10-12 08:51:16 ctoveloz[BR]: I'll start at a company next month, but in training.
2012-10-12 08:51:30 superchu: good for you :)
2012-10-12 08:52:20 ctoveloz[BR]: but I've really wanted something from now.
2012-10-12 08:53:06 superchu: Grephix: so. what contributions do you need most right now?
2012-10-12 08:53:17 dontcallmedom: the HTML element pages have detailed info on the associated DOM interface, e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
2012-10-12 08:53:23 dontcallmedom: isn't that redundant with http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLParagraphElement ?
2012-10-12 08:54:08 Sandkorn: superchu, check http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started theres a nice listing of what can be done :-)
2012-10-12 08:54:12 dontcallmedom: also, I would expect the DOM interface shown at the top of the page to be a link to the latter
2012-10-12 08:54:29 dontcallmedom: is it a known a bug that it doesn't, or is there a problem with the way the DOM interface is named?
2012-10-12 08:54:52 superchu: Sandkorn: you swe? :)
2012-10-12 08:54:59 Sandkorn: German =)
2012-10-12 08:55:07 Sandkorn: (but means the same :P)
2012-10-12 08:55:10 superchu: ah. your name sound swedish
2012-10-12 08:55:12 superchu: :)
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2012-10-12 08:57:55 dontcallmedom: chrismills, any view on my question above? (i.e. documenting the DOM interface of HTML elements in the HTML element page or not)
2012-10-12 08:58:09 dontcallmedom: <dontcallmedom> the HTML element pages have detailed info on the associated DOM interface, e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
2012-10-12 08:58:09 dontcallmedom:  isn't that redundant with http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLParagraphElement ?
2012-10-12 08:58:14 dontcallmedom: <dontcallmedom> also, I would expect the DOM interface shown at the top of the page to be a link to the latter
2012-10-12 08:58:14 dontcallmedom:  is it a known a bug that it doesn't, or is there a problem with the way the DOM interface is named?
2012-10-12 08:58:32 paul_irish: dontcallmedom: i think its redundant yeah. we didnt have a way to merge those two pages during the import.
2012-10-12 08:58:59 dontcallmedom: ok, so I will remove the DOM interface from the markup element page
2012-10-12 09:00:30 paul_irish: well
2012-10-12 09:01:36 dontcallmedom wonders about attributes then
2012-10-12 09:01:38 chrismills: dontcallmeDOM +1 to what paul_irish  said - both need to be documented separately, as they are different entities, technology wise, people could quite easily want to search for either. But they should be linked between the two. And to cover the DOM interface on the element page is redundant. That stuff should all be on the dom interface page, and linked to from the element page
2012-10-12 09:02:10 dontcallmedom: right; re link from the element page, there seems to be a defined mechanism for it, but it doesn't create a link
2012-10-12 09:02:21 dontcallmedom: I'm not sure if it's a bug in the template, or in the info as it is entered
2012-10-12 09:02:33 paul_irish: yeah seems like a bug in the template. that should be linked
2012-10-12 09:02:43 paul_irish: over in the Edit everything seems to be correct
2012-10-12 09:03:42 chrismills: lemme just have a play with it
2012-10-12 09:04:16 chrismills: there - http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
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2012-10-12 09:04:36 chrismills: you can turn it into a link manually, using MediaWiki link syntax
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2012-10-12 09:04:49 chrismills: But I would think that should just be done automatically
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2012-10-12 09:05:12 chrismills: so file a bug i reckon
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2012-10-12 09:11:51 dontcallmedom: bug filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19498
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2012-10-12 09:13:47 dontcallmedom: I would like to link the list of "global attributes" (i.e. id, title, etc) from within an HTML element, but I haven't found such a list
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2012-10-12 09:14:26 dontcallmedom: I'm not sure where to put it
2012-10-12 09:14:34 chrismills: cheers dontcallmeDOM
2012-10-12 09:16:56 chrismills: dontcallmeDOM: the most obvious place to put attribute information right now would be the Main content form field.
2012-10-12 09:17:11 chrismills: But I agree that it should probably have it's own specialist field
2012-10-12 09:17:22 dontcallmedom: that's true too, but I meant something else here :)
2012-10-12 09:17:42 dontcallmedom: every single HTML element has a set of default attributes, namely http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/#inf,html,a,global%20HTML%20attributes
2012-10-12 09:17:43 chrismills: ah ;-)
2012-10-12 09:17:56 dontcallmedom: I wonder where to document that list of default attributes
2012-10-12 09:18:04 chrismills: ah yes
2012-10-12 09:18:06 dontcallmedom: (so that it can then be linked from individual elements)
2012-10-12 09:18:29 dontcallmedom: (meanwhile, I'll file a bug for a dedicated attribute section on markup elements)
2012-10-12 09:20:01 chrismills: We have a big list of attributes at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes
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2012-10-12 09:20:25 chrismills: But my feeling is that the global attributes should probably be stored in a single page
2012-10-12 09:20:43 chrismills: Maybe make separate entries for each of them in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes
2012-10-12 09:20:43 dontcallmedom: agreed; but I don't know what path to give to it
2012-10-12 09:20:54 dontcallmedom: hmm... interesting idea indeed
2012-10-12 09:21:10 dontcallmedom: but that page is auto-generated, isn't it?
2012-10-12 09:21:19 ctoveloz[BR]: true this very mixed
2012-10-12 09:21:20 chrismills: But then also create a collection of link to the global ones, at say http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global attributes
2012-10-12 09:21:29 chrismills: sorry
2012-10-12 09:21:38 chrismills: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes
2012-10-12 09:22:35 dontcallmedom: sounds good
2012-10-12 09:22:54 chrismills: the eventual idea is to be able to auto generate those pages based on different flags, so if you flagged an attribute page as attribute and global attribute, you could then have it eppar in both those auto generated pages
2012-10-12 09:23:00 chrismills: appear*
2012-10-12 09:23:09 chrismills: I believe Doug started working on this yesterday
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2012-10-12 09:23:37 chrismills: Also, the auto generated listings are really butt-ugly
2012-10-12 09:23:40 dontcallmedom: ok, so I should abstain to do anything in that space for now then :)
2012-10-12 09:24:00 dontcallmedom had started to look at creating http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes, but http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:New_Page wouldn't let me do that cleanly I think
2012-10-12 09:25:02 chrismills: So we were intending to create a system whereby you can specify what heading you want each to appear under, and the auto generate will create a nicely laid out page, with headings and bulleted lists
2012-10-12 09:25:19 chrismills: for the global_attributes pages
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2012-10-12 09:25:45 chrismills: I'd say just create it using a basic page, but put it under html/global_attributes
2012-10-12 09:26:09 chrismills: dontcallmeDOM: and then perhaps for now just put a link to that cool W3C cheat sheet
2012-10-12 09:26:18 chrismills: to say "this is what should be covered on this page"
2012-10-12 09:26:38 chrismills: I wouldn't start to manually put them all on the page, as this might be a waste of time
2012-10-12 09:27:47 chrismills: you could however start looking through the html attributes pages, and adding pages for any global attributes that aren't already there
2012-10-12 09:28:11 dontcallmedom: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes created
2012-10-12 09:28:28 dontcallmedom: I've put a link to the more trustable list of global attributes
2012-10-12 09:30:50 dontcallmedom: hmm... the content of http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/ in general would be great to import in WebPlatform.org
2012-10-12 09:31:04 dontcallmedom: e.g. stuff in http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/a.html seems very relevant
2012-10-12 09:31:13 dontcallmedom: (and also makes up for a nice template of info for HTML elements)
2012-10-12 09:31:36 chrismills: nice
2012-10-12 09:31:58 chrismills: it would be nice, yes. We should probably look into that at some point
2012-10-12 09:32:31 dontcallmedom: right; that would also require specific approval from W3C since the content is not available under a CC-BY compatible license
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2012-10-12 09:33:16 chrismills: ah. That might be a problem. We are trying to keep away from using stuff that doesn't fall under the right license
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2012-10-12 09:33:33 chrismills: but I can't say for sure.
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2012-10-12 09:36:07 dontcallmedom: that being said, I think the markup spec is generated from RelaxNG schemas that are themselves available under an open source license
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2012-10-12 09:36:27 dontcallmedom: so we may be able to circumvent the issue altogether by importing directly from the RelaxNG schemas
2012-10-12 09:36:39 chrismills: ah ha!
2012-10-12 09:36:43 chrismills: good thought
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2012-10-12 10:15:39 tisch: hey there
2012-10-12 10:16:04 Ompaa: Hi
2012-10-12 10:17:36 arkhi: Hi tisch and Ompaa
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2012-10-12 10:18:10 tisch: where is chrismills going?
2012-10-12 10:18:22 Garbee: _WiZZarD, Where superchu asked earlier about building a website from scratch.  We are going to have some tutorials that cover it, but not as detailed as converting a PSD to a template.  That is getting too specific.  (sorry if already answered like this, I'm just catching up in the logs.)
2012-10-12 10:18:30 arkhi: I hqve no idea, tisch.
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2012-10-12 10:34:09 sauloco: WAYTA?
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2012-10-12 10:37:47 sauloco: Hi!
2012-10-12 10:37:55 arkhi: Hello sauloco
2012-10-12 10:39:22 _WiZZarD: thats roughly what I said
2012-10-12 10:39:22 _WiZZarD: but then with 500 words less
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2012-10-12 12:12:54 SpyMaster356: hello
2012-10-12 12:13:03 Sandkorn: Hey!
2012-10-12 12:13:26 SpyMaster356: my teacher just showed WebPlatform in class. Look great
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2012-10-12 12:17:44 arkhi: That must be a good teacher. :)
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2012-10-12 12:18:46 arkhi: Hope for the best; prepare for the worst…
2012-10-12 12:18:52 richardainz|work: true
2012-10-12 12:19:43 _WiZZarD: sweet :)
2012-10-12 12:21:18 sauloco: we are happy with that... but could be that the teacher said: "WebPlatform is a $%&%$&%", please, tell us more!
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2012-10-12 12:30:52 Unitron: Hello!
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2012-10-12 12:31:09 Unitron: Error 503 Service Unavailable  Service Unavailable Guru Meditation:  XID: 2474573199  Varnish cache server
2012-10-12 12:31:22 Unitron: and question
2012-10-12 12:31:39 Unitron: Who work with game constructors?
2012-10-12 12:32:06 Unitron: What game constructor work with WebGL?
2012-10-12 12:32:22 arkhi: Hello Unitron
2012-10-12 12:32:35 Unitron: hi
2012-10-12 12:32:49 arkhi: I’am afraid you’re on the wrong chan to discuss game related issues.
2012-10-12 12:33:08 Garbee: Unitron, Uh, where are you getting that error now?
2012-10-12 12:33:42 Unitron: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
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2012-10-12 12:34:06 Garbee: I'm not getting it.
2012-10-12 12:34:18 Unitron: now site work
2012-10-12 12:34:24 Unitron: but 4 min last
2012-10-12 12:34:37 Garbee: Odd.  Yea, I will let the proper person know to look into it once they are back.
2012-10-12 12:34:41 Garbee: I see they are away atm.
2012-10-12 12:35:12 Unitron: ok
2012-10-12 12:35:17 Garbee: We had issues the past two nights around 9 with the backup system being the root cause iirc.  This shouldn't be connected though since those took the whole site down.
2012-10-12 12:35:27 Unitron: add on channel more game developers please
2012-10-12 12:35:29 Garbee: Well, the whole doc section.
2012-10-12 12:35:37 Garbee: Unitron, That isn't what this channel is for.
2012-10-12 12:35:38 As4xk: Unitron: for your wuestion: Try #webgl
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2012-10-12 12:36:02 Garbee: And it isn't like we just "add" people.  They need to decide to join in and contribute.
2012-10-12 12:36:30 Unitron: ok
2012-10-12 12:36:51 Garbee: Yea, #webgl and I would like to say ##javascript might have some people able to help answer questions since I think you would be using JS somewhere for an online game.
2012-10-12 12:37:04 Unitron: You have to lure them.
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2012-10-12 12:37:20 Unitron: they they come on channel
2012-10-12 12:37:23 Garbee: We aren't trapping people.  That is rude and I also believe illegal.
2012-10-12 12:37:37 richardainz|work: hmm, most certainly so
2012-10-12 12:38:16 Unitron: oh no
2012-10-12 12:38:24 Unitron: its googlr translate...
2012-10-12 12:38:36 Garbee: There is nothing to lure for.  We are here to talk and answer questions about webplatform.org and its cotents.  Period.
2012-10-12 12:38:46 Sandkorn: btw. i just followed the mail discussion with one eye this morning. was there a conclusion on what this channel is about.. and what not?
2012-10-12 12:38:50 richardainz|work: Unitron, what is your native language?
2012-10-12 12:38:56 varl: actually webplatform-site is for content discussion
2012-10-12 12:39:00 arkhi: Garbee: Google translator might have come with the “lure” thingy. :)
2012-10-12 12:39:02 Garbee: Sandkorn, Not quite yet, but It hink we are getting much closer.
2012-10-12 12:39:03 Unitron: You can say that you have a delicious cookies, and they will come.
2012-10-12 12:39:07 Garbee: varl, That is only a temp solution atm.
2012-10-12 12:39:11 Sandkorn: goodie :)
2012-10-12 12:39:18 Garbee: I think*
2012-10-12 12:39:25 richardainz|work: whats with googl transvestite machine
2012-10-12 12:39:47 richardainz|work: you lost me guys
2012-10-12 12:39:52 richardainz|work: ah well¨
2012-10-12 12:39:56 Garbee: ahaha
2012-10-12 12:39:56 varl: Garbee: no idea. the topics are kind of contradictive as well.
2012-10-12 12:40:05 arkhi: varl: agreed
2012-10-12 12:40:26 arkhi: topic says “Support and conversation about webplatform.org”
2012-10-12 12:40:47 Garbee: Yea, we have an odd setup due to the debate over if we should allow these odd-ball questions or not.
2012-10-12 12:41:16 Garbee: Hopefully in a day or two we will have a consensus on what to do and we will get back to having one room.
2012-10-12 12:41:33 richardainz|work: odd setup my behind, it awkward to say the least, where you need clarity and consecuence, you introduce confusion
2012-10-12 12:42:01 arkhi: richardainz|work ?
2012-10-12 12:42:03 richardainz|work: but its better today, I guess
2012-10-12 12:42:05 varl: I think we'd benefit from taking a "nice guy/gal" stance and not boot out oddballs.
2012-10-12 12:42:14 Garbee: Yea it is, because we don't have a clear consensus on what people want this room to really be for.
2012-10-12 12:42:25 richardainz|work: its a wip
2012-10-12 12:42:38 richardainz|work: as in work in progress
2012-10-12 12:42:39 Unitron: I think there have to answer all questions. The more questions, the more people. And better.
2012-10-12 12:42:55 Sandkorn throws a cookie
2012-10-12 12:42:57 richardainz|work: you cant do that either
2012-10-12 12:43:04 richardainz|work: quality will suffer
2012-10-12 12:43:20 Garbee: varl, Yea, I see that, but I see it also just duplicating efforts (SE/SO) and adding on top of what we do which is writing good docs.
2012-10-12 12:43:37 Garbee: See Unitron that is where we disagree.
2012-10-12 12:44:00 Garbee: I hang out in ##twitter-bootstrap.  In fact just the other day I had someone in there for a few days asking how to integrate some random 3rd party jQuery plugin into their site.
2012-10-12 12:44:17 Garbee: Just because they were using Bootstrap they thought we were supposed to help with whatever general issues they had.
2012-10-12 12:44:55 Garbee: I don't want to see this become the same type of thing.  If it can improve the docs, sure lets do our best to answer the question and try to improve as a result.  But oddball stuff, lets get people to more proper places for support.
2012-10-12 12:45:19 Unitron: Gabree, channel for WEB DEVELOPERS! YES?
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2012-10-12 12:45:52 varl: Garbee: duplicating efforts, how? We shouldn't forget that IRC is for chat, the documentation doesn't happen here. Here, it's mainly relayed to people that cannot find it themselves.
2012-10-12 12:45:53 arkhi: Unitron: not necessarily; for people who want to help build webplatform.org
2012-10-12 12:46:40 Unitron: If there will be a lot of people, there will always be. those who mougut answer. Must tolerate the users, we can not dismiss them and kick.
2012-10-12 12:46:48 Garbee: varl, Duplicating efforts by providing support in *yet another* area.
2012-10-12 12:47:06 Munter: #web is probably the best channel for web developers. But they will also send you to other channels if there is one specific to the topic of your question
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2012-10-12 12:48:14 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic   --This is actually a pretty good overview of how I think things should be.  With a change proposed and more people looking over it and agreeing upon it.  Although I don't like the idea of separating what IRC and Q&A do, so that needs to be looked over.
2012-10-12 12:48:29 Garbee: Also what is there is Chris's work.
2012-10-12 12:48:34 Unitron: You can help people and give them a link, but do not chase people away, do not kick, do not ban.
2012-10-12 12:49:00 varl: Garbee: I'm not following exactly what problem it is you are trying to highlight.
2012-10-12 12:49:09 Garbee: Unitron, We don't kick and ban unless someone is being an issue.
2012-10-12 12:49:55 Garbee: We would help the oddball question askers by sending them to proper places for support.  Not by sitting here and trying to figure it out ourselves adding more noise to the channel(s).
2012-10-12 12:50:54 Unitron: In any case, the more questions, the more answers, and the more people.
2012-10-12 12:51:39 eternicode: The more people asking general help questions, simply because we allow it, the more noise, and the lower the SNR.
2012-10-12 12:51:51 Garbee: varl, Looks like someone has hidden or deleted a perfect example question in Q&A.
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2012-10-12 12:52:16 Unitron: SNR?
2012-10-12 12:52:24 Garbee: Signal to Noise Ratio
2012-10-12 12:52:47 eternicode: ^
2012-10-12 12:52:56 Garbee: In other words it adds more to distract us from the main point of the channel, and also I learn that tends to add confusion to everything.
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2012-10-12 12:53:06 Unitron: You do not understand anything in SEO.
2012-10-12 12:53:12 Garbee: ?
2012-10-12 12:53:14 varl: Garbee: this is by definition offtopic then. We should stop. :)
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2012-10-12 12:53:32 Garbee: Unitron, Forget SEO.
2012-10-12 12:54:03 Unitron: On the site in the future will be a lot of different articles on very different issues.
2012-10-12 12:54:17 Garbee: varl, For now it is completely on-topic since we are still deciding what to do.  Plus it is a function of webplatform.org, so it could still fall under the topic.
2012-10-12 12:54:27 eternicode: varl, it's meta discussion about the site, very on-topic ;)
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2012-10-12 12:54:42 Garbee: Unitron, Not issues.  We don't doc everything that we see broken and how to fix it.
2012-10-12 12:54:49 Garbee: We document the platform.
2012-10-12 12:54:52 Garbee: Perhaps common pitfalls.
2012-10-12 12:55:00 Garbee: But not in the way I think you're thinking.
2012-10-12 12:55:08 Garbee: SE/SO is for that type of stuff.
2012-10-12 12:56:10 Unitron: We must not forget, need a good reputation, good reviews of the site. In order to attract new users.
2012-10-12 12:57:11 Unitron: its gtranslate what u mean?
2012-10-12 12:57:53 Garbee: Unitron, We get a good repuation by being built by some very reputable and trusted developers.  On top of that being developer driven in documentation.
2012-10-12 12:57:58 Unitron: Chat is needed, in addition to search.
2012-10-12 12:58:08 varl: Garbee, eternicode: everything can be argued.
2012-10-12 12:58:14 Unitron: Community support.
2012-10-12 12:58:28 Garbee: Unitron, Exactly, we are developer documentation.
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2012-10-12 12:58:34 Unitron: as addition to search.
2012-10-12 12:58:53 eternicode: Unitron, general support ("I can't get X to work, here's my code") already has a community in StackOverflow and the SE network of sites.  We're noot trying to split that.  WPD's goal is to *document* frontend tech, not be a helpdesk for it.
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2012-10-12 12:59:13 Garbee: varl, I have thought about this so many ways it is insane.  I still think it is best to not have General Support which is why I'm bringing it up.
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2012-10-12 12:59:55 varl: Garbee: I don't disagree with the mentality
2012-10-12 13:00:29 Garbee: I just see it in TWBS and I don't want that type of stuff occuring over here too.
2012-10-12 13:00:50 Garbee: Just because we are documenting things doesn't mean we should support every little thing that has to do with building a site.
2012-10-12 13:00:57 Unitron: eter why not be? will be just not official maybe
2012-10-12 13:01:12 Garbee: Unitron, Even if unnofficial it adds noise.
2012-10-12 13:01:29 Garbee: The point it is to reduce noise by getting the people to proper support areas.
2012-10-12 13:01:30 eternicode: Unitron, it adds noise to the site, lowering the SNR ;)
2012-10-12 13:01:56 eternicode: besides that, they're likely to get much higher quality help on SO.
2012-10-12 13:01:58 ravenzz: infact we should redirect people to the language channel if there is one
2012-10-12 13:02:14 Garbee: ravenzz, That among other things.
2012-10-12 13:02:23 varl: the #web mentality is fine for now, be helpful and respectful, and offer redirects to whatever #channel that is proper
2012-10-12 13:02:27 ravenzz: otherwise this will be the #web2
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2012-10-12 13:02:42 Garbee: I'm all for being helpful and getting people to the proper place.  But doing it ourselves is just an insane task adding so much noise.
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2012-10-12 13:02:58 ricklamersdriel: Any1 here familiar with Varnish Cache?
2012-10-12 13:03:14 Unitron: Do not use acronyms please, I just do not understand
2012-10-12 13:03:19 Garbee: ricklamersdriel, Are you getting errors too?
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2012-10-12 13:03:32 Garbee: Unitron, What acronym are you having issues with?
2012-10-12 13:03:38 Garbee: Or acronyms?
2012-10-12 13:03:38 ricklamersdriel: Uhm, not really errors.
2012-10-12 13:03:50 eternicode: Unitron, SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio, as mentioned before.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio
2012-10-12 13:03:55 ricklamersdriel: Its working on localhost, but not on external IP.
2012-10-12 13:04:08 ricklamersdriel: I have it configured using MAMP on OS X Lion
2012-10-12 13:04:11 varl: ricklamersdriel: are you getting varnish errors on webplatform.org?
2012-10-12 13:04:17 eternicode: ricklamersdriel, #varnish is probably going to be more helpful.
2012-10-12 13:04:27 varl: ricklamersdriel: if not, this is the wrong place.
2012-10-12 13:04:31 ricklamersdriel: Ah okay ill check thet eternicode. Thanks anyway.
2012-10-12 13:04:34 Garbee: Does FreeNode have a chatroom for everything?
2012-10-12 13:04:43 eternicode: seems like it :)
2012-10-12 13:04:46 Garbee: That is just insane.
2012-10-12 13:04:47 ravenzz: #defocus
2012-10-12 13:04:49 ravenzz: :f
2012-10-12 13:04:56 ravenzz: or #web
2012-10-12 13:04:57 ricklamersdriel: No errors on webplatform.org. Moving chatroom.
2012-10-12 13:05:14 Garbee: We have been having some Varnish issues with the site. :/
2012-10-12 13:05:22 Garbee: They are getting worked on though.
2012-10-12 13:05:31 varl: there's like 40k chatrooms on freenode, mostly for "open projects". the coverage is pretty crazy
2012-10-12 13:05:44 eternicode: I usually just guess the topic's chatroom, do a "/topic #channel", and if a topic comes back that seems sensible, mention it.
2012-10-12 13:05:47 Garbee: Yea.  Maybe there is one for helping with SSO...
2012-10-12 13:06:01 miChou: #starcraft
2012-10-12 13:06:11 Unitron: I can not understand what kind of support you would like to have here?
2012-10-12 13:06:14 Garbee: What does Starcraft have to do with anything?
2012-10-12 13:06:15 miChou: my bad, wrong win
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2012-10-12 13:06:45 Garbee: Unitron, We have support for webplatform.org documentation.  We also organize contributions and other tasks for the site.
2012-10-12 13:07:02 eternicode: Unitron, meta support.  Relating to the site and its contents.  For example, if someone has a question about a wiki article's content, they can discuss it here before deciding to edit it.
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2012-10-12 13:07:09 Garbee: If you see something on the site and don't understand or need more info, then bring it up.  We can try to help which also helps us improve documentation later on.
2012-10-12 13:07:16 Unitron: There are so many different topics and themes will be.
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2012-10-12 13:08:00 Unitron: :(
2012-10-12 13:09:01 Garbee: We could end up deciding to do general support.  But at that point I could also say there would be a handful of us that pretty much just focus our efforts into -site.
2012-10-12 13:09:32 Garbee: But from the look of things it is going the other way.  But at this moment, who really knows.
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2012-10-12 13:10:44 Unitron: I'm a beginner web developer. I must to find another resource (site) for learning?  And in the future, if I'll study content of your website and I'll have any questions, then I can ask them here?
2012-10-12 13:11:09 Garbee: Hopefully when we get some things ironed out even begginners can find the site super-helpful.
2012-10-12 13:11:20 Garbee: Right now though, it is *very* early and things need to get cleaned up.
2012-10-12 13:12:09 Unitron: ok :(
2012-10-12 13:12:16 Unitron: thx then
2012-10-12 13:12:18 Garbee: I'm sorry, but right now that is just the truth of it.
2012-10-12 13:12:20 Unitron: and bb
2012-10-12 13:12:34 Grephix: that's what she said Garbee
2012-10-12 13:12:51 Garbee: Grephix, So not the time or place...
2012-10-12 13:13:24 Grephix: True, cudn't help it though. Probably's got something to do with it being friday.
2012-10-12 13:13:31 Grephix: Sorry, will head back into the devcave.
2012-10-12 13:13:40 ravenzz: Unitron you can start from here http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page
2012-10-12 13:14:16 Unitron: part
2012-10-12 13:14:20 Garbee: Unitron, Here is a nice resource to learn from as well:  https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/wiki/library   Great articles listed.
2012-10-12 13:14:26 Garbee: aw, missed him.
2012-10-12 13:15:23 Grephix: Hmm wow, nice reference Garbee
2012-10-12 13:15:32 Garbee: H5BP = epic project.
2012-10-12 13:15:41 Grephix: I know quite some people here that might find that very interesting
2012-10-12 13:15:44 Garbee: I miss the on-site docs they had though.
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2012-10-12 13:18:39 arkhi: There I go…
2012-10-12 13:18:39 arkhi: Good night all!
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2012-10-12 13:25:04 shaundunne: yeah, that was clever *facepalm
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2012-10-12 13:50:13 NotTomato: Hello!
2012-10-12 13:51:10 rusfel: Hi
2012-10-12 13:51:43 Grephix: Hi NotTomato :)
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2012-10-12 14:22:06 NotTomato:  Hi sonotos.
2012-10-12 14:22:22 robertpitt_: Hey Guys
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2012-10-12 14:22:30 NotTomato: Hi robertpitt_!
2012-10-12 14:22:44 robertpitt_: Hows it going
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2012-10-12 14:23:40 sonotos: hi NotTomato
2012-10-12 14:24:35 NotTomato: Oh you know robertpitt_, watching someone post virtually the same question two times in a row on the Q&A.
2012-10-12 14:24:54 NotTomato: So I guess confused, how are you?
2012-10-12 14:24:54 sonotos: so business as usual
2012-10-12 14:25:14 NotTomato: Yeah, lol.
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2012-10-12 14:33:01 dontcallmedom: hmm... when hitting "Edit" on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics  I get page full of empty forms
2012-10-12 14:33:09 dontcallmedom: (whereas "edit source" seems to do the right thing)
2012-10-12 14:33:13 dontcallmedom: not sure how to fix that
2012-10-12 14:34:37 tisch: hi there
2012-10-12 14:35:18 Garbee: I think we just need one edit button.  Having 2 honestly confuses me.
2012-10-12 14:37:04 NotTomato: Edit source lets you got to the mediawiki code.
2012-10-12 14:37:07 NotTomato: It would be best not to remove it.
2012-10-12 14:37:10 NotTomato: I need it to edit templates.
2012-10-12 14:37:39 dontcallmedom: it also helps when the regular "edit" button doesn't work (as in my report above)
2012-10-12 14:38:02 NotTomato: dontcallmedom, I've run into those problems too.
2012-10-12 14:38:15 NotTomato: But I have found if I add the default templates, the edit form will show up.
2012-10-12 14:38:16 NotTomato: Sometimes.
2012-10-12 14:38:22 NotTomato: So maybe there's a template missing from the page.
2012-10-12 14:39:15 NotTomato: Wait hold on
2012-10-12 14:39:24 NotTomato: Hmm.
2012-10-12 14:39:44 NotTomato: Edit forms is working fine for me on that page but the problem is most of the templates are blank.
2012-10-12 14:39:47 NotTomato: No one put anything in them.
2012-10-12 14:40:03 NotTomato: by anything I mean no variables were set for most of them. o;
2012-10-12 14:40:09 dontcallmedom: right
2012-10-12 14:40:20 dontcallmedom: but where is then the (real) content of the page?
2012-10-12 14:40:25 dontcallmedom: and how would you edit it?
2012-10-12 14:40:40 NotTomato: Which part are you trying to edit?
2012-10-12 14:40:48 dontcallmedom: (note that the first forms are no longer blank because I managed to fix the syntax error that were preventing them to be correctly filled)
2012-10-12 14:40:59 NotTomato: Ah okay you fixed it, no wonder, hahaha.
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2012-10-12 14:41:38 dontcallmedom: re what part, I still can't edit any of the actual text of the page through the edit button
2012-10-12 14:42:21 dontcallmedom: the edit forms don't have a "Main Content" block as other pages do, so that's probably related
2012-10-12 14:42:33 dontcallmedom: (there is just " Content" one, not styled like the others, and empty)
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2012-10-12 14:44:12 dontcallmedom: the content isn't part of a {{}} section in the source, that probably explains it
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2012-10-12 14:44:50 NotTomato: Yeah, I was about to go look up which part of the template it's suppose to be in and tell you but you got it, by the way, there is about 500 pages set up this way.
2012-10-12 14:45:01 NotTomato: I'm still trying to figure out how to fix them all, you'll find a lot of pages like this in svg though.
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2012-10-12 14:45:54 dontcallmedom: is there a way to set up a wikibot to fix these in batch?
2012-10-12 14:46:11 NotTomato: Yeah, pywikipediabot could probably do it.
2012-10-12 14:46:34 dontcallmedom: hmm... I have added a {{Guide}} template, but not the "edit" button tells me "Warning: More than one default form is defined for this page."
2012-10-12 14:46:37 NotTomato: but the problem is the batch is kind of thrown all over the place and not in one category, so it's hard to get the bot to find them.
2012-10-12 14:47:02 NotTomato: I was editing the page earlier, maybe we were editing at the same time, just skip the warning.
2012-10-12 14:47:09 dontcallmedom: ok
2012-10-12 14:47:09 NotTomato: I didn't add anything too valuable
2012-10-12 14:48:19 tobie: Updated the bot. You can now easily remind someone of the channel's topic:
2012-10-12 14:48:30 NotTomato: Thanks tobie~
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2012-10-12 14:48:51 mstalfoort: !help
2012-10-12 14:48:51 wpdbot: mstalfoort: Here's a list of all the commands I support: apple, beginner, blog, bugfiling, bugs, contribute, docs, faq, forum, goto, help, ontopic, pr, tutorials, and wpd. You can message me privately to see what each one does.
2012-10-12 14:48:54 ravenzz: quit
2012-10-12 14:48:58 tobie: NotTomato: !ontopic
2012-10-12 14:48:58 wpdbot: NotTomato: #webplatform is for conversation and questions about the webplatform.org site and its contents. See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic for more details on what's appropriate to discuss here.
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2012-10-12 14:49:12 NotTomato: Yes bot, sorry bot.
2012-10-12 14:49:12 Sandkorn: tobie: !apple
2012-10-12 14:49:12 mstalfoort: \o/
2012-10-12 14:49:12 wpdbot: tobie: Apple chose explicitly to not have its logo in the footer.
2012-10-12 14:49:14 tobie: And direct him/her to a more adequate channel, eg.:
2012-10-12 14:49:34 tobie: mstalfoort: !goto #jquery ##javascript
2012-10-12 14:49:34 wpdbot: mstalfoort: #webplatform is for conversation and questions about the webplatform.org site, not for general support. Your question would be best answered in #jquery or ##javascript.
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2012-10-12 14:50:02 mdel: very nice
2012-10-12 14:50:09 _Rainulf: haha Awesome
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2012-10-12 14:50:34 tobie: As usual, pull requests are welcomed.
2012-10-12 14:50:38 tobie: _Rainulf: !pr
2012-10-12 14:50:38 wpdbot: _Rainulf: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
2012-10-12 14:50:53 _Rainulf: wpdbot: thank you
2012-10-12 14:51:35 Garbee: I think having the command actually called goto might be a little rude to some...
2012-10-12 14:51:50 tobie: Garbee: !pr
2012-10-12 14:51:50 wpdbot: Garbee: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
2012-10-12 14:52:04 tobie: ;)
2012-10-12 14:52:09 mdel: meh, i think its fine
2012-10-12 14:52:14 mstalfoort: bot is on a roll
2012-10-12 14:52:20 tobie: Garbee: it was supposed to be a funny reference.
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2012-10-12 15:05:39 dontcallmedom: so http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics is a dup of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/programming_basics (and is flagged as such)
2012-10-12 15:05:48 dontcallmedom: but I'm not sure which of the two locations is the most appropriate
2012-10-12 15:06:19 robertpitt_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPdhx5zTaw
2012-10-12 15:06:28 dontcallmedom: the fact that http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts says that it "lists guide and tutorial articles" doesn't help me making the stinction between a page in concepts and a page in tutorials
2012-10-12 15:06:30 NotTomato: hmmm
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2012-10-12 15:06:59 NotTomato: probably /concepts/programming/programming_basics just because the link is formatted to be searched easily
2012-10-12 15:07:10 NotTomato: but if it seems like more of a tutorial for you
2012-10-12 15:07:29 NotTomato: just pick one and I'll delete the duplicate or make it into a redirect to the other
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2012-10-12 15:07:59 dontcallmedom: hmm... I guess tutorials being about "hands-on lessons about implementing web technology", concept is probably a better fit
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2012-10-12 15:08:03 dontcallmedom: I'll make the redirect
2012-10-12 15:08:13 NotTomato: Oh okay thanks!
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2012-10-12 15:10:29 dontcallmedom: NotTomato, I guess I don't have the privileges needed for deleting/redirecting
2012-10-12 15:10:34 dontcallmedom: so I'll take up your offer then :)
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2012-10-12 15:11:49 NotTomato: You can edit the page and make it into a redirect, just can't delete it.
2012-10-12 15:13:05 NotTomato: #REDIRECT [[concepts/programming/programming_basics]]
2012-10-12 15:13:09 NotTomato: just paste it on the page Dom. o;
2012-10-12 15:13:57 NotTomato: You can do it I believe in you~
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2012-10-12 15:14:02 NotTomato: dontcallmedom
2012-10-12 15:14:26 dontcallmedom: oh, thx
2012-10-12 15:14:39 dontcallmedom: my wiki fu wasn't up to the task :)
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2012-10-12 15:15:24 dontcallmedom: done
2012-10-12 15:15:28 NotTomato: Awesome.
2012-10-12 15:16:10 NotTomato: Strangely, I'm still seeing the page, I wonder if it's my cache.
2012-10-12 15:16:34 NotTomato: Oh it was a space, it's working now.
2012-10-12 15:16:41 _Rainulf: It looks fine to me :)
2012-10-12 15:16:55 dontcallmedom: rah, a space!
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2012-10-12 15:20:08 NotTomato: Thanks for all the help dontcallmedom
2012-10-12 15:20:22 NotTomato: I'm glad someone else noticed how messy the pages are, I thought I was alone in my conquest to organize.
2012-10-12 15:20:28 dontcallmedom: :)
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2012-10-12 15:32:09 dontcallmedom: hmm... 468 orphaned pages... talk about structuring existing stuff! http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:LonelyPages
2012-10-12 15:32:40 dontcallmedom: I guess lots of them are stub
2012-10-12 15:33:06 tisch: the q&a isnt for questions like: how to fix my really nice websocket 3d game. Or am I wrong?
2012-10-12 15:33:12 NotTomato: A lot are probably duplicates too.
2012-10-12 15:33:53 NotTomato: tisch, I've been so confused by the new rules that I'm not really sure myself, I was hoping to see something written out before I made any harsh moderation judgements.
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2012-10-12 15:34:03 NotTomato: But probably not.
2012-10-12 15:34:09 NotTomato: Making a game isn't related to web development.
2012-10-12 15:34:14 NotTomato: You can reject it or hide it if you want.
2012-10-12 15:34:54 tisch: that was an example I mean _every_ type of personal programming Qs
2012-10-12 15:35:40 NotTomato: I think personal programming questions are allowed to be put up? And the IRC is for meta site discussion? I'm not really sure, but you can just approve it for now and once the rules are in place, we can clean out whatever we need to on Q&A.
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2012-10-12 15:36:28 NotTomato: tisch, are you on the mailing list?
2012-10-12 15:37:25 NotTomato: You must be if you're a mod, I don't know why I'm asking.
2012-10-12 15:37:31 NotTomato: but they have been talking about Q&A policy there.
2012-10-12 15:37:44 tisch: nope coulnd not yet find the way to there :)
2012-10-12 15:38:01 NotTomato: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
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2012-10-12 15:38:17 tisch: how do I reject a question. It seems that I dont have any addional right on my account
2012-10-12 15:39:42 moka: Hello there, just registered on WebPlatform, and already tried to edit some stuff regarding html5 canvas, JS documentation. On page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/methods/lineTo summary there has no new lines, but on this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/objects/CanvasRenderingContext2D where is table of methods, summary is used and there is new lines. As well its not recached well, after first edit, any othe
2012-10-12 15:39:55 moka: or without were not recaching table details on this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/objects/CanvasRenderingContext2D
2012-10-12 15:40:50 eternicode: NotTomato, these are the only written/public/official guidelines I'm aware of: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic .  The Q&A section says everything good for IRC is good for Q&A, and "it may also be appropriate to answer some questions on technology specifics", which become a judgement call for the moderators.
2012-10-12 15:41:19 moka: As well preview does not escape html and javascript the same way as actual live view which leads to compiled example code (executes is within page), it actually might lead to some issues in future that javascript easily can be edited and injected, then when someone will preview page it will execute it, that can lead to some data steal or similar.
2012-10-12 15:41:53 moka: I know it is in Alpha state, but couldn't find any bugtracker or so..
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2012-10-12 15:42:18 bbdarkclown: hi
2012-10-12 15:42:31 tisch: moka: if you like you can file a bug here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
2012-10-12 15:42:56 _Rainulf: moka: Don't forget to check this out: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
2012-10-12 15:43:04 eternicode: moka, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
2012-10-12 15:43:12 eternicode: derp
2012-10-12 15:43:15 _Rainulf: =D
2012-10-12 15:43:43 tisch: NotTomato: couldnt you delete my damn stupid answer? :)
2012-10-12 15:43:49 eternicode: moka, also, I don't know if there's a bug for it, but preview-mode being overzealous is a known bug.
2012-10-12 15:43:52 moka: Thanks guys.
2012-10-12 15:44:44 ale_polidori: part
2012-10-12 15:44:48 NotTomato: Done tisch.
2012-10-12 15:45:13 tisch: NotTomato: thanks
2012-10-12 15:45:54 _Rainulf: moka: Thank you too, for contributing :)
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2012-10-12 15:47:54 moka: As well freenode IRC server has web client: http://webchat.freenode.net/ which I am using right now. And it would be cool to add this link somewhere in Chat section, unless high traffic to this channel is not meant (like to filter off the ones who does not work hard to actually get here, which is not hard, but there is lots of different brain capabilities around the globe..) :)
2012-10-12 15:50:36 dontcallmedom: hmm... I have fixed http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/location/host to refer to apis/location (instead of api/location), but it still doesn't show up in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/location
2012-10-12 15:51:05 dontcallmedom: is there some form of caching for auto-generated pages that would explain this?
2012-10-12 15:51:16 dontcallmedom: (mediawiki still see apis/location/host as an orphaned page)
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2012-10-12 15:54:06 mdel: dontcallmedom: you just have to hit the "refresh" link
2012-10-12 15:54:17 mdel: i just did this, and now it shows up
2012-10-12 15:54:26 mdel: refresh is under that blue dropdown
2012-10-12 15:54:37 dontcallmedom: oh, I would never have known, thanks!
2012-10-12 15:54:46 mdel: np :) good work too
2012-10-12 15:55:02 NotTomato: Hitting ctrl+F5 and hard refreshing can get past it sometimes too dontcallmedom, if that's easier for you to do, I usually do that.
2012-10-12 15:55:22 dontcallmedom: I tried hard-refresh, but to no avail
2012-10-12 15:55:28 NotTomato: Oh wow really.
2012-10-12 15:55:32 _Rainulf: moka: The freenode's web client was taken down due to spam issues and related - though I could be wrong, correct me anyone if I'm wrong
2012-10-12 15:55:33 NotTomato: Well darn.
2012-10-12 15:55:53 Garbee: Wow... we need a print style.
2012-10-12 15:56:04 eternicode: _Rainulf, I think that's right, but there are plans to re-up it. I think.
2012-10-12 15:56:32 dontcallmedom: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Detecting_device_and_browser is directly on the root, where as I suspect it should rather be in concepts
2012-10-12 15:56:50 dontcallmedom: so unless someone knows a good reason, I'll move it there
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2012-10-12 15:57:42 NotTomato: dontcallmedon, go ahead and move it, just another lost page sadly.
2012-10-12 15:57:45 NotTomato: You'll see a lot of them. ):
2012-10-12 15:58:17 NotTomato: Thanks for the help, a duplicate of that page might be around though.
2012-10-12 15:58:35 NotTomato: I'll try looking for it, usually when pages show up in the root like that, it means someone made a duplicate somewhere and put in the correct place
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2012-10-12 15:58:51 NotTomato: I think these pages were left behind when they created the wiki, then weren't sure how to organize? and left a bunch of pages in the root.
2012-10-12 15:59:29 dontcallmedom: NotTomato, I had already found the dup, actually
2012-10-12 15:59:33 dontcallmedom: and so I set up the redirect
2012-10-12 15:59:39 NotTomato: Oh nice!
2012-10-12 15:59:43 dontcallmedom: (dup was http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Implementing_mobile_browser_feature_detection&redirect=no )
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2012-10-12 16:00:49 moka: As well I think is quiet major issue, that by registering, nickname does replace first letter to capital, my nickname for example instaad of "moka" became "Moka" which really unapropriate for open and free community to edit the way text is shown, as it is very personal bit of information. Is there is any data regarding this?
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2012-10-12 16:01:39 mdel: moka: im with you on that - I dont like my nick showing as Mdel ;)
2012-10-12 16:01:54 NotTomato: moka it's actually a feature of MediaWiki doing that, they can probably disable it.
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2012-10-12 16:02:39 moka: NotTomato: that would be great, as this "feature" is doesn't really suits the website as lots of people will sign up with their nicknames rather than full names
2012-10-12 16:03:23 NotTomato: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks there's a big warning not to mess with it because it might break your pages though
2012-10-12 16:04:29 NotTomato: When you register with mediawiki, your account becomes a link as well, it's part of the user space, so Mediawiki forces the first letter to be capitalized so that the links work correctly, I think messing with this setting would fix it, but also might break a bunch of pages.
2012-10-12 16:04:56 NotTomato: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinkOverrides
2012-10-12 16:09:48 dontcallmedom: argh, someone copied text from a W3C spec directly into a WP article http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/selectors/pseudo-elements
2012-10-12 16:10:23 NotTomato: D:
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2012-10-12 16:30:49 fr0zenice: greetings
2012-10-12 16:31:16 fr0zenice: weekend \o/
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2012-10-12 16:31:31 NotTomato: Hi fr0zenice!
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2012-10-12 16:32:38 Arkkis: I'm getting a login error on the "Create account" page of the forums. Any suggestions?
2012-10-12 16:32:55 eliot: fr0zenice: start the weekend for me. I'm just beginning the workday on the US west coast. :-(
2012-10-12 16:32:55 pradeeban: part
2012-10-12 16:33:07 Arkkis: (I have not yet created my account, and apparently can not atm?)
2012-10-12 16:33:13 NotTomato: Arkkis, try registering on the Docs instead, the accounts rely on the MediaWiki software.
2012-10-12 16:33:14 fr0zenice: I'll drink a beer for you eliot :P
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2012-10-12 16:33:45 fr0zenice: Arkkis: try that link http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup
2012-10-12 16:33:49 eliot: fr0zenice: Thanks! I feel better already
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2012-10-12 16:34:23 Arkkis: okay, thanks, got it working now
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2012-10-12 16:40:01 Arkkis: apparently gmail is putting mediawiki confirmation mails to spam folder :(
2012-10-12 16:40:13 Arkkis: might be a good idea to warn about that
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2012-10-12 16:43:34 Garbee: It isn't mediawiki, it is webplatform.org.
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2012-10-12 16:45:23 Arkkis: okay, then let me rephrase: the confirmation email had to be fished from the spam folder in gmail, might be a good thing to warn people about that. ;)
2012-10-12 16:46:34 _Rainulf: Thanks Arkkis, I reported it. You might wanna unmark it as spam too.
2012-10-12 16:46:43 Arkkis: I did
2012-10-12 16:46:47 _Rainulf: Awesome
2012-10-12 16:46:52 Arkkis: :)
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2012-10-12 16:48:21 Garbee: Well, anything can go to spam.
2012-10-12 16:48:33 Garbee: Does it really need to be warned about at this point?
2012-10-12 16:49:17 dontcallmedom: if it's a widespread issue, it might help a number of interested contributors, yes
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2012-10-12 16:53:23 Arkkis: yep, as you may have noticed, it was no problem for me, but nonetheless, I just felt that it's good to pass this info as there might be someone who does not notice.
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2012-10-12 17:09:24 Rchristiani: Hey, has anyone here ever worked with sitefinity at all?
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2012-10-12 17:09:42 rusfel: unfortunatly
2012-10-12 17:09:42 rusfel: =D
2012-10-12 17:09:56 Rchristiani: ohh
2012-10-12 17:10:04 Rchristiani: I feel that same
2012-10-12 17:10:06 rusfel: was a few years ago
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2012-10-12 17:10:12 rusfel: still bad eh?
2012-10-12 17:10:12 rusfel: lol
2012-10-12 17:10:19 Rchristiani: ever worked with the labels and stuff?
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2012-10-12 17:10:40 Arkkis: Rchristiani, i have worked with sitefinity
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2012-10-12 17:10:48 Garbee: Sitefinity is a bit off-topic.
2012-10-12 17:10:54 rusfel: its been a long time.
2012-10-12 17:11:01 Arkkis: yep, a bit off topic
2012-10-12 17:11:23 Rchristiani: off-topic I go than, or do you mind if pm you Arkkis?
2012-10-12 17:11:44 Arkkis: You can pm me, but I have not worked with labels either :)
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2012-10-12 17:11:57 Garbee: You might want to try there devnet to get some help:  http://www.sitefinity.com/devnet
2012-10-12 17:12:04 fr0zenice: there's also #webplatform-offtopic btw :)
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2012-10-12 17:12:12 Neto: part
2012-10-12 17:12:21 Garbee: their*
2012-10-12 17:12:21 Rchristiani: Yeah I have tried the devnet not to much help
2012-10-12 17:12:23 Rchristiani: ok ok
2012-10-12 17:12:31 Rchristiani: as you were, thanks!
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2012-10-12 17:13:23 _cheney: could also try #asp.net channel
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2012-10-12 17:13:46 Rchristiani: ahh good call _cheney!
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2012-10-12 17:19:34 wax_eagle: Out of curiousity, who makes the actual decisions around here? (what say do the partners have? is there some kind of board that oversees this operation?)
2012-10-12 17:20:35 Snicers-Work3: "Leaving"
2012-10-12 17:21:16 Garbee: The partners have no real say in content.  They support the site through donating information, monetarily, or manpower.  As far as decisions, I think you would need to be a bit more specific on which ones.
2012-10-12 17:21:38 Garbee: Perhaps the stewards have a few other things they do, but those are the big three.
2012-10-12 17:21:40 _cheney: i would say the stewards http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/
2012-10-12 17:22:17 wax_eagle: I'm talking big decisions, direction, launch, choosing all open source etc
2012-10-12 17:22:32 Garbee: That is all up to the people who created it.
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2012-10-12 17:23:00 Garbee: The direction was chosen when the idea was thought of, bring all documentation for web standards into one place.
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2012-10-12 17:23:12 Garbee: Chosing OS tech was the choice they made when building the initial system.
2012-10-12 17:23:13 wax_eagle: ok, I'm behind that, that's a great goal
2012-10-12 17:23:33 Garbee: Launch was... Well, don't ask me who decided on that one because I personally think it was a bit premature.
2012-10-12 17:23:43 wax_eagle: that's painfully obvious
2012-10-12 17:24:12 Garbee: Big Decisions now are basically everyone, but from one thing that has come up it seems like it is more falling over to Mailing List subscribers talking about things to decide.
2012-10-12 17:24:14 wax_eagle: you realize that if this thing blows up your Q&A site is going to bea nightmare right?
2012-10-12 17:24:22 Garbee: No it won't.
2012-10-12 17:24:35 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic  --We are working on ironing this out.
2012-10-12 17:25:07 _cheney: there's a team of volunteer mods making sure things go smoothly
2012-10-12 17:25:17 Garbee: That way everyone will know what we do and the best questions to ask.  And then if someone asks about something we don't support we try to point them in the right direction to get help.
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2012-10-12 17:26:25 wax_eagle: you remember that people don't read, right?
2012-10-12 17:26:58 As4xk: but they learn ;)
2012-10-12 17:26:58 Garbee: wax_eagle, That is why Admins handle the situation appropriately.
2012-10-12 17:27:11 NotTomato: wax_eagle, hey, I read, I swear!!
2012-10-12 17:27:11 wax_eagle: @Garbee relying on admins alone doesn't scale
2012-10-12 17:27:32 wax_eagle: you've got a product with a potential userbase in the millions, what happens when they all start showing up?
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2012-10-12 17:27:54 Garbee: wax_eagle, True, but also trying to enforce proper questions won't ever work.  So it needs to have some kind of peer-pressure on top.
2012-10-12 17:27:54 NotTomato: What happens is by that time, I'm sure the filter will work better.
2012-10-12 17:28:14 NotTomato: And the software will also work a lot better as well.
2012-10-12 17:28:27 As4xk: The number of moderators will grow as userbase grows. maybe not as fast, but users will allso guide users when the userbade get that big :)
2012-10-12 17:28:41 NotTomato: I just think maybe we're talking about something that is far in the future though, we should deal with the issues immediately at hand.. like sessions being lost, people not able to log in, etc.
2012-10-12 17:28:42 As4xk: userbase*
2012-10-12 17:29:02 wax_eagle: @NotTomato implementing openid?
2012-10-12 17:29:03 Garbee: In time people will eventually learn what type of questions are appropriate though.  We simply can't be "yet another place" for support.
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2012-10-12 17:29:38 NotTomato: khayes..
2012-10-12 17:29:57 khayes: NotTomato...
2012-10-12 17:30:05 NotTomato: I feel like I know you..
2012-10-12 17:30:09 NotTomato: Do you work for Curse?
2012-10-12 17:30:10 khayes: Oh?
2012-10-12 17:30:22 khayes: I don't
2012-10-12 17:30:26 khayes: Disney Animation
2012-10-12 17:30:29 wax_eagle: @Garbee have you ever visited SO? people don't learn, at least not at the rate you need them to
2012-10-12 17:30:36 NotTomato: Oh okay, that makes a lot of sense then.
2012-10-12 17:30:45 askhader: khayes: Do you know gregson?
2012-10-12 17:31:26 khayes: askhader: gregson….fraid not. Just did a look up, I don't see anyone here by that name
2012-10-12 17:31:30 Garbee: I'm sorry, but I just can't have this conversation.
2012-10-12 17:31:33 khayes: NotTomato: oh yeah why's that
2012-10-12 17:31:36 askhader: khayes: That would be the last name
2012-10-12 17:31:51 khayes: askhader: yeah, I figured ;-)
2012-10-12 17:32:08 NotTomato: I had a friend in Florida with the same name as you, so I assumed the "disney" aspect of your name meant you were in Florida, not that you actually worked for them.
2012-10-12 17:32:11 khayes: askhader: what does he/she do?
2012-10-12 17:32:11 askhader: khayes: In actuality, the company that employs him was recently acquired by Disney Animation, so perhaps he wouldn't return in such a search.
2012-10-12 17:32:27 khayes: NotTomato: ah, gotcha, yeah I'm in Burbank, CA
2012-10-12 17:32:34 askhader: real time data compression and storage something something
2012-10-12 17:32:59 khayes: askhader: that sounds intriguing, I would like to hear more about it
2012-10-12 17:33:06 khayes: Do you know the name of the co?
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2012-10-12 17:34:56 Garbee: askhader, khayes, and NotTomato, Perhaps take that over to #webplatform-offtopic?
2012-10-12 17:35:11 As4xk: wax_eagle: Can i ask what you end point is? :)
2012-10-12 17:35:20 NotTomato: Fine I will Garbee!
2012-10-12 17:35:29 Garbee: Thank you!
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2012-10-12 17:39:12 tomshreds: Hey guys, I'm starting to get crazy with my slow as hell project/issue tracking. I'd need time management, invoice mangement, issue management, sub-tasks are useful, etc. Any good one to suggest? I used JIRA a lot in the past but it's too "full fledged" for a freelancer like me.
2012-10-12 17:39:22 tomshreds: I used basecamp, teambox, redmine, github issues, mantis, flow, and so much other in the past. I'm completely spoiled it seems like everybody does a shitty job at project management nowadays.
2012-10-12 17:40:31 wax_eagle: @As4xk trying to put it nicely, but you've got the biggest names in tech behind you and it doesn't look like it.
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2012-10-12 17:42:53 Garbee: wax_eagle, It is very early stuff still.
2012-10-12 17:43:03 Garbee: They put it out so the community can get documenting.
2012-10-12 17:43:31 Garbee: Yes, there are issues with the system and they are being worked on.  There is a *reason* it is called an "alpha".
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2012-10-12 17:44:15 As4xk: wax_eagle: Letting the community have control is a choice they made intentionally i would guess :)
2012-10-12 17:44:49 Garbee: Also, We aren't trying to push you away when we ask you to file a bug report.  We are trying to get everything organized and if we filed a bug for everything we see then we would spend half our time just filing bugs for people, not getting other things that we need to done.
2012-10-12 17:45:13 Garbee: It is a slight inconvenience to ask you to file your own bug yes, but sadly it is something that we just don't have all the time for.
2012-10-12 17:45:40 wax_eagle: Garbee: That's what your doing. There is a seperate logon on the bug site. It's bad enough to have to create Yet another login for the Q&A/Wiki. Why are you guys asking for yet another login when there are good open login options? (OpenId?)
2012-10-12 17:46:00 Garbee: Does OpenID tie into MediaWiki?
2012-10-12 17:46:31 paul_irish: wax_eagle: there is an effort to get SSO going and its in progress but we didnt want to block launch on it
2012-10-12 17:48:04 paul_irish: plus your basic openid implementation across all these sites would be way less usable than having these annoying multiple accounts
2012-10-12 17:48:14 paul_irish: so. it's improving iteratively.
2012-10-12 17:48:15 _cheney: webplatform is in alpha and I'm sure ux improvements are in the pipe
2012-10-12 17:48:24 paul_irish: yeaup
2012-10-12 17:49:19 Garbee: paul_irish, Although a good point is raised.  We should look into eventually adding our own bug-tracker.
2012-10-12 17:49:30 Garbee: Not near a priority right now though.
2012-10-12 17:50:22 Garbee: Speaking of priorities... Ryan_Lane have you figured out what you are going to do about the backup system yet?  iirc that was causing the crashes the last few nights.
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2012-10-12 17:51:08 paul_irish: Garbee: adding our own bug tracker? beyond the tickets at w3 bugzilla?
2012-10-12 17:51:22 wax_eagle: Garbee: you could just use the Q&A site and tags
2012-10-12 17:51:29 Ryan_Lane: Garbee: only one backup was causing the issue
2012-10-12 17:51:38 Ryan_Lane: Garbee: the XML dump of the wiki
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2012-10-12 17:51:44 Garbee: wax_eagle, The Q2A system would need to get expanded functionality to be a good bug tracker.
2012-10-12 17:52:03 Ryan_Lane: for the XML ones, I'm either going to fix the maintenance script to not lock, or will switch to using what wikimedia foundation uses
2012-10-12 17:52:19 Garbee: paul_irish, Yea.  That way everything for webplatform.org would be handled at webplatform.org.
2012-10-12 17:52:27 Garbee: Outside of the mailing list.
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2012-10-12 17:52:49 paul_irish: so our own instance of bugzilla that we can get maintain, keep it fast, keep it up, add features? :)
2012-10-12 17:52:57 wax_eagle: Garbee: yes. That *would* be the idea.
2012-10-12 17:52:59 Garbee: paul_irish, And make look all sexy!
2012-10-12 17:53:15 Garbee: Considering w3 is a Steward though I don't see any reason to move the mailing list from them.  Those that want that will get it no matter what.
2012-10-12 17:53:45 Garbee would love to give theming bugzilla or some other bug tracker a go.
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2012-10-12 17:55:08 Garbee: Popular does not mean easy or good looking.
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2012-10-12 17:56:27 eternicode: Garbee, do we have a separate FAQ page for the Q&A site?  In the wiki, perhaps?
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2012-10-12 17:57:08 wax_eagle: eternicode: if it exists it really needs to get linked from the Q&A page
2012-10-12 17:57:34 Garbee: eternicode, Not that I know of.   FAQ for what purpose though?
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2012-10-12 17:58:34 Garbee: I know we have the keeping things on-topic page that we are currently debating on.   Once that is finished we need to get the Q&A buckled down.
2012-10-12 17:58:47 eternicode: for Q&A-specific questions.  For example "why is my username unppercased?", etc. That particular question has a +41 score.
2012-10-12 17:59:03 wax_eagle: Garbee: topicality of questions, how the points sytem works, how moderation works, when/how to flag, when/how to vote, how privileges work (whenever they get added) etc
2012-10-12 17:59:17 Garbee: eternicode, Make one.
2012-10-12 17:59:21 wax_eagle: What is up with the casing of the usernames? that's a seriously arbitrary distinction
2012-10-12 17:59:23 eternicode: would also be a good place for "what goes here" type explanations.
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2012-10-12 17:59:38 _cheney: that's hilarious to me, no one is familiar with mediawiki or wikipedia?
2012-10-12 17:59:53 eternicode: _cheney, I'm not :(
2012-10-12 17:59:55 Garbee: Yea, lets make a FAQ in the wiki somewhere for the Q&A, perhaps under a community related section?  And we can get a link added in the Q2A system when it is done.
2012-10-12 17:59:57 pingu2: hello
2012-10-12 18:00:07 wax_eagle: _cheney: I'm not.
2012-10-12 18:00:21 Garbee: _cheney, This is also a pretty customized system with the forms they added on top.
2012-10-12 18:00:22 eternicode: I mean, I now understand why the title-casing, but in general, I'm not familiar with wikis.
2012-10-12 18:00:37 _cheney: in mediawiki your username is also a Page. so it has to follow the same rules as pages do, i.e. first letter uppercase
2012-10-12 18:00:37 wax_eagle: _cheney first rule of web dev: assume your users are morons who know nothing, then you won't be disappointed
2012-10-12 18:00:52 Garbee: wax_eagle, That is a bit harsh.
2012-10-12 18:01:10 wax_eagle: Garbee: That's reality, I'm a web dev.
2012-10-12 18:01:21 fr0zenice: for me the first rule of web dev is: don't trust user input :p
2012-10-12 18:01:28 _cheney: have a look at this article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)#Restrictions_on_usernames
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2012-10-12 18:01:42 wax_eagle: fr0zenice: that's rule 0 :)
2012-10-12 18:01:46 fr0zenice: ah right
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2012-10-12 18:02:01 _cheney: the webplatform docs uses the same software as wikipedia (mediawiki)
2012-10-12 18:02:04 wax_eagle: gotta start with the first index else you get Oboes :P
2012-10-12 18:03:18 Garbee: wax_eagle, Considering we are building a platform for *developers* I don't think assuming no knowledge is necessary.
2012-10-12 18:03:38 Garbee: Yes, we should make things as simple as we can for people, but assuming plain no-knowledge is not necessary.
2012-10-12 18:03:44 chris_cook: a platform for learner developers too though
2012-10-12 18:04:01 wax_eagle: Garbee: I wish that was actually true. rememeber that your audience spectrum is going from self taught complete beginners all the way to 20 year professionals and beyond
2012-10-12 18:04:16 pingu2: doesnt it seem odd that theyve adopted proper-case page names for mediawiki?  or, you know, upper first character?
2012-10-12 18:05:05 _cheney: i'm not sure when they adopted it but it's been that way for a very long time
2012-10-12 18:06:34 paul_irish: wax_eagle: i think you're right about the UX issues, fwiw
2012-10-12 18:06:47 awsmsce: hey, guys
2012-10-12 18:07:00 awsmsce: got some time to burn today and would love to help contribute
2012-10-12 18:07:13 paul_irish: open stacks tend to have this problem :)
2012-10-12 18:07:37 wax_eagle: paul_irish: I agree, why the insistence on open then?
2012-10-12 18:07:48 awsmsce: realistically, what are the big pieces you have identified as needing priority attention
2012-10-12 18:08:04 paul_irish: has to be that  way
2012-10-12 18:08:09 paul_irish: Garbee: can you help out awsmsce
2012-10-12 18:08:23 awsmsce: *thx
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2012-10-12 18:08:43 wax_eagle: paul_irish: why does it "have to be that way" it's such an arbitrary thing. Does it matter if the source is open or closed if it actually works and looks nice?
2012-10-12 18:09:00 Garbee: awsmsce, Have you read over this yet?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-12 18:09:21 awsmsce: nope, i'll start there.
2012-10-12 18:09:49 Garbee: Great, read over that and if you still need an idea of where to be pointed towards I think NotTomato would have a good idea of some areas.
2012-10-12 18:09:59 Garbee: I'm kinda focusing on dev tool doc import atm.
2012-10-12 18:10:03 _cheney: the web is an open platform, makes sense that webplatform uses open tech
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2012-10-12 18:10:37 chris_cook: open also means the whole platform isn't reliant on some other entity
2012-10-12 18:10:39 chris_cook: just itself
2012-10-12 18:11:16 Garbee: paul_irish, Should I bring up in the mailing list that some think we should host our own bugtracker?
2012-10-12 18:12:05 Garbee: I think also with the stewards, an open platforms was the best way so it doesn't support competitors or it doesn't look like favorites are being played.
2012-10-12 18:12:17 Garbee: an open platform system^^
2012-10-12 18:12:31 Garbee: But that is just speculation.
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2012-10-12 18:16:51 eternicode: Garbee, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Q%26A_FAQ .  First wiki page I've ever created -- so I may have missed something.  I'll also ping the mailing list with it.
2012-10-12 18:17:46 Garbee: eternicode, Plesae do and thanks for making it.
2012-10-12 18:18:08 Garbee: Eventually we will want to crosslink with keeping things ontopic, but until that is completely decided on lets avoid it.
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2012-10-12 18:19:04 phwd: Can you not use {{lowercase title}} as the docs say :S
2012-10-12 18:19:51 paul_irish: awsmsce: and holler here if you finish gettingstarted and are confused
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2012-10-12 19:03:46 Garbee: mdel, haha.  If it is that bad I will take you place in one. ;)
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2012-10-12 19:07:14 gavinc: mmm, does linking to a job opening in this channel constitute spam? If so... <spam>https://lexmachina.com/about/careers/ Looking for a front end developer to work with lots of US patent litigation data</spam>
2012-10-12 19:07:17 paul_irish: awsmsce: how did you net how?
2012-10-12 19:07:22 paul_irish: gavinc: yup
2012-10-12 19:07:42 Garbee: gavinc, Seriously?
2012-10-12 19:07:49 Garbee: You are going to ask, then w/o an answer just spam anyways.
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2012-10-12 19:08:16 gavinc: Yes, I'm a bad person
2012-10-12 19:08:22 paul_irish: ++
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2012-10-12 19:09:27 gavinc: as penance I'll write some documentation, and work threw getting another recommendation to LC
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2012-10-12 19:15:06 Jayflux: paul_irish so whats going to happen with move the web forward, is that still going?
2012-10-12 19:15:13 paul_irish: yup
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2012-10-12 19:15:18 paul_irish: should we do something new for this year?
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2012-10-12 19:15:36 Jayflux: Sure why not :D
2012-10-12 19:16:13 Garbee: All you should do is add a raptor to the dinosaurs up top.
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2012-10-12 19:19:07 mdel: NotTomato: what fruit ARE you?
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2012-10-12 19:19:26 NotTomato: Not a tomato if that's what you're asking!
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2012-10-12 20:10:56 _Rainulf: TehRealGawd: you can go to #freenode and ask for help there
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2012-10-12 20:19:07 shepazu: hmmm?
2012-10-12 20:20:11 shepazu: TehRealGawd: you mean the site, or me? :P
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2012-10-12 20:21:14 TehRealGawd: lol the site, i think i saw something where you made a statement
2012-10-12 20:21:24 TehRealGawd: released by microsoft or something
2012-10-12 20:22:30 Purilla: how do you adress some one on irc? like 'nickname: hello'
2012-10-12 20:22:47 Garbee: You just say there name Purilla.
2012-10-12 20:22:49 TehRealGawd: i usually just use commas
2012-10-12 20:22:53 fr0zenice: tab-completion helps
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2012-10-12 20:23:02 TehRealGawd: yeah you can hit tab to complete a nickname
2012-10-12 20:23:05 Purilla: garbee ok thanks
2012-10-12 20:23:12 TehRealGawd: so if you type teh then the [tab] key it will finish my name
2012-10-12 20:23:23 Garbee: If you say the persons name in any part of the sentence, it will (most of the time) alert them.
2012-10-12 20:23:25 TehRealGawd: i think maybe the webclient that most people use auto-inserts : after the username
2012-10-12 20:23:38 Garbee: Well, it will if there are no name conflicts.
2012-10-12 20:23:48 Garbee: If there is a conflict then different clients do different things.
2012-10-12 20:24:01 Purilla: ahh ic
2012-10-12 20:24:18 jancborchardt: part
2012-10-12 20:24:26 Garbee: Don't worry about tab complete too much though.  Just get the basics down with knowing to say there name. ;)
2012-10-12 20:24:34 Garbee: their*
2012-10-12 20:24:45 fr0zenice: if there are multiple choices for completion, tab usually cycles through them :)
2012-10-12 20:24:54 mdel: TehRealGawd: irssi (popular command line client) uses colons too ;)
2012-10-12 20:25:11 Garbee: Ok, if this is going to go any further it should go to #webplatform-offtopic
2012-10-12 20:25:24 Kryptos: Does WebPlatform plan on adding documentation for languages such as  Ruby, PHP, ASP.NET, etc?
2012-10-12 20:25:30 Garbee: Kryptos, No.
2012-10-12 20:25:40 Garbee: We won't be documenting server-side languages.
2012-10-12 20:25:52 TehRealGawd: Kryptos, from what i've seen shepazu say they may be using external links for server-side languages
2012-10-12 20:26:00 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ  See the FAQ for more information.
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2012-10-12 20:26:19 Kryptos: Alright, and what about JavaScript libraries?
2012-10-12 20:26:22 TehRealGawd: so you'll be able to browse them throughout the webplatform website but the actual tutorials and things will on other websites
2012-10-12 20:26:33 TehRealGawd: javascript is client sided so i would assume it would be on webplatform
2012-10-12 20:26:47 Garbee: Considering JS is on the front page of the docs I hope it is...
2012-10-12 20:26:51 Kryptos: Yea but I mean libraries
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2012-10-12 20:26:57 Garbee: No.
2012-10-12 20:27:07 Garbee: Libraries are out of the scope of our docs as well.
2012-10-12 20:27:16 Kryptos: Mhmm thought so
2012-10-12 20:27:16 Garbee: It is up to those communities to document their libraries.
2012-10-12 20:27:24 Garbee: We cover the web standard technology.
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2012-10-12 20:28:01 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/server-side_languages  --All the server-side we will get into pretty much.  (Links to need to be fixed.)
2012-10-12 20:28:08 Kryptos: What about covering markup languages like XML?
2012-10-12 20:28:11 Kryptos: Oh awesome thanks
2012-10-12 20:28:15 shepazu: Kryptos: we do plan to describe script libs, but not go too deep into them… similar to server-side languages
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2012-10-12 20:28:22 Garbee: XML, don't know...
2012-10-12 20:28:30 shepazu: Kryptos: yes, we will definitely cover XML
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2012-10-12 20:28:53 shepazu: it might not be as in-depth as our other docs, but it will be covered
2012-10-12 20:29:05 Kryptos: shepazu: Awesome :)
2012-10-12 20:29:32 shepazu: Kryptos: you interested in helping with any of that?
2012-10-12 20:29:38 Garbee: shepazu, What do you think of for the Dev Tools section I'm making have it where we can put links to favorite (recommended) tools, like Sublime Text, Notepad++, and Textmate as Text Editors.  Just links to tools like this, not going into documenting them.
2012-10-12 20:29:49 shepazu: Garbee: url?
2012-10-12 20:29:55 Garbee: None yet.
2012-10-12 20:30:00 Garbee: I'm still making the initial page.
2012-10-12 20:30:13 shepazu: yeah, sounds good to me
2012-10-12 20:30:23 awsmsce: part
2012-10-12 20:30:45 Kryptos: Garbee: SublimeText<3
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2012-10-12 20:31:11 Garbee: Wait, I just saw jQuery in the Topics list.. Why is that in there if we aren't doing library stuff directly?
2012-10-12 20:31:15 shepazu: also, we should cover things like basic info on git, hg, etc… just to let new developers know about workflows and tools
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2012-10-12 20:31:52 TehRealGawd: there is this place you can get free private git space shepazu
2012-10-12 20:31:55 shepazu: Garbee: we're still sorting how stuff, dunno where jQuery will fit in
2012-10-12 20:31:56 TehRealGawd: you may want to include that
2012-10-12 20:31:56 mdel: shepazu: basic info for sure, and general information on VCS
2012-10-12 20:32:02 Garbee: Yea, basic info linking out to more detailed tutorials, perhaps a *little* workflow.
2012-10-12 20:32:15 shepazu: right
2012-10-12 20:32:22 Kryptos: shepazu: Maybe I will ;P - Reading the formartting guide
2012-10-12 20:32:23 Garbee: shepazu, Just but the base outline up real quick:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Developer_Tools
2012-10-12 20:32:29 fr0zenice: basic workflow outlining sounds good, especially in regards to collaboration
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2012-10-12 20:32:40 Garbee: The browsers section will be subpages with more info on stuff directly to them.
2012-10-12 20:32:49 Garbee: But things like standalone tools we can just link to their homepages.
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2012-10-12 20:33:12 Garbee: That way we have a good list of tools that people recommend, ofc perhaps a small text snippet about the tool as well and why it is recommended.
2012-10-12 20:33:15 TehRealGawd: Garbee, do you think you should include tools to connect via FTP to your webhost? in order to upload your web files?
2012-10-12 20:33:22 Garbee: And a paragraph for each on *why* that type of tool is recommended.
2012-10-12 20:33:29 Kryptos: The site should totally include guides for Git, etc
2012-10-12 20:33:35 Garbee: TehRealGawd, Yea ofc.  This is just a very base layout.
2012-10-12 20:33:49 Garbee: Kryptos, Not full guides.  That is too much extra info.
2012-10-12 20:34:04 Garbee: Really for Git I think we should just to workflow and point people to GitHub's tutorial.
2012-10-12 20:34:22 TehRealGawd: this link would be helpful for git: https://bitbucket.org/
2012-10-12 20:34:23 Kryptos: ;P
2012-10-12 20:34:32 TehRealGawd: unlimited private repository up to 5 users on each project
2012-10-12 20:34:34 Kryptos: BitBucket<3
2012-10-12 20:34:38 mdel: ^^
2012-10-12 20:34:42 Garbee: TehRealGawd, Yea ofc.
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2012-10-12 20:35:03 mdel: if workflow is included, it should be kept very abstract
2012-10-12 20:35:07 Garbee: Lets worry about agreeing on what we are going to allow into this section first, then worry about specifics like that.
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2012-10-12 20:35:27 shepazu: "ofc" ?== "of course"
2012-10-12 20:35:36 mdel: yes
2012-10-12 20:36:06 shepazu: (kids these days)
2012-10-12 20:36:19 harryrf: haha
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2012-10-12 20:36:50 mdel: shepazu: ikr!?
2012-10-12 20:37:01 mdel: (i know, right)
2012-10-12 20:37:15 shepazu: mdel: a/s/l?
2012-10-12 20:37:20 shepazu: :P
2012-10-12 20:37:34 shepazu: Garbee, NotTomato, do we have a guide on modding the QA?
2012-10-12 20:37:35 harryrf: People still say that? :p
2012-10-12 20:37:37 Kryptos: 18 f wherever you live
2012-10-12 20:37:42 harryrf: You must be over the age of 25
2012-10-12 20:37:45 shepazu: harryrf: almost certainly not
2012-10-12 20:38:09 harryrf: Took me back there for a minute :)
2012-10-12 20:38:16 Garbee: shepazu, Not that I know of.
2012-10-12 20:38:20 shepazu: I am a bit older than 25
2012-10-12 20:38:35 Garbee: Re: Modding QA.
2012-10-12 20:38:58 shepazu: thanks, Garbee
2012-10-12 20:39:10 Garbee: What kind of modding are you thinking of?
2012-10-12 20:39:21 shepazu: leaverou: so, the answer is "no, but we need one"
2012-10-12 20:39:33 shepazu: sorry, Garbee, I mean moderating
2012-10-12 20:39:50 Kryptos: Shouldn't really be moderating, more like quality control?
2012-10-12 20:39:59 Garbee: Oh, it is really use common sense right now and figure it out as you go along.
2012-10-12 20:40:12 Garbee: Kryptos, If you saw some of the stuff we see you would get it.
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2012-10-12 20:40:24 Kryptos: lol I can't imagine
2012-10-12 20:40:28 Garbee: The "mods" have a bit more control then just looking over the content.
2012-10-12 20:40:32 leaverou: shepazu: What do you mean? I'm lacking context here
2012-10-12 20:40:44 Garbee: unless we go locking the system down even more, but I think that is too much work right now.
2012-10-12 20:40:50 fr0zenice: good thing anon posts need to be approved first ^^
2012-10-12 20:41:07 shepazu: leaverou: you asked about a guide to moderating the QA
2012-10-12 20:41:27 leaverou: shepazu: oh, I see. I asked that in another room, hence the confusion
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2012-10-12 20:43:15 Garbee: shepazu, Is this guide as far as what is acceptable or for actually using the system to do mod tasks?
2012-10-12 20:43:28 shepazu: Garbee: both
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2012-10-12 20:43:41 Garbee: As far as what is acceptable, we are still working on that as a whole.
2012-10-12 20:43:48 Garbee: *using the system* we should build one.
2012-10-12 20:43:52 shepazu: expectations for behavior, and just how to do it
2012-10-12 20:44:09 Kryptos: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=server-side_languages/php&action=edit&redlink=1 - Should just be a summary of the language and linking to the php.net docs, right?
2012-10-12 20:44:19 Garbee: Kryptos, yup.
2012-10-12 20:44:24 shepazu: Kryptos: yup
2012-10-12 20:44:26 paul_irish: yup
2012-10-12 20:44:43 Kryptos: C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
2012-10-12 20:44:44 shepazu: can I get a yup-yup?
2012-10-12 20:44:45 Garbee: shepazu, Ok, I'm going to file a bug report under content to remind us to do that.  Is that fine?
2012-10-12 20:44:49 Kryptos: Sorry I couldn't help myself
2012-10-12 20:44:56 mdel: consensus!
2012-10-12 20:45:02 shepazu: Garbee++
2012-10-12 20:45:12 Garbee: Sweet, filing now while it is on my mind.
2012-10-12 20:45:22 cheilmann: OK, so not even afternoon here local time and my jet lag kicks in. Eek. Also, why is the SF weather like London?
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2012-10-12 20:45:57 leaverou: cheilmann: what do you mean? It doesn't rain all the time in SF
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2012-10-12 20:46:24 cheilmann: yeah, well, yeah :)
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2012-10-12 20:47:04 paul_irish: yeah chilly here today :(
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2012-10-12 20:47:11 Kryptos: Am I the only one that finds it weird that the website uses PHP?
2012-10-12 20:47:17 Kryptos: :(
2012-10-12 20:47:36 shepazu: Kryptos: how so?
2012-10-12 20:47:44 tsinghtao: whats wrong with php?
2012-10-12 20:47:48 paul_irish: facebook uses php
2012-10-12 20:47:56 Kryptos: docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php
2012-10-12 20:48:04 Garbee: paul_irish, No, FB uses some hip-hop PHP craziness.
2012-10-12 20:48:34 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: there was some talk earlier of using some other templating language… what can you tell me about that?
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2012-10-12 20:50:03 cheilmann: yahoo uses PHP
2012-10-12 20:50:08 cheilmann: I use PHP
2012-10-12 20:50:11 _cheney: wikipedia is in php
2012-10-12 20:50:11 tobie: Garbee: it's still PHP/
2012-10-12 20:50:12 cheilmann: Wordpress does
2012-10-12 20:50:17 mven: mass h8 for php.
2012-10-12 20:50:37 cheilmann: PHP is a great language - it teaches people to always have the docs open
2012-10-12 20:50:38 Kryptos: Y U NO node.js
2012-10-12 20:50:58 tobie: Garbee: the fact it's now running in a VM doesn't make it not PHP.
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2012-10-12 20:51:03 cheilmann: cause node.js has a track record of years to be reliable and easy to deploy, right ? :)
2012-10-12 20:51:07 _cheney: v8 4lyfe?
2012-10-12 20:51:14 Kryptos: :(
2012-10-12 20:51:26 _cheney: single threaded
2012-10-12 20:51:29 tobie: cheilmann: actually, I was blown away by how easy it is to deploy node on heroku
2012-10-12 20:52:09 shepazu: Kryptos: I seriously considered creating a custom CMS using Node.js and git for this project, but we decided to use something more mature and stable, so we chose MediaWiki
2012-10-12 20:52:31 Garbee: shepazu, And how is that working out so far?
2012-10-12 20:52:39 Garbee looks quizically.
2012-10-12 20:52:46 Garbee: (Yes spelled wrong.)
2012-10-12 20:52:57 shepazu: Garbee: probably bette than if we rolled our own :)
2012-10-12 20:53:11 shepazu: * better
2012-10-12 20:53:16 Garbee points to SSO BS and laughs.
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2012-10-12 20:53:20 Garbee: I see your point though.
2012-10-12 20:53:32 shepazu: :D
2012-10-12 20:54:16 mdel: better to release and iterate, IMO
2012-10-12 20:54:19 tsinghtao: is there any base CMS for node?
2012-10-12 20:54:53 shepazu: tsinghtao: yes, a few, but none very stable or mature
2012-10-12 20:54:59 Kryptos: shepazu: Yea I mean, I'm not saying PHP is awful but seeing as you are trying to represent the web's standards(?) using JavaScript(lib) would be suitable :)
2012-10-12 20:55:06 shepazu: more hobby projects, from what I could see
2012-10-12 20:55:15 shepazu: Kryptos: that was my thinking exactly
2012-10-12 20:55:24 shepazu: but there are other considerations
2012-10-12 20:55:29 tobie: Kryptos: node.js isn't exactly a Web standard.
2012-10-12 20:55:33 mdel: Kryptos: i think php is pretty much a web "standard" still :)
2012-10-12 20:55:40 Kryptos: JavaScript is though.
2012-10-12 20:55:42 _cheney: i think he means js itself
2012-10-12 20:55:45 shepazu: Kryptos: I haven't completely given up on the idea :)
2012-10-12 20:55:51 Garbee: Kryptos, Just because you are supporting web standards doesn't mean you can't use PHP.
2012-10-12 20:56:01 gavinc: one of the better facts about the web being that it really really doesn't matter what language produced the page
2012-10-12 20:56:04 Kryptos: shepazu: Good to know haha ;P
2012-10-12 20:56:07 Garbee: It is a perfectly valid server-side language for *compiling* the stuff sent to the frontend.
2012-10-12 20:56:08 tobie: shepazu: fancy another port ot another markup system?
2012-10-12 20:56:13 mdel: gavinc: amen to that
2012-10-12 20:56:24 Kryptos: Garbee:  I'm not saying that, just saying it'd be more suitable.
2012-10-12 20:56:24 tobie: s/ot/to/
2012-10-12 20:56:35 gavinc: otherwise we'd all still be using C cgi applications
2012-10-12 20:56:38 gavinc shudders
2012-10-12 20:57:49 mdel: or PERL CGI
2012-10-12 20:57:57 shepazu: tobie: to be honest, I'd rather use an advanced wysiwyg on top of a script library shim for the HTML editing APIs
2012-10-12 20:58:00 mdel esplodes
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2012-10-12 20:58:52 tobie: shepazu: can you elaborate?
2012-10-12 20:59:16 tobie: shepazu: I'm not sure I understand
2012-10-12 20:59:29 shepazu: tobie: you know the HTML editing APis? http://www.w3.org/community/editing/
2012-10-12 21:00:13 shepazu: IMO, every browser should simply support rich editing capabilities, so every project doesn't have to roll their own
2012-10-12 21:00:35 leaverou: shepazu++
2012-10-12 21:00:54 shepazu: how much JS is shipped down the pipe just to handle some basic functionality almost every modern webapp needs?
2012-10-12 21:01:01 tobie: I find my sweet spot with markdown, tbh.
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2012-10-12 21:01:30 leaverou: tobie: It could be argued that this is only true today, because all current WYSIWYG editors suck
2012-10-12 21:01:32 shepazu: tobie: some people know markdown, some know wikitext, some hate both
2012-10-12 21:02:01 tobie: shepazu: not something I would like debating.
2012-10-12 21:02:26 tobie: shepazu: that's why I said: I found **my** sweet spot.
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2012-10-12 21:02:52 shepazu: tobie: yup
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2012-10-12 21:03:58 paul_irish: tobie: yeah if i could get the Mou markdown editing experience in the browser I'd be pretty happy :)
2012-10-12 21:04:22 shepazu: Mou?
2012-10-12 21:04:49 tobie: Mou?
2012-10-12 21:05:19 shepazu: MOOOOOOOUUUUUUU
2012-10-12 21:05:28 _Rainulf: Mou.
2012-10-12 21:05:31 tobie: I need an !echo on wpdbot
2012-10-12 21:05:34 _Rainulf: maybe this? http://mouapp.com/ lol
2012-10-12 21:06:11 shepazu: http://mouapp.com/
2012-10-12 21:06:13 tobie: paul_irish: you're missing out
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2012-10-12 21:06:22 tobie: paul_irish: http://markedapp.com/ is the real hotness.
2012-10-12 21:06:25 shepazu: toooooo slow :(
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2012-10-12 21:07:57 paul_irish: hmm
2012-10-12 21:08:11 paul_irish: i think i like Mou better. getting bigass headlines in my source is really lovely
2012-10-12 21:08:24 paul_irish: also live update vs update on save
2012-10-12 21:08:38 robertpitt_: Hey guys
2012-10-12 21:09:18 shepazu: hi, RobertPItt
2012-10-12 21:09:21 harryrf: hello
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2012-10-12 21:10:57 ericelliott: paul_irish: That's really cool. I wish it was web-based, though.
2012-10-12 21:11:03 paul_irish: same
2012-10-12 21:11:25 ericelliott: paul_irish: I love the idea of c9 -- I want all my IDEs in the cloud. =)
2012-10-12 21:11:30 paul_irish: http://dillinger.io/ is pretty close
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2012-10-12 21:15:09 _Rainulf: paul_irish: Looks cool. Btw, it doesn't load properly in FF heh
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2012-10-12 21:16:31 summatusmentis: hi all, I was directed here by someone in #web, because I've got an odd question about iOS, and http headers
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2012-10-12 21:16:51 summatusmentis: We've got a server that adds a couple of custom headers to the the response when a user logs in. Within iOS Safari proper, we can read these headers just fine. However, when the same app is added to the homescreen (making it fullscreen, etc.), I get an error about unsafe headers, and I cannot read them
2012-10-12 21:16:57 summatusmentis: My question is: am I doing something wrong? Is there a way to force the app added to the homescreen to be able to read the custom headers? or am I just out of luck?
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2012-10-12 21:17:54 tobie: http://markedapp.com/ lets you use any editor, which is pretty cool
2012-10-12 21:17:58 robertpitt_: do the headers start with X-*
2012-10-12 21:18:36 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: new templating language is lua
2012-10-12 21:18:54 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: it's slowly being introduced on wikimedia right now
2012-10-12 21:19:02 robertpitt_: summatusmentis, see: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648
2012-10-12 21:19:04 summatusmentis: robertpitt_: they do now, they weren't originally, but I've changed that since
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2012-10-12 21:20:53 tobie: summatusmentis: this channel doesn't do support.
2012-10-12 21:20:56 fr0zenice: not to sound rude, but this isn't the place to discuss specific iOS questions
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2012-10-12 21:21:10 tobie: summatusmentis: not sure why #web sent you this way.
2012-10-12 21:21:22 summatusmentis: I was told there were a few people here who do a lot of mobile web work
2012-10-12 21:21:30 Rchristiani: part
2012-10-12 21:21:34 Garbee: summatusmentis, But this room isn't for support like that.
2012-10-12 21:21:48 robertpitt_: tobie is right summatusmentis, All I will say is take a look at Apple forums and ask there, seems like an issue with there platform rather then the web
2012-10-12 21:22:01 summatusmentis: fair enough, sorry
2012-10-12 21:22:06 tobie: np
2012-10-12 21:22:11 Garbee: We are about webplatform.org.  Just because people here do mobile stuff doens't mean we support it via this channel.
2012-10-12 21:22:11 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: you have a URL for your use of Lua?
2012-10-12 21:22:24 Garbee: But, lets try to get you to the proper place for support.
2012-10-12 21:22:40 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
2012-10-12 21:22:42 Garbee: Does anyone have any ideas where he can get support for that issue?
2012-10-12 21:23:07 fr0zenice: Apple dev forums as robertpitt_ mentioned
2012-10-12 21:23:12 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: you think this would be stable enough for us to deploy and test?
2012-10-12 21:23:16 Ryan_Lane: yes
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2012-10-12 21:23:35 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: could we use it alongside what we have now, and transition to it?
2012-10-12 21:23:42 Ryan_Lane: but we need to upgrade mediawiki first
2012-10-12 21:23:45 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-12 21:23:51 summatusmentis: part
2012-10-12 21:23:58 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: ok, let's do it, when you think we can
2012-10-12 21:24:05 Ryan_Lane: current templates will be supported basically forever
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2012-10-12 21:28:21 Wilto: What’s the good word, Webplatformers?
2012-10-12 21:29:08 shepazu: Wilto: apparently, the good word is "lua"
2012-10-12 21:29:18 shepazu: or possibly "markdown"
2012-10-12 21:29:38 Wilto: “Markdown” is a *wonderful* word.
2012-10-12 21:29:43 eighty4: surely markdown must be better than lua?
2012-10-12 21:29:49 eternicode: markdown++
2012-10-12 21:29:58 eighty4: sadly basecamp is a bad word :(
2012-10-12 21:30:12 eighty4: I hate it everytime I realize it doesn't support markdow
2012-10-12 21:32:03 Wilto: Markdown is better than most things.
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2012-10-12 21:32:34 Ryan_Lane doesn't like markdown
2012-10-12 21:33:00 Ryan_Lane: no one actually uses markdown. everyone uses some varient of markdown
2012-10-12 21:33:15 Wilto: yo WHERE’S PAUL_IRISH
2012-10-12 21:33:18 paul_irish: HOLLA
2012-10-12 21:33:19 Wilto: I GOTTA HAVE WORDS WITH THAT GUY
2012-10-12 21:33:26 Wilto: Whassup, bruh.
2012-10-12 21:33:36 paul_irish: Wilto came is happy to work out some extra responsive CSS. leaverou I imagine there is still work that he could take on there?
2012-10-12 21:33:37 eternicode: Ryan_Lane, sounds like mobile webkit ;D
2012-10-12 21:33:39 _cheney: he's in our browsers
2012-10-12 21:33:58 Wilto: I been known to fix some phone-related things.
2012-10-12 21:34:10 Wilto: Hell, I could run it through the jQuery Mobile test lab on Monday
2012-10-12 21:34:32 paul_irish: thats hot
2012-10-12 21:34:34 dievardump: part
2012-10-12 21:35:23 Wilto: _cheney: And in our *hearts*.
2012-10-12 21:35:49 _cheney: :swoon:
2012-10-12 21:35:50 Wilto: paul_irish: Assume you guys got iOS/Android Chrome locked down, yeah?
2012-10-12 21:36:19 paul_irish shrugs. leaverou knows best and appears to be afk
2012-10-12 21:36:40 leaverou: paul_irish: I'm not afk
2012-10-12 21:36:45 paul_irish: oh! )
2012-10-12 21:36:49 leaverou: I was jut making some coffee
2012-10-12 21:36:54 paul_irish: good thinkin
2012-10-12 21:37:09 leaverou: paul_irish: not really when it's midnight :P
2012-10-12 21:37:16 paul_irish: oh! you're not in CA. i see.
2012-10-12 21:37:19 leaverou: nope
2012-10-12 21:37:35 paul_irish: leaverou: Wilto is offering to make some enhancements to the responsivity of the site
2012-10-12 21:37:41 eighty4: leaverou: europe?
2012-10-12 21:37:48 leaverou: eighty4: yup
2012-10-12 21:37:59 leaverou: paul_irish: that's great!
2012-10-12 21:38:06 paul_irish: leaverou: whats the best way for him to work on that?
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2012-10-12 21:38:25 leaverou: paul_irish: hmmm
2012-10-12 21:38:42 Wilto: giiithuuuub
2012-10-12 21:38:44 leaverou: paul_irish: right now, even I can't work on it, due to some technical issues, but hopefully they;ll be resolved soon
2012-10-12 21:38:48 Wilto: —You guys hear something just now?
2012-10-12 21:38:52 eighty4: ffs, it's almost 00. What happened with this evening?
2012-10-12 21:38:53 Wilto: Maybe it was the wind. Or a ghost.
2012-10-12 21:39:00 Wilto: giiiiiiithuuuub
2012-10-12 21:39:03 Wilto: There it was again!
2012-10-12 21:39:17 egghead: GIIITHUUUUUUUUB
2012-10-12 21:39:18 eighty4: Wilto: it's just me wispering in your ear
2012-10-12 21:39:20 leaverou: Wilto: That would be great, but I'm not sure it will happen soon enough
2012-10-12 21:39:24 eighty4: sorry about that
2012-10-12 21:39:42 egghead: who here is going to html5devconf ?
2012-10-12 21:39:42 leaverou: eighty4: it's half past 00 here :)
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2012-10-12 21:40:19 eighty4: leaverou: so finland then :)
2012-10-12 21:40:25 leaverou: eighty4: nope
2012-10-12 21:40:34 eighty4: Italy?
2012-10-12 21:40:56 leaverou: Wilto: I'll need to discuss it with shepazu and will get back to you. Thank you so much for offering to contribute!
2012-10-12 21:40:58 eighty4: sorry, greece :)
2012-10-12 21:41:04 Wilto: Sure; no worries.
2012-10-12 21:41:13 leaverou: eighty4: yup, you got it on the 3rd try :)
2012-10-12 21:41:23 eighty4: Greece seems a bit tricky right now :(
2012-10-12 21:41:31 leaverou: eighty4: I'm leaving it very soon
2012-10-12 21:41:41 eighty4: read that Cola is leaving :(
2012-10-12 21:41:51 leaverou: eighty4: whaaat? where did you read that?
2012-10-12 21:41:52 paul_irish: leaverou: can you throw the skins.webplatform css into a gist?
2012-10-12 21:42:01 leaverou: paul_irish: sure!
2012-10-12 21:42:29 eighty4: leaverou: not the article I read but it's about it: http://www.vibe.com/article/greece-moves-coca-cola-company-switzerland
2012-10-12 21:42:29 NotTomato: w-wah
2012-10-12 21:42:30 paul_irish: cool. that way Wilto can hack at it already, even though we dont have a good workflow for getting the changes back into the site right now
2012-10-12 21:42:32 Wilto: Hm, yeah, I could give that a shot. View source for the markup and hack around on that CSS, yeah?
2012-10-12 21:42:35 NotTomato: paul_irish, you can add CSS ot the wiki
2012-10-12 21:42:50 Wilto: NotTomato: I will give you one (1) dollar if I don’t have to do that.
2012-10-12 21:42:54 paul_irish: right but we'll want to augment the existing styles in their natural form, NotTomato
2012-10-12 21:43:00 leaverou: paul_irish: Wilto: here it is: https://gist.github.com/9db4acef702946048d63
2012-10-12 21:43:05 NotTomato: ah okay.
2012-10-12 21:43:10 NotTomato: I'm curious, what skin does our wiki use?
2012-10-12 21:43:17 NotTomato: I don't know the name so I'm not sure what system message to go to.
2012-10-12 21:43:25 leaverou: Wilto: also, if you copy the HTML and paste locally, it will work, since most URLs are absolute
2012-10-12 21:43:38 paul_irish: "webplatform" it seems, NotTomato?
2012-10-12 21:43:44 NotTomato: Okay.
2012-10-12 21:43:49 leaverou: NotTomato: yup, webplatform
2012-10-12 21:43:55 paul_irish: just looking at the primary compiled stylesheet on the site
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2012-10-12 21:44:27 paul_irish: darcyclarke: !!!
2012-10-12 21:44:40 darcyclarke: paul_irish !!!!
2012-10-12 21:44:47 NotTomato: darcyclarke!
2012-10-12 21:45:04 darcyclarke: ?
2012-10-12 21:45:15 NotTomato: Just as planned.
2012-10-12 21:45:21 Garbee: That was planned?
2012-10-12 21:45:26 Wilto: Scale of “one” to “buckwild,” how much should I obsess here? Like, at a glance, `content: '▾'` is gonna give you a busted character in Blackberry 5/6/7 and Android <= 2.3.x.
2012-10-12 21:45:33 NotTomato: I wish.
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2012-10-12 21:45:36 darcyclarke: paul_irish what'chyou want?
2012-10-12 21:45:44 paul_irish: just lots of excitement. also darcyclarke .. Tab Atkins used yr interview questions to interview a google SWE candidate today
2012-10-12 21:46:05 darcyclarke: paul_irish hot jam
2012-10-12 21:46:19 Wilto: You guys have an official list of things to target?
2012-10-12 21:46:23 leaverou: Wilto: don't obess that much :)
2012-10-12 21:46:24 darcyclarke: you'd be surprised how many people hate that resource
2012-10-12 21:46:31 darcyclarke: haters gunna hate
2012-10-12 21:46:33 leaverou: Wilto: I'm afraid not :(
2012-10-12 21:46:39 darcyclarke: and it's not mine, it's everyones
2012-10-12 21:46:45 eighty4: leaverou: but give it a couple of years and greece will turn it around. They've been around for a couple of years after all :D
2012-10-12 21:46:54 leaverou: eighty4: I have no faith in that
2012-10-12 21:47:02 leaverou: eighty4: I think it's a sinking ship
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2012-10-12 21:47:44 Wilto: leaverou: Cool, cool. I’ll just be on the look-out for major mobile chaos.
2012-10-12 21:47:46 paul_irish: Wilto: lemme look in the bug tracker
2012-10-12 21:47:55 eighty4: leaverou: not that many countries have actually ceased to exist in the last 100 years
2012-10-12 21:47:59 Wilto: paul_irish: Is that public someplace?
2012-10-12 21:48:06 paul_irish: yes https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
2012-10-12 21:48:18 Wilto: Just curious; no promises.
2012-10-12 21:48:37 Wilto: I gotta keep the obsessing in check—you know me, holmes.
2012-10-12 21:48:51 Jayflux: i bloody love git sometimes
2012-10-12 21:49:04 leaverou: eighty4: I don't think that will happen. I think it's eventually going to go bankrupt, get out of the EU and become really really poor. And I really hope I have left for good by then
2012-10-12 21:49:10 paul_irish: Wilto: yeah looks like only one purely mobile css issue in there 19482
2012-10-12 21:49:37 paul_irish: WP 7 support. /me cries
2012-10-12 21:49:56 Wilto: Easy-peasy. Sorta.
2012-10-12 21:49:59 Garbee: paul_irish, I use WP7...
2012-10-12 21:50:03 Wilto: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18899 — I got one of these, too.
2012-10-12 21:50:04 eighty4: leaverou: I agree with that. It's sad but I do think that is a likely route. But once that have happened give it some time and it'll turn around.
2012-10-12 21:50:18 leaverou: eighty4: I find your optimism admirable
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2012-10-12 21:50:45 leaverou: eighty4: I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Nobody here is willing to change, they just want to change everybody else around them
2012-10-12 21:50:47 eighty4: leaverou: thinking it will go bankrupt isn't really being optimistic :)
2012-10-12 21:51:10 leaverou: eighty4: yeah, but you think it's temporary. Anyway, we're WAY off topic :)
2012-10-12 21:52:50 eighty4: leaverou: there's no rules for this channel so I don't know that we're so way off that you think. But sure. Just one last think. Look at Serbien, Bosnien.
2012-10-12 21:53:15 darcyclarke: paul_irish can you get him to interview me for the same position? :P
2012-10-12 21:54:01 Garbee: paul_irish and Wilto, I just updated that bug report for WP7.  Looks like stuff that can be fixed by just fixing the CSS in general since tables are broken even on desktop in some areas.
2012-10-12 21:54:15 paul_irish: nice
2012-10-12 21:54:18 Garbee: Tomorrow I'm making a bug-day for me.
2012-10-12 21:54:19 fr0zenice: eighty4: topic says "Support and conversation about webplatform.org", feel free to drop into #webplatform-offtopic !
2012-10-12 21:54:36 leaverou: fr0zenice: ah, cool!
2012-10-12 21:54:45 Garbee: I'm going to find all the stuff I can and get reports from IRC and the Q&A about bugs and just confirm and report (and try to find solutions if possible.)
2012-10-12 21:55:00 paul_irish: Garbee: you havent seen waldir since that first day, have you?
2012-10-12 21:55:13 paul_irish: NotTomato: is he active on the wiki?
2012-10-12 21:55:14 Garbee: paul_irish, Not that I can recall.
2012-10-12 21:55:34 Garbee: Be back in a few, getting some tea.
2012-10-12 21:55:41 leaverou: eighty4: we can continue the discussion in #webplatform-offtopic
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2012-10-12 21:57:29 eighty4: fr0zenice: oh sorry. Must be my client. The #webplatform-offtopic isn't showing in topic for me.
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2012-10-12 21:57:52 eighty4: right… Me stops drinking
2012-10-12 21:57:55 fr0zenice: yeah it's actually not in there :S
2012-10-12 21:58:49 eighty4: I totaly missread what you wrote. I blame my extreamly poor english.
2012-10-12 21:59:02 fr0zenice: or the drinking perhabs? ;)
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2012-10-12 21:59:46 Garbee: eighty4, We have rules.
2012-10-12 21:59:53 eighty4: yeah, it's probably more that.
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2012-10-12 22:00:44 Garbee: Anything not webplatform.org related, goes to #webplatform-offtopic  ...Anything else is common sense and judgement calls.
2012-10-12 22:00:48 David_Bradbury: For something like a canvas tutorial, where would that go? I'm considering writing out a tutorial series that covers the full API. Also, are there any rules that need to be followed for giving content that you've written for your own blog or the like?
2012-10-12 22:01:13 paul_irish: David_Bradbury: tbh i think we might have a pretty strong canvas tutorial..  that came over from MDN
2012-10-12 22:01:14 eighty4: ok, I'm sorry. It was mostly intended as a joke. But I realize irc isn't the best place for "joking" :/ Sorry for all the OT talk.
2012-10-12 22:01:15 paul_irish: or was supposed to
2012-10-12 22:01:28 leaverou: Wilto: btw, the blog & Q&A also have their own additional CSS on top of what I sent. But, that's not minified IIRC
2012-10-12 22:01:33 Garbee: David_Bradbury, It needs to be licensed under CC-BY from us.  So you contribute to that license and agree it is either in that license originally *or* your own work and can be redistributed with that license.
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2012-10-12 22:01:53 fr0zenice: np eighty4
2012-10-12 22:02:09 Wilto: leaverou: Gotcha.
2012-10-12 22:02:26 Garbee: As far as where it should go...
2012-10-12 22:02:33 Garbee: First off, does anyone have a sitemap?
2012-10-12 22:02:36 leaverou: Wilto: there are also some more, wait a sec
2012-10-12 22:03:12 Garbee: I would add an HTML subtopic for canvas:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html
2012-10-12 22:03:20 Garbee: As long as no one else disagrees.
2012-10-12 22:03:25 David_Bradbury: paul_irish: I do like the MDN tutorials on the subject, but I feel it misses a few things. Would adding a few sections be fine / a better alternative?
2012-10-12 22:03:43 David_Bradbury: Garbee: Sounds good, I can do that.
2012-10-12 22:03:54 Garbee: First where is the MDN stuff?
2012-10-12 22:04:00 Garbee: I haven't noticed it yet.
2012-10-12 22:04:18 Garbee: If there is already content then we should look at updating/fixing it.
2012-10-12 22:04:21 David_Bradbury: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Canvas
2012-10-12 22:04:34 Garbee: Also possibly moving into a better area.
2012-10-12 22:04:39 Garbee: Well, I mean in webplatform.org
2012-10-12 22:04:48 leaverou: Wilto: so, main CSS: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/skins/webplatform/screen.css
2012-10-12 22:05:01 leaverou: Wilto: these get added in media queries: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/skins/webplatform/screen-520.css
2012-10-12 22:05:17 leaverou: Wilto: and http://docs.webplatform.org/w/skins/webplatform/screen-640.css
2012-10-12 22:05:45 fr0zenice: Garbee: maybe http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/canvas/canvas_tutorial
2012-10-12 22:05:49 paul_irish: shepazu: can I edit this page? http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
2012-10-12 22:06:09 Garbee: ah, thanks fr0zenice.
2012-10-12 22:06:13 paul_irish: fr0zenice++
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2012-10-12 22:06:22 Garbee: Ok, I think we need to fix this a little.
2012-10-12 22:06:24 Wilto: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cmediawiki.special%7Cskins.webplatform&amp;only=styles&amp;skin=webplatform&amp;*
2012-10-12 22:06:24 Wilto: wat
2012-10-12 22:06:30 paul_irish: mediawiki stylez
2012-10-12 22:06:30 fr0zenice: also a sitemap is a good idea :D
2012-10-12 22:06:38 Garbee: canvas is root under the docs, but where is it linked to that is easily findable?
2012-10-12 22:06:44 Wilto: Man, MediaWiki, you sure are doing some things here.
2012-10-12 22:07:07 Wilto: leaverou: Got it.
2012-10-12 22:07:17 Garbee: Oops, I'm in /canvas not /tutorials
2012-10-12 22:07:20 Jayflux: paul_irish when you created move the web forward and put it on github for people to help collaborate, did you pick a particular framework for that site? I can't remember without looking
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2012-10-12 22:07:46 Garbee: Still, I think it needs to be easier to find or moved... Will flag to be discussed.
2012-10-12 22:08:05 Wilto: Jayflux: CSS-wise? Just whipped it up from scratch.
2012-10-12 22:08:13 leaverou: Wilto: if my understanding is correct, load.php gets all the CSS files, concatenates them, wraps them in media queries if needed (for the screen-XXX.css ones) and minifies
2012-10-12 22:08:59 David_Bradbury: I think that rather than adding to the MDN tutorials, maybe doing a section on more in depth, or advanced features in canvas might be appropriate. There is still quite a bit of room to explore with things like isPointInPath, Pixel Manipulation, etc...
2012-10-12 22:09:22 Jayflux: ah ok Wilto backend wise no PHP frameworks or anything just what you is what you get
2012-10-12 22:09:36 Wilto: Oh, oh, no—nothing like that.
2012-10-12 22:09:48 Wilto: “Git as a CMS,” I guess.
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2012-10-12 22:10:05 leaverou: Wilto: jekyll?
2012-10-12 22:10:17 NotTomato: paul_irish, he doesn't come on IRC, but sometimes I see him edit his profile on the wiki, he doesn't really edit much
2012-10-12 22:10:34 Wilto: leaverou: Oh, no, not even. Just editing raw markup.
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2012-10-12 22:10:58 leaverou: Wilto: then it's not git as a CMS, it's merely git as a VCS :)
2012-10-12 22:11:01 Wilto: Ah, but we were young, back then.
2012-10-12 22:11:22 leaverou: Wilto: no, I do that a lot. In general, I have a pretty heavy case of NIH :)
2012-10-12 22:11:34 Wilto: “Guest starring Git, as itself.”
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2012-10-12 22:12:25 paul_irish: Jayflux: mtwf is a just a single html page
2012-10-12 22:12:34 paul_irish: though we use some php for caching twitter searches
2012-10-12 22:12:40 Wilto: leaverou: Hah, seconded—stuff messing with my markup gives me cold sweats.
2012-10-12 22:12:59 Jayflux: ok
2012-10-12 22:13:04 leaverou: Wilto: In general, I'm quite uneasy with the thought of using code without knowing exactly what it does — unless I really need it
2012-10-12 22:13:04 paul_irish: NotTomato: cool. thanks
2012-10-12 22:13:24 Jayflux: I wanted to do something similar but we may have many pages, and this will cause some disagrement about which framework to use probably
2012-10-12 22:13:28 Wilto: ( Totally forgot about http://movethewebforward.org/img/pugerton.png )
2012-10-12 22:13:44 paul_irish: :D
2012-10-12 22:13:58 paul_irish: Jayflux: just use jekyll. least disagreement.
2012-10-12 22:14:25 Wilto: leaverou: Same. I usually make a hackneyed analogy about “building the house I want, instead of buying one and walling-off all the rooms I don’t need.” I don’t get out much.
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2012-10-12 22:15:07 Wilto: Jayflux: [ Unsolicited second endorsement of Jekyll. ]
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2012-10-12 22:25:44 paul_irish: how can we get a good hitlist of items for driveby contributors like awsumsauce earlier today?
2012-10-12 22:27:19 Neto: part
2012-10-12 22:27:20 Garbee: paul_irish, Really we need a single place to host a quick list of things.
2012-10-12 22:27:51 Garbee: Short of hosting our own bugtracker to handle it... Perhaps a quick page in the Wiki where people doc things that they think need to be done.
2012-10-12 22:28:06 Garbee: Then as people finish things they can just remove it from that list.
2012-10-12 22:28:16 paul_irish: i mean i think the bugtracker should be that
2012-10-12 22:28:29 paul_irish: and we can add keywords like "goodfirstbug" kind of a thing
2012-10-12 22:28:32 Garbee: I would like it to be, but for speed of getting it going now...
2012-10-12 22:28:42 Garbee: paul_irish, Serverity level perhaps.
2012-10-12 22:28:58 paul_irish: i'm fine with a more immediate solution using the wiki
2012-10-12 22:29:19 Garbee: I was thinking have the current sections, plus Feature Request and ToDo in a new Bugtracker.
2012-10-12 22:29:42 paul_irish: "new bugtracker" is dangerous language
2012-10-12 22:30:03 Garbee: Then we could have the serverity of fix times as in the Getting Started Guide.
2012-10-12 22:30:16 Garbee: We could just tag the Serverity as which category of time length we think it falls into.
2012-10-12 22:30:29 Garbee: That way people might have an idea of what they are getting into.
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2012-10-12 22:30:41 paul_irish: i like
2012-10-12 22:30:54 Garbee: well, let me write that down somewhere for later...
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2012-10-12 22:31:17 Garbee: I might just start a github repo for now with a list of things we come up with to get done later like that.  w/o adding it to the current bug tracker.
2012-10-12 22:31:26 Garbee: For now, let me get that page made...
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2012-10-12 22:35:52 Garbee: Ok, if anyone knows of any tasks to be done please add them here:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/ToDo_around_the_site
2012-10-12 22:36:09 Garbee: NotTomato, ^^  Looking at you.
2012-10-12 22:36:57 leaverou: Wilto: I love that analogy! Will steal it if you don't mind :D
2012-10-12 22:37:08 paul_irish: gotta be stuff from https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=webplatform.org&component=content&resolution=---&list_id=354 to add
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2012-10-12 22:37:34 Garbee: Ok, I will check into that once I'm done linking to it from the Getting Started Guide.
2012-10-12 22:37:44 hober waves
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2012-10-12 22:37:48 Garbee: That way people can flow right into the list w/o needing to know the link.
2012-10-12 22:38:58 paul_irish: hey hober
2012-10-12 22:39:20 paul_irish: Garbee: kickass
2012-10-12 22:40:23 Garbee: Ok, Getting Started is updated, looking into the tracker now.
2012-10-12 22:40:33 Garbee: Thanks for the link paul.
2012-10-12 22:41:20 Garbee: paul_irish, Wow, I think we closed this in the process:  https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19445
2012-10-12 22:41:30 paul_irish: ahahah
2012-10-12 22:41:38 paul_irish: Boom
2012-10-12 22:41:49 paul_irish: Garbee ftw
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2012-10-12 22:42:39 bloof: :-)
2012-10-12 22:43:57 Garbee: Can anyone confirm this bug?  I can't.  https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19338
2012-10-12 22:44:19 Garbee: ^^ bug should be in quotes.
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2012-10-12 22:44:30 hober: confirmed
2012-10-12 22:44:49 bloof: /!\
2012-10-12 22:44:58 fr0zenice: yeah saw that exclamation mark earlier
2012-10-12 22:45:02 Garbee: ah, I see now.
2012-10-12 22:45:04 Garbee: That littel thing.
2012-10-12 22:45:14 Garbee: Well, the page isn't ending the content is. :/
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2012-10-12 22:48:16 ctoveloz[BR]: need to play with javascript :P
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2012-10-12 22:49:37 Garbee: paul_irish, Looking over it nothing in the content section should or could be offloaded into the task section.  Most of it is backend stuff with a few exceptions which need to be handled by people with admin rights.
2012-10-12 22:50:01 Garbee: Although I did find a thing or two to help with.
2012-10-12 22:50:10 paul_irish: oh
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2012-10-12 22:50:17 paul_irish: weird.
2012-10-12 22:50:19 paul_irish: scottrowe: you here?
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2012-10-12 22:50:36 paul_irish: content TODOs might be caught up in the WPD namespace
2012-10-12 22:50:43 scottrowe: yup
2012-10-12 22:51:08 scottrowe: um, I mean, paul_irish: present!
2012-10-12 22:51:15 paul_irish: scottrowe: hey dude. where would we find a list of outstanding TODOs for content? migration, authoring or otherwise
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2012-10-12 22:51:44 Garbee: Yea, What is the WPD namespace for exactly?  That would be handy to know.
2012-10-12 22:51:58 paul_irish: meta pages. site planning etc.
2012-10-12 22:52:21 Garbee: Yea, the ToDo technically falls under that.
2012-10-12 22:52:43 Garbee: If we can get confirmation from another I will move it.
2012-10-12 22:52:47 scottrowe: paul_irish: we have an old issues list, but it's internal. I'd have to shoot you, etc.
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2012-10-12 22:52:54 paul_irish: it has such low visibility though. I think we should probably move or very-dramatically-expose that content
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2012-10-12 22:53:07 paul_irish: scottrowe: oh. that sounds terrible.
2012-10-12 22:53:18 scottrowe: paul_irish: por que?
2012-10-12 22:53:24 Garbee: shepazu, Should we put the ToDo list under the WPD namespace?
2012-10-12 22:53:25 paul_irish: the death part.
2012-10-12 22:53:35 Garbee: haha
2012-10-12 22:53:45 Garbee: I get it...
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2012-10-12 22:53:47 Garbee: I hope.
2012-10-12 22:54:13 fr0zenice: Garbee: moving to WPD: seems right
2012-10-12 22:54:17 paul_irish: scottrowe: remind me where the content bunches 1-13 (?) are documented?
2012-10-12 22:54:36 Garbee: Alright, I will move it over.
2012-10-12 22:55:37 scottrowe: paul_irish: stand by...
2012-10-12 22:56:12 Garbee: Ok, page moved, redirect in place, and WPD:GS updated with the new page link.
2012-10-12 22:56:25 Garbee: Now to get some tasks in there.
2012-10-12 22:57:35 fr0zenice: paul_irish scottrowe: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Content_List/Batch_1 ?
2012-10-12 22:58:46 paul_irish: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Content_List
2012-10-12 22:59:58 Garbee: Ok, wtf is that...  A list of things you lazy and overworked people were supposed to get done?
2012-10-12 23:00:13 paul_irish: yup
2012-10-12 23:00:17 paul_irish: most of it got done.
2012-10-12 23:00:52 Garbee: We are going to start getting into NAT documentation?
2012-10-12 23:01:01 Garbee: And full network topology?
2012-10-12 23:01:09 NotTomato: Garbee, I keep a personal to-do list on my own page. o;
2012-10-12 23:01:25 Garbee: NotTomato, Cool, I'm looking then possibly stealing some FYI.
2012-10-12 23:01:32 NotTomato: I better expand it!!
2012-10-12 23:01:56 Garbee: Right now I'm clearing out my Chrome tabs.  It is nuts for me to just see a tabs icon.
2012-10-12 23:02:08 Garbee: Which reminds me of a flag to go switch on...
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2012-10-12 23:05:06 sonotos: hm, is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/content_list  listing all the content without paging?
2012-10-12 23:05:16 leaverou: shepazu: is it ok if people post php question on Q&A?
2012-10-12 23:05:28 leaverou: *questions
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2012-10-12 23:10:00 Garbee: paul_irish, NotTomato is awesome:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/UserWiki:Tomato
2012-10-12 23:10:31 eighty4: leaverou: say yes and I can post an answer.
2012-10-12 23:10:38 fr0zenice: alright, that exclamation mark thing is fixed: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html#See_Also
2012-10-12 23:10:54 fr0zenice: queries the correct property value now, only 3 pages match, though
2012-10-12 23:11:03 leaverou: eighty4: yes to what?
2012-10-12 23:11:12 sonotos: This cute list is free for use. ♥ :-) hrhr cool
2012-10-12 23:11:28 fr0zenice: at least I think that's supposed to how it should work
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2012-10-12 23:12:12 eighty4: leaverou: the php thing. But from what I can see given that the docs is mainly frontend the QA should be as well?
2012-10-12 23:12:29 leaverou: eighty4: not sure, which is why I asked shepazu
2012-10-12 23:13:30 Garbee: leaverou, No server-side language questions.  They are off-topic even in Q&A.
2012-10-12 23:13:47 Garbee: I do believe everyone is pretty much agreed on that front.
2012-10-12 23:13:50 leaverou: Garbee: cool, any ideas what we should do with them?
2012-10-12 23:14:09 Garbee: We should respond giving them links to places where they can get help.
2012-10-12 23:14:34 Garbee: Like SO/SE, php.net, mention #php, etc.   Try to get people to places where they can get proper help when they bring things like that up.
2012-10-12 23:14:40 eighty4: Who created the W logo? I think I'm in love with it.
2012-10-12 23:14:44 Garbee: Adobe iirc.
2012-10-12 23:14:50 Garbee: Along with the site design.
2012-10-12 23:15:01 Garbee: Yea, the logo is one nice peice of work.
2012-10-12 23:15:15 sonotos: http://stackoverflow.com/
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2012-10-12 23:15:58 sonotos: think that would be the best location to go for them, as mentioned on the ml
2012-10-12 23:16:03 eighty4: Garbee: cool. That along with the color palette is absolutly briliant.
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2012-10-12 23:19:30 leaverou: Garbee: Adobe created the initial design for WPD, but not the logo AFAIK
2012-10-12 23:19:43 leaverou: Garbee: the logo was created by an agency, I can find its name if you're interested
2012-10-12 23:21:19 eighty4: leaverou: you were thinking of http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2161/both-fields-are-equal-null-value-cant-display-error-message? if so, I wouldn't really consider that to be a php question but more a programming question. But given front-end, it seems it shouldn't be supported in any case?
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2012-10-12 23:21:38 leaverou: eighty4: it is a php question
2012-10-12 23:21:45 leaverou: yes, it pertains to general programming, but still
2012-10-12 23:22:29 Garbee: leaverou, If it isn't inconvenient I would love the know the agency that actually created it.
2012-10-12 23:22:44 eighty4: Me too.
2012-10-12 23:22:47 leaverou: Garbee: ok, one minute
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2012-10-12 23:23:55 leaverou: B-Reel
2012-10-12 23:24:08 Garbee: NotTomato, Love the "Always Going tasks" part, just added a section for those.
2012-10-12 23:24:34 leaverou: they also made the color theme and font choice
2012-10-12 23:24:37 Garbee: leaverou, Cool.  They did a great job with it.
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2012-10-12 23:27:08 NotTomato: Thanks Garbee~
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2012-10-12 23:30:01 Garbee: NotTomato, Your task list is really full (quite frankly only) of tasks that are going to take quite some time...
2012-10-12 23:31:24 NotTomato: Well
2012-10-12 23:31:33 NotTomato: each edit would only take like.. 30 seconds
2012-10-12 23:31:41 NotTomato: so really if you were bored and looking to clean up
2012-10-12 23:31:42 Garbee: Yea, it is finding them all.
2012-10-12 23:31:43 NotTomato: you could look at the list
2012-10-12 23:32:12 NotTomato: here i'll find links for them.
2012-10-12 23:32:35 Garbee: hmm... In that case let me make a note.  It could be good for people to know that individual changes take little time, it is getting all of them that will take the most time.
2012-10-12 23:32:50 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LonelyPages&limit=500&offset=0
2012-10-12 23:33:18 fr0zenice: I guess some links to some special searches would be handy in the ToDo
2012-10-12 23:33:31 NotTomato: Yeah. D:
2012-10-12 23:34:45 Garbee: So that link I'm guessing goes with " Put every page into a category..."
2012-10-12 23:35:30 NotTomato: No, fix "LonelyPages"
2012-10-12 23:35:45 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages
2012-10-12 23:37:49 Garbee: How do you fix a lonely page exactly?  That could be handy for people to know.  Or did I overlook that from the Getting Started Guide?
2012-10-12 23:38:27 fr0zenice: just link to them somewhere
2012-10-12 23:38:51 fr0zenice: some special searches tell you what exactly a "LonelyPage" etc. is (description above the results)
2012-10-12 23:39:02 Garbee: Yea, he gave us the search.
2012-10-12 23:39:09 Garbee: I was just wondering what the exact fix was for them.
2012-10-12 23:39:18 Garbee: Turns out they are the kid on the playground no one wants to play with.
2012-10-12 23:39:20 NotTomato: Usually if the page is lonely, it's probably missing templates because the api isn't picking it up.
2012-10-12 23:39:29 NotTomato: So just fixing the lonely pages in general would clean up a lot of the work list
2012-10-12 23:39:55 NotTomato: the lonelypage list is just a good place to look for pages that need work the most
2012-10-12 23:41:04 Garbee: Well, I just said that they are typically the pages that need the most work at this time.  If someone wants to expand more on exact thtings that needs to be done that would be great, otherwise we can leave it kinda general for now.
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2012-10-12 23:43:11 Garbee: Ok, unless there is something major I'm shutting down for the night on this stuff.
2012-10-12 23:43:23 Garbee: ugh no I'm not.
2012-10-12 23:43:28 Garbee: I left the Dev Tools in a bad state.
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2012-10-12 23:44:21 Kryptos: Anyone else thinks this looks bad? http://cl.ly/image/280i1m2V462q
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2012-10-12 23:44:34 NotTomato: Oh hello friends.
2012-10-12 23:44:52 Garbee: Kryptos, Kinda with the font, but it functions for now.
2012-10-12 23:45:08 Kryptos: Garbee:  I meant the html, HTML
2012-10-12 23:45:10 Kryptos: ;P
2012-10-12 23:45:58 Garbee: Oh, headings.  Once again yes.
2012-10-12 23:46:19 Garbee: Kryptos, I will look for a bug for it tomorrow, if I don't see one I will create one.
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2012-10-12 23:46:40 fr0zenice: I guess it's due to convention
2012-10-12 23:47:05 Garbee: It is, but it shouldn't be that way.  We should only see the page topic once.
2012-10-12 23:47:20 Kryptos: It's because the custom page title is not overwriting the 'html' I think
2012-10-12 23:47:32 Kryptos: No that's not it.
2012-10-12 23:47:39 Kryptos: HTML is the custom page title
2012-10-12 23:47:47 Garbee: So, I'm calling it a bug that needs to get fixed until someone tells me they don't care about it.  And if they do them I'm going to probably flip out.
2012-10-12 23:47:55 Garbee: then*
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2012-10-12 23:49:01 leaverou: Garbee: AFAIK there is already a bug on the double page titles
2012-10-12 23:49:35 fr0zenice: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19322
2012-10-12 23:49:56 Garbee: Cool, that saves me some time and work tomorrow.
2012-10-12 23:50:00 Garbee: Thanks.
2012-10-12 23:52:28 Kryptos: What's user talk/
2012-10-12 23:52:30 Kryptos: ?
2012-10-12 23:52:46 Garbee: The special wiki pages?
2012-10-12 23:52:56 Kryptos: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User_talk:Kryptos
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2012-10-12 23:53:07 Garbee: Just your little space.
2012-10-12 23:53:26 Kryptos: Oh awesome
2012-10-12 23:53:31 fr0zenice: more exactly the talk about your little space or you :D
2012-10-12 23:53:34 Garbee: tbh, I wouldn't use it.
2012-10-12 23:53:50 Garbee: Tomato does for his own personal todo list.
2012-10-12 23:53:59 Garbee: I'd use it for something like that if you were to make one.
2012-10-12 23:54:02 NotTomato: User_talk is for letting other people talk to you
2012-10-12 23:54:28 NotTomato: UserWiki:Kryptos would be your user spacea
2012-10-12 23:54:29 NotTomato: space
2012-10-12 23:54:43 Garbee: Yea, Tomato is using his for a task list.  Unless it is something productive like that I wouldn't use it since it kinda just adds cruft into the system.  But that is me. :/
2012-10-12 23:54:51 fr0zenice: Garbee: don't confuse User:Tomato or UserWiki:Tomato with User_talk:Tomato :P
2012-10-12 23:54:51 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User_talk:Tomato here's an example of someone talking to me on my user talk
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2012-10-12 23:55:25 Garbee: fr0zenice, O' dear.  Did I do that?  I'm sorry...  Wait, am I?
2012-10-12 23:55:26 NotTomato: you can put templates on your user talk if you want, lol, just don't be surprised if other users randomlyl edit your user talk trying to talk to you
2012-10-12 23:55:32 NotTomato: traditionally that's what that page is used for
2012-10-12 23:55:35 NotTomato: randomly*
2012-10-12 23:55:38 shepazu: #webplatform-offtopic
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2012-10-12 23:55:44 Kryptos: lol
2012-10-12 23:56:09 shepazu: oops :)
2012-10-12 23:56:43 Kryptos: I was just thinking of how awesome it'd be to have your own blogging space ;P
2012-10-12 23:56:58 NotTomato: blogging space on the wiki?
2012-10-12 23:57:01 Garbee: Kryptos, Yea, no.
2012-10-12 23:57:04 NotTomato: the entire wiki is your blog!
2012-10-12 23:57:12 Garbee: Get your own blog, don't use the wiki system.
2012-10-12 23:57:14 NotTomato: you can blog about all the information you know about web development, in a non bias form
2012-10-12 23:57:17 NotTomato: it's lots of fun (;
2012-10-12 23:57:32 Garbee: Wait... non-bias?  Who has ever heard of such a think?
2012-10-12 23:57:45 Kryptos: Don't know how you can imagine I was thinking of using the wiki to blog
2012-10-12 23:58:05 NotTomato: i was trying to trick you into putting information on the wiki, is it working?
2012-10-12 23:58:18 Garbee: Kryptos, Honestly I wouldn't be surprised.  I have heard worse.
2012-10-12 23:58:33 Kryptos: Garbee: True that
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2012-10-12 23:59:08 Kryptos: NotTomato: I was feeling like doing the PHP page actually.
2012-10-12 23:59:14 shepazu: later, interwebs
2012-10-12 23:59:20 Kryptos: cya'
2012-10-12 23:59:30 fr0zenice: bye
2012-10-13 00:00:13 Garbee: Just as an FYI to anyone that wants to know.  I protected the Developer Tools page with an expire time for one day, that way it doesn't get found and destroyed before it is finished.
2012-10-13 00:00:30 fr0zenice: gj :)
2012-10-13 00:00:32 Garbee: I set it so only Admins can edit for one day, should give me enough time to get my outline done and get feedback before going any further.
2012-10-13 00:00:45 Garbee: At that point the flood gates can let loose.
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2012-10-13 00:02:46 fr0zenice: alright guys, 2:00 AM, the WP(D) tabs take up 2 screen heights in FF (I'm using vertical tabs) and the nesting makes a nice random zigzag
2012-10-13 00:02:52 fr0zenice: time to get some sleep :)
2012-10-13 00:03:25 fr0zenice: cya laters
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2012-10-13 00:09:41 Kryptos: Bug: Can't really explain it, just -> http://cl.ly/image/2B1A2z0t0H0V
2012-10-13 00:10:07 Kryptos: The page shouldn't come up for each time 'php' is in it
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2012-10-13 00:13:03 Garbee: No it shouldn't.
2012-10-13 00:13:34 Garbee: I will look into it more tomorrow during bug day and see if there is already a report, if not then I will make one.
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2012-10-13 00:32:54 sethetter: Is the usemin task in h5bp build script a third party thing, or something only included with that build script?
2012-10-13 00:33:59 Garbee: sethetter, I think that might be better asked in #html5 since more people hang out in there who probably know.
2012-10-13 00:36:55 sethetter: Garbee: thanks, will check there :)
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2012-10-13 00:50:33 Garbee: I don't think I have ever written as much email in my *life* so far as I have written in the past 3 days for the Mailing List.
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2012-10-13 00:58:28 Garbee: Do you need help with something?
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2012-10-13 01:01:21 paul_irish: Garbee: your list involvement has been fantastic
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2012-10-13 01:02:05 Garbee: paul_irish, Mailing list?
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2012-10-13 01:02:41 Garbee: Also I'm planning on asking a few people I know to look at the site and give me some feedback so I can get a better view of what regular people outside of our community think would be proper.
2012-10-13 01:03:12 Garbee: There level of web dev knowledge ranges, so I think that will give me a better idea of what other people are thinking about it so I can make a better decision on it.
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2012-10-13 01:05:22 paul_irish: cool
2012-10-13 01:05:47 Garbee: Basically, don't expect a completely final decision from me until at least next week is over.
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2012-10-13 01:06:38 Garbee: I can say at this point I would *prefer* to not have it become about normal support like that, but if it is decided that we should do it then I will help out.  (My mind won't thank be, but I'll do it.)
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2012-10-13 01:19:27 mdel: have we discussed the proper way to handle questions that are off-topic
2012-10-13 01:19:45 mdel: that is, downvoting vs flagging vs redirecting (if it makes sense to do so)
2012-10-13 01:19:52 Garbee: Flagging only.
2012-10-13 01:19:56 Garbee: well, no.
2012-10-13 01:20:00 Garbee: Redirect if possible.
2012-10-13 01:20:08 Garbee: Flag for things like server-side topics.
2012-10-13 01:20:30 gaston_garcia: Is any discussion happening on other language support?
2012-10-13 01:20:30 mdel: whats the case for downvoting then?
2012-10-13 01:20:30 Garbee: For now, use this as a guide:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic
2012-10-13 01:20:42 Garbee: gaston_garcia, Server-side languages are out, period.
2012-10-13 01:20:46 Garbee: Check the FAQ.
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2012-10-13 01:20:52 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
2012-10-13 01:20:53 mdel: Garbee: yes, I'm aware :) but that page does not discuss the proper handling of off-topic
2012-10-13 01:20:59 gaston_garcia: I mean Spanish/French etc. sorry didn't explain
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2012-10-13 01:21:12 Garbee: mdel, Read please.
2012-10-13 01:21:27 Garbee: Excertp from Q&A section just under examples:  " Are all good fodder for webplatform.org documentation. In these situations, it would be a good idea to give the question asker a couple of links and a paragraph of relevant information, and then try to encourage them to look for further information themselves. Also try to encourage them to start a page on webplatform.org to document the information you have discussed. If they are unwilling to do
2012-10-13 01:21:27 Garbee:  this, pass the link round on our mailing list to see if anyone there is interesting in documenting it. "
2012-10-13 01:21:41 Garbee: gaston_garcia, On, internationalization (i18n).
2012-10-13 01:21:48 Garbee: oh*
2012-10-13 01:21:49 gaston_garcia: :) exactly
2012-10-13 01:21:50 mdel: Garbee: that page doesnt mention flagging. at all.
2012-10-13 01:21:54 Garbee: Yea, it is being worked on.
2012-10-13 01:22:04 mdel: ... ok
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2012-10-13 01:22:17 Garbee: mdel, Flag for server-side stuff that we have decided is not on-topic at all.
2012-10-13 01:22:24 Garbee: And the like.
2012-10-13 01:22:41 Garbee: If it is borderline, then don't flag but redirect until we come to a consensus.
2012-10-13 01:22:45 gaston_garcia: ok. I'm from Costa Rica and we have a small HTML/CSS Facebook group for developers to ask questions, etc. But then it would be great idea to bring them here.
2012-10-13 01:22:46 Garbee: Please.
2012-10-13 01:23:12 Garbee: gaston_garcia, Right now, as far as general tech support stuff we are still deciding on what to do about that stuff.
2012-10-13 01:23:28 gaston_garcia: alright, thanks
2012-10-13 01:23:36 Garbee: If it is specific to our docs then please do bring them in.  But general stuff sorry kinda up in the air at the moment.
2012-10-13 01:23:38 gaston_garcia: The project seems amazing
2012-10-13 01:23:52 Garbee: Please check back in a week or two to see if we have come to a decision on that.
2012-10-13 01:24:01 gaston_garcia: ok
2012-10-13 01:24:05 Garbee: If questions have to do with webplatform.org or the content directly, then do ask away.
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2012-10-13 01:25:08 gaston_garcia: So the docs on webplatform.org are being translated? Or is help needed on that?
2012-10-13 01:26:10 mdel: anyone else have any thoughts on flagging vs downvoting? For example, http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1112/what-is-best-web-player
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2012-10-13 01:26:47 Garbee: I can already say don't downvote.
2012-10-13 01:26:57 mdel: right, that should be flagged of course
2012-10-13 01:27:19 mdel: but then what would be the use-case for downvoting
2012-10-13 01:27:21 _cheney: translation is planned yes, it will require community involvement so if you can help, that would be lovely
2012-10-13 01:27:28 Garbee: Yea, downvote only on *good* content that has an issue in your eyes (and please explain why you downvoted, unless it is the Q itself, then just kinda leave it.)
2012-10-13 01:27:44 mdel: sorry if this has been discussed, but it is not covered in the page you linked (which I have been following closely)
2012-10-13 01:27:59 Garbee: Yea, it really hasn't been except in an answer by Tomato iirc.
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2012-10-13 01:28:03 Garbee: I will find it for you in a few.
2012-10-13 01:28:10 Garbee: For right now, just leave this a lone.
2012-10-13 01:28:12 Garbee: alone*
2012-10-13 01:28:19 Garbee: Vote or answer if you want.
2012-10-13 01:28:24 gaston_garcia: Yeah I guess I could do bit of  translating, and at least try to get some other people on board from down here.
2012-10-13 01:28:29 avsej: Excess Flood
2012-10-13 01:28:34 Garbee: But, this is kinda borderline and needs to be discussed.
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2012-10-13 01:28:38 mdel: I'm not planning on doing much with questions until we nail things down a bit more
2012-10-13 01:28:42 Garbee: I *think* it is proper though.
2012-10-13 01:29:02 Kryptos: Flagging is more for reporting something for being against the rules.
2012-10-13 01:29:04 Garbee: We could use the answer to help improve the docs, if only we had a bit more specificity on what "Web Player" is for.
2012-10-13 01:29:31 Kryptos: Downvoting is just unliking a questions that you think is dumb, not necessary or pointless.
2012-10-13 01:29:54 Garbee: mdel, http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1912/how-can-we-make-the-q%26a-forums-more-useful
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2012-10-13 01:30:10 Utitron: hi its me
2012-10-13 01:30:18 Utitron: i have one question now
2012-10-13 01:30:20 Garbee: Utitron, We know.
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2012-10-13 01:30:27 Utitron: ok
2012-10-13 01:30:35 Utitron: now i translate him
2012-10-13 01:30:42 Garbee: Ok, plese don't announce questions.  Just ask.
2012-10-13 01:30:55 mdel: hmm, i definitely disagree that any question of the form "what is the best X" should be allowed
2012-10-13 01:30:59 mdel: but that smy opinion of course
2012-10-13 01:31:06 Garbee: It is polite in real life, yes.  But here it is just extra noise.
2012-10-13 01:31:49 gaston_garcia: mdel, why do you think those "what is the best" questions shouldn't be allowed?
2012-10-13 01:31:59 Garbee: mdel, Not all.  But *if* the answer/conversation can help improve docs, let it be.
2012-10-13 01:32:09 Garbee: It is a fine line to see imo.
2012-10-13 01:32:21 mdel: see, if that's the stance then we need to define the line I think
2012-10-13 01:32:33 mdel: if "web player" is not defined in the docs, then this is OT
2012-10-13 01:32:37 Garbee: The line is (for me) can it improve the docs?
2012-10-13 01:32:54 Garbee: We are going to have things about web players that can be used on sites I'm guessing.
2012-10-13 01:33:01 Utitron: Why FPS (in 2D) in WebGL is 3-5 times greater (more) than in the Canvas?
2012-10-13 01:33:05 Garbee: With <video> and <audio> information for HTML.
2012-10-13 01:33:16 mdel: right, of course
2012-10-13 01:33:21 Garbee: Utitron, WebGL using the GPU directly.  Canvas I don't think does that.
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2012-10-13 01:34:06 _cheney: chrome enables the gpu for 2d canvas now
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2012-10-13 01:34:21 _cheney: but you probably won't get the same results cross-browser
2012-10-13 01:34:21 mdel: i dont want to beat a dead horse. I know the point of our mailing list discussion, and the discussion here, is to define this type of thing
2012-10-13 01:34:43 Garbee: If someone asks "What is the best {web browser, IDE, Text editor, online WYSIWYG editor}?" then I'd trash most of those.  only exception being WYSIWYG, but that is really a judgement call in the moment for me.
2012-10-13 01:34:55 mdel: its definitely tough, but it needs to be done (asap in my opinion) to keep the Q&A valuable
2012-10-13 01:34:57 Utitron: i tested in google Crome too
2012-10-13 01:35:05 Utitron: WebGl moe FPS 3-5
2012-10-13 01:35:11 Utitron: more
2012-10-13 01:35:23 Garbee: mdel, Yes, and it will take some time.  I am personally trying to get plenty of views from many people of different skill levels outside of the community in order to help me make a more informed decision.
2012-10-13 01:35:38 Utitron: u know in Chrome about:flags
2012-10-13 01:35:48 Garbee: chrome://flags
2012-10-13 01:35:52 mdel: Garbee: yeah, I think we all are
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2012-10-13 01:35:57 Utitron: "about:flags"
2012-10-13 01:36:16 Garbee: about:flags forwards to chrome://flags
2012-10-13 01:36:19 _cheney: it's the same
2012-10-13 01:36:19 Utitron: there are many add options
2012-10-13 01:36:29 Utitron: they heeden u not see it in menu
2012-10-13 01:36:33 Garbee:  WebGL using the GPU directly.  Canvas I don't think does that.  ---This would explain it.
2012-10-13 01:36:41 Utitron: yes
2012-10-13 01:37:29 Garbee: There is also a *reason* those aren't in the menu.  But it is a conversation for offtopic.
2012-10-13 01:38:49 Garbee: mdel, I can basically say it will be the end of next week if not the week after before I make a final decision on things.  I don't think our current mob mentality has been very fruitful other than getting things against it mounted quickly.
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2012-10-13 01:39:07 Garbee: But for now, I'm taking a cautious approach I think to things.
2012-10-13 01:39:35 Utitron: In the future, the gap between the number of FPS will increase even more? Between Webgl and Cancas?
2012-10-13 01:40:01 mdel: Garbee: i really dont see the mob mentality, I think there have been many, many valid points against, and very few for (in the short term)
2012-10-13 01:40:06 Garbee: Utitron, It could.  No real way to tell if it will remain consistant or if it will go one way or the other.
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2012-10-13 01:40:25 Garbee: mdel, Well we haven't heard from many people *for* it which is the problem.
2012-10-13 01:40:46 Garbee: We have Doug saying he wants it and a few others.  But very little in the Mailing List at all.
2012-10-13 01:40:57 mdel: right, I know
2012-10-13 01:41:01 Garbee: I know Doug is working on it, so I am at least waiting to get his thoughts and comprehend them.
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2012-10-13 01:41:20 Utitron: Intel video chips work with WebGL? have good aceleration?
2012-10-13 01:41:54 Garbee: Utitron, They should.  WebGL uses OpenGL which basically all chips since 199x has supported from what someone was mentioning a few days ago to me.
2012-10-13 01:42:35 Garbee: yea, they have OpenGL so WebGL should work just fine.   Do note though Intel chips suck when it comes to graphics.
2012-10-13 01:43:14 Utitron: game will be 2D
2012-10-13 01:43:22 Utitron: no 3D
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2012-10-13 01:43:32 Garbee: Intel still sucks.
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2012-10-13 01:43:42 Garbee: I personally hate their graphics chips.
2012-10-13 01:43:44 mdel: Garbee: i mean, the keeping on topic page basically says no support
2012-10-13 01:43:50 mdel: so if we aren't decided, it should be removed
2012-10-13 01:44:11 Utitron: game must have 24 fps in sec minimum
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2012-10-13 01:44:13 Garbee: mdel, It is preliminary and really isn't fully enforcable yet since we haven't decided.
2012-10-13 01:44:17 Garbee: Think of it as a mockup.
2012-10-13 01:44:46 Garbee: Utitron, You should really go to #webgl for that stuff.
2012-10-13 01:44:51 _cheney: what constitutes as support? someone coming in here asking for help on their project?
2012-10-13 01:44:55 Garbee: We can't really help here.
2012-10-13 01:45:23 Garbee: _cheney, Yea.  Asking things like integrating some random jquery plugin, or handing us a website asking why something specific won't work on it.
2012-10-13 01:45:39 Utitron: i ask help to my project :)
2012-10-13 01:45:49 Garbee: Just general tech support that there are plenty of other places to get help for.
2012-10-13 01:46:22 _cheney: ah ok. i'd say we just redirect them to the best of our ability
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2012-10-13 01:46:33 Garbee: Utitron, And notice how I'm pointing you to #webgl for help?  Since we don't cover it in that level and I don't think most people here know enough to really answer your questions properly/accurately.
2012-10-13 01:46:45 Garbee: _cheney, Exactly.
2012-10-13 01:46:56 Garbee: I'm all for redirecting and trying to get people to the right place.
2012-10-13 01:47:02 mdel: ^^
2012-10-13 01:47:08 Utitron: It makes sense to study the Canvas or not? He will die in the future, perhaps?
2012-10-13 01:47:13 Garbee: But doing it ourselves is just adding too much extra work I think.  Plus overall noise.
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2012-10-13 01:47:26 Garbee: Utitron, Canvas has its uses.
2012-10-13 01:47:31 Garbee: It will stick around.
2012-10-13 01:47:54 Garbee: There is no reason to not study it in order to learn about it.
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2012-10-13 01:48:36 Garbee: Just do it and get a better overall understanding of how things work.  Then you also know the pitfalls and good sides to the technology so you can make an informed decision on using it.
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2012-10-13 01:49:15 Utitron: Canvas where uses? WebGL can replace it. And WebGL faster.
2012-10-13 01:49:55 Garbee: Utitron, I don't think any place is the conversation for that right now.  WebGL still needs to be widely supported before that can even be considered.
2012-10-13 01:50:10 Garbee: Canvas will be around for a while to say the least.
2012-10-13 01:50:13 Utitron: WebGL capabilities are much broader.
2012-10-13 01:50:25 Garbee: Canvas is supported.
2012-10-13 01:50:31 Garbee: Catch 22 there.
2012-10-13 01:51:09 _cheney: remember when we had to use flash for that stuff? ah, the good ol' days
2012-10-13 01:51:11 Garbee: Well I'm done for the evening.  You all have a good {morning,evening,night,afternoon}.
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2012-10-13 01:51:37 mdel: Garbee: g'night!
2012-10-13 01:51:53 Utitron: night
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2012-10-13 01:52:41 mdel: anyone here with permissions to update the Volunteer page?
2012-10-13 01:53:09 Utitron: I'm starting to learn. I am guided by the future. And I think that the only WebGL.
2012-10-13 01:53:41 Utitron: u know flash?
2012-10-13 01:53:56 mdel: Utitron: right or wrong, you should choose the technology right for your application.
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2012-10-13 01:54:12 mdel: the technology BEST for your application
2012-10-13 01:54:17 Utitron: i chose WebGl
2012-10-13 01:54:20 _cheney: and it's probably not flash
2012-10-13 01:54:39 mdel: Utitron: nice, then you should focus on that
2012-10-13 01:55:08 Utitron: Possible to do an online game for many players on Flash?
2012-10-13 01:55:49 Utitron: make posseble?
2012-10-13 01:55:58 Utitron: mel?
2012-10-13 01:56:02 Utitron: mdel?
2012-10-13 01:56:13 _cheney: not sure, but flash is off-topic
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2012-10-13 01:56:54 Utitron: we can add flash in docs then will good
2012-10-13 01:57:42 Utitron: ok i will be use WebGL for my nyan game
2012-10-13 01:57:51 Utitron: thanks to all!
2012-10-13 01:57:55 _cheney: have fun
2012-10-13 01:57:58 Utitron: for answers!
2012-10-13 01:58:06 Utitron: bye and night
2012-10-13 01:58:07 Utitron: !
2012-10-13 01:58:11 Utitron: b!
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2012-10-13 02:00:00 _cheney: nyan games are serious business
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2012-10-13 02:04:29 plamoni: _cheney, Nyan games are always on topic.
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2012-10-13 02:07:13 plamoni: Case in point: http://jsfiddle.net/axe63/
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2012-10-13 02:09:02 _cheney: nice
2012-10-13 02:09:42 plamoni: did you try the "NYAN!" button?
2012-10-13 02:10:13 _cheney: yes, although i'm unsure about what he's doing
2012-10-13 02:10:25 plamoni: takes about 45 seconds to complete
2012-10-13 02:10:25 _cheney: i guess i can just let it run for awhile
2012-10-13 02:10:39 _cheney: haha ok, i see it now
2012-10-13 02:10:47 plamoni: here's the "on topic" part: http://mootools.net/blog/2012/08/08/javascript-challenge-3/#comment-2828
2012-10-13 02:10:49 plamoni: haha
2012-10-13 02:11:04 plamoni: and http://mootools.net/blog/2012/08/08/javascript-challenge-3/#comment-2830
2012-10-13 02:11:44 _cheney: haha wow, check out this one http://jsfiddle.net/FGAun/
2012-10-13 02:11:46 plamoni: in depth examination of the performance characteristics and improvement strategies for canvas animation and drawing...
2012-10-13 02:12:10 plamoni: haha, yeah, who is that good looking fellow?!
2012-10-13 02:12:55 _cheney: can't see the entire face yet
2012-10-13 02:13:34 plamoni: http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/11c1233c93af05a86ee247efa8e27545
2012-10-13 02:13:40 plamoni: in case you don't feel like waiting
2012-10-13 02:13:56 _cheney: yeah it's the author's grav
2012-10-13 02:15:03 plamoni: I'm the author...
2012-10-13 02:15:04 plamoni: it's me
2012-10-13 02:15:05 plamoni: :-P
2012-10-13 02:15:13 amirouche: I like faces too
2012-10-13 02:15:15 plamoni: the "P" in "plamoni" is for "Pete"
2012-10-13 02:15:24 _cheney: seriously? lol
2012-10-13 02:15:28 plamoni: yeah
2012-10-13 02:15:37 plamoni: i went a bit overboard on that challenge
2012-10-13 02:15:49 _cheney: well that's an interesting coincidence
2012-10-13 02:16:00 plamoni: how so?
2012-10-13 02:16:20 _cheney: that i happened to link yours
2012-10-13 02:16:38 plamoni: meh, i sent you to the page... and sort of dominated that challenge :-P
2012-10-13 02:17:09 amirouche backlogging
2012-10-13 02:17:31 plamoni: i'm sad they quit doing them... but sadly i was the only entry in the last one... so i guess that's why they quit doing them
2012-10-13 02:17:40 amirouche: sorry to interupt but it doesn't respond to keystroke
2012-10-13 02:17:50 plamoni: meh, we're offtopicing anyway
2012-10-13 02:17:57 plamoni: what doesn't respond to keystrokes?
2012-10-13 02:18:01 amirouche: the cat
2012-10-13 02:18:04 plamoni: haha
2012-10-13 02:18:08 amirouche: the cat with peace flag
2012-10-13 02:18:11 _cheney: yeah i tried using arrow keys at first too
2012-10-13 02:18:32 amirouche: which actually pee a flag to be exact
2012-10-13 02:18:54 plamoni: haha
2012-10-13 02:19:00 amirouche: it's nice to have that kind of challenge though
2012-10-13 02:19:06 amirouche: it seems a bit simple at first
2012-10-13 02:19:18 amirouche: but I guess it's not
2012-10-13 02:19:39 plamoni: well, you can always take it way beyond the parameters
2012-10-13 02:19:42 plamoni: which is what makes it fun
2012-10-13 02:20:02 amirouche: plamoni, I got yours fiddle
2012-10-13 02:20:04 amirouche: I think
2012-10-13 02:20:19 amirouche: It looks like a printer for the old '90 but with a cat!
2012-10-13 02:20:32 plamoni: it probably operates the same way, actually
2012-10-13 02:20:38 amirouche: true
2012-10-13 02:21:01 plamoni: in order to speed things up, i have it go faster when the colors aren't changing for a bit...
2012-10-13 02:21:09 plamoni: which is probably how older printers work
2012-10-13 02:21:15 plamoni: so the effect looks similar
2012-10-13 02:22:04 plamoni: you can learn a lot from this kind of open-ended challenge
2012-10-13 02:22:13 plamoni: i know i did
2012-10-13 02:22:54 gluxon: Hm.. plamoni..
2012-10-13 02:23:04 amirouche: don't spend too much time fiddling with cat peeing flags or doing printer's work though
2012-10-13 02:23:05 gluxon: plamoni: You aren't the same plamoni as the SiriProxy dev, are you?
2012-10-13 02:23:13 plamoni: that's me
2012-10-13 02:23:23 plamoni: my claim to fame ;-)
2012-10-13 02:23:26 gluxon: plamoni: Wow, that's awesome. :)
2012-10-13 02:23:58 amirouche: ^^
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2012-10-13 02:24:46 plamoni: did you just google me or have you actually tried using SiriProxy?
2012-10-13 02:24:49 amirouche: Ok this talks about apples, I don't think I can't handle a discussion
2012-10-13 02:25:19 gluxon: plamoni: I actually have used SiriProxy. Your name seemed like.. *really* familiar, so I cheated and googled you. :P
2012-10-13 02:25:39 plamoni: coolness... if you got it up and running i applaud you...
2012-10-13 02:25:43 plamoni: it's not a simple thing to do
2012-10-13 02:25:56 gluxon: plamoni: Really? The hard part is developing it.
2012-10-13 02:25:58 plamoni: especially for web developers :-)
2012-10-13 02:26:20 plamoni: nah... that was easy... Applidium did the hard work... i just implemented it in a usable fashion...
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2012-10-13 02:26:53 plamoni: i'm a web developer by day... so SSL MITM implementations are sort of outside my comfort zone ;-)
2012-10-13 02:26:57 gluxon: plamoni: Still impressive :P
2012-10-13 02:27:02 plamoni: so is Ruby... I'm a Java dev...
2012-10-13 02:27:07 amirouche: plamoni, you should add dilbert comic about the subject https://github.com/plamoni/SiriProxy#about
2012-10-13 02:27:25 amirouche: lmgtfy
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2012-10-13 02:28:11 gluxon: I've been working on a Node.js Siri Server port. Still need to figure out zlib decompression without headers as all Node.js zlib implementations require it.
2012-10-13 02:28:30 gluxon: Nothing impossible :)
2012-10-13 02:29:03 plamoni: you're right... i'd love to see the result... sounds like an opportunity to write a gzip implementation!
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2012-10-13 02:30:01 amirouche: plamoni, http://youtu.be/McugOa3JmbQ?t=1m12s
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2012-10-13 02:30:18 gluxon: Yeah, this is a really long term project of mine, as I don't even have all the required API's available in Node.js yet.
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2012-10-13 02:31:25 amirouche: it is hilarious, I though you were refering to this in the about section
2012-10-13 02:31:57 amirouche: a bit geeky maybe
2012-10-13 02:32:32 plamoni: haha, i never saw that... but its pretty funny...
2012-10-13 02:33:06 amirouche: glad you like it
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2012-10-13 02:33:33 amirouche back to productive stuff
2012-10-13 02:33:59 plamoni: Yeah, the OT mods are going to crack down on us any second now :-P
2012-10-13 02:34:56 gluxon: It's not completely off-topic :)
2012-10-13 02:35:21 amirouche: THE CHICKEN MAN!
2012-10-13 02:35:24 amirouche: sorry
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2012-10-13 02:46:50 gluxon: So actually, I'm going to be teaching basics of web design to around 15 or so students in 2 hours. What do the fair people here recommend me going over? :)
2012-10-13 02:47:19 gluxon: In 2 hours as in that's the time I have, not teaching 2 hours from now.
2012-10-13 02:47:39 _cheney: development?
2012-10-13 02:48:14 plamoni: first class functions, closures, duck typing, and performance characteristics of native arrays in comparison to JS arrays...
2012-10-13 02:48:25 plamoni: oh, wait, you said "basic"
2012-10-13 02:48:31 amirouche: give it a name first :p
2012-10-13 02:49:02 _cheney: here's a good start for them http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
2012-10-13 02:49:12 plamoni: _cheney, +1
2012-10-13 02:49:13 amirouche: the basics would mean what, how, why from a high foot
2012-10-13 02:49:15 _cheney: is it a onetime class? or something ongoing
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2012-10-13 03:07:41 amirouche: mind the fact, that you might like the present things differently if the student were forced to do the class or not, I think, most people at talked about webdev during my «enginerring years» were scared somewhat by webdev too much technos, too much infrastructure et al.
2012-10-13 03:08:34 amirouche: s/at/I/
2012-10-13 03:08:51 amirouche: gluxon, ^
2012-10-13 03:10:01 gluxon: amirouche: That's a good point. Everyone attending is doing it by their own will though.
2012-10-13 03:10:03 Garbee rages at SSO internally because the true output is too vulgar for this room.
2012-10-13 03:10:26 gluxon: These are high schoolers that have no previous knowledge about web sites.
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2012-10-13 03:10:39 gluxon: And it's one time :)
2012-10-13 03:10:48 Garbee: Then I wouldn't even cover too much code.
2012-10-13 03:10:54 amirouche: ugh
2012-10-13 03:11:06 _cheney: should be more of a sales pitch
2012-10-13 03:11:16 amirouche: +1
2012-10-13 03:11:21 Garbee: I would try to explain to them *why* learning some kind of coding could be useful experience and explain how they can learn more about this stuff.
2012-10-13 03:11:34 _cheney: cover why they should be interested, and how they can explore it on their own
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2012-10-13 03:11:49 Garbee: Get them interested in bettering themselves or their understanding of something through coding and why web might be a good place to start.
2012-10-13 03:11:52 gluxon: Great.
2012-10-13 03:11:58 Garbee: tbh, 2 hours isn't enough prep time.
2012-10-13 03:12:09 Garbee: At this point you basically show up and let things flow.
2012-10-13 03:12:33 amirouche: maybe some kind of QA might work
2012-10-13 03:12:37 gluxon: Garbee: It's 2 hours long, I have at least a week to prepare based on where it lands. A month at most.
2012-10-13 03:12:43 amirouche: but some people get lost in QA sessions
2012-10-13 03:13:11 Garbee: Ah, I mis-understood your post earlier.
2012-10-13 03:13:34 Garbee: Well then you have plenty of time to prepare.
2012-10-13 03:13:49 gluxon: Right. :)
2012-10-13 03:13:49 Garbee: I think this discussion is best served over in #webplatform-offtopic though.
2012-10-13 03:13:57 Garbee: So if we could move it over there that would be wonderful.
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2012-10-13 04:43:02 Ordona: Hi
2012-10-13 04:50:42 AGM114K2A: hi
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2012-10-13 04:56:07 ee_persian: hi all
2012-10-13 04:56:16 ee_persian: who work on PHP ?
2012-10-13 04:58:10 eternicode: ee_persian, ##php ;D
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2012-10-13 04:58:32 eternicode: alrighty, then.
2012-10-13 04:59:40 AGM114K2A: i work on php, what's up?
2012-10-13 05:00:11 ctoveloz[BR]: i
2012-10-13 05:00:18 ctoveloz[BR]: cakephp..
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2012-10-13 05:25:59 amirouche: ctoveloz[BR], u no stop this ?!
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2012-10-13 05:29:44 ctoveloz[BR]: why
2012-10-13 05:29:46 amirouche: someone you or someone else is trolling everybody about cakephp, stop it already
2012-10-13 05:31:02 ctoveloz[BR]: difficult
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2012-10-13 05:38:14 tomshreds: hey guys, what do you use to manage your projects?
2012-10-13 05:39:11 amirouche: tomshreds, I use github for my personnal projects does this answer you question ?
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2012-10-13 05:49:50 amirouche: we use both github and bitbucket for work related stuff, and trac and some homemade tracker
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2012-10-13 11:22:13 Samar: Hi
2012-10-13 11:24:24 Garbee: Hello.   Do you need help with something?
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2012-10-13 11:31:08 Garbee: d?
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2012-10-13 11:31:21 Garbee: I don't know where to go from there.  Sorry.
2012-10-13 11:34:13 Damianz: e?
2012-10-13 11:34:28 fr0zenice: the correct answer would have been c++
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2012-10-13 11:37:14 Samar: Yes plz. Could you suggest me anyway to efficiently edit content for webplaform pages.
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2012-10-13 11:38:02 Samar: I mean i want to contribute to webplatform regarding css and nodejs. How can i do so?
2012-10-13 11:38:13 Garbee: nodejs is out of the scope of our documentation.
2012-10-13 11:38:25 Samar: oh okay.
2012-10-13 11:38:31 Garbee: css however has its own section!  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css
2012-10-13 11:38:53 Garbee: If you haven't already please look over the Getting Started Guide as well:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-13 11:39:33 Samar: okay, thanks for you ur reply. I appreciate.
2012-10-13 11:39:54 Samar: *your
2012-10-13 11:39:55 Garbee: Ah, and this:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Manual
2012-10-13 11:40:05 Garbee: That is pretty important.
2012-10-13 11:41:36 Samar: okay, i will go through with these documents in details. Looking forward to contribute something this weekend.
2012-10-13 11:41:56 Garbee: Thanks for wanting to help out.
2012-10-13 11:42:04 fr0zenice: contributors are winners!
2012-10-13 11:42:07 Garbee: Please ask if you have any questions either here or in the Q&A.
2012-10-13 11:42:58 Garbee: Personal note:  I would *like* to see questions about editing in the Q&A currently so others have a better chance of seeing it.
2012-10-13 11:43:14 Garbee: But, if you need immediate feedback then we are always open.
2012-10-13 11:43:31 Samar: Sure, i will. Thanks for your helping hand. I appreciate.
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2012-10-13 11:44:56 Garbee: We appreciate you wanting to help out Samar.  Everyone that does only make sthe Docs that much better.
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2012-10-13 13:55:56 phwd: why is the Q&A spitting back my ip address instead of my username :S
2012-10-13 13:56:45 Garbee: It is a known issue:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:KnownIssues
2012-10-13 13:57:01 Garbee: It is a problem with the session handling currently in use.
2012-10-13 13:57:49 fr0zenice: you can try going to http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogout clearing your cookies and logging back in
2012-10-13 13:58:25 phwd: Cool I'll try that
2012-10-13 13:58:31 Garbee: The technical answer is MediaWiki isn't liking the user cookie being shared between itself and the Q2A system.
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2012-10-13 13:58:56 Garbee: Yea, you can do that, but after visiting a few pages or a certain amount of time you could get back to needing to clear cookies and all.
2012-10-13 13:59:38 Garbee: So just be warned it isn't a permanent fix, just when it happens that can help.
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2012-10-13 14:01:54 phwd: Is MediaWiki not used to being controlled as a Q&A?
2012-10-13 14:02:41 Garbee: The session cookie is being used to make an SSO for the site.
2012-10-13 14:02:57 Garbee: They are 2 separate systems, which is MediaWiki's problem with the way it is currently configured.
2012-10-13 14:03:06 fr0zenice: The actual Q&A software is called Question2Answer.
2012-10-13 14:03:06 Garbee: It thinks the cookie is being used in a bad way.
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2012-10-13 14:08:18 phwd: Silly question then, what's the priority of the Q&A to the docs
2012-10-13 14:08:44 phwd: If the community is mashing two different systems together something is gonna give
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2012-10-13 14:10:08 Garbee: phwd, Priority is Docs first ofc.  But, the Q&A system will be fixed somehow.  It is just taking time due to the setup and config that we have.
2012-10-13 14:11:06 Garbee: The thing is admin resources who have that level of access and expertise is limited.  So working out the best solution and implementing it will take some time.
2012-10-13 14:11:22 Garbee: There is a *reason* for the alpha tag. ;)
2012-10-13 14:11:39 Garbee: We ask that you do be patient with the system though while we get things patched up and figured out.
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2012-10-13 14:15:33 phwd: Sure alpha tag should be given space to breathe. I can agree with that
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2012-10-13 14:17:36 phwd: Regardless one more question :)
2012-10-13 14:18:25 phwd: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/53/please-dont-capitalize-the-first-letter-of-the-username the answers here are incorrect if Question2Answer is indeed the system running the Q&A
2012-10-13 14:18:52 fr0zenice: The users are pulled in via SSO from MediaWiki.
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2012-10-13 14:20:54 fr0zenice: That means Q&A doesn't have its own user-database, but uses the one from the docs.
2012-10-13 14:21:49 phwd: any reason who not hold both user sets of data in one profile? It seems Q2A also allows gravatars and OpenID login if plugins are installed
2012-10-13 14:21:55 phwd: why not hold*
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2012-10-13 14:25:30 fr0zenice: I guess it's easier for the user to just create a wiki account and automatically have access to the others system, like Q&A or maybe a on-site bugtracker later.
2012-10-13 14:25:59 fr0zenice: having different usernames in those systems seems confusing
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2012-10-13 14:30:37 GONDO: hi
2012-10-13 14:30:56 GONDO: is there anybody ?
2012-10-13 14:31:06 fr0zenice: hello
2012-10-13 14:31:12 GONDO: hi
2012-10-13 14:31:37 GONDO: here is like a ghost city
2012-10-13 14:31:39 GONDO: :)
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2012-10-13 14:31:57 phwd: To be fair, currently, based on login issues... it would be easier to login with OpenID via a system like Question2Answer
2012-10-13 14:32:10 phwd: And this isn't solely to do with usernames
2012-10-13 14:32:36 GONDO: anyone ?
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2012-10-13 14:33:00 GONDO: where are the developers ?
2012-10-13 14:33:00 phwd: There is a lot of functionality in Question2Answer that is not being used. Which is perfectly fine based on the priority
2012-10-13 14:33:27 Garbee: phwd, We agree, but MediaWiki *is* the user database.  We can only use what it supports.
2012-10-13 14:33:49 Garbee: SSO using OpenID and the like *is* something to be done, but it wasn't a launch blocker.
2012-10-13 14:34:20 Garbee: Once again, hence why it is alpha. Alpha gives it much more breathing rom then most people think.  And if people think otherwise they should reconsider their view of alpha software.
2012-10-13 14:34:47 Garbee: There are lots of known UX issues on top of pure functionality.
2012-10-13 14:36:17 Garbee: Alpha stage is for *developers* to get in and help clean up and write documentation.  People are free to point out bugs and issues to be fixed and/or improved later, but for now there are some major fucuses on getting what we have fully functional (like SSO between MW and Q2A).
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2012-10-13 14:39:56 phwd: I always thought of alpha as a stage to ensure stability of the current feature set
2012-10-13 14:40:11 phwd: You said yourself "while we get things patched up and figured out"
2012-10-13 14:40:14 Garbee: No, that is RC.
2012-10-13 14:40:21 Garbee: Alpha is *way* before RC.
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2012-10-13 14:41:10 Garbee: Alpha > Beta > RC > Release.   We actually could just not do an official beta or RC and just go straight from alpha to Release.  That is up to people way beyond me, although I do hope we have the proper stage milestones to get things properly sorted.
2012-10-13 14:41:34 Garbee: Which thanks for making me think of that, it is something I think needs addressing.
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2012-10-13 14:47:09 Damianz: really a release cycle isn't that straight forward as there are multiple releases and multiple work flows per release in each 'stage'
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2012-10-13 14:47:47 phwd: So, I just want to be clear on this... focus on docs forget the minor bugs only file for something major that impacts actually working on docs?
2012-10-13 14:47:59 eighty4: Excess Flood
2012-10-13 14:48:13 Garbee: File a bug for anything that is a bug.
2012-10-13 14:48:25 Garbee: In fact today just let me know what you think is a bug and I will confirm and report them myself.
2012-10-13 14:48:27 Damianz: unless it's already filed :D
2012-10-13 14:48:32 Garbee: (today is my bug day.)
2012-10-13 14:49:11 Garbee: Yea, most major catches are probably already spotted and filed, but I'm double checking those in a few and then working on finding/confirming new bugs and reporting them appropriately.
2012-10-13 14:49:47 Garbee: This way hopefully we can make sure that most bugs are at least filed and we can start focusing on cleaning up the noise made about them.
2012-10-13 14:49:53 Damianz: That's why developers at work hate me, they release something to get feedback, I file 60bug reports :D
2012-10-13 14:50:44 Garbee: Damianz, *cough* Canonical *cough*... but explaining this is for offtopic.
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2012-10-13 14:51:21 Damianz: Canonical is meh, ubuntu keeps changing direction too much
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2012-10-13 14:51:40 GONDO: hi web deveoplers. I have a question ,but it is offtopic :)
2012-10-13 14:51:52 GONDO: u wanna hear it
2012-10-13 14:51:55 fr0zenice: Feel free to drop into #webplatform-offtopic
2012-10-13 14:52:33 GONDO: ok
2012-10-13 14:52:45 GONDO: :)
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2012-10-13 15:29:49 bill__: i wanted to edit the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/div page to reflect w3c standards for lowercase tag names. The only thing it let me edit was the example though
2012-10-13 15:30:18 bill__: anyone know what I might have done wrong? I just look at a preview, didn't save it
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2012-10-13 15:31:46 Garbee: Tag names don't matter anymore to standards.
2012-10-13 15:31:56 Garbee: HTML will take upper or lower now just fine.
2012-10-13 15:32:03 Garbee: But, do make sure your email is registered.
2012-10-13 15:32:19 Damianz: Writing HTML in upper case is just evil
2012-10-13 15:32:23 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2136/how-do-i-edit-a-wiki-page
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2012-10-13 15:32:40 Garbee: Yea, I think it should be lower just for consistancy.
2012-10-13 15:32:45 Garbee: technically though it does not matter.
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2012-10-13 15:35:39 eighty4: Garbee: they might not matter but mixing is horribly ugly
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2012-10-13 15:37:11 Garbee: eighty4, Yea... Have you seen the source for the site itself?
2012-10-13 15:37:17 Garbee: Take a peek sometime.
2012-10-13 15:37:23 Garbee: nasty stuff in there.
2012-10-13 15:37:32 eighty4: Garbee: it's build on WP. I'm not going to open the source :|
2012-10-13 15:37:45 bill__: ah
2012-10-13 15:37:47 Garbee: No, front-end source.
2012-10-13 15:37:47 bill__: they you
2012-10-13 15:37:55 Damianz: Question2Answer makes some ugly HTML
2012-10-13 15:38:08 Garbee: The markup to the pages themselves.  Even on the homepage I have seen cap tags.
2012-10-13 15:38:15 bill__: thank you
2012-10-13 15:38:17 bill__: **
2012-10-13 15:38:33 bill__: @Garbee :0
2012-10-13 15:38:41 Garbee: Oh, not the homepage.
2012-10-13 15:38:44 Garbee: But some others.
2012-10-13 15:38:51 Garbee: Unless the homepage got fixed which I doubt.
2012-10-13 15:38:58 Garbee: I think my mind is just going at this point.
2012-10-13 15:39:03 Garbee: bill__, For what?
2012-10-13 15:39:18 Garbee: I didn't do anything.
2012-10-13 15:39:22 Damianz thinks webplatform really needs a cdn. or assets. because hell assets are being pulled from everywhere for pages
2012-10-13 15:39:25 eighty4: Garbee: All I meant was that the markup is rendered by WP :)
2012-10-13 15:39:41 bill__: mixed tags
2012-10-13 15:39:43 bill__: :P
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2012-10-13 15:43:07 eighty4: "confirmation e-mail" I haven't gotten any :(
2012-10-13 15:43:22 BillC: it took me two trys
2012-10-13 15:43:28 BillC: or just give it a min
2012-10-13 15:43:40 fr0zenice: check your junk folder eighty4
2012-10-13 15:43:44 eighty4: Registered last night. Two tries?
2012-10-13 15:43:51 eighty4: fr0zenice: nothing there either
2012-10-13 15:43:58 fr0zenice: :(
2012-10-13 15:44:15 eighty4: or is it sent from something other than webplatform.org?
2012-10-13 15:44:17 Damianz: I like how people still say check your junk folder, I've never had a junk folder :D
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2012-10-13 15:44:44 fr0zenice: it's from "MediaWiki Mail <noc@webplatform.org>"
2012-10-13 15:44:52 fr0zenice: subject is "WebPlatform Docs e-mail address confirmation"
2012-10-13 15:45:17 eighty4: … it was in the spam folder. How did I not find it the first time.
2012-10-13 15:45:32 fr0zenice: hehe
2012-10-13 15:45:57 eighty4: Who desided to use sendgrid.me?
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2012-10-13 15:46:56 fr0zenice: I guess you'd have to ask Ryan_Lane about that
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2012-10-13 15:48:54 lampe2: hello my friends
2012-10-13 15:49:13 fr0zenice: greetngs
2012-10-13 15:49:15 fr0zenice: +i
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2012-10-13 15:53:24 eighty4: So, would I be terribly out of line if I lowercased the <div>s in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/div ?
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2012-10-13 15:54:58 Garbee: eighty4, Lowercase them all!
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2012-10-13 15:55:25 Garbee: That is the de' facto standard and will end up in our code style guide.  So all the changes now the less we need to do later.
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2012-10-13 16:08:07 BillC: eighty4 did you figure it out
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2012-10-13 16:16:39 plamoni: Uh oh, stackoverflow is down... Now I am stupid again!
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2012-10-13 16:46:15 forgetfulvet: just found the Web Platform website...  It is in it's very early beta?
2012-10-13 16:46:46 Garbee: It isn't even beta.
2012-10-13 16:47:04 Garbee: The notice of it being alpha is on every page in the docs.
2012-10-13 16:47:18 Garbee: The entire site is really alpha, not just the docs.
2012-10-13 16:47:40 Garbee: Contributions are welcome but the backend still has quite a few kinks to work out along with the theme.
2012-10-13 16:49:08 forgetfulvet: duh.. yeah.. looking at it now.. ALPHA.. geez
2012-10-13 16:49:44 Garbee: We may not even have a beta phase.  It could go straight from Alpha to release.
2012-10-13 16:50:01 forgetfulvet: anyhow, I was wondering abou the debate about clearing text, such as the text-indent hack.  You think there will be a standardise way of doing it?
2012-10-13 16:50:04 Garbee: As far as getting to true launch it is still kinda unkown to anyone tbh.
2012-10-13 16:50:40 Garbee: I don't know of that debate or hack at all.  Could you link to some information on them please?
2012-10-13 16:50:52 forgetfulvet: latest used: font: 0/0 a;  text-shadow: none;
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2012-10-13 16:51:57 forgetfulvet: there is just too many.. just search google for text-ident hack
2012-10-13 16:52:16 Garbee: I think if things like that exist then each one probably has its own benefit to use in different situations.
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2012-10-13 16:53:03 Garbee: Since there are multiple *proper* ways to do it too, I don't think a consensus would be reached unless it gets included in something like the HTML5BP or other big projects like it.
2012-10-13 16:53:04 forgetfulvet: old and still used way is text-indent: -9999%;   However, since responsive design is all the rage, it makes for poor coding for mobile
2012-10-13 16:54:18 Garbee: Honestly, throw this into the Q&A section.  I think it would be nice to have plenty of eyes and responses there and documented.
2012-10-13 16:54:29 Garbee: That way we can work on documenting it later and use the conversation as a reference.
2012-10-13 16:54:53 Garbee: I personally have no view on it since I have never done it.  Would be nice to learn more about though.
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2012-10-13 16:55:29 Damianz: 'there are multiple *proper* ways to do it' yet we take so long to decide people invent their own and then deprecate them in years to come... but I won't get into that
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2012-10-13 16:56:57 Garbee: My thing is there are many ways that work, so I don't really see a need to standardize it.  Just find a way that works and go with it.
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2012-10-13 16:57:39 Garbee: I think it would be nice to have one to say "just use this, it works 99.98% of the time or is the most efficient method" and be done with it.
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2012-10-13 17:06:05 arkhi: Garbee: One of the three pillars, in short? :)
2012-10-13 17:06:10 arkhi: (hi there)
2012-10-13 17:07:14 Garbee is lost in the pillar reference.
2012-10-13 17:07:53 arkhi: The pragmatism in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Policy/Pillars
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2012-10-13 17:10:31 Garbee: Ok, I'm lost in reference now.  Exactly which part of the conversation were you referring to?  -Sorry I'm thick right now with people talking around me.
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2012-10-13 17:21:24 arkhi: I understood what you wrote as pure pragmatism, that's all: This works; use this.
2012-10-13 17:21:25 arkhi: No big deal. :)
2012-10-13 17:23:01 eighty4: Damianz: talking IR? what *proper* ways are there to do that? I've actually never seen any
2012-10-13 17:23:46 eighty4: what way is suggested on webplatforms I wonder
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2012-10-13 17:29:16 Benvie: what would be a good way to contribute data materials. I have been refining a library and tool that generates JavaScript friendly JSON from IDL and I think it might be useful here
2012-10-13 17:29:21 Benvie: https://github.com/Benvie/idl-for-javascript/blob/master/json/html5.json
2012-10-13 17:29:24 Benvie: for example
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2012-10-13 17:33:51 Garbee: eighty4, What do you mean by IR?
2012-10-13 17:34:23 eighty4: Garbee: Image replacement. Just read that you were talking negative text-indent.
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2012-10-13 17:40:40 Garbee: Oh, ok.
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2012-10-13 17:40:53 Garbee: I saw that and thought you meant something about InfraRed.
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2012-10-13 17:52:38 eighty4: Garbee: no :) I'm a web developer for me IR means image replacement and nothing else
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2012-10-13 17:54:12 eighty4: evening icaaq and erichynds
2012-10-13 17:54:23 erichynds: good afternoon
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2012-10-13 17:59:21 icaaq: eighty4: hi :)
2012-10-13 18:02:45 eighty4: Is there actually a valid reason to have the "Compatibility" part for elements? Wouldn't it be simpler/better to link to caniuse.com?
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2012-10-13 18:05:45 Unitron: hi
2012-10-13 18:06:08 Unitron: What did you decide about the site?
2012-10-13 18:06:58 Unitron: hey? Any Here?
2012-10-13 18:08:35 Unitron: Where all?
2012-10-13 18:10:02 Charun: Hiding probably
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2012-10-13 18:10:22 Garbee: Unitron, I am here.  Please don't PM without permission.
2012-10-13 18:10:29 Unitron: ok
2012-10-13 18:10:36 Unitron: [22:05] <Unitron> What did you decide about the site?
2012-10-13 18:11:08 Garbee: Unitron, That decision won't be made at least until late next week when we have heard from more people about their thoughts.
2012-10-13 18:11:19 Garbee: We simply need more detailed discussion from both sides at this point.
2012-10-13 18:12:01 Unitron: Opinion of all men will be considered?
2012-10-13 18:12:16 Charun: Is this still the server-side language discussion, or is something else being decided?
2012-10-13 18:13:43 Garbee: Unitron, We are taking considerations from many people, even outside of the community itself.  We simply need more detailed conversation at this point, there is really nothing else to say on the matter at this time.
2012-10-13 18:14:12 Unitron: ok
2012-10-13 18:14:45 Garbee: I am trying to take all sides into account when I make my decision on it.  I am trying to get everyone else to do the same.
2012-10-13 18:15:41 Garbee: It is just taking time since we haven't really heard a good discussion *for* taking the questions.  I do know one person who is writing their thoughts out for us who wants to do it and I am trying to find a few others who want it to join in.
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2012-10-13 18:17:53 Garbee: Wow, wrong button.
2012-10-13 18:19:01 Garbee: Unitron, I am making a tally of what people want.  From what you have said I'm pretty sure your is going for doing normal support.  I'm going to get a rough tally and see if that affects anyone elses decision.
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2012-10-13 18:37:31 eighty4: If interested I'm against more general support. There's already great places for that.
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2012-10-13 18:42:53 Unitron: My opinion is (save ot please): I want on site a lot of information for beginning and pro web-developers (complete courses, full nub->guru courses). How develop sites and games and etc (coding, design, appearance, creating textures, models, music and sounds, creating gameplay and sceneries...). I want courses about HTML5, JS, WebGL,Canvas, CSS, Java, Flash and Unity too, and others. And want in chat full support materials of site
2012-10-13 18:43:31 Garbee: Unitron, I can already say a good portion of that is out of the scope completely.
2012-10-13 18:44:02 Garbee: I will take note and incorporate what is in-scope from it into future discussions.
2012-10-13 18:44:19 Unitron: I think we need to expand horizons
2012-10-13 18:44:40 Garbee: We aren't going to cover flash and java to start.
2012-10-13 18:44:43 Unitron: ok
2012-10-13 18:44:47 Garbee: Those have already been decided on.
2012-10-13 18:44:55 Garbee: Unity, I need to do more research and discuss it.
2012-10-13 18:45:29 Garbee: It is a very fine maze of technology that has been created, we are trying to focus on the core stuff.
2012-10-13 18:45:34 Unitron: but users can post tutorials about Java and Flash?
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2012-10-13 18:46:02 Unitron: on site?
2012-10-13 18:46:17 Garbee: Nope.
2012-10-13 18:46:21 Garbee: Not on those two techs.
2012-10-13 18:46:23 Unitron: why :(
2012-10-13 18:46:30 Garbee: They are out of the scope and will be removed.
2012-10-13 18:46:41 Garbee: They aren't core standards in the first place.
2012-10-13 18:46:55 Garbee: They are proprietary technologies developed by specific companies only.
2012-10-13 18:47:03 Unitron: I do not like
2012-10-13 18:47:40 Unitron: Unity too proprietory :(
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2012-10-13 18:48:29 Garbee: If it is really proprietary then it probably won't be accepted for inclusion.  But, I will still do some more research when I can just to make sure.
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2012-10-13 18:48:53 Unitron: ok
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2012-10-13 18:49:16 Garbee: You need to understand that we are trying to make the documentation as easy to organize and keep updated as possible.  Bringing in so much extra stuff makes it unmanageable.
2012-10-13 18:50:07 Unitron: Why u can say about it? http://int3.github.com/doppio/about.html
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2012-10-13 18:52:48 Unitron: what u can say...
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2012-10-13 18:55:40 Garbee: Nothing.  I have no idea what that is.
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2012-10-13 18:55:59 fr0zenice: I'd say it's out of scope for documentation / tutorials. Maybe worth a mention, somewhere.
2012-10-13 18:56:32 Garbee: We don't need a library roundup that is inclusive in any way.
2012-10-13 18:56:52 Garbee: What we should do is have somewhere where we mention major projects that are highly supported if we are to do it.
2012-10-13 18:57:04 Garbee: I still don't think that would fall under it.
2012-10-13 18:57:59 ravenzz: it doesn't at all :)
2012-10-13 18:58:25 ravenzz: https://github.com/popular/starred
2012-10-13 18:59:28 Unitron: This is needed to run Java-scripts without Java plugin.
2012-10-13 18:59:46 ravenzz: but it is out of topic
2012-10-13 19:00:24 Unitron: Java is "translated" into Javascript.
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2012-10-13 19:00:49 ravenzz: I understood it
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2012-10-13 19:02:57 Unitron: https://github.com/nurv/BicaVM too do it
2012-10-13 19:03:24 ravenzz: but it has nothing to do with documentation and web standards :)
2012-10-13 19:03:53 Unitron: http://www.surf-the-edge.com/2011/11/15/bicavm-jvm-in-javascript-why/
2012-10-13 19:04:04 ravenzz: I am not saying that it could be a valuable and useful project, but it is not related to webplatform.org
2012-10-13 19:04:49 ravenzz: people who is looking for a javascript implementation of the jvm can google it
2012-10-13 19:05:13 fr0zenice: Unitron: As awesome as these may be, it is not part of what webplatform.org is trying to document.
2012-10-13 19:05:59 Unitron: its open alternative to proprietary soft
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2012-10-13 19:07:54 fr0zenice: That's nice and I personally like that idea, but still not a standard WPD is trying to cover.
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2012-10-13 19:10:32 Unitron: thx for answers
2012-10-13 19:10:37 Unitron: bb
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2012-10-13 19:10:46 ravenzz: you're welcome
2012-10-13 19:10:47 fr0zenice: bye
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2012-10-13 19:10:59 Unitron: bb Gabree too
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2012-10-13 19:32:28 HammHetfield: hello people, I'm browsing the wiki and can't seem to find any information related to the various standards/specs/recommendation such as wcag opquast and such
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2012-10-13 19:33:23 HammHetfield: did I miss something, has this topic being omitted on purpose for some reason or is it just not there yet, and in that case where would it be best for me to get started adding stuff ? I'm thinking under Concepts but I'm not sure
2012-10-13 19:34:46 eighty4: HammHetfield: why not include it?
2012-10-13 19:35:12 HammHetfield: eighty4: I'd like to, I'm just checking first to make sure it's not omitted on purpose or if I simply didn't find it
2012-10-13 19:35:21 HammHetfield: if it's just missing, I'll gladly add it :D
2012-10-13 19:35:26 eighty4: HammHetfield: sorry, answered your first line before reading the second :)
2012-10-13 19:35:32 HammHetfield: HA-HA
2012-10-13 19:35:34 HammHetfield: l2read
2012-10-13 19:35:39 HammHetfield: long time no see btw, hi :)
2012-10-13 19:36:32 fr0zenice: never heard of opquast
2012-10-13 19:36:33 eighty4: It is, been rather buzy at work
2012-10-13 19:37:08 HammHetfield: fr0zenice: most people online haven't, unfortunately, it's a french project and for some reason they didn't bother to translate it (or make it easy to translate for willing people)
2012-10-13 19:37:22 eighty4: But to answer your question. I'm not sure if it's been left out, not yet included or what. But hang around and someone will probably know
2012-10-13 19:37:30 Garbee: HammHetfield, What does it do?
2012-10-13 19:37:46 fr0zenice: at least WCAG seems like something that could be included
2012-10-13 19:38:09 fr0zenice: might be a good question for the Q&A
2012-10-13 19:38:24 eighty4: if it's on w3 it should in, no?
2012-10-13 19:39:16 fr0zenice: XHTML2 is on W3, too :p
2012-10-13 19:39:23 HammHetfield: it's a big list of recommendation and guidelines, organized by topics from accessibility to usability, SEO and security, it's really broad, made by a w3c-like structure (just with french-speaking people)
2012-10-13 19:39:41 eighty4: fr0zenice: yes well… that's unfortunate
2012-10-13 19:40:26 HammHetfield: like the #1 item is about alt attributes on images, #4 is about not forcing page refresh or redirect on the client side, #6 about having explicit date formats
2012-10-13 19:41:11 HammHetfield: etc etc very very broad, but it'd be nice to give it some exposure and maybe a place to get it translated since the makers didn't create such place, at least for now
2012-10-13 19:41:35 fr0zenice: I think we don't need to include something, ust because it is on w3 or another steward's site. On the other hand, w3 has some good content. WCAG may be worth adding in some depth.
2012-10-13 19:41:52 fr0zenice: *just
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2012-10-13 19:42:39 paul_irish: HammHetfield: what sort of content do you want to see?
2012-10-13 19:42:58 paul_irish has never heard of opquast
2012-10-13 19:43:16 paul_irish: looks weird.
2012-10-13 19:43:33 HammHetfield: paul_irish: not sure I completely understand the question, I was just a little confused to not see anything about the various standards and guidelines in the wiki
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2012-10-13 19:44:06 paul_irish: the goal of the site is to provide practical information and documentation for web developers
2012-10-13 19:44:34 HammHetfield: well wouldn't a list and description of information they can use practical information ?
2012-10-13 19:44:39 paul_irish: it's not to catalogue various specifications, so that would be why you dont get a listing of the various published specs
2012-10-13 19:45:00 HammHetfield: like "hey if you wonder about accessibility, you should look at the WCAG website"
2012-10-13 19:45:08 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 19:45:17 paul_irish: yes i think that would be great on webplatform
2012-10-13 19:45:38 HammHetfield must be misunderstanding 1 out of 2 sentences
2012-10-13 19:45:42 paul_irish: Here's how to address accessibility. go here, ehre, here, here and try to follow these
2012-10-13 19:46:08 paul_irish: i think the difference is.. the goal is accessibility
2012-10-13 19:46:14 paul_irish: rather than the goal being coverage of wcag
2012-10-13 19:46:27 paul_irish: know what i mean?
2012-10-13 19:47:07 HammHetfield: yes, at the same time, if we had this discussion in a parallel universe where there's already a page about opquast, or any other standard/Recommendation one doesn't know about, I wouldn't have had to explain what it is
2012-10-13 19:47:54 HammHetfield: specs and all that are a big part of frontend devs' lives, at least knowing what X is about or what Y intends to do seems like valuable information
2012-10-13 19:48:21 HammHetfield: I understand if that's out of the scope of the wiki or something, that's exactly why I asked before editing stuff
2012-10-13 19:48:27 paul_irish: i think you and i disagree about how relevant specs are to frontend developers :)
2012-10-13 19:48:42 paul_irish: but anyway
2012-10-13 19:48:48 fr0zenice: I guess one could add a list of specs / other resources (link + 1 sentence summary maybe) to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Accessibility
2012-10-13 19:49:17 ConnorMontgomery: fr0zenice: i like that idea
2012-10-13 19:49:23 paul_irish: ++
2012-10-13 19:49:53 paul_irish: HammHetfield: i'm just shooting for contextualizing relevant documents that are helpful for developers within their goals
2012-10-13 19:50:34 HammHetfield: very well :)
2012-10-13 19:50:48 paul_irish: i think this existing Accessibility page does a great job of highlighting WCAG and WAI within the topic
2012-10-13 19:50:53 paul_irish: and feel free to edit the page
2012-10-13 19:51:01 paul_irish: to point to other useful resources
2012-10-13 19:51:25 HammHetfield: alright so I have another question
2012-10-13 19:51:40 paul_irish: HammHetfield: also ZNC stole your irc real name. how mean
2012-10-13 19:51:54 HammHetfield: just so I can grasp better the content that's expected to be in the wiki
2012-10-13 19:52:12 HammHetfield: in the accessibility article ideas, there's "writing for an accessible web"
2012-10-13 19:52:57 HammHetfield: would it be valuable information to present tools/plugins/libs/whatevers that enable publishers/site builders to write accessible content within CMSes for instance ?
2012-10-13 19:53:20 paul_irish: yesss
2012-10-13 19:53:23 HammHetfield: not always easy to find a CMS that enables one to change the title attr of a link, or even just set alt of an image
2012-10-13 19:53:38 paul_irish: i think that's hugely useful and i dont know where that sort of content is today
2012-10-13 19:53:52 HammHetfield: I looked for it… couldn't find it
2012-10-13 19:53:56 paul_irish: :) ya
2012-10-13 19:54:09 HammHetfield: I see
2012-10-13 19:54:21 HammHetfield: so focus is on to-the-point ready to use information
2012-10-13 19:54:36 HammHetfield: rather that… documenting the ecosystem
2012-10-13 19:54:41 HammHetfield: than*
2012-10-13 19:55:11 eighty4: hammhetfielf: drupal does all that
2012-10-13 19:55:40 HammHetfield: eighty4: that's cool if you get to pick the CMS from the beginning
2012-10-13 19:56:30 Garbee: HammHetfield, Also as far as listing tools go, I'm creating a dev tools section which would be perfect for that kind of content.  It isn't open for regular editing yet though since we still have a few things to work out.
2012-10-13 19:56:50 paul_irish: Garbee: this would be more CMS and js libraries stuff
2012-10-13 19:56:51 Garbee: It should be open for regular editing early next week.
2012-10-13 19:56:57 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 19:57:01 paul_irish: less of tools for being a better developer
2012-10-13 19:57:13 Garbee: Oh, I was referring to his accessibility stuff.
2012-10-13 19:57:18 eighty4: hammhetfield: just in case you were looking for a good cms supporting it :)
2012-10-13 19:57:18 Garbee: Hadn't hit CMS yet in the log.
2012-10-13 19:57:18 paul_irish: yeah i know
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2012-10-13 19:58:41 Garbee: Oh, I see what is being said after re-reading a few times now.
2012-10-13 19:59:30 HammHetfield: so if I understand correctly ( /me really doesn't want to add garbage to the wiki) a page about style guides with a list of the mainstream ones along with short introduction and description of each would be useless, right ?
2012-10-13 20:00:03 Garbee: Style Guides as in?
2012-10-13 20:00:06 Garbee: I have seen many.
2012-10-13 20:00:31 HammHetfield: well yeah, like what are they, what's the point, and a list of the most common ones
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2012-10-13 20:01:00 HammHetfield: there's a page that's prepared for JS libraries
2012-10-13 20:01:37 Garbee: Yea, a page somewhere for code styles would be useful.  The only real question is where.
2012-10-13 20:01:52 HammHetfield: not sure if my questions sound like critique or anything, I'm just asking so I understand better what's valuable and what isn't
2012-10-13 20:02:14 HammHetfield: so I don't waste my time creating something for nothing, and someone's time to check it as garbage
2012-10-13 20:02:14 Garbee: HammHetfield, Yea, we are still trying to figure out the lines as well ourselves tbh.
2012-10-13 20:02:38 HammHetfield: Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript under "Other concepts"
2012-10-13 20:02:57 Garbee: If you are really concerned, write up a quick draft or outline and either throw it into the mailing list or ask us in here and we can give feedback without too much effort being put in up front.
2012-10-13 20:03:27 HammHetfield: yeah I'll do that :)
2012-10-13 20:03:35 Garbee: Style guides aren't quite libraries, *but* they are still super useful to have on projects.
2012-10-13 20:03:44 Garbee: It has even been debated on the HTML5BP to get one.
2012-10-13 20:03:57 Garbee: (By get one I mean a certain file added to tell text editors to enforce it.)
2012-10-13 20:04:23 Garbee: So, that is useful.  I'm thinking it might be best place under the tutorials in some way.
2012-10-13 20:04:53 HammHetfield: "Tutorials -- Step-by-step instructions for building a sample application or demonstrating a feature."
2012-10-13 20:05:11 HammHetfield: doesn't sound like it to me, would probably seem better under...
2012-10-13 20:05:22 HammHetfield: Concepts maybe : "Concepts -- Provides an overview of a feature or API."
2012-10-13 20:05:37 HammHetfield: not really either
2012-10-13 20:05:53 Garbee: Perhaps under programming here have a Style Guide page linked.  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts
2012-10-13 20:06:13 Garbee: It is the concept of how to style code in a uniform way.
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2012-10-13 20:06:21 HammHetfield: true
2012-10-13 20:06:24 Garbee: Code is what we work with in programming.
2012-10-13 20:06:30 Garbee: So I think it fits best there for now.
2012-10-13 20:06:41 Garbee: If later we decide it should go elsewhere, we can just move it with no real problem.
2012-10-13 20:06:47 phwd: On http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts page is there supposed to be a page under "One Web"? I cannot seem to see it
2012-10-13 20:06:48 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 20:06:56 HammHetfield: I'll add that
2012-10-13 20:06:57 Garbee: phwd, No.
2012-10-13 20:07:01 Garbee: I'm confused myself.
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2012-10-13 20:10:52 eighty4: am i wrong in thinking there should be a mention of mobile first on that page as well?
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2012-10-13 20:11:30 HammHetfield: maybe a "DRY" in the programming section as well
2012-10-13 20:11:58 HammHetfield: I know this confused me for a while, until someone finally explained to me what it means
2012-10-13 20:12:15 paul_irish: yeah in concepts/programming or something
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2012-10-13 20:17:17 Garbee: DRY is a very common thing that devs do.  I think it should get a mention somewhere.
2012-10-13 20:18:11 Garbee: Net Tuts has a great article on it.  I might email them and see if they would allow us to copy it in.  Otherwise we can just write our own stuff up for it.
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2012-10-13 20:44:35 alvincrespo: hey everyone
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2012-10-13 20:45:06 alvincrespo: I was curious if anyone had any best practices tips for iphone web development, in particular with how to deal with images?
2012-10-13 20:47:50 HammHetfield: so what do you guys think ? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/style_guides
2012-10-13 20:48:06 HammHetfield doesn't know everything about the subject, far from that
2012-10-13 20:48:06 _cheney: i would link you here alvincrespo but it's not really filled out http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/mediaqueries
2012-10-13 20:48:29 Garbee: HammHetfield, Did you put those footnotes in yourself?
2012-10-13 20:48:39 HammHetfield: you mean the references ? yes
2012-10-13 20:48:55 fr0zenice: he's a pro :)
2012-10-13 20:48:59 Garbee: Apparently.
2012-10-13 20:49:05 HammHetfield: I just RTFM
2012-10-13 20:49:08 Garbee: It threw me off, I thought it was copied.
2012-10-13 20:49:13 fr0zenice: like a pro.
2012-10-13 20:49:18 Garbee: HammHetfield, I do, I'm still too lazy to do proper footnotes.
2012-10-13 20:49:22 fr0zenice: hopefully you stick around HammHetfield
2012-10-13 20:49:33 HammHetfield: haha
2012-10-13 20:49:35 HammHetfield: glad to hear that
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2012-10-13 20:50:07 alvincrespo: ok, sounds good - I'm just curious if there is any information on it - dealing with images?
2012-10-13 20:50:10 HammHetfield: I think I will, seems like the best place to give back to the community
2012-10-13 20:50:16 alvincrespo: ill take a look around
2012-10-13 20:50:25 HammHetfield: alvincrespo: maybe try to be a little more specific about your question
2012-10-13 20:50:28 _cheney: here's a nice article alvincrespo http://css-tricks.com/which-responsive-images-solution-should-you-use/
2012-10-13 20:50:34 HammHetfield: "dealing with images" is really bague
2012-10-13 20:50:36 HammHetfield: vague*
2012-10-13 20:51:08 alvincrespo: Yeah, sorry. I'm just trying to get an overall or broad picture of what people should be aware of and how to deal with these issues.
2012-10-13 20:51:40 fr0zenice: hmm, that "Google HTML/CSS Style Guide" XSL doesn't work in my FF
2012-10-13 20:51:46 alvincrespo: I'm writing about how to manage assets with iphone web apps, and just wanted to get a good feel from the community
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2012-10-13 20:53:19 alvincrespo: @_cheney - thanks, that article is awesome. I should have checked css tricks :)
2012-10-13 20:53:46 _cheney: welcome
2012-10-13 20:54:31 fr0zenice: anyone else getting just text and not a transformed xml @ http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/htmlcssguide.xml in firefox?
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2012-10-13 20:57:29 _cheney: looks the same in chrome & firefox to me
2012-10-13 20:57:49 fr0zenice: hmm
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2012-10-13 20:59:32 HammHetfield: maybe it'd be nice to have some text-transform: capitalize on #firstHeading , looks weird to have lower case page titles
2012-10-13 20:59:46 HammHetfield: just a quick thought
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2012-10-13 21:10:27 fr0zenice: HammHetfield: I converted it to Concept_Page Template, there is now a form when you click edit (don't be afraid of it!). Amongst others there is a field to put a custom page title. If you want that form from the beginning, please use http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:New_Page
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2012-10-13 21:11:26 HammHetfield: fr0zenice: you converted "it" what ?
2012-10-13 21:11:57 fr0zenice: heh, the docs use somthing called semantic forms, that's the form when you click edit now
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2012-10-13 21:12:36 fr0zenice: it makes it easy to tag articles and give them other semantic information, so they can be properly found / automatically listed somewhere
2012-10-13 21:12:46 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 21:13:01 fr0zenice: there are several templates, check the WPD:New_Page link for them
2012-10-13 21:13:03 HammHetfield: but there's still the lower case title, looks weird to me
2012-10-13 21:13:04 HammHetfield: http://d.pr/i/yh6B
2012-10-13 21:13:15 HammHetfield: the title with yellow border-bottom
2012-10-13 21:13:28 fr0zenice: yeah that's a known 'bug'
2012-10-13 21:13:33 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 21:13:44 HammHetfield: I'll try to stop thinking about it until it's fixed then :D
2012-10-13 21:14:47 HammHetfield: so pages shouldn't be created by just linking to them and then filling in the content ?
2012-10-13 21:14:47 fr0zenice: feel free to check out the form, it can get more complicated with other templates, for example html elements have a compatibility table that you cann fill out in the form
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2012-10-13 21:15:06 HammHetfield: I should use the New_Page thing ?
2012-10-13 21:15:18 fr0zenice: yes
2012-10-13 21:15:25 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-13 21:15:30 fr0zenice: ideally we have every article using such a template
2012-10-13 21:16:42 fr0zenice: well, I guess one exception is the WPD: namespace, there the templates aren't used
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2012-10-13 21:17:07 fr0zenice: it's about meta-stuff, so semantic information makes no sense there
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2012-10-13 21:18:25 fr0zenice: if you run into problems whilst editing, feel free to ask, there are still some bugs that need to be ironed out, too :)
2012-10-13 21:18:38 HammHetfield: so if I wanted to make a page about Content Research to go in Concepts/Information Architecture I should create a Concept Page, right ?
2012-10-13 21:18:59 HammHetfield: according to the url, looks like it yeah
2012-10-13 21:19:08 fr0zenice: yeah
2012-10-13 21:19:38 fr0zenice: the most tempaltes seem to be for API references
2012-10-13 21:19:41 fr0zenice: *templates
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2012-10-13 21:35:50 fabuloso_: it looks fine
2012-10-13 21:36:10 fabuloso_: maybe put examples
2012-10-13 21:36:25 fabuloso_: under naming conventions to make it dead obvious
2012-10-13 21:36:30 fabuloso_: though it is already...heh
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2012-10-13 21:42:28 HammHetfield: fabuloso_: I tried to keep it short, expecting other languages and stuff, would make the page quite lengthy to include an example long enough to show the differences and stuff
2012-10-13 21:43:08 HammHetfield: but it's not my page, I just started it, anyone's free to add that
2012-10-13 21:43:12 Garbee: Yea, we shouldn't need examples.  Just one.
2012-10-13 21:43:13 fabuloso_: member:identifier:hammhetfield gotcha
2012-10-13 21:43:29 Garbee: We just need one example to display the difference in legibility of code.
2012-10-13 21:43:41 Garbee: Beyond that it is just wasting space imho.
2012-10-13 21:43:50 fabuloso_: i figured that too @garbee
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2012-10-13 21:44:02 fabuloso_: looking good then
2012-10-13 21:44:11 Garbee: We actually need to come up with a style guide for the Docs code samples.
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2012-10-13 21:44:17 HammHetfield: haha
2012-10-13 21:44:22 HammHetfield: pick one from the page :p
2012-10-13 21:44:39 Garbee: Yea, we are going to look into a few well known ones and figure something out.
2012-10-13 21:45:09 Garbee: I was reading over the style guide for the wiki itself and noticed no code style guidelines.
2012-10-13 21:45:22 Garbee: Then you brought it up just a while ago.
2012-10-13 21:45:39 Garbee: So I'm probably going to make that a higher priority for myself to try and get some organized.
2012-10-13 21:45:43 HammHetfield: now I'm wondering if smacss, oocss, bemcss, yandex and all that should be in the style guide
2012-10-13 21:45:55 Garbee: smacss?  WTF?
2012-10-13 21:46:07 HammHetfield feels like an alien
2012-10-13 21:46:19 HammHetfield: nobody knows opquast, smacss
2012-10-13 21:46:24 eighty4: HammHetfield: if including that the step to less scss compass isn't big
2012-10-13 21:46:30 Garbee: I'm not sure if we want to get in that level of detail with stuff outside of tutorials.  But it is worth discussing.
2012-10-13 21:47:14 eighty4: less have greatly speed up my css writing
2012-10-13 21:47:27 Garbee: LESS is awesome.
2012-10-13 21:47:52 HammHetfield: switched to scss few weeks ago
2012-10-13 21:47:54 HammHetfield: not bad either
2012-10-13 21:47:56 Garbee: I think even docing that though is out of scope.  Might be worth having a page listing known preprocessors though.
2012-10-13 21:48:09 Garbee: For advanced devs to reference.
2012-10-13 21:48:19 Garbee: Oh, or we could make it a sub-part of the Dev Tools...
2012-10-13 21:48:22 HammHetfield: going to make the DB explode with the JS section
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2012-10-13 21:48:31 eighty4: :)
2012-10-13 21:48:47 Garbee: Just make sure it is raw JS and not using any frameworks.
2012-10-13 21:48:50 HammHetfield: from Go to Opa, that new one from microsoft, coffee script,
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2012-10-13 21:48:59 HammHetfield: and meteor, and future ones
2012-10-13 21:49:05 HammHetfield: would be huuuuuuuuuge
2012-10-13 21:49:06 Garbee: HammHetfield, What JS style do you prefer to do your stuff in?
2012-10-13 21:49:09 fabuloso_: yea..scss and the preprocessor looks tempting..hopefully add it the workflow man
2012-10-13 21:49:27 Garbee: fabuloso_, Workflow for what?
2012-10-13 21:49:44 fabuloso_: for using scss and css pre processors
2012-10-13 21:49:53 HammHetfield: Garbee: I have yet to have a definitive opinion on the topic
2012-10-13 21:49:55 fabuloso_: for web design work
2012-10-13 21:50:00 Garbee: Oh ok.
2012-10-13 21:50:08 Garbee: For a sec I thought you meant a workflow section on the Docs.
2012-10-13 21:50:14 fabuloso_: sorry man..
2012-10-13 21:50:17 HammHetfield: I got my "own" convention  over time, and discovered style guides just recently
2012-10-13 21:50:27 HammHetfield is a spec nerd
2012-10-13 21:50:27 Garbee: fabuloso_, It is fine.  I was just confused.
2012-10-13 21:50:34 fabuloso_: gotcha
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2012-10-13 21:51:01 Garbee: HammHetfield, Paul mentioned this one to me earlier:   https://github.com/rwldrn/idiomatic.js/
2012-10-13 21:51:11 fr0zenice: that one is quire lengthy
2012-10-13 21:51:14 fr0zenice: *quite
2012-10-13 21:51:23 HammHetfield: first one of the list of the page I started about style guides :p
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2012-10-13 21:51:45 HammHetfield: but, unlike addy osmani, I find it difficult to understand
2012-10-13 21:52:05 Garbee: Yea, any style guide we do would need to be watered down I think.
2012-10-13 21:52:08 HammHetfield: I'd rather see "text-based" rules with examples, rather than examples with Good/Bad comments
2012-10-13 21:52:36 Garbee: Yea, it would be text based with some demo snippets to show the layout.
2012-10-13 21:52:43 fr0zenice: the jQuery one looks mostly like idiomatic.js, but is much shorter
2012-10-13 21:52:51 Garbee: Doing it all in code/comments is a little extreme.
2012-10-13 21:52:52 HammHetfield: and better explained IMO
2012-10-13 21:53:11 HammHetfield: I'd go with jQuery's
2012-10-13 21:53:20 HammHetfield: if I had to pick some temporary one right now
2012-10-13 21:53:34 fr0zenice: would say so, too
2012-10-13 21:53:36 Garbee: Then go with that, but don't actually code in jquery. ;)
2012-10-13 21:53:41 HammHetfield: lol
2012-10-13 21:53:43 fr0zenice: ^^
2012-10-13 21:53:46 HammHetfield: <flamewar>
2012-10-13 21:53:50 HammHetfield: keep going
2012-10-13 21:53:56 Garbee: Oh, there is no flamewar, it is just done.
2012-10-13 21:54:09 eighty4 slowly backs away
2012-10-13 21:54:09 HammHetfield: disappointing but alright
2012-10-13 21:54:14 HammHetfield: </flamewar>
2012-10-13 21:54:23 Garbee: They apparently are having some talk if jquery is going to have a place in the docs.  I have seen some stuff relating to it floating around.
2012-10-13 21:55:01 Garbee: I'm personally going to push for it not to happen actually if it comes up for discussion from what I'm thinking at this moment.
2012-10-13 21:55:02 HammHetfield: if documenting one, all libs would eventually be documented at some point
2012-10-13 21:55:09 Garbee: Exactly.
2012-10-13 21:55:17 HammHetfield: not sure that'd really be useful
2012-10-13 21:55:17 Garbee: I don't want to fall into that kind of a thing.
2012-10-13 21:55:26 HammHetfield: maybe just keep it to 1-page tutorials
2012-10-13 21:55:32 Garbee: jQuery should be treated like every other framework.  No major documentation on WPD on it.
2012-10-13 21:55:38 HammHetfield: kind of like the TodoMVC thing
2012-10-13 21:55:48 HammHetfield: but in getting-started format instead of example
2012-10-13 21:55:57 HammHetfield: that could be nice, but um… yeah
2012-10-13 21:56:14 Garbee: Nah.  It would just be in a list of trusted JS frameworks imo.  Just like anything else would be treated.
2012-10-13 21:56:25 HammHetfield: if someone decides to document dojo or yui… -_-"
2012-10-13 21:56:49 HammHetfield: that'd make lengthy pages, mostly just copy-paste from official docs
2012-10-13 21:56:55 eighty4: it's fairly good documentet on their site
2012-10-13 21:57:12 eighty4: and any attempt at doing it "better" should be done on their site
2012-10-13 21:57:22 HammHetfield: well the purpose of the website is to have 1 place for all documentation
2012-10-13 21:57:22 Garbee: HammHetfield, Copy and paste is strong words.  Use with very much caution.
2012-10-13 21:57:29 Garbee: are strong words*
2012-10-13 21:57:50 HammHetfield: so it would kind of make sense to have such a mainstream framework documented there...
2012-10-13 21:57:59 eighty4: HammHetfield: right, but doing it for JS would be one thing.
2012-10-13 21:58:02 HammHetfield: at the same time… well jQuery has its own doc...
2012-10-13 21:58:15 Garbee: I wouldn't go as far as all documentation.
2012-10-13 21:59:01 fr0zenice: 1 place for all documentation for the standards, not the libraries
2012-10-13 21:59:32 HammHetfield: good point
2012-10-13 21:59:34 Garbee: Paul stated earlier it is one place "to provide practical information and documentation for web developers."  I think yes jQuery fits into this for most devs, but some do prefer other frameworks.
2012-10-13 21:59:48 Garbee: Docing one just means inviting others.
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2012-10-13 22:00:07 Garbee: Just like docing server-side tech will get us with an unmanageable mess, I think libraries could cause the same effect.
2012-10-13 22:00:40 HammHetfield: now I wonder why there is a Information Architecture section in the Concepts page
2012-10-13 22:00:42 fr0zenice: what fits is the general notion, that there are libraries to make your life easier, with a list
2012-10-13 22:01:03 HammHetfield: like… doesn't really think it's practical information and doc for web developers
2012-10-13 22:02:19 Garbee: fr0zenice, Yea.  Honestly, I'm thinking it might serve best as a subsection or sub-page of the Dev Tools.
2012-10-13 22:02:34 Garbee: Since they are things Devs use to make their (our) lives easier.
2012-10-13 22:03:19 fr0zenice: I guess they can be viewed as "tools", yeah.
2012-10-13 22:03:24 eighty4: but where to draw that line? If LESS might be included, shouldn't sublime text 2 also be included?
2012-10-13 22:03:32 eighty4: or at least xdebug
2012-10-13 22:03:54 HammHetfield: yeah a dev tools could easily list preprocessors, softwares, online services
2012-10-13 22:04:05 Garbee: I'd say they can fall under tools since it is something that aids you.  That is exactly what a tool does.
2012-10-13 22:04:22 Garbee: the fact that it is a library or preprocessor is just getting into the specific categorization.
2012-10-13 22:04:30 fr0zenice: right
2012-10-13 22:04:52 Garbee: I'm going to mock the page up and shoot out to the Mailing List asking for more input on it before it is opened for public editing.
2012-10-13 22:04:58 eighty4: right, but the section would get overwhelmingly large
2012-10-13 22:05:10 Garbee: Just to figure out what the exact scope of the section should be.
2012-10-13 22:05:23 Garbee: eighty4, I got tricks for handling that.
2012-10-13 22:05:25 HammHetfield: at the same time, I'd expect content to get more and more precise/specific as people start participating
2012-10-13 22:05:42 eighty4: HammHetfield: true
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2012-10-13 22:06:12 eighty4: I'd love a section about sublime text 2 packages :)
2012-10-13 22:06:15 Garbee: HammHetfield, That is just it.  The DevTools section is just a general overview of *widely* supported tools.  It will also go into details and specific tutorials on using developer tools in a browser (such as Google Chrome and Firefox.)
2012-10-13 22:06:16 HammHetfield: once JS APIs are covered, CSS & html specs are covered… either it'll just be updating, or it'll become a huge specific wikipédia with information about everything
2012-10-13 22:06:26 Garbee: eighty4, No.  That is *way* out of scope.
2012-10-13 22:06:34 Garbee: But, things are in the works on that front...
2012-10-13 22:06:40 eighty4: :)
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2012-10-13 22:06:48 Garbee: (just somewhere else.  More details in a few weeks.)
2012-10-13 22:07:23 fr0zenice: HammHetfield: there's still /tutorials :)
2012-10-13 22:07:52 HammHetfield: for instance, I didn't notice any section about IE bugs and fixes
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2012-10-13 22:08:50 HammHetfield: at least to me, that totally qualifies as practical documentation
2012-10-13 22:08:53 fr0zenice: some of those are in compatibility notes, like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p#Compatibility_Notes
2012-10-13 22:09:02 HammHetfield: especially stuff I have a hard time finding when I need them
2012-10-13 22:09:46 HammHetfield: stuff like hasLayout or the fixed line-height for buttons in FF etc etc
2012-10-13 22:09:59 HammHetfield: all these quirks and oddities of browsers
2012-10-13 22:10:10 Garbee: Some have even expressed the thought that once it is all documented, the site could get involved in standards creation.
2012-10-13 22:10:17 Garbee: That is well into the future though.
2012-10-13 22:10:27 fr0zenice: Web 3.0 ^^
2012-10-13 22:10:37 Garbee: HammHetfield, They are trying to document oddities like that.
2012-10-13 22:10:43 Garbee: Like in HTML for the P element.
2012-10-13 22:10:53 Garbee: It has a block pointing out an IE8 quirk with tables.
2012-10-13 22:11:06 HammHetfield: don't know if that's planned, but it'd be awesome to have some kind of platform allowing people to create tests
2012-10-13 22:11:16 Garbee: HammHetfield, You mean like jsfiddle?
2012-10-13 22:11:22 HammHetfield: Garbee: no
2012-10-13 22:11:35 HammHetfield: it's an idea I had a while ago to make some community-generated caniuse
2012-10-13 22:11:39 fr0zenice: Garbee: I already wrote that :D
2012-10-13 22:11:56 Garbee: HammHetfield, I'm not sure I understand the "tests" you would want.
2012-10-13 22:12:01 HammHetfield: so I could create a test with markup + a screenshot of what it's supposed to look like
2012-10-13 22:12:06 Garbee: fr0zenice, Wrote what?
2012-10-13 22:12:13 fr0zenice: the P IE quirk
2012-10-13 22:12:22 Garbee: Oh.  I know, it was an awesome addition.
2012-10-13 22:12:25 HammHetfield: then anybody can open that test page and click a button to say if it's behaving as expected in their browser
2012-10-13 22:12:49 Garbee: HammHetfield, Ah things like that.
2012-10-13 22:12:50 HammHetfield: kind of like unit testing, except it's based on user input
2012-10-13 22:13:19 fr0zenice: crowd testing :o
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2012-10-13 22:13:30 HammHetfield: I especially thought about that for compatibility for email clients and mobile phones/browsers
2012-10-13 22:13:45 Garbee: HammHetfield, That would be quite complicated if even possible.
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2012-10-13 22:13:59 HammHetfield: those are just impossible to test for a limited set of people, and anybody willing to contribute would be able to fire up a page, and say whether or not it works properly
2012-10-13 22:14:15 HammHetfield: from their phone, by email, in their browser, in IE or whatever
2012-10-13 22:14:27 Garbee: Well, we could figure out a way to do some PHP to pass information to the test page.
2012-10-13 22:14:40 Garbee: Flexbox is something that has caught my eye for docing too...
2012-10-13 22:15:07 HammHetfield: or you can just pre-fill some form based on UA and let user change them if needed
2012-10-13 22:15:14 eighty4: HammHetfield: sounds doable if I understand what you want
2012-10-13 22:15:22 HammHetfield: eighty4: oh yeah it is doable
2012-10-13 22:15:29 ravenzz: do it then
2012-10-13 22:15:36 HammHetfield: only reason I didn't do it myself already is that I wouldn't have any community to contribute
2012-10-13 22:15:48 HammHetfield: so I'd be doing it all by myself, so the platform itself becomes moot
2012-10-13 22:15:49 ravenzz: github it there for you
2012-10-13 22:16:17 HammHetfield: still not the problem
2012-10-13 22:16:23 Garbee: Well, the problem is passing things between subdomains.
2012-10-13 22:16:26 Garbee: I think.
2012-10-13 22:16:36 eighty4: Garbee: not sure I follow.
2012-10-13 22:16:40 HammHetfield: me neither...
2012-10-13 22:16:45 eighty4: why would subdomains be a problem?
2012-10-13 22:16:48 Garbee: You would need to pass content from within mediawiki based on that input and then send it over to a subdomain that has no direct connection to the mediawiki install.
2012-10-13 22:17:10 Garbee: I think I'm overthinking the solution.
2012-10-13 22:17:19 eighty4: still not following at all :/
2012-10-13 22:17:22 Garbee: ^^for doing group testing like that from within WPD.
2012-10-13 22:17:23 HammHetfield: does mediawiki support frames ?
2012-10-13 22:17:46 Garbee: It should support them.
2012-10-13 22:17:54 HammHetfield: then tests could be done from anywhere/any website and be included in there
2012-10-13 22:18:00 Garbee: I think there are security concerns in this case though.
2012-10-13 22:18:07 eighty4: Garbee: right you're talking about implementing it direktly into WPD. But that can't be a problem.
2012-10-13 22:18:14 eighty4: it must be solvable
2012-10-13 22:18:22 HammHetfield: of course it is :D
2012-10-13 22:18:25 Garbee: eighty4, Yea.  I think I'm just overthinking it.
2012-10-13 22:18:53 eighty4: If HammHetfield (possibly with help) coded it someone would be able to include it.
2012-10-13 22:19:07 HammHetfield: eighty4: yeah that's what it looks like
2012-10-13 22:19:41 HammHetfield: crowd testing is probably the best definition for it
2012-10-13 22:19:52 HammHetfield: I'll just give it a go
2012-10-13 22:19:59 Garbee: Nah.  Crowdsourcing a test.
2012-10-13 22:20:07 eighty4: I'm thinking "image" <--- this is what it should look like. "html" <--- is it looking like this, Possibility to overlay the image. And such futures.
2012-10-13 22:20:08 HammHetfield: right
2012-10-13 22:20:19 fr0zenice: there's already "crowdsource testing"
2012-10-13 22:20:22 HammHetfield: eighty4: yeah, doesn't need to be any simpler
2012-10-13 22:20:40 Garbee: See, I see stuff like that and I can only think it will end up leading to doing normal support which most people seem to not want to do here.
2012-10-13 22:20:56 eighty4: HammHetfield: Possibliy with the option to upload your result?
2012-10-13 22:21:27 HammHetfield: then a simple yes/no buttons, and ability to change your browser/device information
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2012-10-13 22:21:48 HammHetfield: Garbee: normal support to what ?
2012-10-13 22:21:49 eighty4: might be a bit OT atm :/. But I'd love to have that at work.
2012-10-13 22:22:07 Garbee: I think changing browser/device info wouldn't be needed.  It does nothing unless you are asking for device specific content.
2012-10-13 22:22:16 Garbee: The rendering is still done on the same engine as the browser.
2012-10-13 22:22:31 Garbee: So you really gain nothing with that type of system for testing an engine.
2012-10-13 22:22:44 Garbee: HammHetfield, Normal support for just any old issue people seem to have.
2012-10-13 22:23:13 eighty4: HammHetfield: don't forget to include browser info when people submit their yes/no
2012-10-13 22:23:20 Garbee: I think I need to see a prototype to really understand it thought.  All I'm thinking is a jsfiddle clone at this point.
2012-10-13 22:23:31 HammHetfield: Garbee: faaaaar from that
2012-10-13 22:23:37 Garbee: With added features to simply submit output.
2012-10-13 22:23:55 HammHetfield: Garbee: I'll work on a prototype
2012-10-13 22:24:04 ravenzz: actually you could build it on top of jsfiddle I think, the user uploads the image and provide the jsfiddle link
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2012-10-13 22:24:27 eighty4: good evening Ordona
2012-10-13 22:24:28 ravenzz: you will embed the full screen version of the fiddle
2012-10-13 22:24:29 HammHetfield: meh
2012-10-13 22:24:32 ravenzz: + image
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2012-10-13 22:24:38 Ordona: Evening eighty4
2012-10-13 22:24:46 fr0zenice: I guess uploading a image adds too much complexity
2012-10-13 22:24:59 Garbee: HammHetfield, Ok, you want to dynamically give markup/styles/js to a user to run and then submit their output.  jsfiddle does *exactly* that, except the image upload part.
2012-10-13 22:25:14 HammHetfield: Garbee: don't want them to submit their output
2012-10-13 22:25:18 Garbee: er, output submission.  in this case a grab of the viewport.
2012-10-13 22:25:25 HammHetfield: I just want them to say whether or not what they see is what they should see
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2012-10-13 22:25:43 Garbee: HammHetfield, Then this is really just replicating jsfiddle.
2012-10-13 22:25:53 Garbee: And I also think I have seen this kind of stuff before.
2012-10-13 22:25:55 HammHetfield: if so, then it's working properly, if not, then we store that feature X is broken on Y setup
2012-10-13 22:26:01 HammHetfield: nothing like jsfiddle
2012-10-13 22:26:13 Garbee: HammHetfield, No. Won't really be useful.
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2012-10-13 22:26:22 Garbee: People can have plugins that affect things.
2012-10-13 22:26:36 HammHetfield: like <span style="color: red;">Some text</span> and an image of "some text" written in red
2012-10-13 22:26:36 Garbee: So you would need to check for plugins and DB those as well, otherwise, the entire setup is moot.
2012-10-13 22:26:38 fr0zenice: throw in some statistical algorithms
2012-10-13 22:26:41 ravenzz: fr0zenice <HammHetfield> so I could create a test with markup + a screenshot of what it's supposed to look like ?
2012-10-13 22:26:55 HammHetfield: and if it doesn't look like that, then there's something broken
2012-10-13 22:27:04 Garbee: OK hold up.
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2012-10-13 22:27:12 Garbee: Lets move this to #webplatform-offtopic
2012-10-13 22:27:17 fr0zenice: good plan ^^
2012-10-13 22:27:44 fr0zenice: and yes ravenzz, I think
2012-10-13 22:29:58 ravenzz: that's pretty easy to implement, plus people can still write testcases on jsfiddle which is the most important thing
2012-10-13 22:30:40 fr0zenice: feel free to join us in #webplatform-offtopic
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2012-10-13 22:32:47 ravenzz: fr0zenice next time :) I have to go
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2012-10-13 23:05:33 znowi: check out the logo on this page :) http://visualsupply.co/vscokeys
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2012-10-13 23:06:45 Garbee: so?
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2012-10-13 23:09:00 znowi: thought it was funny how it matches the webplatform
2012-10-13 23:09:33 paul_irish: ConnorMontgomery: wanna do anything for MWTF this year?
2012-10-13 23:11:13 ConnorMontgomery: paul_irish yes!
2012-10-13 23:11:29 Garbee: znowi, Probably could have been done by the same company.
2012-10-13 23:11:45 Garbee: Wait, no...
2012-10-13 23:11:54 Garbee: meh, whatever.  The logo isn't important.
2012-10-13 23:12:55 ConnorMontgomery: paul_irish anything in particular in mind?
2012-10-13 23:13:05 paul_irish: ConnorMontgomery: nope :)
2012-10-13 23:13:19 Garbee: What is MWTF?
2012-10-13 23:13:25 paul_irish: http://movethewebforward.org/
2012-10-13 23:13:29 ConnorMontgomery: *MTWF
2012-10-13 23:14:09 Garbee: Oh that.
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2012-10-13 23:15:02 Garbee: Updating "Dig Deep" to include helping out on webplatform.org might not be a bad idea...
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2012-10-13 23:15:11 ConnorMontgomery: I'm on it
2012-10-13 23:15:21 Garbee: Thank you! :D
2012-10-13 23:15:47 ConnorMontgomery: :)
2012-10-13 23:16:10 Garbee: I know I could do a PR but I'm just 1) lazy, 2) busy.
2012-10-13 23:16:20 ConnorMontgomery: no worries at all
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2012-10-13 23:18:02 Garbee: Also, we need more support for Flexbox.  But I think that is out of what MTWF can do.
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2012-10-13 23:46:51 Garbee: Great question just got approved (sorry, didn't think to check the mod filter.)  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2195/what-is-the-best-way-to-practice-html-coding
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2012-10-13 23:48:29 pzich: I'd say your best bet is by trying to make a particular type of page, maybe by trying to reproduce someone elses?
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2012-10-13 23:49:14 paul_irish: support for new flexbox is now in all browsers
2012-10-13 23:49:19 paul_irish: all being ie10+
2012-10-13 23:49:35 Garbee: Um, Chrome and Firefox have flex support?
2012-10-13 23:49:45 paul_irish: they had it first
2012-10-13 23:49:57 pzich: yeah, I've definitely used it in Chrome
2012-10-13 23:49:57 Garbee: I know IE had it first.  But didn't know the others have gotten it.
2012-10-13 23:50:05 Garbee: Ok then, cool
2012-10-13 23:50:11 Garbee: I need to learn flexbox more.
2012-10-13 23:50:14 Garbee: It looks so cool.
2012-10-13 23:50:15 paul_irish: IE had grid in IE10 platform preview X first
2012-10-13 23:50:32 Garbee: Plus I love the experimental position: sticky; rule. ;)
2012-10-13 23:50:33 paul_irish: the impl for new flexbox was in chrome before it was anywhere else
2012-10-13 23:51:03 Garbee: Nice.  Then I need to make a note to play with it and document my findings.
2012-10-13 23:51:31 Garbee: I really like the look of that system over using the current grid structures... Perhaps even a Bootstrap port to use Flexbox would be in order?
2012-10-13 23:51:40 Garbee: But, that is getting pretty offtopic.
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2012-10-14 00:01:40 Garbee: Is anyone or do you know anyone who is working on the accessibility documentation?
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2012-10-14 00:19:08 Ryan_Lane: I've pushed out a new robots.txt to disallow bots from crawling /w/
2012-10-14 00:19:12 Ryan_Lane: on docs
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2012-10-14 00:19:36 Ryan_Lane: it's not content, so there's no reason bots should crawl it
2012-10-14 00:19:44 Garbee: Ah ok.  Thanks for explaining.
2012-10-14 00:19:50 Garbee: I was just about to ask.
2012-10-14 00:19:52 Ryan_Lane: this is a normal thing for mediawiki, so it shouldn't affect content crawling
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2012-10-14 00:20:12 Ryan_Lane: we're getting a ton of uncached hits because of it
2012-10-14 00:20:54 Ryan_Lane: when /w/ isn't blocked, it also allows bots to crawl history
2012-10-14 00:20:55 Garbee: Should it also be set to not let them crawl the user space too?  If they can that could save some hits.
2012-10-14 00:20:57 Ryan_Lane: and that's insane :)
2012-10-14 00:21:04 Ryan_Lane: no worries about that
2012-10-14 00:21:07 Ryan_Lane: that's cached
2012-10-14 00:21:31 Ryan_Lane: we actually have a shit-ton of uncached pages in content space
2012-10-14 00:21:31 Garbee: Yea, speaking of cache I hope you got the email from frozenice.
2012-10-14 00:21:42 fr0zenice: just talked to him
2012-10-14 00:21:46 Garbee: Ah ok.
2012-10-14 00:21:52 Ryan_Lane: I responded to the Q2A question
2012-10-14 00:22:05 Ryan_Lane: we have a ton of uncached pages due to a special page inclusion in the content
2012-10-14 00:22:09 Garbee: Thanks for saying that.  It reminded me to check email.
2012-10-14 00:22:10 Ryan_Lane: we noticed this on launch day
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2012-10-14 00:22:19 Ryan_Lane: in fact, almost all of our content pages aren't cacheable
2012-10-14 00:22:22 Ryan_Lane: that needs to get fixed
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2012-10-14 00:22:47 Garbee: How would that be approached?
2012-10-14 00:23:20 Ryan_Lane: {{Special:PrefixIndex}} <— we need to find a replacement for what that is doing
2012-10-14 00:23:33 Ryan_Lane: and it needs to be changed on any page it's used on
2012-10-14 00:23:42 Ryan_Lane: which is most of them
2012-10-14 00:24:02 Ryan_Lane: of course, that won't help for logged-in users
2012-10-14 00:24:09 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki needs improvements for that
2012-10-14 00:24:51 Ryan_Lane: specifically, same html should be delivered to anons and logged-in users
2012-10-14 00:24:58 Ryan_Lane: and skin changes should be handled by ESI
2012-10-14 00:25:39 Ryan_Lane: or if we don't care about users who don't have JS enabled, we could handle the skin changes using javascript
2012-10-14 00:26:20 Garbee: Uh, what does ESI mean in this context?
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2012-10-14 00:26:44 Ryan_Lane: edge side includes
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2012-10-14 00:27:10 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki would send out the same HTML, which would have ESI markup
2012-10-14 00:27:23 Ryan_Lane: the frontend cache would replace those with calls to the backend
2012-10-14 00:28:11 Ryan_Lane: taking the JS approach, we'd send the same HTML and we'd replace divs/spans with the appropriate content
2012-10-14 00:28:30 Ryan_Lane: the goal being that we'd always serve from frontend cache, which is *way* faster
2012-10-14 00:28:35 Garbee: I think down the road once the theme is more ironed out we could leverage browser-side caching more.  But with the current state of flux in development I'm with not focusing on it just yet.
2012-10-14 00:28:52 Ryan_Lane: browser side cache isn't going to help a ton
2012-10-14 00:29:00 Garbee: I'd really think to not go with a JS approach due to possible performance issues client-side.
2012-10-14 00:29:23 Ryan_Lane: well, the JS approach wouldn't have a lot of performance problems
2012-10-14 00:29:38 Ryan_Lane: basically, it would be a small amount of JS that makes AJAX calls to pull the personalized content
2012-10-14 00:29:51 Ryan_Lane: it can be stored in local storage when it's called so it only needs to happen once
2012-10-14 00:30:02 Garbee: Well, considering we are targeting developers and we are (hopefully) trusted to run JS, I don't see an issue with going that route personally.
2012-10-14 00:30:11 Ryan_Lane: agreed
2012-10-14 00:30:19 Ryan_Lane: it wouldn't help upstream a lot, but it would work for us
2012-10-14 00:30:26 Ryan_Lane: and all we'd need to do for that is modify our skin
2012-10-14 00:30:49 Garbee: Although, I would still open that up for discussion in the Mailing List in case anyone else thinks on it more than I am at this time.
2012-10-14 00:30:58 Ryan_Lane: we'd also need to modify our frontend cache settings to not pass when login cookies are detected
2012-10-14 00:31:14 Ryan_Lane: but that would have a major impact on performance
2012-10-14 00:32:33 Ryan_Lane: for sure, though, the {{Special:PrefixIndex}} issue needs to be solved
2012-10-14 00:32:43 Ryan_Lane: it affects logged-in users and anons
2012-10-14 00:34:24 Garbee: ugh.
2012-10-14 00:34:48 Garbee: More and more I think a custom system would have been the way to go.  While taking longer to dev would have been robust and exact to the needs of the system.
2012-10-14 00:34:58 Ryan_Lane: no way
2012-10-14 00:35:38 Ryan_Lane: the project is about writing documentation
2012-10-14 00:35:47 Garbee: Yea, not making a CMS.
2012-10-14 00:35:59 Ryan_Lane: mediawiki is heavily used for this, and there's a lot of extensions written
2012-10-14 00:36:30 Ryan_Lane: just look at the number of extensions we're using: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Version
2012-10-14 00:36:31 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-14 00:36:37 Garbee: Although I have noticed lately that Q2A is letting me stay myself.  Anyone know if the coookie issues have been touched lately?
2012-10-14 00:36:47 Ryan_Lane: dunno. SSO is hard
2012-10-14 00:37:00 Ryan_Lane: honestly web identity in general fucking sucks
2012-10-14 00:37:10 Garbee: I still don't get that gift stuff.  It really makes no sense to have to me.
2012-10-14 00:37:21 Ryan_Lane: gift stuff?
2012-10-14 00:37:28 Ryan_Lane: is this something like wikilove?
2012-10-14 00:37:30 Garbee: Yea, the plugins.  GiftGive.
2012-10-14 00:37:34 Garbee: GiftManagerLogo
2012-10-14 00:37:39 Garbee: GiftManager
2012-10-14 00:37:41 Ryan_Lane: wait. let me find you an article
2012-10-14 00:37:44 Garbee: Ties into the fiends/foe system.
2012-10-14 00:37:58 fr0zenice: I think I figured the Comments plugin out :D
2012-10-14 00:38:04 Ryan_Lane: we shouldn't have foes
2012-10-14 00:38:07 paul_irish thinks we should delete superfluous wiki content comments.
2012-10-14 00:38:14 paul_irish: broken windows effect and all that.
2012-10-14 00:38:28 Ryan_Lane: there's a very, very good reason to have gifts
2012-10-14 00:38:46 Garbee: I agree with paul on the comments.
2012-10-14 00:38:58 Garbee: I see one on the main page's comment area just saying " nice site guys "
2012-10-14 00:39:10 Garbee: But I don't see a way for me to admin those...
2012-10-14 00:39:12 Ryan_Lane: bleh. I can't find the article
2012-10-14 00:39:22 paul_irish: Garbee: same.
2012-10-14 00:39:30 Garbee: As long as there is a reason Ryan...
2012-10-14 00:39:42 paul_irish: Ryan_Lane: do you know what plugin is facilitating those comments in the jquery ui dialog?
2012-10-14 00:39:50 Garbee: I trust your judgement on that stuff ofc.  I have never done server management to this scale.
2012-10-14 00:39:56 fr0zenice: in case anyone wonders: comment buttons should show up automatically, but only in the main namespace, not others like WPD: etc.
2012-10-14 00:39:57 Ryan_Lane: basically, there's research that shows that getting "barnstars" and other non-monetary rewards causes people to contribute more
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2012-10-14 00:40:30 Garbee: paul, I also see jquery in the tags for wiki articles.  I think until we decide what kind or even if jquery will have a place it should at least be hidden from that view.
2012-10-14 00:40:36 Ryan_Lane: paul_irish: dunno
2012-10-14 00:40:51 Ryan_Lane: we should remove any system that gives negative feedback
2012-10-14 00:40:59 Ryan_Lane: and encourage systems that give positive feedback
2012-10-14 00:41:03 Garbee: Otherwise we might hear complaints about jquery "getting support" when we won't really cover any other libraries/frameworks in detail.
2012-10-14 00:41:04 fr0zenice: paul_irish: seems to be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Comments or a modified version
2012-10-14 00:41:09 Ryan_Lane: foes, for instance, shouldn't exist
2012-10-14 00:41:47 Garbee: Ryan, should we open a bug report for removing negative connotations from system functions?
2012-10-14 00:41:51 Ryan_Lane: yes
2012-10-14 00:41:54 Ryan_Lane: please do
2012-10-14 00:41:54 Garbee: I'm on it.
2012-10-14 00:42:02 Ryan_Lane: wikimedia has tons of research on stuff like this
2012-10-14 00:42:09 Garbee: Once I find the bug tracker among all my stacked tabs...
2012-10-14 00:42:15 Ryan_Lane: it's harder to make changes in wikimedia's environment because things are so entrenched
2012-10-14 00:42:19 Ryan_Lane: and large
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2012-10-14 00:44:22 Garbee: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19529   --reported.
2012-10-14 00:44:47 Ryan_Lane: cool. thanks
2012-10-14 00:45:25 Garbee: Sadly I didn't have my bug day like I was hoping. :(
2012-10-14 00:46:12 Garbee: I ended up running my dads store and didn't have time to get any of that done.  I'm trying now to do it Tuesday or Wednesday, but ofc that is variable in case anything else grabs my attention in between now and then.
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2012-10-14 00:46:34 Garbee: I think now though most of the noise about broken things has calmed down.
2012-10-14 00:46:39 Garbee: Thankfully.
2012-10-14 00:46:48 Ryan_Lane: I need to tweak apache again
2012-10-14 00:46:58 Ryan_Lane: to make requests faster
2012-10-14 00:47:11 Ryan_Lane: last time I did it I thought it caused an outage, but it was the stupid xml dumps :D
2012-10-14 00:47:25 Garbee: haha, perfect timing then.
2012-10-14 00:47:39 Ryan_Lane: well, I'm at a conference all next week
2012-10-14 00:47:43 Ryan_Lane: not a great time to be making changes
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2012-10-14 00:48:00 Garbee: I'd hold off then and just let it be since the site at least runs right now.
2012-10-14 00:48:37 Garbee: Not worth making changes like that when you won't be around that much in case something happens.  Unless someone else knows how to fix it on the fly.
2012-10-14 00:48:38 Ryan_Lane: yep
2012-10-14 00:48:48 Ryan_Lane: I'm the only ops person so.....
2012-10-14 00:49:01 Garbee: Yea, you need some help man.
2012-10-14 00:49:05 Ryan_Lane: heh
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2012-10-14 00:50:35 Garbee: Ryan, this is offtopic but since you aren't in that channel I will just ask here...  Do you use a code editor like Sublime Text or Textmate, etc.?
2012-10-14 00:50:52 Ryan_Lane: I use vi
2012-10-14 00:51:43 Garbee: Ok, thanks for the info.  I know it seems so random, but there is a reason for it.
2012-10-14 00:51:55 Ryan_Lane: I've never really gotten a good feel for any IDEs
2012-10-14 00:52:02 Garbee: ST is not an IDE.
2012-10-14 00:52:07 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-14 00:52:10 Garbee: It is just a kickass code editor.
2012-10-14 00:52:18 Ryan_Lane: from an editor perspective, I'm *really* comfortable with vi
2012-10-14 00:52:21 Garbee: That you can probably extend to become an IDE if you tried hard enough.
2012-10-14 00:52:33 Garbee: Oh I'm sure.
2012-10-14 00:52:44 Garbee is a nano baby myself in a Linux terminal.
2012-10-14 00:52:48 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-14 00:52:58 Garbee: I have never gotten vi at all.
2012-10-14 00:53:04 Ryan_Lane: the default editor on the deployment system is nano :)
2012-10-14 00:53:08 Garbee: I did try, but just learning how to use it was too much effort to make worht while.
2012-10-14 00:53:20 Ryan_Lane: I had it as vi for a while, but that's just mean to most people
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2012-10-14 00:53:32 Garbee: ST has a vintage mode that works like vi in some areas.
2012-10-14 00:53:37 Garbee: You may want to give that a go. ;)
2012-10-14 00:53:41 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-14 00:53:45 Ryan_Lane: is it open source?
2012-10-14 00:53:50 Garbee: Sadly no.
2012-10-14 00:54:02 Garbee: $60 for license, but free trial with no real limits.
2012-10-14 00:54:04 Ryan_Lane: I'm kind of a purist, though I do use OS X
2012-10-14 00:54:13 Garbee: It is cross-platform as well.
2012-10-14 00:54:17 Garbee: http://sublimetext.com
2012-10-14 00:54:19 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-14 00:54:43 Ryan_Lane: ah
2012-10-14 00:54:44 Ryan_Lane: neat
2012-10-14 00:54:53 Garbee: Seriously, *try* it at least if you ever find the time.  Vintage mode when coming from VI would be worth knowing about in advance.
2012-10-14 00:55:04 Ryan_Lane: heh
2012-10-14 00:55:07 Garbee: I used it for weeks before buying just to get the feel for it.
2012-10-14 00:55:16 fr0zenice: guess I'll need to take a look at ST soon
2012-10-14 00:55:18 Garbee: I love that Jon really doesn't enforce any kind of limits on the trial.
2012-10-14 00:55:50 Ryan_Lane: my main problem is that the majority of the editing I do is on remote servers
2012-10-14 00:56:10 Ryan_Lane: I don't even run virtual machines on my laptop anymore
2012-10-14 00:56:17 Garbee: Yea, ST is pointless then tbh unless you mount them locally (hahaha.)
2012-10-14 00:56:38 Ryan_Lane: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page <— all of my dev work happens here now
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2012-10-14 00:56:58 Garbee: I do *a lot* of local editing on things, and am even trying to do my doc editing for webplatform in ST locally as well.
2012-10-14 00:57:25 Ryan_Lane: heh 666 users. fitting
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2012-10-14 00:57:54 Garbee thinks I'd be scared of this guy:  Chad Horohoe  (^demon)  
2012-10-14 00:57:59 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-14 00:58:02 Garbee: The () being the IRC nick.
2012-10-14 00:58:18 Ryan_Lane: nah, he's not really scary ;)
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2012-10-14 00:58:30 Garbee: Sure, you say that now.
2012-10-14 00:58:41 Garbee: Then I got to ask a question and end up giving my soul away.
2012-10-14 00:58:46 Ryan_Lane: well, I've worked with him for a few years now ;)
2012-10-14 00:58:53 Garbee: I have heard that story before.
2012-10-14 01:00:57 Garbee: Btw, I need to know now.  1) Who's idea was an IRC webclient on the site itself? and 2) Who decided on how to impliment it?
2012-10-14 01:01:11 Garbee: I'm just going to say it, that was a horrible try.
2012-10-14 01:01:12 Ryan_Lane: I think shepazu's idea
2012-10-14 01:01:19 Ryan_Lane: it's a good idea
2012-10-14 01:01:24 Garbee: Good idea bad try.
2012-10-14 01:01:34 Ryan_Lane: we need to put some protections in front of it
2012-10-14 01:01:37 Garbee: Blocking IP's in the connection is never a nice idea.
2012-10-14 01:01:42 Ryan_Lane: maybe tie it into the auth systems
2012-10-14 01:02:01 Ryan_Lane: you can ban individual users from the web interface
2012-10-14 01:02:02 Garbee: Copy Freenode on that one, show the IP at the end of the connection.  That way we can take care of abusers/trolls easily.
2012-10-14 01:02:15 Garbee: w/o affecting all users like we currently are.
2012-10-14 01:02:21 Ryan_Lane: the ip hash is in the real name
2012-10-14 01:02:33 Garbee: No hashing, that is the point.
2012-10-14 01:02:39 Ryan_Lane: it's configured according to freenode's suggestions
2012-10-14 01:02:43 Garbee: It blocks us able to block.
2012-10-14 01:02:54 Garbee: Really?  I need to go find that suggestion now.
2012-10-14 01:02:55 Ryan_Lane: no, it still allows the block
2012-10-14 01:02:58 Ryan_Lane: you block the hash
2012-10-14 01:03:10 Ryan_Lane: which blocks the IP
2012-10-14 01:03:20 Garbee: They get a new hash when they reconnect though.
2012-10-14 01:03:25 Ryan_Lane: no
2012-10-14 01:03:28 Garbee: The kitten troll kep getting a new one.
2012-10-14 01:03:31 Ryan_Lane: it's a hash of their IP
2012-10-14 01:03:32 Garbee: kept*
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2012-10-14 01:03:44 Ryan_Lane: they are likely a bot that's distributed
2012-10-14 01:03:46 Garbee: hmm...  I'm checking my logs again.
2012-10-14 01:04:05 Ryan_Lane: if we tie this into the auth system, it would solve a lot
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2012-10-14 01:05:01 Garbee: Yea, I'm seeing a change in the hash.
2012-10-14 01:05:22 Ryan_Lane: I made a number of changes since launch
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2012-10-14 01:06:52 Garbee: I responded to the bug report on it.  I really think the best thing would be just to push people to webchat.freenode.org with the channel name already filled in.  That way it is also one less thing the webplatform site is doing.
2012-10-14 01:07:26 Ryan_Lane: true. it's nice to have it directly integrated, though
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2012-10-14 01:07:43 Ryan_Lane: and if we integrate the auth, then we kill the trolls anyway
2012-10-14 01:08:40 Garbee: oh, on the auth system.  Someone had thought MediaWiki might just be misconfigured in some way.  They had a link so a discussion on it too.
2012-10-14 01:08:48 Garbee: Let me see if I can find it in my logs.
2012-10-14 01:08:54 Garbee: In case you didn't catch that.
2012-10-14 01:09:01 Ryan_Lane: it's possible
2012-10-14 01:09:18 Ryan_Lane: though I don't really see how
2012-10-14 01:09:42 Garbee: I also see the point to having it directly integrated on the site too.  I think if we got things patched and I learned how it works then I will feel better about it.
2012-10-14 01:09:50 Ryan_Lane nods
2012-10-14 01:10:16 fr0zenice: ugh, 3 AM already again... time for some sleep, see you guys tomorrow!
2012-10-14 01:10:27 Ryan_Lane: fr0zenice: see ya
2012-10-14 01:10:39 fr0zenice: Remote host closed the connection
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2012-10-14 01:10:50 Garbee: I do ask that *before* webchat directly integrated goes back online we have a way to let Ops know how it is going to work and deal with issues.  Just so we all understand ahead of time.
2012-10-14 01:11:06 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-14 01:13:48 Garbee: Looks like someone thinks it had something to do with the abuse filter... That was on the 8th though and is not in the conversation I'm thinking of.
2012-10-14 01:14:35 Ryan_Lane: with abuse filter?
2012-10-14 01:14:40 Ryan_Lane: that would be *very* odd
2012-10-14 01:14:58 Garbee: I think I just found the conversation.
2012-10-14 01:15:04 Garbee: WIth Tomato.
2012-10-14 01:15:20 Garbee: The link he provided:  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Login_Problem
2012-10-14 01:15:24 Garbee: I never even opened it.
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2012-10-14 01:17:48 Ryan_Lane: yeah. none of that helps :(
2012-10-14 01:17:54 Ryan_Lane: we're using memcache for sessions
2012-10-14 01:18:03 Ryan_Lane: I honestly think it's a bug in mediawiki
2012-10-14 01:18:14 Ryan_Lane: we need to upgrade mediawiki at some point
2012-10-14 01:19:17 Garbee: Well, worth mentioning at list.
2012-10-14 01:19:19 Garbee: least*
2012-10-14 01:19:25 Garbee: Wow, how did that make it out of my fingers.
2012-10-14 01:19:32 Ryan_Lane: heh
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2012-10-14 02:00:34 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, What version control system is MediaWiki developed on?
2012-10-14 02:00:41 Ryan_Lane: git
2012-10-14 02:00:44 Ryan_Lane: using gerrit
2012-10-14 02:01:41 Garbee: Couldn't you check the changelog for changes to files relating to user sessions on that?   Might give some kind of an idea if there is a patch needed to fix SSO.
2012-10-14 02:02:15 Garbee: I'm sure you could target the files somehow and get just their (or their folders) change history in between the current version and the one you are running the site on.
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2012-10-14 02:03:32 Ryan_Lane: well, we're planning to upgrade anyway
2012-10-14 02:03:52 Ryan_Lane: and searching for that isn't the easiest
2012-10-14 02:04:04 whitby: "Peace."
2012-10-14 02:04:12 Garbee: Yea, upgrading would be prime to also get other enhancements.
2012-10-14 02:04:16 Ryan_Lane: I know there was a bug with memcache support at some point, but I'm pretty sure the version we're on already has that patch
2012-10-14 02:04:17 Garbee: and fixes.
2012-10-14 02:04:47 Garbee: Well, I just had that idea thinking it could be of some help.
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2012-10-14 02:06:17 Garbee: Ah, cool:  https://github.com/mediawiki
2012-10-14 02:06:23 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-14 02:06:27 Ryan_Lane: we replicate core there
2012-10-14 02:06:35 Garbee: I see.
2012-10-14 02:06:46 Garbee: Not worth me watching though. :/  I have little interest there myself.
2012-10-14 02:07:12 Ryan_Lane: nothing session related in memcache support since August
2012-10-14 02:08:03 Ryan_Lane: it's possible this was after our version, though
2012-10-14 02:08:47 Ryan_Lane: I don't see a fix for sessions, though
2012-10-14 02:09:23 Garbee: Just upgrade and hope it works?
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2012-10-14 02:10:30 Ryan_Lane: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/18069/1
2012-10-14 02:10:34 Ryan_Lane: well, that might help
2012-10-14 02:12:03 Garbee thinks it would.
2012-10-14 02:12:09 Garbee: At least in some way.
2012-10-14 02:12:24 Garbee: Not sure how much it would help with SSO between Q2A though...
2012-10-14 02:12:51 Ryan_Lane: well, it would just make the problem less apparent
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2012-10-14 02:13:13 Garbee: That is better.
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2012-10-14 02:14:36 Garbee: So I guess it is put up with it and let anyone know who brings it up anymore that it is still being worked on until the update happens.  Then it is check to see if it is helped at all.
2012-10-14 02:16:52 Ryan_Lane: or rewrite the SSO system to not use mediawiki's memcache sessions
2012-10-14 02:17:02 Garbee: I'm going to try and get an email out tomorrow with some suggestions on how we can get more eyes on the known issue lists and Q&A FAQ and all that while things are still in alpha.
2012-10-14 02:17:24 Garbee: That way hopefully people will see them and not need to ask or report it yet again.
2012-10-14 02:17:34 Ryan_Lane: if someone fixes the openid extension for mediawiki to act as a provider, then we could use openid for sso
2012-10-14 02:17:37 Garbee: Right now it is kinda hidden stuff unless you happen to see our links.
2012-10-14 02:18:00 Garbee goes to find that extension.
2012-10-14 02:18:18 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
2012-10-14 02:18:26 Garbee: Yea, already there.
2012-10-14 02:18:31 Garbee: (BING)
2012-10-14 02:18:31 Ryan_Lane: I need that fixed in the same way
2012-10-14 02:18:36 Ryan_Lane: but I don't have time to do it
2012-10-14 02:19:15 Ryan_Lane: it needs to be fixed to remove that damn make file too
2012-10-14 02:19:27 Ryan_Lane: and it needs to be moved to gerrit, rather than wherever the hell it is right now
2012-10-14 02:19:42 Ryan_Lane: ah. it's still in SVN
2012-10-14 02:19:45 Ryan_Lane pukes
2012-10-14 02:20:30 Garbee: I'm personally kinda getting peeved when people think that just because all these big companies are stewards things should just work from the start.  I don't think they realize how constrained resources on the project actually are.
2012-10-14 02:20:45 Garbee: Well, constrained for you guys.
2012-10-14 02:20:50 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-14 02:20:51 Garbee: (and gals)
2012-10-14 02:21:01 Ryan_Lane: time was a massive constraint
2012-10-14 02:21:10 Garbee: I can see.
2012-10-14 02:21:18 Ryan_Lane: soon enough we'll have things in the open
2012-10-14 02:21:23 Ryan_Lane: including the test/dev environment
2012-10-14 02:21:29 Ryan_Lane: so people can help fix things directly
2012-10-14 02:21:39 Garbee: Yea, which brings up something for the meta room...
2012-10-14 02:22:03 Ryan_Lane: I added a project for it already in Wikimedia Labs: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Webplatform
2012-10-14 02:22:17 Ryan_Lane: it's empty right now, but we'll have a clone of the environment in there soon enough
2012-10-14 02:22:31 Ryan_Lane: Labs will be open registration soon as well, so that should make things easier
2012-10-14 02:23:09 Garbee: Is there any way I could possibly get a copy of the skin code?  I would like to try and help fix some of the theme issues if allowed, and don't really feel like replicating a plain HTML file and all to do it.
2012-10-14 02:23:54 Ryan_Lane: dunno
2012-10-14 02:24:06 Ryan_Lane: we should release that directly to wikimedia's gerrit server
2012-10-14 02:24:17 Ryan_Lane: all mediawiki related stuff should go there
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2012-10-14 02:24:33 Garbee: Well, I will wait until you all get things going there then.
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2012-10-14 02:25:31 Ryan_Lane: source control and deployment is hard :(
2012-10-14 02:25:43 Ryan_Lane: we should really use wikimedia's gerrit for mediawiki upstream
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2012-10-14 02:25:53 Ryan_Lane: but then, we don't really want to use external repos for deployment
2012-10-14 02:26:07 Garbee: Yea, check the meta channel. ;)
2012-10-14 02:26:12 Ryan_Lane: I wonder if we can do replication
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2012-10-14 06:26:27 arkhi: quick question: What does "Related Specifications" stand for in a CSS property context?
2012-10-14 06:26:53 arkhi: the matching W3C specs or some related properties specs?
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2012-10-14 07:16:47 FredFred: Wow..first time here. Didn't expect this many people here at this hour. That or everyone just left their clients connected.
2012-10-14 07:18:27 HammHetfield: probably the latter
2012-10-14 07:18:35 HammHetfield: but you're not entirely alone :)
2012-10-14 07:19:20 FredFred: lol…glad to know there's at least one!
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2012-10-14 07:28:12 arkhi: Hi all
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2012-10-14 08:29:47 asbjorn: Hello guys :-) Anyone awake?
2012-10-14 08:30:33 HammHetfield raises hand
2012-10-14 08:31:31 asbjorn: I've been looking at the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Topic_Hierarchy article and thinking about how I can make use of this structure... I mean, its good for documentation, but I feel that it needs a "entrance" sort of thing which is more wrapped around subject...?
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2012-10-14 08:32:42 HammHetfield: asbjorn: like tutorials ?
2012-10-14 08:32:56 asbjorn: I guess when I need to look up documentation like this it is either as a reference for what I'm already using (then the structure is fine), AND as a source of information about different options I have to solve my problem.
2012-10-14 08:33:37 asbjorn: Well, if I'm looking for a way to store data locally - what is a natural approach to look up options for that?
2012-10-14 08:33:40 HammHetfield: I suppose these would either go in tutorials (how to solve X, how to do Y) or in concepts (what is techniques Z and tools to do it)
2012-10-14 08:36:02 asbjorn: Yeah, I'm not opposed to this structure, I'm just thinking there should be a more natural grouping of this content...?
2012-10-14 08:36:21 HammHetfield: I don't understand why it's not natural to you
2012-10-14 08:36:38 HammHetfield: concepts = techniques, patterns, all kind of concepts in general
2012-10-14 08:36:45 HammHetfield: tutorials = how-to guide to doing something
2012-10-14 08:37:06 HammHetfield: that's already 2 compatible ways to cover your questions about local storage
2012-10-14 08:37:11 HammHetfield: plus all the doc about its APIs
2012-10-14 08:39:42 asbjorn: well, from the first page, I'm not sure if I want a concept or a tutorial or perhaps Javascript which I guess is what I will be using. If I click any of these I would have to dig pretty deep to get to some actual information about what I should use to solve my problem...
2012-10-14 08:40:06 HammHetfield: not necessarily
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2012-10-14 08:40:30 HammHetfield: if the pages link to each other, you should be able to find what you're looking for
2012-10-14 08:40:42 asbjorn: no, and that is what I'm trying to address :-P
2012-10-14 08:40:58 asbjorn: the not necessarily part...
2012-10-14 08:41:15 HammHetfield: it would be difficult now because right now information is missing and everything
2012-10-14 08:41:27 asbjorn: I'm just trying to think of a good way into the matter to solve the most common "use-cases" for the site...
2012-10-14 08:41:50 HammHetfield: but if say doc about localStorage API contains a link to the tutotirla about how to use it and a link to the page explaining the idea of offline browsing, I don't think why that'd be difficult
2012-10-14 08:41:54 HammHetfield: tutorial*
2012-10-14 08:42:52 asbjorn: now, thats how it should be I think! but how do I get to the localStorage article in the first place... All I know is that I need to store some data locally - perhaps I don't even know that its an option to do so...
2012-10-14 08:43:30 HammHetfield: I think you're thinking backward
2012-10-14 08:43:45 HammHetfield: if you had this issue, you'd google it, get directly on one of the page that talk about it
2012-10-14 08:43:58 HammHetfield: the concept (least likely), the tutorial or the doc
2012-10-14 08:44:04 HammHetfield: or you'd use the search
2012-10-14 08:44:30 HammHetfield: if you decide to go through the navigation without knowing the site's architecture, what you're looking for… you're on your own
2012-10-14 08:45:20 asbjorn: both the google thing and the search expect that I know what I'm looking for... there is no guaratee that I'll hit anything I can use if I don't know that its called localStorage
2012-10-14 08:45:41 HammHetfield: concepts -> programming -> offline browsing
2012-10-14 08:45:49 asbjorn: Have a look at the "HTML5 FEATURES" grouping on http://www.html5rocks.com/en/
2012-10-14 08:46:09 arkhi: asbjorn: If you don't know what you want, you can't really search for it, I guess.
2012-10-14 08:46:19 asbjorn: arkhi: thats my point...
2012-10-14 08:46:48 arkhi: Beside trusted network that knows a problem you don't face, or luck, I don't see how you would find the information.
2012-10-14 08:46:49 asbjorn: but if you had some sort of subject grouping (see the link) then you could find this information
2012-10-14 08:46:55 asbjorn brb
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2012-10-14 08:47:17 HammHetfield: unless you're running a website that contains dozens of topics, and then you just have a lot of icons to design, and not really any solution
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2012-10-14 08:50:55 arkhi: What about html5rocks? Are you talking about personas style navigation?
2012-10-14 08:51:24 HammHetfield: I think he means the list of icons + text at the bottom
2012-10-14 08:51:38 HammHetfield: which works because there's just a few topics
2012-10-14 08:51:42 asbjorn: Nono, look at the "Features" think... Offline, Storage, File Access, etc.
2012-10-14 08:52:17 HammHetfield: but if you put as many as there are on WPD...
2012-10-14 08:52:21 asbjorn: HammHetfield: yeah, I get that, that is why its not an easy problem...
2012-10-14 08:52:32 arkhi: I like the personas idea.
2012-10-14 08:52:35 HammHetfield: asbjorn: I don't think it's an important problem
2012-10-14 08:52:47 HammHetfield: concepts -> programming -> offline browsing
2012-10-14 08:52:50 arkhi: Who are you => What are you the most likely to be interested in.
2012-10-14 08:52:54 HammHetfield: and that would link to the other concepts
2012-10-14 08:53:00 arkhi: true HammHetfield :)
2012-10-14 08:53:07 HammHetfield: other pages*
2012-10-14 08:53:25 HammHetfield: if you can't find that, maybe you shouldn't be searching
2012-10-14 08:53:46 asbjorn: HammHetfield: I disagree. I think it is important if the webplatform wants to be a broad source of information for lots of people...
2012-10-14 08:54:38 HammHetfield: how about limiting to people that can use google and/or the Q&A ?
2012-10-14 08:55:05 HammHetfield: "hey how's it called when stuff are stored in my browser instead of a DB ?"
2012-10-14 08:55:07 FredFred: There's so many languages, protocols, and on and on. I see this as "setting the standard tools" operation
2012-10-14 08:55:15 HammHetfield: get an answer with link -> there you go
2012-10-14 08:55:30 HammHetfield: use google 'web platform make website work offline" -> link to the concept page
2012-10-14 08:55:51 asbjorn: I think of myself as pretty experienced web dev, I know all about localStorage, indexedDB, cache manifest, the File API, canvas, etc. etc. and even I find can't really find docs in a good way...
2012-10-14 08:56:08 HammHetfield: because the docs aren't there yet
2012-10-14 08:56:14 HammHetfield: they're not linked to each other properly
2012-10-14 08:56:48 FredFred: Used Google's web platform  for workers to check in and out. Simple from what I expected
2012-10-14 08:57:20 HammHetfield: right now all posts are dots with time the community should add more dots and connections between the dots
2012-10-14 08:57:43 FredFred: mesh?
2012-10-14 08:59:18 asbjorn: HammHetfield: thats true, but the whole "how to find" already if relevant to editors. Let's say I make a tutorial about drawing images on a canvas (which I'm actually doing), where do I link up the article so that people can navigate to it (from the top)
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2012-10-14 08:59:50 asbjorn: actually I think "from the top" approach is more relevant now then later, because later, as you say, all the dots will be connected... they are not now...
2012-10-14 09:00:06 HammHetfield: first of all you don't have to do it yourself
2012-10-14 09:00:10 asbjorn: and people will use http://webplatform.org as an entrance to see what is there now...
2012-10-14 09:00:29 HammHetfield: so maybe you should let it go for now, focus on your article and the community will add links to your article where it sees fit, add stuff, etc etc
2012-10-14 09:00:39 HammHetfield: so you shouldn't really be worried about that, especially now
2012-10-14 09:01:08 HammHetfield: second of all, you could a link like "Further reading" in the canvas docs pages
2012-10-14 09:01:16 FredFred: Does the article belong @ the top? (not trying to nag rather point out how complex this can get.
2012-10-14 09:01:18 asbjorn: I guess that is what I'll end up doing... But I'm also part of the communit and are looking for a natural way to reach the content I want...
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2012-10-14 09:02:06 FredFred: typo…or two.
2012-10-14 09:04:23 FredFred: So is the web platform void of python, perl, and on and on? I actually think it'd be a good thing even though I'm most familiar with python.
2012-10-14 09:05:35 asbjorn: FredFred: webplatform is for web technologies like javascript, css and html... not for backend programming languages...
2012-10-14 09:07:02 FredFred: That is an impressive goal. I was kind of wondering what SVG was doing in there but it makes more sense now.
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2012-10-14 11:34:17 Garbee: asbjorn, FYI, If you aren't sure exactly where to put something, just give it a best guess.
2012-10-14 11:34:26 Garbee: If it doesn't belong we can simply move it later on.
2012-10-14 11:35:19 Garbee: Right now I think we can all agree we would rather be getting good content at least added that is trying to be categorized properly.  If it happens to not be, it is a simple move solution.  So no real worries about any massive messes coming from it.
2012-10-14 11:35:55 fr0zenice agrees
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2012-10-14 11:38:52 Grephix: Hi guys
2012-10-14 11:39:19 Garbee: Although I do see some great points made in the log for needing clerity on categorization.
2012-10-14 11:39:34 fr0zenice: hey Grephix
2012-10-14 11:39:44 Garbee: Yo.
2012-10-14 11:39:50 Garbee: (not lo)
2012-10-14 11:40:16 Grephix: Hi fr0zenice, Garbee lol
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2012-10-14 11:53:11 Garbee: Should I go through the Q&A today and clean up the unessecary noise/flull?
2012-10-14 11:59:01 eighty4: Garbee: yes
2012-10-14 11:59:44 Garbee: I have been trying to clean the latest stuff up.  But going back through I'm just seeing so must cruft I can finally cleanup and hopefully get it all a bit easier to find what people want.
2012-10-14 12:00:24 Garbee: We got *another* "Why am I wikisysop" question yesterday.  It will be the last one actually answered.  That is my reference point for closing any new ones down for.
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2012-10-14 12:05:20 eighty4: morning leaverou
2012-10-14 12:05:25 eighty4: erh… letterpress
2012-10-14 12:08:41 HammHetfield: the amount of famous people coming in this chan is too damn high
2012-10-14 12:09:08 Garbee: HammHetfield, That is no problem.
2012-10-14 12:09:15 HammHetfield: didn't say it is
2012-10-14 12:09:29 eighty4: HammHetfield: don't let it go to your head ;)
2012-10-14 12:09:34 HammHetfield: quite the opposite, I'm just always shocked and surprise when I see "famous" people on IRC
2012-10-14 12:10:14 HammHetfield: "oh look, that guy that writes that blog I've been religiously following for 4 years just logged in, no pressure, noooooo pressuuuuure"
2012-10-14 12:10:52 eighty4: and then you find out that that guy is a total ****** :P
2012-10-14 12:11:18 HammHetfield: nah usually I say something really stupid, cry and go afk
2012-10-14 12:11:23 eighty4: also link to the blog please?
2012-10-14 12:11:27 HammHetfield: but hey, doesn't mean the guy isn't a total douche
2012-10-14 12:12:43 HammHetfield: eighty4: well I have lëaverou in my rss feed, päulirish as well, didn't see äddyosmani in here, surprising looks like the kind of project he'd contribute to but he's in #yeaoman sometimes and probably some more
2012-10-14 12:14:13 Garbee: I actually learned about WPD from Paul's blog. :P
2012-10-14 12:14:52 eighty4: I should read more blogs :| I only actually know lëaverou from in here and I have no idea who äddyosmani is
2012-10-14 12:15:30 HammHetfield: eighty4: I'd say he's a JS evangelist ^^
2012-10-14 12:15:47 HammHetfield: he made the TodoMVC repo with the todo app in almost all js MV* frameworks
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2012-10-14 12:15:55 HammHetfield: and lot of other stuff like that, mostly about JS
2012-10-14 12:16:04 HammHetfield: he's part of the yeoman team as well I think
2012-10-14 12:17:24 HammHetfield: eighty4: päulirish published on his blog an RSS feed folder of people to follow for fronted related news
2012-10-14 12:17:40 HammHetfield: add that and you're good to go, almost anything you'd want to subscribe to is in there
2012-10-14 12:17:48 Garbee: HammHetfield, You also do realize most of these people have been using IRC for years right...
2012-10-14 12:18:15 Garbee: Yea, that feed is insane.
2012-10-14 12:18:21 eighty4: HammHetfield: right, but using/reading about the above doesn't mean I know who the authors is :)
2012-10-14 12:18:54 HammHetfield: Garbee: lol of course
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2012-10-14 12:19:53 HammHetfield: eighty4: well if you care even just a little bit
2012-10-14 12:20:13 HammHetfield: like a girl name +  a last name that means "lock" in french, no way I wouldn't want to know who's behind that
2012-10-14 12:20:16 eighty4: and link to that rss feed? I can't seem to find it
2012-10-14 12:20:22 HammHetfield: primitive french male instict
2012-10-14 12:20:24 HammHetfield: instinct
2012-10-14 12:20:57 eighty4: you're so not a french male :)
2012-10-14 12:21:07 HammHetfield: eighty4: http://paulirish.com/2011/web-browser-frontend-and-standards-feeds-to-follow/
2012-10-14 12:21:33 HammHetfield: eighty4: as if you're 84 ¬.¬
2012-10-14 12:21:43 HammHetfield: on the internet nobody knows I'm a dog
2012-10-14 12:22:03 Garbee: The Adcademic Research stuff he posted is interesting as well:  http://paulirish.com/2012/academic-research-on-browsers-frontend-development-and-debugging/
2012-10-14 12:22:09 Garbee: That is more recent.
2012-10-14 12:22:14 eighty4: HammHetfield: 1984 :) yes
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2012-10-14 12:22:51 eighty4: 277 feeds :)
2012-10-14 12:22:54 eighty4: that's absurd
2012-10-14 12:22:59 HammHetfield: many inactive ones though
2012-10-14 12:23:19 HammHetfield: roughly 100/posts a week, something like that
2012-10-14 12:23:33 HammHetfield: some I often skip like jQuery change logs and stuff like that
2012-10-14 12:23:42 HammHetfield: keep them around when needed but that's all
2012-10-14 12:24:13 eighty4: I don't even read 10 a day :)
2012-10-14 12:25:00 HammHetfield: my morning routine when I get to work is to find the article that seems the most interesting in my news feed and read that while drinking coffee
2012-10-14 12:25:34 HammHetfield: you should do it, it's really nice, sweet way to go from "waha fuck noisy streets, I don't wanna work today" to "so, code, interesting how does that work ?"
2012-10-14 12:25:44 HammHetfield: plus the coffee… everything is always better with coffee
2012-10-14 12:26:17 arkhi: if you like coffee, that's for sure.
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2012-10-14 12:26:42 HammHetfield: if you don't, you can always add some coffee to it since everything is always better with coffee ;)
2012-10-14 12:26:49 eighty4: I tend to blankly stare into the wall while I drink my coffee :)
2012-10-14 12:26:56 Garbee: Ok, you guys have fun oogling the well known devs.  Please no touching.
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2012-10-14 12:28:52 eighty4: what reader do you use HammHetfield?
2012-10-14 12:29:11 HammHetfield: eighty4: NetNewsWire.app
2012-10-14 12:29:27 eighty4: ah, I was hoping you were using some nice web based one.
2012-10-14 12:29:37 HammHetfield: it's using google feeds internally, to keep them all in sync across aaaaaaaall my 2 computers
2012-10-14 12:29:46 HammHetfield: well goodle feeds must have some web interface
2012-10-14 12:29:53 arkhi: eighty4: TinyTiny RSS never failed me if you're looking for something web based
2012-10-14 12:30:14 HammHetfield: TinyTiny RSS never falls short
2012-10-14 12:30:20 eighty4: arkhi: I'd like something that works from iphone top laptio
2012-10-14 12:30:31 HammHetfield: not sure this joke even makes sense but I wanted to try anyway
2012-10-14 12:30:48 arkhi: HammHetfield: :)
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2012-10-14 13:39:33 Guest9355: i'm new to irc!
2012-10-14 13:40:43 HammHetfield: <joke> then you probably want to change your nickname (username), type : /quit someNameHere to change it </joke>
2012-10-14 13:41:38 HammHetfield: (the real command is /nick someName fyi)
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2012-10-14 13:49:18 Hoetmaaiers: Thanks!
2012-10-14 13:49:46 HammHetfield: you're welcome :)
2012-10-14 13:50:16 HammHetfield: now if you press Cmd + Q (or Alt + f4 on windows), you'll see the list of commands on IRC
2012-10-14 13:50:22 HammHetfield: (o o )     ( o o)...
2012-10-14 13:50:25 HammHetfield is being mean
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2012-10-14 13:51:18 HammHetfield: :(
2012-10-14 13:51:23 HammHetfield: I didn't think he'd do it
2012-10-14 13:51:27 HammHetfield: I feel bad now
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2012-10-14 14:04:43 Garbee: HammHetfield, Please don't joke like that in this room.
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2012-10-14 14:13:55 HammHetfield: okay
2012-10-14 14:14:37 HammHetfield: thought these shortcuts would be known by anybody that would end up in such a channel… I guess I was wrong :(
2012-10-14 14:14:48 Garbee: Yea, not really.  That is the problem.
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2012-10-14 14:16:16 Garbee: Also when they are new to IRC it can seem like it is just telling someone to go away.
2012-10-14 14:16:30 Garbee: Which *we* know it isn't, but they could see it that way.
2012-10-14 14:16:54 HammHetfield: I know, I really feel bad, I was convinced he'd know the command and/or would see I already made a joke before
2012-10-14 14:17:04 HammHetfield: but… well he didn't :(
2012-10-14 14:18:26 Garbee: Or it was just really good timing of them having something else to do and needing to close the window.
2012-10-14 14:19:11 Garbee: Don't feel too bad, we simply don't know for sure.  But, let's try to not let it happen in the future.
2012-10-14 14:19:47 HammHetfield: yep, got it
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2012-10-14 15:23:57 shepazu: morning, folks
2012-10-14 15:24:05 Garbee: Hello.
2012-10-14 15:24:06 Grephix: Hi shepazu
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2012-10-14 15:28:01 fr0zenice: hey shepazu
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2012-10-14 15:44:20 Garbee: This seems odd.  I went into a new Question for the first time yet I have already upvoted an answer...
2012-10-14 15:45:18 fr0zenice: does it show your correct username at the top?
2012-10-14 15:45:29 Sandkorn: mmh, wasit an answer you'd probably have upvoted anyway?
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2012-10-14 15:46:05 Garbee: Yea, and it even has my groups.
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2012-10-14 15:46:18 Garbee: I am surely me, but it is odd that it seems I already upvoted the answer.
2012-10-14 15:46:31 fr0zenice: which one
2012-10-14 15:46:43 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/598/can-i-document-unofficially-standards   --Chris's.
2012-10-14 15:47:06 fr0zenice: heh
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2012-10-14 15:47:15 fr0zenice: actually I upvoted that one some minutes ago
2012-10-14 15:47:21 Garbee: Oh, nvm.  I'm an idiot.
2012-10-14 15:47:24 Garbee: This is from 5 days ago.
2012-10-14 15:47:34 Garbee: It is back at the top due to a new answer.
2012-10-14 15:47:46 Garbee: *facepalm*
2012-10-14 15:47:50 fr0zenice: :)
2012-10-14 15:48:09 Garbee: So much stuff going on in 5 days I'm already forgetting what is going on. :/
2012-10-14 15:48:20 Garbee: Well, what I have done.  I know what is going on right now.
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2012-10-14 15:52:10 Sandkorn: Since i'm not quite sure what this channel is really about yet and my question has kind of a narrow target group.... Anyone else noticed some strange DOM-not-updating when using Javacript with the latest chromium (*buntu)? Having some weird behaviour since the last update..
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2012-10-14 15:58:55 Garbee: Sandkorn, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser  would be the place to ask and/or file a bug report.
2012-10-14 16:01:18 Sandkorn: yeh, just have no time these days to narrow it down or go through the huge pile of code line by line :-/  .. was hoping its a known something and just couldnt find anything :-\
2012-10-14 16:01:22 Sandkorn: thanks tho :-)
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2012-10-14 16:14:37 Garbee: josie, The theme does feel like that.   I personally think it is a little overdone.
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2012-10-14 16:17:05 josieliang: here is my original question: Wonder if it is just me or there are other people has the same feeling, when I look at the web platform.org website, I feel like in a little fabric store
2012-10-14 16:17:31 josieliang: Garbee, I agree.
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2012-10-14 16:18:45 josieliang: it seems for a web platform website, the ux is a bit not matching the context
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2012-10-14 16:19:46 Garbee: Well.  I think of it more as targeting developers, yet the theme looks like something developers build for clients.
2012-10-14 16:20:12 Garbee: I think something a little more simplistic would probably be satisfactory.  But, at least they are trying to keep it consistent.
2012-10-14 16:20:25 Garbee: Also simpler would probably have less issues.
2012-10-14 16:20:29 josieliang: simple is better, agree
2012-10-14 16:20:46 Garbee: It works though except for a few issues.  So I'm fine with what it is.
2012-10-14 16:20:56 josieliang: the curtain gives a bit weird feeling, maybe
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2012-10-14 16:21:20 Garbee: I'm sure they had a reason for the design.  We just don't see that discussion. :/  Oh well.
2012-10-14 16:21:32 josieliang: :)
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2012-10-14 16:21:54 Garbee: It works for what we *need* to get done, so I'm fine with most UI elements atm.
2012-10-14 16:22:24 Garbee: I do see plenty of rough spots though, but it is alpha and all issues are known so it is just moot to really bring up until we get source access to try and help fix it.
2012-10-14 16:22:58 Garbee: I kinda don't like the static bar at the top though, I'd love to see it stick to the top.
2012-10-14 16:24:28 josieliang: right.  Just remember it looks very much like the retailmenot theme, or an old version of it
2012-10-14 16:24:37 josieliang: and it also feels web1
2012-10-14 16:24:48 josieliang: I am new,
2012-10-14 16:24:57 josieliang: so do not know if there are issues
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2012-10-14 16:25:08 josieliang: but just a straight feeling dump when come to the site
2012-10-14 16:25:10 Garbee: You will see them. ;)
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2012-10-14 16:26:16 Garbee: Tables not looking right in some areas (expanding outside of their parent element), Table of Contents if you turn it on isn't too great right now, and a few other oddities here and there.  I also see a few more issues due to administrative tasks I see.
2012-10-14 16:27:09 Garbee: It works, so I'm focusing on getting content in.  Thankfully someone else is leading the charge on cleanup of current content so I can focus on what I like to do.
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2012-10-14 16:27:33 Garbee: Honestly if Tomato weren't around I'd probably be on cleanup.
2012-10-14 16:27:59 sklise: part
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2012-10-14 16:30:11 josieliang: I see
2012-10-14 16:31:41 Garbee: I'm dropping into the bug list.  I may be back in a few years...
2012-10-14 16:31:46 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-14 16:31:54 josieliang: :)
2012-10-14 16:32:45 Garbee: I'm trying to find things that might be in here that we could get people to take care of on the frontend.  That way if we could get it handled by others then the people who the bugs are assigned to can focus on other things.
2012-10-14 16:33:17 Garbee: Plus some seem not to know quite where to start, so if we could get some bugs taken care of in the process of them getting started then everyone wins.
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2012-10-14 16:36:04 josieliang: agree
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2012-10-14 17:06:39 AGM114K2A: I'm trying to check my code on http://validator.w3.org but I keep getting an error for my site www.newsideo.com - it says it's a 302 error, but it shows fine when you open it in a browser.  Anyone have any insight?
2012-10-14 17:08:53 Garbee: AGM114K2A, Sounds like a server misconfiguration.
2012-10-14 17:09:57 Garbee: This checks it though, and it looks pretty bad:  http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsideo.com;No200=1
2012-10-14 17:10:20 Garbee: Looks like you need to update the doctype.
2012-10-14 17:10:23 Garbee: And fix your comments.
2012-10-14 17:11:12 eighty4: In case anyone missed it http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
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2012-10-14 17:12:11 Garbee: Although, those types of questions are probably better asked in #web.
2012-10-14 17:12:30 eighty4: Or rater #html?
2012-10-14 17:12:59 Garbee: Yea, there too.  I'm not sure #html5 would be the place though...
2012-10-14 17:13:09 AGM114K2A: garbee: thanks man
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2012-10-14 17:14:27 lampe2: hello my friends
2012-10-14 17:15:04 eighty4: evening lampe2
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2012-10-14 17:24:32 Garbee: Does anyone else think that the Sublime Text plug on the beginners page should be removed?  Ref:  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners  under Before You Start, point 2.
2012-10-14 17:25:00 fr0zenice: yeah, should be a link to the dev tools
2012-10-14 17:25:17 Garbee: We are going to give paid tools like that which are trusted and many devs use on the Dev Tools page.  I think things mentioned there should be free.
2012-10-14 17:25:33 Damianz: Considering it doesn't mention geany or other decent, lightweight, free editors probably should go away
2012-10-14 17:25:40 Garbee: Well, I don't want a direct link to Dev Tools in that place since 1) It isn't done yet, 2) They shouldn't need to go through that list to get that info.
2012-10-14 17:25:45 Damianz: Still <3 Sublime for anything not in vim
2012-10-14 17:25:58 Garbee: Oh, I love ST too.  I just think a plug in that place is improper.
2012-10-14 17:26:16 Garbee: Nice to see others agree. ;)  So I'm taking care of it.
2012-10-14 17:26:35 Garbee: Plus in that context it also makes it sound like ST is free, which it certainly is not.
2012-10-14 17:26:49 Damianz: If it's a plug then there should also be a plug for textmate because it was awesome and is now opensource for osx :D </just saying>
2012-10-14 17:27:06 Garbee: Exactly.  Plugging that one there opens up a can of worms that shouldn't be.
2012-10-14 17:27:39 eighty4: Shouldn't things like eclipse in ther eas well?
2012-10-14 17:27:48 eighty4: emacs, vi?
2012-10-14 17:28:06 Garbee: eighty4, They will be covered in the Dev Tools section.
2012-10-14 17:28:35 Garbee: I think eclipse, emacs, and vi are a little too much for beginners.  But they are great to plug in Dev Tools.
2012-10-14 17:29:00 Garbee: Thanks for bringing it up.  /me facepalms for forgetting to add an IDE section to Dev Tools.
2012-10-14 17:30:26 Damianz: vim is an awesome tool and should be learnt as it's syntax is used accross a bunch of linux tools such as the less pager :D
2012-10-14 17:31:16 Garbee: Well, that is great *if* you use Linux.
2012-10-14 17:31:19 Garbee: Not all devs do.
2012-10-14 17:31:43 Garbee: We aren't going into that much detail on them though.  Just quick plugs.
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2012-10-14 17:32:00 Damianz wonders how you could ever develop on windows urrgh
2012-10-14 17:32:12 Francisc: Windows is awesome.
2012-10-14 17:32:37 Garbee: The only thing we are going into detail on are the Browser's tools (and Firebug and plugins for Opera (dragonfly iirc)).  That way we can teach people how to use built in tools and a few major plugins to actually test their pages.
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2012-10-14 17:33:25 Garbee: Other plugins that are trusted and get used *for web dev* can get a plug too, but not any in-detail guides without some discussion first I think.
2012-10-14 17:33:47 Damianz: Chrome inspector > Firebug every time (once you figure it out)
2012-10-14 17:34:21 eighty4: Damianz: os x?
2012-10-14 17:34:32 Garbee: Yea, I prefer Chrome's Dev Tools myself.  Originally I like FF and Firebug, but once I learned how much easier Chrome Dev Tools are I just got frustrated with Firebug.
2012-10-14 17:34:59 Damianz: I don't personally like osx, I do have it on my laptop as I've not re-installed it yet at the moment though. It's hard to get tools on as packages suck, much like windows.
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2012-10-14 17:38:22 eighty4: Damianz: probably mot the right channel to discuss this. But if you haven't try brew or similar.
2012-10-14 17:38:43 Damianz: I use brew/port, it's not really a packager manager replacement but it does help.
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2012-10-14 17:40:10 Garbee: Yea, head into #webplatform-offtopic with that conversation anymore.  Getting too off-topic.
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2012-10-14 17:41:12 Damianz: Garbee takes all the fun :P
2012-10-14 17:41:36 fr0zenice: only moves it to the right place :)
2012-10-14 17:41:45 Garbee: Damianz, I keep the fun in the right place.  I don't mind a little offtopic in here with being social and all, but when it gets too deep it should go over to -offtopic.
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2012-10-14 18:55:11 DONVODKI: hello... ?
2012-10-14 18:55:41 Damianz: hi
2012-10-14 18:55:55 DONVODKI: hi =)
2012-10-14 18:56:09 Garbee: Yup, it is working.
2012-10-14 18:56:11 DONVODKI: ages since the last time i used an IRC program!
2012-10-14 18:57:19 DONVODKI: i am a media designer... looking for some inspiration today
2012-10-14 18:57:23 lampe2: :) IRC is great !
2012-10-14 18:58:32 DONVODKI: is everyone alive... or am i talking with bóts ?
2012-10-14 18:58:38 lampe2: o0
2012-10-14 18:58:42 lampe2: iam not a bot ...
2012-10-14 18:58:55 Garbee: Nah, not bots.  There are 2 or 3 around though.
2012-10-14 18:59:05 DONVODKI: yor are programmed to answer like that :P
2012-10-14 18:59:21 Garbee: The official one is the wp-logger and another one that is being community built is wpdbot.
2012-10-14 18:59:45 DONVODKI: so.... is everyone sleeping ?
2012-10-14 18:59:48 lampe2: loading bot txt ...
2012-10-14 18:59:57 Garbee: Just lurking mostly.
2012-10-14 19:00:08 DONVODKI: yay...
2012-10-14 19:00:10 lampe2: bot lampe2 loaded ...
2012-10-14 19:00:16 lampe2: :P
2012-10-14 19:00:22 Garbee: Although I do know most of the people behind the site are probably resting today.
2012-10-14 19:00:29 Garbee: It has been a long week for them.
2012-10-14 19:00:40 DONVODKI: where are you from Garbee?
2012-10-14 19:00:45 Garbee: VA, USA.
2012-10-14 19:00:52 DONVODKI: va ?
2012-10-14 19:00:57 Garbee: VA = Virginia if you don't know shorthand.
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2012-10-14 19:01:05 DONVODKI: ahh
2012-10-14 19:01:33 DONVODKI: what do you do? are u a designer too or?
2012-10-14 19:02:07 Garbee: "Freelance"
2012-10-14 19:02:09 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-14 19:02:22 DONVODKI: same here... from Colombia btw
2012-10-14 19:02:24 lampe2: i like the when customers say: it should work on mobile too....
2012-10-14 19:02:46 Garbee: lampe2, Doesn't everything work on mobile that isn't flash?
2012-10-14 19:03:12 lampe2: Garbee, try jquery ui or things like that on mobile
2012-10-14 19:03:29 DONVODKI: it does work
2012-10-14 19:03:43 lampe2: jquery ui /= jquery mobile !
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2012-10-14 19:04:42 lampe2: take the normal jquery ui slider and slide it on a android or ios tablet !
2012-10-14 19:04:47 lampe2: it wont work
2012-10-14 19:05:49 lampe2: and you must write extra css code !
2012-10-14 19:06:04 HammHetfield: oh the horror, extra css code ^^
2012-10-14 19:06:42 lampe2: :) its not horror this are just more hours to code what the customer must pay for but they often dont understand that
2012-10-14 19:07:03 HammHetfield: maybe they're not told in words they can understand
2012-10-14 19:07:23 HammHetfield: but yeah the "it should work in mobiles" sentence often means a lot of time will have to be devoted to educating the client
2012-10-14 19:07:59 lampe2: HammHetfield, then i explain why and that something dont work on mobile etc etc :)
2012-10-14 19:08:06 HammHetfield: :)
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2012-10-14 19:09:21 lampe2: lets take an example: jquery ui slider can be vertical or horizontal BUT jquery mobile only vertical. so if your ui must look the same you must hack jquery mobile :)
2012-10-14 19:09:57 Garbee: *cough* #webplatform-offtopic *cough*
2012-10-14 19:10:04 lampe2: :)
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2012-10-14 19:10:26 Garbee: Well actually it could not be offtopic.
2012-10-14 19:10:42 lampe2: isent ui design a webplatform thing ? :)
2012-10-14 19:10:59 Garbee: Depends on what is decided upon jQuery in the docs.  I hear they have thought of doing it.  There are some things around referring to it.
2012-10-14 19:11:22 Garbee: I haven't seen any conversations on it though.
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2012-10-14 19:11:59 DONVODKI: lol
2012-10-14 19:12:14 DONVODKI: (i was taking some coffee)
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2012-10-14 19:13:48 lampe2: i need your opinion her
2012-10-14 19:15:08 lampe2: i was thinking that maybe it would be good to seperate the css files into layout.css and style.css. so that one file got the where the div or element should be and which size and so on and the other file should contain the color the shadow text style etc
2012-10-14 19:15:21 lampe2: has someone tryed that ?
2012-10-14 19:15:33 DONVODKI: interesting
2012-10-14 19:15:57 DONVODKI: but... whats the point
2012-10-14 19:16:36 fr0zenice: theming, I guess
2012-10-14 19:16:39 Michistar: I could see it being useful, if you wanted to easily change the "look" w/out changing the structure
2012-10-14 19:16:40 Garbee: Sounds like OO CSS just splitting into a few files.
2012-10-14 19:16:42 Michistar: but i've never tried it
2012-10-14 19:17:18 lampe2: first themeing ! and to not write everything in one big file
2012-10-14 19:17:27 Garbee: I have seen that kind of setup actually in some themes for LemonStand that are done by the company that made it.  They have color sheets that you use to change color schemes.
2012-10-14 19:17:35 DONVODKI: well.. sounds good
2012-10-14 19:17:57 DONVODKI: true garbee
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2012-10-14 19:18:12 Garbee: It really is useful if you want to offer multiple color choices to users too.
2012-10-14 19:18:31 Garbee: You could say have a base theme and let them chose which color accents they want while browsing.
2012-10-14 19:18:38 Garbee: Pretty simple setup at that point.
2012-10-14 19:18:40 DONVODKI: some joomla templates does have several css
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2012-10-14 19:19:19 Garbee: It is really just a matter of figuring out the best way to coordinate everything.
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2012-10-14 19:19:45 lampe3: argh damn internet connection
2012-10-14 19:19:46 DONVODKI: i guess its a good idea if your site is complex like a CMS
2012-10-14 19:20:02 lampe3: can someone kick lampe2 ?
2012-10-14 19:20:15 Garbee: lampe3, It will timeout in a moment.
2012-10-14 19:20:22 Garbee: I would but I lost Op somehow.
2012-10-14 19:20:32 lampe3: its not only themeing
2012-10-14 19:20:34 Garbee: Probably had a netsplit mess things up.
2012-10-14 19:21:05 lampe3: it would be great if when i load it on mobile i dont load the css stuff for desktop etc
2012-10-14 19:21:36 Garbee: How do you solve that without server-side checking of the device?
2012-10-14 19:21:48 lampe3: so there would be a file layout_mobile.css and you could keep the style.css
2012-10-14 19:21:52 Grephix: lampe3: I could kick lampe2, you would still however not be able to take that nickname as it's still connected to the server.
2012-10-14 19:21:58 DONVODKI: media query ?
2012-10-14 19:22:20 Garbee: DONVODKI, That is done clientside.
2012-10-14 19:22:25 lampe3: Grephix, its me and iam only once connected
2012-10-14 19:22:33 lampe3: Garbee, yeah this is a problem !
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2012-10-14 19:22:41 Garbee: It is used too, but you want to completely leave desktop stuff out.
2012-10-14 19:22:45 Grephix: lampe3: I know, but the server still has not figured out you have been disconencted
2012-10-14 19:22:47 Grephix: Ah, there it is
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2012-10-14 19:22:53 Garbee: I have seen some PHP stuff that does that kind fo check, but it is still pretty new.
2012-10-14 19:22:54 DONVODKI: hmmmm
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2012-10-14 19:23:05 Grephix: Garbee: and still not a 100% accurate
2012-10-14 19:23:22 Grephix: Still screws up in quite some situations
2012-10-14 19:23:29 Garbee: Grephix, Also true, plus the issue of what happen if the device orentation changes.
2012-10-14 19:23:30 DONVODKI: tumblr platform does have something
2012-10-14 19:23:37 Grephix: Exactly
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2012-10-14 19:23:40 Garbee: Then you don't have the proper stuff for the new view.
2012-10-14 19:23:49 lampe2: hmmm
2012-10-14 19:24:13 Garbee: Basically I think we are still at crossroads with that kind of tech.
2012-10-14 19:24:39 lampe2: yeah
2012-10-14 19:24:54 lampe2: but i like this kind of tech stuff :)
2012-10-14 19:25:23 Garbee: It has to be server-side though.
2012-10-14 19:25:34 Garbee: Which is where the accuracy problem comes in.
2012-10-14 19:25:40 DONVODKI: ahh
2012-10-14 19:25:51 Garbee: Unless perhaps we add some info to an HTTP request header.
2012-10-14 19:25:56 DONVODKI: media query helps a lot
2012-10-14 19:26:09 Garbee: DONVODKI, client side yes.  Not really the issue here.
2012-10-14 19:26:10 lampe2: DONVODKI, media query are client side
2012-10-14 19:26:23 Garbee: We don't ever want the extra data getting to the client.
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2012-10-14 19:26:39 DONVODKI: for now is what we got...
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2012-10-14 19:26:55 lampe2: i think a smart ajax call could be a good start
2012-10-14 19:26:58 Garbee: Basically we would need something added to the HTTP request header that tells the server supported device resolutions, then the server could use that info to send the proper stylesheet.
2012-10-14 19:27:00 DONVODKI: have you seen the tumblr theming code?
2012-10-14 19:27:18 Garbee: ajax could work.
2012-10-14 19:27:23 DONVODKI: really?
2012-10-14 19:27:25 Garbee: Then that would also not add headers.
2012-10-14 19:27:34 Garbee: Well, add header info.
2012-10-14 19:28:02 lampe2: yeah http header could be a solution too
2012-10-14 19:28:15 Garbee: Header would be a long-term super awesome one.
2012-10-14 19:28:31 Garbee: No extra coding client-side needed.
2012-10-14 19:28:42 Garbee: Transparent in all respects to the client.
2012-10-14 19:28:44 DONVODKI: interesting
2012-10-14 19:28:48 lampe2: yes and i think its smarter as media query
2012-10-14 19:29:45 Garbee: DONVODKI, Just in case you haven't gotten it yet.  Media Queries send *all* the data down to the client, then the client choses which rules to apply based on the query.  We don't want any extra information going to the client.
2012-10-14 19:29:57 Garbee: We want to target it server-side and send the exact informatoin needed.
2012-10-14 19:30:17 Garbee: It reduces bandwidth usage on both ends and cycles on the clients end.
2012-10-14 19:30:21 DONVODKI: i got you Garbee, thanks for explanation
2012-10-14 19:30:34 Garbee: Sorry it took a bit, was busy actually doing some thinking.
2012-10-14 19:31:04 DONVODKI: hehe
2012-10-14 19:31:07 Garbee: I think an extra header addition would be the way to go personally.  Would also be pretty easy to target in any given language.
2012-10-14 19:31:09 DONVODKI: im doing a sketch for my new website...
2012-10-14 19:31:15 lampe2: hmm maybe in the http header field Content-Type
2012-10-14 19:31:34 Garbee: I think the problem is getting browser vendors to do that kind of stuff.
2012-10-14 19:32:24 Garbee: Ok, that went offtopic too much.
2012-10-14 19:32:29 lampe2: yeah but i thought this platform is for this kinds of stuff :)
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2012-10-14 19:33:54 Garbee: Ah, no it is on topic.  Protocols were being talked about.
2012-10-14 19:34:09 Garbee: We are going to cover some of those at some point.
2012-10-14 19:34:22 Garbee: Not major right now since most devs don't really need that level of information.
2012-10-14 19:34:55 lampe2: i think its a future thing :)
2012-10-14 19:35:13 lampe2: with javascript you could do this right now: var os = navigator.platform;
2012-10-14 19:35:22 lampe2: and then if os bla do this
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2012-10-14 19:38:08 Garbee: Well, you need to get screen sizes for something like Android.
2012-10-14 19:38:15 Garbee: Where there are so many sizes.
2012-10-14 19:38:48 lampe2: ohhh yeah
2012-10-14 19:38:53 lampe2: i forgot that...
2012-10-14 19:38:57 Garbee: uh-huh.
2012-10-14 19:39:23 Garbee: Also it is faster to do it transparently server-side.  That way the client never has to do anything.
2012-10-14 19:39:32 Garbee: Except interpret the exact code.
2012-10-14 19:40:03 Garbee: Overall, adding a header to HTTP with screen size would be ideal.
2012-10-14 19:40:10 Garbee: er, header content.
2012-10-14 19:40:16 Garbee: I need to get that right.
2012-10-14 19:41:01 lampe2: yeah http header would be great
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2012-10-14 19:42:49 Garbee: You should be able to get screen resolution via javascript.  I just think it is hacky and could even be slower then just sending the extra bits.
2012-10-14 19:43:18 lampe2: yes this is the problem Garbee
2012-10-14 19:43:24 Damianz: can't css3 handle multiple sizes of stuff and just get delt with in the rendering on the client?
2012-10-14 19:43:46 Garbee: Damianz, I think you are referring to media queries.
2012-10-14 19:43:53 lampe2: Damianz, you got media querys
2012-10-14 19:44:04 lampe2: but we dont wanne send extra stuff to the client
2012-10-14 19:44:10 Garbee: This would actually be a way to avoid them.
2012-10-14 19:44:34 Damianz: as you can tell, I develop backend stuff and don't really care about pretty :D
2012-10-14 19:44:52 Garbee: lampe2, Actually, there is another problem with even doing header changes.
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2012-10-14 19:45:08 Garbee: What happens with dual montiors?
2012-10-14 19:45:14 Garbee: Moving a browser between them.
2012-10-14 19:45:18 lampe2: :D
2012-10-14 19:45:19 Garbee: Also, resizing a browser.
2012-10-14 19:45:32 lampe2: yeah resizing
2012-10-14 19:45:36 Garbee: Unless you hand desktop clients all the bits.
2012-10-14 19:45:46 Garbee: And target phones to just get what they need.
2012-10-14 19:46:03 Garbee: Either way, that is more work than just sending all the bits.
2012-10-14 19:46:21 Garbee: Yea, a few KB extra.  Could mean something if on 3G though.
2012-10-14 19:46:32 lampe2: depends on the size of the css
2012-10-14 19:46:44 Garbee: True.
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2012-10-14 19:47:18 Garbee: Oh well, nice chat but I have a few things I want to finish today.
2012-10-14 19:47:27 Garbee: Because I am a great procrastinator.
2012-10-14 19:49:10 Grephix: Garbee: very recognizable :<
2012-10-14 19:49:15 lampe2: :) no problem me too :D
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2012-10-14 19:52:09 Kradllit: Great chat, but why irc? I thought irc is dead
2012-10-14 19:52:21 Damianz: yes, irc is totally dead
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2012-10-14 19:52:32 lampe2: haha
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2012-10-14 19:53:03 lampe2: Kradllit, tell me a good alternative ? :)
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2012-10-14 19:53:14 Damianz: XMPP (don't get me started)
2012-10-14 19:53:56 Grephix: Kradllit: IRC and dead? It's still used daily on a global base mate :)
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2012-10-14 19:54:16 ravenzz: irc is awesome
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2012-10-14 19:54:43 Kradllit: Many information about jabber conference better then irc.
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2012-10-14 19:56:44 lampe2: yeah maybe xmpp is cool too but this is a kind of taste
2012-10-14 19:57:17 lampe2: I like IRC more :)
2012-10-14 19:59:38 lampe2: and irc is more minimal as xmpp
2012-10-14 20:00:54 lampe2: and i think there was a post that xmpp is very inefficient in one to many connections
2012-10-14 20:01:02 Kradllit: I have nothing against irc. Maybe it was wrong information :)  (Sorry for my English, i am from Ukraine)
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2012-10-14 20:03:58 lampe2: :)
2012-10-14 20:04:03 lampe2: your english is okay
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2012-10-14 20:11:43 ravenzz: do someone know what is the state of this silly bug in WebKit browsers which cause the images alt text to disappear if the element width is less than the text lenght?
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2012-10-14 20:15:26 lampe2: ravenzz, do you got an example ?
2012-10-14 20:17:27 Garbee: an image is 6px tall by 24px width and you have an alt name like "hereismyreallylongaltnamethatmakesnodamnsenseatall.whyareyoustillreadingthis?"   The alt text normally should show, but since the text is longer than the image it wouldn't display.
2012-10-14 20:17:34 Garbee: If I understand the bug properly.
2012-10-14 20:17:53 ravenzz: actually I found the bug report ticket, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5566 here is a quick example http://jsfiddle.net/gx6Wt/
2012-10-14 20:18:03 icaaq: Garbee: define show
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2012-10-14 20:18:17 ravenzz: still there
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2012-10-14 20:19:44 Garbee: icaaq, It should show the text.
2012-10-14 20:19:52 Garbee: That is the spec.  If no image found, display the alt text.
2012-10-14 20:20:05 lampe2: haha
2012-10-14 20:20:05 Garbee: That is why alt text is required.
2012-10-14 20:20:06 lampe2: what a strange bug :D
2012-10-14 20:20:14 Garbee: I love the last comment.
2012-10-14 20:20:22 ravenzz: what annoying bug I would say
2012-10-14 20:20:36 Garbee: That dude should get a +1 sticker.
2012-10-14 20:20:39 icaaq: yes, i understand now, didn't get it that it was a broken link
2012-10-14 20:21:44 lampe2: opera only says fag but not company...
2012-10-14 20:22:08 lampe2: only firefox gets it right ...
2012-10-14 20:22:31 ravenzz: exactly
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2012-10-14 20:24:43 lampe2: midori/chromium/chrome they all got the same error... and i know that they are all webkit based
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2012-10-14 20:26:29 ravenzz: => don't use images as logo
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2012-10-14 20:26:37 Damianz: well webkit is opensource so he could submit a patch then pull that patch into a custom build :D
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2012-10-14 20:26:47 lampe2: :D
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2012-10-14 20:28:40 gluxon: ravenzz: The only thing you can really do is find an alternative method, or help submit detail to get that bug fixed.
2012-10-14 20:28:45 David_Bradbury: CSS isn't meant for drawing graphics. If can be interesting for demo purposes, but shouldn't be done on an actual site.
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2012-10-14 20:28:57 ravenzz: gluxon well it is a known bug to me
2012-10-14 20:29:03 Garbee: Canvas then?
2012-10-14 20:29:04 ravenzz: just recalling
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2012-10-14 20:31:12 lampe2: David_Bradbury, i mean to include it as a image in css and then add the text behind the picture. like it was done with telephone numbers and emails once
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2012-10-14 20:31:45 NotTomato: Hey guys.
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2012-10-14 20:32:08 chris_cook: good evening
2012-10-14 20:32:13 chris_cook: or whatever time it is there
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2012-10-14 20:32:35 ravenzz: lampe2 it is called image replacement, which is still not that good
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2012-10-14 20:33:01 lampe2: i know that it is not good :)
2012-10-14 20:33:17 lampe2: but it is a fix for now
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2012-10-14 20:34:54 NotTomato: chris_cook, it's 2:30 pm. o;
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2012-10-14 20:35:15 chris_cook: greetings from the future then
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2012-10-14 20:36:04 lampe2: her it is 10:35 pm :)
2012-10-14 20:36:35 chris_cook: 9.35pm here, so you've got me beat
2012-10-14 20:37:15 lampe2: :)
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2012-10-14 20:45:17 chris_cook: does anyone know the purpose of the various tags in the source code of the docs pages, i.e. {{Standardization_Status|}} and {{API_Name}} ?
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2012-10-14 21:46:53 puppion: i love you, webplatformers
2012-10-14 21:48:41 Damianz gets puppion a room
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2012-10-14 22:47:18 lampe2: what i dont get why is getting everything down voted...
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2012-10-14 22:47:54 Damianz: people are mean
2012-10-14 22:48:41 Garbee: Define everything please.
2012-10-14 22:49:24 lampe2: i dont mean everything but there are a lot questions that got a minus infront of the number i think this is not fair
2012-10-14 22:49:49 lampe2: today it is better but some days ago it was more minus then plus
2012-10-14 22:50:04 Garbee: lampe2, It will get better.
2012-10-14 22:50:11 Garbee: I actually just had a discussion on this.
2012-10-14 22:50:17 lampe2: Garbee, ihope so
2012-10-14 22:50:23 Garbee: It is partially from the initial buzz of traffic.
2012-10-14 22:50:27 Garbee: People just being silly or whatever.
2012-10-14 22:50:47 Garbee: Now, or within a few days, most traffic will be from people trying to contribute, since the buzz is dieing down.
2012-10-14 22:50:58 lampe2: yeah thats maybe the problem
2012-10-14 22:51:03 Garbee: So the SNR will decrease along with increasing accuracy on things like voting.
2012-10-14 22:51:07 lampe2: i hope so ! i think its a great project
2012-10-14 22:51:18 Garbee: Yea.  It is just time.
2012-10-14 22:51:46 Garbee: Then in a few months once the docs improve, people will find us again somehow and then hopefully traffic will remain great for developers/designers wanting docs.
2012-10-14 22:51:53 phwd: Always thought questions were down voted because they were noise
2012-10-14 22:52:00 Garbee: Nah.
2012-10-14 22:52:07 Garbee: People downvote because they have nothing better to do.
2012-10-14 22:52:13 Garbee: Some are for being noise or out of place.
2012-10-14 22:52:22 Garbee: Honestly, that is where you flag.
2012-10-14 22:52:42 phwd: Then what is a downvote to be used for then?
2012-10-14 22:52:48 Garbee: People just didn't know how to use the system properly a few days ago.  Now we are starting to get things organized and things like the Q&A FAQ in place.
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2012-10-14 22:53:27 Garbee: downvote = something you don't agree with for an answer.  For a question the downvote should be used really only when it is a request or something and you agree or disagree.
2012-10-14 22:53:42 Garbee: Or you could downvote the question because it is too vague.
2012-10-14 22:53:54 Garbee: *cough* one I recently approved *cough*
2012-10-14 22:54:19 Garbee: Well, you won't know that part, but it is the one on "A good and free web design program for Mac OS"
2012-10-14 22:54:22 Damianz downvotes downvoting
2012-10-14 22:54:38 Garbee: Downvoting has its place, people just need to not use it stupidly.
2012-10-14 22:55:14 Garbee: Some were even saying to downvote and flag spam or offtopic stuff.  no no no, just flag.  The downvote is nothing and just a waste of time.
2012-10-14 22:55:25 phwd: How would they know not to use it *stupidly* if there is no tooltip explaining the purpose of a down vote @_@
2012-10-14 22:55:36 Garbee: Well, it is more common sense.
2012-10-14 22:55:51 Garbee: People are trying to get some rules in place though to explain it.
2012-10-14 22:56:01 Damianz: This is the internet, common sense is rejected at the firewall.
2012-10-14 22:56:22 phwd: It cannot be common sense @_@ votes are a subjective action unless there is clarification
2012-10-14 22:56:30 phwd watches reddit
2012-10-14 22:56:33 Garbee: I'm not dealing *too* much with Q&A at this time outside of modding, so I'm not really directly involved in that stuff since I'm leaving it to those that want to put their effort in that part.
2012-10-14 22:56:44 Garbee: Tomato coming to mind.
2012-10-14 22:57:13 Garbee: phwd, Well, it seems to be common sense to Tomato and myself...  Not sure about the rest of humanity.
2012-10-14 22:57:34 Garbee: But I agree, people do need to be told what purpose things serve.
2012-10-14 22:57:55 Garbee: But with the big buzz down, it shouldn't be a major issue again until people start visiting again.
2012-10-14 22:58:11 Garbee: I think that will be the true test of what we get done in between now and then.
2012-10-14 22:58:24 lampe2 is looking into concepts -> mobile web
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2012-10-14 22:58:38 Garbee: I have a little laundry list.
2012-10-14 22:58:44 Garbee: Dev tools is at the top though.
2012-10-14 23:00:19 lampe2: haha
2012-10-14 23:00:25 leaverou: I got some mentions here but my stupid client (Colloquy) doesn't go that far back. If anyone could let me know again, I'd be grateful. Thanks!
2012-10-14 23:00:32 lampe2: Garbee, look http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/Detecting_device_and_browser and then "Server-side detection"
2012-10-14 23:00:43 Garbee: leaverou, It was just a mis-mention I think.
2012-10-14 23:00:57 leaverou: Garbee: I heard the sound multiple successive times
2012-10-14 23:00:57 Garbee: It was someone trying to say hello to one person, but accidentally autocompleted your name by mistake.
2012-10-14 23:01:02 leaverou: ah ok
2012-10-14 23:01:05 leaverou: thanks
2012-10-14 23:01:22 Garbee: I can go check then.  Roughly what time frame should I start at?
2012-10-14 23:02:30 Garbee: lampe2, Yea, what about it?
2012-10-14 23:02:51 lampe2: Garbee, there is a js framework that does it
2012-10-14 23:03:05 lampe2: device.js and this does what we talked about
2012-10-14 23:03:12 Garbee: Ah
2012-10-14 23:03:17 Garbee: I still don't like the JS approach.
2012-10-14 23:03:33 Garbee: But, that is me being nit-picky.
2012-10-14 23:04:19 Damianz: Solution; make browsers send headers about the client so it can be done server side... in reality the info sent is crud so meh
2012-10-14 23:04:40 Garbee: leaverou, Yea, only the one mistype is in my logs from today.
2012-10-14 23:04:53 leaverou: cool, thx
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2012-10-14 23:05:31 Garbee: Damianz, That is why you send good info about resolution(s) if it were to be integrated that way.
2012-10-14 23:05:44 Garbee: A browser could get that info easily and add it to a header.
2012-10-14 23:05:54 Garbee: But we thought of other problems with that solution.
2012-10-14 23:07:05 Damianz: You could do a crap version of setting a cookie (oh wait, we're banned from using those) and forcing a refresh on the first load which switches from client side in js to server side then do some if stuff changes update logic... oh wow that's going to hurt later though
2012-10-14 23:07:16 Damianz: Also boo to idiots preventing adding state to a stateless protocol
2012-10-14 23:08:21 Garbee: ugh, force reload on first entry, sounds stupid to me.
2012-10-14 23:09:23 Damianz: it's currently the only real way to handle high res images for the new mbps afaik and yeah sucks... this is why I have guys that love making shiny so I don't have to care, just complain about suckness =D
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2012-10-14 23:17:31 lampe2: its hard to get a website runing on every resolution
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2012-10-14 23:18:31 lampe2: what would be cool for mobile if the browser would have some sort of default theme and you only must send the xml or json to them
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2012-10-14 23:20:48 lampe2: ehhh iam just a dreamer
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2012-10-14 23:32:43 __chris: i'd like that lampe2
2012-10-14 23:34:48 lampe2: __chris, yes but all vendors must do it then and this would be the hardest way besides there must be a standart how the json and xml look and we got this all ready its html :)
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2012-10-14 23:42:56 __chris: you could just make a simple json object browser
2012-10-14 23:43:18 __chris: dont need no vendors
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2012-10-14 23:46:01 lampe2: __chris, i could :D
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2012-10-14 23:47:01 __chris: i'd help you if i was any good objective
2012-10-14 23:48:50 lampe2: __chris, right now iam working on a project to make elearning courses in the browser and save them as xml or json so that it could be converted to every format :)
2012-10-14 23:49:44 __chris: nice, how is it coming along? I hear elearning will be big...
2012-10-14 23:50:57 lampe2: __chris, its in the earlie stage... we are looking for the best way to store the data cause we wanne make it so that you can tag everything with meta tags and then search for it and when you need it you could refernce it to a other course and so on
2012-10-14 23:51:18 lampe2: we are only 2 guys right now more manpower is needed
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2012-10-14 23:58:29 __chris: sounds difficult
2012-10-14 23:58:33 __chris: :)
2012-10-14 23:59:08 lampe2: __chris, yes it is :D
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2012-10-15 01:08:24 arkhi: Good morning!
2012-10-15 01:09:06 Ordona: Morning arkhi
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2012-10-15 01:11:03 DeviaVir: Good.. night? 3am here
2012-10-15 01:12:04 arkhi: Would “Good day” work with anything?
2012-10-15 01:12:23 DeviaVir: :) Would for me
2012-10-15 01:12:24 Garbee: Good {morning,afternoon,evening,night} is most accurate for IRC>
2012-10-15 01:12:47 DeviaVir: Haha, invalid json
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2012-10-15 01:13:21 Garbee: Only if your IRC log is retarted and stores information that gets interpreted.
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2012-10-15 01:13:55 DeviaVir: Well, that went from nice to rude real quick didn't it
2012-10-15 01:14:09 Garbee: It is only rude to bad IRC clients.
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2012-10-15 01:14:17 DeviaVir: I was actually joking
2012-10-15 01:14:19 Garbee: Because every other client is laughing at them.
2012-10-15 01:14:19 DeviaVir: but that's okay
2012-10-15 01:14:30 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-15 01:14:32 DeviaVir: I don't know of any IRC's that interpret JSON
2012-10-15 01:14:45 DeviaVir: did JSON exist in the IRC time? :P
2012-10-15 01:14:54 Garbee: I hope none exist, but if we see them on the playground can we kick them?
2012-10-15 01:15:05 DeviaVir: be my guest
2012-10-15 01:15:05 arkhi: Goood (morning|afternoon|evening|night)
2012-10-15 01:15:05 Garbee: It exists now, that is all that matters.
2012-10-15 01:15:10 DeviaVir: :)!
2012-10-15 01:15:14 Garbee: Good*
2012-10-15 01:15:17 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-15 01:15:37 arkhi: Garbee: Let’s be open to anything, you’re right.
2012-10-15 01:15:49 arkhi: It might be tea time o’clock somewhere.
2012-10-15 01:15:50 Garbee: Not always...
2012-10-15 01:16:04 Garbee: Ok then:
2012-10-15 01:16:05 Garbee: Good *
2012-10-15 01:16:11 Garbee: Problem solved.
2012-10-15 01:16:23 Ordona: At one point, there was an idea of "International greeting time" for IRC: user enter = morning, user leave = night
2012-10-15 01:16:56 arkhi: Next time, I will start with “Salutations!”
2012-10-15 01:16:59 arkhi: Problem solved.
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2012-10-15 01:17:12 Ordona: That works
2012-10-15 01:17:20 Garbee: I honestly tend to just avoid greetings all together.
2012-10-15 01:17:29 Garbee: This is the only room I do it in, and that is only for politeness.
2012-10-15 01:17:45 DeviaVir: I like that one Ordona
2012-10-15 01:17:45 Garbee: I may even stop with regulars and only do it for new nicks I see.
2012-10-15 01:18:20 Ordona: Er sorry, "universal greeting time"
2012-10-15 01:18:58 Garbee: Well, my list of emails I wanted to do today went from three to one, and that one is out. :)
2012-10-15 01:19:10 Garbee: And already getting some feedback too.
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2012-10-15 01:21:10 DeviaVir: Hm, what do you do for work Garbee?
2012-10-15 01:21:23 Garbee: "Freelance" computer work.
2012-10-15 01:23:00 DeviaVir: "Freelance", huh? Sounds.. cool ;)
2012-10-15 01:23:14 Ian__: Hi there. I'm wanting to just jump in and edit the wiki. What about the html/validation sub-topic? Can I just go in there, explain what validation is, put up a link to the W3C validator, and let that be a bit of help?
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2012-10-15 01:24:16 lampe2: Ian__, just edit :) there are a history on every articel so if you mess it up it can be cleand ;)
2012-10-15 01:24:44 Ian__: Excellent. Hope you're doing well.
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2012-10-15 01:28:41 Garbee: Ian__, Please do read the Getting Started guide though if you haven't already.
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2012-10-15 01:29:02 Garbee: Also, please converse:  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2227/should-we-be-flagging-duplicate-answers
2012-10-15 01:29:13 Garbee: (In the Q&A please so it is all together.)
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2012-10-15 01:31:33 Ian__: I'll do that. Thanks.
2012-10-15 01:33:45 Garbee: I actually think validation may do better as one page to cover HTML and CSS.  That way each are covered on one page.
2012-10-15 01:34:28 arkhi: Garbee: You mean “concept/validation”?
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2012-10-15 01:34:39 Garbee: arkhi, Thinking so yea.
2012-10-15 01:34:45 arkhi: I agree.
2012-10-15 01:34:52 Garbee: I'm looking in there now trying to figure out where best to place it.
2012-10-15 01:35:08 arkhi: I think there was a similar discussion about this recently…
2012-10-15 01:35:14 Garbee: Validation is nothing HTML specific and it shares almost all the same info with CSS.  So it trims down content duplication.
2012-10-15 01:35:14 arkhi: about a different topic.
2012-10-15 01:35:22 arkhi: Can’t put my finger on it though.
2012-10-15 01:35:30 arkhi: true Garbee
2012-10-15 01:35:41 Garbee: We have had two or three conversations on content placement today.
2012-10-15 01:35:53 Garbee: Always the same thing... Where do we put it?
2012-10-15 01:36:53 Garbee: The only real difference between the two concepts is outcome.  In HTML you want valid output.  In CSS achieving it is mostly counter-productive since you are going to use things that aren't standard.  (vendor prefixes)
2012-10-15 01:37:10 Garbee: So that is a note to make on the page, otherwise they all share the same concept.
2012-10-15 01:38:06 mike5w3c: Garbee: I don't think doing CSS validation is counter productive
2012-10-15 01:38:33 arkhi: Well… concept/validation, with specific topics to html/validation for the cases you just mentioned, and if the content is enough to be useful on a separate page.
2012-10-15 01:38:36 mike5w3c: the maintainers of the CSS validator have added a lot of CSS3 support to the validator this year
2012-10-15 01:38:39 Garbee: I think it should be done, but final code will tend to be invalid.  Just when validating remove vendor prefixes.
2012-10-15 01:38:55 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_validation   --already exists actually.
2012-10-15 01:39:30 mike5w3c: the CSS validator has a user option that lets you choose between having vendor prefixed properties treated as warnings instead of errors
2012-10-15 01:39:41 Garbee: Ah, ok.  I haven't seen that actually.
2012-10-15 01:39:43 arkhi: Garbee: What if vendor prefixes were generating warning instead of errors? That would already help CSS validation to be less scary / noisy. :)
2012-10-15 01:39:49 arkhi: (but that’s off topic, OK)
2012-10-15 01:39:57 Ian__: Okay, yeah, I was looking at the html page, and at the huge table of topics. html/validation was there, and when you go to it, there's nothing on the page.
2012-10-15 01:39:58 Garbee: arkhi, On topic actually.
2012-10-15 01:40:08 Garbee: Yea, that switch makes it much better then.
2012-10-15 01:41:14 Garbee: Having them as errors scares people from using them if they care about validation.  That will make "real" errors much more prevelent in the output, making the validator that much more useful.
2012-10-15 01:41:28 mike5w3c: there are still some bugs in the CSS validator for lack of support for some CSS3 features; e.g., it doesn't know about "marker" and "leader" and some other things. If you run into those, please file bugs
2012-10-15 01:41:28 Garbee: Real in quotes since vendor prefixes should be errors because it is retarded that we have so many.
2012-10-15 01:41:30 arkhi: Garbee: This is more of a topic about Standards and their implementation than documenting them…
2012-10-15 01:41:48 Garbee: arkhi, We will be documenting it at some point.
2012-10-15 01:41:57 Garbee: It is good information for developers to have.
2012-10-15 01:41:58 arkhi: Fair enough. :)
2012-10-15 01:42:29 Garbee: mike5w3c, Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I didn't know that switch has been added.  Which makes it so much more useful to me now.
2012-10-15 01:42:34 mike5w3c: also if you're going to have the page point a URL for a the markup validator, please point it to http://validator.w3.org/nu/ instead of http://validator.w3.org
2012-10-15 01:42:53 mike5w3c: Garbee: yeah that switch was just added a few months ago I think
2012-10-15 01:43:17 Garbee: Noted.  If I see any links for it I will update them.
2012-10-15 01:43:32 arkhi: mike5w3c: Wouldn’t it be better to archive the old one and keep the http://validator.w3.org/ for the latest version?
2012-10-15 01:43:47 Garbee: Ok, that would be why.  I haven't validated CSS since like February due to vendor prefixes clogging up the error output.
2012-10-15 01:44:12 mike5w3c: arkhi: yeah we're going to do that eventually, but not there yet. If it were up to me we would have already. But it's not just up to me.
2012-10-15 01:44:34 Garbee: I would squash some more of those bugs before putting that one in the spotlight.
2012-10-15 01:44:35 arkhi: Understood.
2012-10-15 01:45:11 Garbee: #css topic might need an update soon...
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2012-10-15 01:50:03 Bankzilla: Anyone know of a horizontal accordion that can fill up an entire page dynamically (height)? everything seems to run of fixed dimensions.
2012-10-15 01:50:59 Garbee: #web might be a good place to ask that one.  Although I would assume you could just build one on percentages.
2012-10-15 01:52:04 Bankzilla: Would like to see if there is already one out there with good computability before I start building one :)
2012-10-15 01:56:06 Garbee is knee deep in bug reports.  Sorry.
2012-10-15 01:56:24 Garbee: btw, have I mentioned my hatred of bugzilla in here yet?
2012-10-15 01:56:32 mdel: Garbee: it was assumed :)
2012-10-15 01:56:54 Garbee: Why is it when I submit a change I get redirected to a random bug?
2012-10-15 01:57:34 mdel: no idea, maybe it assumes you are trying to power through a bunch of them?
2012-10-15 01:57:53 arkhi: Garbee: Agreed; this is very confusing.
2012-10-15 01:59:03 Garbee: I'm trying to work on it.  The problem is it isn't moving for a while so we need to just put up with it.  Even if it moves onto the webplatform domain it may stay bugzilla for familiarity reasons.
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2012-10-15 03:27:19 paul_irish: wpdbot: hi
2012-10-15 03:28:10 Garbee: Paul, could this be one that we add to the todo list for people to do if they feel like it?  https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19265
2012-10-15 03:28:21 Garbee: I'm not quite sure, it looks like we could.
2012-10-15 03:29:02 paul_irish: that's like a bulk operation
2012-10-15 03:29:06 paul_irish: isnt it?
2012-10-15 03:29:27 Garbee: Not sure, haven't actually looked at the meta page.
2012-10-15 03:29:30 Garbee: Let me go take a look.
2012-10-15 03:30:23 Garbee: I can't even find the meta page.
2012-10-15 03:30:28 Garbee: well namespace.
2012-10-15 03:30:51 Garbee: ah, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:HTML/Elements
2012-10-15 03:31:55 Garbee: I'm not sure how you would script that without building full AI.  Which at that point we are just asking to be killed off by our creations.
2012-10-15 03:32:55 Garbee: I'd say we could look at doing it automatically somehow, if not then just break the content into chunks and everyone just grab one and cover it.
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2012-10-15 03:33:15 Garbee: So yea, not for the todo list.
2012-10-15 03:33:39 paul_irish: looking at this i dont undersatnd what the bug means
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2012-10-15 03:33:49 paul_irish: gosh i want to applpy a stylesheet to the bug tracker
2012-10-15 03:35:11 Garbee: It means, if I am understanding correctly, looking through the content in that Meta:HTML namespace like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:HTML/Elements  and comparing it to what was imported by the bots from other networks in the normal html/ pages like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements
2012-10-15 03:35:17 paul_irish: Garbee: i gotta work on a talk tonight
2012-10-15 03:35:19 Garbee: Find any missing information and import.
2012-10-15 03:35:22 paul_irish: ill catch up with you tmw
2012-10-15 03:35:29 paul_irish: (ah i see)
2012-10-15 03:35:31 Garbee: Alright, I was just wondering on that one bug.
2012-10-15 03:35:33 paul_irish: cool cool
2012-10-15 03:35:35 paul_irish: yup
2012-10-15 03:35:38 Garbee: Thanks.
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2012-10-15 04:12:17 Mecil9: hi guys
2012-10-15 04:18:16 Garbee: Hello.
2012-10-15 04:18:35 Garbee: Is there anything we can help you with?  Or at lest try to.
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2012-10-15 05:42:46 arkhi: There, here are some of mine…
2012-10-15 05:42:53 arkhi: Organising the wiki?
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2012-10-15 05:43:12 Garbee: Nah, cleaning the Q&A DB a bit.
2012-10-15 05:43:20 Garbee: By actually deleting hidden posts.
2012-10-15 05:43:28 Garbee: 90 minutes so far working on it.
2012-10-15 05:43:32 Garbee: :/  Still not odne.
2012-10-15 05:43:35 Garbee: done*
2012-10-15 05:43:46 Garbee: But, at least the scrollbar is looking normal now.
2012-10-15 05:43:57 Garbee: Still a bit smaller than normal.
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2012-10-15 05:47:02 arkhi: GG!
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2012-10-15 05:48:21 Garbee: Ryan_Lane1, Are you actually around?  I ran into a failed DB query when deleting an answer.
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2012-10-15 05:49:18 Garbee: arkhi, On top of that it is 1:50AM now here. :/  So it is really late for me.
2012-10-15 05:49:23 Garbee: and Varnish errors for all!
2012-10-15 05:49:33 Garbee: Or just once.
2012-10-15 05:50:16 Garbee: Yey, normal scollbar size is back.  I should be done in just a few minutes then.
2012-10-15 05:51:09 arkhi: Have some sleep… Unless you really have no client that expect you to deliver anything soon. ;)
2012-10-15 05:51:31 Garbee: I really don't have clients.  Just a brain that needs some sleep soon.
2012-10-15 05:51:41 Garbee: I will be getting there, but I got caught up doing this.
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2012-10-15 05:57:13 Garbee: All done.
2012-10-15 05:57:20 arkhi: Good night Garbee
2012-10-15 05:57:22 arkhi: ;)
2012-10-15 05:57:22 Garbee: At least the DB backups will be a few gigs lighter night.
2012-10-15 05:57:26 Garbee: ligher now*
2012-10-15 05:57:29 Garbee: lighter*
2012-10-15 05:57:32 Garbee: wow, too late for me.
2012-10-15 05:57:41 Garbee: I'm not heading out just yet...
2012-10-15 05:57:47 arkhi: 88!
2012-10-15 05:57:50 arkhi: Sorry
2012-10-15 05:57:53 arkhi: Bye bye!
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2012-10-15 06:02:10 andyfitz: wow,   not a small room at all
2012-10-15 06:02:33 Garbee: OoO, RedHat.
2012-10-15 06:02:38 Garbee: Hello.
2012-10-15 06:04:38 arkhi: Hello andyfitz
2012-10-15 06:05:49 andyfitz: Hi arkhi,  g'day Garbee
2012-10-15 06:06:22 andyfitz: Garbee:  does that get me some sort of open source karma?
2012-10-15 06:06:29 Garbee: It is not day for me and the past about 2 hours have been far from good...
2012-10-15 06:06:48 Garbee: andyfitz, It gets good thinking from me, that is for sure.
2012-10-15 06:07:08 andyfitz: i'll take it!
2012-10-15 06:07:56 Garbee: If it said Novell then.... Well, let's not go there.
2012-10-15 06:08:01 Garbee: ;)
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2012-10-15 06:08:29 andyfitz: heeyyyyyyy  they're allllright
2012-10-15 06:08:53 Garbee: My High School used their software/servers for the accounts and network storage.
2012-10-15 06:08:55 Garbee: It sucked.
2012-10-15 06:09:13 andyfitz worked for Novell/SUSE  not too long ago.   things like build.opensuse.org  and susestudio.com absolutely rock
2012-10-15 06:09:22 Garbee: Yea, those do.
2012-10-15 06:09:31 Garbee: I really like susestudio
2012-10-15 06:10:33 andyfitz: the 'other side' of SUSE/Novell is still a mystery to me.  the whole netware side… I'm not a sysadmin
2012-10-15 06:10:50 Garbee: But, their software for managing Windows systems and all at the level my school system had just stinks.  I had to rebuild some systems from time to time for my teacher, just stunk to do.
2012-10-15 06:11:05 Garbee: I can tell you, the other side needs some work.
2012-10-15 06:11:39 Garbee: It took me half of a 3 hour class just to get it all configured away properly.
2012-10-15 06:11:58 andyfitz: Good news for my employer and their partners I guess…   Anyway,  hows this channel been?  I'm a little late to the party at webplaform.org
2012-10-15 06:12:25 Garbee: I joined in at about 8PM (EST) on my time launch night, and it was insane.
2012-10-15 06:12:33 Garbee: It stayed pretty insane for a few days.
2012-10-15 06:12:40 Garbee: Died down over the past two ofc.
2012-10-15 06:12:48 arkhi: andyfitz: It’s a lot less noisy and a bit more productive since the webchat was switched off, afaik
2012-10-15 06:12:50 Garbee: Looks like what we have now will be roughly the normal.
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2012-10-15 06:13:16 Garbee: arkhi, More productive then you might think.  We also had a sidechannel for a while *just* on meta conversation.
2012-10-15 06:13:27 Garbee: Plenty happened there too.
2012-10-15 06:13:31 andyfitz: we're fresh out of the weekend and in the APAC timezone.  I'm guessing this is the quiet period
2012-10-15 06:13:40 arkhi: Garbee: That’s why I added “afaik”. :)
2012-10-15 06:13:52 Garbee: Sorry, still sleepy.
2012-10-15 06:13:56 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-15 06:14:00 arkhi: I can’t blame you.
2012-10-15 06:14:17 arkhi: Can anybody on this chan force you to go to bed? :)
2012-10-15 06:14:32 Garbee: andyfitz, This is roughly the leveling time.  Most traffic now will be from people actually wanting to contribute, with a few laggers.
2012-10-15 06:14:53 Garbee: I'm sure if some of the other Ops asked nicely I would do it.
2012-10-15 06:15:04 Garbee: Other than that...
2012-10-15 06:15:05 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-15 06:15:10 andyfitz: sign me up for the SVG love-in
2012-10-15 06:15:23 Damianz: The real magic is when the anon reads steadly climbs though word of mouth and editor traffic slowly climbs from readers
2012-10-15 06:15:27 Garbee: I'm heading out once I get something done in the docs.
2012-10-15 06:16:30 Garbee: Damianz, Did you know you sent me a CTCP request of some kind?
2012-10-15 06:16:41 Damianz: time
2012-10-15 06:16:44 Damianz: yes
2012-10-15 06:16:46 Damianz: I'm nosy
2012-10-15 06:16:47 Damianz: :P
2012-10-15 06:16:55 Garbee: Pleaes don't again.
2012-10-15 06:16:58 Garbee: please*
2012-10-15 06:17:15 Damianz: Hey, it's part of the protocol spec up to your client to respond or not >.>
2012-10-15 06:17:28 Garbee: What did you get btw?
2012-10-15 06:17:44 Damianz: 2am ish
2012-10-15 06:17:49 Garbee: ah, so it is right.
2012-10-15 06:18:01 Damianz: Redundant actually since if you time me the server is like 7hours behind my actual time heh <3 irssi proxy.
2012-10-15 06:18:01 Garbee: Or the ZNC bouncer I'm on is in the same time zone...
2012-10-15 06:18:28 As4xk: ZNC redirects ctcp requests to the client when your online :)
2012-10-15 06:18:33 Damianz: on another note
2012-10-15 06:18:37 Damianz -> work
2012-10-15 06:18:48 Garbee: Yea, looks like it just forwards everything.
2012-10-15 06:19:21 Garbee: Ok, no more CTCP stuff on my client.
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2012-10-15 06:26:28 Garbee: Ok, bugs are in the todo list.  I'm leaving now arkhi.
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2012-10-15 06:28:38 arkhi: Good night Garbee. :)
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2012-10-15 07:12:45 _WiZZarD: Good morning
2012-10-15 07:14:04 Grephix: Morning _WiZZarD :)
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2012-10-15 07:22:05 arkhi: et alii…
2012-10-15 07:22:07 arkhi: :)
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2012-10-15 07:43:40 desbenoit: the "Q&A" title is way better the "forum" :)
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2012-10-15 07:49:01 phryk: Okay, after clicking around webplatform.org I still have no clue what this is about. I have a hunch it might have to do with standardization?
2012-10-15 07:49:40 phryk: Anyways, I'm guessing a few people here understand proper HTTP and I have a question: Can the 'Content-Type' header be specified multiple times?
2012-10-15 07:50:46 phryk: Only related thing I found in the spec so far is "Multiple message-header fields with the same field-name MAY be present in a message if and only if the entire field-value for that header field is defined as a comma-separated list […]" But I can't exactly make out what that is supposed to mean.
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2012-10-15 08:06:50 arkhi: Sorry phryk… Can’t really help on the HTTP header and its implementation, but webplatform.org is mainly dealing with frontend dev, if that can answer your first question.
2012-10-15 08:07:22 arkhi: It’s a documentation that aims / will aim for pragmatic informations.
2012-10-15 08:07:29 arkhi: But still in alpha as of today…
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2012-10-15 08:10:08 phryk: arkhi: But documentation on exactly what? Frontend design patterns?
2012-10-15 08:10:19 arkhi: frontend design in general
2012-10-15 08:10:34 arkhi: be it concepts, implementation, etc.
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2012-10-15 08:10:59 arkhi: browser support, tutorials…
2012-10-15 08:11:30 arkhi: but maintained by community and W3C supported, along with other browser vendors and companies.
2012-10-15 08:12:14 phryk: Ah, sort of a "best practice" collection for state-of-the-art web applications?
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2012-10-15 08:12:43 arkhi: phryk: I guess you can see it that way, yeah.
2012-10-15 08:12:51 chrismills: morning, good people of webplatform. ;-)
2012-10-15 08:12:51 arkhi: Hello chrismills… Feeling better?
2012-10-15 08:13:03 chrismills: arkhi: I am feeling much better thanks.
2012-10-15 08:13:10 arkhi: Great!
2012-10-15 08:13:21 phryk: arkhi: Okay… The site is desperately in need of a better introduction paragraph then :P
2012-10-15 08:13:37 phryk: Good morning chrismills.
2012-10-15 08:13:49 chrismills: arkhi: I don't think it was flu after all - because I felt better the day after. I think I was just really over tired and had done too much
2012-10-15 08:13:54 chrismills: phryk: hey there!
2012-10-15 08:14:21 chrismills: are we talking about the webplatform.org homepage, and the fact that it doesn't really give much away on the homepage?
2012-10-15 08:14:41 phryk: arkhi: I kind of have a hard time not being sarcasting about a site like that being completely php-powered :P
2012-10-15 08:14:58 phryk: chrismills: Yes.
2012-10-15 08:15:09 chrismills: I am inclined to agree
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2012-10-15 08:15:22 phryk: I known it's alpha, but I guess the more feedback you get on that the higher it will get on your priority list :P
2012-10-15 08:15:22 chrismills: phryk: it's not the first time someone had said as much.
2012-10-15 08:15:33 chrismills: has*
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2012-10-15 08:16:05 chrismills: I unfortunately don't have the keys to edit the home page, but I'll will chase it up
2012-10-15 08:16:09 chrismills: I*
2012-10-15 08:16:22 phryk: Nice.
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2012-10-15 08:16:27 arkhi: Also, it really need a clarification about if support is available or not.
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2012-10-15 08:16:43 arkhi: Thinking about “my CSS doen’t work” type of questions.
2012-10-15 08:16:47 phryk: Yep.
2012-10-15 08:16:52 phryk: But for that there's #css :P
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2012-10-15 08:17:07 arkhi: Tell the World. ;)
2012-10-15 08:17:14 phryk: but for more general questions like "I'm not sure if I should use a columned text layout, any thought?" this might be nice.
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2012-10-15 08:17:45 chrismills: phryk: arkhi I think that's quite clear on the scope type stuff I've written, but we ought to write that clearky somewhere else. Like, on the Q&A front page ;-)
2012-10-15 08:19:10 phryk: "scope type stuff"?
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2012-10-15 08:20:29 chrismills: as in, what is off topic and on topic
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2012-10-15 08:21:01 chrismills: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic
2012-10-15 08:21:26 phryk: chrismills: Yeah, and I would totally have no damn clue how to get to that text from the front page :P
2012-10-15 08:23:54 chrismills: ;-)
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2012-10-15 08:31:28 asbjorn: I'd like to throw a note of support to phryk here... I think the structure of the documentation is getting good, but I think "getting to the docs" needs a different approach...
2012-10-15 08:33:17 ravenzz: at least there should be better categories, like CSS > Articles, CSS > Specs, CSS > Quick reference
2012-10-15 08:33:29 chrismills: asbjorn: it probably does, yes
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2012-10-15 08:33:53 ravenzz: and FAQ
2012-10-15 08:34:10 asbjorn: I suggested trying to make a "feature" type approach (storage, network, drawing, 3d, etc.) as a starting point... I see how that might be a HUGE feature set for these docs since they cover loads of features...
2012-10-15 08:34:23 chrismills: Please write up your suggestions and send them in. I am going to spend some time today writing a guide to editing/updating/writing a reference article, and a guide to referencing/updating/writing a tutorial
2012-10-15 08:34:39 chrismills: but I want to start improving the IA of the site asap
2012-10-15 08:34:57 chrismills: record them on bugs or a thread on the public mailing list
2012-10-15 08:35:07 chrismills: makes it easier to find than chatting on IRC ;-)
2012-10-15 08:35:17 asbjorn: chrismills: good, will do :-)
2012-10-15 08:35:24 chrismills: thanks!
2012-10-15 08:35:42 ravenzz: If it was a website of mine, I would have suspend the contributions until a set of content categorization guidelines where released
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2012-10-15 08:36:27 ravenzz: people keeps putting meat on it randomly
2012-10-15 08:36:37 chrismills: ravenzz: hrm, yes
2012-10-15 08:36:53 chrismills: I will add this information in my guides
2012-10-15 08:37:07 ravenzz: sweet :)
2012-10-15 08:37:22 chrismills: I want them to be useful to people creating new pages, as well as editing existing ones
2012-10-15 08:37:39 chrismills: BTW, I have moved Garbee's to do list page to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Most_Wanted_Tasks
2012-10-15 08:37:52 chrismills: Thought it had a nicer ring to it
2012-10-15 08:38:11 chrismills: This is where we should start posting specific tasks for people to help out with
2012-10-15 08:38:23 ravenzz: I see
2012-10-15 08:41:27 eighty4: Is there a reason why http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/CSS_background_images and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/using_css_background_images seems so similar?
2012-10-15 08:41:55 eighty4: also. They really should contain links to some great sprite creator scripts
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2012-10-15 08:44:07 ravenzz: oh marklar what an huge article
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2012-10-15 08:47:07 ravenzz: also having codestyle guidelines would be important
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2012-10-15 08:47:19 arkhi: ravenzz: I think there is…
2012-10-15 08:47:50 phryk: ravenzz: For that the python pep 8 might be a good model
2012-10-15 08:48:13 phryk: Anyways I'll kill my irc client, am at work and all that :P
2012-10-15 08:48:22 ravenzz: arkhi examples say the opposite :p
2012-10-15 08:48:30 arkhi: ravenzz: Would that help? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style
2012-10-15 08:49:25 arkhi: ravenzz: Those pages were imported from different sources (MS, Opera, Mozilla…), so the writing styles should be done manually now…
2012-10-15 08:49:42 arkhi: I think you have the sources where they come from at the bottom of the page.
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2012-10-15 08:50:36 ravenzz: kk
2012-10-15 08:52:35 ravenzz: arkhi I was talking about something like this https://github.com/necolas/idiomatic-css
2012-10-15 08:54:19 arkhi: mmm…
2012-10-15 08:54:56 arkhi: Something like this would fit in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Help:Contents
2012-10-15 08:56:17 arkhi: ravenzz: Can you record this as a bug or a thread on the public mailing list if it doesn’t exist yet?
2012-10-15 08:56:17 arkhi: chrismills: Do you know of anything similar to https://github.com/necolas/idiomatic-css in WPD?
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2012-10-15 08:59:02 chrismills: arkhi: gimme one sec - just finishing off something else. I'll be with you in a minute ;-)
2012-10-15 08:59:14 arkhi: Not in a rush, thanks. :)
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2012-10-15 09:18:08 chrismills: arkhi: so, you are looking for a CSS best practices type doc? We have a few bits contained in some of the articles, for example http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/getting_started_with_css, but we don't have anything exactly like this.
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2012-10-15 09:32:03 arkhi: I agree with ravenzz on this one…
2012-10-15 09:32:47 arkhi: In order to avoid a “user generated” coding‑style troll, defining some would be a good idea.
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2012-10-15 09:45:23 chrismills: arkhi we could just use necolas' guidelines
2012-10-15 09:46:49 arkhi: Cheers to that if license agrees…
2012-10-15 09:46:49 arkhi: I really need to dive into the site map in order to participate more…
2012-10-15 09:48:00 arkhi: So we should add a link into http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style
2012-10-15 09:48:00 arkhi: and this document would appear in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Coding_Conventions_CSS ?
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2012-10-15 09:48:34 chrismills: well, I think we should link to the version on github for now
2012-10-15 09:48:39 chrismills: until we work out what we are doing
2012-10-15 09:48:43 arkhi: OK
2012-10-15 09:48:44 desbenoit: congrats arkhi
2012-10-15 09:48:45 Arkkis: hmm, the current link color is quite close to the text color. I'm having issues seeing the links within the text
2012-10-15 09:49:17 chrismills: Arkkis I think you are right. Can you file a bug for this?
2012-10-15 09:49:27 Arkkis: sure, where does that happen?
2012-10-15 09:49:36 chrismills: http://goo.gl/bTTpT
2012-10-15 09:49:45 chrismills: thanks!
2012-10-15 09:49:49 Arkkis: ok, will do it now :)
2012-10-15 09:49:54 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-15 09:50:33 arkhi: mmm… Actually, there is already a link to http://styleguide.yahoo.com/
2012-10-15 09:50:35 Arkkis: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19371
2012-10-15 09:50:44 Arkkis: there was already a bug report about that
2012-10-15 09:51:06 chrismills: ah, i guess that includes to code too? I thought that just included the language ;-)
2012-10-15 09:51:07 arkhi: ha… Not the same… Sorry
2012-10-15 09:51:12 chrismills: ah, yes ;-)
2012-10-15 09:51:12 arkhi: Can't find it.
2012-10-15 09:51:27 desbenoit: Arkkis you're right: the contrast ratio between links and text is 1.2 it should be over 2.
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2012-10-15 09:51:52 Arkkis: desbenoit, could you add that bit about the contrast ratio to the bug I just linked?
2012-10-15 09:52:53 desbenoit: Arkkis I was doing that :)
2012-10-15 09:52:59 Arkkis: :)
2012-10-15 09:53:38 arkhi: I will look for the coding conventions thingy when I’m home…
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2012-10-15 09:53:52 Arkkis: desbenoit, what did you use to check the contrast ratio?
2012-10-15 09:54:14 desbenoit: the new tool by lea : http://leaverou.github.com/contrast-ratio/#%23256A84-on-%2358595B
2012-10-15 09:55:06 Arkkis: oh, that, I read about it on her blog but did not have time to try it yet
2012-10-15 09:55:22 Arkkis: she's excellent, I wonder if we could get her here too
2012-10-15 09:55:49 desbenoit: She's the one who designed WPD :)
2012-10-15 09:55:58 arkhi: :)
2012-10-15 09:56:02 Arkkis: hahaha, really?
2012-10-15 09:56:15 Arkkis: I was thinking that this seems like stuff she'd do
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2012-10-15 09:57:33 chrismills: Arkkis: yeah, Lea works full time for W3C dev rel, and has done a huge amount of work on WPD already ;-)
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2012-10-15 09:59:29 Arkkis: desbenoit, so, you used the tool to check background vs foreground tool to check colors between adjanced texts. Is there a spec somewhere that the contrast should be above 2 too, or did you just improvise?
2012-10-15 09:59:40 desbenoit: No spec.
2012-10-15 09:59:48 desbenoit: It's a rull I use currently
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2012-10-15 10:00:09 truckle: Hey, I wonder - are there any particular aggregators or blogs taht you guys keep track of to keep abreast of whats happening with web frameworks and libraries?
2012-10-15 10:00:44 Arkkis: I have a couple of weekly email things that I follow with RSS
2012-10-15 10:00:47 desbenoit: We need a spec about lisibility by the way. Accessibility is a bit short :)
2012-10-15 10:01:19 Arkkis: and then I have about 300 blogs that I follow
2012-10-15 10:01:48 dontcallmedom: doesn't WCAG2 requires contrast much higher than 2? http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/#visual-audio-contrast
2012-10-15 10:01:50 Arkkis: truckle, if you need some, I can see what are my current favorites
2012-10-15 10:02:01 dontcallmedom: (i.e. 4.5 for regular content, 3 for large text)
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2012-10-15 10:02:32 dontcallmedom: oh, you were talking about adjacent text, I guess, not foreground/background
2012-10-15 10:02:40 chrismills: OK guys, I'm gonna go offline for a bit, so I can get some of my guides written. Back later
2012-10-15 10:02:57 Arkkis: cya
2012-10-15 10:03:08 arkhi: bye chrismills
2012-10-15 10:03:14 chrismills: laters ;-)
2012-10-15 10:03:39 desbenoit: That's it dontcallmedom we're talking about normal text and "linked" text.
2012-10-15 10:03:44 truckle: Arkkis: would be interested to see :-)
2012-10-15 10:03:49 desbenoit: bye @chrismills
2012-10-15 10:03:54 truckle: 300 blogs!!
2012-10-15 10:03:58 desbenoit hugs Chanserv
2012-10-15 10:04:03 chrismills: there you go seb - don't let the power go to your head ;-)
2012-10-15 10:04:28 truckle: probably was more thinking something more single sourced heh
2012-10-15 10:04:35 chrismills: dontcallmedom: thanks for the mail thread about the IA for JS. we really need to get that sorted!
2012-10-15 10:04:40 Arkkis: truckle, yep, not all webdev related, but quite a large bunch of them, yes
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2012-10-15 10:04:47 truckle: I do have my own rss feed but i use it for small projects that wouldnt get any mainstream attention
2012-10-15 10:05:14 chrismills: ok, really off now. Drop me a DM if you need me
2012-10-15 10:06:14 Arkkis: truckle, I'll query you a bit later about some of my links
2012-10-15 10:06:18 Arkkis: if it's ok for you?
2012-10-15 10:06:38 Arkkis: <3 google reader
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2012-10-15 11:05:31 As4xk: chrismills: Are you better after a weekend?
2012-10-15 11:05:40 chrismills: As4xk: yes, thanks ;-)
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2012-10-15 12:44:44 ravenzz: who does have control over the CSS of the wiki?
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2012-10-15 12:45:34 chrismills: ravenzz: that's pretty much me, at least for the tutorial articles
2012-10-15 12:45:56 ravenzz: I am talking about the website itsef ?
2012-10-15 12:46:41 chrismills: Ah, ok ;-)
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2012-10-15 12:47:16 chrismills: ravenzz: it's generally Lea Verou and Doug Schepers sorting that out
2012-10-15 12:47:25 chrismills: if you have found a problem, file a bug
2012-10-15 12:47:33 ravenzz: ah ok
2012-10-15 12:48:18 ravenzz: thank you
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2012-10-15 12:51:02 shepazu: morning, folks
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2012-10-15 12:52:11 chrismills: shepazu:  yo!
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2012-10-15 12:54:02 Sandkorn: uh, thanks to whoever added me to chanserv's list btw. =)
2012-10-15 12:55:20 mdel: mornin'
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2012-10-15 12:55:43 chrismills: Sandkorn: you've welcome...
2012-10-15 12:55:50 chrismills: you're*
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2012-10-15 12:56:00 Sandkorn: *bows*
2012-10-15 12:56:35 mdel: ah, same here chris. thanks!
2012-10-15 12:58:12 asbjorn: chrismills: article looks good! :-)
2012-10-15 12:58:40 chrismills: asbjorn: cool! I'd love someone to try using, and let me know if it is ok.
2012-10-15 12:58:45 chrismills: using it*
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2012-10-15 13:00:54 desbenoit: chrismills great article.
2012-10-15 13:01:18 chrismills: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Tutorials_and_concept_articles
2012-10-15 13:01:48 desbenoit: It looks like there's a numerotation issue in the summary
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2012-10-15 13:08:16 arkhi: chrismills: on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/ > "Other/Basic"
2012-10-15 13:08:18 arkhi: Should I enter "WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css" in the input to create a page that will be accessible at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css ?
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2012-10-15 13:08:46 chrismills: arkhi: you got it.
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2012-10-15 13:12:48 arkhi: Thanks... I wasn't sure what would be auto-generated or not. :)
2012-10-15 13:13:06 desbenoit: chrismills it goes by 1.1 - 1.2 1 - 1.3 2 - 1.4 3 -[...]
2012-10-15 13:13:19 arkhi: Hello | Salut desbenoit. :)
2012-10-15 13:13:49 desbenoit: Bonjour arkhi !
2012-10-15 13:14:01 arkhi: desbenoit: chrismills is not connected.
2012-10-15 13:14:44 desbenoit: Arf
2012-10-15 13:14:50 desbenoit: I'll send an email
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2012-10-15 13:26:33 arkhi: wondering if I should create WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/html or WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/markup
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2012-10-15 13:31:00 ravenzz: html is the best choice imo, noobs would understand it better
2012-10-15 13:31:24 mike5w3c: arkhi: what ravenzz said :-)
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2012-10-15 13:31:53 arkhi: Maybe I wasn't here... Or is it on a mailing list?
2012-10-15 13:32:03 arkhi: ha...
2012-10-15 13:32:22 arkhi: sorry... :)
2012-10-15 13:32:58 mike5w3c: :)
2012-10-15 13:33:30 arkhi: oki dokie
2012-10-15 13:33:30 arkhi: (ravenzz has a very light color on my chan log :p )
2012-10-15 13:33:33 arkhi: I was thinking about SVG and the like...
2012-10-15 13:33:33 arkhi: I mean, I suppose SVG way of writing code will not differ from HTML, would it?
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2012-10-15 13:34:31 mike5w3c: arkhi: maybe but IMHO it's not very useful to have a generic "markup" category
2012-10-15 13:34:43 mike5w3c: much more useful to have specific categories for each
2012-10-15 13:34:48 mike5w3c: and anyway it's a short list
2012-10-15 13:34:53 mike5w3c: html, svg, mathml
2012-10-15 13:35:09 nzaccardi: Good morning folks!
2012-10-15 13:35:10 mike5w3c: and the html category can reference the svg and mathml ones
2012-10-15 13:35:32 nzaccardi: Garbee: You were promoted... nice.
2012-10-15 13:35:40 arkhi: ravenzz: I sent a mail to ecolas and putting https://github.com/necolas/idiomatic-css into http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css
2012-10-15 13:35:41 arkhi: necolas*
2012-10-15 13:35:41 arkhi: OK mike5w3c
2012-10-15 13:40:47 Garbee: This is why I shouldn't go to bed...  Too much logs!
2012-10-15 13:41:29 arkhi: :) Garbee
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2012-10-15 13:42:57 Garbee: eighty4, "sprite script creators" probably more for dev tools section or a section within CSS about image sprites.
2012-10-15 13:44:23 ravenzz: arkhi cool
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2012-10-15 13:51:04 plamoni: Is there a standard format for ECMAScript citations on wp.org docs?
2012-10-15 13:51:41 plamoni: and/or a go-to site for linking to specific sections of the specs?
2012-10-15 13:51:59 arkhi: Not yet plamoni, I think.
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2012-10-15 13:52:23 plamoni: I'm not much of a wiki-veteran… can i get a suggestion?
2012-10-15 13:52:26 plamoni: :-)
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2012-10-15 13:55:32 Garbee: ravenzz, They are working on getting full site code with skin theme open for edits/patch submissions.  It will be a while though it seems.
2012-10-15 13:57:25 Garbee: arkhi, Code Style Guides have also been brought up. I'm getting an email out today about them if there isn't one already done.
2012-10-15 13:58:09 arkhi: Well, there will be at least two stubs.
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2012-10-15 14:03:38 plamoni: code style would be great
2012-10-15 14:04:02 Garbee: I have told some preliminarily to just use jQuery's for javascript stuff.
2012-10-15 14:04:04 plamoni: i'm doing some cleanup on the JavaScript Values article and even within a single page code style is all over the map
2012-10-15 14:04:05 plamoni: :-)
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2012-10-15 14:04:15 arkhi: I'm writing some for CSS, plamoni
2012-10-15 14:04:32 Garbee: http://docs.jquery.com/JQuery_Core_Style_Guidelines
2012-10-15 14:04:37 plamoni: Thanks Garbee
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2012-10-15 14:04:54 Garbee: Yea.  People who actually are doing it like that much more than idiomatic js. ;)
2012-10-15 14:05:12 Garbee: So, I just told them to use that until it can be brought up and decided on.
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2012-10-15 14:06:28 plamoni: one question not addressed by that, Garbee: When noting the value of an expression, how would you like to see that handled?
2012-10-15 14:06:33 Garbee: arkhi, CSS/HTML are two much needed ones if you could get them done.  Google has a great resource on their HTML style guide which I was thinking of pulling some if not most of our guide from.
2012-10-15 14:06:33 plamoni: for example
2012-10-15 14:06:42 plamoni: let's say "x" is 5
2012-10-15 14:06:48 plamoni: x; //returns 5
2012-10-15 14:06:50 plamoni: x; //is 5
2012-10-15 14:06:58 plamoni: console.log(x); //prints 5
2012-10-15 14:07:09 plamoni: x; //=> 5
2012-10-15 14:07:30 arkhi: Garbee: I try to do something for CSS, but I'll need to go pretty soon.
2012-10-15 14:07:31 arkhi: (I'm supposed to be gone, actually :) )
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2012-10-15 14:07:45 Garbee: I would say *is*, but I'm not a js person either.
2012-10-15 14:07:51 plamoni: which seems best? I'm a fan of number 2, but numbers 1 and 3 seems ot be most common
2012-10-15 14:08:05 plamoni: I'm with you :-)
2012-10-15 14:08:18 plamoni: seem to*
2012-10-15 14:08:22 Garbee: Because I don't think x; technically returns anything.
2012-10-15 14:08:32 Garbee: that is console.log(x) that will return it in a way that could be seen.
2012-10-15 14:08:33 plamoni: agreed
2012-10-15 14:08:43 plamoni: i don't like console.log
2012-10-15 14:08:43 Garbee: I would also not say prints.
2012-10-15 14:08:52 plamoni: because it doesn't work in older IE without the dev tools open
2012-10-15 14:08:55 Garbee: I would say returns 5 into the log
2012-10-15 14:08:59 arkhi: +1 for #2
2012-10-15 14:09:11 eighty4: plamoni: that's always a fun problem, forgetting a single console.log...
2012-10-15 14:09:21 plamoni: eighty4: agreed :-)
2012-10-15 14:09:54 Garbee: I have had an issue with older IE and JS.  I just blocked it from user registration since it isn't a high priority for me to debug and fix that.
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2012-10-15 14:10:29 plamoni: Okay, I'm going with "//is 5" until someone tells me otherwise ;-)
2012-10-15 14:10:51 Garbee: plamoni, Yea, I don't think anyone except a super-technical person would complain.
2012-10-15 14:11:10 Garbee: At that point, they may have a valid reason to change it.  Until then though...
2012-10-15 14:11:35 Garbee: Even then I would love to see a technical argument against "is" in that case.
2012-10-15 14:11:49 plamoni: haha, me too
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2012-10-15 14:12:22 plamoni: i give JS presentations at work and I use "//is"
2012-10-15 14:12:27 plamoni: it's nice and short
2012-10-15 14:12:33 plamoni: so it fits in powerpoint slides well ;-)
2012-10-15 14:12:40 plamoni: and it's obvious what it means
2012-10-15 14:16:32 NotTomato: Good morning.
2012-10-15 14:16:43 NotTomato: Woah I'm OP in here.
2012-10-15 14:17:11 arkhi: Good morning NotTomato
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2012-10-15 14:21:02 NotTomato: Morning arkhi~
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2012-10-15 14:48:02 arkhi: ravenzz: There you go with a first shot: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css
2012-10-15 14:48:08 arkhi: Now to bed. :)
2012-10-15 14:48:35 arkhi: Good night / day / teat time, all...
2012-10-15 14:48:52 Sandkorn: nice.
2012-10-15 14:48:57 Sandkorn: nightynight
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2012-10-15 14:49:19 NotTomato: Night arkhi.
2012-10-15 14:49:48 desbenoit: Bonne nuit arkhi !
2012-10-15 14:50:01 desbenoit: Bonjour NotTomato
2012-10-15 14:50:48 NotTomato: Hi desbenoit!
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2012-10-15 15:01:27 plamoni: Just did a bunch of cleanup on: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/values
2012-10-15 15:03:06 plamoni: One question I had is: What's our stance on JavaScript "versions"? They're a manifestation of Mozilla, not part of the ECMAScript standard… since we're focused on web standards, I would think we'd want to avoid them… but they're mentioned quite a bit throughout MDN-sourced docs...
2012-10-15 15:03:20 plamoni: (e.g. "JavaScript 1.5")
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2012-10-15 15:05:57 Garbee: That will take someone greater than I to answer.  Because I have no clue.
2012-10-15 15:06:29 plamoni: poor Garbee…. I've done nothing but as JS questions all morning :-)
2012-10-15 15:06:41 plamoni: here, let me think of a CSS question or two
2012-10-15 15:06:42 Garbee: Paul does plenty of JS stuff, so I will ask him next time I see him what he thinks on it.
2012-10-15 15:06:42 plamoni: ;-)
2012-10-15 15:06:55 Garbee: Yea, I'm not a JS person.  I actually despise coding it at all.
2012-10-15 15:07:29 plamoni: that's sad… you should watch Crockford on JavaScript… then you will want to code nothing else for the rest of your days
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2012-10-15 15:11:31 NotTomato: Hi fr0zenice.
2012-10-15 15:11:36 fr0zenice: hello!
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2012-10-15 15:13:30 chrismills: !bungle7890
2012-10-15 15:13:31 wpdbot: I'm sorry, chrismills, I do not understand "bungle7890".
2012-10-15 15:13:51 Garbee: Hey Chris.
2012-10-15 15:14:10 chrismills: damn - that command didn't work ;-)
2012-10-15 15:14:18 chrismills: Hi Garbee!
2012-10-15 15:14:25 NotTomato: Hi chrismills.
2012-10-15 15:14:35 chrismills: NotTomato: hey!
2012-10-15 15:14:51 fr0zenice: hello ^.+$
2012-10-15 15:15:01 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-15 15:15:08 NotTomato: Pretty soon there's going to be more OPs than users.
2012-10-15 15:15:11 Garbee: Thanks for moving that page btw.  I made it just real fast and didn't give to much thinking to the name.
2012-10-15 15:15:12 chrismills: ;-)
2012-10-15 15:15:18 chrismills: nice to have good coverage
2012-10-15 15:15:32 Garbee: Yea, at least now there are some that are here when most of the normal Ops I see are asleep.
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2012-10-15 15:19:31 _WiZZarD: I never sleep!
2012-10-15 15:19:38 _WiZZarD: I'm jjust afk a lot ;)
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2012-10-15 15:20:44 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2227/should-we-be-flagging-duplicate-answers    --Please discuss.  I have no real idea what to way to go here.
2012-10-15 15:20:45 Sandkorn: afk is an acronym for "working on WPF" .. i suppose
2012-10-15 15:21:42 NotTomato: I have been closing duplicates when I can, I realize there's a lot but I think we're suppose to be deleting them.
2012-10-15 15:21:44 NotTomato: As far as I know.
2012-10-15 15:21:55 Garbee: This is about answers, not the questions.
2012-10-15 15:22:04 NotTomato: Oh duplicate answers.. hmm.
2012-10-15 15:22:12 NotTomato: I have only deleted "exact" duplicates.
2012-10-15 15:22:28 NotTomato: It might be helpful for people who don't like searching.
2012-10-15 15:22:39 NotTomato: where's shepazu when you need him~
2012-10-15 15:22:50 shepazu: he's right here!
2012-10-15 15:22:54 Garbee: I would say "In the future, yes.  Anything here now, no."  Plus make sure the content is exactly duplicate and no new information is being relayed.
2012-10-15 15:23:40 Garbee: That thread can just sit for all I care.  But then again I am the one who cleaned out all the hidden stuff of as of last night so I am biased to doing mass removal again.
2012-10-15 15:23:43 NotTomato: thank goodness shepazu, there's a crisis.
2012-10-15 15:23:44 shepazu: yeah, seems reasonable
2012-10-15 15:23:53 shepazu: a crisis!?
2012-10-15 15:24:04 Garbee: Yea, this Tomato guy keeps spamming!
2012-10-15 15:24:06 NotTomato: Q&A duplicate answer crisis!!
2012-10-15 15:24:12 shepazu: nooooooo!
2012-10-15 15:24:31 shepazu: NotTomato: can you summarize and provide links?
2012-10-15 15:24:34 eternicode: I'm for flagging dupes, but like Garbee said in the Q, it's difficult to expect the average user to be able to effectively distinguish between a duplicate and a similar answer.
2012-10-15 15:24:51 NotTomato: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2227/should-we-be-flagging-duplicate-answers Garbee was just asking about this shepazu
2012-10-15 15:24:58 Garbee: I think if it is an easy duplicate (like the thread pointed to is) then it should be simple enough.
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2012-10-15 15:25:04 Garbee: But for elaborate answers...
2012-10-15 15:25:32 eternicode: so maybe "Yes, for obvious duplicates"?
2012-10-15 15:25:50 Garbee: I just feel like long form answers should just be left.  It could relay the exact same information, but just be worded differently.  Which the different wording could help different people.
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2012-10-15 15:26:01 Garbee: Yea, but lets still not touch that thread pointed to.
2012-10-15 15:26:17 Garbee: Just from here on out, lets mark obvious duplicates.  Anything else, let it be.
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2012-10-15 15:27:16 Garbee: I'm writing up a comment now for it.
2012-10-15 15:27:23 fr0zenice: gah, freenode outage, good thing we have a chatlog!
2012-10-15 15:27:34 Garbee: Will probably leave it open for discussion for a while and then close it in a few days.
2012-10-15 15:27:53 eternicode: woah, how did I lose 600 pts in the forum o_0
2012-10-15 15:28:02 Garbee: eternicode, Me cleaning last night.
2012-10-15 15:28:02 spindritf: *.net *.split
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2012-10-15 15:28:12 eternicode: ah
2012-10-15 15:28:12 eternicode: freaky
2012-10-15 15:28:12 Garbee: A lot of people lost a lot of points in me cleaning house.
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2012-10-15 15:28:27 Garbee: You shouldn't see that massive of a drop again.
2012-10-15 15:28:29 shepazu: Garbee, NotTomato, I'm not sure I see the problem…
2012-10-15 15:28:44 shepazu: so there are duplicates… so what?
2012-10-15 15:29:06 Garbee: People should use the vote system vs just posting to have a post.
2012-10-15 15:29:18 shepazu: Garbee: ouch.
2012-10-15 15:29:34 shepazu: let's nto get too prescriptive here
2012-10-15 15:29:47 Garbee: I think is what most of this early stuff is, just posting to post.  Later on it will level out.
2012-10-15 15:29:55 Garbee: that is*
2012-10-15 15:29:56 NotTomato: shepazu, I assumed it would be your call on if we should be deleting duplicates or not, but everyone seems to have figured it out themselves. o;
2012-10-15 15:30:21 NotTomato: shepazu, crisis clear, I think it's okay now.
2012-10-15 15:30:47 shepazu: I don't see any harm in letting people post duplicates, and I see a lot of harm in people feeling like they aren't free to post
2012-10-15 15:31:08 shepazu: we don't need to be control freaks about this
2012-10-15 15:31:12 Garbee: So officially "Just let it be."
2012-10-15 15:31:13 Garbee: ?
2012-10-15 15:31:21 shepazu: in fact, it won't work if we are control freaks
2012-10-15 15:31:26 shepazu: yes, please
2012-10-15 15:31:34 Garbee: Yea, I really think that it will just work itself out.
2012-10-15 15:31:44 fr0zenice: Got another one about Q&A. Any opinions on sorting answer by votes instead of timestamp?
2012-10-15 15:32:21 shepazu: fr0zenice: does the interface let user choose the sorting themselves?
2012-10-15 15:32:29 fr0zenice: I don't think so
2012-10-15 15:32:32 shepazu: :(
2012-10-15 15:32:33 Garbee: I was thinking last night as I cleaned up the Q&A stuff that almost all of it is just from the buzz.  We should really be waiting a few weeks before deciding on all this little management stuff.  Time will take care of most of it for us.
2012-10-15 15:32:36 NotTomato: My opinion is people are bad at down voting and up voting, but letting them choose how to sort it would work well.
2012-10-15 15:32:51 NotTomato: Forcing it might be bad though just because they are kinda bad at using their down votes.
2012-10-15 15:32:59 Garbee: We can flip a switch for votes vs timestamps.
2012-10-15 15:33:26 fr0zenice: Yeah that one I saw, I'll check the options again, in case I really missed a config for "let user choose" or something...
2012-10-15 15:33:33 Garbee: NotTomato, Having a little helping guide is fine.  Although it shouldn't be used as absolute rule.
2012-10-15 15:34:02 NotTomato: Yeah I know, I don't care about the rules.
2012-10-15 15:34:12 NotTomato: I was just mentioning that people don't really use their down votes to down vote bad content.
2012-10-15 15:34:15 NotTomato: Just stuff they don't like.
2012-10-15 15:34:26 Garbee: That is a valid use.
2012-10-15 15:35:04 NotTomato: Content gets lost, like if I posted a question where my english wasn't that good, it would be down voted even though the question might be perfectly fine.
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2012-10-15 15:39:22 NotTomato: shepazu, new crisis, whenever you aren't busy, can you fix the little "T" in Chat? I'm sure it's been mentioned to you but I thought I would ask.
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2012-10-15 15:39:33 Garbee: Is Isuru currently an Admin?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Isuru
2012-10-15 15:39:52 Garbee: OH wait, I just remembered how to find the group page.
2012-10-15 15:40:08 chrismills: Garbee: nope, he isn't
2012-10-15 15:40:12 NotTomato: it has*
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2012-10-15 15:40:46 Garbee: chrismills, Ok.  He seems to be doing fine in the Q&A, so could be someone to watch to possibly moderate that area of the site if they wish to do so.
2012-10-15 15:40:50 NotTomato: chrismills, did Waldir ever come around?
2012-10-15 15:41:11 chrismills: Garbee: cool
2012-10-15 15:41:18 chrismills: NotTomato: ummmm, Waldir?
2012-10-15 15:41:21 NotTomato: Also sorry to ask this, but why does Waldir have beureaucrat rights?
2012-10-15 15:41:27 Garbee: I have seen that nick once or twice.
2012-10-15 15:41:30 NotTomato: bureaucrat*
2012-10-15 15:41:43 chrismills: i don;t know
2012-10-15 15:41:49 NotTomato: Waldir is a volunteer admin who came around for one day and hasn't shown up.
2012-10-15 15:41:56 NotTomato: For some reason he has bureaucrat rights.
2012-10-15 15:42:09 NotTomato: I was just curious if anyone else saw him.
2012-10-15 15:42:13 chrismills: not I
2012-10-15 15:42:41 Garbee: I saw the nick in here once over the wekeend for a few minutes iirc.  Let me check my logs.
2012-10-15 15:42:57 shepazu: NotTomato:  little "T" in Chat?
2012-10-15 15:42:58 Garbee: Didn't say or do anything that I know of.
2012-10-15 15:43:01 chrismills: Anyway, I'm ducking my head down again. I've got loads of writing to do this week for Opera stuff, and only this week to do it ;-)
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2012-10-15 15:43:18 Garbee: Have fun.
2012-10-15 15:43:19 chrismills: And I need to leave in 2 hours to go rehearse with my band. Yipes!
2012-10-15 15:43:31 NotTomato: shepazu,  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page top bar, "Docs" "Q&A" "CHAT"
2012-10-15 15:43:33 chrismills: take care dude(tte)s
2012-10-15 15:43:37 NotTomato: The "T" is smaller than the rest of the font.
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2012-10-15 15:43:40 Sandkorn: lets hope that include something to support mp4 within your browser.. :>
2012-10-15 15:43:55 Garbee: Oh, Paul asked me *if* I had seen waldir.
2012-10-15 15:43:59 Garbee: That is what it was.
2012-10-15 15:44:22 Garbee: So yea.  Those rights might need to be looked at then...
2012-10-15 15:44:43 NotTomato: Did you find it shepazu?
2012-10-15 15:45:06 Garbee: The CHAT link in the menu.
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2012-10-15 15:45:10 NotTomato: http://i.imgur.com/dTK5C.png
2012-10-15 15:45:43 mdel: that is strange
2012-10-15 15:45:53 NotTomato: I know other users can see it.
2012-10-15 15:45:59 NotTomato: I saw someone reporting it the first day the site opened.
2012-10-15 15:46:01 mdel: looks ok on a mac/chrome
2012-10-15 15:46:02 NotTomato: ):
2012-10-15 15:46:02 shepazu: NotTomato: I think that's an artifact of your browser...
2012-10-15 15:46:20 NotTomato: I don't know, I saw other people talking about it, so I figured it wasn't my browser.
2012-10-15 15:46:27 fr0zenice: Looks odd in my FF/Chrome, too.
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2012-10-15 15:46:29 shepazu: what browser/OS?
2012-10-15 15:46:36 Garbee: Chrome/Windows it does it.
2012-10-15 15:46:38 Sandkorn: fine in FF/Chromium here
2012-10-15 15:46:39 fr0zenice: win7 here
2012-10-15 15:46:39 Garbee: IE10 Windows it does not.
2012-10-15 15:46:41 NotTomato: I can see it on firefox and chrome.
2012-10-15 15:46:49 shepazu: Sandkorn: you on mac?
2012-10-15 15:46:53 Sandkorn: Linux
2012-10-15 15:47:00 mdel: I have the most font issues in Ubuntu, actually
2012-10-15 15:47:15 Garbee: There should be a bug report already for it.
2012-10-15 15:47:16 shepazu: seems like maybe that's some strange Windows thing?
2012-10-15 15:47:22 NotTomato: Hmm.
2012-10-15 15:47:23 shepazu: Garbee: url?
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2012-10-15 15:47:45 shepazu: I can't think of a logical reason for it…
2012-10-15 15:48:03 shepazu: in the DOM, the string is "CHAT"
2012-10-15 15:48:15 NotTomato: That's really strange.
2012-10-15 15:48:25 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/
2012-10-15 15:48:26 mdel: it has to be font artifacts, I see stuff like that often
2012-10-15 15:48:49 shepazu: no, I mean bug url :)
2012-10-15 15:48:58 Garbee: OH, still searching on that one.
2012-10-15 15:49:01 fr0zenice: Some info here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19369
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2012-10-15 15:50:07 Garbee: No bug report directly for that issue, but the text rendering issues could include it.
2012-10-15 15:50:46 Garbee: Actually that report is looking at it.
2012-10-15 15:50:55 Garbee: And a few other issues.
2012-10-15 15:51:14 shepazu: ugh
2012-10-15 15:51:18 shepazu: how strange
2012-10-15 15:51:35 shepazu: well, we'll have to look at that one more deeply
2012-10-15 15:51:37 desbenoit: Hmm, can i look at the css?
2012-10-15 15:51:55 desbenoit: I try from the code but can't open it from firebug.
2012-10-15 15:51:57 Garbee: I wonder if using lowercase and text-transform: uppercase; would help...
2012-10-15 15:52:18 Garbee: desbenoit, The source isn't on a repo yet. :/
2012-10-15 15:52:34 desbenoit: garbee ok
2012-10-15 15:52:37 fr0zenice: it doesn't
2012-10-15 15:52:45 Garbee: desbenoit, You can view source and get it via the link there.
2012-10-15 15:52:49 Garbee: http://blog.webplatform.org/wp-content/themes/webplatform/style.css
2012-10-15 15:53:01 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/qa-theme/webplatform/qa-styles.css?1.5.2
2012-10-15 15:53:19 fr0zenice: So there seems to be no way to let the user choose the sorting of answers, I also checked Q2A Q&A. :/
2012-10-15 15:53:38 desbenoit: @garbee thanks
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2012-10-15 15:53:52 NotTomato: fr0zenice, I couldn't find any way to sort either, I thought I was missing something.
2012-10-15 15:54:09 fr0zenice: Yeah, there's only the admin option that forces it for everybody.
2012-10-15 15:54:58 desbenoit: For webkit typo issues a  -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; in the body should do the trick
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2012-10-15 15:55:37 fr0zenice: still looks the same
2012-10-15 15:55:38 shepazu: desbenoit: could you mention that in the bug report?
2012-10-15 15:55:48 desbenoit: Yeah... I'm doing it right now
2012-10-15 15:56:37 shepazu: fr0zenice, NotTomato, if there's an option for allowing admins to change the sorting, it should be trivial to allow users to do it, using an extension or something
2012-10-15 15:57:14 desbenoit: shepazu done
2012-10-15 15:57:22 shepazu: thanks, desbenoit
2012-10-15 15:57:29 fr0zenice: desbenoit: just checked in my Chrome/Win, no option of -webkit-font-smoothing seems to help
2012-10-15 15:57:32 Garbee: shep, Yea.  Should just be able to be set via a cookie and new item in the user system to store the value.
2012-10-15 15:57:49 fr0zenice: shepazu: I can take a look if I find an existing extesion.
2012-10-15 15:57:52 fr0zenice: +n
2012-10-15 15:58:03 shepazu: thanks, fr0zenice
2012-10-15 15:58:20 desbenoit: fr0zenice Oh? that's surprising, it's a patch I use in a few website when font face is an issue
2012-10-15 15:58:35 desbenoit: i'm sorry I need to go.
2012-10-15 15:58:49 Garbee: desbenoit, Leave it is fine.  We can't keep you here.
2012-10-15 15:58:56 fr0zenice: Others might want to check, but I see no difference when changing via the inspector. :/
2012-10-15 15:59:09 desbenoit: fr0zenice, I'll have a look at this tomorrow.
2012-10-15 15:59:28 fr0zenice: thanks :)
2012-10-15 16:00:29 mdel: just a note, I always include -webkit-font-smoothing, and I still see artifacts under Ubuntu
2012-10-15 16:01:17 mdel: it could be an issue with Unity or something wacky like that
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2012-10-15 16:04:56 Sandkorn: (sidenote to that, never (really) had trouble with artifacts within Kubuntu .. so it really might be unity)
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2012-10-15 16:05:24 odinho: Uh, why is WikiSysop answering questions. Whoever does that should prolly get his/her own account :P
2012-10-15 16:05:33 Garbee: odinho, It is SSO issues.
2012-10-15 16:05:36 Garbee: Being worked on.
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2012-10-15 16:05:56 odinho: Garbee: Ookay! :-)
2012-10-15 16:05:58 Garbee: It is users logged in, but due to SSO issues the Q&A doesn't read their account.  So they become WikiSysops.
2012-10-15 16:06:18 Garbee: Odd, we know.  Been an issue since launch.  There are plenty of other issues dealing with SSO too.
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2012-10-15 16:08:52 Sandkorn: Right.. 6pm and customers start calling.... i'm on my way home.. cya tomorrow folks :-)
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2012-10-15 16:09:31 fr0zenice: bb
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2012-10-15 16:11:26 odinho: I'm very patient. :) The QA site looks very nice. If it's the open source qa engine, most themes are not as nice. -- But there doesn't seem to be any ordering. Is it meant to be by time, and not by points/relevance?
2012-10-15 16:11:39 Garbee: It is Q2A.
2012-10-15 16:11:40 odinho: I.e. known and worked on, or wontfix?
2012-10-15 16:11:46 Garbee: Time is also the sort order.
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2012-10-15 16:15:52 odinho: 2010 -> # An integrated (database-wide) implementation of this is on the roadmap. #   hehe
2012-10-15 16:16:14 odinho: There's a small patch for it, for th elocal pages -> http://www.question2answer.org/qa/330/sorting-by-votes#a334
2012-10-15 16:16:57 fr0zenice: That's for an old verison.
2012-10-15 16:17:11 fr0zenice: There's an admin setting now, but no user setting.
2012-10-15 16:17:21 odinho: Saw that after I posted it :-) Ohwell. I can read the full page. I was just surprised at the default ordering.
2012-10-15 16:17:32 odinho: Doesn't strike me as the best to have a -6 answer at the top :-)
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2012-10-15 16:32:29 nickster: Does anyone have a good example of What the CSS examples should look like? Should they look like the MDN examples?
2012-10-15 16:32:43 nickster: I was looking at the page specifically
2012-10-15 16:32:44 nickster: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/linear-gradient
2012-10-15 16:33:10 nickster: and it comes from Microsofts Developer network
2012-10-15 16:33:28 Garbee: Examples as in example code or example code running?
2012-10-15 16:33:29 nickster: The MDN I was asking about was mozillas https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/linear-gradient
2012-10-15 16:33:38 nickster: Example code running
2012-10-15 16:33:50 nickster: I mean like if I were to edit this page
2012-10-15 16:34:02 Garbee: I don't think the system actually lets example code run just yet...
2012-10-15 16:34:04 nickster: How does Web Platform want it to look
2012-10-15 16:34:11 nickster: ah I see
2012-10-15 16:34:19 Garbee: I don't think it has come up yet.
2012-10-15 16:34:29 Garbee: There is a way that runs code, but it is actually a bug.
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2012-10-15 16:34:48 Garbee: A form entry for code examples to be run would be nice for CSS...
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2012-10-15 16:35:02 Garbee: Or even HTML if it removed scripts.
2012-10-15 16:35:38 Garbee: I'm going to check through some of the documentation we have and see if there is any mention of having demo code run.  If not then I will file a bug report for an ehancement request.
2012-10-15 16:35:46 nickster: Ok cool!
2012-10-15 16:35:47 nickster: Thanks
2012-10-15 16:36:30 nickster: I've been looking around WebPlatform and there aren't any examples that I have come across
2012-10-15 16:36:45 Garbee: Because I don't think they technically exist yet.
2012-10-15 16:36:53 nickster: Yeah
2012-10-15 16:36:58 Garbee: The only way know works is a bug, since the code shouldn't actually run.
2012-10-15 16:37:09 Garbee: But in this case we want specific examples to be allowed to be executed.
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2012-10-15 16:38:33 nickster: Ok I'll keep an eye out for changes
2012-10-15 16:39:24 Garbee: Just so you know, it could take a while for that kind of feature.
2012-10-15 16:39:43 Garbee: But, it will be nice if it were possible in the form.
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2012-10-15 16:40:22 nickster: Ok no problem.
2012-10-15 16:41:55 nickster: Yeah I think it would be a cool feature to add
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2012-10-15 16:42:24 Garbee: Especially for CSS/HTML where you can do some nice demo's with not a lot of space to show how things work.
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2012-10-15 16:54:01 phwd: Under http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page > Stay in touch there is
2012-10-15 16:54:06 phwd: Join our Q&A
2012-10-15 16:54:18 phwd: Which I think was "Join our forum" previously
2012-10-15 16:54:36 phwd: maybe wording needs a little changing or too trivial?
2012-10-15 16:54:40 Garbee: phwd, Forum callouts are becomming Q&A.
2012-10-15 16:55:06 phwd: "Forum callouts"?
2012-10-15 16:55:09 Garbee: Yea, well people complained at launch so, it is being converted over.
2012-10-15 16:55:20 Garbee: References in place of Callout.
2012-10-15 16:55:41 NotTomato: phwd, I changed that after we started changing all "forums" to Q&A, I was wondering if it would be okay to make a test main page though. Do you think anyone would care?
2012-10-15 16:56:03 Garbee: Test main page for what?
2012-10-15 16:56:06 phwd: I'm not bothered about forum vs Q&A, just the wording of the sentence that's all
2012-10-15 16:56:08 NotTomato: Making a better main page.
2012-10-15 16:56:22 fr0zenice: You have some changes in mind, NotTomato?
2012-10-15 16:56:25 Garbee: Yea, just make a demo.
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2012-10-15 16:56:40 NotTomato: I just think the main page is kind of boring to look at, and all the important links are on the bottom instead of top.
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2012-10-15 16:56:44 Garbee: There is convo in the Mailing List already on updating it.
2012-10-15 16:56:55 Garbee: It also isn't *too* helpful to find content.
2012-10-15 16:57:05 NotTomato: Yeah.
2012-10-15 16:57:06 Garbee: Which needs to be addressed.
2012-10-15 16:57:09 NotTomato: Hi Ryan_Lane.
2012-10-15 16:57:47 Ryan_Lane: howdy
2012-10-15 16:57:48 fr0zenice: Do it, let us know when you got something nice. :)
2012-10-15 16:58:27 fr0zenice: hey Ryan
2012-10-15 16:58:55 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, I hit this error when I was cleaning up the Q&A.  Just one post:  http://pastebin.com/anVs0yrd
2012-10-15 16:59:23 Ryan_Lane: looks like an application issue to me
2012-10-15 16:59:26 Garbee: I'm filing a bug report now.
2012-10-15 16:59:36 NotTomato: Where do the developers hide all of the template css?
2012-10-15 16:59:41 Ryan_Lane only really does infrastructure
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2012-10-15 16:59:53 Garbee: I'm posting a bug under QA.
2012-10-15 17:00:51 fr0zenice: NotTomato: What template css?
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2012-10-15 17:01:55 NotTomato: Like, for the flags template, it says the template is using the div ID "flags", but none of the CSS is in the Common.css
2012-10-15 17:02:07 NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Flags&action=edit
2012-10-15 17:02:27 NotTomato: "flags-hilevel"
2012-10-15 17:02:29 NotTomato: stuff like that.
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2012-10-15 17:03:36 NotTomato: Maybe firebug will tell me.
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2012-10-15 17:04:29 phwd: also if the WPD:FAQ is "relatively" "sorta" "almost" permanent maybe pushing to the top menu (Docs Q&A Blog Chat FAQ?) might be a good idea? Or not
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2012-10-15 17:12:05 eternicode: I see we've gotten rid of the WYSIWYG editor in the Q&A -- should we infer that markdown (or something else?) is good to go, or what?
2012-10-15 17:12:26 fr0zenice: NotTomato: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/skins/webplatform/screen.css
2012-10-15 17:13:21 Kovah: I <3 Markdown!
2012-10-15 17:13:54 NotTomato: I saw it in there fr0zenice, now I'm sad that it's not separated, I was writing an e-mail asking if we could fix it.
2012-10-15 17:14:10 Garbee: eternicode, Plain text.
2012-10-15 17:14:13 inkvizitor68sl: part
2012-10-15 17:14:27 eternicode: was afraid of that :/
2012-10-15 17:14:30 eternicode: a'ight
2012-10-15 17:14:34 Garbee: What else do you need?
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2012-10-15 17:14:46 Garbee: It is a Q&A system not a site builder.
2012-10-15 17:14:50 eternicode: quotes (blockquote), specifically.
2012-10-15 17:14:51 Garbee: A few features are useful.
2012-10-15 17:15:05 _WiZZarD: <Garbee> It is a Q&A system not a site builder.
2012-10-15 17:15:07 _WiZZarD: qft
2012-10-15 17:15:15 eternicode: and code blocks would come in handy, I imagine.
2012-10-15 17:15:16 Garbee: Maybe we could look into modding that only allows certain markdown.
2012-10-15 17:15:55 Kovah: Bold, italic, underline?
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2012-10-15 17:15:59 Garbee: OL/UL are two great featurs.
2012-10-15 17:16:00 eternicode: linked text would be nice, but I can understand not wanting that.
2012-10-15 17:16:16 Garbee: Kovah, I think those just get annoying.  But do server a technical purpose.
2012-10-15 17:16:19 eternicode: text-decorations are nonessential :)
2012-10-15 17:16:31 fr0zenice: that reminds me, shepazu: I haven't found an extension or similar that would allow answer-sorting per user.
2012-10-15 17:18:07 shepazu: fr0zenice: I could ask on their IRC channel or message boards
2012-10-15 17:18:36 fr0zenice: you could give it a try
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2012-10-15 17:19:02 eternicode: I'm okay with losing B/I/U, but code blocks, blockquotes, and inline links would all be very useful in answers.
2012-10-15 17:21:13 shepazu: eternicode: we might be able to allow only certain types of rich text
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2012-10-15 17:25:59 Kovah: One question: is there an docs article with a list of most used CMS? If not, would it be useful?
2012-10-15 17:26:53 shepazu: Kovah: I think that sort of thing is best kept out… there are other sources for lists of such things
2012-10-15 17:27:01 Neto: part
2012-10-15 17:27:10 Garbee: Yea, everyone has their own most used.
2012-10-15 17:27:15 shepazu: in fact, wikipedia has good lists...
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2012-10-15 17:41:45 nickster: @Garbee yeah if the CSS/HTML demos could be small and easy to follow I think they would be great.
2012-10-15 17:42:03 nickster: If there anything I can do to help speed up the process?
2012-10-15 17:42:41 Garbee: Not really unless you wait for the source to be hosted and code the patch yourself.  I think they should have a way of doing it though, not too sure of the system and what it can do in that context.
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2012-10-15 17:43:04 nickster: Yeah
2012-10-15 17:43:19 nickster: I'll wait and see what happens
2012-10-15 17:46:07 nickster: I'm excited for the project I think this can be a really good resource
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2012-10-15 17:49:23 NotTomato: Hi sonotos.
2012-10-15 17:49:39 sonotos: hi NotTomato
2012-10-15 17:49:45 shepazu: nickster: don't just wait… help us! :)
2012-10-15 17:49:45 sonotos: how are you?
2012-10-15 17:50:31 NotTomato: Good.
2012-10-15 17:50:38 NotTomato: I'm pretty sure none of my e-mails go to the mailing list.
2012-10-15 17:50:39 NotTomato: But oh well.
2012-10-15 17:50:47 NotTomato: How are you?
2012-10-15 17:50:56 Garbee: NotTomato, They aren't.
2012-10-15 17:50:59 nickster: @shepazu that's what I'm trying to do! Going through the help documentation
2012-10-15 17:51:11 shepazu: nickster++ :)
2012-10-15 17:51:14 Garbee: shepazu, Could you look into Tomato's emails too?
2012-10-15 17:51:21 Garbee: His might be caught up like mine were.
2012-10-15 17:51:22 sonotos: NotTomato: better
2012-10-15 17:51:29 nickster: shepazu: do you know anwywhere I should be starting at?
2012-10-15 17:51:42 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2012-10-15 17:51:47 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:To-Do_List
2012-10-15 17:51:51 shepazu: nickster: what's your focus area?
2012-10-15 17:52:02 nickster: That's where I've been looking right now
2012-10-15 17:52:45 sonotos: do we have allready a "don't do" page for javascript? didn't find any last time i searched
2012-10-15 17:52:47 nickster: HTML/CSS
2012-10-15 17:52:53 nickster: I guess documentation writing
2012-10-15 17:53:00 nickster: or updating
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2012-10-15 18:10:03 ajt_: Hi everyone, my name is Andrew and I love the internet.
2012-10-15 18:10:45 grzesag: hi, who doesn't
2012-10-15 18:10:54 ravenzz: hi Andrew, welcome
2012-10-15 18:11:05 ajt_: thanks
2012-10-15 18:11:27 ajt_: The site looks really awesome. This is a great looking MW instance.
2012-10-15 18:11:49 hapi: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-adds-sweetener-to-JavaScript-1729572.html
2012-10-15 18:12:11 Garbee: Ok, the Developer Tools page for Chrome.  Should it be Chrome or Google Chrome?
2012-10-15 18:12:21 ravenzz: hapi yeah seems sweet! :P
2012-10-15 18:12:33 ravenzz: I watched the presentation
2012-10-15 18:12:55 ravenzz: Garbee Google Chrome
2012-10-15 18:13:32 hapi: interest initiation
2012-10-15 18:13:42 hapi: sorry for my english
2012-10-15 18:15:12 ravenzz: yes that would be extremely powerful
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2012-10-15 18:15:36 ravenzz: but it will take a while until there will be a stable and solid version I guess
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2012-10-15 18:16:52 hapi: at least,i have time to prepare it :)
2012-10-15 18:17:36 ravenzz: exactly, I would like to play with it sooner or later...it is a matter of free time
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2012-10-15 18:32:55 Garbee: shepazu, Is it ok if I make Developer Tools a new root category?  REF: Proposed Site Structure - http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Architecture
2012-10-15 18:33:24 Garbee: Parts of it will be tutorials though...
2012-10-15 18:33:42 Garbee: Maybe those parts I could crosslink into /tutorials/dev_tools
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2012-10-15 18:38:56 Garbee: Hang on a sec and let me update my gdoc with what I'm thinking....
2012-10-15 18:40:43 _WiZZarD: I'll be gone for tonight ; cya all tomorrow
2012-10-15 18:41:28 shepazu: later, _cheney
2012-10-15 18:41:31 shepazu: oop
2012-10-15 18:41:39 shepazu: later, _WiZZarD
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2012-10-15 18:43:35 Garbee: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmlYgFpNCZIY4EMbyIDvJZpjyYonMjWw-HeXgvN50TY/edit    --tweaked layout for the Chrome setup and new example URL in the opening paragraph.
2012-10-15 18:44:00 Garbee: So Dev Tools would be its own root to cover anything it could possibly do, but the tutorials are linked over into the tutorials section.
2012-10-15 18:44:18 Garbee: I simply don't see anywhere else all the Dev Tools stuff would fit into the categorization.
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2012-10-15 18:50:10 puppion: Does anyone know what happened to the search functionality in chrome's inspect element as of version 22?
2012-10-15 18:50:26 Garbee: puppion, I think it got removed.
2012-10-15 18:50:36 Garbee: I'd check their Google Group for that kind of stuff.
2012-10-15 18:50:44 puppion: why? it was really usefull
2012-10-15 18:51:18 Garbee: Ctrl + F
2012-10-15 18:51:41 Garbee: And Ctrl + Shift + F
2012-10-15 18:51:55 nickster: Yeah it got moved to the bottom
2012-10-15 18:51:58 Garbee: Yea, the second one is what you want.
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2012-10-15 18:52:19 Garbee: nickster, What was moved to the bottom?
2012-10-15 18:52:23 Garbee: Not the search.
2012-10-15 18:52:34 nickster: The search box I kept hitting ctrl-f thinking I would see it pop up at the top
2012-10-15 18:52:38 nickster: it pops up at the bottom
2012-10-15 18:52:46 Garbee: That is quick find in the current resource, it has always been there tmk.
2012-10-15 18:53:00 Garbee: Ctrl + Shift + F does what the old search box did which is search across all sources.
2012-10-15 18:53:05 Garbee: iric.
2012-10-15 18:53:07 Garbee: iirc*
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2012-10-15 18:53:29 Garbee: Nothing was moved though.  The search box in the upper right hand corner was literally removed.
2012-10-15 18:53:42 puppion: thank you! silly i didn't try that...
2012-10-15 18:53:53 Garbee: puppion, Settings key > Shortcuts. ;)
2012-10-15 18:54:31 nickster: That's a lot better!
2012-10-15 18:54:51 puppion: because i didn't see the box at the top, i figured there was no search any more...
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2012-10-15 18:55:18 Garbee: Now now, the chome devs know better than to tick us off like that.
2012-10-15 18:55:23 ravenzz: puppion bad choice anyway
2012-10-15 18:55:31 Garbee: Would have been nice to have some warning though.
2012-10-15 18:59:01 ravenzz: what dev tools are and why are your friends or something :)
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2012-10-15 18:59:23 Garbee: ?
2012-10-15 18:59:30 Garbee: You lost me ravenzz.
2012-10-15 18:59:57 ravenzz: just a random suggestion on the copy
2012-10-15 19:00:14 ravenzz: oh I am talking about the spreadsheet you pasted
2012-10-15 19:00:16 ravenzz: before
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2012-10-15 19:02:10 ravenzz: will the Panels' subsections cover advanced topics?
2012-10-15 19:02:40 ravenzz: if so I would rename the Advanced one into "Misc" or something
2012-10-15 19:03:27 amirouche: happy pycon :-)
2012-10-15 19:03:37 Garbee: ravenzz, No, Advanced isn't a part of panels.
2012-10-15 19:03:46 Garbee: Panels covers down to console.
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2012-10-15 19:04:01 ravenzz: I know
2012-10-15 19:04:03 amirouche: Q: it it possible to work with both os.fork and multiprocessing.Manager.Queue ?
2012-10-15 19:04:05 Garbee: Advanced is extending beyond the built in tools and learning how to use them more effectively.
2012-10-15 19:04:07 ravenzz: that's not what I am saying
2012-10-15 19:04:12 amirouche: oups sorry
2012-10-15 19:04:42 ravenzz: I would define Advanced a tutorial about Profiling with the Dev Tools for instance
2012-10-15 19:05:07 ravenzz: keyboard shourtcuts aren't an advanced topic
2012-10-15 19:05:33 Garbee: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/overview   ---Panels coverage comes from this documentation.
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2012-10-15 19:06:14 Garbee: Advanced is just a meta thing to store odd things in that doc.  It isn't going to be that actual structure most likely when the page is made.
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2012-10-15 19:06:18 ravenzz: ah ok so it is just a quick reference
2012-10-15 19:06:38 ravenzz: eh I agree, that's why I said "misc"
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2012-10-15 19:42:26 paul_irish: plamoni: js "versions" are a mozilla specific thing. no other browsers use them as a thing. even ES versions have little influence on priority of implentation
2012-10-15 19:43:09 Garbee: Evening Paul.
2012-10-15 19:43:17 Garbee: Good^^
2012-10-15 19:43:42 Garbee: Er, afternoon.  Wow my clock got messed up.
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2012-10-15 19:49:38 pzich: it deopped you?
2012-10-15 19:55:04 Garbee: Is requesting content addition a  proper use of the comment system?  I think it could be.
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2012-10-15 20:56:02 Garbee sees a hand but the door closes before I can get a good look.
2012-10-15 20:56:47 Garbee: I'm also starting to hate Chrome...
2012-10-15 20:56:52 Garbee: Time to go Canary again.
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2012-10-15 20:57:05 pdr: Garbee: why?
2012-10-15 20:57:14 pdr: Garbee: :'(
2012-10-15 20:57:36 Garbee: pdr, Crashing so much.  A few times a day when I'm messing with tabs.  I am pretty sure it is a Win 8 thing with Chrome.
2012-10-15 20:58:46 pdr: Garbee: aahh, I wonder if the Win8 stuff is tested yet. Can you file a bug?
2012-10-15 20:59:04 Garbee: pdr, I know they are working on it.  It has improved loads in the past few reelases.
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2012-10-15 20:59:11 Garbee: releases*
2012-10-15 20:59:26 Garbee: Just a few little odd things left to fill out.  I will check the bugtracker though if I can find it.
2012-10-15 20:59:41 Garbee: See if there is anything I can do to help debug anymore.
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2012-10-15 21:58:44 drublic: hi all
2012-10-15 21:59:41 drublic: if i want to add @supports as a page in the documentation what's the easiest way to do it? or… is it even necessary?
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2012-10-15 22:06:41 divya: def necessary drublic
2012-10-15 22:07:31 drublic: divya: I'm on it but have to get around the interface and getting started aso…
2012-10-15 22:07:56 divya: drublic: just let people know what difficulties you encouter in the mailing list.
2012-10-15 22:08:36 drublic: divya: got a link to subscribe? plz
2012-10-15 22:08:47 divya: public-webplatform@w3.org
2012-10-15 22:09:03 divya: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2012-10-15 22:09:12 drublic: divya: ty
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2012-10-15 22:44:18 hooloovoo: I think i remember seeing something about Javascript tutorial/documentation guidelines on the mailinglist. Did i imagine that or am i too sloppy to find it?
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2012-10-15 22:53:03 Garbee: Yea?
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2012-10-16 03:33:31 huimin: Hello?
2012-10-16 03:33:38 Garbee: Yea.
2012-10-16 03:33:43 arkhi: Hola huimin
2012-10-16 03:34:46 huimin: Ha, glad to meet u guys.
2012-10-16 03:34:48 clarkpan: hi guys
2012-10-16 03:34:51 clarkpan: and gals
2012-10-16 03:36:01 clarkpan: if you do a task on the 'Most Wanted Tasks' page
2012-10-16 03:36:14 clarkpan: are you meant to tell someone or something? or just update that page to remove the task you just did
2012-10-16 03:36:20 Garbee: Just update it.
2012-10-16 03:36:23 Garbee: Please.
2012-10-16 03:37:10 clarkpan: Ok
2012-10-16 03:37:25 clarkpan: Another question.. that checkbox that says 'This is a minor edit'...
2012-10-16 03:37:36 clarkpan: what constitutes a 'minor edit'?
2012-10-16 03:37:53 Garbee: grammar or layout tweaks.
2012-10-16 03:38:01 arkhi: clarkpan: typo, etc…
2012-10-16 03:38:02 Garbee: Beyond that I'm not really sure.
2012-10-16 03:38:21 clarkpan: Alright thanks
2012-10-16 03:38:24 arkhi: As long as the meaning or content doesn’t change, I‘d say.
2012-10-16 03:38:41 arkhi: by content, I mean adding or removing.
2012-10-16 03:38:42 clarkpan: Sorting a table would be minor then
2012-10-16 03:38:46 clarkpan: ?
2012-10-16 03:38:56 arkhi: I would say so. :)
2012-10-16 03:39:35 clarkpan: coolios
2012-10-16 03:39:37 Garbee: Yea, sorting MIME types in minor.
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2012-10-16 03:39:42 clarkpan: yay first edit!
2012-10-16 03:39:43 andyfitz_: just a little tip for anyone using empathy or adium to connect to IRC....  the webkit view they use for chat can accept some pretty complex CSS theme instructions.   Responsive chat log FTW
2012-10-16 03:40:34 arkhi: Is that purple based clients in general, andyfitz_?
2012-10-16 03:40:43 andyfitz_: when I fullscreen the chat,  the fonts go up to 3em  with healthy margins :)
2012-10-16 03:41:18 Garbee: sudo apt-get remove --purge empathy
2012-10-16 03:41:19 andyfitz_: arkhi:  I don't think pidgin and others use webkit for their chat view
2012-10-16 03:42:46 andyfitz_: Garbee:  yum install empathy &&  yum --releasever=18 --disableplugin=presto --nogpgcheck distro-sync && echo ;-)
2012-10-16 03:43:18 Garbee: andyfitz_, Too much work there to remove empathy.
2012-10-16 03:43:51 andyfitz_: but seriously,  you can base64 encode SVG's into this thing.    I've never had a good looking IRC client..  time to fix that
2012-10-16 03:44:23 Garbee: Why would you need to encode SVGs into chat?
2012-10-16 03:45:27 andyfitz_: for sweet graphics upon  status, action and other notifications
2012-10-16 03:45:56 Garbee: Oh ok.  I thought you meant sending base64 through the chat and was about to get worried...
2012-10-16 03:46:10 andyfitz_: err,  no....
2012-10-16 03:46:23 Garbee: clarkpan, Thanks for the summaries too.
2012-10-16 03:46:37 andyfitz_: if a client ran a base64 image there'd be a world of exploits happening
2012-10-16 03:46:52 clarkpan: Its like source control... never commit without a message!
2012-10-16 03:47:02 Garbee: Yea, that plus a ton of apparent spam.
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2012-10-16 03:47:31 shepazu: hey, andyfitz_!
2012-10-16 03:47:39 andyfitz_: lo shepazu
2012-10-16 03:48:00 shepazu: you're Andy Fitzsimon, right?
2012-10-16 03:48:23 andyfitz_: i am...
2012-10-16 03:48:52 andyfitz_: shepazu:  do we know eachother in the meatspace ?
2012-10-16 03:49:12 shepazu: we've met a few times… I'm Doug Schepers, from W3C… we've talked at LGM, I think
2012-10-16 03:49:28 shepazu: I'm an SVG guy
2012-10-16 03:49:28 andyfitz_: ah! G'day Doug
2012-10-16 03:49:33 shepazu: howdy
2012-10-16 03:49:45 shepazu: nice to see you here
2012-10-16 03:49:52 andyfitz_ is learning IRC nicks.. it's been quite a while since Ive visited #svg
2012-10-16 03:49:58 mike5w3c: clarkpan: good add http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types
2012-10-16 03:50:31 mike5w3c: concepts page is evolving pretty nicely
2012-10-16 03:50:36 andyfitz_: thanks.  hows the docs coming along?
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2012-10-16 03:52:20 andyfitz_: shepazu:  I noticed an iOS issue (probably deliberate) where the iphone versions of safari will render SVG filters but the ipad(3?) safari won't..  Where on webplatform.org will that sort of discussion exist ?
2012-10-16 03:52:54 mike5w3c: shepazu: wiki personal-info page don't let me leave birthday blank
2012-10-16 03:53:27 andyfitz_ guesses http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/svg/browser_support
2012-10-16 03:53:47 shepazu: andyfitz_: great question… I think it should probably start on the forums, or in comments on the SVG filters pages, but should ultimately be integrated into the browser support tables for each filter
2012-10-16 03:54:04 shepazu: we need to sort out which ones are or are not supported
2012-10-16 03:54:19 shepazu: mike5w3c: yeah, isn't that annoying… I'll see if I can fix that
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2012-10-16 03:56:12 andyfitz_: righteo
2012-10-16 04:02:01 clarkpan: hmm why doesn't apple have their own page in stewards?
2012-10-16 04:02:44 Garbee: clarkpan, They opted to not have it there.
2012-10-16 04:02:53 Garbee: We will never know why.
2012-10-16 04:03:11 clarkpan: yea, who wouldn't want some free PR
2012-10-16 04:04:11 shepazu: clarkpan: Apple. :P
2012-10-16 04:05:03 clarkpan: too good for us!
2012-10-16 04:05:29 andyfitz_: part
2012-10-16 04:05:35 shepazu: clarkpan: hey, I played with your MIME table, hope you don't mind… I made it sortable by each column, and put spaces after the commas, because I'm OCD :)
2012-10-16 04:06:55 Garbee: Wait a minute, you can make it sortable?
2012-10-16 04:06:59 clarkpan: not really my table, i just saw something on the list i could do in 15 minutes
2012-10-16 04:07:06 shepazu: nice
2012-10-16 04:07:34 shepazu: btw, it's super easy to make tables sortable with class="sortable"
2012-10-16 04:07:34 clarkpan: hmm class sortable... handy
2012-10-16 04:07:37 Garbee: At least that list is doing something.
2012-10-16 04:07:39 shepazu: yes, I love it
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2012-10-16 05:03:30 desbenoit: Hi!
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2012-10-16 05:13:17 desbenoit: Salut arkhi !
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2012-10-16 06:03:14 _WiZZarD: good morning all
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2012-10-16 06:05:19 _Rainulf: Good morning, it's 2AM here =D
2012-10-16 06:06:30 _WiZZarD: whehe
2012-10-16 06:06:34 _WiZZarD: 8 in the morning
2012-10-16 06:06:38 _WiZZarD: time to head for work ;)
2012-10-16 06:06:46 _WiZZarD: cya in an hour or so
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2012-10-16 06:32:11 eighty4: God morning _WiZZarD and arkhi
2012-10-16 06:32:37 arkhi: Hola eighty4
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2012-10-16 06:57:51 ravenzz: morning
2012-10-16 06:58:15 _WiZZarD: morning ravenzz
2012-10-16 06:59:23 ravenzz: hey wiz sup
2012-10-16 07:00:57 arkhi: Hey ravenzz
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2012-10-16 07:03:30 ravenzz: hey arkhi! I saw the article about the css coding guidelines
2012-10-16 07:03:36 ravenzz: you're pretty fast :P
2012-10-16 07:05:23 arkhi: I mostly copied what Necolas et alii did. :)
2012-10-16 07:05:35 arkhi: Just cleaned and decided on a few things…
2012-10-16 07:08:12 _WiZZarD: nothing much ravenzz, just sifting through the bugzilla a bit when i have time :)
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2012-10-16 07:13:06 Grephix: morning all! :)
2012-10-16 07:15:31 eighty4: ravenzz: link?
2012-10-16 07:18:03 eighty4: morning Grephix
2012-10-16 07:18:42 arkhi: Morning Grephix
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2012-10-16 07:55:37 ravenzz: eighty4 sorry I was at a meeting, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css
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2012-10-16 08:01:46 eighty4: ravenzz: no worries :) strange that search didn't find it for me searching for "CSS Coding Guidelines"
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2012-10-16 08:03:31 ravenzz: eh if you remove the "Content pages" filter
2012-10-16 08:03:42 ravenzz: you will have it in the search results
2012-10-16 08:04:39 ravenzz: actually it should search Everything by default imo
2012-10-16 08:04:41 eighty4: right… stupid
2012-10-16 08:04:55 ravenzz: stupid wiki :p
2012-10-16 08:04:58 eighty4: I didn't even realize that was a filter
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2012-10-16 08:06:52 eighty4: I also have these misplaced bullets http://d.pr/i/Cat6
2012-10-16 08:08:04 eighty4: I'd strongly suggest a list-style:none on .mw-search-formheader div.search-types ul li
2012-10-16 08:08:45 eighty4: as well as maybe a .current {font-weight: bold;}
2012-10-16 08:08:53 eighty4: but I guess I should add a ticket about this
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2012-10-16 08:10:03 ravenzz: exactly
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2012-10-16 08:19:35 eighty4: Ok, if anyones up for it https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19546 <-- is it filed ok? I really suck att writing bug reports
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2012-10-16 08:21:18 ravenzz: uhm I think that the importance could be minor, is not a big deal I mean
2012-10-16 08:21:40 eighty4: Depends on how important you find the search to be :)
2012-10-16 08:21:43 eighty4: But I changed it
2012-10-16 08:21:50 ravenzz: also is that a common behavior? or it happens only on the search page?
2012-10-16 08:22:17 eighty4: If the site is properly structured search shouldn't be important. But given that I wasn't able to find such a simple things as the Guidelines...
2012-10-16 08:22:44 eighty4: I haven't seen that type of list anywhere else
2012-10-16 08:23:20 ravenzz: ok so provide a context and a link (URL)
2012-10-16 08:24:16 ravenzz: context/description, so if one read the ticket will be able to understand what feature are you talking about
2012-10-16 08:26:20 ravenzz: after that I would open a new ticket about the search, where you can explain the problem you had and how unclear is the filter feature of the search page, (+ suggest to search Everything by default)
2012-10-16 08:26:40 ravenzz: but maybe for this you can ask chrismills directly
2012-10-16 08:26:52 ravenzz: here on irc
2012-10-16 08:27:05 eighty4: will do.
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2012-10-16 08:27:30 ravenzz: back to work ;)
2012-10-16 08:27:44 eighty4: ravenzz: just one thing. Where would I add the contect?
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2012-10-16 08:28:24 ravenzz: contect ?
2012-10-16 08:29:08 eighty4: *context
2012-10-16 08:29:15 eighty4: Just as a new comment?
2012-10-16 08:29:19 ravenzz: I think so
2012-10-16 08:29:58 ravenzz: I don't remember if you can edit your own comments
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2012-10-16 08:32:31 eighty4: There we go, if the one planing to fix it have any questions they can just ask. I guess I won't have access to the source so I can create a proper patch?
2012-10-16 08:33:03 ravenzz: no we can't
2012-10-16 08:33:35 ravenzz: but they will open source the theme at some point if I undestood correctly
2012-10-16 08:33:48 ravenzz: so people can contribute/patch directly
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2012-10-16 08:37:08 eighty4: cool
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2012-10-16 08:38:51 PhistucK: Has anyone noticed that pages such as this one - http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/audio - are missing a lot of content due to the fact that tables are not displayed within section templates?
2012-10-16 08:40:33 PhistucK: This affects a lot (if not all) of MSDN content, the content looks almost nonexistent due to this bug, while there is actually a lot of content in the page (a table of events, properties, methods and so on)
2012-10-16 08:40:57 PhistucK: *in the source
2012-10-16 08:42:00 dontcallmedom: PhistucK, I have indeed noticed it, and fixed a few of those
2012-10-16 08:42:18 dontcallmedom: that being said, the table of events, properties and methods are out of place AFAICT
2012-10-16 08:42:35 dontcallmedom: i.e. they would belong to the DOM interface of the said element, not to the element as a piece of markup
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2012-10-16 08:42:54 PhistucK: How did you fix it? at the content level of at the template level?
2012-10-16 08:43:09 PhistucK: Yes, I agree, but this is all over the place
2012-10-16 08:43:15 dontcallmedom: at the content level; there is unfortunately no possible fix at the template level
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2012-10-16 08:43:23 dontcallmedom: this is something that a wikibot could help with, though
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2012-10-16 08:44:06 PhistucK: So should I just move the content out of the template? How will the edit form show it afterwards?
2012-10-16 08:44:29 PhistucK: (Edit form, edit wizard, however you call it)
2012-10-16 08:44:44 dontcallmedom: no, the fix is not to move it out of the template (sorry I was not clear)
2012-10-16 08:44:59 PhistucK: Then?
2012-10-16 08:45:03 dontcallmedom: the fix is to replace the pipe sign | used in the  table with {{!}}
2012-10-16 08:45:09 PhistucK: Oh
2012-10-16 08:45:14 PhistucK: So simple. ;)
2012-10-16 08:45:18 dontcallmedom: right :)
2012-10-16 08:45:27 dontcallmedom: see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style/Gotchas
2012-10-16 08:45:32 PhistucK: Hehe. So will a wikibot do that?
2012-10-16 08:45:38 PhistucK: (Not sure what a wikibot is)
2012-10-16 08:45:45 PhistucK: *actually is
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2012-10-16 08:46:12 dontcallmedom: maybe; I have no idea if wikibots have been considered so far, or if anyone is working on it
2012-10-16 08:46:26 PhistucK: So meanwhile, just do it manually?
2012-10-16 08:47:08 dontcallmedom: a wikibot is bot that runs through the wiki to apply a set of predetermined actions
2012-10-16 08:47:09 dontcallmedom: that would be my advice; these pages need overall clean up in any case
2012-10-16 08:47:09 dontcallmedom: (e.g. adding standardization status, move specs to the relevant spec section, avoid the go.microsoft.com link, etc)
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2012-10-16 08:48:01 _WiZZarD: if they need a fix up, mark the page as such when you don't have time to do it yourselve
2012-10-16 08:48:23 dontcallmedom: well, they are all marked with "Clean up" already I think
2012-10-16 08:51:16 _WiZZarD: well, then it should get done eventually
2012-10-16 08:54:13 PhistucK: Is there a bug about the | within templates issue? can you create one (I have no user, if you do, that would speed it up)?
2012-10-16 08:54:31 PhistucK: I guess some automatic script should be created to take care of all of this at once
2012-10-16 08:56:27 _WiZZarD: PhistucK: what exactly is the issue?
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2012-10-16 08:57:45 PhistucK: In section templates (for example, the "Main Content" template), any content that includes a table is trimmed at the first pipe
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2012-10-16 08:58:15 PhistucK: Well, I guess any content that includes a pipe in general, no only tables
2012-10-16 08:58:16 _WiZZarD: hm, that shouldnt be happening :)
2012-10-16 08:58:22 chaasof: hello
2012-10-16 08:58:33 _WiZZarD: I'll add it to my 'to check' list
2012-10-16 08:58:41 _WiZZarD: see what's wrong and file a bug for it
2012-10-16 08:58:43 PhistucK: Right. Like dontcallmedom wrote, it should be replaced with {{!}}
2012-10-16 08:58:59 PhistucK: Which resolves it immediately.
2012-10-16 08:59:05 dontcallmedom: _WiZZarD, see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style/Gotchas
2012-10-16 08:59:34 PhistucK: *It = the pipe. :)
2012-10-16 08:59:49 _WiZZarD: tnx dontcallmedom
2012-10-16 09:00:18 PhistucK: Well, all of the pipes, actually
2012-10-16 09:00:30 arkhi: Hello chaasof
2012-10-16 09:00:37 _WiZZarD: still: is it worth a bug?
2012-10-16 09:00:51 _WiZZarD doesnt mind filing it
2012-10-16 09:01:12 PhistucK: It affects almost all of the MSDN content, I believe, so some automatic fix up is required here
2012-10-16 09:01:34 PhistucK: It would be a waste of time to go through all of the 3200 pages manually...
2012-10-16 09:06:29 PhistucK: I think there are two required actions here.
2012-10-16 09:06:47 PhistucK: 1. Automatic fix up of existing content (replace | with {{!}})
2012-10-16 09:06:59 PhistucK: Only within templates, of course.
2012-10-16 09:08:07 PhistucK: 2. Add some JavaScript on formedit submit that replaces | with {{!}} in order to avoid this "gotcha" for any future content.
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2012-10-16 09:12:10 _WiZZarD: so, a bug / enhancement is in place
2012-10-16 09:12:12 _WiZZarD: thank you
2012-10-16 09:12:13 _WiZZarD: :)
2012-10-16 09:12:31 PhistucK: Thank you :)
2012-10-16 09:12:32 _WiZZarD: I'll look it up and file a report later today for you
2012-10-16 09:12:46 _WiZZarD: you want mail confirmation of it?
2012-10-16 09:12:56 PhistucK: Cool, thank you.
2012-10-16 09:13:31 PhistucK: Hm, yeah, that would be nice, only if it takes a second ;) my nickname @gmail.com
2012-10-16 09:15:03 _WiZZarD: noted, thanks
2012-10-16 09:16:48 PhistucK: Is there any way I can help with these actions
2012-10-16 09:16:52 PhistucK: *?
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2012-10-16 09:17:31 PhistucK: (Writing the JavaScript code, writing an automated script (using what language?))
2012-10-16 09:21:29 dontcallmedom: re automated script, a search for "mediawiki bot" would probably get you in the right direction
2012-10-16 09:21:41 dontcallmedom: (but I've never done it myself, so I can't be of much actual help)
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2012-10-16 09:30:15 _WiZZarD: PhistucK: Don't know, you probably can help out
2012-10-16 09:30:23 _WiZZarD: I need to get back to you on that
2012-10-16 09:30:29 _WiZZarD: Thanks for the offer though
2012-10-16 09:31:18 PhistucK: :) Whatever can get this done faster is better
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2012-10-16 09:37:31 Sandkorn: Good Morning folks!
2012-10-16 09:37:47 arkhi: Good evening folks… :)
2012-10-16 09:37:50 _WiZZarD: morning Sandkorn
2012-10-16 09:38:07 arkhi: "ISON chrismills dontcallmedom"
2012-10-16 09:38:23 Sandkorn: :-)
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2012-10-16 10:28:40 PhistucK: When I go to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/Node
2012-10-16 10:28:58 PhistucK: It has properties and methods
2012-10-16 10:29:04 PhistucK: Where do they come from?
2012-10-16 10:29:33 PhistucK: The "Edit source" pages does not show them and I see nothing else...
2012-10-16 10:29:41 PhistucK: And it does not subclass anything
2012-10-16 10:31:15 PhistucK: Any clue?
2012-10-16 10:31:21 PhistucK: part
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2012-10-16 10:32:46 PhistucK: I accidentally left. If someone replied, please, reply again.
2012-10-16 10:35:02 PhistucK: Oh, they probably come from the properties page -
2012-10-16 10:35:03 PhistucK: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Browse/dom-2FNode
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2012-10-16 10:36:33 PhistucK: Which in turn is taken from http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=dom/methods/addEventListener (for example)
2012-10-16 10:36:45 PhistucK: Got it - you can ignore the last few messages.
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2012-10-16 12:40:54 karlcow: http://twitter.com/ourmaninjapan/status/258185091300331522
2012-10-16 12:40:54 karlcow: "ECMAScript spec says the 6 types are Undefined, Null, Boolean, String, Number & Object."
2012-10-16 12:40:54 karlcow: I guess this is something for http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/data_types
2012-10-16 12:40:55 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from ourmaninjapan: Thanks @molily for a definitive answer. ECMAScript spec says the 6 types are Undefined, Null, Boolean, String, Number &amp; Object. MSDN's wrong ★ http://bit.ly/V479tI
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2012-10-16 12:42:57 Garbee: Ok, Who's bot is that?
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2012-10-16 12:48:23 Munter: The only other channel it's in is #fronteers. So that's where I would ask
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2012-10-16 12:52:08 Garbee: Thanks for finding that out.
2012-10-16 12:52:40 Garbee: Now to do a test real quick...
2012-10-16 12:52:41 Garbee: http://twitter.com/ourmaninjapan/status/258185091300331522
2012-10-16 12:52:42 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from ourmaninjapan: Thanks @molily for a definitive answer. ECMAScript spec says the 6 types are Undefined, Null, Boolean, String, Number &amp; Object. MSDN's wrong ★ http://bit.ly/V479tI
2012-10-16 12:52:52 Garbee: Yea, that can be annoying.
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2012-10-16 13:07:15 Sandkorn: http://twitter.com/yoyoha/status/255851126782586880
2012-10-16 13:07:16 socialhapy: ★ Tweet from yoyoha: It's only takes me 2.5 hours of wasting time on the internet to do five minutes of work. ★ http://bit.ly/V4avwP
2012-10-16 13:07:29 Sandkorn: hm..
2012-10-16 13:07:35 Garbee: Yea odd bot.
2012-10-16 13:07:52 Sandkorn: lets try a day with just answering through tweets .. :>
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2012-10-16 13:39:14 _WiZZarD: whehe
2012-10-16 13:39:37 _WiZZarD is getting itchy fingers ;)
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2012-10-16 13:44:12 shepazu: I'm thinking of booting that bot...
2012-10-16 13:45:36 Garbee: I would like to not have it.  But I'd also rather just ask the owner to take it out compared to kicking/banning it outright.
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2012-10-16 13:48:20 mstalfoort: ..seems it can act on more than just twitter links, also bitly facebook github
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2012-10-16 13:50:54 Garbee: It is just going to end up adding unproductive noise.
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2012-10-16 13:54:30 _WiZZarD: <Garbee> I would like to not have it.  But I'd also rather just ask the owner to take it out compared to kicking/banning it outright. < that
2012-10-16 13:54:46 _WiZZarD: but that still doesnt stop my fingers from getting itchy
2012-10-16 13:55:07 Garbee: So I think we are agreed to get it removed?  I can ask in the other room it is in if the owner can remove it from our room.
2012-10-16 13:55:17 Munter: I'm already on it
2012-10-16 13:55:21 _WiZZarD: please do so
2012-10-16 13:55:23 Garbee: Ah, thanks.
2012-10-16 13:55:34 _WiZZarD: I was hoping someone would notice it's annoiance factor
2012-10-16 13:55:43 _WiZZarD: and got rid of it
2012-10-16 13:55:56 Munter: They are nice guys. I can guarantee they don't want to mess with you :)
2012-10-16 13:56:18 Garbee: Yea.  I would have used Google Translate to enquire in their room language though. ;)
2012-10-16 13:56:26 Munter: dutch
2012-10-16 13:56:30 Garbee: I know.
2012-10-16 13:56:34 _WiZZarD: I don't question the fact their nice
2012-10-16 13:56:38 _WiZZarD: dutchies?
2012-10-16 13:56:43 _WiZZarD: wich channel?
2012-10-16 13:56:45 _WiZZarD: < dutch
2012-10-16 13:56:46 _WiZZarD: ;)
2012-10-16 13:56:47 phwd: :S The only reason it is annoying is because yall posted three twitter links in succession :S
2012-10-16 13:56:47 Munter: They are the fronteers-nl organizers
2012-10-16 13:56:49 Garbee: #fronteers
2012-10-16 13:56:57 Garbee: phwd, No, we were testing.
2012-10-16 13:57:06 Garbee: It is annoying since it adds noise for no reason.
2012-10-16 13:58:04 phwd: I don't see how one instance equates to noise
2012-10-16 13:58:09 arjaneising: the owner of that bot used to hang out in the fronteers channel, but does not so anymore
2012-10-16 13:58:33 Garbee: phwd, If we share links over time it just adds extra junk to the room.  Yea, once nothing, but over time it can add a lot.
2012-10-16 13:58:43 Garbee: Also, we don't need a recap of what we follow the link to get.
2012-10-16 13:58:44 shepazu: I guess I'm wondering what the point of the bot is?
2012-10-16 13:58:56 arjaneising: it used to notify about github stuff as well
2012-10-16 13:59:04 Garbee: I think it is just to echo the data on the end of the link into the room so people don't *need* to follow it.
2012-10-16 13:59:30 phwd: exactly
2012-10-16 14:00:02 Munter: Personally I like it. But I know how to use my /ingore function if there's anything I don't like :P
2012-10-16 14:00:26 shepazu: ok, let me correct myself… I'm not sure what the point of that bot *in this channel* is… :)
2012-10-16 14:00:29 Garbee: I just see it as once the site code is hosted on GitHub (or cloned there) then we may end up sharing links to that and the noise is just going to be annoying.
2012-10-16 14:01:14 bnijenhuis: I like it as well...you don't need to follow the link to see what was said in the tweet...
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2012-10-16 14:01:57 shepazu: bnijenhuis: but why are people dropping tweets in this channel that have nothing to do with what we're trying to do here?
2012-10-16 14:02:15 bnijenhuis: that's up to that people...
2012-10-16 14:02:19 shepazu: it's only useful if it's… well, useful
2012-10-16 14:02:30 Munter: Well, if the owner is unknown then banning is the only real option if you don't want it here. I doubt it will cause much grief if it is even ever noticed
2012-10-16 14:02:35 bnijenhuis: it's much more annoying to follow a link to a tweet that has nothing to do with anything in here
2012-10-16 14:02:51 phwd: shepazu: then that's a fault of the user not the bot
2012-10-16 14:03:02 Garbee: bnijenhuis, Actually, it is much more annoying to have it echoed in the room.
2012-10-16 14:03:29 Garbee: Munter, We should just give it one shot.  The owner could not be in that room.
2012-10-16 14:03:30 bnijenhuis: that differs per person...obviously
2012-10-16 14:03:39 Garbee: Not*
2012-10-16 14:03:45 Garbee: We should not give it just one shot*
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2012-10-16 14:04:12 Garbee: bnijenhuis, Well, lets look at it as keeping the logs cleaner.
2012-10-16 14:04:16 shepazu adopts a wait-and-see attitude
2012-10-16 14:04:24 _WiZZarD: well
2012-10-16 14:04:30 _WiZZarD: at least i found the owner ;)
2012-10-16 14:04:35 _WiZZarD pokes Peeter_
2012-10-16 14:04:36 _WiZZarD: err
2012-10-16 14:04:42 _WiZZarD pokes peol even
2012-10-16 14:04:45 Garbee: They are a good resource and adding noise to possible be searched through isn't good.
2012-10-16 14:04:46 _WiZZarD: srry Peeter_
2012-10-16 14:04:47 _WiZZarD: ;)
2012-10-16 14:04:54 Peeter_: You better be.
2012-10-16 14:05:10 _WiZZarD: I am
2012-10-16 14:05:21 bnijenhuis: in my opinion it's much more useful in the log of the tweet is already echoed...but only if it's related to the subject discussed...and that's really up to the users
2012-10-16 14:05:22 Peeter_: The IRC popup just disturbed me and I forgot the cure to hunger.
2012-10-16 14:05:24 shepazu thinks we are adding more noise talking about the bot than the bot did
2012-10-16 14:05:24 _WiZZarD: you just happened to be on my [tab] sooner then expected :)
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2012-10-16 14:05:45 mstalfoort: shepazu, lol indeed
2012-10-16 14:06:18 Munter: The usual road of meta discussions :D
2012-10-16 14:06:38 _WiZZarD: so now we start a discussion about the use of meta discussions right?
2012-10-16 14:06:55 phwd: >.< oh god no
2012-10-16 14:06:58 _WiZZarD grabs some popcorn
2012-10-16 14:07:28 Munter invites everyone to #webplatform-meta, as channel he will not join himself
2012-10-16 14:07:44 _WiZZarD: (:
2012-10-16 14:07:50 arjaneising: part
2012-10-16 14:07:54 Garbee: OK, does anyone else think that we should try to fill in breadcrumbs that are empty?  i.e.  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/coding_guidelines/css   has a breadcrumb that is Coding Guildelines.  It is empty so is completely useless.
2012-10-16 14:08:00 Munter: Organizing communities is hard :)
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2012-10-16 14:08:10 Garbee: -meta, party of one.
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2012-10-16 14:08:47 Garbee: Ideally I would like to see if it is possible on those pages to just generate a children tree automatically.
2012-10-16 14:08:53 _WiZZarD: Munter: so true
2012-10-16 14:08:54 Garbee: For pages like that it would be small and simple.
2012-10-16 14:09:45 _WiZZarD: Garbee: at first there will probably be a couple of empty crumbs ..
2012-10-16 14:10:04 _WiZZarD: that should (hopefully) be fixed over time when more content is added
2012-10-16 14:10:58 Garbee: We can add just a simple summary explaining the guidelines.  But I do think generating a child list automatically would be best so we don't need to remember to go fill that page in too.
2012-10-16 14:11:15 Garbee: I guess eventually someone would find a missing link and either put it in or let us know.
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2012-10-16 14:12:27 Garbee: We do need HTML and JS guidelines though.  Example code for those two needs to be organized.
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2012-10-16 14:12:36 Garbee: Anyone want to write the JS guidelines?
2012-10-16 14:13:34 timbl: part
2012-10-16 14:14:27 Garbee: Does anyone see a reason for this question to be flagged?  I'm not seeing it.  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/885/what-interesting-informations-tips-learn-from-webplatform
2012-10-16 14:14:43 peol: _WiZZarD, Garbee, sorry, I'll remove this channel from the list
2012-10-16 14:14:52 _WiZZarD: np mate
2012-10-16 14:14:57 _WiZZarD: thanks for the response
2012-10-16 14:14:57 socialhapy: part
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2012-10-16 14:17:16 Garbee: peol, What is the bot running on and have you seen it trigger when it wasn't supposed to?
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2012-10-16 14:17:54 peol: Garbee, node, https://github.com/peol/socialhapy -- trigger on what?
2012-10-16 14:18:13 peol: it has some support for github issues/commit urls, twitter links and stuff like that
2012-10-16 14:18:19 Garbee: Like have you seen it send a message by accident somehow.
2012-10-16 14:18:35 Garbee: Actually I guess it couldn't...
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2012-10-16 14:18:56 peol: Not that I'm aware of, please tell me if he did something weird :)
2012-10-16 14:19:20 Garbee: Well, that is what I'm worried about.  I have seen bots like this (especially RSS ones) get crazy.
2012-10-16 14:20:05 peol: nah, he's not doing anything automatically, except streaming twitter accts to specific channels that you set up, but I haven't added any to #webplatform
2012-10-16 14:21:12 Garbee: In that case I'm more inclined to just say leave it until it becomes an issue.  From what I'm seeing it would be hard for this one to misfire like I have seen from others.
2012-10-16 14:21:59 Garbee: Actually, could you at least pull it into #webplatform-offtopic ?  I think it could be useful there actually.
2012-10-16 14:22:27 peol: we've had it in various #jquery (mostly dev) channels for quite a while, only issue i could see is people abusing it by posting twitter links
2012-10-16 14:23:37 Garbee: I'm on leave it until it becomes an issue then.  I'm seeing nothing wrong with the setup. _WiZZarD What do you think on it?
2012-10-16 14:23:53 _WiZZarD agrees on what most people think
2012-10-16 14:23:59 _WiZZarD: I am a very flexible person
2012-10-16 14:24:01 _WiZZarD: :)
2012-10-16 14:24:05 peol: I've added him to -offtopic for now, let me know if you feel like it could contribute to the channel later on
2012-10-16 14:24:25 _WiZZarD: My biggest trigger was that people seemed annoyed with it
2012-10-16 14:24:34 _WiZZarD: :)
2012-10-16 14:24:37 seutje: I like how you call it "him" :P
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2012-10-16 14:25:25 HammHetfield: he may call it "him" because his native language doesn't have "it"
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2012-10-16 14:25:38 _WiZZarD: it does ;)
2012-10-16 14:25:48 HammHetfield: always sound weird to me to call pets "it", sounds like talking about a rock or a chair
2012-10-16 14:25:55 Garbee: I can see where it can get annoying quick.  I have blocked hearing some in rooms I don't Op for the exact reason.  But those also have more active link posters at times.
2012-10-16 14:25:56 HammHetfield: and well… bots are people too !
2012-10-16 14:26:39 Garbee: peol, Pull it back in if you feel like it and we will just keep an eye out.  If people start posting links more then it may need to get pulled back out.
2012-10-16 14:27:17 _WiZZarD: Garbee: about that flagged Q&A thread: it's not really helpfull for people looking for standards, documentation, etc. It's more of a happy thread that goes almost off-topic
2012-10-16 14:27:23 seutje: HammHetfield: well pets tend to have a gender :P
2012-10-16 14:27:33 _WiZZarD: seutje: that depends ;)
2012-10-16 14:27:42 _WiZZarD: sometimes they get "fixed"
2012-10-16 14:28:05 HammHetfield: talk about a fix
2012-10-16 14:28:13 HammHetfield: "shkweek"
2012-10-16 14:28:15 seutje: maybe that's the reason my stepsister keeps calling our male cat "she"
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2012-10-16 15:04:37 NotTomato: Psst any developers here?
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2012-10-16 15:06:24 Garbee: NotTomato, Define developer..
2012-10-16 15:06:58 NotTomato: Someone who would know the names of all of our custom name spaces (exactly). ):
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2012-10-16 15:07:22 Garbee: Ok, not me.
2012-10-16 15:07:48 dontcallmedom didn't understand the required knowledge, so assumes he doesn't have it
2012-10-16 15:07:50 Garbee: I think there should only be WPD
2012-10-16 15:08:42 Garbee: WPD is for meta-level stuff, beyond that it I don't think there should be any other namespaces except for the stuff built in, or possibly added by plugins which may be where the issue comes in.
2012-10-16 15:09:38 dontcallmedom: don't the namespaces show up in the dropdown in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges ?
2012-10-16 15:09:53 NotTomato: I think they would show up if you push advance search.
2012-10-16 15:10:00 NotTomato: I'll try that. ):
2012-10-16 15:10:24 dontcallmedom: I see at least "Stewards" that doesn't seem to be a mediawiki/semantic mediawiki namespace
2012-10-16 15:10:27 NotTomato: Oh yeah they do show up on that drop down too.
2012-10-16 15:10:50 NotTomato: Omg the stewards have a private namespace.
2012-10-16 15:10:54 NotTomato: what do you think they talk about on there
2012-10-16 15:11:03 mdel: stewardly things
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2012-10-16 15:11:29 dontcallmedom: I think they're conspiring to take over the Web!
2012-10-16 15:11:36 dontcallmedom: oh wait, I'm part of one of the stewards
2012-10-16 15:12:02 NotTomato: oh. dom told us all the secrets now.
2012-10-16 15:12:22 Garbee: Let's not worry about what the Stewards are doing in there.
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2012-10-16 15:13:16 NotTomato: PS thanks dom, I can finish writing the dumb family file for pywikipediabot now.
2012-10-16 15:13:42 dontcallmedom: you're working on bot infrastructure! cool
2012-10-16 15:14:21 dontcallmedom: someone else this morning had asked about automatic clean up of the wiki (<PhistucK>)
2012-10-16 15:14:41 dontcallmedom: will you share the source of your bot?
2012-10-16 15:14:45 NotTomato: I just noticed that I need the numbers of the custom namespaces too that they were put on.
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2012-10-16 15:15:15 NotTomato: I can share the source of my bot, but this bot is also available for everyone, here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot
2012-10-16 15:15:54 dontcallmedom: well, that's more a framework than an actual bot? or am I confused?
2012-10-16 15:16:33 NotTomato: It's a pretty well written bot, it usually gets updated everynight sometimes, it is kind of a framework though.
2012-10-16 15:17:06 NotTomato: but it comes with a lot of already written python scripts that do basic clean up
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2012-10-16 15:20:40 NotTomato: where's shepazu when you need him~
2012-10-16 15:21:36 shepazu: what's up?
2012-10-16 15:22:01 NotTomato: What are the numbers that the custom namespaces are attached to? ):
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2012-10-16 15:25:47 mdel: looks like they are IDs, no?
2012-10-16 15:25:57 mdel: for the namespace
2012-10-16 15:26:24 mdel: and custom ones start at 3000?
2012-10-16 15:26:54 NotTomato: Oh, is there a way to see it?
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2012-10-16 15:30:19 shepazu: NotTomato: sorry, why do you need to know this?
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2012-10-16 15:30:58 dontcallmedom: shepazu, for running pywikipediabot
2012-10-16 15:31:07 NotTomato: I need them to set up pywikipediabot.
2012-10-16 15:31:09 shepazu: and what does this bot do?
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: using the 300x trick, the source code has <option value="3000">WPD</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: <option value="3001">WPD talk</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: <option value="3010">Stewards</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: <option value="3011">Stewards talk</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: <option value="3020">Meta</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:11 dontcallmedom: <option value="3021">Meta talk</option>
2012-10-16 15:31:22 mdel: yeah I was just going to suggest that
2012-10-16 15:31:28 mdel: tis all there :)
2012-10-16 15:31:53 dontcallmedom: so, that would be 6 (or 3 if the talk ones are redundant)
2012-10-16 15:32:10 NotTomato: The bot is just a clean up bot, but it does a lot of things like.. replacing text, fixing redirects, things like that.
2012-10-16 15:32:28 NotTomato: shepazu: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot
2012-10-16 15:33:06 NotTomato: Thanks for the help dontcallmedom and mdel.
2012-10-16 15:35:00 shepazu: I'm wary of adding a bot to our system when I don't know more about it… that manual doesn't say much about what it does
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2012-10-16 15:36:45 NotTomato: I see. You can download the bot and see every script or this page has a list: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot/Scripts
2012-10-16 15:36:46 NotTomato: If that helps.
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2012-10-16 15:37:12 shepazu: NotTomato: can you send an email to the list, so we can discuss it? I don't think this is something to be decided ad hoc in IRC
2012-10-16 15:37:20 NotTomato: Okay.
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2012-10-16 16:11:21 Garbee: Should this get counted as spam?  http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2302/1devday-detroit-coming-what-best-promote-webplatform-there
2012-10-16 16:11:54 fr0zenice: hello fellow webplatformers :)
2012-10-16 16:11:55 Garbee: I get wanting to support WPD, but you should be able to find better ways of asking then through Q&A for conferences.
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2012-10-16 16:13:41 NotTomato: If only we had that WPD swag.
2012-10-16 16:13:58 Garbee: btw, Why does the "More" link on the hompage link to the Docs?
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2012-10-16 16:14:03 NotTomato: Hi fr0zenice!
2012-10-16 16:14:05 Garbee: Just there to fill up space?
2012-10-16 16:14:15 fr0zenice: I guess so Garbee
2012-10-16 16:14:17 NotTomato: Maybe something else will go there later Garbee.
2012-10-16 16:14:18 NotTomato: o;
2012-10-16 16:14:26 NotTomato: Like whatever is happening after alpha.
2012-10-16 16:14:29 Garbee would love to buy a sticker for my Laptop of just the WPD logo.
2012-10-16 16:14:50 Garbee: Dropping alpha seems a ways away.
2012-10-16 16:14:59 Garbee: I will open a bug report, that is just annoying.
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2012-10-16 16:22:56 Garbee: Wow, awesome search update on the site.
2012-10-16 16:23:25 Garbee: Looks, buggy but nice update.
2012-10-16 16:24:46 Garbee: btw, does anyone else notice the Desktop Compatability table on the following page printing w/o a table border?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_text
2012-10-16 16:27:31 mdel: Garbee: http://screencloud.net/v/wj9H
2012-10-16 16:28:05 Garbee: *print*
2012-10-16 16:28:11 Garbee: As in check print preview.
2012-10-16 16:28:16 Garbee: Please if you could.
2012-10-16 16:28:24 Garbee: I'm trying to see if it is really just me.
2012-10-16 16:29:00 dontcallmedom: same for me with Firefox
2012-10-16 16:29:21 Garbee: Ok.  I checked the source an am seeing it as 2 diferent table stylings.
2012-10-16 16:29:29 Garbee: I can't track down print styles though.
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2012-10-16 16:34:55 Garbee: Looks like it could be an issue with the forms too.
2012-10-16 16:35:23 Garbee: The mobile table has default mediawiki styling it seems.  I think it should use the better looking compat-table styling in this case.
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2012-10-16 16:47:11 jeffreyatw: Hi guys
2012-10-16 16:47:22 jeffreyatw: I've found duplicate content at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/The_CSS_layout_model_-_boxes_borders_margins_padding and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/the_css_layout_model
2012-10-16 16:47:35 jeffreyatw: I bet there's a lot of that at this point... should I file a bug?
2012-10-16 16:49:59 Garbee: Nah, don't file a bug.  I will add it to the Most Wanted Tasks.
2012-10-16 16:50:26 jeffreyatw: I will also add a "merge candidate" high level issue
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2012-10-16 16:51:14 Garbee: Wait, this is the same stuff.
2012-10-16 16:51:47 Garbee: I think we should just delete the tutorial one.
2012-10-16 16:51:55 Garbee: I don't really think it is a tutorial anyways.
2012-10-16 16:52:08 jeffreyatw: Sure. That was my question, basically - I don't know which one took precedence
2012-10-16 16:52:13 Garbee: Ah, yea it is informative.
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2012-10-16 16:52:38 Garbee: Well, the Guide one is using the forms already (see compatability at the bottom.)
2012-10-16 16:52:54 jeffreyatw: it also has better syntax highlighting
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2012-10-16 16:53:07 jeffreyatw: Should I replace the content of the tutorial with a redirect to the guide?
2012-10-16 16:53:26 Garbee: Um, I'd look into just deleting it.
2012-10-16 16:53:31 Garbee: No real need for a redirect.
2012-10-16 16:54:11 jeffreyatw: OK - there are two pages that link to it, so I'll just relink them to the guide
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2012-10-16 16:54:39 Garbee: Good call.  It might actually be other pages that are duplicates so I'd also check into that.
2012-10-16 16:54:51 Garbee: hehe, the mess that has been made...
2012-10-16 16:55:48 shepazu: Garbee, jeffreyatw, please don't delete pages at this point… first mark them as merge candidates, then we'll discuss strategies for dealing with duplicates on the mailing list
2012-10-16 16:55:49 jeffreyatw: I can't see the option to delete the page. I might not have the privileges to do it
2012-10-16 16:55:57 jeffreyatw: OK, cool
2012-10-16 16:56:14 shepazu: Garbee: you seem to like to delete things :)
2012-10-16 16:56:31 Garbee: shep, I removed *one* section that was out of scope.
2012-10-16 16:56:37 Garbee blushes.
2012-10-16 16:56:39 shepazu: :P
2012-10-16 16:57:00 jeffreyatw: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/The_CSS_layout_model_-_boxes_borders_margins_padding - this has been set as a merge candidate
2012-10-16 16:57:02 Garbee: I will be deleting a lot of first person in this HTML Text page.
2012-10-16 16:57:11 jeffreyatw: should I do the same with the guide page?
2012-10-16 16:57:19 shepazu: jeffreyatw: yeah, please
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2012-10-16 16:58:41 shepazu: Garbee: nothing wrong with deleting things, I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page first :)
2012-10-16 16:58:42 Garbee: shep, Perhaps we should find a place to put down that so if others ask what to do for duplicate content they can know.
2012-10-16 16:58:57 shepazu: Garbee: good idea
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2012-10-16 16:59:30 shepazu: jeffreyatw: please tell me there's a way to indicate which pages are merge candidates of each other when you check the box?
2012-10-16 16:59:48 shepazu: Garbee: where do you think that notice should go?
2012-10-16 16:59:50 jeffreyatw: in editorial notes you can specify the url
2012-10-16 16:59:55 Garbee: shep, Thinking...
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2012-10-16 17:00:34 shepazu notes to Garbee that "shep" doesn't trigger his alerts, so if he wants my attention, he should use my full nick
2012-10-16 17:00:34 Garbee: shepazu, 5-Minute tasks in the Getting Started Guide?  Just if you happen to see duplicate content please flag.
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2012-10-16 17:00:41 shepazu: Garbee: perfect
2012-10-16 17:00:42 Garbee: shepazu, I know.
2012-10-16 17:00:57 shepazu: and maybe in another section about editorial guidelines?
2012-10-16 17:01:03 Garbee: I'm saying that since you are around as just a marker but not to trigger an alert.
2012-10-16 17:01:15 Garbee: Yea, do we have Editoral Guidelines now?
2012-10-16 17:01:21 shepazu: sure, just making sure
2012-10-16 17:01:24 Garbee: That can be very useful.
2012-10-16 17:01:35 shepazu: Garbee: I don't think we do, but I think we should
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2012-10-16 17:02:33 Garbee: Perhaps we should take the "Editing an existing page" content from the Getting Started Guide and merge it into a new Editorial Guidelines as well.
2012-10-16 17:02:45 Garbee: be back in a bit.  Cooking lunch.
2012-10-16 17:02:48 shepazu: Garbee: splendid idea
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2012-10-16 17:20:17 Garbee: shepazu, I know, lunch is awesome.
2012-10-16 17:20:26 shepazu: lol
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2012-10-16 17:21:03 Garbee: Should we keep links to outside resources like this note in the HTML text page pointing to Opera's site to see examples running live?
2012-10-16 17:21:29 Garbee: I don't think we should since we can't gaurntee its uptime.
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2012-10-16 17:21:56 Garbee: guarantee*
2012-10-16 17:22:03 Garbee: Wow that is hard to spell.
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2012-10-16 17:26:09 jeffreyatw: Garbee: is there a place on webplatform.org for standalone HTML files?
2012-10-16 17:26:20 jeffreyatw: A jsfiddle-esque area, possibly?
2012-10-16 17:26:22 Garbee: Not to my knowledge.
2012-10-16 17:26:24 Garbee: Oh no.
2012-10-16 17:26:30 Garbee: It has been discussed though.
2012-10-16 17:26:45 Garbee: What would you like to do?
2012-10-16 17:26:55 jeffreyatw: It should probably exist if the plan is to decommission other external documentation sites
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2012-10-16 17:27:06 Garbee: That isn't the plan.
2012-10-16 17:27:08 timbl: part
2012-10-16 17:27:30 jeffreyatw: But there seems to be a plan to not depend on external documentation sites for example pages/files
2012-10-16 17:27:48 Garbee: That doesn't mean decomissioning them.
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2012-10-16 17:27:57 Garbee: And we do depend upon other sites/resources.
2012-10-16 17:28:05 Garbee: Like Stack Exchange to do tech support.
2012-10-16 17:28:08 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-16 17:28:31 Garbee: Sorry if you don't get the joke there.  You had to be around last week.
2012-10-16 17:29:44 jeffreyatw: Linking to full blog posts or Q/A pages is definitely a good idea, I mean, you need sources and in-depth explanations... and my interest in the potential future decline of other vendor-specific documentation sites stems from my OCD tendency to hate duplicate content
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2012-10-16 17:30:31 jeffreyatw: but as for the examples and zip files linked from that floats page... that's stuff that could definitely live on webplatform.org in some non-wiki regard
2012-10-16 17:30:40 Garbee: I think we will figure it all out in time though.  Right now it is just a heavy focus on cleanup of the bot imports.
2012-10-16 17:30:45 jeffreyatw: ...well actually, maybe zip files can be uploaded to the wiki. I dunno
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2012-10-16 17:31:15 Garbee: Uh, I sure hope we aren't taking uploads like that.  At least not without inspection.
2012-10-16 17:31:41 Garbee: I filed a report asking for inline demo code that is actually ran.
2012-10-16 17:31:50 Garbee: That way we could do some inline stuff for CSS/HTML demo's.
2012-10-16 17:32:06 Garbee: Perhaps even some JS demos could use it.
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2012-10-16 17:33:50 Garbee: Most of it doesn't need a standalone page though.  You can get the point through a small viewport inline.
2012-10-16 17:34:01 jeffreyatw: an iframe?
2012-10-16 17:34:05 Garbee: No.
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2012-10-16 17:34:10 Garbee: Actual inline code being executed.
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2012-10-16 17:34:12 jeffreyatw: I know people are encouraged to use the web inspector to see how stuff works, but people still like to view source
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2012-10-16 17:34:25 Garbee: Exactly, that is why you use inline code.
2012-10-16 17:34:28 shepazu: actually, there have been some discussions about decommissioning other sites if WebPlatform.org succeeds...
2012-10-16 17:34:44 Garbee: Well, the *point* right now isn't to decommission them.
2012-10-16 17:34:50 Garbee: It could just be a side-effect.
2012-10-16 17:35:11 shepazu: as far as uploading active files, storing them, and allowing them to be edited, forked, and exectuted, we are working on that
2012-10-16 17:35:12 Garbee: I'm sure the companies would *love* to do it and reduce their workload.
2012-10-16 17:35:51 shepazu: we are open to ideas about how to execute on the idea of executable code sample
2012-10-16 17:35:53 shepazu: s
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2012-10-16 17:36:06 Garbee: Do I sense a GitHub GIST and jsFiddle combo coming along?
2012-10-16 17:36:26 shepazu: Garbee: I'd love something like that, if we can do it
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2012-10-16 17:36:39 Garbee: We *can*.  The problem is figuring out exactly how..
2012-10-16 17:37:22 Garbee: If I can come up with a thought on how I will shoot the mailing list with it.
2012-10-16 17:37:48 shepazu: leaverou has Dabblet.com, which is nice, but doesn't do JS yet
2012-10-16 17:38:20 shepazu: and I'd like not to rely on github, if possible… it's great, but we don't have any control over it
2012-10-16 17:38:41 shepazu: and I'd rather not rely on 3rd-party services
2012-10-16 17:38:43 jeffreyatw: I think he was just using that as an example
2012-10-16 17:38:57 Garbee: Yea, I'm thinking what could be a new solution.  You would ideally want something like GIST which stores the code and allows forking and all, then jsfiddle sitting on top for editing/executing.
2012-10-16 17:39:04 jeffreyatw: I guess JSFiddle isn't open-source... that's too bad
2012-10-16 17:39:12 shepazu: yeah
2012-10-16 17:39:33 Garbee: Yea, it would need to be a new build kind of thing.  Or find a project (like dabblet) with partial functions and patch it with the GIST style stuff.
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2012-10-16 17:39:49 shepazu: and you'd want to be able to reference a file (or parts of it) from inside the wiki, so we could store our examples in gists
2012-10-16 17:39:53 Garbee: I thinkg dabblet looks perfect in function, but the UI could use a little updating.
2012-10-16 17:40:30 shepazu: well, it would need JS, too
2012-10-16 17:40:40 shepazu: but the functionality that is there is cool
2012-10-16 17:40:49 shepazu: http://dabblet.com/gist/1441328 mouse over the values
2012-10-16 17:41:29 jeffreyatw: that's so awesome
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2012-10-16 17:44:10 David_Bradbury: I think adding something like that to webplatform would be great. Doesn't Lea run Dabblet?
2012-10-16 17:44:40 David_Bradbury: *scrolls up* Yup
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2012-10-16 17:45:52 shepazu: David_Bradbury: and it's open-source, too… the only thing holding us back is how to integrate it into the site in a meaningful way
2012-10-16 17:46:17 shepazu: ideally, we could even run code in an article itself, in an iframe
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2012-10-16 17:47:13 shepazu: right now, dabblet relies on github, so we'll need an alternative to that
2012-10-16 17:47:43 jeffreyatw: I like iframes too - I think separation is important. Trying to reset all of the CSS and keeping the examples' styles scoped (cross-platform) seems like too much work without loading a separate file
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2012-10-16 17:53:21 David_Bradbury: I'm sure we could just take any ".source-cee pre" elements, then parse them and apply the proper changes
2012-10-16 17:53:28 David_Bradbury: ".source-css pre" *
2012-10-16 17:54:01 jeffreyatw: I'm talking about visible examples, not source code
2012-10-16 17:54:49 David_Bradbury: I was talking to shepazu regarding the dabblet mouse over bits
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2012-10-16 17:57:51 jeffreyatw: I would use it. Fold it into Cloud9 or Adobe Brackets or whatever.
2012-10-16 17:58:57 David_Bradbury: If Lea is on later, maybe we can talk to her and see if she is interested in making that happen
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2012-10-16 18:16:06 Garbee:  Wow, dabblet is even more awesome.
2012-10-16 18:16:26 Garbee: If we got it to work off of a local git install would that be acceptable to use?
2012-10-16 18:17:50 fr0zenice: Hmm, could also use the wiki, maybe.
2012-10-16 18:18:15 Garbee: Use the wiki for what?
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2012-10-16 18:18:24 fr0zenice: the revisions of the examples
2012-10-16 18:19:08 Garbee: Well, then your code gets escaped unless we find a way to tell it not to.
2012-10-16 18:20:00 Garbee: I think building dabble on top of MW would be a bigger challenge then using a local git.  Or even plugging into a better git system than Github.  Should be possible somehow though.
2012-10-16 18:20:00 fr0zenice: Yeah I thought about using a special namespace to store the snippets and just pull the source from there.
2012-10-16 18:20:16 fr0zenice: Yup, just in case.
2012-10-16 18:20:28 Garbee: If you can get a demo working...  It is worth taking a look at.
2012-10-16 18:20:43 Garbee: Looks like it is mostly JS though.
2012-10-16 18:20:48 Garbee: Which is not my strong suite.
2012-10-16 18:20:56 fr0zenice: <3 JS
2012-10-16 18:21:10 fr0zenice: my fav. along with C# :)
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2012-10-16 18:56:56 Garbee: shepazu, Under the Manual Of Style - Grammar and Spelling Conventions.  Should we have highlights from the Yahoo Style Guide that are common mistakes we see around the site and/or additions?
2012-10-16 18:58:12 Garbee: I'm seeing a lot of contractions in the article I'm reviewing and it could be an issue elsewhere.  I think it is best for translation/i18n and legibility if we try not to use them so much in the docs.
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2012-10-16 19:06:25 shepazu: Garbee: that seems sensible to me
2012-10-16 19:08:08 Garbee: Ok, I will add a quick bullet point.  Perhaps others who are reading a lot will find common issues and mention them.
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2012-10-16 19:09:50 shepazu: sweet
2012-10-16 19:11:08 jgraham: The flowchart on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started looks like it should have hyperlinks. Can't it be a SVG?
2012-10-16 19:11:31 shepazu: jgraham: once we get SVG as a display format in mediawiki, it will be
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2012-10-16 19:12:33 jgraham: mediawiki doesn't support SVG?
2012-10-16 19:12:35 jgraham: Sucks
2012-10-16 19:12:48 shepazu: jgraham: not out of the box
2012-10-16 19:13:17 shepazu: jgraham: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG
2012-10-16 19:13:18 Garbee: I saw that in the bug tracker too.
2012-10-16 19:14:19 gluxon: Hm... can we add code to a QA answer?
2012-10-16 19:14:36 Garbee: gluxon, You can but it won't be formatted/colored.
2012-10-16 19:14:43 Garbee: It is plain text only now.
2012-10-16 19:14:50 jgraham: shepazu: That seems to be about rendering SVG to bitmaps
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2012-10-16 19:15:12 Garbee: jgraham, That is what it does by default.  But it explains how you can setup SVG rendering in some of the links.
2012-10-16 19:15:23 shepazu: I think SVG will take 2 steps: stripping out script from uploaded SVG, and finding a way to to allow it to be inserted in an iframe or img
2012-10-16 19:16:17 shepazu: Garbee: I don't think it really allows SVG inline
2012-10-16 19:16:21 jgraham: Insert it in an img -> don't need to worry about script (unless people open it outside the <img>)
2012-10-16 19:16:53 jgraham: You could serve it with some MIME type that would cause it to not be rendered in that case (perhaps)
2012-10-16 19:17:10 shepazu: jgraham: I forget… do browsers allow SVG links to work in SVG as img?
2012-10-16 19:17:36 Garbee: Ah!  That is retarded MediaWiki "We support rendering, but they get converted on the fly."... Is that really support? No.
2012-10-16 19:17:45 jgraham: shepazu: I'm not sure
2012-10-16 19:17:52 shepazu tests
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2012-10-16 19:19:09 jgraham still doesn't see anything on that page that doesn't involve rendering the SVG to a bitmap
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2012-10-16 19:21:54 phrearch_: i wonder if there are some thoughts about SEO and websocket applications.
2012-10-16 19:22:11 phrearch_: whats the best way to index a page that solely uses websockets?
2012-10-16 19:22:27 Damianz: Considering no one really supports websockets is it that important :P
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2012-10-16 19:23:00 phrearch_: Damianz: that discusson is old. New browsers support it
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2012-10-16 19:27:00 phrearch_: at least, non-ie browsers. afaik opera, chrome, safari and firefox support it
2012-10-16 19:28:13 Garbee: phrearch_, I think you might be better off asking over at Stack Overflow.  They probably have a lot of people who know about that kind of stuff.
2012-10-16 19:28:30 phrearch_: Garbee: ok thanks for the tip
2012-10-16 19:28:35 Garbee: *Maybe* #web too.
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2012-10-16 19:43:30 Garbee: I wonder if canvas could do it...  With a PNG fallback.
2012-10-16 19:44:26 shepazu: ugh
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2012-10-16 19:44:39 Garbee: pita to program, but it could work.
2012-10-16 19:44:43 shepazu: I'd like to solve the SVG problem
2012-10-16 19:44:49 shepazu: it shouldn't be hard
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2012-10-16 19:45:43 jeffreyatw: Is there a way to add arbitrary HTML attributes to mediawiki links?
2012-10-16 19:45:54 jeffreyatw: e.g. [[Image:layout_fig2.jpg|Two elements with no negative margins applied|style="padding-left:20px"]]
2012-10-16 19:46:35 Garbee: I think you can float it, but I don't think you can add style.  Let me check the syntax docs.
2012-10-16 19:47:41 Garbee: Yea, no style.  Only float.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images
2012-10-16 19:47:54 Garbee: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Horizontal_alignment
2012-10-16 19:48:31 harryrf: Shouldn't Fundamentals on .../wiki/tutorials be listed as HTML, CSS, Web Programming...., JavaScript, CVS?
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2012-10-16 19:49:46 Garbee: harryrf, Makes sense.
2012-10-16 19:50:06 plamoni: Does anyone know if you have to have special permission to post to the public mailing list?
2012-10-16 19:50:24 plamoni: (public-webplatform)
2012-10-16 19:50:25 Garbee: plamoni, No.  But the first email you will be asked to let them archive things.
2012-10-16 19:50:36 Garbee: After that is done then the email will be pushed through.
2012-10-16 19:50:46 plamoni: I sent one this morning, and i gave permission to archive, but it still hasn't posted to the list
2012-10-16 19:50:49 plamoni: it's been abour 4-5 hours
2012-10-16 19:50:55 Garbee: shepazu, Can you look into that one too please?
2012-10-16 19:51:03 Garbee: Sorry, it has been having issues.
2012-10-16 19:51:08 harryrf: Also, the HTML code would be <ol></ol> and not <ul></ul> as it is now?
2012-10-16 19:51:20 plamoni: i tried giving permission to archive again and it said that it already has permission :-)
2012-10-16 19:51:24 plamoni: (just to be sure)
2012-10-16 19:51:27 Garbee: harryrf, Having it as an ol isn't necessary.
2012-10-16 19:51:49 Garbee: The order doesn't matter, it is just helpful to have in a logical order for beginners.
2012-10-16 19:52:03 harryrf: ah okay. still a bit new to this also.
2012-10-16 19:52:29 Garbee: plamoni, Yea.  Someone with more access then I have needs to look at it and approve your message manually.  Then it all should work without issue.
2012-10-16 19:52:41 plamoni: ok
2012-10-16 19:52:43 jgraham: shepazu: Oh
2012-10-16 19:52:48 jgraham: Makes things harder :)
2012-10-16 19:53:06 plamoni: will that happen for all my posts?
2012-10-16 19:53:08 plamoni: or just the first one?
2012-10-16 19:53:22 Garbee: Just the first.
2012-10-16 19:53:24 Garbee: At least for me.
2012-10-16 19:53:28 plamoni: :-D
2012-10-16 19:53:58 Garbee: You would think the W3 lists wouldn't have this kind of issue by this time.  Maybe there is just a bad config in the one for WPD's public list.
2012-10-16 19:54:36 shepazu: Garbee: this list does seem particularly bad… not sure why that is… I'll ask our systems team about it
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2012-10-16 19:54:53 shepazu: plamoni: fixed
2012-10-16 19:55:00 plamoni: coolness, thanks shepazu
2012-10-16 19:55:04 plamoni: and Garbee
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2012-10-16 19:55:44 plamoni: I won't have to resend, right? it should pop through automatically?
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2012-10-16 19:56:54 plamoni: ah, just saw it pop up in the archives
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2012-10-16 19:58:22 Garbee: Reading the name of the company someone works for.
2012-10-16 19:58:28 Garbee: (In the ML)
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2012-10-16 19:59:18 fr0zenice: thought it's funny, too ;)
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2012-10-16 20:09:30 harryrf: Reordered the list, I left "web programming essentials" at the top, as it's a good overview of what will be later read.
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2012-10-16 20:50:14 ericduran: I have one small complain with the website. My username technically is ericduran but it seems to be capitalizing the 1st letter
2012-10-16 20:50:31 Garbee: ericduran, Yea, WikiMedia does it automatically.
2012-10-16 20:50:39 Garbee: It is required for the way they do URLs.
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2012-10-16 20:50:56 Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/53/please-dont-capitalize-the-first-letter-of-the-username
2012-10-16 20:51:01 ericduran: Garbee: Ahh ok then I'll just deal with it ;-)
2012-10-16 20:51:10 Garbee: ericduran, You have no choice. ;)
2012-10-16 20:51:11 chris_cook: just an idea regarding that... could we not over-ride it with CSS?
2012-10-16 20:51:33 ericduran: Garbee: Is ok, I like it this way, it makes me feel like I made the choice to deal with it
2012-10-16 20:51:35 Garbee: Uh.. No.  It is stored in the DB and then some names do have a capital first letter.
2012-10-16 20:52:10 chris_cook: good point
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2012-10-16 21:19:17 fr0zenice: currently testing a Q2A markdown editor @ http://webplatform.frozenice.de/q2a/ if anyone wants to play with it
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2012-10-16 21:20:55 ericduran: @fr0zenice: nice!
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2012-10-16 21:23:28 fr0zenice: maybe the 2nd level ones
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2012-10-16 21:23:43 Garbee: I like it though.
2012-10-16 21:24:46 fr0zenice: some bugs to get rid of, but might be usable
2012-10-16 21:25:32 Garbee: What bugs?
2012-10-16 21:25:42 fr0zenice: see the red box in the upper right
2012-10-16 21:26:02 fr0zenice: some aren't exactly bugs, though :p
2012-10-16 21:27:03 fr0zenice: some of those render correctly in preview, but when posted
2012-10-16 21:27:16 fr0zenice: +not
2012-10-16 21:30:02 fr0zenice: shepazu might want to take a look at the editor.
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2012-10-16 21:31:01 fr0zenice: m/b I'll throw a user sort plugin together tomorrow
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2012-10-16 21:38:15 David_Bradbury: I don't care if the site forces capitalization - That said, whoever designed the pages to act like that clearly doesn't understand proper application and database design.
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2012-10-16 21:39:04 shepazu: fr0zenice: looks great!
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2012-10-16 22:41:24 Ryan_Lane: everything going well?
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2012-10-16 22:46:21 boulderjams: Having a good day.. yourself ?
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2012-10-16 22:50:44 Ryan_Lane: going well
2012-10-16 22:51:02 Ryan_Lane: I'm just making sure no one's having any issues. I'm at a conference and like to check in occasionally ;)
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2012-10-16 22:52:12 Garbee: I haven't heard of any issues outside of the Mailing List which has been addressed.
2012-10-16 22:52:20 Ryan_Lane: great
2012-10-16 22:52:37 Ryan_Lane: some of the openstack people are eagerly awaiting the release of our salt repo
2012-10-16 22:52:59 Ryan_Lane: the openstack infrastructure people starting using salt recent
2012-10-16 22:53:01 Ryan_Lane: *recently
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2012-10-16 22:53:13 Garbee: What is salt?
2012-10-16 22:53:26 Ryan_Lane: what we're using for configuration management. it's like puppet or chef
2012-10-16 22:53:36 Ryan_Lane: but written in python
2012-10-16 22:54:05 Garbee: Ah.
2012-10-16 22:54:12 Garbee: No wonder I had no clue. ;)
2012-10-16 22:54:27 Garbee: So, does that work with French Fries too?
2012-10-16 22:54:40 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-16 22:54:47 Ryan_Lane: not so well with slugs
2012-10-16 22:54:49 Garbee: What conference are you at?
2012-10-16 22:54:53 Ryan_Lane: openstack
2012-10-16 22:56:22 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: hey, tell them we're using openstack!
2012-10-16 22:56:26 shepazu: r
2012-10-16 22:56:45 Ryan_Lane: they know :)
2012-10-16 22:57:06 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: also… who should I talk to about allowing SVG to be rendered in an iframe in MW?
2012-10-16 22:57:11 shepazu: they know?
2012-10-16 22:57:13 shepazu: yay!
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2012-10-16 22:58:20 shepazu: Ryan_Lane: did someone actually mention WebPlatform.org?
2012-10-16 23:00:33 Ryan_Lane: I've been mentioning it
2012-10-16 23:01:26 Garbee: Have you been giving some schwag out?
2012-10-16 23:01:37 shepazu: oh. well, not as cool, but still cool :)
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2012-10-16 23:06:12 Ryan_Lane: Garbee: I don't have any :(
2012-10-16 23:06:41 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: yeah. not much get mentioned here unless it's a cloud deployment (meaning deploying openstack itself)
2012-10-16 23:07:05 shepazu: nerds
2012-10-16 23:07:23 Garbee: Dull nerds.
2012-10-16 23:07:46 Ryan_Lane: :D
2012-10-16 23:08:04 Ryan_Lane: well, depends on what you consider dull :)
2012-10-16 23:08:22 Ryan_Lane: I thought the CERN and SpaceX talks were kind of great
2012-10-16 23:08:33 shepazu: cool!
2012-10-16 23:08:42 Garbee: Woa, hold up. CERN was there?
2012-10-16 23:08:58 Garbee: NASA > SpaceX
2012-10-16 23:09:04 Ryan_Lane: yeah. Tim Bell is one of the board members
2012-10-16 23:09:12 Garbee: That is cool.
2012-10-16 23:09:17 shepazu: SpaceX is supercool
2012-10-16 23:09:24 Ryan_Lane: yeah
2012-10-16 23:09:35 Ryan_Lane: hm. wait. was that at puppetconf?
2012-10-16 23:09:35 Garbee: Did SpaceX land a rover on Mars from a sky crane?  NO!
2012-10-16 23:09:57 shepazu: NASA is also supercool :)
2012-10-16 23:10:06 Ryan_Lane: awww. it was puppetconf, yeah
2012-10-16 23:10:08 Garbee: I think it is cool private companies are doing space stuff, but NASA still rules.
2012-10-16 23:10:13 Ryan_Lane: cern was also at puppetconf
2012-10-16 23:10:21 Garbee: Until someone gets us to the moon so I can live there, then *they* rule.
2012-10-16 23:10:23 Ryan_Lane: NASA was one of the original launchers of openstack
2012-10-16 23:10:41 Ryan_Lane: CERN did a keynote last openstack summit
2012-10-16 23:10:48 Ryan_Lane: mark shuttleworth did one this time
2012-10-16 23:11:10 Garbee: Unless he announced no more Unity, I don't care what he has to say...
2012-10-16 23:11:14 Ryan_Lane: hahahaha
2012-10-16 23:11:15 Garbee: ^^ a joke people.
2012-10-16 23:11:19 Ryan_Lane: it's was a juju talk
2012-10-16 23:11:35 Garbee: The JuJu of how Unity sucks?  I think we all already knew that.
2012-10-16 23:11:53 Ryan_Lane: juju is like salt/puppet/chef
2012-10-16 23:12:11 Garbee: I bet that is what is in their server admin packge.
2012-10-16 23:12:15 Garbee: Can't remember the name of it...
2012-10-16 23:12:15 Ryan_Lane: seeing as that I used salt for webplatform, you can tell how I feel about juju :)
2012-10-16 23:12:26 Ryan_Lane: MaaS?
2012-10-16 23:12:27 Garbee: Landscape!
2012-10-16 23:12:28 Ryan_Lane: ah
2012-10-16 23:12:30 Ryan_Lane: landscape
2012-10-16 23:12:37 Ryan_Lane: the proprietary thing
2012-10-16 23:12:38 Garbee: Yea, there multi server mangement stuff.
2012-10-16 23:12:47 Garbee: Like Microsoft has in Server 2012 now.
2012-10-16 23:12:57 Ryan_Lane: I'll continue ignoring it until it's open source
2012-10-16 23:12:59 Garbee: (Which is quite nice.  If only Windows made much sense for servers.)
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2012-10-16 23:15:24 Ryan_Lane: yeah. I've used that before
2012-10-16 23:15:40 Garbee: ugh.  /me bangs head against desk.
2012-10-16 23:15:51 Ryan_Lane: Red Hat Satellite Server (Spacewalk upstream) is much nicer
2012-10-16 23:15:54 Garbee: Sessions are killing me today.
2012-10-16 23:16:37 Garbee: Yea, Red Hat seems to do all the cool stuff.  Novell brand stuff always just looks nasty to me.
2012-10-16 23:16:45 Ryan_Lane: heh
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2012-10-17 01:28:38 arkhi: Good mooooorning!
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2012-10-17 01:48:54 mdel: to anyone following along on the list - what are the real barriers in having templates and such on Github?
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2012-10-17 01:51:43 mdel: i dont think I have access to editing templates, but I'm curious if there would be a way for folks to test their template changes before submitting a pull request
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2012-10-17 02:37:55 clarkpan: Hi guys, is there a reason theres a whole bunch of posts on the Q&A by Wikisysop?
2012-10-17 02:38:20 clarkpan: isn't that the default mediawiki user?
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2012-10-17 02:43:19 mdel: clarkpan: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2298/who-is-the-wikisysop-operating-user-on-wiki-q-a
2012-10-17 02:44:04 clarkpan: so its a bug?
2012-10-17 02:47:04 mdel: im not sure, I've only read here and in the Q&A that anon users are recognized as that
2012-10-17 02:47:38 mdel: i also see "anonymous" users...
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2012-10-17 02:50:01 clarkpan: I thought maybe it was the system pulling in questions from another external source or something
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2012-10-17 02:52:24 mdel: clarkpan: nah, definitely not that
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2012-10-17 02:52:56 mdel: either way, it's a known issue, im just not sure of the cause or what the plan is for resolving it
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2012-10-17 03:16:31 mike5w3c: shepazu: see above question from clarkpan about "whole bunch of posts on the Q&A by Wikisysop"
2012-10-17 03:16:56 mike5w3c wonders who has admin access to the wiki and if who it is hangs out here
2012-10-17 03:17:46 shepazu: mike5w3c: I do, and I do
2012-10-17 03:18:09 mike5w3c: right on
2012-10-17 03:18:11 mike5w3c: groovy
2012-10-17 03:18:32 shepazu: mike5w3c: we've been having some trouble with authentication on the QA forums
2012-10-17 03:18:57 mike5w3c: ah
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2012-10-17 03:37:52 DarkW: hello.. i have some button links that i'm trying to line vertically, they're <a href.......><img etc></a>  inside of a div id of leftcolumn and in css leftcolumn i put float:left;  i need them to list vertically, but they're showing horizontally.. i'm only allowed to use css to do it, not allowed to touch the html (or i'd use unordered list).. but i'm having trouble figuring that one out
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2012-10-17 03:39:58 shepazu: DarkW: have you tried using display: inline-block ?
2012-10-17 03:40:56 arkhi: DarkW: Can you put your code here and send a link back? http://jsfiddle.net/
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2012-10-17 03:41:38 DarkW: yeah i've tried the inline-block display, and sure arkhi 1 sec
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2012-10-17 03:44:16 DarkW: http://jsfiddle.net/ss543/
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2012-10-17 03:48:19 DarkW: i notice on smaller screen sizes it does.. if i keep firefox window small its vertical.. if i maximize, it isn't
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2012-10-17 03:49:25 DarkW: http://www.netbreakers.com/image.jpg
2012-10-17 03:49:50 arkhi: DarkW:
2012-10-17 03:49:50 arkhi: .mainnav {
2012-10-17 03:49:50 arkhi:     display: block;
2012-10-17 03:49:50 arkhi: }
2012-10-17 03:50:35 DarkW: ahah.. ty that works
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2012-10-17 03:59:26 clarkpan: Hmm is there a nice wiki page that explains document flow that we could've linked that person to?
2012-10-17 04:01:10 arkhi: clarkpan: That surely would have been better, my bad.
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2012-10-17 04:06:31 clarkpan: heres the best one i can find
2012-10-17 04:06:32 clarkpan: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Floats_and_clearing
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2012-10-17 04:08:06 arkhi: DarkW: Still here? You probably should read the article clarkpan just mentioned. :)
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2012-10-17 04:10:43 DarkW: will do
2012-10-17 04:11:15 clarkpan: I don't know if someone like DarkW could've found that article without first knowing what they were searching for
2012-10-17 04:12:01 clarkpan: I mean i tried looking in Concepts first, where i thought such an article would exist
2012-10-17 04:12:43 clarkpan: then i looked into CSS which is just a list of properties
2012-10-17 04:12:55 clarkpan: You can only really find this page if you knew what you were looking for
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2012-10-17 04:15:13 mdel: clarkpan: it's first for a search of "float"
2012-10-17 04:15:26 DarkW: i'm familiar with whats on that page but don't think it would have worked for what i needed
2012-10-17 04:15:32 mdel: i think search was improved today or yesterday too, so that should be leveraged as much as possible
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2012-10-17 04:16:04 clarkpan: Ah i was searching for document flow or along those lines
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2012-10-17 04:16:20 clarkpan: yea searching float makes more sense :)
2012-10-17 04:16:25 DarkW: was floating the entire div, not each button individually or that would have probably worked
2012-10-17 04:16:35 css: part
2012-10-17 04:17:59 clarkpan: yea for your problem its not the floating that was what's causing it
2012-10-17 04:18:07 clarkpan: its that a and img elements are inline elements
2012-10-17 04:18:21 clarkpan: and thus follow document flow
2012-10-17 04:18:37 DarkW: if i could touch the html i would of just put it in an unorder list or add br tags and be done with it lol
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2012-10-17 04:19:10 clarkpan: Try this
2012-10-17 04:19:23 clarkpan: #leftcolumn a { display:block;}
2012-10-17 04:19:44 clarkpan: actually that does exactly what arkhi's code does as well
2012-10-17 04:19:50 DarkW: i just did .mainnav as arkhi gave me and that worked
2012-10-17 04:20:15 clarkpan: yep he's correct
2012-10-17 04:20:26 clarkpan: do you understand why it worked?
2012-10-17 04:20:51 DarkW: yeah
2012-10-17 04:21:23 clarkpan: ah awesome, i'll just be quiet then
2012-10-17 04:21:26 DarkW: a case of something i overlooked and didn't think of ^_^
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2012-10-17 04:28:03 arkhi: DarkW: Make sure that if you can trigger an element with its class instead of a child selector or an ID, you use that class instead.
2012-10-17 04:28:03 arkhi: It’s a bit more flexible and less demanding for the browser.
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2012-10-17 04:31:21 clarkpan: also much easier to read
2012-10-17 04:31:46 styfle: hello world
2012-10-17 04:32:03 clarkpan: hello styfle
2012-10-17 04:32:28 styfle: this webplatform stuff looks exciting
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2012-10-17 04:37:04 DarkW: ok arkhi, here's one for you.. some of the text ends up underneath that navigation column instead of to the right.. whats the best way to push the text over with css?
2012-10-17 04:37:49 arkhi: overflow: hidden on the container aside the float. :p
2012-10-17 04:38:42 clarkpan: hmm
2012-10-17 04:38:50 clarkpan: i think he's actually looking for either
2012-10-17 04:38:52 clarkpan: #rightcolumn {
2012-10-17 04:38:55 arkhi: or auto, actually, but you might end up with scrollbars.
2012-10-17 04:38:59 clarkpan: margin-left:16%;
2012-10-17 04:39:00 clarkpan: }
2012-10-17 04:39:09 DarkW: ah k
2012-10-17 04:39:29 clarkpan: or floating the right column and then overflow hidden on container
2012-10-17 04:39:41 DarkW: i like the margin idea better :P
2012-10-17 04:40:54 arkhi:  considering you mix % and pixels, this might get trickier at some point…
2012-10-17 04:41:09 arkhi: Depends on your site, context of the project, etc.
2012-10-17 04:42:41 clarkpan: yeah fluid margins never work out too well
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2012-10-17 04:43:19 DarkW: not really a complex project.. that text bit was hurting me :o  but that pretty much finished the job.. i might play around with pixels instead for awhile
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2012-10-17 04:43:57 DarkW: yeah, i find it gets messy when you decrease the screen size or browser window size
2012-10-17 04:44:28 DarkW: but isn't fluidity meant to work on all sizes?
2012-10-17 04:45:08 clarkpan: it is, if everything that affects the box model is using percentages
2012-10-17 04:45:22 clarkpan: however, for the leftcolumn, you've declared a percentage width
2012-10-17 04:45:30 clarkpan: but px values for padding and margins
2012-10-17 04:45:34 mdel: relevant: http://paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/
2012-10-17 04:46:06 clarkpan: i know everyone's been advocating using * { box-sizing:border-box; }
2012-10-17 04:46:10 clarkpan: but what if he needs ie7...
2012-10-17 04:46:25 mdel: thats certainly a consideration
2012-10-17 04:47:28 DarkW: why couldn't css just be more like C++ and use variables :)
2012-10-17 04:47:28 DarkW: lol
2012-10-17 04:47:35 styfle: does border-box work on all browsers though?
2012-10-17 04:48:06 mdel: down to IE7 with polyfills
2012-10-17 04:48:10 mdel: maybe even IE6
2012-10-17 04:48:15 mdel: DarkW: see Sass :)
2012-10-17 04:48:33 DarkW: clarkpan: the beauty of it is they're only testing with firefox :p
2012-10-17 04:48:42 styfle: does IE 8 support without pollyfills...?
2012-10-17 04:48:46 mdel: yes
2012-10-17 04:48:53 styfle: oh good
2012-10-17 04:49:11 clarkpan: i would still love to see people advocating understanding the box-model first
2012-10-17 04:49:12 styfle: and i'm guessing it degrades somewhat gracefully?
2012-10-17 04:49:19 DarkW: but technically, as long as it degrades gracefully on older browsers i'm fine
2012-10-17 04:49:20 clarkpan: the degrades terribly
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2012-10-17 04:49:30 mdel: clarkpan: i definitely advocate understanding it, of course
2012-10-17 04:49:34 clarkpan: your layouts will go completely bonkers
2012-10-17 04:49:58 styfle: yeah i suppose if the padding is off then stuff can get messed up quickly
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2012-10-17 04:51:00 mdel: i've used it successfully on several sites supporting down to IE7 with no issues using the polyfill
2012-10-17 04:51:42 mdel: it depends on proper calculations of course, but using a preprocesser stack like Sass + Susy for semantic grids will take care of that
2012-10-17 04:51:50 clarkpan: (not sarcastic) i would love to see some of them
2012-10-17 04:52:29 mdel: PMed
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2012-10-17 05:01:28 styfle: I think I found a bug: http://i.imgur.com/Z2LuY.png
2012-10-17 05:01:34 styfle: Look at the edit button
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2012-10-17 05:09:28 arkhi: styfle: Cool! Maybe you can check in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org and add it if it’s not there already?
2012-10-17 05:11:15 styfle: do i have to make an account there too?
2012-10-17 05:11:51 arkhi: I suppose you do, sorry, but try your WPD account first…
2012-10-17 05:12:10 styfle: invalid
2012-10-17 05:17:48 mdel: g'night all
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2012-10-17 05:18:51 styfle: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19569
2012-10-17 05:19:09 styfle: @arkhi Okay I filed the bug
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2012-10-17 07:11:45 _WiZZarD: morning all
2012-10-17 07:12:49 icaaq: _WiZZarD: Morning
2012-10-17 07:13:08 eighty4: Morning
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2012-10-17 07:23:20 arkhi: Good morning _WiZZarD
2012-10-17 07:24:14 _WiZZarD: where can I file a feature request for having more hours in one day?
2012-10-17 07:24:30 _WiZZarD is somehow always missing like 12 hours to get everything done :(
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2012-10-17 07:28:33 arkhi: _WiZZarD: Ask the Doc…
2012-10-17 07:30:16 _WiZZarD: I would, if I had time for that ;)
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2012-10-17 08:30:57 Ryan_Lane: switched images to local storgae
2012-10-17 08:31:01 Ryan_Lane: storage
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2012-10-17 08:31:58 Ryan_Lane: *awake
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2012-10-17 11:08:01 Unitron: Hello!
2012-10-17 11:09:57 Unitron: Dart language relise. http://www.dartlang.org/ What u think about Dart?
2012-10-17 11:10:46 Unitron: Hey any here?
2012-10-17 11:11:27 Sandkorn: Here, but no opinion (yet) :-)
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2012-10-17 11:14:19 Unitron: And see there are Dart Editor?
2012-10-17 11:14:30 Unitron: Where download editor for JS?
2012-10-17 11:14:51 greench: Hello, I prepared Turkish subtitle for webed introduction video on youtube(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded). Please add it to video. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webed/2012Oct/0001.html
2012-10-17 11:14:51 Unitron: JS/HTML6/CSS/WebGL please
2012-10-17 11:15:59 greench: Unitron Any text editor can be used for JavaScript.
2012-10-17 11:16:16 Unitron: no
2012-10-17 11:16:27 Unitron: i Want special editor
2012-10-17 11:17:10 Unitron: i just not found good open editor for JS :(
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2012-10-17 11:19:25 Unitron: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY?
2012-10-17 11:19:31 Unitron: Help please
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2012-10-17 11:19:45 Unitron: What editors u use?
2012-10-17 11:19:49 Unitron: open...
2012-10-17 11:21:36 Sandkorn: Pick one you like and stay with it..
2012-10-17 11:21:43 Sandkorn: get comfortable and learn everything your tool is able to do over time..
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2012-10-17 11:22:07 Sandkorn: My personal favourite is (g)vim .. sublime seems to be popular these days.. google some, play with it, pick one you like :-)
2012-10-17 11:23:50 coda: sublimetext is nice and free (you can register it). if you look for an IDE type editor, then webstorm / phpstorm / intellij are nice but they are not cheap. you get a good trial though
2012-10-17 11:24:43 coda: you can even use cloud9 and edit in your browser
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2012-10-17 11:29:01 greench: aptana may be fine...
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2012-10-17 11:31:18 Unitron: aptana, eclipse, netbeasn all work normal only top computer
2012-10-17 11:31:25 Unitron: slow programms
2012-10-17 11:31:29 Unitron: cose Java
2012-10-17 11:31:40 jebbis: part
2012-10-17 11:32:05 Unitron: Maybe u know open/free alternative too Phpstorm?
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2012-10-17 11:36:10 eighty4: coda: Sublime is actually "free"
2012-10-17 11:39:07 coda: http://www.sublimetext.com/buy
2012-10-17 11:39:43 coda: free as long as you don't mind that. if it's your bread and butter, $59 is not exactly taxing
2012-10-17 11:41:08 eighty4: I'm using it for "free" atm, I've already payed for chocolat this month.
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2012-10-17 11:54:52 Unitron: stop  spam plz
2012-10-17 11:55:47 Unitron: hapi what?
2012-10-17 11:55:51 Unitron: we about editors
2012-10-17 11:56:29 hapi: my bad, sorry
2012-10-17 11:58:46 Unitron: ok
2012-10-17 11:58:48 ironfroggy: Excess Flood
2012-10-17 11:58:49 Unitron: thx no all
2012-10-17 11:58:50 eighty4: Morning HammHetfield
2012-10-17 11:59:02 HammHetfield: eighty4: good morning to you
2012-10-17 11:59:04 Unitron: bb
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2012-10-17 17:26:23 Garbee: eighty4, Sublime Text is *not* free.  It has a free trial with no limits, but the license is $60.
2012-10-17 17:27:18 eighty4: Garbee: you actually go throw the entire logs each day? I wrote that yesterday, didn I? :) And yes you are correct
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2012-10-17 17:27:47 Garbee: That was from this morning.
2012-10-17 17:27:59 Garbee: And yes, I go through logs every day of what I missed.
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2012-10-17 17:28:32 Garbee: I'm also wondering who Unitron told to stop spamming.  I didn't see any.
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2012-10-17 17:29:45 Garbee: Pretty quite day overall though.
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2012-10-17 17:33:12 David_Bradbury: I <3 Sublime. I wish I could use it at work though =/
2012-10-17 17:35:58 Garbee: Why can't you?
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2012-10-17 17:48:09 David_Bradbury: Boss wants us all on the same text editor
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2012-10-17 17:48:31 Garbee: Why?
2012-10-17 17:48:39 Garbee: Sorry, it just makes no sense to me.
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2012-10-17 17:49:51 David_Bradbury: He has said that he wants us to be able to work on eachother's computers without relying on your personal text editor
2012-10-17 17:50:00 David_Bradbury: Doesn't make sense to me either, but oh well
2012-10-17 17:50:17 Garbee: Sorry man.  Just keep looking at the greener side and join us when you can.
2012-10-17 17:50:26 Garbee: ;)
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2012-10-17 17:53:25 David_Bradbury: Hah, well, I use it at home and that's good enough for me for now
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2012-10-17 17:53:47 Garbee: Inbox... keeps... growing...
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2012-10-17 18:07:02 David_Bradbury: *, a, e - Problem solved
2012-10-17 18:07:24 Garbee: Is that the key combination to delete everything in gmail?
2012-10-17 18:07:41 David_Bradbury: (* = select, a = all, e = archive)
2012-10-17 18:07:49 David_Bradbury: Archive, yup
2012-10-17 18:07:51 Garbee: Yea, won't work for me.
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2012-10-17 18:07:55 Garbee does not use gmail.
2012-10-17 18:07:58 David_Bradbury: Hmm
2012-10-17 18:08:07 David_Bradbury: Ctrl + A, Delete ?
2012-10-17 18:08:17 Garbee: I am using stuff running on my web host and Outlook.com.
2012-10-17 18:08:38 Garbee: I'm not worried about deleting it.  Just right then as I was going through all the ML stuff more kept coming in.
2012-10-17 18:09:15 David_Bradbury: Fair enough. I've been increasingly diligent about keeping my inbox empty and applying proper filters and folders to everything
2012-10-17 18:09:41 Garbee: I could, I'm just too lazy.
2012-10-17 18:09:47 Garbee: If I need something I just search.
2012-10-17 18:10:08 Garbee: I have a few folders like one for Product Keys, one for Reciepts, etc.  But unless it is general stuff like that folders is too much work.
2012-10-17 18:10:29 mdel_away uses filters like a crazy person
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2012-10-17 18:12:23 David_Bradbury: :) - My biggest uses are for filtering all the advertisements I get into an 'ads' folder, so when I feel like grabbing a pizza or getting a discount on a domain, I can look there without it cluttering my inbox. I also have a psudo-GTD system hooked up where I e-mail things to myself and assign tasks, next actions, and references
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2012-10-17 18:13:07 Garbee: I dispise email in the first place.  I only use it because it is basically required for the internets.
2012-10-17 18:13:27 mdel: email > phone calls though
2012-10-17 18:13:48 Garbee: I don't really even give out my number, so that isn't an issue either.
2012-10-17 18:14:07 mdel: ah
2012-10-17 18:14:16 mdel: yeah i have a phone on my desk at work
2012-10-17 18:15:23 mdel: well, its my cell phone :) but my work number redirects to it
2012-10-17 18:15:37 mdel is offtopic and will STFU
2012-10-17 18:16:04 Garbee: I think we need to decide exactly what the comment system on the site is for.
2012-10-17 18:17:18 mdel: in the Q&A noone knows when to answer and when to comment
2012-10-17 18:17:23 mdel: myself included
2012-10-17 18:18:36 Garbee: What do you mean?
2012-10-17 18:19:12 mdel: are you talking about the comments in Q&A
2012-10-17 18:19:19 Garbee: No, the Docs.
2012-10-17 18:19:28 mdel: ah ok...
2012-10-17 18:19:29 Garbee: Q&A should be straightforward when to do what.
2012-10-17 18:19:47 mdel: it kinda isn't, at least from what I see
2012-10-17 18:19:51 shepazu: David_Bradbury: are you an admin yet?
2012-10-17 18:20:08 David_Bradbury: Hah, nah
2012-10-17 18:20:16 shepazu: are you interested?
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2012-10-17 18:21:02 David_Bradbury: Oh, certainly.
2012-10-17 18:21:18 shepazu: David_Bradbury: do you promise to be good? :P
2012-10-17 18:21:25 shepazu: and what's your username?
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2012-10-17 18:21:47 David_Bradbury: Hah, I always am. I believe it is just DavidBradbury, but I'll double check.
2012-10-17 18:21:55 mdel: shepazu: while you are in there, can you check my permissions as well: mdel
2012-10-17 18:22:07 shepazu: mdel: are you not an admin yet?
2012-10-17 18:22:09 shepazu: geez
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2012-10-17 18:22:14 shepazu: ok, will do
2012-10-17 18:22:20 David_Bradbury: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Bradbury
2012-10-17 18:22:24 mdel: :)
2012-10-17 18:22:31 shepazu: whoops, brb
2012-10-17 18:22:42 eternicode is also not admin yet.
2012-10-17 18:23:00 eternicode: I thought cmills just hadn't gotten to that yet.
2012-10-17 18:23:21 mdel: same
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2012-10-17 18:44:31 eighty4: Garbee: the guy pasting the altjs link (I'm guessing)
2012-10-17 18:44:48 Garbee: Yea, figured that out after a while.  Still don't know why Unitron thought that was spam.
2012-10-17 18:45:22 Garbee: Whatever though, at least he didn't go crazy on the chatroom.
2012-10-17 18:45:58 Garbee: Not worth worrying about at this point.
2012-10-17 18:46:00 eighty4: David_Bradbury: I desided the exact same thing two years back at work :) Then I wanted to try some other editor and I desided it was bullshit. Now I'm using sublime, someone's using coda the rest is using textmate
2012-10-17 18:46:56 David_Bradbury: We're using UltraEdit @_@
2012-10-17 18:47:22 eighty4: Garbee: he seems a bit unused to this form of communication :) and probably didn't realize the altjs link was a suggestion for him.
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2012-10-17 18:48:21 Garbee: eighty4, That and/or the translation he does.  English isn't their native language.
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2012-10-17 18:50:43 shepazu: eternicode, mdel, David_Bradbury, welcome to the admin group, and thank you!
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2012-10-17 18:50:56 fr0zenice: congrats!
2012-10-17 18:50:57 David_Bradbury: Thanks shepazu :)
2012-10-17 18:51:45 Ryan_Lane: ?
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2012-10-17 18:51:59 Ryan_Lane: we celebrating something? :)
2012-10-17 18:52:07 fr0zenice: your arrival!
2012-10-17 18:52:13 fr0zenice: and new admins.
2012-10-17 18:52:23 Ryan_Lane: ah. cool. yay for new admins!
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2012-10-17 18:58:47 Garbee: Is there a way to mark and pull a specific section of content out of a wiki article for discussion?
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2012-10-17 18:59:11 Damianz: In a raw/html format?
2012-10-17 18:59:22 Garbee: I'd like to be able to say highlight a section and that would add that nice comment box, that we we could discuss something relating to it.
2012-10-17 18:59:31 Garbee: Mediawiki formatting.
2012-10-17 18:59:56 Damianz: dunno about commenting, you can pull the section from the api
2012-10-17 19:00:08 Garbee: Even a section is too much.
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2012-10-17 19:00:12 Garbee: It is literally one line.
2012-10-17 19:00:50 Garbee: We have the comment intiated on an h1 " = text = ".  It would be cool to also have some kind of editing style to pull it into a certain place just for normal text.
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2012-10-17 19:03:56 mdel is late to the party, as usual
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2012-10-17 19:41:34 Garbee: I just fully deleted the Developer Tools page.  Moving the browser stuff into Tutorials and the rest we can decide where to put it later.
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2012-10-17 19:41:55 Garbee: Having it where it was though isn't a good idea.
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2012-10-17 19:43:27 Garbee: And yea, I know "deleting w/o flagging isn't a good idea", but considering I was the only one working on it and there were no links too it we should be good.
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2012-10-17 20:08:23 eighty4: yeah. You're probably right. I shouldn't even be arguing in the state I'm currently in :)
2012-10-17 20:08:34 eighty4: evening chris_cook
2012-10-17 20:08:37 eighty4: and jeffreyatw
2012-10-17 20:08:43 chris_cook: good evening
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2012-10-17 20:26:24 shepazu: Garbee: deleting your own stuff is fine :)
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2012-10-17 20:27:16 Garbee: Oh, I also wanted to say thanks to you shepazu.  I loved having a tl;dr for long emails.
2012-10-17 20:27:27 Garbee: love*
2012-10-17 20:27:36 shepazu: :D
2012-10-17 20:30:50 Garbee: I need to come up with a standard email signature.
2012-10-17 20:31:14 Damianz: - <name>
2012-10-17 20:31:20 Damianz: signatures are overrated
2012-10-17 20:31:32 Garbee: btw, Did you ever finish your email on the purpose of IRC/Q&A and what you thought on doing normal support shep?
2012-10-17 20:31:44 Garbee: That is still a signature Damianz.
2012-10-17 20:32:04 Ryan_Lane: Damianz: ah. didn't notice you had joined this channel ;)
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2012-10-17 20:32:16 Damianz: Ryan_Lane: *runs away*
2012-10-17 20:32:18 Garbee: I need to think of how I want all my emails to end.  I'm thinking " Thanks, \n Garbee "
2012-10-17 20:32:47 Damianz: ARGH
2012-10-17 20:32:51 Damianz: Why whitespace at the end of the line
2012-10-17 20:32:52 Damianz: bad
2012-10-17 20:33:11 Garbee: What whitespace?
2012-10-17 20:33:12 Damianz: "Thanks,\n Garbee", possibly.
2012-10-17 20:33:27 Garbee: I put spaces from the quotes just to separate it in IRC.
2012-10-17 20:33:41 Ryan_Lane: heh. developers. always with the whitespace arguments :)
2012-10-17 20:33:43 varl: Garbee: I use "\n/v." and type "cheers", "best regards", "my best", etc. based on the email
2012-10-17 20:34:02 Ryan_Lane: Damianz: now I'm going to add random whitespace in Labs emails, just for you ;)
2012-10-17 20:34:03 Garbee: varl, Ah, perhaps I should find a way to generate an end greeting randomly...
2012-10-17 20:34:15 varl: Garbee: now you're talking.
2012-10-17 20:34:17 Garbee: Ryan_Lane, I know right.
2012-10-17 20:34:21 Damianz: Ryan_Lane: HEY, you do that in OSM already :P
2012-10-17 20:34:27 Ryan_Lane: :)
2012-10-17 20:34:31 Ryan_Lane: true
2012-10-17 20:34:33 varl: just don't put anything rude in your rotation
2012-10-17 20:35:15 Garbee: varl, "Screw off" must be in there.
2012-10-17 20:35:20 Damianz: If you really want to screw with someone rotate betwean \n, \r and \r\n then also switch betwean 2/4/8 tabs, mixed with spaces.
2012-10-17 20:35:52 Garbee: Who wants to find a way to piss Paul off via email formatting?
2012-10-17 20:35:56 Garbee: I'm so in.
2012-10-17 20:36:24 Garbee: shepazu, Also are you authenticated with the IRC system?  I notice you don't have Op.
2012-10-17 20:37:06 shepazu: huh
2012-10-17 20:37:09 shepazu: not sure why
2012-10-17 20:37:30 shepazu: brb
2012-10-17 20:38:01 Garbee: nickserv shows you as being logged in...
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2012-10-17 20:42:42 Garbee:   I think   I a m   going to  have some  fun    with  Damianz  and his wh itesp ace   isssues.
2012-10-17 20:44:12 Damianz: To be fiar you olny need the fisrt and lsat chras in palce to udner santd sneomoe.
2012-10-17 20:44:36 fr0zenice: that only works for well known words
2012-10-17 20:44:42 fr0zenice: whitespace                 is                 fun
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2012-10-17 21:20:28 shepazu: hey, folks, can anyone help me find an example of a page that uses MDN material?
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2012-10-17 21:22:27 Damianz: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Adocs.webplatform.org+Microsoft+Developer+Network
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2012-10-17 21:28:16 Garbee: that seems a little rude Damianz.
2012-10-17 21:30:00 Damianz: well google make their query string full of garbage these days and he/she never specified what form of help they wanted, the 3rd link is a page so that seems helpful. Being rude would have involved implying I have more interesting things to do and no.
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2012-10-17 21:36:35 eighty4: webplatform docs already have 4710 indexed pages, really good work
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2012-10-17 21:43:16 mstalfoort: shepazu, looking for something like this http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/svg_introduction?
2012-10-17 21:44:49 shepazu: mstalfoort: ah, great, thanks!
2012-10-17 21:45:35 mstalfoort: shepazu, np
2012-10-17 21:46:21 shepazu: Damianz: MDN is "Mozilla Developer Network", not Microsoft
2012-10-17 21:47:04 Damianz shrugs at reading MDN as MSDN, stupid acronyms
2012-10-17 21:47:20 shepazu: Damianz: and as Thumper's mom says, if you can't say sumfin' nice, don't say nuffin' at all
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2012-10-17 21:48:37 Damianz: Thumper's mom also said Work it, make it, do it, makes us. Harder, better, faster, stronger.
2012-10-17 21:48:57 shepazu: Damianz: and I'm a big boy, I can take trolling, but I'd appreciate keeping that kind of unhelpful attitude to other channels… this is a friendly channel
2012-10-17 21:49:31 Damianz: If you think that was trolling you should catch me on a Friday :)
2012-10-17 21:49:45 shepazu: Damianz: you're really not helping your case :)
2012-10-17 21:49:57 utkarshc: Hi
2012-10-17 21:50:03 shepazu: hi, utkarshc
2012-10-17 21:50:20 Damianz: I didn't know I had a case tbf.
2012-10-17 21:50:33 utkarshc: Hi Shepazu, I was wondering if any one knows, if jquery.tools validator works with IE9?
2012-10-17 21:51:33 utkarshc: For the life of it, It works with everything else, but IE8, IE9.. I believe IE9 has HTML5 compatibility
2012-10-17 21:51:36 Garbee gets some popcorn.
2012-10-17 21:51:55 Garbee: utkarshc, Have you tried asking in #jquery?
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2012-10-17 21:52:06 shepazu: utkarshc: right now, we're focused on building the site, so this channel isn't (yet) a help channel :)
2012-10-17 21:52:11 utkarshc: no, I'll try doing that.. Thanks
2012-10-17 21:52:16 shepazu: thanks Garbee
2012-10-17 21:52:16 utkarshc: sorry about that :)
2012-10-17 21:52:22 shepazu: no problem!
2012-10-17 21:52:45 Garbee: utkarshc, We are glad to help get you where you can get help.  It is just we are kinda stretched just getting the docs in order atm.
2012-10-17 21:52:54 shepazu: what Garbee said
2012-10-17 21:52:55 shepazu: :)
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2012-10-17 21:53:37 utkarshc: got it! Anything I could help with?
2012-10-17 21:53:47 shepazu: utkarshc: well, since you asked...
2012-10-17 21:53:56 shepazu: !help
2012-10-17 21:53:57 wpdbot: shepazu: Here's a list of all the commands I support: apple, beginner, blog, bugfiling, bugs, contribute, docs, faq, forum, goto, help, ontopic, pr, tutorials, and wpd. You can message me privately to see what each one does.
2012-10-17 21:54:03 shepazu: !contribute
2012-10-17 21:54:03 wpdbot: shepazu: A guide to get started contributing can be found here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started.
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2012-10-17 21:54:46 utkarshc: I see,  thanks.. I'll read that and surely see what I can contribute.. would love to be a part of this
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2012-10-17 21:57:53 shepazu: thanks, utkarshc
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2012-10-17 21:58:07 utkarshc: np!
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2012-10-17 21:58:39 shepazu: Garbee, mdel, eternicode, can I get your opinion?
2012-10-17 21:59:01 shepazu: we are *mostly* CC-BY
2012-10-17 21:59:12 shepazu: some content from MDN is CC-BY-SA
2012-10-17 21:59:21 shepazu: but we are working to transition from that
2012-10-17 21:59:36 shepazu: (over time)
2012-10-17 21:59:57 shepazu: we want to put the CC-BY icon in the footer, to make our license clear
2012-10-17 22:00:31 shepazu: (and so people can know that they can reuse our content)
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2012-10-17 22:00:43 shepazu: BUT!
2012-10-17 22:00:55 shepazu: we don't want to give the wrong impression
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2012-10-17 22:02:04 Garbee: I would say, put it in the footer and then on pages with CC-BY-SA content have a notice that that content is under a different license that is very clear.  Perhaps even remove the footer licnese on those page as well to be even clearer.
2012-10-17 22:02:30 shepazu: so, what do you think about having the CC-BY icon down there, and maybe add something to the template to also add the CC-BY-SA icon when appropriate?
2012-10-17 22:02:44 shepazu: Garbee: you read my mind
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2012-10-17 22:02:47 Garbee: Yup.
2012-10-17 22:03:01 Garbee: That is exactly what I wanted since launch since I couldn't even find the license.
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2012-10-17 22:03:20 Garbee: I eventually did though.
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2012-10-17 22:06:15 Garbee: shepazu, I don't think I read your mind.  I think we both just have common sense.
2012-10-17 22:06:25 shepazu: Garbee: speak for yourself
2012-10-17 22:06:29 shepazu: :P
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2012-10-17 22:07:02 shepazu: hey, is mstalfoort an admin?
2012-10-17 22:07:11 shepazu checks
2012-10-17 22:07:12 Garbee: Let me check...
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2012-10-17 22:08:01 shepazu: Garbee: can you please remind me to ask mstalfoort if they want to be an admin?
2012-10-17 22:08:05 Garbee: Does't look like it.
2012-10-17 22:08:08 Garbee: doesn't*
2012-10-17 22:08:21 Garbee: Yea, I will try.
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2012-10-17 22:09:07 clarkpan: good morning
2012-10-17 22:09:15 shepazu: hey, clarkpan
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2012-10-17 22:09:50 shepazu: clarkpan: where are you located?
2012-10-17 22:09:59 clarkpan: sydney
2012-10-17 22:10:03 shepazu: aha!
2012-10-17 22:10:06 clarkpan: the best city in the world!
2012-10-17 22:10:20 shepazu: … next to Melbourne...
2012-10-17 22:10:43 Garbee: Yea, I hear Sydney isn't too great from the Aussies I know.
2012-10-17 22:10:44 shepazu: jk… you have awesome giant bats!
2012-10-17 22:10:56 clarkpan: melbourne has its charms
2012-10-17 22:11:13 shepazu: I like Sydney, been there many times
2012-10-17 22:11:18 clarkpan: is that game exhibition still on at the ACMI?
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2012-10-17 22:12:32 Garbee: Does anyone know of a way to filter Q&A posts by a specific user?
2012-10-17 22:12:51 Garbee: I'd love to see all of a certain persons posts.  (Don't ask why.)
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2012-10-17 22:13:25 shepazu: seems like a reasonable thing to want to do
2012-10-17 22:13:32 Garbee: Ah, I can actually just search spcifying the Q&A site.  It is its own subdomain.
2012-10-17 22:13:37 shepazu: yes
2012-10-17 22:13:44 Garbee: Win!
2012-10-17 22:14:03 shepazu: (at some point, we want to unify search, to some degree… but not now)
2012-10-17 22:14:25 paul_irish: have other people complained about the low color contrast between text and links?
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2012-10-17 22:14:51 paul_irish: it bugs me pretty regularly. i can file a ticket..
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2012-10-17 22:15:05 shepazu: paul_irish: yes, I've seen that bug
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2012-10-17 22:15:11 paul_irish: k good
2012-10-17 22:15:17 shepazu: paul_irish: suggestions?
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2012-10-17 22:16:20 paul_irish: i find an underline in body links totally worthwhile http://paulirish.com/i/c0d190.png
2012-10-17 22:16:23 paul_irish: kill it on hover
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2012-10-17 22:16:41 paul_irish: looks attractive and makes me want to explore the content more
2012-10-17 22:16:56 Garbee: Yea, we need underlines.
2012-10-17 22:17:04 paul_irish: compare to http://paulirish.com/i/d0d630.png
2012-10-17 22:17:09 shepazu: works for me… any other opinions?
2012-10-17 22:17:10 Garbee: Also some have complained about the text color itself.  I filed a bug on that one.
2012-10-17 22:17:26 paul_irish: i think the underline solves the contrast and we wouldnt need to change color
2012-10-17 22:18:00 shepazu: paul_irish: I think the contrast complaint is with all text, not just links or body text
2012-10-17 22:18:03 Garbee: Some are saying the color itself overall is hard to read.  I changed it to black and it was superbly better for me.
2012-10-17 22:18:20 Garbee: I myself am going to add my own styles on top of the default somehow to automatically have changes like that.
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2012-10-17 22:18:58 Garbee: That way whether it is updated for everyone or not I can read easily.
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2012-10-17 22:27:41 paul_irish: .mw-content-text a { }
2012-10-17 22:27:47 paul_irish: inside the @media screen
2012-10-17 22:27:54 paul_irish: probably. and kill it in a  :hover
2012-10-17 22:28:00 paul_irish: lets do it, shepazu!
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2012-10-17 22:28:35 paul_irish: fun view http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?namespace=0&title=Special%3ARecentChanges
2012-10-17 22:28:45 Garbee: Paul, speaking of waldir too they are making edits in the Wiki here and there.  But that is all I see of him/her.
2012-10-17 22:28:53 paul_irish: good to know!
2012-10-17 22:28:54 paul_irish: k
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2012-10-17 22:29:08 Garbee: I still don't know why they have Beuacrate rights.
2012-10-17 22:29:54 shepazu: Garbee, paul_irish: I darkened the text, and removed the text-decoration:none
2012-10-17 22:30:09 shepazu: it will take a while to be renewed in the cache
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2012-10-17 22:30:18 Garbee: Thank you!
2012-10-17 22:30:23 shepazu: thank you
2012-10-17 22:31:02 Garbee: Also, I visited the Q&A on my phone this morning and got a whole different theme.  Is that supposed to happen?
2012-10-17 22:31:14 paul_irish: shepazu: for what selector
2012-10-17 22:31:31 Garbee: You're going to probably not like this, but it is on Windows Phone 7.
2012-10-17 22:31:41 paul_irish: Garbee: i dont like it
2012-10-17 22:31:51 Garbee: Paul, I know you don't.  But I do like it.
2012-10-17 22:32:02 Garbee: It hasn't crashed on my but once.  My Android phone crashed all the time.
2012-10-17 22:32:15 shepazu: paul_irish: for a
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2012-10-17 22:32:59 paul_irish: eesh. that'll probably too broad. topnav/ breadcrumbs, menus.
2012-10-17 22:32:59 Garbee: I will file a bug report for it then.
2012-10-17 22:33:06 shepazu: thanks Garbee
2012-10-17 22:33:20 paul_irish: i would scope the underline underneath   .mw-content-text
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2012-10-17 22:33:44 shepazu: paul_irish, Garbee, I changed Waldir's user rights… in general, promotion is first to admin and comments admin
2012-10-17 22:33:58 paul_irish: k
2012-10-17 22:34:02 paul_irish: sgtm
2012-10-17 22:34:10 Garbee does not do promotions unless told to.  But good to note.
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2012-10-17 22:35:34 paul_irish: its probably a touch too broad (homepage topanv) but its not terrible.
2012-10-17 22:35:37 paul_irish: can live with it
2012-10-17 22:35:44 paul_irish: body text looks way better
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2012-10-17 22:36:06 Garbee: Could there be a selector overruling the broadness for the topnav to fix it?
2012-10-17 22:36:25 Garbee: Just add one after wherever the current selector is and target the nav, then apply the stylings to make it look good again.
2012-10-17 22:36:48 shepazu: fix what?
2012-10-17 22:36:52 Garbee: Or couldn't we just target #main_content?
2012-10-17 22:37:04 Garbee: sorry - not _
2012-10-17 22:37:28 Garbee: Paul was saying .mw-content-text would be a bit too broad iirc.
2012-10-17 22:37:31 shepazu: oic
2012-10-17 22:38:19 Garbee: Or even target #bodyContent to be even more precise.
2012-10-17 22:38:41 Garbee: oh, I see mw-content-text is below even that.
2012-10-17 22:38:54 shepazu: yeah, I can do that
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2012-10-17 22:39:52 Garbee: Oh, I get the conversation now.  Yea currently it is too broad and target .mw-content-text fixes it.
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2012-10-17 22:41:32 timothy: Hi
2012-10-17 22:41:43 shepazu: hi, timothy
2012-10-17 22:41:53 Garbee: Meet shepazu the local bot
2012-10-17 22:41:58 Garbee: ;)
2012-10-17 22:42:07 timothy: How are you all ?
2012-10-17 22:42:59 Garbee: I'm good overall.  How about yourself.
2012-10-17 22:43:06 Garbee: Which reminds me.  paul_irish how is your throat?
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2012-10-17 22:43:18 timothy: I'm fine Garbee, TY
2012-10-17 22:43:26 Garbee: I hope it is finally getting better.
2012-10-17 22:43:43 Garbee: Is there anything we can help you with timothy?
2012-10-17 22:44:37 timothy: Garbee, no TY i'm just visitor.
2012-10-17 22:44:54 Garbee: That's fine.  Feel free to lurk
2012-10-17 22:45:02 Garbee: There should be a period up there.
2012-10-17 22:45:12 timothy: I Discover webplatform.
2012-10-17 22:45:32 paul_irish: Garbee: improving. not 100%
2012-10-17 22:45:34 timothy: soory : I have just discovered
2012-10-17 22:45:53 Garbee: paul, At least it is getting better finally.
2012-10-17 22:46:03 Garbee: At least you found us.
2012-10-17 22:46:09 shepazu: paul_irish, Garbee, fixed, wait for cache
2012-10-17 22:46:17 paul_irish: sweetness thx doug
2012-10-17 22:46:19 Garbee: Cool thanks.
2012-10-17 22:46:41 timothy: good bye. Good night
2012-10-17 22:46:43 timothy: part
2012-10-17 22:46:46 shepazu: sorry such simple things take a while to fix… there's just a lot to do, and I still have my day job :)
2012-10-17 22:47:10 Garbee: Yea.  Well I would really like to know who thought of that light grey on this background.
2012-10-17 22:47:26 Garbee: A little grey sure, but that light was just difficult.
2012-10-17 22:47:26 shepazu: Garbee: we could lighten it a bit
2012-10-17 22:47:34 Garbee: light = the problem.
2012-10-17 22:47:39 Garbee: It would need to be darkend a bit.
2012-10-17 22:47:41 shepazu: I mean the background
2012-10-17 22:48:13 Garbee: I think the background is fine.  We just need to toy with the text color a bit.
2012-10-17 22:48:17 paul_irish: shepazu: i think cache updated but not sure your fix fixed.. :)
2012-10-17 22:48:30 Garbee: Let me screw around and see if I can find a decent darker grey.
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2012-10-17 22:48:46 paul_irish: shepazu: is this something i can edit so you i don't need to hassle you for such small things? :)
2012-10-17 22:48:48 shepazu: Garbee: I did darken it
2012-10-17 22:49:11 Garbee: I just realized something.  Programmers excuse for not doing work = code is compiling.  Web Developers = Cache needs to update.
2012-10-17 22:49:33 shepazu: paul_irish: we plan to open up the CSS for pull requests… but...
2012-10-17 22:49:38 shepazu: not quite yet
2012-10-17 22:49:40 paul_irish: ok
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2012-10-17 22:49:56 shepazu: brb
2012-10-17 22:50:01 paul_irish: i would love to help with that
2012-10-17 22:50:20 paul_irish: shepazu: but in the meantime the underline is gone..
2012-10-17 22:51:19 paul_irish: :(
2012-10-17 22:52:19 Garbee: I think #3C3C3C  is decent for the text. Perhaps even #4E4E4E.
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2012-10-17 22:52:34 Garbee thanks whomever put the color picker into the Chrome Dev Tools.
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2012-10-17 22:54:50 paul_irish: brian grinstead
2012-10-17 22:54:57 paul_irish: web developer
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2012-10-17 22:55:31 Garbee: ofc Paul would know who.
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2012-10-17 22:59:02 shepazu: paul_irish:
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2012-10-17 22:59:04 shepazu: .mw-content-text a {
2012-10-17 22:59:04 shepazu:     text-decoration: underline;
2012-10-17 22:59:06 shepazu: }
2012-10-17 22:59:07 shepazu: a:hover, .mw-content-text a:hover{
2012-10-17 22:59:08 shepazu:     color: #2dafbc;
2012-10-17 22:59:10 shepazu:     text-decoration: none;
2012-10-17 22:59:10 shepazu: }
2012-10-17 22:59:15 shepazu: suggestions?
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2012-10-17 22:59:30 Garbee: Pastebin please for code over 3 lines.  ;)
2012-10-17 22:59:40 shepazu: Garbee: you're right
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2012-10-17 23:00:02 paul_irish: lol
2012-10-17 23:00:03 paul_irish: looking
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2012-10-17 23:01:45 paul_irish: i blew it
2012-10-17 23:02:15 paul_irish: #mw-content-text
2012-10-17 23:02:31 paul_irish: apologies
2012-10-17 23:02:54 shepazu: doh.
2012-10-17 23:02:57 eternicode: did I hear something about color/contrast? This passed my twitter stream a while ago: http://leaverou.github.com/contrast-ratio/
2012-10-17 23:02:58 shepazu: my fault
2012-10-17 23:03:04 Garbee: . vs #  what a big difference.
2012-10-17 23:03:08 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-17 23:03:19 Garbee: I noticed it, but thought one of you would pick up on it.
2012-10-17 23:03:23 paul_irish: hah really
2012-10-17 23:03:25 Garbee: Yea.
2012-10-17 23:03:33 Garbee: I was playing MW3 at the time, so too busy to actually tell you.
2012-10-17 23:03:45 paul_irish: GEEZ THANKS Garbee :p
2012-10-17 23:03:51 Garbee: *facepalm*
2012-10-17 23:03:58 Garbee: I'm sorry.  Next time I will point it out.
2012-10-17 23:04:00 paul_irish: haha
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2012-10-17 23:04:01 paul_irish: k
2012-10-17 23:04:09 clarkpan: paul_irish: is there a way to prettify the css in the sources tab of the dev tools?
2012-10-17 23:04:19 paul_irish: there is not. it's planned.
2012-10-17 23:04:21 Garbee: I honestly thought one of you would have caught it.
2012-10-17 23:04:29 paul_irish: for now i use the "prettify" package in sublime text.
2012-10-17 23:04:51 clarkpan: yep thanks
2012-10-17 23:05:18 Garbee install prettify.
2012-10-17 23:05:27 paul_irish: :)
2012-10-17 23:05:36 Garbee: btw, themeing Chome Dev Tools = epic.
2012-10-17 23:06:28 Garbee: https://plus.google.com/102860501900098846931/posts/dyjjVmcytDp   --Nice starter themes to tweak and build from.
2012-10-17 23:07:21 clarkpan: wow nice
2012-10-17 23:08:00 clarkpan: Aww no twilight theme
2012-10-17 23:08:12 Garbee: Make it and let people see the codez. ;)
2012-10-17 23:08:35 Garbee: I'm using the top one now with even the UI itself being changed (or trying, mine doesn't seem to target properly.)
2012-10-17 23:09:22 Garbee: Going to tweak that to whatever syntax highlighting I use in ST2 at the time.  Right now it is Tomorrow-Night from the Pheonix theme.
2012-10-17 23:11:20 clarkpan: Yea when i get the time i'll make it look like what i use in ST2 (which is twilight)
2012-10-17 23:11:31 clarkpan: although solarized dark is nice as well
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2012-10-17 23:12:23 Garbee: I liked solarized dark for a time (still do) but these black background themes tend to have me.
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2012-10-17 23:15:12 Garbee: Well, I'm jumping back into Flexbox for a while before doing some more tweaking of this HTML/text page.
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2012-10-17 23:32:09 web: hi
2012-10-17 23:34:52 Infininight: clarkpan: send me a message if you get that working, would like to be able to link people to it
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2012-10-17 23:37:41 clarkpan: hmm has anyone noticed that since a couple of months ago
2012-10-17 23:37:54 clarkpan: if you put vertical align middle for an inline block element
2012-10-17 23:38:12 clarkpan: webkit doesn't actually put it dead center, but slightly higher
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2012-10-17 23:47:15 df___: Hello!
2012-10-17 23:47:18 df___: any here?
2012-10-17 23:47:41 df___: PLZ?
2012-10-17 23:48:15 clarkpan: ah found a solution!
2012-10-17 23:48:18 clarkpan: -webkit-baseline-middle
2012-10-17 23:48:37 df___: i have question
2012-10-17 23:48:41 df___: help please
2012-10-17 23:49:56 df___: Any here?
2012-10-17 23:50:09 Ryan_Lane: just ask your question
2012-10-17 23:50:15 df___: #javascript
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2012-10-17 23:50:25 df___: u not know maybe...
2012-10-17 23:50:34 df___: u professional?
2012-10-17 23:51:25 Ryan_Lane: you haven't asked any question
2012-10-17 23:51:33 Ryan_Lane: no one can answer you if you don't ask
2012-10-17 23:52:42 df___: What u think about Dart http://www.dartlang.org/
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2012-10-17 23:57:58 Garbee: Dart needs more support that what it has now.
2012-10-17 23:58:11 Garbee: Right now it is just interpreted to JS.
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2012-10-17 23:58:56 df___: interpreted?
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2012-10-17 23:59:18 df___: http://www.dartlang.org/dartium/
2012-10-17 23:59:21 Garbee: Yea, in its current state DART is just put into JS for even Chrome to run iirc.  I don't think FF/IE support it at all.
2012-10-17 23:59:36 Garbee: Yea, that is an *experimental* browser.
2012-10-17 23:59:40 Garbee: Not a mainstream one.
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2012-10-18 00:00:00 df___: Dart is slower of JS?
2012-10-18 00:00:15 Garbee: I would think it is yes.
2012-10-18 00:00:23 Garbee: Either way, that is pretty offtopic at the moment.
2012-10-18 00:00:53 df___: Then what is the meaning of it?
2012-10-18 00:01:01 Garbee: Yea, the page you linked to says that.
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2012-10-18 00:01:13 Garbee: " so you don't have to compile your code to JavaScript until you're ready to test on other browsers"
2012-10-18 00:02:00 Garbee: DARTS meaning is just an idea for the moment.  This browser will show how much faster and easier to write for it is than JS it seems.
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2012-10-18 00:03:05 Garbee: Either way, it is kindof offtopic unless you want to discuss documentation planning for it.
2012-10-18 00:05:09 df___: ok thanks
2012-10-18 00:05:17 df___: bye bye
2012-10-18 00:06:02 Garbee: Perhaps you would want to drop into #web and see if anyone there wants to discuss it.
2012-10-18 00:06:15 Garbee: But I doubt they would have too much to say tbh.
2012-10-18 00:06:32 Garbee: Ah #dart
2012-10-18 00:06:36 Garbee: There is the room for ya.
2012-10-18 00:06:57 df___: ok thx
2012-10-18 00:07:06 Garbee: You're Welcome.
2012-10-18 00:08:07 df___: But I think it makes no sense. He will die and like many other languages. Because it is not claimed.
2012-10-18 00:09:27 Garbee: What do you want me to say?  Really, not even a bit of sarcasm.
2012-10-18 00:09:36 Garbee: I don't use it and I don't care.  the #dart people do.
2012-10-18 00:10:24 web: what is the best server side language
2012-10-18 00:10:27 df___: What are its advantages over the JS?
2012-10-18 00:10:38 Garbee: web, Not the place and the answer is whichever you prefer.
2012-10-18 00:10:52 Garbee: df___, That is best asked over in #dart.
2012-10-18 00:11:12 df___: web, PHP
2012-10-18 00:11:19 Garbee: df___, Opionated.
2012-10-18 00:11:34 Garbee: There is no place to ask what is the best server-side language.  It is impossible to answer.
2012-10-18 00:11:42 Garbee: Each as their own befits and weaknesses.
2012-10-18 00:11:49 Garbee: You need to find one you like for whatever reason, and go with it.
2012-10-18 00:12:05 Garbee: But this is not the room for server-side language talk.
2012-10-18 00:12:40 df___: Web use PHP last version just
2012-10-18 00:12:40 Garbee: I'm also not sure of any except the specific community rooms, which you don't need to ask that question in because they will all have the answer which is there language.
2012-10-18 00:13:23 Garbee: their language*
2012-10-18 00:13:54 web: what does this channel usually discuss?
2012-10-18 00:14:03 Garbee: webplatform.org.
2012-10-18 00:14:15 Garbee: Content, config, and other things relating to the site.
2012-10-18 00:14:32 df___: oh about site
2012-10-18 00:14:36 Garbee: #web people might be able to help out.  I'm not sure if they do server-side stuff.
2012-10-18 00:14:40 df___: change please colors in code...
2012-10-18 00:14:46 df___: i bad see...
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2012-10-18 00:14:52 Garbee: They say "anything web" so I'd assume they are open to discuss it.
2012-10-18 00:15:11 Garbee: df___, What colors?  Could you link to a page that is a problem?
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2012-10-18 00:15:55 df___: maybe
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2012-10-18 00:18:14 web: i think there should be more articles in the web section of concepts
2012-10-18 00:18:45 df___: no i not see it page now
2012-10-18 00:19:37 Garbee: df, You may have been thinking of the text color itself not the code example color.  We darkend it earlier this evening. ;)
2012-10-18 00:19:54 df___: there are color in code blended with color of background
2012-10-18 00:20:02 Garbee: web, What kind of articles would you recommend?
2012-10-18 00:21:30 df___: oh okey :)
2012-10-18 00:23:03 df___: Why Oracle and Adobe are not involved in the project?
2012-10-18 00:23:15 Garbee: Adobe is.
2012-10-18 00:23:31 Garbee: Oracle, don't know.  You would need to ask beings greater than I about that one.
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2012-10-18 00:24:06 df___: then where docs about flash?
2012-10-18 00:24:28 Garbee: Flash is not a web standard so we aren't focusing on documenting it at the moment.
2012-10-18 00:24:33 Garbee: In the future, it is a possibility.
2012-10-18 00:24:54 Garbee: Right now the main focus is on web standards and accessibility.
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2012-10-18 00:25:13 Garbee: From there we will expand the scope a bit perhaps.  It is still to be decided.
2012-10-18 00:25:47 df___: ok
2012-10-18 00:25:56 df___: but i not undestand with Oracle?
2012-10-18 00:26:21 df___: Oracle not because Google member?
2012-10-18 00:26:24 df___: no?
2012-10-18 00:26:26 Garbee: I don't know.
2012-10-18 00:26:32 df___: ok
2012-10-18 00:26:40 Garbee: Oracle could have been approached by the projects creators and simply denied to be involved.
2012-10-18 00:26:55 df___: Java too will in future ?
2012-10-18 00:26:58 Garbee: Or they could have not even been asked and they could request to become a steward for the project.
2012-10-18 00:27:12 Garbee: I simply don't know that is known to the projects creators.
2012-10-18 00:27:45 Garbee: Java just like Flash and Silverlight.  Maybe they could be included or it could be decided to not include them in the docs.
2012-10-18 00:27:55 Garbee: It all depends on how things go after getting the standards going.
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2012-10-18 00:29:20 df___: When will the standards? How long to wait? A month?
2012-10-18 00:29:33 Garbee: We don't know.
2012-10-18 00:29:47 df___: :)
2012-10-18 00:29:48 Garbee: It all depends on how long it takes us to get what we have in order.
2012-10-18 00:29:50 df___: ok
2012-10-18 00:29:59 Garbee: It could be a day, or 6 months, or longer.
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2012-10-18 00:31:14 df___: thanks to you for help
2012-10-18 00:31:21 Garbee: You're welcome.
2012-10-18 00:32:08 df___: ok
2012-10-18 00:32:24 df___: bye bye good night
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2012-10-18 00:35:32 web: what can i do about passing validation when using snippets of code like a facebook like button, or should i just ignore the errors from that?
2012-10-18 00:37:26 Garbee: Remove the button.
2012-10-18 00:37:41 web: but i want the button
2012-10-18 00:37:54 Garbee: Then deal with errors that come from it and complain to Facebook about it.
2012-10-18 00:38:22 web: snotty
2012-10-18 00:38:34 Garbee: I use Google's Pagespeed mod and it causes errors everywhere.
2012-10-18 00:38:41 Garbee: Nothing that can really be done.
2012-10-18 00:38:48 Garbee: As long as it doesn't *break* the page it is fine.
2012-10-18 00:39:00 Garbee: That is when you should really get complaining.
2012-10-18 00:39:09 eternicode: people still aim for validation?
2012-10-18 00:39:39 Garbee: eternicode, I do for HTML.  CSS I may get back into since the validator can now treat vendor prefixes as warnings.
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2012-10-18 00:40:05 eternicode: huh
2012-10-18 00:40:10 Garbee: My final code is HTML valid, but the Pagespeed mod invalidates it.  I don't care though because the perf boost is so worth it.
2012-10-18 00:40:36 web: what is a pagespeed mod
2012-10-18 00:40:47 Garbee: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/
2012-10-18 00:40:55 Garbee: An Apache module to do speed boosts on the fly.
2012-10-18 00:41:08 Garbee: It can also be used via a service (CNAME in your DNS iirc.)
2012-10-18 00:41:21 Garbee: Very useful and worth using if you manage your own server.
2012-10-18 00:41:46 Garbee: It can do cool things like automatically deferring javascript from running, so then you don't need to put it at the bottom of your page.
2012-10-18 00:41:48 mdel: tested pagespeed-nginx last night, might run some benchies tonight
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2012-10-18 00:42:42 web: garbee, thanks mate
2012-10-18 00:42:47 Garbee: Your welcome.
2012-10-18 00:42:52 Garbee: You're*
2012-10-18 00:43:04 web: does you site use sql or nosql?
2012-10-18 00:43:09 Garbee: MySQL
2012-10-18 00:43:18 Garbee: The software I run requires it.
2012-10-18 00:43:20 mdel: http://bricss.net/post/33788072565/using-sass-source-maps-in-webkit-inspector
2012-10-18 00:43:21 Garbee: I don't mind though.
2012-10-18 00:43:30 web: whats you opinions on nosql
2012-10-18 00:44:10 Garbee: mdel, AWESOME!  I noticed the setting was added but didn't know how to use it.
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2012-10-18 00:44:25 Garbee: web, I don't know too much about noSQL to talk about it.
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2012-10-18 00:45:32 mike5w3c: about validation, it's better to use the validator the way you use a lint checker, to help catch things you might have missed, and you can ignore the things it reports that you're already aware of
2012-10-18 00:45:44 mdel: +1 to that
2012-10-18 00:45:46 mike5w3c: http://validator.keegan.st/ has an experimental UI that lets you do that
2012-10-18 00:46:04 mdel: unless you want to put one of those fancy "my site validates" badges on your page
2012-10-18 00:46:14 mike5w3c: we may end up porting that to http://validator.w3.org/nu/ and http://validator.nu/
2012-10-18 00:46:21 Garbee: mdel, When did those get fancy?
2012-10-18 00:46:39 mdel: Garbee: good point
2012-10-18 00:46:49 mike5w3c: mdel: yeah we intentionally don't provide those badges for the HTML5 validator
2012-10-18 00:47:01 mdel: oh cool, didnt realize that
2012-10-18 00:47:11 Garbee: I actually saw someone in a room a few days ago saying "They validated to put the badges on their clients pages so the clients could see how *clean* their work was compared to other developers."  I just about died laughing.
2012-10-18 00:47:29 web: maybe webplaform should provide a validator that ignores the code you know wont validate
2012-10-18 00:47:45 Garbee: How would you detect what code the user knows won't validate?
2012-10-18 00:47:52 mdel: web: or just a page explaining the purpose of using a validator :)
2012-10-18 00:48:04 Garbee: The thing is you *need* to show all errors.  The developer reading it needs to parse the output.
2012-10-18 00:48:20 Garbee: If you ignore outputting things then the validator essentially becomes useless.
2012-10-18 00:48:29 web: mdel: yeah that is probably an alot simpler idea
2012-10-18 00:48:44 Garbee: But, the validators do need to accept certain things like the CSS one now does.  It can take vendor prefixes and make them warnings compared to all out errors.
2012-10-18 00:48:58 mike5w3c: one feature of http://validator.keegan.st/ is that the filters are persistent
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2012-10-18 00:49:58 arkhi: Good morning!
2012-10-18 00:49:59 mike5w3c: so if you tell it once to ignore errors about the facebook like button, it won't report them again at all next time you validate
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2012-10-18 00:50:53 Garbee: That is cool.
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2012-10-18 00:51:36 web: i agree
2012-10-18 00:51:51 web: I am off guys, speak soon.
2012-10-18 00:51:52 Garbee: Huh, Maybe the move to Pagespeed 1.0 cleaned up the errors it made.
2012-10-18 00:51:59 Garbee: I'm not seeing any now on my page.
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2012-10-18 00:52:06 Garbee: See ya web.
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2012-10-18 02:42:16 techcruiser: hello all
2012-10-18 02:43:07 arkhi: Hello techcruiser
2012-10-18 02:43:39 techcruiser: so my experience is in video editing. can i still help?
2012-10-18 02:44:49 arkhi: Yes techcruiser, you can always help. :)
2012-10-18 02:44:49 arkhi: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Most_Wanted_Tasks
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2012-10-18 02:51:53 techcruiser: this looks like a lot of programming, i only have a small programming experience
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2012-10-18 03:01:30 paul_irish: techcruiser: you could bring over some compatibility table information
2012-10-18 03:01:36 paul_irish: from MDN and quirksmode
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2012-10-18 03:38:18 arkhi: techcruiser: For example on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/section#Compatibility
2012-10-18 03:38:28 arkhi: There is a compatibility list.
2012-10-18 03:38:44 arkhi: -list+table
2012-10-18 03:38:55 arkhi: The information in this table is coming from different sources.
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2012-10-18 03:43:10 arkhi: This can be http://caniuse.com/#search=section
2012-10-18 03:43:10 arkhi: Mozilla Developer Network (MDN): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/section#Compatibility
2012-10-18 03:43:10 arkhi: or Microsoft  Developer Network (MSDN): http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg593059%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
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2012-10-18 03:43:52 arkhi: The idea is to check that the data in WPD matches those sources of information.
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2012-10-18 05:20:23 paul_irish:  conversation about webplatform.org • faq: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: http://goo.gl/bTTpT  • recent activity: http://goo.gl/oqZu4
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2012-10-18 06:54:30 ctoveloz[BR]: which service CDN free do you recommend ?
2012-10-18 06:54:40 _WiZZarD: morning
2012-10-18 06:55:06 ctoveloz[BR]: hi
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2012-10-18 07:00:24 ravenzz: morning
2012-10-18 07:00:43 arkhi: Good morning ravenzz
2012-10-18 07:02:21 ravenzz: hey dude
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2012-10-18 07:05:38 arkhi: I’m thinking Beatallica when you write this.
2012-10-18 07:06:46 ravenzz: hahah never heard about that band
2012-10-18 07:06:58 arkhi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA_CgX2ihVg :)
2012-10-18 07:06:59 ravenzz: how cool is it
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2014-01-30 17:13:27 renoirb: Testing
2014-01-30 17:14:49 renoirb: frozenice: are you there?
2014-01-30 17:14:54 frozenice: hi!
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2014-01-30 17:28:01 renoirb: I thought it would be applying maps to convert
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2014-01-30 17:28:59 renoirb: I can see many maps (e.g. one for MDN)... and one for the data coming from the tests (i.e. data from the data model we are building)
2014-01-30 17:29:38 renoirb: that module would be used to convert from a given model to what we can use as compat tables themselves.
2014-01-30 17:29:47 frozenice: hmm, I think it would be good to finish something 'small' first, like the mdn-compat-importer
2014-01-30 17:30:02 frozenice: we can reuse the code which maps the object later on
2014-01-30 17:31:56 frozenice: it should also provide an easy way to take a closer look at our spec
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2014-01-30 17:32:55 frozenice: because only the conversion code is missing from mdn-compat-importer (and the actual import code, but we can do that later)
2014-01-30 17:34:47 renoirb: makes sense
2014-01-30 17:35:45 renoirb: I should just do something and make it look like current at http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/data.json
2014-01-30 17:35:50 renoirb: frozenice: ^
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2014-01-30 17:37:09 renoirb: I will try to replicate that format regardless of if its what we want.
2014-01-30 17:37:18 frozenice: hm, is that some old thing or already conforming to the spec?
2014-01-30 17:37:53 renoirb: I do not know, but that's what is used by MW compat table extension that doug wrote
2014-01-30 17:38:22 frozenice: are we actualy using that extension already? :)
2014-01-30 17:38:47 renoirb: i think yeah
2014-01-30 17:39:19 renoirb: I will have to go soon
2014-01-30 17:39:29 frozenice: hm, maybe we ask shepazu what he thinks, I don't want to put effort into some old format which will go aways soon
2014-01-30 17:39:34 frozenice: -s
2014-01-30 17:39:46 renoirb: I need to actually dive in the coding. I think i was going too much around making my own barriers.
2014-01-30 17:39:58 renoirb: i have an end result, i have the importer.
2014-01-30 17:40:39 frozenice: I'd say write the converter for mdn-compat-importer and go from there
2014-01-30 17:40:42 renoirb: and i just finished the full run of your code... i'll work to have it to that format.
2014-01-30 17:41:11 renoirb: look.
2014-01-30 17:41:57 renoirb: hum, so it would mean that we have to actually design the 'ready to create a compat HTML table' version
2014-01-30 17:42:19 renoirb: and the model from the spec is not really about that. it is about storing test results.
2014-01-30 17:42:30 renoirb: we therefore have two data models. One is the result of the other.
2014-01-30 17:43:22 frozenice: it's not only about test results
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2014-01-30 17:45:14 frozenice: in fact, there aren't any test models defined?!
2014-01-30 17:45:35 frozenice: just user-agent and features, from what I see
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2014-01-30 17:46:59 frozenice: ah ok, it's the older version
2014-01-30 17:47:22 frozenice: or the other version
2014-01-30 17:47:41 frozenice: we should really merge those 2 spec things.
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2014-01-30 17:48:48 renoirb: indeed
2014-01-30 17:48:59 frozenice: very confusing
2014-01-30 17:49:07 ehynds: part
2014-01-30 17:49:15 renoirb: So to start "doing it" we still have to know in which format.
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2014-01-30 17:49:47 renoirb: I think you see what I meant. Not that your argument wasn't invalid... I had the question you are currently asking
2014-01-30 17:50:03 renoirb: I like very much Tobie's counter proposal.
2014-01-30 17:50:30 frozenice: link?
2014-01-30 17:50:42 renoirb: frozenice: that one http://webplatform.github.io/browser-compat-model/
2014-01-30 17:50:58 frozenice: ah ok
2014-01-30 17:51:13 frozenice: yes it's a bit clearer
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2014-01-30 17:52:29 frozenice: I guess Doug needs to chime in on this :)
2014-01-30 17:52:36 renoirb: It is lean and each component is there. The document is not about describing an API... In comparison to Ronald's proposal... The API isn't in the spec, although there will be one. But we can have an enveloppe object that will take care of the canonical and reference links... even HTTP headers. But that' was going too far already
2014-01-30 17:53:30 renoirb: In http://webplatform.github.io/browser-compat-model/, we only miss a test case that holds reference to the spec#reference-anchor AND the link to the test code itself
2014-01-30 17:54:16 frozenice: but we could work with that, as the MDN data doesn't contain tests, only features
2014-01-30 17:54:25 ravenzz: cool
2014-01-30 17:54:27 renoirb: yup.
2014-01-30 17:54:39 frozenice: hey ravenzz :)
2014-01-30 17:54:52 ravenzz: hey fi! sup
2014-01-30 17:54:57 renoirb: but you get now what I mean by; we have two data model. One of them is generated from the other.
2014-01-30 17:55:10 frozenice: yeah we need one.
2014-01-30 17:55:17 renoirb: I got to go now; dentist
2014-01-30 17:55:26 frozenice: have fun!
2014-01-30 17:55:33 renoirb: *Swizzzzzzzzzz *
2014-01-30 17:56:15 renoirb: lets talk later about it.  My proposal remains: reproduce the model we have already.
2014-01-30 17:56:32 frozenice: yep
2014-01-30 17:56:49 renoirb: As soon as possible, lets meet with Pat and anybody else who wants to create those two data models plus the API design and lets design things together.
2014-01-30 17:57:11 frozenice: sounds good, maybe it's a topic for the telcon tomorrow
2014-01-30 17:57:19 frozenice: if there is one
2014-01-30 17:57:39 renoirb: yup. But I think we need that task force that you talked about
2014-01-30 17:57:45 frozenice: aye
2014-01-30 17:57:49 renoirb is dressing up. its winter after all.
2014-01-30 17:57:52 renoirb: ttyl
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2014-01-30 17:58:47 ravenzz: you should talk to the guy who made caniuse.com too imho
2014-01-30 17:59:04 frozenice: he is also on board :)
2014-01-30 17:59:23 ravenzz: cool
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2014-01-31 03:36:19 renoirb changed topic to: Database replication is broken, currently fixing http://status.webplatform.org/post/75114962384
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2014-01-31 04:52:37 renoirb: Issue should be fixed http://status.webplatform.org/post/75114962384
2014-01-31 04:53:49 renoirb changed topic to: Conversations about the Web Platform | To participate http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide  | System status http://status.webplatform.org
2014-01-31 04:54:28 renoirb: Conversations about the Web Platform | To participate http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
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2014-01-31 05:11:04 julee: Yah, renoirb!
2014-01-31 05:15:05 renoirb: HahA!
2014-01-31 05:15:25 renoirb: julee: when I wanted to do the todo from Max... I had that strange message.
2014-01-31 05:15:35 renoirb: Fixed.
2014-01-31 05:15:52 renoirb is going to sleep 
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2014-01-31 05:25:19 julee: ah… Pleasant dreams, renoirb! Thanks!
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2014-01-31 14:53:53 renoirb: Hey frozenice
2014-01-31 14:54:07 renoirb: alive?
2014-01-31 14:55:05 Garbee: renoirb: I hope not. I thought I took him out last night...
2014-01-31 14:55:10 Garbee: ;)
2014-01-31 14:56:17 ptressel: renoirb, my irc client shows frozenice as idle
2014-01-31 14:56:43 renoirb: oh, yeah, I should look at this status information.
2014-01-31 14:56:53 Garbee: yea he is.
2014-01-31 14:56:57 Garbee: on IRCCloud now.
2014-01-31 14:57:04 Garbee: probably forgot to open it back up. :P
2014-01-31 14:57:24 renoirb: I never trust it. When I'm marked as Idle, my IRC bouncer would mail me anything that mentions my name.
2014-01-31 14:57:39 Garbee: Yea, they will.
2014-01-31 14:57:44 Garbee: Also this is an auto-away.
2014-01-31 14:57:54 renoirb: But, hey, Hi ptressel !!
2014-01-31 14:57:55 Garbee: So it really just means his client hasn't seen him for a few minutes.
2014-01-31 14:58:02 ptressel: o/
2014-01-31 14:58:40 renoirb: I have a draft prepared to answer your question on the email you sent.
2014-01-31 14:58:45 renoirb: But since you are here :)
2014-01-31 14:59:02 ptressel: :D
2014-01-31 14:59:30 renoirb: General meetings are happening every friday. It is to talk about what is coming and the status of things.
2014-01-31 14:59:42 ptressel: Aha, so future too.
2014-01-31 14:59:56 renoirb: I thought of discussing at least with you and frozenice about it before that meeting, so i could report it later then.
2014-01-31 15:00:14 renoirb: later to them. I mean.
2014-01-31 15:00:18 frozenice: yes, I'm still at work :)
2014-01-31 15:00:49 frozenice: might be home in one hour or so
2014-01-31 15:00:52 renoirb: ok frozenice, let's figure out a viable time where we three can have a talk.
2014-01-31 15:01:10 ptressel: What timezones are you-all in?
2014-01-31 15:01:37 ptressel: (My sleep/wake cycle is fungible.)
2014-01-31 15:02:59 renoirb changed topic to: Conversations about WebPlatform Docs | Contribute with us!  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
2014-01-31 15:03:20 renoirb: i'm EST, based in frozen Montreal
2014-01-31 15:03:31 ptressel: Brrrr....
2014-01-31 15:03:59 ptressel: I'm in not-so-frozen Seattle / PST
2014-01-31 15:04:21 renoirb: My own time is also squishy. At least for meetings.
2014-01-31 15:05:24 Garbee: EST (Virginia)
2014-01-31 15:05:32 renoirb: So we are at ptressel 7:05 am    renoirb 10:05 am     frozenice 14:05 then?
2014-01-31 15:05:35 Garbee: but, my sleep schedule is out of wack.
2014-01-31 15:05:46 frozenice: Germany, 16:05 here
2014-01-31 15:05:57 ptressel: Aha!
2014-01-31 15:05:59 renoirb: oh, gosh typo
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2014-01-31 15:06:37 renoirb: <quote voice="Nelson">Ha ah!</quote>
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2014-01-31 15:07:13 ptressel: EST is winning...
2014-01-31 15:08:01 frozenice: afk again, till I'm home
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2014-01-31 15:08:17 ptressel: Ok!  I'll still be online then.
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2014-01-31 15:11:28 renoirb: ok frozenice
2014-01-31 15:11:32 ptressel: Seems like the main question from the browser qualification test side is whether we need an aggregation tool (e.g. a modified version of mdn-compat-importer) to scrape the info from test results and insert it wherever it needs to go...
2014-01-31 15:12:06 ptressel: ...or whether the test platform is going to have a REST interface, and (maybe) format the info for display itself (e.g. in an iframe).
2014-01-31 15:12:14 renoirb: Yeah ptressel. I think that around 12:00 would be ideal for three of us.  Not too early for you to get off of bed, and him after work.
2014-01-31 15:12:38 renoirb: Are you aware of the project Test the web forward ptressel ?
2014-01-31 15:12:42 ptressel: :D
2014-01-31 15:13:00 ptressel: I already have one pull request, but have to revise it heavily.
2014-01-31 15:13:20 ptressel: We just has a TTWF hackathon.
2014-01-31 15:13:26 ptressel: s/has/had
2014-01-31 15:13:36 renoirb: oh! sweet!
2014-01-31 15:13:53 renoirb: So you know that the compat tables data will eventually be using this data then :)
2014-01-31 15:13:55 ptressel: I landed in the JS group, where we were looking at ES6 changes that need tests, and missing ES5 tests.
2014-01-31 15:13:58 ptressel: Yep.
2014-01-31 15:14:10 ptressel: That's really what I was asking about
2014-01-31 15:14:18 renoirb: So, right on.
2014-01-31 15:14:37 renoirb: In the mean time we need to import data from existing source.
2014-01-31 15:14:50 renoirb: In a way that we can expose and use for our own tables.
2014-01-31 15:14:54 ptressel: Ok, that answers the question I was just typing.  :D
2014-01-31 15:15:11 renoirb: There are multiple concrete coments... that I see:
2014-01-31 15:16:09 renoirb: - Scraper from various sources [caniuse, mdn, ...]
2014-01-31 15:18:11 renoirb: - Data models (I see at least 2..3 data sets)
2014-01-31 15:19:08 renoirb: - Data storage (e.g. Couch DB.... could become the API since it's all JSON based and already HTTP friendly. The choice is yet to make)
2014-01-31 15:19:47 renoirb: - API proxy (i.e. frontend layer to expose where we map and abstract data storage)
2014-01-31 15:20:27 renoirb thinks of an actual implementation of an Hypermedia API
2014-01-31 15:20:56 ptressel: How would it get integrated in the webplatform pages?
2014-01-31 15:21:24 renoirb: - Test runners (i.e. system that automates browser visits on tests pages, and publish data to the data storage)
2014-01-31 15:21:42 ptressel: (Whoops, sorry, carry on.)
2014-01-31 15:22:55 renoirb: - Cruncher to compile the tests results into a Data model
2014-01-31 15:23:13 renoirb: sorry, i got that one wrong
2014-01-31 15:24:02 renoirb: - Cruncher to convert test results into a Data model usable for compatibility tables
2014-01-31 15:24:46 renoirb: ... The API will have a component where we will be able to ask things and the format we want
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2014-01-31 15:25:32 renoirb: e.g.   GET /api?rel=compat&f=flexbox&hl=fr_CA
2014-01-31 15:26:26 renoirb: With header:   Accept:text/html   ... to return an HTML table
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2014-01-31 15:26:45 renoirb: With header:   Accept:application/json  ... to return a JSON object
2014-01-31 15:27:26 ptressel: Or have the format in the query string.
2014-01-31 15:27:49 renoirb: ptressel: I think it is better not.
2014-01-31 15:28:08 ptressel: Makes it simpler for apps to access..no?
2014-01-31 15:28:09 renoirb: HTTP has already a way to express it
2014-01-31 15:28:15 ptressel: If everything is on the URL?
2014-01-31 15:28:29 renoirb: If you go with your web browser to that URL, it WILL be HTML.
2014-01-31 15:28:42 renoirb: Web Browser actually sends Accept: text/html by default.
2014-01-31 15:28:44 ptressel: Hmm.  ;-)
2014-01-31 15:28:49 ptressel: Actually, not...
2014-01-31 15:29:10 ptressel: I work on a web service that delivers info in many formats
2014-01-31 15:29:17 ptressel: Specified on the url
2014-01-31 15:29:23 renoirb: there are many ways to make web services :)
2014-01-31 15:29:35 renoirb: That's why I'm talking about Hypermedia API
2014-01-31 15:29:39 ptressel: xml, pdf, json, kml, wkt,...
2014-01-31 15:29:43 renoirb: I built SPOAP web services.
2014-01-31 15:30:14 renoirb: look at this video (coming)
2014-01-31 15:30:38 ptressel: What I'm saying is, it does work without a mime type
2014-01-31 15:30:58 ptressel: And it allows a human to type the url in their browser location box
2014-01-31 15:31:23 ravenzz: quit
2014-01-31 15:31:26 ptressel: So if I really want xml instead of html, I can get it without having to fire up curl or restclient.
2014-01-31 15:31:28 renoirb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEWTPFzt2-E&list=PLr4f8f5Q9NTmHQSN-SWv284OTbsncuRIc&index=8
2014-01-31 15:31:45 renoirb: That's the Hypermedia variant of REST that I am suggesting.
2014-01-31 15:32:19 renoirb: sure ptressel :)
2014-01-31 15:32:34 ptressel: We're probably getting ahead of ourselves ;-)
2014-01-31 15:32:40 renoirb: I just want to point out which variant I think is best :)
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2014-01-31 15:32:47 renoirb: also :D
2014-01-31 15:32:55 ptressel: Aha!  Lobbying in advance...
2014-01-31 15:33:17 renoirb: also :)
2014-01-31 15:36:02 ptressel: A question from part-way through:
2014-01-31 15:36:05 ptressel: I was talking to Doug at the TTWF event, and noted that most web frameworks / content mgmt systems store structured data in a database, and auto-generate pages from that.  He said that the rest of the pages might be handled more as flat, directly-editable (wiki-like) text, not as fields an a database, updated via forms.
2014-01-31 15:36:58 ptressel: I made the case for having the test results in a database, and auto-generating the tables in the web pages from that.  Could be cached, and generated infrequently, e.g. only when changed.
2014-01-31 15:37:23 ptressel: Hence the question about inserting the table in the (otherwise wikified) page.
2014-01-31 15:37:49 renoirb: uhm.
2014-01-31 15:39:04 renoirb: I think what I described (that is my own interpretation of what we might have to build)  can support what you are saying.
2014-01-31 15:39:16 ptressel: One option is to directly edit the (wiki) pages.
2014-01-31 15:39:37 ptressel: That makes me really nervous.
2014-01-31 15:39:57 renoirb: But I think the issue is that we do not want to change wiki page version because of compatibility support changes. Would it not pollute page changes with revisions made by a bot
2014-01-31 15:40:04 renoirb: and easily mistakenly removed.
2014-01-31 15:40:30 ptressel: Unless...the pages are split into separate editing regions, so humans can edit the rest without having their changes accidentally wiped.
2014-01-31 15:41:08 ptressel: I would personally rather have the table generated separately, and not inserted in the wiki page.
2014-01-31 15:42:01 ptressel: I suppose, though, that the pages might settle down to where there was less possibility of an editing conflict.
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2014-01-31 15:43:46 ptressel: The caching alternative would be something like, run a periodic job to extract the test results into html, and link those from the wiki pages, so they appear embedded in the page.
2014-01-31 15:45:13 renoirb: I see compatibility data is yet an other set of data, like the content of the page you are viewing.  So if you go to a page, the CMS will render page based on the content you are asking... the compat data will be queried and return the html chunk. No need to add it into the CMS
2014-01-31 15:45:58 ptressel: Ok, I think we just said the same thing. :D
2014-01-31 15:46:05 renoirb: ok.
2014-01-31 15:46:10 renoirb: hey, can you Skype ?
2014-01-31 15:46:15 renoirb: could be faster :D
2014-01-31 15:46:18 ptressel: I'm just suggesting caching rather than constructing on the fly.
2014-01-31 15:46:28 renoirb: indeed!
2014-01-31 15:46:41 ptressel: Yep, but do we have enough for now? Cause the meeting is going to start rsn.
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2014-01-31 15:47:06 renoirb: meeting is at 12:00
2014-01-31 15:47:08 renoirb: EST
2014-01-31 15:47:16 ptressel: Wait, what?
2014-01-31 15:47:17 morficus: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
2014-01-31 15:47:19 renoirb: yes, we have enough
2014-01-31 15:47:36 ptressel: I thought it was at 1600 UTC
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2014-01-31 15:48:15 ptressel: Am I off by one? or thinking of daylight time?
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2014-01-31 15:49:55 ptressel: Anyhow, I'm supposed to be frantically working on something that's due Sunday, and which I should have started 2 weeks ago (control theory / robotics course).
2014-01-31 15:50:36 renoirb: i think its the daylight thing then :)
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2014-01-31 15:52:21 ptressel: Don't think so...so maybe the page w/ the meeting time is out of date?
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2014-01-31 15:52:57 ptressel: Heh, there are two different times: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/General
2014-01-31 15:53:11 renoirb: i can be wrong. I'm generally in those meetings that's why I say it is in 1h 7mn
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2014-01-31 15:53:57 ptressel: It says 1600 UTC under "web platform general status meeting" (which is what I thought this was for).
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2014-01-31 15:54:26 ptressel: And just below that it says 1700 UTC for "telcon info"
2014-01-31 15:55:13 ptressel: One or the other is wrong, as both of those have the same numbers for "ET" and "PT".
2014-01-31 15:55:33 ptressel: (Which I didn't look at -- stopped at the UTC time)
2014-01-31 15:55:56 ptressel: Ok, so the first time listed, 1600 UTC, is wrong.
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2014-01-31 15:56:17 ptressel: Could edit that...
2014-01-31 15:56:32 renoirb: ill stay around and be there whenever other people are there :)
2014-01-31 15:57:46 ptressel: Permission to edit that 1600 -> 1700?
2014-01-31 15:58:29 eliezerb: hey renoirb
2014-01-31 15:58:47 renoirb: no worries ptressel :)
2014-01-31 15:58:54 renoirb: you can do
2014-01-31 15:58:56 renoirb: hi eliezerb
2014-01-31 15:58:58 ptressel: kk
2014-01-31 15:59:12 renoirb: have you met ptressel, eliezerb ?
2014-01-31 15:59:29 eliezerb: ptressel, hey! You're right... The meeting is 17 UTC
2014-01-31 15:59:34 eliezerb: Not yet renoirb
2014-01-31 15:59:44 eliezerb: Hey ptressel! Nice to meet you!
2014-01-31 15:59:46 ptressel: Hi, eliezerb !
2014-01-31 15:59:52 ptressel: Likewise!
2014-01-31 16:00:34 eliezerb: I'm feeling that you lost some sleep hours ptressel
2014-01-31 16:01:26 renoirb: I think you are still in an heavy delivery date ptressel ?
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2014-01-31 16:01:49 ptressel: Right, still awake from last night.  :P
2014-01-31 16:03:07 renoirb: that's annoying :/
2014-01-31 16:03:13 renoirb: hope you are going to get to sleep soon
2014-01-31 16:03:46 eliezerb: ptressel, Are you the one who will work on compat tables?
2014-01-31 16:03:47 ptressel: (It's homework & exam for a class, rather than a work task, but it's material I really really need. I work on an autonomous mobile robot project, and we have no PID controller. I made horrified noises, so now I get to do it.)
2014-01-31 16:03:59 ptressel: I'm hoping to help...
2014-01-31 16:04:41 eliezerb: cool!
2014-01-31 16:06:56 renoirb: University work ptressel ?
2014-01-31 16:07:26 ptressel: No, just Coursera (Control of Mobile Robots, from Georgia Tech)
2014-01-31 16:08:02 ptressel: Got out of school some while back. :D
2014-01-31 16:09:50 LochHess: fancy
2014-01-31 16:10:09 renoirb: Oh, nice!
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2014-01-31 16:13:09 renoirb: wb eliezerb laumars
2014-01-31 16:13:13 renoirb: oops, LochHess
2014-01-31 16:13:31 eliezerb: It's going to rain here today renoirb
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2014-01-31 16:13:41 LochHess: thanks, lol
2014-01-31 16:13:45 LochHess: lucky
2014-01-31 16:13:47 LochHess: I love rain.
2014-01-31 16:13:55 eliezerb: My Internet goes away with the sun
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2014-01-31 16:14:33 ptressel: Vampire Internet, huh...
2014-01-31 16:14:57 eliezerb: ptressel, More like Headless Knight
2014-01-31 16:15:05 ptressel: Bwa ha ha
2014-01-31 16:15:06 LochHess: No, his internet is Helios' chariot.
2014-01-31 16:15:18 ptressel: Ah! Much more positive.
2014-01-31 16:15:35 LochHess: Jealous. :P
2014-01-31 16:15:55 ptressel: Of rain?
2014-01-31 16:16:04 renoirb: you lose internet with the sun eliezerb ?
2014-01-31 16:16:08 renoirb: how come?
2014-01-31 16:16:25 eliezerb: renoirb, Yeah! I'm using my Wifi connection use Radio Waves
2014-01-31 16:16:31 renoirb: I can see with rain... and trees falling on the dish (if that happens)
2014-01-31 16:16:36 eliezerb: renoirb, So the tower power comes from a Solar Panel
2014-01-31 16:16:37 ptressel: Maybe the neighbors wake up and interfere...?
2014-01-31 16:16:38 renoirb: hopefully not!
2014-01-31 16:16:53 renoirb: ah!!!
2014-01-31 16:17:07 renoirb: True, you live quite far eliezerb
2014-01-31 16:17:07 ptressel: Cable is a "party line" -- even DSL is to some extent.
2014-01-31 16:17:13 eliezerb: yup :)
2014-01-31 16:17:19 eliezerb: You already was in Brazil
2014-01-31 16:17:27 eliezerb: You know what kind of live I take lol
2014-01-31 16:17:43 renoirb: I watched "City of God" again this week
2014-01-31 16:17:56 renoirb: For the 2nd time
2014-01-31 16:18:08 LochHess: time to go play in my Matlab class...
2014-01-31 16:18:09 LochHess: :P
2014-01-31 16:18:15 eliezerb: Do you like brazilian movies?
2014-01-31 16:18:17 renoirb: Enjoy LochHess
2014-01-31 16:18:38 renoirb: I hate soap operas from Globo eliezerb
2014-01-31 16:18:44 ptressel: Ah, Matlab!
2014-01-31 16:18:52 eliezerb: Matlab is sweet
2014-01-31 16:19:01 eliezerb: renoirb, You need check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Auto_da_Compadecida
2014-01-31 16:19:02 ptressel: Lucky LochHess -- I had to take R classes. :P
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2014-01-31 16:50:57 renoirb: julee: I cannot flag pages there. I do not see option to flag them.
2014-01-31 16:51:07 renoirb: Some has placeholder test content though.
2014-01-31 16:53:19 eliezerb: renoirb, Which page?
2014-01-31 16:53:54 renoirb: eliezerb: www.w3.org/mid/AC3BBB00-A4B8-4FEE-BE72-F6345A7A1F16@w3.org
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2014-01-31 16:54:27 eliezerb: Why can not you flag them?
2014-01-31 16:54:38 renoirb: because i see no "flag" button :)
2014-01-31 16:54:47 eliezerb: Click at Edit Button
2014-01-31 16:55:01 renoirb: not all of them HAS flag
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2014-01-31 16:55:15 eliezerb: Ohh
2014-01-31 16:55:17 renoirb: see http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=javascript&action=edit
2014-01-31 16:55:18 eliezerb: Got one here
2014-01-31 16:55:28 eliezerb: One sec
2014-01-31 16:55:42 eliezerb: Sorry
2014-01-31 16:57:11 eliezerb: renoirb, Add this to content {{Flags | High-level issues=Merge candidate}}
2014-01-31 16:57:26 eliezerb: s/to/to the
2014-01-31 16:57:37 renoirb: Should I leave redirect when moving things for the import?
2014-01-31 16:58:21 eliezerb: I don't think so, because we are going to have new pages in there
2014-01-31 16:58:31 eliezerb: But a second opinion is good
2014-01-31 16:58:44 renoirb: When I am asked to move /wiki/javascript an option "move subpages" exist
2014-01-31 16:58:57 renoirb: we could just do that.
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2014-01-31 16:59:22 renoirb: ok. ill wait. i'm doing things because nobody said they would.
2014-01-31 16:59:33 eliezerb: cool
2014-01-31 16:59:35 renoirb: but i'm not an expert in MW and I do not want to break anything
2014-01-31 16:59:42 ptressel: \o/
2014-01-31 17:00:30 renoirb:   /o/
2014-01-31 17:00:38 mstalfoort: Quit: kthxbai
2014-01-31 17:02:42 julee: can anyone scribe?
2014-01-31 17:05:12 renoirb: scribenick: renoirb
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2014-01-31 17:05:42 renoirb: AGENDA: The JS Import
2014-01-31 17:06:04 renoirb: Max: A few pages are in the way
2014-01-31 17:06:16 renoirb: ... should move them out of the location. mass move them
2014-01-31 17:06:29 renoirb: ... some seems to be good enough: libraries and tutorials
2014-01-31 17:06:39 renoirb: ... but others could be selected manually
2014-01-31 17:06:58 renoirb: Julee: I can do that no problem
2014-01-31 17:07:34 renoirb: ... move to Meta namespace so we can use for merge work later down the road
2014-01-31 17:08:16 renoirb: Max: I do not want to pressure you Julee... but if you do it in within next 6 hours. I can do that today
2014-01-31 17:08:26 renoirb: Julee: yes i can totally do that
2014-01-31 17:09:42 renoirb: ... I will move the current 'javascript' with all the children (MW gives the option)... and create a new javascript blank page
2014-01-31 17:10:06 eliezerb: \o/
2014-01-31 17:10:25 renoirb: Max: The import do not create a 'javascript' landing page
2014-01-31 17:10:34 renoirb: Julee: I'll create that top level page no problem
2014-01-31 17:10:58 renoirb: ACTION: Max to do the final import tonight
2014-01-31 17:11:11 renoirb: ack next
2014-01-31 17:11:12 renoirb: AGENDA: Blog posts from Max & Eliezer
2014-01-31 17:11:28 renoirb: Julee:  I saw the google docs you started
2014-01-31 17:12:23 renoirb: Eliot: We'd like to cover the structure and more whats going on than the technical aspects
2014-01-31 17:13:06 renoirb: Max: i can write the blog post
2014-01-31 17:13:13 renoirb: ACTION: Max to write blog post draft
2014-01-31 17:13:19 renoirb: ack next
2014-01-31 17:13:48 renoirb: Eliot: Please make sure the tone is friendly/funny
2014-01-31 17:14:00 renoirb: ... we want to cheer up blog post tone
2014-01-31 17:14:03 renoirb: AGENDA: Preparing for Web Platform Wednesdays restart with JS content
2014-01-31 17:15:18 renoirb: Julee: We are going to focus on EcmaScript v @@
2014-01-31 17:16:35 renoirb: ... we are going to work from a spreadsheet instead of MW table
2014-01-31 17:17:11 eliezerb: We could create a Open Badge
2014-01-31 17:17:13 renoirb: ... to use this to know where to work on and I'll make reports based on that
2014-01-31 17:17:36 renoirb: Julee: We had the firestarter and we should have a new badge
2014-01-31 17:17:58 renoirb: ACTION: To ask Doug if he wants to create a new badge
2014-01-31 17:18:20 renoirb: Eliot: We should make sure people to approve it
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2014-01-31 17:18:38 renoirb: Julee: Anyone can create a badge. We send it to the list and in a General meeting, group can approve it.
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2014-01-31 17:19:54 renoirb: Julee: 1 Badge to create that badge for the JS project
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2014-01-31 17:20:21 renoirb: ... If somebody wants to create a badge
2014-01-31 17:20:57 renoirb: ... he just have to propose on the mailing list, and the group will approve it
2014-01-31 17:21:37 renoirb: AGENDA:  Golden standard
2014-01-31 17:22:12 julee: previous agenda items were:
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2014-01-31 17:22:19 julee: * JS Import
2014-01-31 17:22:19 julee: ** Final import
2014-01-31 17:22:19 julee: ** Blog posts from Max & Eliezer
2014-01-31 17:22:19 julee: * Preparing for Web Platform Wednesdays restart with JS content
2014-01-31 17:22:19 julee: ** Spreadsheet & landing page are done
2014-01-31 17:22:20 julee: ** We need another badge, no?
2014-01-31 17:22:29 julee: Now: Golden standard
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2014-01-31 17:23:28 renoirb: Julee: Is there somebody who wants to make a golden standard
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2014-01-31 17:25:36 renoirb: Eliot: Every page should review and be compared to a list that fits against the standard spec
2014-01-31 17:25:55 renoirb: Julee: I will have a spreadsheet all specs and their documents
2014-01-31 17:26:15 renoirb: ... On that, we need to have a page to use as an example (hence: Golden standard page)
2014-01-31 17:26:18 renoirb: ... that include examples
2014-01-31 17:26:23 renoirb: ... links and references
2014-01-31 17:27:48 renoirb: ... so we need that ONE VOLUNTEER to make that example page
2014-01-31 17:27:58 renoirb: ... and the community to review it
2014-01-31 17:28:35 renoirb: ACTION: Somebody to find a volunteer for that Golden page :)
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2014-01-31 17:29:41 renoirb: Julee: Also we can accept people to volunteer on specific section of a content page
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2014-01-31 17:30:01 renoirb: ... I am suggesting that we use the Array page as the candidate to be the page to use
2014-01-31 17:30:30 renoirb: renoirb: agrees with the Array page
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2014-01-31 17:30:50 renoirb: AGENDA: Schedule
2014-01-31 17:31:17 renoirb: JuleE: there is about 360 pages
2014-01-31 17:31:43 renoirb: ... with various levels of information depth
2014-01-31 17:32:07 renoirb: ... if we target about 50 pages a week. We are maybe looking at 6 months of work
2014-01-31 17:32:23 renoirb: ... lets see how many contributors we have.
2014-01-31 17:32:37 renoirb: ... we are going to have a few DocSprints coming in.
2014-01-31 17:32:43 renoirb: ... a lot can be done during those
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2014-01-31 17:33:58 renoirb: Eliot:  Due to the number of DocsSprints, we are looking at a 6 months as a baseline
2014-01-31 17:34:00 julee: AGENDA: Site stability
2014-01-31 17:34:41 julee: renoirb: last time, after the migration, load balancing was needed between server instances
2014-01-31 17:34:50 julee: … I'm in the process of moving around the VMs
2014-01-31 17:35:01 julee: … it's a slow process. Not to do during the wee.
2014-01-31 17:35:08 julee: … I'll do it on the weekends.
2014-01-31 17:35:21 julee: … A blocker is that 1 isn't being used at all.
2014-01-31 17:35:42 julee: … We'll use that 4th one for swapping.
2014-01-31 17:35:52 arnaudb: Remote host closed the connection
2014-01-31 17:36:05 julee: … I'm also fine tuning install, adjust apache servers between servers.
2014-01-31 17:36:39 julee: julee: how long to get to HA 99%
2014-01-31 17:36:40 julee: ?
2014-01-31 17:36:53 julee: renoirb: right now it works well.
2014-01-31 17:37:00 julee: … there's a lot of work to do.
2014-01-31 17:37:12 julee: … there's also compatibility table work so I can't work on this all the time.
2014-01-31 17:37:21 julee: … It's hard to have just one person on this.
2014-01-31 17:37:27 julee: … There's always something to do.
2014-01-31 17:37:33 julee: … I want to say next week,
2014-01-31 17:37:38 julee: … But let's say 1 month.
2014-01-31 17:37:49 julee: … I have to install tools to make sure.
2014-01-31 17:38:03 julee: … wish I could have more reassurance.
2014-01-31 17:38:26 julee: julee: if you install tools, you'll be able to predict better.
2014-01-31 17:38:40 julee: renoirb : I see in current tools what's happening
2014-01-31 17:38:54 julee: … But when you see 503s, I need to adjust things.
2014-01-31 17:39:11 julee: … Errors on servers are always going to be a 503 or whatever.
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2014-01-31 17:41:41 julee: julee: predictability first, then HA for contributors
2014-01-31 17:41:51 julee: renoirb: I know this is important
2014-01-31 17:41:58 julee: … I am communicating
2014-01-31 17:42:05 julee: … I have a list I discuss with Doug
2014-01-31 17:42:13 julee: … We have systems that are giving us information
2014-01-31 17:42:20 julee: … We just need to make adjustments
2014-01-31 17:42:32 julee: … We don't have a crystal ball
2014-01-31 17:42:39 julee: … I need to work on it on the weekend
2014-01-31 17:42:44 julee: … And then monitor during the week
2014-01-31 17:43:23 julee: … I like that we make a blog post
2014-01-31 17:43:28 julee: … and we amplify it
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2014-01-31 17:43:54 julee: … want to capture the failure for auto communication
2014-01-31 17:44:13 julee: … and communicating when something happens
2014-01-31 17:44:24 julee: eliot: I'll help you with a blog post
2014-01-31 17:44:35 julee: … and we understand the complexity you were handled
2014-01-31 17:44:46 julee: renoirb: it's not bad, just a big system
2014-01-31 17:45:00 renoirb: ... and a lot of loose ends
2014-01-31 17:45:16 julee: julee: yes, we appreciate all that renoirb is doing for us
2014-01-31 17:45:51 julee: renoirb: I have a plan that I communicated with Doug
2014-01-31 17:46:00 julee: … compatibility tables I'm also working on
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2014-01-31 17:46:30 julee: Max: we have an internal test app, bot to load down the servers to test capacities
2014-01-31 17:46:37 julee: renoirb: that would be nice
2014-01-31 17:46:47 julee: … I have a system that does a lot of pages
2014-01-31 17:46:53 julee: … a shell script
2014-01-31 17:47:09 julee: … but a loadtesting suite, that would be great to get some help to build that.
2014-01-31 17:47:19 julee: Max: it draws out problems.
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2014-01-31 17:47:25 julee: renoirb: could you help?
2014-01-31 17:47:36 julee: Max: sure, it's a longterm project, but yes
2014-01-31 17:48:10 jensimmons: for the landing page discussion: http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
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2014-01-31 17:49:37 renoirb: AGENDA: Compatibility Tables
2014-01-31 17:49:39 julee: AGENDA: compatibility tables
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2014-01-31 17:50:11 renoirb: Pat
2014-01-31 17:50:33 renoirb: Pat tressel
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2014-01-31 17:50:40 julee: renoirb: I got in touch with Pat Tressel
2014-01-31 17:50:56 julee: we are free to work on the compat tables
2014-01-31 17:51:12 julee: … there had been some discussions about how to represent it
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2014-01-31 17:51:25 julee: … all we want is to import MDN & caniuse for now
2014-01-31 17:51:38 julee: … eventually, data will come from Testthewebforward
2014-01-31 17:51:54 julee: … Right now we have the code from Pat to build the HTML tables
2014-01-31 17:52:02 julee: … We're about to start this taskforce
2014-01-31 17:52:24 julee: … to use TestTWF
2014-01-31 17:52:53 julee: … Need to not cut off data that we have from MDN & caniuse
2014-01-31 17:53:03 julee: … ^ historical data
2014-01-31 17:53:21 julee: … Testtwf will be additive
2014-01-31 17:53:31 julee: … browser sniffing as well
2014-01-31 17:53:38 julee: There are a lot of components
2014-01-31 17:53:42 ptressel: (Little correction: The code is from frozenice, rather than Pat.)
2014-01-31 17:53:52 julee: … Part of Testtwf project
2014-01-31 17:54:05 eliot: Just  a point of clarity: I believe the goal is to uset he W3C test suite (which TestTWF donates tests to)
2014-01-31 17:54:10 julee: Julee: can we get a plan?
2014-01-31 17:55:02 eliot: q+
2014-01-31 17:56:44 julee: Julee: would like to have more visibility on this plan
2014-01-31 17:56:50 julee: Are we triangulating data
2014-01-31 17:56:55 julee: What taskforce?
2014-01-31 17:57:06 julee: What if Testtwf doesn't have test?
2014-01-31 17:57:26 julee: Are we no longer going to take the contributed data from others and triangulate the data?
2014-01-31 17:57:44 julee: renoirb: we'll do browser sniffing and push the results
2014-01-31 17:58:23 julee: Julee: I gues there's already a taskforce & designs, I look forward toseeing some of this.
2014-01-31 17:58:47 julee: Eliot: Testtwf : tests are donated
2014-01-31 17:59:02 julee: … the goal is to use this test suite to validate
2014-01-31 17:59:28 julee: … If no test, spec can't get to Recommendation phase without tests for each normative statement
2014-01-31 17:59:46 julee: … 6 figures for HTML5 of tests
2014-01-31 17:59:58 julee: …  10K tests are being donated!
2014-01-31 18:00:06 julee: … All specs need these test
2014-01-31 18:00:14 julee: … Ultimately, that's what we're going for
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2014-01-31 18:00:37 julee: … And then if we have sites that don't use normative tests, do we use that data?
2014-01-31 18:01:13 julee: … More like building a test harness than juggling folks who are creating these tests
2014-01-31 18:01:24 julee: jen: hope we still have a human element, here
2014-01-31 18:01:36 julee: eliot: Yes
2014-01-31 18:01:53 julee: … And what if spec doesn't have tests
2014-01-31 18:02:11 julee: jen: really is a resource : can I really use this right now
2014-01-31 18:02:38 julee: … test harness is great, but when data is aggregated and triangulated, it gives a human reality check
2014-01-31 18:03:02 julee: eliot: yes, but for the purpose of the compatibility table : it is about the data
2014-01-31 18:03:12 julee: jen: that's not how folks use caniuse
2014-01-31 18:03:24 julee: eliot: We're saying teh same thing
2014-01-31 18:03:39 julee: jen: but maybe we have different definitions of whether something works
2014-01-31 18:03:48 julee: … real word level of specs not working out
2014-01-31 18:05:14 julee: julee: The taskforce should be announced
2014-01-31 18:05:25 julee: … and plan should be published so folks can comment on it
2014-01-31 18:06:09 renoirb: scribenick: renoirb
2014-01-31 18:06:12 jensimmons: http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
2014-01-31 18:06:15 renoirb: Jen: If you go to ^
2014-01-31 18:06:22 renoirb: ... you see a prototype in progress
2014-01-31 18:06:36 renoirb: ... should get the idea of the model
2014-01-31 18:06:57 renoirb: ... could get the idea of the content hierarchy
2014-01-31 18:07:46 renoirb: ... do not look at the lower section
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2014-01-31 18:08:52 renoirb: ... for the first page, doesn't matter if we have to update some of the content in the html directly
2014-01-31 18:09:16 renoirb: ... make sure that content such as next doc sprints
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2014-01-31 18:10:56 renoirb: ... opinions
2014-01-31 18:11:08 renoirb: Eliott: I really like the direction you are going with this
2014-01-31 18:11:16 renoirb: Julee: this is more what we need
2014-01-31 18:11:58 jonatasnona: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
2014-01-31 18:12:01 renoirb: Jen: I just wanted to give direction, we should definitely agree with the content
2014-01-31 18:14:38 renoirb: renoirb: seconds about Eliot and Julee
2014-01-31 18:14:43 renoirb: adjourned
2014-01-31 18:14:43 jensimmons: If you haven't seen this yet — Conference call in real life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu_bGbZiiQ
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2014-01-31 18:16:59 renoirb: thanks julee for the note at the end
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2014-01-31 18:18:47 eliot: jensimmons: Thanks. That's too real. "Rex, get down!"
2014-01-31 18:18:51 renoirb: I totally felt you were the hidden guy  when you apeared jensimmons
2014-01-31 18:19:48 julee: renorib : you're the best! ;-)
2014-01-31 18:20:20 ptressel: renoirb, Say...do the meeting notes get posted somewhere, or is the channel logged? My network connection decided to die just as the meeting was starting. :P
2014-01-31 18:20:22 frozenice: I see the meeting went well. :)
2014-01-31 18:20:58 frozenice: btw ptressel renoirb: I'm on leave/vacation next month, so a time slot for meetings should be easy to find :)
2014-01-31 18:21:07 ptressel: Ah!
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2014-01-31 18:29:12 ptressel: So...anyone know if the channel is logged, or if the meeting notes get scraped to somewhere?
2014-01-31 18:29:39 frozenice: julee or so will post the notes
2014-01-31 18:33:17 ptressel: Ok, thanks! At the point where I got re-connected, the discussion was on the browser compatibility import...
2014-01-31 18:33:30 frozenice: bad timing
2014-01-31 18:33:36 frozenice: or good
2014-01-31 18:34:06 frozenice: the raw notes are now posted btw
2014-01-31 18:34:20 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/General/2014/0131_raw_mtg_notes
2014-01-31 18:34:48 ptressel: Thanks!!
2014-01-31 18:35:21 ptressel: frozenice, Bad timing, as I was *also* in the middle of a payment on Amazon.
2014-01-31 18:35:28 frozenice: heh
2014-01-31 18:36:23 ptressel: Also backup. Had to quit out of backup and restart both my laptop and dsl modem.
2014-01-31 18:37:02 ptressel: I think my isp is yanking my dhcp lease too frequently...or something. Really need to start using wireshark...
2014-01-31 18:56:14 renoirb: Hey ptressel no worries. I restored the logger yesterday.
2014-01-31 18:56:46 renoirb: ... but the thing we use to show it has not been reinstalled.
2014-01-31 18:56:55 renoirb: ... it was a low hanging fruit that I worked on yesterday.
2014-01-31 18:57:15 renoirb: Say hi to wp-logger ptressel
2014-01-31 19:01:16 ptressel: Aha!
2014-01-31 19:01:27 ptressel: wp-logger hi
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2014-01-31 19:01:42 ptressel: Ok, not a responder. ;-)
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2014-01-31 19:05:44 renoirb: ptressel: The thing is a python script that push to a database table. that is all.
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2014-01-31 19:06:17 frozenice: hmm, I need to finish irc-apparatus...
2014-01-31 19:06:20 ptressel: Ah! We (sahanafoundation.org) run Sean Palmer's loggy, which is Python.
2014-01-31 19:06:54 renoirb: I'd like to push to a dedicated ElasticSearch index someday
2014-01-31 19:07:04 renoirb: Then create a small Kibana dashboard
2014-01-31 19:07:08 renoirb: for it
2014-01-31 19:07:34 frozenice: how hard would it be to setup such an index?
2014-01-31 19:07:46 renoirb: curl POST with right parameters...
2014-01-31 19:07:54 renoirb: ... and have that ES cluster.
2014-01-31 19:07:55 renoirb: in my todo
2014-01-31 19:08:06 ptressel: What's the index for?
2014-01-31 19:08:23 renoirb: ElasticSearch ("ES") can have more than one index.
2014-01-31 19:08:25 frozenice: would be a straight-forward plugin for irc-apparatus :)
2014-01-31 19:08:31 renoirb: We will eventually have:
2014-01-31 19:08:36 renoirb: - LogStash
2014-01-31 19:08:44 renoirb: - IRC (an idea)
2014-01-31 19:08:50 ptressel: But...what goes in the index?
2014-01-31 19:08:59 frozenice: this
2014-01-31 19:09:12 renoirb: - Whatever else we might want to use a search engine for
2014-01-31 19:09:18 ptressel: Oh, you mean index in the sense of *lucene*.
2014-01-31 19:09:25 renoirb: yes!
2014-01-31 19:09:33 ptressel: Er...why not lucene?
2014-01-31 19:09:56 ptressel: With Solr?
2014-01-31 19:09:59 frozenice: ES is based on lucene
2014-01-31 19:10:06 renoirb: ElasticSearch is a service container (similar to Solr) that stores in Lucene format (but scales better)
2014-01-31 19:10:11 ptressel: Sort-of.
2014-01-31 19:10:34 ptressel: As in the author also started Lucene, IIRC.
2014-01-31 19:10:38 renoirb: It is the same, but the way ES is built, you can have more than one server to store all the indexes.
2014-01-31 19:11:00 renoirb: I have to go.
2014-01-31 19:11:02 renoirb: BRB
2014-01-31 19:11:05 ptressel: But ES is rewritten to support higher bandwidth
2014-01-31 19:11:12 ptressel: Right
2014-01-31 19:11:16 ptressel: o/
2014-01-31 19:11:46 renoirb: we have ES at the moment
2014-01-31 19:12:00 ptressel: Ok, that's an argument in favor of using it. :D
2014-01-31 19:12:09 renoirb: see annotation.webplatform.org:5000/stream
2014-01-31 19:12:12 renoirb: http://annotation.webplatform.org:5000/stream
2014-01-31 19:12:19 renoirb: and http://annotation.webplatform.org:5000/
2014-01-31 19:12:38 renoirb: data is stored in ES
2014-01-31 19:12:47 renoirb: see the hypothes.is project
2014-01-31 19:12:50 renoirb: http://
2014-01-31 19:12:53 renoirb: got to go now
2014-01-31 19:13:16 ptressel: Bye! (mee too)
2014-01-31 19:13:26 frozenice: bb
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2014-01-31 20:11:30 julee: shepazu : will you be on line?
2014-01-31 20:11:40 renoirb: yes, i will  for sure!
2014-01-31 20:11:47 julee: yeah! thanks much!
2014-01-31 20:13:42 renoirb: Sure, I had this in mind to say during the meeting. But got too busy scribingç
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2014-02-01 00:40:11 shepazu: eliezerb, barely
2014-02-01 00:40:51 eliezerb: shepazu, Just received a Max's mail about my question
2014-02-01 00:40:52 eliezerb: Thanks
2014-02-01 00:41:22 shepazu: np
2014-02-01 00:49:34 renoirb: ohai!
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2014-02-01 00:53:13 eliezerb: hey renoirb
2014-02-01 00:53:24 renoirb: hey eliezerb
2014-02-01 00:53:46 eliezerb: Max started the import but I had not moved the Templates and Form to the main wiki
2014-02-01 00:56:49 eliezerb: I was ready for that, and it's done...
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2014-02-01 01:05:52 eliezerb: renoirb, Now the imorted was resumed
2014-02-01 01:09:13 renoirb: ok, things are good to go here
2014-02-01 01:09:19 renoirb: from my graph :)
2014-02-01 01:09:36 renoirb: anyway, it worked well with the numerous imports that happened in the past, right :)
2014-02-01 01:09:44 eliezerb: cool
2014-02-01 01:09:47 eliezerb: I'm nervous
2014-02-01 01:09:49 eliezerb: haha
2014-02-01 01:19:20 renoirb: So, we are waiting now.
2014-02-01 01:19:35 renoirb is shutting down ... KIDDING!
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2014-02-01 01:22:25 eliezerb_2nd is on his knees
2014-02-01 01:23:09 eliezerb_2nd: renoirb, I guess that it's done...
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2014-02-01 01:25:00 renoirb: yeah, pretty much
2014-02-01 01:25:05 renoirb is trying random pages
2014-02-01 01:25:20 eliezerb: Everything is up?
2014-02-01 01:25:45 eliezerb: renoirb, I still have to take care of the Semantic properties...
2014-02-01 01:25:58 renoirb: hard to tell...
2014-02-01 01:26:05 renoirb: will wait Max's update
2014-02-01 01:26:31 eliezerb: yup
2014-02-01 01:26:45 renoirb: Making ref to the original (e.g.: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff848265(v=vs.94).aspx ) is very nice
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2014-02-01 01:31:54 eliezerb: renoirb, Thanks... I'm going have a nice weekend!
2014-02-01 01:34:05 renoirb: weeee!!
2014-02-01 01:34:29 renoirb: Have a nice one eliezerb
2014-02-01 01:34:31 renoirb: good job!
2014-02-01 01:34:55 eliezerb: renoirb, Thanks, but the job just started :)
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2014-02-04 16:37:02 gkr: hello pipoulain
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2014-02-04 17:23:50 eliezerb: hey gkr!
2014-02-04 17:24:03 gkr: hey ?
2014-02-04 17:24:09 eliezerb: hello*
2014-02-04 17:24:23 gkr: I'm just surprised to be greeted
2014-02-04 17:24:35 eliezerb: gkr, Why?
2014-02-04 17:25:09 gkr: I'm idling here for quite some times and it's the first time I'm personnaly greeted
2014-02-04 17:25:48 renoirb: Hey :)
2014-02-04 17:25:52 renoirb: some life here!
2014-02-04 17:26:30 eliezerb: gkr, So, be welcome! It's really nice have you with us!
2014-02-04 17:27:02 renoirb: gkr: gotta talk when there are people talking then :)
2014-02-04 17:27:39 gkr: or I could work on the wiki :)
2014-02-04 17:28:03 renoirb: we are not slaves, IRC is for live chat with other contributors.
2014-02-04 17:28:31 gkr: I haven't contributed yet to the wiki
2014-02-04 17:28:45 renoirb: You do what you can.  We are going to reboot the WebPlatform Wednesdays soon enough.  Its more encouraging when there are many people together.
2014-02-04 17:29:16 renoirb: it takes time gkr. But webdevs are the ones we want most to participate with us
2014-02-04 17:29:31 gkr: reboot, like in restarting from scratch ?
2014-02-04 17:29:45 renoirb: Some of us are tech writers. But nothing's better than an actual web dev who shares his experience
2014-02-04 17:29:54 renoirb: no, as in resuming
2014-02-04 17:30:10 renoirb: We finished recently covering most of CSS3 properties.
2014-02-04 17:30:16 gkr: nice :)
2014-02-04 17:30:22 renoirb: Then we had server migration, then holidays.
2014-02-04 17:30:47 renoirb: We just imported MSDN's JavaScript documentation to start working on documenting HTML5 JavaScript
2014-02-04 17:31:26 renoirb: So... soon we will have #WPW and work to make the imported documentation cover EcmaScript 5.1
2014-02-04 17:32:02 renoirb: See: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/javascript   and the JavaScript new root page http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript
2014-02-04 17:32:32 renoirb: eliezerb contributed on the MediaWiki templates for the content import
2014-02-04 17:32:41 gkr: the index table is kind of scaring
2014-02-04 17:32:46 renoirb: we know :)
2014-02-04 17:32:55 gkr: ok, it's totally scary
2014-02-04 17:32:57 renoirb: There is a lot of work
2014-02-04 17:33:15 renoirb: We cannot become the reference authority overnight :)
2014-02-04 17:33:32 gkr: of course :)
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2014-02-04 17:34:32 gkr: the css property list is still as scary as I remember it
2014-02-04 17:35:12 gkr: screen and screen of property, ending with a letter b and a "See more pages..." link
2014-02-04 17:35:54 renoirb: hahaha
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2014-02-04 17:37:08 renoirb: Things will change over time. For now we wanted to have something for people to easily contribute (a wiki).
2014-02-04 17:37:24 gkr: I could do a page grouping stuff by topic
2014-02-04 17:37:49 renoirb: But eventually we will build something to better serve our needs. A mix of a CMS, Community management, issue tracker, etc.
2014-02-04 17:37:49 gkr: border for exemple. There is border-related property on the first page of properties
2014-02-04 17:38:03 renoirb: ok
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2014-02-04 17:48:05 renoirb: Where are you from gkr?
2014-02-04 17:48:10 gkr: france
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2014-02-04 17:49:27 gkr: well, no avatar for me
2014-02-04 17:49:39 renoirb: What do you mean, no avatar for you?
2014-02-04 17:50:06 gkr: I got an error 500 for two different avatar
2014-02-04 17:50:11 gkr: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:UploadAvatar
2014-02-04 17:53:20 renoirb: thanks for this!
2014-02-04 17:53:22 renoirb: let me see
2014-02-04 17:53:54 Garbee: gkr: Let us know when something breaks or isn't working as expected. That means we have something to look at.
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2014-02-04 20:52:11 shepazu: julee, fyi, renoirb and I have been meeting each day this week, and are making incremental and steady progress toward normalizing the MDN compat data
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2014-02-04 21:49:14 julee: shepazu & renoirb : that's terrific!
2014-02-04 21:53:22 julee: Someone want to do examples for http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array ?
2014-02-04 21:53:36 julee: We're looking to make it a gold standard for the upcoming JS project
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2014-02-05 18:20:45 jensimmons: julee: do you have any time today to have a call via skype?
2014-02-05 18:21:53 jensimmons: I have a few questions about how people should be getting involved
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2014-02-05 18:30:40 julee: jensimmons : Great! I can install skype, or you could call my cell, or we could do a g hangout…
2014-02-05 18:30:54 jensimmons: phone or hangout is cool
2014-02-05 18:30:55 julee: I'm free until 2:55p PST
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2014-02-05 19:25:59 ravenzz: great job on the JavaScript ref docs guys!
2014-02-05 19:39:35 gkr: Isn't the javascript an import from MDN ?
2014-02-05 19:41:38 eliezerb: gkr, It's an import from MSDN :)
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2014-02-06 18:15:27 julee: Hello, everyone!
2014-02-06 18:15:53 julee: Looking for examples for the Array page http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-02-06 18:17:05 julee: ones that use best practices and illustrate the best use cases
2014-02-06 18:17:12 julee: hehehe
2014-02-06 18:22:37 Garbee: julee: Looks to me like it fails to point out using the short array syntax ( ['item','item2'] ) unless it is supposed to be excluded for some reason.
2014-02-06 18:30:06 julee: Hi, Garbee: I agree. I'll change that. But what I think the page really needs is more / better / best practices examples.
2014-02-06 18:34:07 Garbee: ugh. I see this and I really want to go, "Let's explain what arrays are used for." but the other part of me goes "You're an idiot. That is what other documentation material should do."
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2014-02-06 18:40:13 julee: Garbee: I've written some stuff, but I'm stuck on entering it.
2014-02-06 18:40:43 Garbee: Well, this is reference material. We should assume that the people looking at this know what an array is used for.
2014-02-06 18:40:46 julee: eliezerb: there's a "main content" field, but there's not heading.
2014-02-06 18:40:57 Garbee: Main content has no heading.
2014-02-06 18:41:13 julee: So, it's just supposed to merge with "Remarks" ?
2014-02-06 18:41:17 eliezerb: julee: This is free content area
2014-02-06 18:41:24 julee: Then why is it a separate section?
2014-02-06 18:41:54 eliezerb: julee: To allow add other content, some new section that was not included in templates
2014-02-06 18:42:09 julee: After examples, there's Remarks, and after Remarks, there's main content.
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2014-02-06 18:42:35 Garbee: Main content should be above remarks I think.
2014-02-06 18:42:45 Garbee: Main content should be right after the summary on pages.
2014-02-06 18:42:49 Garbee: At least I'd think so.
2014-02-06 18:44:10 julee: I think Doug wanted the syntax high up.
2014-02-06 18:44:20 Garbee: ah.
2014-02-06 18:44:32 julee: But, I don't want to redesign the template right now.
2014-02-06 18:44:37 julee: Anyway.
2014-02-06 18:44:40 eliezerb: I can move Main Content to come before the Remarks
2014-02-06 18:44:43 julee: We spent too much time on it.
2014-02-06 18:44:59 Garbee: eliezerb: Nah don't.
2014-02-06 18:45:08 Garbee: Having the syntax up top for this makes sense for devs.
2014-02-06 18:45:13 Garbee: To quickly get in and get out.
2014-02-06 18:45:30 Garbee: But, we should find a way to make the main content section stand out from the remarks section.
2014-02-06 18:45:39 eliezerb: julee: You can add some title
2014-02-06 18:45:50 eliezerb: Just typing normal MW markdown
2014-02-06 18:45:57 Garbee: A title of "Content" or "main content" sounds really odd.
2014-02-06 18:46:15 Garbee: So what should it be headed as so things are clearly separated?
2014-02-06 18:46:19 julee: eliezerb : I think I just needed to understand that "main content" is really an "Additional notes" section.
2014-02-06 18:47:12 eliezerb: julee: And Remarks for other notes?
2014-02-06 18:47:32 Garbee: Yea, we should probably rename main content to additional notes then.
2014-02-06 18:47:38 Garbee: That does sound right.
2014-02-06 18:48:04 Garbee: The main content in this section is the syntax and definition imo.
2014-02-06 18:48:12 julee: eliezerb : The idea is that I have some summary content, syntax, examples — and know where to put these.
2014-02-06 18:48:26 julee: now, when I go to discuss the API, where should I put it?
2014-02-06 18:48:37 julee: I figured "main content"
2014-02-06 18:49:06 Garbee: What kind of content would go into an API section for JS?
2014-02-06 18:49:07 julee misread content already in remarks as examples.
2014-02-06 18:49:15 Garbee still has blurred lines between DOM and JS stuff.
2014-02-06 18:49:50 julee: Garbee : the JS namespace is for the language reference — stuff in the ECMAScript spec
2014-02-06 18:50:12 julee: eliezerb : So, I think, instead, I should put this discussion content in the Remarks section.
2014-02-06 18:50:48 eliezerb: julee: In a separate field?
2014-02-06 18:51:04 julee: And then, treat the "Main content" section as the "Additional notes" section: notes, import notes, 3rd party links, etc.
2014-02-06 18:51:48 julee: eliezerb: ?
2014-02-06 18:52:17 eliezerb: I guess that I got
2014-02-06 18:52:18 eliezerb: One sec
2014-02-06 18:52:53 eliezerb: julee: Can you check if we have some content in the Main Content field?
2014-02-06 18:53:47 julee: There were some hard-coded prop/fn/method lists that Max imported in there.
2014-02-06 18:54:13 julee: Above that, I started adding some detailed description about Arrays.
2014-02-06 18:54:41 eliezerb: julee: That hard-coded is something that we still need
2014-02-06 18:54:55 eliezerb: So I can not get rid of the Main Content field right now
2014-02-06 18:55:08 julee: I'm not requesting you do.
2014-02-06 18:55:18 eliezerb: What I can do is add a Notes Section
2014-02-06 18:55:29 eliezerb: Like the CSS ones
2014-02-06 18:55:39 julee: First, I'm trying to understand where you envisioned things would go.
2014-02-06 18:56:00 julee: OK, before you do any of that…
2014-02-06 18:56:30 julee: Maybe I can pass you my local file that I've been crafting on Array.
2014-02-06 18:56:58 julee: And you take the content in each section and apply enter it on the Array page using your template.
2014-02-06 18:56:59 eliezerb: julee: Sure
2014-02-06 18:57:03 julee: Would you do that for me?
2014-02-06 18:57:17 julee: Then, I could see how you intended it to work.
2014-02-06 18:57:44 julee: If it doesn't work, then we can make the necessary changes or give folks a work around.
2014-02-06 18:57:47 julee: And I
2014-02-06 18:57:55 julee: am sorry I didn't catch this earlier.
2014-02-06 18:58:11 julee: But I think we can work with it, if you'll help me.
2014-02-06 18:58:43 eliezerb: julee: Can you email me the file?
2014-02-06 18:58:52 julee: Will do. And thanks much!
2014-02-06 18:59:06 julee 's computer is running out of steam.
2014-02-06 18:59:06 eliezerb: julee: I've to say sorry for this issues
2014-02-06 18:59:58 julee: No! I should have seen it! You were busy actually implementing the templates — something no one else able to take on!
2014-02-06 19:00:11 julee: brb
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2014-02-07 03:07:10 julee: OK, I've worked some on Array http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-02-07 03:07:18 julee: Still need better examples.
2014-02-07 03:07:40 julee: I'm done for the night, so go for it!
2014-02-07 03:07:53 julee: Nite all.
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2014-02-07 15:37:26 eliezerb: renoirb: Yeah, the logo is very close to the WPD
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2014-02-07 15:39:39 renoirb: I know
2014-02-07 15:40:01 renoirb: I'll make sure it falls in my boss' radar!
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2014-02-07 17:08:24 jkomoros_: scribenick: jkomoros_
2014-02-07 17:08:29 jkomoros_: topic: MDN Compat Tables
2014-02-07 17:08:51 jentesting: I won't be on the phone today, but I'll lurk in this channel if my tethered phone connection says working. This is Jen Simmons, btw.
2014-02-07 17:08:57 jkomoros_: shepazu: frozenice made a script to pull in data from MDN
2014-02-07 17:09:43 jkomoros_: ... renoirb made a conversion script from that format into more clean data
2014-02-07 17:09:47 renoirb is sorry to be late
2014-02-07 17:10:27 jkomoros_: ... we're using MDN as the starting point for compat data, since it's tehc loest match to our page structure.
2014-02-07 17:10:35 jkomoros_: ... using the caniuse json format to format the JSON
2014-02-07 17:10:50 jkomoros_: ... later we'll work with our own data format that will be able to accomodate data from our sources
2014-02-07 17:10:54 jkomoros_: ... but this is an easy first pass
2014-02-07 17:11:14 jkomoros_: ... next we should be able to work on the medaiwiki extension that takes the json and injects into web pages
2014-02-07 17:11:19 jkomoros_: ... uses something like this format
2014-02-07 17:11:32 jkomoros_: ... we're going to modify that script slightly to work with the new data
2014-02-07 17:11:37 jkomoros_: ... then I think we're good to put this data out
2014-02-07 17:11:51 jkomoros_: renoirb: There's some limitations on the script that frozenice mentioned
2014-02-07 17:12:06 jkomoros_: ... trying to understand it, but basically it doesn't fetch all because of limitations on paginations on kuma
2014-02-07 17:12:15 jkomoros_: ... so we might need to dig a bt deeper on that
2014-02-07 17:12:22 jkomoros_: shepazu: Might have to do with ratelimiting
2014-02-07 17:12:26 renoirb: Look at the "Current issues" https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/README.md#current-issues
2014-02-07 17:12:30 jkomoros_: ... the big thing is that we have a working conversion script
2014-02-07 17:12:38 jkomoros_: renoirb: This link ^ has information on the current issues
2014-02-07 17:12:46 jkomoros_: ... so it's probably not all data, but we can compare later when we can get more
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2014-02-07 17:13:12 jkomoros_: jkomoros_: Is this a run-once-and-never-again kind of thing?
2014-02-07 17:13:20 jkomoros_: shepazu: We've been assumign we're going to run it once
2014-02-07 17:13:25 jkomoros_: ... MDN data isn't updated all of that often
2014-02-07 17:13:56 jkomoros_: ... renoirb wrote a rigorous script (with frozenice ), so if we need to, we can run it again
2014-02-07 17:14:09 jkomoros_: jkomoros_: I was more thinking, if we work on the data, later imports could blow it away
2014-02-07 17:14:24 jkomoros_: shepazu: I wish jswisher were here today, but we'd love to work closer with MDN
2014-02-07 17:14:41 jkomoros_: ... there's room for improvement in the data, especially when we merge in caniuse
2014-02-07 17:14:56 jkomoros_: ... we could have different data sources all munged into one data source
2014-02-07 17:15:06 jkomoros_: ... we're going to do that with caniuse and W3C test suite anyway
2014-02-07 17:15:15 jkomoros_: ... we could store our own updated data in a separate store and then merge those on
2014-02-07 17:15:25 jkomoros_: ... so our data would take precedence over MDN (likely)
2014-02-07 17:15:58 jkomoros_: ... make all the data available via the same API from multiple sources
2014-02-07 17:16:36 jkomoros_: shepazu: Jeremie Pationnier (sp?) is driving an effort in MDN to improve their compat tables data
2014-02-07 17:16:57 jkomoros_: ... they weren't aware of this project. We'll make the normalized data available to them, obviously
2014-02-07 17:17:28 jkomoros_: ... to help them structure their data more consistently. Hopefully we can convince the MDN folks to join forces with this project
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2014-02-07 17:17:47 jkomoros_: jkomoros_: That could be difficult in practice, but if it works, great!
2014-02-07 17:18:07 jkomoros_: shepazu: I'll reach out to MDN folks about what we're doing, our next steps, our current status, etc on Compat tables
2014-02-07 17:18:43 jkomoros_: ... I'm going to try to work on the script (working with renoirb) over the next week to try to get the script (the extension for mediawiki) going
2014-02-07 17:18:54 jkomoros_: ... will also work with ryanlane
2014-02-07 17:19:08 jkomoros_: ... hopefully we'll have, by next friday, the compat table information generated and displayed in the site
2014-02-07 17:19:15 jkomoros_: [much rejoicing]
2014-02-07 17:19:40 jkomoros_: ... after that, major blocker for announcing CSS prop project is the ready/not-ready flag
2014-02-07 17:19:52 jkomoros_: ... we have the groundwork laid for that so hopefully it won't be too challenging
2014-02-07 17:20:00 jkomoros_: ... eliezerb already wrote the template for that
2014-02-07 17:20:06 jkomoros_: ... and then we need to start talking about how to make the announcement
2014-02-07 17:21:15 jkomoros_: topic: WPW for JS
2014-02-07 17:21:31 jkomoros_: shepazu: since jen isn't here we can't talk about home page effort
2014-02-07 17:21:38 jkomoros_: ... so I think the rest of this meeting should be about JS WPW
2014-02-07 17:21:58 jkomoros_: ... eliot helped drive a blog post from maxpolk about JS and the community
2014-02-07 17:22:04 jkomoros_: ... I thought it was very nicely done
2014-02-07 17:22:25 jkomoros_: ... we now have the JS stuff imported
2014-02-07 17:22:33 jkomoros_: ... and have WPW coming up.
2014-02-07 17:22:55 jkomoros_: julee__:
2014-02-07 17:23:07 jkomoros_: ... this week I tried to get folks to contribute to the Gold Standard JS page
2014-02-07 17:23:19 renoirb: julee: I did a little bit :)
2014-02-07 17:23:20 jkomoros_: ... no one volunteered. I did some work and then requested that folks contribute examples, and no one stepped up
2014-02-07 17:23:34 jkomoros_: ... eliot added a sub-agenda item about what's the plan
2014-02-07 17:23:44 jkomoros_: ...we have everything set up, we just need to have contributors and coordinators
2014-02-07 17:23:57 jkomoros_: ... I'm a little hesitant about what will happen next week, since no one has stepped up yet
2014-02-07 17:24:06 jkomoros_: ... maybe if we can have some of us on this phone call volunteer to coordinate
2014-02-07 17:24:11 jkomoros_: ... and maye amplify the blog post
2014-02-07 17:24:21 jkomoros_: ... and tweet
2014-02-07 17:24:28 jkomoros_: ... to get some folks back into the fold
2014-02-07 17:24:38 jkomoros_: shepazu: I think there's a matter of bringing more people into the fold
2014-02-07 17:24:51 jkomoros_: ... the people who care about JS might be different than the ones who helped out with WPW for CSS
2014-02-07 17:25:01 jkomoros_: ... maybe we should have two WPW's running: JS and HTML at the same time?
2014-02-07 17:25:34 jkomoros_: julee: Given that we can't find enough for one, I think we should just focus on JS
2014-02-07 17:25:41 jkomoros_: eliot: We need to walk before we run
2014-02-07 17:25:58 jkomoros_: ... the bottleneck now is getting it going, and JS is the priority above HTML
2014-02-07 17:26:06 jkomoros_: ... if we have momentum from that we can look at also kicking off JS
2014-02-07 17:26:16 jkomoros_: ... I agree that audiences are different potentially
2014-02-07 17:26:32 jkomoros_: shepazu: I think it will be harder to find JS people to contribute than HTML people to contrbute
2014-02-07 17:26:39 jkomoros_: ... so it seems harder to start on JS than HTML
2014-02-07 17:26:49 jkomoros_: julee: i see that as well
2014-02-07 17:27:03 jkomoros_: ... I was being firm on JS project since we had excitement about it this summer and had announced our intention
2014-02-07 17:27:26 jkomoros_: ... but I'm willing to reassess
2014-02-07 17:28:28 jkomoros_: eliot: I think you're both right but [scribe was asleep at the wheel for a minute]
2014-02-07 17:28:39 jkomoros_: shepazu: so maybe we start more modestly as we ramp up. we have say 5 people
2014-02-07 17:28:56 jkomoros_: ... maybe we do 5 JS pages a week to start (or maybe 10) and build up a base of contributors that way
2014-02-07 17:29:12 jkomoros_: ... I'm concerned with having a gap if we aim too high (like 20), that could have us lose momentum
2014-02-07 17:29:22 jkomoros_: ... maybe if we shoot for 5 and ramp up as capacity increases
2014-02-07 17:29:35 jkomoros_: julee: I'm less worried about numbers than having hte commitment to be coordinators
2014-02-07 17:29:40 jkomoros_: ... and do the community work to pull folks in
2014-02-07 17:30:30 jkomoros_: shepazu: Filling out reference pages is easy but boring
2014-02-07 17:30:50 jkomoros_: ... what if we tried to pair (or gave as an option) take a reference page, and also consider writing a longer article/tutorial about using the feature
2014-02-07 17:30:56 jkomoros_: ... there might be some peopel that woudl appeal to
2014-02-07 17:31:30 jkomoros_: jkomoros_: My gut is that's more work for them to do, making it less likely
2014-02-07 17:31:40 jkomoros_: julee: But making the work more interesting is a good idea
2014-02-07 17:31:50 jkomoros_: shepazu: So maybe we need to highlight the more interesting aspects
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2014-02-07 17:32:05 jkomoros_: eliot: I think that's what came out in the CSS props project: people liked the example code bits best
2014-02-07 17:32:21 jkomoros_: julee__: And if there are good examples on the page, then people who are less knolwedgable can pull from those to write reference
2014-02-07 17:32:34 jkomoros_: ... this week when I tried to get people involved I asked fo rpeople to write examples
2014-02-07 17:33:20 jkomoros_: shepazu: I don't think I could write a good article on JS
2014-02-07 17:33:26 jkomoros_: ... I could do it for SVG or HTML or CSS
2014-02-07 17:33:35 jkomoros_: ... JS feels like it has a higher bar for quality
2014-02-07 17:33:46 renoirb: q+
2014-02-07 17:33:59 renoirb: shepazu, julee__
2014-02-07 17:34:12 renoirb: Go ahead Eliott
2014-02-07 17:34:21 jkomoros_: eliot: What I say at doc sprints to that: "we're nto writing the definitive book, we're writing a wiki"
2014-02-07 17:34:29 jkomoros_: ... others can come to edit/contribute/amend
2014-02-07 17:34:34 jkomoros_: ... we're not shooting for perfect, but solid
2014-02-07 17:35:40 jkomoros_: shepazu: I still feel like JS is harder
2014-02-07 17:35:52 jkomoros_: ... and that there will be others like me who are intimidated
2014-02-07 17:36:05 jkomoros_: renoirb: How about some of us take some time looking at good blogs/sites and ask them to help?
2014-02-07 17:36:11 jkomoros_: ... and JS communities to contact
2014-02-07 17:37:07 jkomoros_: shepazu: What's the timing on all of this?
2014-02-07 17:37:19 jkomoros_: julee: I outlined in the blog post that we'll release the pages on tuesday nights
2014-02-07 17:37:32 jkomoros_: ... and blog post specifically mentioned next tuesday
2014-02-07 17:37:48 jkomoros_: ACTION: everyone to share the blog post about JS WPW and contact people in their community to amplify and join
2014-02-07 17:38:50 jkomoros_: [renoirb, eliot, shepazu commit to being coordinators]
2014-02-07 17:38:56 jkomoros_: julee: Process can be same as before
2014-02-07 17:39:05 jkomoros_: ... once people know what they're doing we can have people volunteer to coordinate
2014-02-07 17:39:24 jkomoros_: ... plan was to get import done in Jan, WPW in Feb, and then we have the fluentconft
2014-02-07 17:39:34 jkomoros_: ... where there are a lot of folks who can join us
2014-02-07 17:39:41 jkomoros_: ... then the docsprint in... belgium?
2014-02-07 17:39:44 jkomoros_: shepazu: Isn't that on hold?
2014-02-07 17:40:10 jkomoros_: julee__: After the docsprint in march we can assess if we're getting enough contributors, how it's going, or if we should move over to HTML
2014-02-07 17:40:26 jkomoros_: eliot: What about having HTML ready for fluent?
2014-02-07 17:40:32 jkomoros_: ... to leverage that expertise there?
2014-02-07 17:40:37 jkomoros_: shepazu: That seems reasonable
2014-02-07 17:40:45 jkomoros_: julee: I thought fluent was more about JS developers
2014-02-07 17:40:52 jkomoros_: eliot: I think it will be both
2014-02-07 17:41:18 jentesting: Fluent used to be about JS only, but they are pushing hard to make it Web Platform in general
2014-02-07 17:41:40 jkomoros_: shepazu: Just want to make sure we don't turn people away who don't want to do JS
2014-02-07 17:41:43 jentesting: and yes, the Belgium doc sprint doesn't have any dates. April was proposed, but won't work.
2014-02-07 17:41:58 jkomoros_: eliot: I'm willing to drive that effort to get ready for HTML by then
2014-02-07 17:42:25 jkomoros_: julee: and I can help as well... I just don't know if we have enough consistent community management to be able to handle both
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2014-02-07 17:43:48 jkomoros_: julee: I'm okay with that
2014-02-07 17:43:55 jkomoros_: ... especially given the number of peopel who will be there
2014-02-07 17:43:57 jkomoros_: eliot: I'll be there, too
2014-02-07 17:44:11 jkomoros_: ... docsprint is open to public
2014-02-07 17:45:00 jkomoros_: shepazu: So we have a plan to announce and what we'll be doing
2014-02-07 17:45:12 jkomoros_: eliot: I'm sitll a little unclear about this coming week's
2014-02-07 17:45:28 jkomoros_: shepazu: My perception is that we have a: we work on a blogpost and each of us tries to find at least one expert to volunteer
2014-02-07 17:45:36 jkomoros_: julee__: The blgopost is already out to point people at
2014-02-07 17:45:44 jkomoros_: ... sot he idea is to announce that the WPW will start next wek
2014-02-07 17:45:47 jkomoros_: ... and send out to folks
2014-02-07 17:45:57 jkomoros_: ... on tuesday we should have a blog post about the topics for the first week
2014-02-07 17:46:14 jkomoros_: ... I was going to start with Array and see who shows up
2014-02-07 17:46:56 jkomoros_: shepazu: MDN has excellent JS docs
2014-02-07 17:47:16 jkomoros_: ... maybe we should see if people who contributed there would be interested in being involved
2014-02-07 17:47:32 jkomoros_: ACTION shepazu to reach out to MDN folks who contributed to JS documentation and see if they want to be involved in JS WPW
2014-02-07 17:49:45 renoirb wants to have your feeling about http://www.w3.org/mid/2703272A-5C27-4FDE-A62A-7133307BE3D2@w3.org
2014-02-07 17:49:58 renoirb AGENDA+ ^
2014-02-07 17:50:15 jkomoros_: [scribe was distracted for a few minutes]
2014-02-07 17:50:26 jkomoros_: shepazu: I think to keep the community we need to keep up the engagement
2014-02-07 17:50:33 jkomoros_: ... short term we just need to find people to help with JS stuff
2014-02-07 17:53:46 jkomoros_: ACTION: shepazu to create a doodle poll about moving this meeting
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2014-02-07 18:38:17 Garbee: imo, people will take inspiration from wherever (or straight up take & modify.) Who knows where the idea originated.
2014-02-07 18:38:46 Garbee: Plus, enforcing possible logo abuse just seems like a silly use of resources when everything we do is CC licensed.
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2014-02-08 01:00:38 renoirb: Yay, I think SMW is spinning crazy again
2014-02-08 01:00:53 renoirb: #NOT
2014-02-08 01:01:40 eliezerb: renoirb: What's happened?
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2014-02-08 01:04:09 renoirb: I dont know. I just see the app server red. cronjob server had 5+ cronjob running in the same time
2014-02-08 01:04:17 renoirb: i killed them, and i am running one manually
2014-02-08 01:04:24 eliezerb: on main wiki?
2014-02-08 01:04:26 eliezerb: or test?
2014-02-08 01:04:28 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics says a lot of tasks 36789
2014-02-08 01:04:42 eliezerb: wtf!
2014-02-08 01:05:00 eliezerb: renoirb: I made an edit in a template on Main WPD
2014-02-08 01:05:26 renoirb: oh
2014-02-08 01:05:27 renoirb: ok
2014-02-08 01:05:39 eliezerb: Let me see
2014-02-08 01:05:51 eliezerb: renoirb: It was 3 hours ago
2014-02-08 01:06:04 eliezerb: In a template that I guess that is present in almost all WPD pages...
2014-02-08 01:07:23 renoirb: ouch. Ok, at least I know its not something that decided to break
2014-02-08 01:07:26 renoirb: by itself
2014-02-08 01:07:39 renoirb: 37305 jobs now
2014-02-08 01:07:43 renoirb: going up. cool #NOT
2014-02-08 01:08:22 eliezerb: renoirb: these jobs usually are related to some edit, am I right?
2014-02-08 01:10:07 eliezerb: renoirb: Gosh, the template that I edit has some internal templates...
2014-02-08 01:13:58 eliezerb: renoirb: Oh sorry this template, has not inner templates... It's just itself
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2014-02-08 01:26:48 renoirb: yes they are related to an edit. if you change a template, it creates jobs
2014-02-08 01:27:02 renoirb: and sometimes, eliezerb, a job done spawns other jobs.
2014-02-08 01:27:08 renoirb: i'm watching it
2014-02-08 01:27:22 renoirb: now it is at 39858
2014-02-08 01:37:02 eliezerb: renoirb: Wow
2014-02-08 01:37:56 renoirb: 42182
2014-02-08 01:38:06 renoirb: going up.   And I have two simultaneous job runners :/
2014-02-08 01:38:12 eliezerb: Is this normal?
2014-02-08 01:39:19 renoirb: i dont know
2014-02-08 01:39:39 renoirb: ill have a chat with ryan about it soon enough though
2014-02-08 01:39:57 eliezerb: renoirb: We have pages="12801" articles="2932"
2014-02-08 01:40:06 eliezerb: It's more jobs than pages!
2014-02-08 01:40:12 renoirb: i know
2014-02-08 01:40:24 eliezerb is surprised
2014-02-08 01:40:46 renoirb: last time we had a bigger bubble it was going to milions
2014-02-08 01:40:58 renoirb: we are still at ten-thousands
2014-02-08 01:41:55 eliezerb: renoirb: Funny that if you keep an eye on the numbers, the job's amount decreases sometimes
2014-02-08 01:53:18 renoirb: it goes down because of the job runner, then some being finished triggers creation of new ones
2014-02-08 01:53:23 renoirb: im off, but keeping an eye
2014-02-08 01:53:24 renoirb: brb
2014-02-08 01:54:55 eliezerb: renoirb: me too
2014-02-08 01:55:02 eliezerb: renoirb: Have a great weekend!
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2014-02-08 03:31:01 renoirb: I just configured app6, app5 to issue runJobs through /usr/bin/timeout 3100, so we only have one job runner at a time, and not accumulating them
2014-02-08 03:32:14 renoirb: Going off to relax now
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2014-02-10 12:45:16 niekalas: Hey! Does someone know where dom ready and load line gone from chrome network timeline? :) I want them back...
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2014-02-10 18:59:08 mdel: +1 nice, thanks for the link jalbertbowdenii
2014-02-10 18:59:24 jalbertbowdenii: a response! killer! :)
2014-02-10 19:00:13 mdel: ;)
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2014-02-10 19:35:46 jalbertbowdenii: ;)
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2014-02-11 15:50:51 Garbee: chrismills: Do you have a few minutes right now to discuss beginner's guide content? (specifically layout method.)
2014-02-11 15:51:36 Garbee: I'm wondering if we should teach flexbox first since it is the spec for layouts. Then mention fallbacks should be used for older browsers or simply stick to float methods for now.
2014-02-11 15:52:06 Garbee wants to just go Flexbox first.
2014-02-11 15:52:40 chrismills: I'd say stick to floats first, for now, as flexbox is still not seen as cross browser compatible
2014-02-11 15:54:30 Garbee: We have IE 11 (10 with -ms-box stuff), Chrome, Safari, and Firefox once what is in nightly lands in stable. (Then Opera since it runs off Blink now.) That seems pretty compatible to me.
2014-02-11 15:54:59 chrismills: then mention flexbox as an alternative
2014-02-11 15:55:08 chrismills: that can be used if your browser support is up to it
2014-02-11 15:55:15 chrismills: I'd mention them side by side as alternatives
2014-02-11 15:55:35 Garbee: oh, but quite a few bugs mentioned on caniuse. http://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox
2014-02-11 15:57:27 ravenzz: yeah teach them the old fashion way of making layouts, and then a few links to flexbox examples
2014-02-11 15:57:44 ravenzz: (eg. the purecss.io grid system)
2014-02-11 15:58:03 chrismills: the other thing is that, even though teaching flexbox is probably a good thing, and I'd agree with that
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2014-02-11 15:59:04 chrismills: they will come across floats on loads of projects for a good while to come
2014-02-11 15:59:09 chrismills: so need to understand both
2014-02-11 16:02:28 Garbee: The thing is we can't do flexbox + fallback with floats. That would be overkill for people just starting.
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2014-02-11 16:06:36 chrismills: Garbee: true. So perhaps explain that we'll get to fallbacks in a more advanced part of the course?
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2014-02-11 16:07:17 Garbee: meh. Beginners Guide shouldn't cover fallbacks imo. That is something extra later on entirely.
2014-02-11 16:07:29 Garbee: We should instead (once a course is written) link over to it.
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2014-02-11 16:08:43 Garbee: We should do an aside note in the content that the float method is sound and well supported, but flexbox is a new standard built specifically for layouts and that they should check it out.
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2014-02-11 16:11:08 Garbee: No matter what browser people have, they should be able to open it up and drop in the code without worrying about vendor prefixes (for most things.)
2014-02-11 16:11:30 Garbee: box-sizing: border-box is getting mentioned whether it still requires a prefix or not.
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2014-02-12 03:26:24 julee: WPW Week 1 blog post needs review: http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=849&preview=true
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2014-02-12 04:23:19 renoirb: Just came back from a local JavaScript user group event. I can't wait to see who will turn up with us :)
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2014-02-12 04:24:01 renoirb: julee___: you forgot the 'enable public preview' checkbox :)  < http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=849&preview=1&_ppp=75e91e6a2c
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2014-02-12 04:26:32 julee___: Ah. Thanks renoirb!
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2014-02-12 17:03:46 jensimmons: I just reverted the Community page. It'd been hacked and replaced by spam.
2014-02-12 17:03:58 jensimmons: What do we do about that user now? Ban them? How is that done?
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2014-02-12 17:08:15 jensimmons: excellent. thanks.
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2014-02-12 17:34:47 Garbee: Community page got hit again?
2014-02-12 17:35:53 Garbee: wow, a few times.
2014-02-12 17:36:19 Garbee: Are any other WPD pages getting hit with a spam overtake like that?
2014-02-12 17:36:39 Garbee: If not, then maybe we should consider locking that page from normal user edits.
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2014-02-12 18:13:56 julee: Blog post is live: http://blog.webplatform.org/2014/02/wpw-week-1-array/
2014-02-12 18:14:36 julee: Please retweet or otherwise share that we're at week 1 of the JavaScript project!
2014-02-12 18:14:36 julee: https://twitter.com/WebPlatform/status/433663921824608257
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2014-02-14 15:49:13 julee: shepazu : are we meeting today or did you find a better time?
2014-02-14 15:49:39 shepazu: julee, good question
2014-02-14 15:50:09 shepazu: lemme see
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2014-02-14 15:51:57 shepazu: julee, it looks like tuesday at 1pm ET is the best option
2014-02-14 15:52:16 shepazu: http://doodle.com/wyvunmpm8dwpbu7f
2014-02-14 15:52:48 shepazu: julee, now, should we have a meeting this week, or just skip until Tuesday?
2014-02-14 15:53:11 shepazu: julee, either way, you and I should chat today
2014-02-14 15:54:22 julee: Yes, maybe see who shows up in an hour, and at least discuss WPW next-steps?
2014-02-14 15:55:21 shepazu: yup
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2014-02-14 17:09:54 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-02-14 17:10:00 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-02-14 17:14:19 renoirb: Snow here http://www.flickr.com/photos/inexisdotnet/12524055864/
2014-02-14 17:14:58 renoirb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/concat
2014-02-14 17:15:03 renoirb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/concat
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2014-02-14 17:34:57 julee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T-rOtfAsHNw
2014-02-14 17:37:40 renoirb: We have this content available for HTML http://sideshowbarker.github.io/htmlr/
2014-02-14 17:37:46 julee: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference
2014-02-14 17:38:52 julee: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/iframe
2014-02-14 17:39:34 renoirb: http://sideshowbarker.github.io/htmlr/input.email.html#input.email
2014-02-14 17:40:25 renoirb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Input
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2014-02-14 18:06:27 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
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2014-02-14 18:09:02 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide/step_2_communicate_with_the_online_community#Join_the_conversation_on_the_IRC_channel
2014-02-14 18:11:30 renoirb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
2014-02-14 18:11:57 julee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
2014-02-14 18:16:51 eliezerb_: Hey renoirb
2014-02-14 18:16:58 renoirb: Hey eliezerb_
2014-02-14 18:17:13 eliezerb_: renoirb: I'm going to work on Main Wiki templates right now
2014-02-14 18:17:20 renoirb: cool!
2014-02-14 18:17:37 renoirb: ooh, you mean. Beware, SMW might go haywire?
2014-02-14 18:18:25 eliezerb_: renoirb: I hope everything go fine
2014-02-14 18:18:43 eliezerb_: renoirb: But I would like to let you know
2014-02-14 18:18:58 eliezerb_: If you see something strange, you'll know that it's me
2014-02-14 18:19:39 renoirb: back
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2014-02-14 18:24:35 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Topic_Hierarchy
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2014-02-14 19:48:59 eliezerb_: shepazu, julee, renoirb: Now we have automatic listing: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-02-14 19:49:18 shepazu: eliezerb_, thanks!
2014-02-14 19:49:28 renoirb: automatic listing?
2014-02-14 19:49:34 eliezerb_: yup
2014-02-14 19:49:58 renoirb: I'm sorry, i don't get it
2014-02-14 19:50:01 eliezerb_: renoirb: We had the Methods, Functions, and Properties link hard coded in the page
2014-02-14 19:50:24 eliezerb_: renoirb: Now they are listed by a query
2014-02-14 19:50:37 renoirb: Ooh!!
2014-02-14 19:50:41 renoirb: !!1
2014-02-14 19:50:45 renoirb: Great!
2014-02-14 19:51:00 eliezerb_: The bad part is that I'll have to update all the pages by hand
2014-02-14 19:51:12 eliezerb_: But in a couple of days, everything will be on shape
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2014-02-14 19:54:17 eliezerb_: renoirb: And no jobs on the server! \o/
2014-02-14 19:54:50 renoirb: \o/
2014-02-14 19:54:52 renoirb: :)
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2014-02-14 21:46:06 jensimmons: ok, I'm running  test. Pretend I'm a random stranger who's just read the new home page and jumped into IRC. How long will it be until I get a response?
2014-02-14 21:46:46 ravenzz: what is your question?
2014-02-14 21:50:14 jensimmons: ah ha!
2014-02-14 21:50:16 jensimmons: excellent!
2014-02-14 21:50:24 jensimmons: one minute response time!!
2014-02-14 21:50:24 frozenice: 40 sec is the answer :)
2014-02-14 21:50:30 jensimmons: 40 seconds!
2014-02-14 21:50:36 jensimmons: \o/
2014-02-14 21:54:04 julee: Welcome, jensimmons!
2014-02-14 21:54:08 julee: ;-)
2014-02-14 21:54:11 jensimmons: thanks!
2014-02-14 21:54:13 jensimmons: :P
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2014-02-14 22:35:11 Garbee: jensimmons: So a about an hour response time from me...
2014-02-14 22:35:14 Garbee: ;)
2014-02-14 22:35:21 jensimmons: hello!
2014-02-14 22:35:33 Garbee tends to ignore "is anyone around" questions though.
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2014-02-14 22:35:43 Garbee: I got too many rooms for that!
2014-02-14 22:36:13 jensimmons: is anyone around?
2014-02-14 22:37:32 Garbee keeps his mouth shut.
2014-02-14 22:38:25 Garbee: ah great.
2014-02-14 22:38:37 Garbee: Now I get to try and Sype later tonight through a VM.
2014-02-14 22:38:44 Garbee: I hate myself for liking Linux too much.
2014-02-14 22:42:35 jensimmons: I just sent out two emails about http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/. I just pushed another latest version to that URL. Feedback appreciated!
2014-02-14 22:48:31 eliezerb_: jensimmons: There's the Facebook page to include on "Keep Up With the Latest"
2014-02-14 22:48:39 jensimmons: ah nice.
2014-02-14 22:48:50 jensimmons: and G+?
2014-02-14 22:49:09 eliezerb_: https://www.facebook.com/WebPlatformDocs
2014-02-14 22:53:00 jensimmons: updated with both
2014-02-14 22:54:26 eliezerb_: jensimmons: great!
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2014-02-14 23:07:55 frozenice: jensimmons: except for the JavaScript thing PhistucK mentioned on the list, the page seems pretty cool!
2014-02-14 23:08:04 jensimmons: cool, thanks!
2014-02-14 23:08:21 jensimmons: JavaScript / Javascript should be fixed now. Ping me if I missed one.
2014-02-14 23:08:23 frozenice: hm, maybe that thing on step 2: <strike>can</strike> could
2014-02-14 23:08:34 frozenice: I don't really know what to make of it
2014-02-14 23:08:55 frozenice: JavaScript looks good
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2014-02-14 23:28:52 frozenice: neat
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2014-02-15 00:24:56 frozenice: julee: did you intentionally add a JS example to the CSS property page as an incentive to fix it? :D
2014-02-15 00:25:46 julee: LOL
2014-02-15 00:25:54 julee: frozenice! You're so funny!
2014-02-15 00:26:03 julee: Actually, I'm the funny one.
2014-02-15 00:26:11 frozenice: aren't we all!
2014-02-15 00:26:11 julee: Will you fix it?
2014-02-15 00:26:35 frozenice: maybe I'll think of some fake CSS property
2014-02-15 00:26:46 julee: I got distracted by trying to figure out how the code pen handles document.write
2014-02-15 00:28:04 julee: yes: how about a <3 property?
2014-02-15 00:28:12 julee: for valentine's day
2014-02-15 00:28:17 frozenice: it's already past midnight here :P
2014-02-15 00:28:34 julee: good!
2014-02-15 00:28:43 julee doesn't really care for valentine's day
2014-02-15 00:28:54 frozenice neither
2014-02-15 00:29:13 julee: great minds, and all that… ;-)
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2014-02-15 00:41:49 Garbee: julee and frozenice, we are in IRC. I think it is pretty clear we don't care for what today is.
2014-02-15 00:41:53 Garbee: :P
2014-02-15 00:43:11 julee: Garbee : Any moment, I am signing off, as I am being compelled to eat sweets with pink frosting…
2014-02-15 00:43:24 Garbee: haha
2014-02-15 00:43:26 Garbee: enjoy.
2014-02-15 00:43:28 julee: k
2014-02-15 00:45:30 frozenice: ok julee, I added some stuff to the page :) wondering why syntax is empty though
2014-02-15 00:49:21 frozenice: hm, I guess SMW isn't enabled for the WPD: namespace
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2014-02-17 23:04:53 shepazu: renoirb, looks like w3.org, including IRC and email, is down
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2014-02-17 23:11:50 renoirb: oh yeah?
2014-02-17 23:11:51 renoirb: ok
2014-02-17 23:12:01 renoirb: that's why I had reconnecting on my bot
2014-02-17 23:13:56 renoirb: I had to hack the bug genie, a few emails were broken and because of them the queue was never being emptied
2014-02-17 23:14:35 renoirb: shepazu: ^
2014-02-17 23:14:58 shepazu: renoirb, interesting
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2014-02-18 00:10:19 Garbee: Our TBG install renoirb?
2014-02-18 00:10:29 Garbee: I didn't think that used a W3 server.
2014-02-18 00:10:34 Garbee: W3C*
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2014-02-18 00:55:45 renoirb: Hey Garbee, no its not related to TBG
2014-02-18 00:56:22 renoirb: The error shepazu was talking is that W3C IRC and email servers are having issues
2014-02-18 00:56:49 renoirb: But TBG was never sending emails due to an error. I'm documenting what is the error
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2014-02-18 13:26:29 Garbee: renoirb: btw, thanks for blowing up my inbox with the issue tracker emails.
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2014-02-18 13:26:42 Garbee: I was kinda wondering why I never got them when I should have been getting them. :P
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2014-02-18 14:45:19 renoirb: Hey Garbee. Do not thank me, thank TBG to have no way (without hacking the code) to purge a mail queue.
2014-02-18 14:46:06 renoirb: ... i had to patch temporarily the code to finish the mail queue, so you got less :)
2014-02-18 14:46:52 Garbee: I'm going to link zegenie to your page.
2014-02-18 14:46:59 Garbee: It is moved over to swiftmailer in the latest code though.
2014-02-18 14:47:03 Garbee: vs the built in stuff.
2014-02-18 14:47:16 renoirb: what is zegenie?
2014-02-18 14:48:07 renoirb: If TBG had used json_encode()/json_decode() at least, they could had avoided the errors that was breaking the mail queue in the first place
2014-02-18 14:51:52 LukeARuth: part
2014-02-18 14:53:49 Garbee: zegenie is the guy who writes TBG.
2014-02-18 14:53:52 Garbee: #thebuggenie
2014-02-18 14:53:59 Garbee: ^^ software's channel.
2014-02-18 14:54:20 Garbee: Yea, I much prefer json encode/decode myself.
2014-02-18 14:54:40 Garbee: JSON is beautiful. serialize is not.
2014-02-18 14:56:03 Garbee: I've seriously thought ( and should even have some demo code somewhere) about replacing TBG with a custom thing done quickly on Laravel. It would be much simpler to manage and use. Wouldn't look as good since I can't design at all. But we'd have control until something better is done.
2014-02-18 14:56:21 Garbee: For all we need an issue tracker for, it is just a few relationships.
2014-02-18 14:56:46 frozenice: or just use GitHub :)
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2014-02-18 15:20:57 renoirb: There are too many things to think of to spend time doing it custom Garbee
2014-02-18 15:21:29 Garbee: Yea, but this is really fast and easy. It isn't like the doc engine. :P
2014-02-18 15:22:00 Garbee: Wouldn't be the cleanest code in the world, but it would hold us over better (or just work better if it is what we kept on using.)
2014-02-18 15:22:17 renoirb: my point :)
2014-02-18 15:22:19 Garbee: frozenice: Github would suck for tracking our doc work.
2014-02-18 15:22:31 renoirb: no, TBG is good enough.
2014-02-18 15:22:41 renoirb: Until we find better.
2014-02-18 15:23:02 Garbee: There is no better with our current setup.
2014-02-18 15:23:24 Garbee looked at *a lot* of stuff.
2014-02-18 15:23:26 frozenice: what doc work Garbee?
2014-02-18 15:23:50 Garbee: frozenice: That thing hardly anyone does except on Wednesdays. ;)
2014-02-18 15:24:18 frozenice: we don't track that in TBG anyways, do we?
2014-02-18 15:24:41 Garbee: frozenice: Well, that was one of the points for TBG. It would make tracking those edits simpler and more effective.
2014-02-18 15:24:46 Garbee: Content project.
2014-02-18 15:25:01 Garbee: Hardly anyone uses it though (if anyone.)
2014-02-18 15:25:30 Garbee: We really should find a way to roll WPW tracking into it. I just hate the whole dual-accounts thing between the docs and tracker.
2014-02-18 15:25:58 Garbee: Plus I don't have the time to spearhead working on how that workflow would work.
2014-02-18 15:26:42 Garbee: I think I honestly got frustrated and burnt out just trying to get TBG installed. :/
2014-02-18 15:30:05 frozenice: I still think GitHub would be an easy replacement for the whole issues thing
2014-02-18 15:32:20 Garbee: Github is good for software specific issues. But as far as the content goes considering everything we do is self-hosted open-source stuff, we should continue that. I just wished it didn't cause multiple accounts for the same domain. :/
2014-02-18 15:33:03 Garbee: There are other reasons to not use GH issues for the content as well. I'm just too lazy to go into details right now.
2014-02-18 15:33:06 frozenice: dunno what's so special about content
2014-02-18 15:33:08 Garbee: Probably only 2 or 3 big ones though.
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2014-02-18 16:56:48 renoirb: frozenice: I think we might get to work on that sooner or later.  I just got a message on TBG on an issue I wrote, it compelled me to reply.  Email notification might help for that! :)
2014-02-18 16:58:01 frozenice: GitHub has those too :P
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2014-02-18 17:37:04 renoirb: frozenice: that's what I say. We will look to work on the issue management later. First things first. We need to have more contributors first :)
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2014-02-18 22:20:36 Garbee: Ok, if you guys need me for anything, email me.
2014-02-18 22:20:43 Garbee: I'm going to run an experiment and try to go a week without IRC.
2014-02-18 22:20:59 Garbee: see ya'll later.
2014-02-18 22:33:37 eliezerb: Garbee: Good luck man! :) We'll miss you
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2014-02-19 18:49:32 eliezerb: renoirb: I've a question about translations, can you give me a hand?
2014-02-19 18:49:41 renoirb: yes
2014-02-19 18:49:45 renoirb: eliezerb: ^
2014-02-19 18:50:01 eliezerb: renoirb: How the translation of a CSS property is going to work?
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2014-02-19 18:50:24 eliezerb: renoirb: Once that the content is based on templates... and the content inside of the templates is in English
2014-02-19 18:51:15 renoirb: This is  a good question. I'm probably not the best person to ask though.
2014-02-19 18:51:48 renoirb: What I recall from previous conversation is that we do not want to discourage people to not translate. But we do not have an appropriate infrastructure for it.
2014-02-19 18:52:31 renoirb: a similar case with compat tables.  We are saying to NOT update them manually because its a separate project.  We are saying, for translation, you can translate. We'll deal with this when we work on the project.
2014-02-19 18:52:52 renoirb: But what worth is it to translate a document if its not ready yet.
2014-02-19 18:54:05 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm thinking about CSS properties... and I'm trying to figure out a way to make this possible :/
2014-02-19 18:54:47 renoirb: Send this question to a new thread via Email
2014-02-19 18:54:53 renoirb: that's my best answer to this :/
2014-02-19 18:55:22 eliezerb: renoirb: Thinking in a very optimistic way. We can use the English templates for that
2014-02-19 18:55:55 frozenice: eliezerb: you can check the Main_Page to see how it's done currently
2014-02-19 18:56:20 eliezerb: frozenice: Yes, but the main page is not using templates...
2014-02-19 18:56:29 renoirb: thx frozenice
2014-02-19 18:56:37 frozenice: doesn't matter :)
2014-02-19 18:56:55 julee: yes. Also, shepazu sent out an email with a lot of good links:
2014-02-19 18:56:55 julee: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2013Apr/0213.html
2014-02-19 18:56:58 frozenice: just stick the languages template into a CSS property page
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2014-02-19 18:57:26 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Translations
2014-02-19 18:57:31 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Multilanguage_Support
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2014-02-19 19:00:56 eliezerb: frozenice: Could you help me set up one example page, just to start?
2014-02-19 19:01:07 eliezerb: From CSS Property?
2014-02-19 19:01:50 frozenice: just put those language templates from the start page into the raw source and create a subpage like /de etc.
2014-02-19 19:01:54 frozenice: should do the trick
2014-02-19 19:02:03 eliezerb: frozenice: oooohh
2014-02-19 19:02:10 eliezerb: I got the trick, genious!
2014-02-19 19:02:26 eliezerb: {{Language}}
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2014-02-19 19:36:57 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm changing the same template from other week issues...
2014-02-19 19:37:55 renoirb: ok eliezerb thanks for notifying me
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2014-02-19 21:41:46 renoirb: eliezerb, i see a set of tasks spawning again
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2014-02-20 02:19:21 eliezerb: renoirb: Sorry, just see your message right now
2014-02-20 02:19:44 renoirb: Yeah, i will fix it
2014-02-20 02:19:53 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json
2014-02-20 02:20:49 eliezerb: renoirb: Well, we know what is making this happen
2014-02-20 02:21:08 renoirb: yeah, and i know how to fix it. its documented, no brainer to do now
2014-02-20 02:21:35 renoirb: i'm currently building a Vagrant VM with MediaWiki to work on compat tables
2014-02-20 02:21:53 eliezerb: renoirb: Cool! Is the script ready?
2014-02-20 02:21:59 renoirb: almost. working on it
2014-02-20 02:22:23 eliezerb is excited to see this compat tables working!
2014-02-20 02:22:59 renoirb: we have it running, but the data is old.
2014-02-20 02:23:20 renoirb: i'm about to change the MW extension [0]  to read from [1]
2014-02-20 02:23:35 renoirb: [0] https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/blob/master/extensions/CompaTables/compatables.php
2014-02-20 02:24:02 renoirb: [1] https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/data/compat-mdn.json
2014-02-20 02:24:44 eliezerb: renoirb: wow!
2014-02-20 02:25:07 eliezerb: Does MDN have some automated tests for these tables?
2014-02-20 02:25:23 renoirb: no. human work
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2014-02-21 01:12:16 renoirb: eliezerb: Just so you know, i uploaded my mediawiki workspace
2014-02-21 01:12:53 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/saltyvagrant-mediawiki/  all you need is an archive of a site using MediaWiki and a mysqldump of it too.
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2014-02-21 01:31:26 renoirb: Hey Ryan_Lane2, I thought you would like to see ^
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2014-02-21 02:16:32 eliezerb: renoirb: This is really awesome
2014-02-21 02:18:27 renoirb: I would had preferred to have something that actually use 1-to-1 our own saltstates. But there is too much work for it
2014-02-21 02:18:58 renoirb: And to develop, to have 3 VMs locally is not easy to manage for everybody
2014-02-21 02:19:14 renoirb: does it work, did I forgot something eliezerb ?
2014-02-21 02:19:55 eliezerb: I did not tested this new version renoirb
2014-02-21 02:20:16 eliezerb: But the last one was working... except the PHP part
2014-02-21 02:20:25 eliezerb: But most of my errors was because of Fedora
2014-02-21 02:21:07 renoirb: why fedora?
2014-02-21 02:21:25 eliezerb: renoirb: Because of the VirtualBox version
2014-02-21 02:21:38 eliezerb: renoirb: But now I'm back with Ubuntu
2014-02-21 02:21:42 renoirb: oh, the host OS you are using is Fedora?
2014-02-21 02:21:51 eliezerb: renoirb: Yes! lol
2014-02-21 02:22:29 renoirb: Its fine to use fedora or not. I was afraid you tried to run the setup with a fedora VM instead of a precise64 (in Vagrantfile)
2014-02-21 02:22:51 eliezerb: I'll probably try again this weekend
2014-02-21 02:23:18 eliezerb: I'm going to start some PHP training, so your project will be very useful!
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2014-02-21 17:04:05 renoirb: Hi all
2014-02-21 17:04:12 eliot: hi
2014-02-21 17:04:45 renoirb changed topic to: WebPlatform Weekly Infrastructure meeting in progress...
2014-02-21 17:07:32 jswisher is here in IRC, but not on the phone
2014-02-21 17:07:38 renoirb: shepazu: are you coming?
2014-02-21 17:13:42 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Upload
2014-02-21 17:14:37 renoirb: http://doodle.com/zz7d8n9ydcsce2wi
2014-02-21 17:16:00 renoirb: oops wrong meeting http://doodle.com/wyvunmpm8dwpbu7f
2014-02-21 17:21:04 renoirb: ACTION: Doug to send new weekly work meeting date time
2014-02-21 17:21:26 renoirb: ACTION: Julee/Eliot to send Renoir file upload problem to adjust MediaWiki
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2014-02-21 17:22:44 renoirb: TOPIC: Talking about homepage design
2014-02-21 17:22:46 renoirb: ... http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
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2014-02-21 17:45:03 renoirb: http://seld.be/
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2014-02-21 17:50:27 renoirb: ACTION: Doug to contact Chris Mills and Andre Bovins
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2014-02-21 17:53:08 shepazu: Bovens
2014-02-21 17:53:25 shepazu: jswisher, ping
2014-02-21 17:53:58 jswisher: shepazu: pong
2014-02-21 17:55:00 shepazu: jswisher, so, we find ourselves in a dilemma
2014-02-21 17:55:43 shepazu: we have an reasonable active community in EU, but the people organizing Doc Sprints want a "cewebrity" or official person to show up to Doc Sprints
2014-02-21 17:56:12 shepazu: but flying to Europe is expensive and time consuming
2014-02-21 17:56:21 shepazu: and we don't have a person there
2014-02-21 17:56:29 shepazu: we could try to foster a person...
2014-02-21 17:56:53 shepazu: but we were wondering if Chris Mills might be able to go to a Belgium Doc Sprint
2014-02-21 17:58:43 jswisher: Chris Mills is on holiday this week, but I can talk to him next week
2014-02-21 17:58:56 shepazu: that would be great, thanks
2014-02-21 17:59:01 jswisher: It would be great to find a European Jen Simmons :-)
2014-02-21 17:59:08 shepazu: indeed!
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2014-02-22 06:04:19 renoirb: Hi Bad_Advice_Cat
2014-02-22 06:04:29 renoirb: Here's the webplatform.org project channel.
2014-02-22 06:05:16 Bad_Advice_Cat: I remember that website. I liked the colors used on that website. Unusual and nice :)
2014-02-22 06:05:50 renoirb: People are not always talkative. If you want to talk to regulars here, see shepazu (my boss at W3C), julee from Adobe, eliezerb a friendly contributor from Brazil, frozenice another friendly contributor from Germany, and myself from Canada.
2014-02-22 06:06:20 Bad_Advice_Cat: Ah alrighties. Thanks.
2014-02-22 06:06:46 renoirb: So, if you are around IRC you can ping them
2014-02-22 06:06:51 renoirb: or me.
2014-02-22 06:07:16 renoirb changed topic to: Discussions about web development and WebPlatform Docs | Join the community! http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community
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2014-02-25 06:00:28 renoirb: Hey ptressel.
2014-02-25 06:00:41 ptressel: renoirb o/
2014-02-25 06:01:31 ptressel: FYA: I'm working on web scraping for Code for America project.
2014-02-25 06:02:07 ptressel: Python & xpath currently, but we don't like xpath as well as DOM selectors, so might switch to BeautifulSoup.
2014-02-25 06:03:39 ptressel: They don't really care what we use for scraping -- it just has to feed their database. They even said node.js was fine, so some folks may be doing that.
2014-02-25 06:04:50 ptressel: I suggested that we should "borrow" your scraper.  :D
2014-02-25 06:06:39 ptressel: Oh, and I also suggested, if we're using xpath anyway, why not just use xslt directly w/o Python?  I got howls of "noooo!" for that.
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2014-02-25 06:12:20 renoirb: BeautifulSoup is what they use at scraperwiki for that purpose.
2014-02-25 06:12:59 ptressel: We're getting legislative info, which tends to be rather different per site.
2014-02-25 06:13:11 renoirb: If you do not mind me asking, I have this issue at the moment [0] that I need to fix soon enough.
2014-02-25 06:13:31 renoirb: Its lower in my chain of priorities, but for me to do it would require that I lean appropriately Python.
2014-02-25 06:13:36 renoirb: I thought of asking you about it
2014-02-25 06:13:39 renoirb: [0]: https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
2014-02-25 06:14:05 renoirb: s/lean/learn/
2014-02-25 06:14:24 renoirb: cool!
2014-02-25 06:14:39 ptressel: Ah yes, I was wondering about the tag request vs. how hard MDN was getting hit.
2014-02-25 06:15:11 ptressel: So the MDN folks might not mind, but their server has limits.
2014-02-25 06:15:34 renoirb: Our problem with the scraper is not the scraper itself. But the source site (MDN <--- Kuma)  code needs to be understood by us so we can get deeper than we are getting now.
2014-02-25 06:15:50 ptressel: Are we missing some pages?
2014-02-25 06:16:16 renoirb: The scraper do not hit the site at every import.  frozenice created a cache and unless you delete the cache, it reuses the same cached data.
2014-02-25 06:16:37 renoirb: wow. lots of 'cache' in one sentence
2014-02-25 06:16:52 renoirb: yes
2014-02-25 06:16:59 renoirb: look at the bug description https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
2014-02-25 06:17:06 ptressel: I am.
2014-02-25 06:18:28 ptressel: Do we know that there are pages with compatibility tables, that do *not* have those tags?
2014-02-25 06:19:05 ptressel: If they are all in pages with those tags, then they have a feed for new pages with specific tags.
2014-02-25 06:20:07 renoirb: hum, I can't tell
2014-02-25 06:20:48 renoirb: I mostly worked on the EntityConverter.js class
2014-02-25 06:21:01 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/lib/EntityConverter.js
2014-02-25 06:21:03 ptressel: If those tags don't pick up all pages with compatibility tables, then we might be able to find them via web search, e.g. set up a Google Custom Search with a query that finds the tables by some other characteristic, like the heading "Browser Compatibility".
2014-02-25 06:21:49 ptressel: I'm not sure what the actual issue is. Are they worried that they may need to do another complete import, and want to do that some other way?
2014-02-25 06:22:03 ptressel: Or do they want to set up a server that receives a feed of new pages?
2014-02-25 06:22:18 renoirb: hum, that's probably what frozenice did.
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2014-02-25 06:23:55 renoirb: The problem is something there: https://github.com/mozilla/kuma/blob/master/apps/wiki/feeds.py#L22
2014-02-25 06:24:50 ptressel: Yesbut...
2014-02-25 06:24:58 ptressel: That's on *their* site.
2014-02-25 06:25:01 renoirb: Sorry. I might miss the point.
2014-02-25 06:25:10 ptressel: Are we asking them to change that just for us?
2014-02-25 06:25:44 renoirb: I know its on their site. thats the problem. How can we find a way to get what we need. There might be an other way to list pages than that class. That's what we gotta find.
2014-02-25 06:25:59 ptressel: Yes, I just suggested one.
2014-02-25 06:26:16 ptressel: ^^ Google Custom Search
2014-02-25 06:26:35 ptressel: Or set up a server to receive a feed
2014-02-25 06:26:49 ptressel: Just the new / changed pages, not the whole thing.
2014-02-25 06:27:56 ptressel: On this page https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Project:MDN/Tools/Feeds it says one option is tag/<tagname> and their description is:
2014-02-25 06:28:13 ptressel: "Recently changed articles, in order by modification date. Only articles that have the specified tag are included in the feed."
2014-02-25 06:28:25 renoirb: Oh, you mean something that sits and grasp the changes as they come. Someday we will get deeper and deeper?
2014-02-25 06:28:46 ptressel: That's for after we have the current / old set.
2014-02-25 06:29:05 ptressel: That's why I'm asking if we're missing some current / old pages.
2014-02-25 06:30:11 renoirb: Yeah, that could work. We have a cached version after all.  We might have to read the cached data, remove the existing data, add the new to the cache.
2014-02-25 06:30:15 ptressel: The other way is to crawl, but slowly.
2014-02-25 06:30:48 ptressel: We'd need to look at what their robots.txt allows, if we want to crawl.
2014-02-25 06:31:20 renoirb: yeah.
2014-02-25 06:31:26 renoirb: I'm a bit over-loaded though.
2014-02-25 06:31:50 ptressel: The only dependency on Python that I see is on their end.
2014-02-25 06:32:05 ptressel: So no need to use Python on our end.
2014-02-25 06:33:37 renoirb: I have other projects that takes all my time. I'm working on improving an openstack cluster at the moment.
2014-02-25 06:34:39 ptressel: Ah!
2014-02-25 06:34:47 ptressel: So what is the real goal?
2014-02-25 06:34:58 ptressel: Doing another import without hitting the limit?
2014-02-25 06:35:23 ptressel: Or finding if there are more pages with compatibility tables than what is in the cache?
2014-02-25 06:35:35 ptressel: Or updating the cache with new / changed pages?
2014-02-25 06:36:38 ptressel: I could post that question in the ticket, so maybe folks will post answers...would that be useful?
2014-02-25 06:37:12 ptressel: I'm not finding their robots.txt in their github repo.
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2014-02-25 06:41:52 renoirb: I would say: "Finding (and caching) [if there] are more pages with compatibility tables ..."
2014-02-25 06:42:23 renoirb: https://developer.mozilla.org/robots.txt
2014-02-25 06:42:45 renoirb: ptressel ^
2014-02-25 06:43:41 ptressel: :D
2014-02-25 06:44:08 ptressel: Heh, so they put it in by hand...
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2014-02-25 06:47:15 ptressel: Would those be pages with the same tags, but new? or pages that don't have any of those tags?
2014-02-25 06:47:29 ptressel: Or both?
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2014-02-25 06:50:38 renoirb: I can't tell.
2014-02-25 06:50:43 renoirb: :/
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2014-02-25 06:52:13 renoirb: They also have this domain: https://developer.allizom.org/en-US/
2014-02-25 06:52:20 renoirb: reverted mozilla
2014-02-25 06:53:01 ptressel: Right, just saw that on their "new developers" page.
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2014-02-25 07:01:51 ptressel: I expect they don't want us to crawl their staging server. ;-)
2014-02-25 07:11:07 ptressel: renoirb, Here's an example query on Google that looks on developer.mozilla.org for "Browser Compatibility" in the page text, for pages changed in the last week:
2014-02-25 07:11:09 ptressel: https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=Browser+Compatibility&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=w&as_sitesearch=developer.mozilla.org&as_occt=body&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=
2014-02-25 07:11:47 ptressel: Only returned about 40 pages.
2014-02-25 07:12:15 ptressel: Could execute that twice a week...
2014-02-25 07:14:35 ptressel: The query itself doesn't touch MDN at all. One can do queries programmatically. Haven't checked if the api includes the page changed date term.
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2014-02-25 07:31:26 renoirb: that could work.
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2014-02-25 18:00:59 shepazu: julee, jensimmons, are you able to join the telcon? if not, I'll just cancel it
2014-02-25 18:01:06 jensimmons: dialing
2014-02-25 18:02:43 jensimmons: http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
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2014-02-25 18:15:59 jensimmons: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/embedded-timelines
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2014-02-25 18:34:20 shepazu: jensimmons, http://status.net/blogs/evan
2014-02-25 18:34:52 shepazu: https://identi.ca/
2014-02-25 18:35:13 shepazu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identi.ca
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2014-02-25 18:40:45 jensimmons: https://alpha.app.net/marco
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2014-02-25 18:47:40 jensimmons: http://unicorninstitute.com/
2014-02-25 18:48:00 jensimmons: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jmspool/unicorn-institute-courses-to-shape-the-future-of-u
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2014-02-25 18:53:30 jensimmons: http://squarespace.com/
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2014-02-25 18:55:31 jensimmons: discussion of app.net http://5by5.tv/buildanalyze/87
2014-02-25 18:55:34 jensimmons: (one of many)
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2014-02-25 21:09:54 julee: Having a weird reload problem...
2014-02-25 21:09:55 julee: http://project.webplatform.org/infrastructure/issues/INFR-66
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2014-02-25 21:48:44 renoirb: I saw the issue, i cannot reproduce
2014-02-25 21:50:55 renoirb: Julee, i saw the issue e-mail. Working into it
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2014-02-26 19:49:13 shepazu: julee, renoirb should still look into it
2014-02-26 19:49:28 renoirb: Hi.
2014-02-26 19:49:33 renoirb: Ok, doing it now
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2014-02-26 20:11:25 julee: regardless of whether I'm logged in or not.
2014-02-26 20:11:30 julee: Filed a bug: http://project.webplatform.org/infrastructure/issues/INFR-67
2014-02-26 20:11:45 renoirb: Oh, ok. Thanks
2014-02-26 20:11:51 renoirb: Its in the test wiki though.
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2014-02-26 20:13:38 eliezerb: renoirb: http://static.webplatform.org/t/public/4/4b/wplogo_transparent.png
2014-02-26 20:17:01 julee: renoirb : lol autocomplete gets me into so much trouble
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2014-02-26 21:06:07 renoirb: julee: I just looked up at it. We do not have backups for images on the test wiki
2014-02-26 21:06:20 renoirb: shepazu: said to me it wasn't a priority back then.
2014-02-26 21:06:31 renoirb: The images got lost in the migration.
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2014-02-26 21:06:49 renoirb: and the test wiki images weren't backed up
2014-02-26 21:07:02 shepazu: I hope nothing important was lost?
2014-02-26 21:07:28 renoirb: But with the new setup, BTW, the images are saved to DreamObject (via Swift).
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2014-02-26 21:14:54 julee: shepazu & renoirb : I hope nothing was lost as well, but I can't think of anything.
2014-02-26 21:15:18 julee: I think I was on test to compare imported JS pages with currently edited ones.
2014-02-26 21:15:23 julee: So no biggie on my part!
2014-02-26 21:15:36 julee: I ended up on the test logo page by accident.
2014-02-26 21:16:29 renoirb: yeah. I got a heart-ache when I realized this. But nothing in the configuration was taking care of the backups.
2014-02-26 21:16:45 renoirb: ... backups for test wiki images that is.
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2014-02-26 21:18:19 renoirb: I might eventually download somewhere and burn in CDs older data if we want this.
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2014-03-02 02:27:13 fozo: Hello, I just found WebPlatform. I'm here to brush up on my web development skills, as I haven't done any for a few years and am contemplating a new project. I noticed that the links on wiki/tutorials/web_programming_essentials seem to be duplicates of links in wiki/beginners. I want to point this out to avoid duplicating editing efforts. Any thoughts?
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2014-03-02 02:49:04 fozo: Looking at the source for this page (http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/the_web_standards_model), why is table 1 commented out?
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2014-03-02 03:54:33 renoirb: Hey fozo, this is not the most active moment of the week to pass by though :(
2014-03-02 03:54:54 renoirb: I think it would be a good idea that you send an email to the mailing list about it.
2014-03-02 03:56:55 renoirb: fozo: You are free to participate in the documentation and adjust what seems wrong.
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2014-03-02 03:57:58 renoirb: If you see a bigger issue with content you can create an issue in this content project http://project.webplatform.org/content
2014-03-02 04:11:06 fozo: I tried to uncomment the table but then the page fails from the beginning of the table onward. Fixing it is over my head at the moment. If I figure out what wrong later, I'll try to come back and give it another shot.
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2014-03-02 04:35:40 renoirb: yeah, bozo, i had the same issue.  ill keep a note to talk about it to my colleagues.
2014-03-02 04:36:02 renoirb: you can stick around, fozo, we are more active during the week :)
2014-03-02 04:36:14 renoirb: sorry for "bozo"
2014-03-02 04:36:20 renoirb: s/bozo/fozo/
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2014-03-02 04:50:31 fozo: lol, no problem
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2014-03-04 02:12:35 eliezerb: renoirb: Hey
2014-03-04 02:12:43 renoirb: Hey eliezerb
2014-03-04 02:12:49 eliezerb: renoirb: Take a look on this example: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/noFrames#Examples
2014-03-04 02:13:06 eliezerb: kinda funny
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2014-03-04 02:16:23 eliezerb: "You need Internet Explorer version 3.0"
2014-03-04 02:23:16 renoirb: Hahahaha
2014-03-04 02:23:35 eliezerb: Don't forget to put that on compatibility tables
2014-03-04 02:24:52 eliezerb: renoirb: Time to go! Have a good night
2014-03-04 02:29:10 renoirb: hahaha
2014-03-04 02:29:11 renoirb: IE?
2014-03-04 02:29:16 renoirb: IE3?
2014-03-04 02:48:20 FeatheredSerpent: O______________O
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2014-03-04 18:04:52 renoirb: meeting starting
2014-03-04 18:05:03 renoirb changed topic to: Community meeting
2014-03-04 18:05:38 renoirb: shepazu: Julee has posted a possible blog post for Fluent doc sprint
2014-03-04 18:05:41 shepazu: http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=932
2014-03-04 18:05:44 renoirb: ... posting on channel
2014-03-04 18:06:17 renoirb: Make sure you check public demo
2014-03-04 18:06:41 jensimmons: I don't have a WP account, so I can't read it ahead of time
2014-03-04 18:06:55 renoirb changed topic to: Helicopter
2014-03-04 18:06:57 renoirb: now it is
2014-03-04 18:07:35 jensimmons: http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
2014-03-04 18:08:06 morficus: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
2014-03-04 18:08:12 renoirb: ACTION: renoirb to help jensimmons to have an account on the WPD blog
2014-03-04 18:08:48 jensimmons: http://monosnap.com/image/buHnBZIIn86dxIHmQZPU6Y0e8XAN3s.png
2014-03-04 18:10:03 jensimmons: TODO: adjust colors for accessibility
2014-03-04 18:10:09 jensimmons: ^ jen todo
2014-03-04 18:10:18 renoirb changed topic to: Jen Simmons showing mockups
2014-03-04 18:14:54 renoirb: ACTION: Sync with Jen to have the static homepage into github.
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2014-03-04 18:15:32 jensimmons: https://github.com/jensimmons/wpddesigns
2014-03-04 18:16:04 jensimmons: https://github.com/jensimmons/wpddesigns/tree/master/design
2014-03-04 18:19:33 renoirb: ACTION: To make sure that production static homepage repo has appropriate code from jen simons, sync together
2014-03-04 18:19:48 renoirb: ACTION: renoirb to publish on a public repo the static homepage workspace
2014-03-04 18:20:37 julee: http://blog.webplatform.org/tag/doc-sprints/
2014-03-04 18:27:19 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki
2014-03-04 18:28:40 chrismills: Quit: Off to find beer and rock and roll...
2014-03-04 18:28:42 renoirb: shepazu: Make high priority on making it easy to contribute with mediawiki and static
2014-03-04 18:28:56 shepazu: Topic: Update on Compatibility Table Project
2014-03-04 18:29:19 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/tree/master/extensions/CompaTables
2014-03-04 18:32:08 julee: jensimmons ! Thank you sooo much for http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
2014-03-04 18:32:24 jensimmons: I'm glad you like it, julee !
2014-03-04 18:32:35 jensimmons: Improved colors — (yes? improved?) http://monosnap.com/image/ecPZMUpmoMVc8t6lLqUQkblUvWCtZu.png
2014-03-04 18:32:55 jensimmons: (yellow is always so hard)
2014-03-04 18:33:09 shepazu: Topic: DocSprints: FluentConf, EU
2014-03-04 18:33:42 julee: I like the first ones.
2014-03-04 18:33:49 renoirb: renoirb: I have some small progress on compat tables, using updated code from Aaron as base work  and merge with as less modification as possible form mdn-compat import [1]          [0] https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/tree/master/extensions/CompaTables
2014-03-04 18:34:01 renoirb: [1] https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer
2014-03-04 18:34:15 eliot_: squeeky dog toy in background!
2014-03-04 18:34:25 renoirb: ... one more week before showing something to the test wiki
2014-03-04 18:34:33 renoirb: (back on topic)
2014-03-04 18:34:52 renoirb: Julee: no steward volunteered to bring swags for Fluent
2014-03-04 18:35:00 renoirb: ... Eliot:  will bring t-shirts
2014-03-04 18:35:13 renoirb: ... Julee: I might be able to bring a creative-suite tokens
2014-03-04 18:35:25 renoirb: ... Shepazu: I will bring stickers
2014-03-04 18:35:48 renoirb: ... The only other thing, I will probably send out an event on eventbright
2014-03-04 18:36:06 eliezerb: Hey
2014-03-04 18:36:09 eliezerb: JavaScript Badges
2014-03-04 18:36:10 renoirb: jensimmons: I like your colours > https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer
2014-03-04 18:36:13 renoirb: oops
2014-03-04 18:36:36 renoirb: Julee: notes that next meeting might be affected
2014-03-04 18:36:53 shepazu: eliezerb, what about JS badges
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2014-03-04 18:37:23 eliezerb: Thanks julee
2014-03-04 18:37:34 renoirb: eliezerb: I like the open badges from mozilla, too :)
2014-03-04 18:38:00 renoirb: eliezerb, we are mostly talking about which badges we are to create, and how they'll look... before making 'em, electronically
2014-03-04 18:38:25 renoirb: are you in call eliezerb ?
2014-03-04 18:39:18 eliezerb: shepazu: Just to remind: Meeting with W3C Brazil folks on friday about a Doc Sprint in Brazil
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2014-03-04 18:39:56 shepazu: Topic: Web Platform Wednesday: JavaScrip
2014-03-04 18:39:56 renoirb: shepazu: I will meet up with people from brazil next week
2014-03-04 18:40:05 renoirb changed topic to: Web Platform Wednesday
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2014-03-04 18:40:19 renoirb: oh, i remove my previous
2014-03-04 18:40:26 renoirb: we are meeting with people on friday
2014-03-04 18:40:34 renoirb: s/shepazu: I will meet up with people from brazil next week//
2014-03-04 18:41:29 renoirb: shepazu: Julee, are we going to make a WPW this week?
2014-03-04 18:41:41 renoirb: Julee: I do not plan to do anything with that this week.
2014-03-04 18:42:01 eliot_: recruit at doc sprint for WPW?
2014-03-04 18:42:25 renoirb: shepazu: I think at the docsprint, next week, we should try to figure out the best way to continue WPW. Most effective way to keep the people coming on DocSprint, to continue show up on virtual WPW
2014-03-04 18:42:35 renoirb: jensimmons: Do we want to schedule a dinner next week
2014-03-04 18:45:02 renoirb: ... arrangement to meet up during conf.
2014-03-04 18:45:06 renoirb: [adjourned]
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2014-03-04 18:47:54 renoirb: Oh, did anybody seen this talk from Barrack Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pnVFLkUjM
2014-03-04 18:50:34 shepazu: renoirb, what's the context?
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2014-03-04 18:56:19 renoirb: shepazu: context is a joke after a meeting. Nothing relevant.
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2014-03-04 18:56:32 shepazu: renoirb, ok, got it
2014-03-04 18:56:43 renoirb: Barrack Obama saying: "Basically, I'm here to tell you that we are building Iron Man"
2014-03-04 19:15:56 jensimmons: shepazu: I think The Web Ahead melted your website. Getting 503 errors (on http://schepers.cc)
2014-03-04 19:18:42 shepazu: jensimmons, thanks for letting me know, not sure what I can do about it
2014-03-04 19:19:01 jensimmons: yeah, likely not much in the middle of a busy week... just wanted you to know
2014-03-04 19:19:37 shepazu: jensimmons, thanks
2014-03-04 19:25:42 shepazu: jensimmons, filed a report with my host
2014-03-04 19:26:14 jensimmons: it's a good sign, really. People are listening to the show, and like you enough that they totally want to go check out more about what you are up to
2014-03-04 19:26:46 jensimmons: they'll follow you on twitter, and when the site is back up, you can send a tweet telling people to go check it out then
2014-03-04 19:48:53 renoirb: shepazu: your site is back up
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2014-03-05 17:39:41 jensimmons: renoirb: I don't seem to have permission to push commits to static-pages. Am I a contributor with full rights?
2014-03-05 17:41:23 jensimmons: Can you add me?
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2014-03-05 17:47:37 jensimmons: renoirb: ?
2014-03-05 17:47:55 frozenice: jensimmons: try again :)
2014-03-05 17:47:59 jensimmons: thanks
2014-03-05 17:48:24 jensimmons: works. excellent. thanks.
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2014-03-05 18:02:38 jensimmons: Can anyone explain how the pages are being built in this repo? (static-pages) I see .html pages, static and flat... but then I see commented out PHP commands, and php temple files to be included. What I don't see is a index.php that's being used to generate index.html.
2014-03-05 18:03:29 jensimmons: Are we still using index.php to generate the index.html file? Is php just being run on someone's local machine? How is it setup?.... Or is all of this old moldy stuff that we should delete, and just use .html files.
2014-03-05 18:05:16 jensimmons: I should either modify what I'm doing to align with the rest of this, or delete the cruft and make a clean repo. I'm not sure which way to go, because it doesn't seem that all the pieces to support a custom php CMS are here.
2014-03-05 18:05:18 jensimmons: renoirb: ?
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2014-03-05 18:12:58 Garbee: jensimmons: I personally always just edited the HTML file directly.
2014-03-05 18:13:09 Garbee: Like when I added a chatroom iframe to the chat page.
2014-03-05 18:13:21 jensimmons: yeah? ok. Then I think the PHP files should go away.
2014-03-05 18:13:31 Garbee could have done it wrong.
2014-03-05 18:13:31 jensimmons: I'm working in a separate branch, so we can always roll back.
2014-03-05 18:13:39 jensimmons: I'm just a big fan of keeping things tidy.
2014-03-05 18:13:43 Garbee: I think we may need to keep the PHP around.
2014-03-05 18:13:48 Garbee: For when the header changes.
2014-03-05 18:13:51 Garbee: To recreate it.
2014-03-05 18:14:03 Garbee: So, it would be best to make the edit in both the HTML and PHP version.
2014-03-05 18:14:08 jensimmons: well, even if you 'did it wrong' — if it's not obvious how to 'do it right' and everyone is likely to 'do it wrong' then *that's* what's wrong
2014-03-05 18:14:14 jensimmons: needs to be fullproof
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2014-03-05 18:14:30 Garbee: Yea, we need a CONTRIBUTING.md file in the repo explaining how to contribute.
2014-03-05 18:14:41 jensimmons: there are php files for the 404 and 503 pages. I'll leave those in place (I did edit both to make them accessible)
2014-03-05 18:14:52 jensimmons: but the index.php file is missing
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2014-03-05 18:15:21 jensimmons: maybe someone else already had this conversation and removed the php file
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2014-03-05 18:58:34 Garbee: I wonder if we can add a filter to the beginners page. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
2014-03-05 18:58:44 Garbee: So when anyone tries to submit an edit with "Sublime Text" it gets rejected.
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2014-03-05 18:59:53 frozenice: I think we can, with the spam rules thingy :P
2014-03-05 19:02:03 Garbee: I'll look into it in a second. I just removed the mention yet again.
2014-03-05 19:02:20 frozenice: saw that :)
2014-03-05 19:02:20 Garbee: Someone clearly went into the comments for the section to say they added it back, so they should have read my comment not to.
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2014-03-05 19:11:42 Garbee: Although, one person has a good point in the comments.
2014-03-05 19:11:54 jensimmons: Nerds really love their Sublime text, eh?
2014-03-05 19:12:06 Garbee: We should highlight one of the editors (Brackets preferred) that is cross platform for people to start with.
2014-03-05 19:12:14 Garbee: We can also use that in screenshots so things are consistent.
2014-03-05 19:12:31 Garbee: Yea, I honestly love it as a GUI editor. (mostly using vim now)
2014-03-05 19:12:41 Garbee: But, it isn't free so it isn't cut out for that list.
2014-03-05 19:13:10 Garbee: People keep saying it is free because they just use it without buying a license because Jon is nice about it, but that doesn't mean it is free.
2014-03-05 19:13:19 frozenice: ST = fun :)
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2014-03-05 19:19:29 jensimmons: uh, no
2014-03-05 19:19:31 Garbee: Or should we make a custom template for our demonstration/education purposes.
2014-03-05 19:19:45 jensimmons: by "design" do you mean a visual branding skin?
2014-03-05 19:20:08 Garbee: Yea.
2014-03-05 19:20:30 Garbee thinks we need an Acme Company skin.
2014-03-05 19:20:50 jensimmons: perhaps
2014-03-05 19:21:22 jensimmons: don't call it 'design' however. Design is so much deeper than being able to implement a web page's visual look with CSS
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2014-03-05 19:21:47 jensimmons: a "beginners guide to web design", imo, would start with research and content strategy
2014-03-05 19:21:57 Garbee: Well, it isn't a tutorial for doing it.
2014-03-05 19:22:10 Garbee: it is for use *in* the beginners guide as the look we want people to achieve.
2014-03-05 19:22:13 jensimmons: ie: think through what is this website for? who is the audience?
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2014-03-05 19:22:45 Garbee: Yea, beginners guide to actual design is up to someone who is not me. :P I can't design if my life depended on it.
2014-03-05 19:22:47 jensimmons: but a tutorial on how to implement a design by using CSS, that's a cool tutorial to do, of sure. I'm just being a nerd about the use of the word 'design'
2014-03-05 19:23:06 Garbee: I'm glad. I don't really see much of a difference since I don't do it. :P
2014-03-05 19:23:12 jensimmons: examples of implemented visual designs — use CSS Zen Garden
2014-03-05 19:23:17 jensimmons: tons o stuff
2014-03-05 19:23:21 jensimmons: very educational
2014-03-05 19:23:42 jensimmons: great place for people to pick stuff apart and understand that the HTML is separate from the CSS
2014-03-05 19:23:45 jensimmons: (and js)
2014-03-05 19:23:51 Garbee: oh nice.
2014-03-05 19:23:53 jensimmons: http://www.csszengarden.com
2014-03-05 19:24:01 jensimmons: it's recently been reinvirogated
2014-03-05 19:24:13 jensimmons: *reinvigorated
2014-03-05 19:24:53 jensimmons: and it has a long history of being a canonical example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Zen_Garden
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2014-03-05 19:25:39 Garbee: I was thinking a while ago our demo site would be something like a recipe site. It has plenty of UL use-cases along with being able to show off thinking about the document outline well, among plenty of other good bonuses.
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2014-03-05 19:33:51 Garbee: jensimmons: Sadly looks like only the HTML and CSS are now available. I don't see where we can get the images that the templates use. :(
2014-03-05 19:34:23 Garbee: Oh well, I'll get some markup done and give some styling a go, then ask around and see if anyone can donate some time to make something better for us to teach.
2014-03-05 19:35:44 jensimmons: well, you can always just ran the images (via something like SiteSuck), or better, by contacting Dave Shea and asking. But — I don't know about grabbing any of the code and hosting it someplace else. I don't know that we have the rights to do that, and even if it were public domain or CC, that seems slimy to me.
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2014-03-05 19:36:37 jensimmons: I was thinking tutorials could be written using CSS Zen Garden designs as examples, where the tutorial points to the example on csszengarden.com, and then deconstructs and explains it
2014-03-05 19:36:38 jensimmons: or
2014-03-05 19:36:39 jensimmons: ...
2014-03-05 19:36:43 jensimmons: I'm not sure what you are writing
2014-03-05 19:37:09 Garbee: Rewriting this: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
2014-03-05 19:37:09 jensimmons: perhaps you can create a *new* Css Zen Garden design, submit it to their site, and use it as the tutorial example
2014-03-05 19:37:12 jensimmons: that might be best
2014-03-05 19:37:16 Garbee: Entry to how to code.
2014-03-05 19:37:41 jensimmons: then readers could go breakdown other examples on their own (which is how a lot of people who got into the biz in 1996-2002 learned)
2014-03-05 19:38:19 Garbee: Yea, examples are great to break down. That is how I learned mostly over the past few years.
2014-03-05 19:38:32 jensimmons: yeah, it might make sense to just create a new example from scratch. Make up a need, and then fulfill that need ?
2014-03-05 19:38:59 Garbee: Yup, recipe site.
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2014-03-05 19:39:48 Garbee: But, in the process of "doing our own" I'd like to make an open "Acme Company" template that others can use in their demos/tutorials if needed. Or as one of these "zen" designs (but with newer stuff in use.)
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2014-03-05 19:40:16 Garbee: Like we could make an "Acme Company Style Guide" which has the styles for buttons, forms, etc.
2014-03-05 19:40:42 Garbee: Using something like this: http://bjankord.github.io/Style-Guide-Boilerplate/
2014-03-05 19:41:13 Garbee: That way the look is uniform within the template. But other people wanting to use it (since like me we can't design) it is open and easy.
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2014-03-06 18:24:48 developerjustin: anyone around who could answer an SVG question?
2014-03-06 18:25:20 shepazu: developerjustin, I could try
2014-03-06 18:26:03 developerjustin: I have an SVG logo that displays fine in its own browser tab but breaks when embedded as img in html
2014-03-06 18:26:03 developerjustin: http://visitwv-wp.digitalrelativity.me/wp-content/themes/visitwv/img/visitwv_logo.svg
2014-03-06 18:26:33 developerjustin: I exported it from Illustrator the same way I have others in the past with no problems
2014-03-06 18:26:37 developerjustin: just something about it that chrome doesn't like
2014-03-06 18:27:23 shepazu: developerjustin, you have a URL for where it's broken?
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2014-03-06 18:27:40 developerjustin: http://visitwv-wp.digitalrelativity.me/
2014-03-06 18:27:48 developerjustin: just started on it about two hours ago
2014-03-06 18:27:54 developerjustin: but the logo should appear above the purple nav
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2014-03-06 18:30:33 shepazu: developerjustin, looking
2014-03-06 18:30:45 developerjustin: shepazu thanks, man
2014-03-06 18:30:51 developerjustin: shepazu I appreciate it
2014-03-06 18:32:28 shepazu: developerjustin, while I'm trying to figure out this problem (it wasn't one of the obvious things), there's a couple things you could do to your SVG file to improve it
2014-03-06 18:32:56 shepazu: 1) get rid of all the crap above the <svg> root
2014-03-06 18:33:21 shepazu: 2) make the SVG scalable
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2014-03-06 18:33:49 shepazu: so, change  x="0px" y="0px" width="200px" height="100px" viewBox="0 0 200 100"
2014-03-06 18:33:51 shepazu: to
2014-03-06 18:34:09 shepazu:  width="100%" height="100%" viewBox="0 0 200 100"
2014-03-06 18:34:43 developerjustin: ok awesome
2014-03-06 18:34:45 shepazu: 3) add a title to the SVG, to make it accessible
2014-03-06 18:34:45 developerjustin: one sec
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2014-03-06 18:35:35 shepazu: <svg …> <title>Visit Southern West Virginia (logo)</title> ...
2014-03-06 18:36:59 developerjustin: got it
2014-03-06 18:37:05 developerjustin: all three in
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2014-03-06 18:39:35 shepazu: developerjustin, http://planetsvg.com/tools/mime.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvisitwv-wp.digitalrelativity.me%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fvisitwv%2Fimg%2Fvisitwv_logo.svg
2014-03-06 18:39:59 developerjustin: ah
2014-03-06 18:40:00 shepazu: might be your MIME Type
2014-03-06 18:40:21 shepazu: I just wrote a local HTML test file, and it renders in Chrome fine
2014-03-06 18:40:37 shepazu: with your SVG file
2014-03-06 18:40:45 shepazu: so, it's something with your server config
2014-03-06 18:41:22 shepazu: I wondered if it might be a CSP thing, but it's all on the same subdomain, so it couldnt' be that
2014-03-06 18:41:25 developerjustin: shepazu, ok cool. I changed the type in the .htaccess and it's still not appearing but I can at least run it by our server guy now
2014-03-06 18:41:39 shepazu: developerjustin, maybe caching?
2014-03-06 18:42:39 FeatheredSerpent hopes developerjustin is testing in privacy/incognito.
2014-03-06 18:42:55 shepazu: developerjustin, just did a hard refresh on your site, working now
2014-03-06 18:42:55 FeatheredSerpent: Webbrowser privacy feature.
2014-03-06 18:43:14 shepazu: so, it was probably your local cache after you made the change
2014-03-06 18:43:20 developerjustin: shepazu, bingo! That was it. local cache was hanging onto it
2014-03-06 18:43:26 shepazu: yay!
2014-03-06 18:43:31 developerjustin: this is why I love IRC!
2014-03-06 18:43:42 shepazu: :D
2014-03-06 18:43:49 shepazu: glad I could help :)
2014-03-06 18:44:27 shepazu: yeah, banging your head against a wall for 2 hours, vs. finding a solution in 15 minutes from a conversation
2014-03-06 18:44:38 developerjustin: shepazu ha, definitely
2014-03-06 18:44:44 developerjustin: thanks, guys!
2014-03-06 18:44:55 shepazu: developerjustin, don't feel bad, that problem has bitten many people
2014-03-06 18:45:13 developerjustin: shepazu and now I know to check for it lol
2014-03-06 18:45:19 FeatheredSerpent: developerjustin, you might want to change the search box. It kinda moves around when clicking on it
2014-03-06 18:45:39 FeatheredSerpent: I disable caching and always work using chrome incognito.
2014-03-06 18:46:05 shepazu: developerjustin, I'll move that MIME utility to WebPlatform.org, and write up a FAQ about this and related issues there, so you've helped me, too :)
2014-03-06 18:47:00 developerjustin: FeatheredSerpent, oh yeah. Major changes yet to come. This was about 100 minutes in lol. I just got hung up on the logo. Thanks for the tip on incognito.
2014-03-06 18:47:16 developerjustin: shepazu woo!
2014-03-06 18:52:31 FeatheredSerpent thinks developerjustin might want to give this a try while on the subject about .htaccess: http://www.validatethis.co.uk/news/fix-bad-value-x-ua-compatible-once-and-for-all/
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2014-03-06 18:56:21 developerjustin: FeatheredSerpent thanks! Added the PHP conditions
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2014-03-07 08:01:16 khandewale: Hi, this is Khandewale here from Mumbai, India
2014-03-07 08:01:27 khandewale: I have recently joined WPD.
2014-03-07 08:01:44 khandewale: I was browsing through http://project.webplatform.org/
2014-03-07 08:01:58 khandewale: and found msdn-js project interesting
2014-03-07 08:02:31 khandewale: Can I contribute?
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2014-03-07 12:15:01 aman: Hi
2014-03-07 12:15:19 aman is now known as Guest22462
2014-03-07 12:15:24 Guest22462: anyone online
2014-03-07 12:15:31 Guest22462: i want help
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2014-03-07 12:15:45 Guest22462: hello
2014-03-07 12:15:50 Guest22462: can you help me
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2014-03-07 12:16:23 Guest22462: anyone help me
2014-03-07 12:17:19 eliezerb: hey Guest22462 !
2014-03-07 12:17:30 eliezerb: How can we help you?
2014-03-07 12:19:10 Guest22462: i want to know what is webplatform
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2014-03-07 12:24:29 Garbee: Guest22462: Webplatform as in our documentation site or as in *the* web platform?
2014-03-07 12:25:52 Guest22462: ok
2014-03-07 12:26:06 Guest22462: so can anyone train me to learn html and css
2014-03-07 12:26:36 Garbee: You would want to start off here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
2014-03-07 12:26:52 Garbee: That is a guide to getting a basic understanding of the web and how to build for it.
2014-03-07 12:27:06 Guest22462: k
2014-03-07 12:27:07 Garbee: (I'm actually currently working on redoing the entire thing.)
2014-03-07 12:27:14 Garbee: But, what is there is still a good starter point.
2014-03-07 12:28:08 Garbee: So, go through that, and if you have any questions about what is going on just ask. Pretty much anyone paying attention should be able to help with HTML/CSS for the most part.
2014-03-07 12:30:57 Guest22462: hey i want to learn html/css
2014-03-07 12:48:45 Guest22462: hello?
2014-03-07 12:49:43 eliezerb: Guest22462: You can start here -> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/the_basics_of_html
2014-03-07 12:50:07 eliezerb: Guest22462: Let us know if you are having some problems :)
2014-03-07 12:50:09 Guest22462: i want someone to teach me
2014-03-07 12:50:28 Guest22462: please
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2014-03-07 18:04:11 Garbee: eliezerb: yea, if they don't want to put forth the effort to read what they are pointed to, they obviously aren't worth putting time into.
2014-03-07 18:04:26 Garbee: Something I've learned after *a lot* of hand holding.
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2014-03-10 00:05:57 eliezerb: New comment system is AMAZING!
2014-03-10 00:06:18 eliezerb: Great work guys!
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2014-03-10 03:12:33 renoirb: Hey wilmoore glad to have you here
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2014-03-10 03:12:52 renoirb: Hey ptressel
2014-03-10 03:13:05 ptressel: Hi!
2014-03-10 03:13:16 wilmoore: renoirb: thanks :)
2014-03-10 03:13:33 ptressel: So, what do you think about that trick using Google Custom Search?
2014-03-10 03:13:58 renoirb: I think you might remember me, wilmoore, you came to talk at ConFoo last year.  You met one of my former employees there
2014-03-10 03:14:16 wilmoore: renoirb: yes, I thought your name was familiar.
2014-03-10 03:14:31 renoirb: Uhm, ptressel, can you remind me of that thread?
2014-03-10 03:14:51 ptressel: Let me go find the link -- it was a comment on github.
2014-03-10 03:14:53 renoirb: I enjoyed very much your talk about Liquibase and database versioning tools
2014-03-10 03:15:06 renoirb: oh, ptressel, that!
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2014-03-10 03:15:10 ptressel: :D
2014-03-10 03:15:17 wilmoore: renoirb: thanks; yeah, it was fun to give that talk.
2014-03-10 03:15:19 renoirb: .. wpdbot? Is that *my* bot?
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2014-03-10 03:15:27 ptressel: Uh oh...
2014-03-10 03:15:35 renoirb: oh, no mine is wp-logger :)
2014-03-10 03:15:38 ptressel: Is that the logger?
2014-03-10 03:15:40 ptressel: Ok
2014-03-10 03:16:04 renoirb: Are you still giving talks wilmoore ?
2014-03-10 03:16:58 wilmoore: renoirb: I have only been giving internal team tech-talks lately -- I will probably do a talk at a local group next month. No conferences ATM.
2014-03-10 03:17:04 renoirb: Hey ptressel, meet wilmoore, he's from Colorado.  I met him f2f at a local conference, here in Montreal.  He's been lying around here for all that time and I wasn't sure it was that guy I met :)
2014-03-10 03:17:15 ptressel: Hi, wilmoore!
2014-03-10 03:17:30 wilmoore: ptressel: hi there!
2014-03-10 03:17:34 ptressel goes to look up liquibase...
2014-03-10 03:17:38 renoirb: wilmoore, meet ptressel, he's from europe (i think)
2014-03-10 03:17:58 wilmoore: ptressel: good to meet you.
2014-03-10 03:18:38 ptressel: I used to work on backup tools, including backup for Oracle Server, so definitely interested in database versioning.
2014-03-10 03:19:21 wilmoore: ptressel: cool. I haven't done much in that area since then. I've been doing a lot of JavaScript, HTML5, CSS over the last year.
2014-03-10 03:19:22 renoirb: ptressel and me are looking to improve a scraper to get content from MDN.
2014-03-10 03:19:34 ptressel: Aha!
2014-03-10 03:20:25 ptressel: My backup work was likewise long ago...it was at DEC, and DEC ceased to exist in 1998...
2014-03-10 03:20:45 renoirb: no way, you worked at DEC?
2014-03-10 03:20:59 ptressel: :)
2014-03-10 03:21:04 ptressel: Best company evah.
2014-03-10 03:21:13 wilmoore: ptressel: cool...
2014-03-10 03:21:16 renoirb: Precursors... who stagnated :(
2014-03-10 03:21:25 renoirb: like Polaroid
2014-03-10 03:21:33 ptressel: How many companies that went out of business that long ago still have active "alumni" groups?
2014-03-10 03:21:48 ptressel: We're planning a reunion As We Speak...
2014-03-10 03:21:52 renoirb: nice!
2014-03-10 03:22:34 renoirb: Are you following the public-webplatform mailing list wilmoore ?
2014-03-10 03:23:08 wilmoore: renoirb: not really...but I have been meaning to get myself caught up there.
2014-03-10 03:24:02 wilmoore: renoirb: I'd love to start helping out.
2014-03-10 03:24:11 ptressel: \o/
2014-03-10 03:25:14 renoirb: I can debrief you if you want. Since we met, I got this job at W3C to work full time on WebPlatform Docs. http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/08/hi-my-name-s-renoir-ill-be-your-devops-for-the-web-platform/
2014-03-10 03:25:33 renoirb:  /o/
2014-03-10 03:25:42 ptressel: \o\
2014-03-10 03:25:48 renoirb: ~o~
2014-03-10 03:25:49 wilmoore: renoirb: nice!
2014-03-10 03:26:25 renoirb: If you want/can help, just ping me.
2014-03-10 03:26:54 renoirb: At the moment, we had frozenice (he's probably sleeping in his hometown in Germany) who built this amazing scraper in NodeJS.
2014-03-10 03:27:36 ptressel: :)
2014-03-10 03:27:38 renoirb: And at the moment, ptressel and me are mulling over a limitation from kuma... the engine of MDN
2014-03-10 03:27:39 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
2014-03-10 03:28:03 ptressel: Thanks -- I was just hunting up the link to the repo.
2014-03-10 03:28:07 renoirb: I am working on other projects at the moment, but that bug would unblock more stats.
2014-03-10 03:28:26 wilmoore: renoirb: cool...I'll have a look at that project and see if I can be of assistance.
2014-03-10 03:28:50 renoirb: I cannot work on that issue directly, but i'm using the mdn-compat-importer.
2014-03-10 03:29:10 ptressel: The question is, how do we act like a real crawler, and not over-crawl MDN.
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2014-03-10 03:29:41 renoirb: Soon, we will merge data from MDN with the data from caniuse, and others.  Eventually to use data from real tests from the W3C.
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2014-03-10 03:30:20 renoirb: Yeah, that's a concern ptressel. We have a cache so running the code doesn't crawl again. But we should be able to add pages and add to the cache.
2014-03-10 03:30:28 ptressel: A real crawler would (for instance) query page last changed time, and not request the page unless changed.
2014-03-10 03:30:41 ptressel: But cached pages could change.
2014-03-10 03:31:05 renoirb: Thanks wilmoore :)
2014-03-10 03:31:17 ptressel: We also are not sure all pages with compatibility tables are in the cache.
2014-03-10 03:31:41 ptressel: Heh, the liquibase site has a Google Custom Search box.
2014-03-10 03:32:02 renoirb: Hey ptressel, are you in europe? Or I misremembered?
2014-03-10 03:32:20 ptressel: I'm in Seattle, Washington, USA
2014-03-10 03:33:02 wilmoore: ptressel: ah...Seattle. I'm in Denver. The SuperBowl still stings a bit :(
2014-03-10 03:33:13 ptressel: Ha!
2014-03-10 03:35:03 renoirb: oh!
2014-03-10 03:35:15 ptressel: [Insert appropriate smileys for 12th man dance]
2014-03-10 03:35:35 renoirb: I'm so not following sports :/
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2014-03-10 03:35:47 renoirb: Hey mdel
2014-03-10 03:35:55 wilmoore: ptressel: haha!
2014-03-10 03:35:57 ptressel: I don't either really, but this was a special case. ;-)
2014-03-10 03:35:59 mdel: hey!
2014-03-10 03:36:24 renoirb: Only good reason to watch sports for me is to drink beer.
2014-03-10 03:36:28 wilmoore: ptressel: yes, special indeed. Sucks to be on this side of it, but it's all good :)
2014-03-10 03:36:39 wilmoore: renoirb: that's a good reason too :)
2014-03-10 03:36:44 ptressel: :D
2014-03-10 03:36:55 renoirb: Love strong beers.
2014-03-10 03:36:59 ptressel: I tend to cheer for both sides...gets me in trouble sometimes.
2014-03-10 03:37:24 renoirb: hahaha: Cheering for both sides!
2014-03-10 03:37:27 wilmoore: ptressel: haha, yeah, I can imagine.
2014-03-10 03:37:39 ptressel: Well, if someone makes a good play...
2014-03-10 03:37:50 renoirb: A good play is a good play indeed!
2014-03-10 03:38:47 ptressel: So...back on that Google Custom Search thing...
2014-03-10 03:40:32 ptressel: Is not hitting MDN too hard the biggest concern?
2014-03-10 03:40:52 ptressel: Or is the top issue that we might not have all compat tables?
2014-03-10 03:41:07 ptressel: Or is it fetching fresh copies of changed pages?
2014-03-10 03:41:28 renoirb: we want to get as much data as possible. The scraper is doing a good job at finding compat table and serializing it
2014-03-10 03:41:57 renoirb: no. its not meant to be used on a regular basis.
2014-03-10 03:42:20 renoirb: We'll eventually phase out the scraper and build compat table from tests data
2014-03-10 03:42:57 wilmoore: renoirb: from test data? sounds interesting!
2014-03-10 03:43:10 renoirb: E.g. from http://testthewebforward.org/ and/or http://w3c-test.org/
2014-03-10 03:43:20 ptressel: Beat me to that url...
2014-03-10 03:43:26 renoirb: Hell yeah wilmoore that's why I think you might like it
2014-03-10 03:43:48 wilmoore: renoirb: kinda loving it so far...great looking site.
2014-03-10 03:43:49 ptressel: Speaking of...I haven't heard an update on where new JS tests should go.
2014-03-10 03:43:57 renoirb: Ambition is that we feed actual browser feature support for all browsers.
2014-03-10 03:44:44 renoirb: I cannot tell, look at the 'public-testtwf' ML, i think.
2014-03-10 03:45:10 renoirb: We had tobie_ who worked hard on this in the last year
2014-03-10 03:46:03 ptressel: At the last hackathon, there still wasn't a decision on what directory structure to use for the new tests.
2014-03-10 03:46:10 ptressel: Was he at the Seattle hackathon?
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2014-03-10 03:46:24 renoirb: wilmoore, in case you haven't found the github repo about that: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests
2014-03-10 03:46:49 wilmoore: renoirb: thanks.
2014-03-10 03:47:38 renoirb: I'm not an expert on the topic though, wilmoore, you should ask my boss shepazu (he doesn't like me calling that)
2014-03-10 03:48:06 wilmoore: renoirb: haha
2014-03-10 03:48:17 shepazu: ask me what?
2014-03-10 03:49:08 renoirb: ohai!
2014-03-10 03:49:30 ptressel: where the js tests should go? --or-- what's the main issue for the compatibility importer?
2014-03-10 03:49:31 renoirb: Hey, meet wilmoore, he likes the testthewebforward project and the compat tables.
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2014-03-10 03:50:00 renoirb: wait, ptressel, the js tests you were talking about are about testing the mdn-compat-importer?
2014-03-10 03:50:12 ptressel: No, that was TTWF
2014-03-10 03:50:17 renoirb: ok.
2014-03-10 03:50:21 ptressel: I was writing floating point testrs
2014-03-10 03:50:45 wilmoore: hi shepazu
2014-03-10 03:51:30 shepazu: hi, wilmoore
2014-03-10 03:51:33 renoirb: The compat importer is a workbench to import, convert, and eventually merge data from various sources.
2014-03-10 03:51:56 renoirb: ptressel: ^ (but you know that)
2014-03-10 03:51:57 shepazu: renoirb, I wonder if we could just ask the MDN folks for a data dump? that might be easier...
2014-03-10 03:52:15 ptressel: And I'm still trying to tease out what the actual issue is in https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3 if it's not that we might be missing some pages.
2014-03-10 03:52:21 renoirb: Let's just ask them during the Stewards telcon
2014-03-10 03:52:25 renoirb: shepazu: ^
2014-03-10 03:52:30 ptressel: Yep, and then scrape those.
2014-03-10 03:52:36 renoirb: I thought it was out of question
2014-03-10 03:52:47 shepazu: renoirb, I'll ask janet
2014-03-10 03:52:51 ptressel: So...Google Custom Search...?
2014-03-10 03:52:56 shepazu: I don't think it's out of the question
2014-03-10 03:53:10 shepazu: brb
2014-03-10 03:53:13 renoirb: the actual issue in #3 ptressel is that kuma has a limitation in its pager, making our data incomplete
2014-03-10 03:53:27 ptressel: kuma is...?
2014-03-10 03:53:28 renoirb: if we could get a data dump from them. It would make it irrelevant.
2014-03-10 03:53:41 renoirb: kuma is the name of the software running developer.mozilla.org
2014-03-10 03:53:57 renoirb: https://github.com/mozilla/kuma ^
2014-03-10 03:54:09 ptressel: Aha!
2014-03-10 03:54:16 ptressel: Ok. So it is completeness.
2014-03-10 03:54:27 ptressel: So Google Custom Search is a way to avoid the tag feed.
2014-03-10 03:55:02 ptressel: Another way (sorry, but have to mention this for completeness) is to do an actual crawl.
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2014-03-10 03:56:03 renoirb: The ideal would be you crawl once, it takes some time. Then with that data you can work on conversion.
2014-03-10 03:56:07 ptressel: The relevant pages are linked explicitly, not just via (say) a text search box.
2014-03-10 03:56:17 renoirb: yeah, explicitly.
2014-03-10 03:56:38 ptressel: Yes, and can do all the polite things like crawling slowly, querying page changed, etc.
2014-03-10 03:56:56 ptressel: (I also used to work on web crawl scheduling...)
2014-03-10 03:57:19 ptressel: ( == deciding which pages to crawl, and at what frequency)
2014-03-10 03:57:45 renoirb: I dont have that kind of experience.
2014-03-10 03:58:38 ptressel: Could add those to mdn-compat-importer
2014-03-10 03:59:15 ptressel: It would be an alternative to the tag request. And it would not have to fetch any page that was already cached, where the cache had the most recent version.
2014-03-10 03:59:31 ptressel: That would not use the Google Custom Search trick...
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2014-03-10 04:00:27 ptressel: There's at least one high-performance open-source crawler, nutch -- we could look at their procedure for not over-crawling and do the same.
2014-03-10 04:00:44 ptressel: Oh, and I should saw, we would also obey robots.txt
2014-03-10 04:01:17 ptressel: brb...
2014-03-10 04:03:22 renoirb: Yeah, that makes sense ptressel
2014-03-10 04:03:49 renoirb: But we are allowed to use the data from MDN anyway.
2014-03-10 04:06:57 wilmoore: Thanks renoirb and ptressel -- I'll continue looking around and figure out where I can help. off to get some sleep now :)
2014-03-10 04:07:04 shepazu: back
2014-03-10 04:07:26 renoirb: cool wilmoore, do not hesitate. If you want, you are welcome in the community meetings
2014-03-10 04:07:38 renoirb: or to stick on irc during them.
2014-03-10 04:08:00 renoirb: wb shepazu
2014-03-10 04:08:00 wilmoore: renoirb: great...I'll definitely poke my nose in there :)
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2014-03-10 04:08:12 shepazu: welcome, wilmoore :)
2014-03-10 04:08:18 wilmoore: shepazu: thanks :)
2014-03-10 04:08:55 renoirb: In case you dont know, we'll have a docsprint during Fluent
2014-03-10 04:09:12 renoirb: just dropping that in case, wilmoore, have a good rest
2014-03-10 04:09:59 renoirb: (I dont recall the details, I won't be there)
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2014-03-10 04:12:16 renoirb: lets see what happens ptressel with the request shepazu will make with MDN.
2014-03-10 04:12:29 renoirb: I'm going to sleep now.
2014-03-10 04:12:38 shepazu: nn
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2014-03-10 04:23:33 ptressel: Good night, renoirb!
2014-03-10 04:25:41 ptressel: Good night, wilmoore!
2014-03-10 04:40:13 ptressel: shepazu, maybe ask the MDN folks if we could get a dump of the *database* from which the pages are generated, rather than the generated pages.
2014-03-10 04:40:20 ptressel: Simpler for them...
2014-03-10 04:40:31 shepazu: ptressel, yup
2014-03-10 04:40:31 ptressel: Then we can just do database queries.
2014-03-10 04:40:52 ptressel: IIRC they said the info was in a database.
2014-03-10 04:40:53 shepazu: ptressel, I suspect that the markup is actually stored in the db
2014-03-10 04:41:07 shepazu: but either way
2014-03-10 04:41:07 ptressel: I mean, it's not static pages.
2014-03-10 04:41:29 ptressel: Could be, as not all the tables are uniform.
2014-03-10 04:42:06 ptressel: It's just likely a *lot* easier for them to dump the db...
2014-03-10 04:42:28 ptressel: And we can read the kuma model / schema.
2014-03-10 04:43:22 shepazu: yup
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2014-03-10 15:23:49 renoirb: !
2014-03-10 15:24:08 SekhmetDesign: hello renoirb :D
2014-03-10 15:25:28 renoirb: So, how many coffees this morning?
2014-03-10 15:25:52 SekhmetDesign: right now...only 2  huge cups :P
2014-03-10 15:26:08 renoirb: I should make another one myself
2014-03-10 15:26:10 renoirb: i'm at 1
2014-03-10 15:26:29 SekhmetDesign: I still have a big pot of coffee waiting to be emptied
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2014-03-10 15:28:48 renoirb: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RenoirBoulanger/posts/Fc8JUKzVrbL sekhmetdesig ^
2014-03-10 15:29:26 SekhmetDesign: heheh
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2014-03-10 16:33:49 Garbee: Because it has been instant lately and I recall it taking a minute or two a few months ago.
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2014-03-10 17:16:57 frozenice: Garbee: nope, still polling every 30 sec and announcing 1 line per 5 sec
2014-03-10 17:18:17 Garbee: hm, then maybe it is just the request is in and processed and my refresh is just taking a while.
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2014-03-11 16:58:16 jensimmons: hiya!
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2014-03-11 17:07:12 carlos__: is there a way to generate a JSON array from the doc site's CSS content?
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2014-03-11 17:19:12 eliezerb: hey carlos__
2014-03-11 17:20:35 eliezerb: carlos__: Like this -> http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=css/properties/box-shadow&format=json
2014-03-11 17:22:00 carlos__: I'm generating D3 visualizations, need mostly URL for the web platform docs
2014-03-11 17:22:14 eliezerb: carlos__: This example came from the standard MediaWiki API used to integrate Webplatform Docs and Brackets http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/05/web-platform-docs-in-brackets/
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2014-03-11 17:23:31 eliezerb: carlos__: You need this data as a JSON -> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties ?
2014-03-11 17:24:16 carlos__: yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for
2014-03-11 17:25:56 eliezerb: carlos__: Maybe something like http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=css/properties&format=json
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2014-03-11 17:30:47 Garbee: carlos__: Yea you can.
2014-03-11 17:30:50 Garbee: parse > links > *
2014-03-11 17:30:52 Garbee: That is the path.
2014-03-11 17:31:22 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/  ---prepend this to what you recieve in the JSON.
2014-03-11 17:31:35 Garbee: That would give you the full URI to the content in question.
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2014-03-11 17:35:10 eliezerb: Garbee: hey!
2014-03-11 17:35:21 eliezerb: Garbee: Something like this looks cool: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?format=json&title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category%3ACSS+Properties]]&p=format=json
2014-03-11 17:35:51 Garbee: oh wow, way better.
2014-03-11 17:35:53 eliezerb: oops
2014-03-11 17:35:54 eliezerb: docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category%3ACSS+Properties]]&p=format=json
2014-03-11 17:35:58 eliezerb: arg
2014-03-11 17:36:13 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category%3ACSS+Properties]]&p=format=json
2014-03-11 17:36:33 eliezerb: carlos__: Is this what you were looking for?
2014-03-11 17:36:42 carlos__: checking it now
2014-03-11 17:38:12 carlos__: this is perfect... thanks :D
2014-03-11 17:39:35 eliezerb: >D
2014-03-11 17:40:14 frozenice: carlos__: if you want to dig deeper... http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:API :)
2014-03-11 17:41:02 carlos__: thanks
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2014-03-11 17:47:38 eliezerb: hey frozenice!
2014-03-11 17:47:45 eliezerb: It's been a long time!
2014-03-11 17:47:50 frozenice: heya eliezerb! how's life? :)
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2014-03-11 17:48:55 eliezerb: frozenice: Doing great! Last year at college, could not be greater! About you?
2014-03-11 17:49:38 frozenice: cool :) I've been pretty bus @work and @home
2014-03-11 17:49:42 frozenice: *busy
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2014-03-11 17:56:54 eliezerb: frozenice: I can imagine
2014-03-11 18:01:53 king4life: Hi guys
2014-03-11 18:02:09 king4life: I just signed up for a task on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday
2014-03-11 18:02:19 king4life: Hope that's OK :)
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2014-03-11 18:04:36 eliezerb: king4life: hey! Welcome!
2014-03-11 18:05:07 king4life: Thank you
2014-03-11 18:05:09 frozenice: we are grateful forEach contribution ;)
2014-03-11 18:05:32 eliezerb: lol
2014-03-11 18:05:33 king4life: I will try to map out some useful information.
2014-03-11 18:05:53 king4life: <blink>map</blink>
2014-03-11 18:05:58 eliezerb: king4life: Do you have preference for some of that properties?
2014-03-11 18:06:01 frozenice: :)
2014-03-11 18:06:11 Garbee: frozenice: haha nice one. Very subtle.
2014-03-11 18:06:12 Garbee: ;)
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2014-03-11 18:07:07 king4life: I will try to hit all the properties (?)
2014-03-11 18:07:35 eliezerb: king4life: You can start with the one that is your favorite
2014-03-11 18:07:40 king4life: OK
2014-03-11 18:07:42 eliezerb: And one by one strike all them
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2014-03-11 18:47:57 frozenice: renoirb: does our h instance log errors to anywhere?
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2014-03-11 18:49:41 renoirb: hey frozenice
2014-03-11 18:49:48 renoirb: I searched and did not find.
2014-03-11 18:49:59 renoirb: Its not all finished
2014-03-11 18:50:28 renoirb: I mean, a tweak or two has to be pushed soon enough and i'll ask them about logging
2014-03-11 18:50:34 renoirb: that's in my todo
2014-03-11 18:50:39 frozenice: do you think it's hard to setup logging? I wanted to trace why it doesn't send the registration mails
2014-03-11 18:52:29 frozenice: I don't receive mine either, there is also a 500 on registration, but without logs I'm stuck :(
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2014-03-11 18:58:57 renoirb: oh, ok frozenice
2014-03-11 18:59:00 renoirb: let me check
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2014-03-11 19:15:39 renoirb: frozenice: server is called notes1
2014-03-11 19:16:06 frozenice: yeah I already searched there
2014-03-11 19:16:20 renoirb: ok, its in setup.py I think
2014-03-11 19:16:26 renoirb: i'm not used much with python
2014-03-11 19:17:01 renoirb: not.
2014-03-11 19:17:02 renoirb: wait
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2014-03-11 19:18:57 renoirb: I think its around here http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/narr/logging.html
2014-03-11 19:19:48 renoirb: frozenice ^
2014-03-11 19:19:49 frozenice: yeah logger_root's handler is set to console in h.ini
2014-03-11 19:20:04 renoirb: h.ini is the config file, triggered by /etc/init/hypothesis.conf
2014-03-11 19:20:08 renoirb: that's how i start it.
2014-03-11 19:23:09 frozenice: maybe we should just pipe stdout to a file or something
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2014-03-11 19:26:15 renoirb: yeah, that's not bad.
2014-03-11 19:26:15 frozenice: or just stderr, since logger_h seems to write to stderr
2014-03-11 19:26:19 renoirb: letme do that
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2014-03-11 19:30:45 renoirb: you can tail at /var/log/hypothesis frozenice
2014-03-11 19:31:06 renoirb: I started the service manually   with ... > /var/log/hypothesis 2>&1
2014-03-11 19:31:09 frozenice: thx :)
2014-03-11 19:31:48 renoirb: I also augmented the logging level. hopefully it was at the right place. Worse case, it'll be overridden.
2014-03-11 19:32:04 frozenice: yay stacktrace
2014-03-11 19:34:16 frozenice: something to do with sessions... seems likely, as I also can't stay logged in
2014-03-11 19:36:12 frozenice: renoirb: do you stay logged in after you reload notes.*?
2014-03-11 19:36:21 renoirb: no, its a screen window
2014-03-11 19:36:25 renoirb: euh. oh! that
2014-03-11 19:36:30 frozenice: :)
2014-03-11 19:36:31 renoirb: you have to login to each domain
2014-03-11 19:36:39 renoirb: because its cross-site, right
2014-03-11 19:36:48 renoirb: they might have something in the works for that though.
2014-03-11 19:36:52 renoirb: they are searching, btw :)
2014-03-11 19:36:56 frozenice: yeah I already tried all domains
2014-03-11 19:36:59 frozenice: just plain http://notes.webplatform.org/
2014-03-11 19:37:00 renoirb: https://hypothes.is/jobs/
2014-03-11 19:37:54 renoirb: I can login, and I got the mail... i'm waiting they tell me when to redeploy (and which tag). They know the issues
2014-03-11 19:38:53 frozenice: right, I also had some troubles connecting to the websocket streamer
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2014-03-11 19:44:31 frozenice: renoirb: do you maybe need to add something to nginx to allow websocket proxying to h?
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2014-03-11 19:47:26 frozenice: seems likely
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2014-03-11 19:55:09 frozenice: renoirb: wanna try adding those lines? http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/websocket.html
2014-03-11 19:56:33 frozenice: WS transport should also reduce the stress on the server, everyone connected is using XHR polling right now
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2014-03-11 20:06:37 renoirb: Homepage is deployed!!
2014-03-11 20:06:46 renoirb: jen's work is live
2014-03-11 20:06:51 frozenice: yay! :)
2014-03-11 20:12:21 renoirb: So, frozenice, you say that i should add line
2014-03-11 20:12:22 renoirb:     proxy_http_version 1.1;
2014-03-11 20:12:23 renoirb:     proxy_set_header Upgrade $http_upgrade;
2014-03-11 20:12:24 renoirb:     proxy_set_header Connection "upgrade";
2014-03-11 20:12:31 frozenice: I think so
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2014-03-11 20:24:27 Garbee: Wow, the new homepage is much better.
2014-03-11 20:24:47 Garbee: Maybe if people can learn to read it will reduce the number of "What is WPD?" questions I get.
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2014-03-11 20:42:23 frozenice: renoirb: any progress?
2014-03-11 20:49:50 renoirb: ok fro, let me check that
2014-03-11 20:50:53 renoirb: frozenice: done
2014-03-11 20:50:56 renoirb: try it now :/
2014-03-11 20:51:01 renoirb: sorry for the delay
2014-03-11 20:51:09 frozenice: np, let's see..
2014-03-11 20:51:27 renoirb: just that its 21:00
2014-03-11 20:51:31 renoirb: in your part of the world
2014-03-11 20:51:41 renoirb: ~
2014-03-11 20:51:41 frozenice: 21:51 even :)
2014-03-11 20:52:05 frozenice: Error during WebSocket handshake: 'Connection' header value is not 'Upgrade': keep-alive
2014-03-11 20:52:05 frozenice: hmm
2014-03-11 20:53:25 king4life: Whenever I see "WPD" I think "WordPerfect Document"
2014-03-11 20:53:31 frozenice: lol :P
2014-03-11 20:53:46 renoirb: hahaha, you are so right king4life
2014-03-11 20:54:42 renoirb: But I do not recall having keep alive
2014-03-11 20:54:44 renoirb: uhm. wait.
2014-03-11 20:55:03 renoirb: that's GUnicorn thing answering
2014-03-11 20:57:17 Garbee: We have unicorns in WPD?
2014-03-11 20:59:42 frozenice: of course!
2014-03-11 21:01:34 renoirb: those ones > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYZa-70u_M
2014-03-11 21:02:26 renoirb: love that song!
2014-03-11 21:05:44 renoirb: you knew that song Garbee ?
2014-03-11 21:06:12 Garbee: nope.
2014-03-11 21:06:14 Garbee: I do now.
2014-03-11 21:07:05 renoirb: and now frozenice
2014-03-11 21:07:12 renoirb: I just seen this here: http://thruflo.com/post/23226473852/websockets-varnish-nginx
2014-03-11 21:07:20 renoirb: same use case that we will use
2014-03-11 21:10:02 renoirb: frozenice, I asked the developer
2014-03-11 21:10:07 renoirb: one of, that is.
2014-03-11 21:10:12 renoirb: tilgovi
2014-03-11 21:11:28 renoirb: frozenice: how do you test?
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2014-03-11 21:28:05 frozenice: hmm, maybe we need a newer nginx version... 1.1.19 seems pretty old
2014-03-11 21:28:19 frozenice: hm, might be worth a try
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2014-03-11 22:16:26 king4life: I wonder why anyone would want to use forEach instead of map.
2014-03-11 22:17:03 king4life: I suppose it could be more efficient if you aren't using the return value of map.
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2014-03-11 22:25:49 king4life: The language is Javascript
2014-03-11 22:26:01 king4life: or ECMAscript as the case may be.
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2014-03-11 22:26:26 king4life: Why, is that, as far as I can tell, the functionality of forEach is a strict subset of map.
2014-03-11 22:26:50 king4life: So, why would you add forEach to the language when you have map?
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2014-03-11 22:42:23 glosoli: Since MDN states that forEach is invoked on "the Map object being traversed"
2014-03-11 22:44:31 king4life: glosoli: THat is an interesting distinction
2014-03-11 22:44:48 king4life: I should specify in my case, I am specifically comparing Array.map with Array.forEach
2014-03-11 22:45:31 glosoli: ah sorry :)
2014-03-11 22:45:53 king4life: Thanks for pointing out the Map object to me though.
2014-03-11 22:46:24 king4life: MDN says it is part of the Harmony EcmaScript 6 proposal.
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2014-03-11 22:46:49 king4life: Can anyone comment on the Web Platform strategy for documenting upcoming standards?
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2014-03-11 22:47:44 glosoli: Interesting, Array.prototype.map callback has more params
2014-03-11 22:48:03 glosoli: Or they are not specified in forEach who knows now, would like to see implementations :D
2014-03-11 22:49:57 king4life: To me it looks like the callback signatur is the same?
2014-03-11 22:50:07 king4life: (element_value, index, array)
2014-03-11 22:50:43 glosoli: king4life: yeah docs confused me a bit
2014-03-11 22:51:19 glosoli: king4life: ha I think I found difference, need to check in FF sec
2014-03-11 22:51:27 king4life: Nice :)
2014-03-11 22:54:40 glosoli: king4life: at least FF implementation of forEach returns nothing it does not create new object
2014-03-11 22:54:48 glosoli: And MDN states that too
2014-03-11 22:54:57 glosoli: "The forEach() method executes a provided function once per array element."
2014-03-11 22:55:04 glosoli: "The map() method creates a new array with the results of calling a provided function on every element in this array."
2014-03-11 22:55:55 king4life: glosoli: Right, very true. Array.map does more than Array.forEach
2014-03-11 22:56:15 king4life: But I think, any instance of Array.forEach could be replaced with Array.map
2014-03-11 22:56:19 king4life: and maintain the same behavior.
2014-03-11 22:56:49 glosoli: I wonder how it would relate to performance when iterating array of thousands of items
2014-03-11 22:56:52 glosoli: and doing some intensive does
2014-03-11 22:57:03 king4life: I could try it in Node right now :)
2014-03-11 22:57:15 glosoli: s/intensive does/intensive tasks
2014-03-11 22:57:42 king4life: Heh, I suppose if "ask" is a noun than so is "do".
2014-03-11 23:03:36 glosoli: king4life: Damn those two things are confusing :D
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2014-03-11 23:35:09 Garbee: king4life: On documenting upcomming standards... Could you be a bit more specific about the situation?
2014-03-11 23:35:59 Garbee: oh, and you add forEach to the language to make people who haves heads like mine not spin when switching languages.
2014-03-11 23:36:29 Garbee: There should be a basic set of things in every language, foreach is one of them. That is like asking why PHP has array_map and foreach functions.
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2014-03-12 00:50:05 king4life: Garbee: My point exactly... PHP's horrificly mismatched grab-bag of functions is why it's known as a "fractal of bad design"
2014-03-12 00:50:11 king4life: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
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2014-03-12 00:52:09 king4life: By "upcoming standards" I just mean, I have only seen ECMA 5.1 referenced on webplatform.org
2014-03-12 00:52:32 king4life: I wonder whether ECMA6/Harmony stuff should be on there, with some tag
2014-03-12 00:53:45 king4life: Also a makes sense that a for-each construct should be in the language, it just doesn't necessarily have to be the string "foreach"
2014-03-12 00:54:16 king4life: e.g. just type "map" and you get the same thing.
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2014-03-12 01:07:11 eliezerb: renoirb: Oh, already solved, thanks
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2014-03-12 17:43:55 frozenice: renoirb: maybe you should have deployed more servers for webat25 :D
2014-03-12 17:44:06 renoirb: hi
2014-03-12 17:44:09 renoirb: i know
2014-03-12 17:44:13 renoirb: working on it.
2014-03-12 17:44:38 renoirb: I have an alternate server in the works.
2014-03-12 17:44:56 frozenice: :) looks good though, once it loads
2014-03-12 17:45:51 renoirb: yeah.
2014-03-12 17:46:25 frozenice: YouTube is having some problems too, so you're not alone!
2014-03-12 17:47:32 renoirb: nice
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2014-03-13 20:08:04 jacobg: FYI - 79 responses so far :)
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2014-03-13 20:35:56 renoirb: Hi jacobg, what are you talking about?
2014-03-13 20:42:38 jacobg: renoirb: oops, wrong window.  sorry :)
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2014-03-13 20:46:25 renoirb: hahaha
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2014-03-18 17:05:16 jensimmons: Hey — is there no call today?
2014-03-18 17:05:24 jensimmons: I'm on the call by myself.
2014-03-18 17:05:41 renoirb: Hi
2014-03-18 17:05:44 renoirb: that's interresting.
2014-03-18 17:05:46 renoirb: coming in
2014-03-18 17:06:02 renoirb: julee, yt
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2014-03-18 17:14:17 renoirb: https://renoirboulanger.com/styleguide2/
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2014-03-18 17:25:54 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Tests/Compatibility_table_and_caching
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2014-03-18 17:33:43 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/lib/EntityConverter.js#L9
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2014-03-18 17:49:40 renoirb: jensimmons: the sites I was working on (some changed since 2011) http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/14808.aspx  its not php anymore.
2014-03-18 17:49:50 jensimmons: nice
2014-03-18 17:49:57 renoirb: https://montreal.bixi.com/, https://toronto.bixi.com/, https://capitale.bixi.com/
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2014-03-18 17:50:15 renoirb: montreal is not the same either. But you see that toronto and capitale are the ones i worked on
2014-03-18 17:50:31 renoirb: with the javascript google map background, etc
2014-03-18 17:50:55 renoirb: https://capitale.bixi.com/css/city.css
2014-03-18 17:51:13 renoirb: but they removed my minification over time
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2014-03-18 17:52:08 jensimmons: do you know that I'm a developer (front-end and Drupal) as well as a designer. I architectured/led the front-end dev on this site: http://home.web.cern.ch (Didn't do any design on that project. Mark Boulton's team already had that covered.)
2014-03-18 17:52:27 jensimmons: It's funny how we each have had a winding path through this all, picking up a range of skills as we go
2014-03-18 17:52:40 renoirb: nice site!!
2014-03-18 17:52:45 renoirb: no i didn't
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2014-03-18 17:53:07 renoirb: I like drupal, BTW.
2014-03-18 17:53:41 jensimmons: yeah that was a great project. Freaking CERN! \o/ The team at CERN is so smart and chill. A great group to be a small part of.
2014-03-18 17:53:45 jensimmons: I like Drupal too
2014-03-18 17:53:47 renoirb: just that in my reality, as french canadian in north america, we are always asked to do multilingual sites. And the CMSes doesn't support it out of the box, its like an afterthought.
2014-03-18 17:54:05 jensimmons: oh man, yeah. Drupal is very good at multilinugal
2014-03-18 17:54:09 jensimmons: very good
2014-03-18 17:54:23 renoirb: i can imagine, I imagine they are as smart and chill as at W3C.
2014-03-18 17:54:43 renoirb: Drupal, multilingual. Uhm, i doubt it :)
2014-03-18 17:54:44 jensimmons: it's also very good at handling user accounts, login, profile pages, etc
2014-03-18 17:55:25 jensimmons: Drupal is very good at accessibility too. A11y & i18n are huge priorities for Drupal. Nothing gets added to the system unless it works in both.
2014-03-18 17:55:43 renoirb: Glad to see that the CSS files are still minified after you left
2014-03-18 17:56:01 jensimmons: ha. yeah...
2014-03-18 17:56:21 jensimmons: well, that's built into Drupal — minifcation
2014-03-18 17:56:21 renoirb: Look at that one http://dundee.advisor.ca/
2014-03-18 17:56:42 jensimmons: although Sass minification is better than Drupals
2014-03-18 17:56:46 jensimmons: newer
2014-03-18 17:57:19 renoirb: My opinion: NEVER use the CMS minification.
2014-03-18 17:57:41 renoirb: Backend work is not the same skill set as frontend and it is counter productive.  To my experience.
2014-03-18 17:59:00 renoirb: dundee is an "iPad" web application.  You know,  2011.  They wanted to be able to read while offline.  Its using localStorage and serializes into json a RSS feed from wordpress.  After I left, the marketing agency changed the top banner to use an iframe.... killing the purpose of "offline"
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2014-03-18 18:03:58 renoirb: Anywyay talking about taste is not very constructive. Thanks for the conversation jensimmons, lets collaborate more.
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2014-03-18 18:04:45 jensimmons: ugh, it's always disappointing to watch your work degraded after it's shipped. Or before.
2014-03-18 18:05:00 jensimmons: I'm a big fan of local storage and wish it was used more
2014-03-18 18:05:15 jensimmons: and yes, let's collaborate more!
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2014-03-18 20:35:16 glosoli: renoirb: "backend work is not the same skill set as frontend and it is counter productive.  To my experience."  I am not english native, so I am kinda struggling to understand (just got me curious) , what is counter productive in this context
2014-03-18 20:36:35 renoirb: I'm not native english speaker either, BTW glosoli
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2014-03-18 20:37:02 glosoli: renoirb: (just plain curiosity) what did you mean by counter productive
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2014-03-18 20:38:14 renoirb: When working on something in a given mode (e.g. Creating HTML/CSS patterns)  switching modes from one to another is a waste of time.
2014-03-18 20:38:46 renoirb: Better say: Let's spend 5 hours coding X component.   Even though you know that later down the road you will work on another aspect that you might need now.
2014-03-18 20:39:00 renoirb: But if you switch from one another adhoc, you have to flip your brain.
2014-03-18 20:39:14 glosoli: aaa I get it now, thanks!
2014-03-18 20:39:57 renoirb: My girlfriend is studying Ergonomy.   I had the chance to be beside her while she watches the replay of her classes.
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2014-03-18 20:40:28 renoirb: Its part of the theory of mental process management.
2014-03-18 20:40:40 renoirb: Where are you from glosoli ?
2014-03-18 20:40:49 glosoli: renoirb: Lithuania, and you :)?
2014-03-18 20:41:08 renoirb: Canada, Québec.
2014-03-18 20:41:41 glosoli: Canada, awesome
2014-03-18 20:42:06 renoirb: Lithuania, never met anybody from there
2014-03-18 20:42:12 renoirb: What is your native language
2014-03-18 20:42:15 renoirb: ?
2014-03-18 20:43:40 glosoli: Lithuanian haha
2014-03-18 20:44:34 glosoli: As for small country we have our own language. Though I am not sure if I am big fan of Lithuanian language
2014-03-18 20:47:52 glosoli: renoirb: How long have you been doing web dev ?
2014-03-18 20:48:12 renoirb: I started in 1998
2014-03-18 20:48:29 renoirb: I was chatting on a web based chat room and had fun injecting html tags and styles
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2014-03-18 20:48:57 glosoli: oh nice,  have you ever felt like there is some stability in the technologies in use ? I mean I started like two years ago, I am wondering if I am the only one who thinks it's one big mess at the point where it stands
2014-03-18 20:49:04 renoirb: But professionally, since 2002
2014-03-18 20:49:29 renoirb: That's because there is so much work to do
2014-03-18 20:49:37 ink|off|ZNC: part
2014-03-18 20:50:36 renoirb: and that due to spoken language (and technological) barriers, it is hard to map a concept without always being listening and talking around
2014-03-18 20:51:09 renoirb: I agree.
2014-03-18 20:51:59 renoirb: You are not the only one to think its a mess, that's what the W3C is doing.
2014-03-18 20:52:42 glosoli: renoirb: which technologies you find yourself using the most ?
2014-03-18 20:52:51 glosoli: like frameworks, editors, other tools
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2014-03-18 21:01:12 renoirb: I started with PHP 3. I stayed only using that bckend technology for a long time.
2014-03-18 21:01:38 renoirb: I really spent time learning JavaScript in 2012. Before that, I was only copy-pasting without trying to understand.
2014-03-18 21:02:15 Garbee: JS is awesome.
2014-03-18 21:02:15 Garbee: :D
2014-03-18 21:02:27 Garbee: For the right stuff...
2014-03-18 21:03:02 Garbee: renoirb: PHP 3?! um, #youOld
2014-03-18 21:03:04 Garbee: lol
2014-03-18 21:03:28 renoirb: In terms of PHP, I think that Symfony2 is the best and most serious PHP framework. Fabien Potencier, the author/maintainer of Symfony, is the one who started to put order in PHP for web developers.  Before that there was no convention (see: PHP-FIG, and the PSR conventions)
2014-03-18 21:03:50 renoirb: I was saying lol long time ago
2014-03-18 21:04:07 renoirb: I was taping music on cassettes
2014-03-18 21:04:10 Garbee: Really it isn't that long in reality.
2014-03-18 21:04:19 renoirb: Sure, its like yesterday
2014-03-18 21:04:31 Garbee: I started with PHP 5.3. :P 5.4 was even out.
2014-03-18 21:04:43 glosoli never did any PHP
2014-03-18 21:04:46 glosoli: I guess I am lucky lol
2014-03-18 21:04:52 Garbee: Wait, no. 5.3 was it. 5.4 was out a few months after I started learning to code.
2014-03-18 21:04:56 renoirb: What is your programming language glosoli ?
2014-03-18 21:05:06 Garbee: well, *really* code. I tried C in high school. Worst mistake ever.
2014-03-18 21:05:21 Garbee: C is not a starter language.
2014-03-18 21:05:45 renoirb: I think its good to learn C or C++. But not required to do web. Just very good to improve how you structure your code
2014-03-18 21:06:08 Garbee: glosoli: People bash PHP all the time. But the fact is every language has its issues. PHP however is dedicated to backwards compatibility. So things are recreated vs just being fixed so older code isn't broken on an update.
2014-03-18 21:06:40 renoirb: But besides that, glosoli, I always had Linux on my computers.  Starting from 2001, never looked back.
2014-03-18 21:06:51 Garbee: mysql_* functions are now deprecated in PHP. But it will be either PHP 6 or a decade (whichever comes first) before they are actually removed.
2014-03-18 21:07:35 Garbee: +1 to Linux. Especially doing web dev.
2014-03-18 21:07:36 glosoli: Garbee: My language? Aint no such. I am open minded guy. Basically what I been doing recent years was Java, Python, Clojure, JavaScript, some Objective-C, and couple of other languages which were required to help some folks go through their assignments
2014-03-18 21:07:43 renoirb: Now I'm using MacOS and Linux.   Just that Mac is so polished that I do not need to spend a week or two only to learn which switches in the kernel to be sure I use all the features the laptop has... and not drain the battery too quickly.
2014-03-18 21:08:25 Garbee: glosoli: Yea, I think I'd die with a strict-typing language like Java. :P
2014-03-18 21:08:33 renoirb: Nice!  I like python very much.
2014-03-18 21:08:41 renoirb: I'm currently learning it on the side.
2014-03-18 21:08:49 glosoli: Garbee: I barely do any Java now, my company been shifting to Clojure a lot
2014-03-18 21:09:19 renoirb: Garbee: that's probably why you do not like Symfony2... it encourages (to some extend) to type your code
2014-03-18 21:09:21 Garbee: I think I'm going to start learning Go once I finish up this new store site.
2014-03-18 21:09:53 Garbee: renoirb: I don't like Symfony because I haven't truly dug into building something with it. Too busy working on the new store site.
2014-03-18 21:10:02 Garbee: I plan once it is launched, to rebuilt a mockup in Symfony and see how it goes.
2014-03-18 21:10:06 glosoli: I want to learn soo much, if Only there were 100 hours in a day, I wouldn't feel that dumb then
2014-03-18 21:10:13 Garbee: Just like I will build a mockup in Go.
2014-03-18 21:10:16 Garbee: And Python.
2014-03-18 21:10:24 Garbee: Learn a few languages by building the same kind of system.
2014-03-18 21:10:37 renoirb: In symphony, when you are in a controller (what takes care of request... to give a response that may or not have templating) you can type the Entity (a naked object that the object relational mapper knows) and hop, you saved 4 lines of code to have access to the DB. ... This is called AOP
2014-03-18 21:10:52 renoirb: Something that symphony allows very easily
2014-03-18 21:11:02 Garbee: oh, AOP.
2014-03-18 21:11:03 Garbee: Sweet.
2014-03-18 21:11:21 Garbee: Oh well, I gtg.
2014-03-18 21:11:24 Garbee: See ya'll tomorrow.
2014-03-18 21:11:25 renoirb: AOP is to provide infrastructure in your code.
2014-03-18 21:11:27 renoirb: seeya
2014-03-18 21:11:31 Garbee: Thanks for letting me interject.
2014-03-18 21:11:33 Garbee: ;)
2014-03-18 21:11:46 renoirb: np Garbee
2014-03-18 21:11:48 glosoli: good luck Garbee
2014-03-18 21:14:20 renoirb: So, which language you learned first?
2014-03-18 21:14:30 renoirb: Do you have formal training glosoli ?
2014-03-18 21:14:31 renoirb: I dont
2014-03-18 21:15:00 glosoli: renoirb: I have been studying software engineering for  3.5, just got my degree couple months ago
2014-03-18 21:15:11 glosoli: So I suppose I do, though most of the stuff is learnt at home anyway :)
2014-03-18 21:15:20 renoirb: what is 3.5? years?
2014-03-18 21:15:49 renoirb: Yeah, but its much quicker than my own.
2014-03-18 21:15:51 glosoli: sorry, yes years
2014-03-18 21:16:16 renoirb: I mean, before I really decided to understand and dig took many years.
2014-03-18 21:16:17 glosoli: The problem with me, I wasn't that much interested in coding back in the school days ;/
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2014-03-18 21:20:34 renoirb: And now?
2014-03-18 21:20:54 glosoli:  I like it  a lot
2014-03-18 21:21:06 renoirb: I think that the problem with Universities, glosoli, is that they jump right into the deep stuff.
2014-03-18 21:21:10 glosoli: But there is soo much to learn every day, the whole coding thing, got me into having lower self esteem
2014-03-18 21:21:31 renoirb: You have to learn mathematics, and many other pointy things.
2014-03-18 21:22:49 glosoli: Well I like the variety of things universities require
2014-03-18 21:23:03 glosoli: otherwise it would feel narrow minded experience imo
2014-03-18 21:23:09 renoirb: Self-esteem issues are very common. I know very few people who never had self-esteem issues.
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2014-03-18 21:24:17 renoirb: I think its good too.  But the problem is that because of the way school are grading, somebody can fail in requisites that, in fact, are not ~~really~~ needed.
2014-03-18 21:24:49 renoirb: For example, i'm very slow at factoring.  Not that I do not know priority of equations, radicals, etc. Just that i'm slow!
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2014-03-18 21:27:11 glosoli: Or you are thinking carefuly
2014-03-18 21:27:24 renoirb: See, my point :)
2014-03-18 21:28:15 renoirb: But, seriously, of course we can get quicker at it. I havent' touched mathematics at all for more than 15 years.
2014-03-18 21:28:35 glosoli: That's in my list -> revisiting math knowledge
2014-03-18 21:29:12 renoirb: How about you apply it to programming. Functionnal programming seems amazing to combine both
2014-03-18 21:29:48 renoirb: JavaScript tainted my way to program PHP.   I want to
2014-03-18 21:29:57 glosoli: renoirb: well, seriously I been doing math related apps in JS for half year or so
2014-03-18 21:30:05 glosoli: Client side calculators for swedish bank :)
2014-03-18 21:30:13 glosoli: Still it gets out of my head after couple months
2014-03-18 21:30:15 renoirb: you must know more than me then
2014-03-18 21:30:46 renoirb: I have a friend who is building a system to calculate loans
2014-03-18 21:31:07 renoirb: Taking into account payments, interests, etc.
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2014-03-18 21:35:41 glosoli: Yeah this one included loan calculations, bunch of mess, they gave me excel spreadsheets with no explanations, and I had to turn it into AngularJS web apps
2014-03-18 21:35:41 glosoli: :)
2014-03-18 21:35:44 glosoli: kinda fun though
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2014-03-18 21:38:50 renoirb: wow, yeah, that's life.
2014-03-18 21:39:31 renoirb: Its always like that, actually.
2014-03-18 21:45:18 glosoli: renoirb: so you don't do lots of math stuff in your work ?
2014-03-18 21:46:24 renoirb: Not much. I'm a self-taught who worked mostly with graphic design agencies to make them have their photoshop/illustrator into websites.
2014-03-18 21:47:19 renoirb: I always played with Linux, HTML/CSS and building websites in PHP.
2014-03-18 21:48:40 glosoli: renoirb: never even considered other lang that PHP ?
2014-03-18 21:48:46 renoirb: Sure!
2014-03-18 21:50:02 glosoli: interesting
2014-03-18 21:50:03 renoirb: In the past i worked in a Java firm building web applications for banks and other larger companies.    I participated in elaborating templating tag libs (Struts)
2014-03-18 21:50:32 renoirb: I enjoy very much JavaScript, and now i'm learning Python.
2014-03-18 21:51:32 renoirb: Python is quite useful to me because webplatform.org infrastructure has a tool written in python and I have a few ideas that can only be done in python itself.
2014-03-18 21:53:08 glosoli: what kind of tool is it :?
2014-03-18 21:55:04 renoirb: Its called Salt stack.
2014-03-18 21:57:42 renoirb: It separates system administration in a set of toolchains:  Event reactor (event handlers to react to the changes happening),  States (to describe a desired state),  Pillar (structure your parameters),  Grains (facts about the members),  Runners (commands you can create yourself think of combining modules and firing events),    and Modules (built-in components)
2014-03-18 21:58:32 renoirb: Everything js written in text files using YAML syntax.  You can loop and fork logic using Jinja templates.
2014-03-18 21:58:37 glosoli: I See, looks like popular tool in PyPi
2014-03-18 21:58:43 glosoli: Damn that YAML lol
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2014-03-18 21:59:44 renoirb: For example, look at that sls file: https://github.com/SmartReceipt/salt_logstash/blob/master/client.sls
2014-03-18 21:59:51 renoirb: (sls = state, sorry)
2014-03-18 21:59:55 glosoli: Used YAML within Ansible, had problems with indentation VIM, though works fine in Emacs
2014-03-18 22:00:40 renoirb: actually sls = is for salt statck.  At the top you can say which engine you want, in that file, for example its PyDsl, saltstack's Python DSL language.
2014-03-18 22:00:59 renoirb: do not indent with tabs.
2014-03-18 22:01:06 renoirb: that's the only requisite with yaml
2014-03-18 22:01:31 renoirb: I use two spaces, all the time. Not much longer than one push of TAB
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2014-03-18 22:01:57 glosoli: renoirb: it was not the tabs issue, just vim not adding correct amount of spaces, though that's not a YAML issue either, just me being lazy  ;/
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2014-03-18 22:10:30 frozenice: renoirb: just saw this in the Piwik 2.1.0 changelog from earlier this month: Introduce new User permission: Super User Access (just upgraded our company's Piwik)
2014-03-18 22:10:41 frozenice: just FYI, seems like there can be multiple superusers now :)
2014-03-18 22:11:01 renoirb: I know Piwik had a major release, frozenice
2014-03-18 22:11:07 renoirb: Just did not have time to deploy it.
2014-03-18 22:11:14 frozenice: that was 2.0 a while back
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2014-03-20 17:13:47 renoirb: hey frozenice
2014-03-20 17:14:09 renoirb: I'm trying to get to know which day would do, and time for all of us.
2014-03-20 17:14:35 renoirb: We have 6 hours differences, and I do not know Pat's timezone
2014-03-20 17:15:54 frozenice: yeah it's just that some appointments are 1 hour long and others are 6+
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2014-03-25 17:09:45 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/
2014-03-25 17:10:02 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/stewards/
2014-03-25 17:10:10 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/logo/
2014-03-25 17:14:09 Garbee: What am I looking at these for?
2014-03-25 17:15:53 renoirb: Static version (php less) version of www.webplatform.org Garbee
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2014-03-25 17:17:04 Garbee: ah.
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2014-03-25 17:18:25 renoirb: http://docpad.org/
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2014-03-25 17:30:14 Garbee: wow.
2014-03-25 17:30:16 Garbee: Nice find.
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2014-03-25 17:32:01 renoirb: https://gist.github.com/renoirb/f6a571b799ed41a5fd84  Stewards page
2014-03-25 17:33:13 renoirb: <%= @document.heading %>
2014-03-25 17:34:08 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/wepblatform-static-docpad-demo.zip
2014-03-25 17:36:29 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test
2014-03-25 17:37:43 shepazu: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/stewards/adobe/
2014-03-25 17:38:09 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/tree/master/src/layouts
2014-03-25 17:38:22 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/src/layouts/base.html.eco
2014-03-25 17:38:56 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/src/layouts/homepage.html.eco
2014-03-25 17:39:24 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/src/documents/stewards/facebook/index.html.md.eco
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2014-03-25 17:42:53 shepazu: http://www.webplatform.org/boo
2014-03-25 17:44:13 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/.gitignore
2014-03-25 17:44:55 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/package.json
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2014-03-25 17:47:34 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/js/notes.js   and  https://github.com/renoirb/test/blob/master/src/files/js/notes.js
2014-03-25 17:47:41 jensimmons: https://github.com/jensimmons/wpddesigns/tree/master/design
2014-03-25 17:56:40 jensimmons: http://prose.io
2014-03-25 17:59:05 renoirb: https://github.com/renoirb/test/tree/master/src/documents/stewards/w3c
2014-03-25 18:01:12 renoirb: jensimmons, ping, https://github.com/webplatform/www
2014-03-25 18:01:44 jensimmons: can you rename it www.webplatform.org? “www” only is not clear
2014-03-25 18:02:49 jensimmons: also, yeah. also, pleae make me a contributor
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2014-03-25 18:04:53 jensimmons: still needed to do: fix breadcrumbs, put the Sass files in the mix,
2014-03-25 18:06:07 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org
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2014-03-25 19:03:47 renoirb: yeah, i was impressed
2014-03-25 19:03:53 renoirb: frozenice, so was I with gulp
2014-03-25 19:03:57 renoirb: look at the gulpfile.js
2014-03-25 19:04:18 renoirb: much better than Grunt. Do not need to learn how to structure arrays and objects. Just Javascript^(tm)
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2014-03-25 19:09:08 frozenice: yeah I know about Gulp, it's fun :) doesn't quite support everything Grunt does, yet
2014-03-25 19:09:25 renoirb: yeah, but still javascript.
2014-03-25 19:09:43 renoirb: All i need is concat, zip, jshint and probably some HTTP calls.
2014-03-25 19:09:56 frozenice: yup the streaming concept is pretty cool
2014-03-25 19:10:23 renoirb: i thought of using browserify (and/or/with bower) instead of require js for frontend
2014-03-25 19:10:53 renoirb: but i have enough new-tool-factor for the moment
2014-03-25 19:11:22 frozenice: :)
2014-03-25 19:11:44 renoirb: what is your feeling about frontend asset managmenet
2014-03-25 19:12:22 renoirb: we want to use sass (probably use libsass inide nodejs, instead of ruby), want to ugglyfy, lint, minify, concatenate.
2014-03-25 19:12:43 renoirb: and also to manage the externals with bower… but i do not get what is browserify, if it replaces it.
2014-03-25 19:12:54 frozenice: definitely bower
2014-03-25 19:13:17 frozenice: browserify basically makes node modules runnable in the browser
2014-03-25 19:13:20 renoirb: indeed. but browserify is to allow leveraging nodejs utilities… imported for the browser.
2014-03-25 19:16:21 frozenice: I also like the whole workflow you get with certain yo / grunt initialisers (uglify, concat, etc.)
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2014-03-25 19:26:51 renoirb: i know :D
2014-03-25 19:26:58 renoirb: that’s what I’m replicating in the gulpfile
2014-03-25 19:27:24 renoirb: `gulp minify` lints, then minify. File is straightforward.
2014-03-25 19:28:30 renoirb: I’m using yeoman since its first days.  I always had problems with how to configure grunt because you have to learn how the extension wants the configuration.
2014-03-25 19:28:37 renoirb: With gulp, simple javascript.
2014-03-25 19:28:56 renoirb: What you see on the repo had takend me minutes (litterally) to do this.
2014-03-25 19:29:05 renoirb: s/takend/taken/
2014-03-25 19:30:30 frozenice: yup, it's pretty awesome
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2014-03-28 00:02:46 annaheim: Sorry for my ignorance but I think i may have missed some announcement regarding missing images on the docs?
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2014-03-28 14:55:27 isiah: I have something that would potentially tremendously help with the treatment of JavaScript either disabled or nonexistent, and I was wondering how I would be able to spread that idea. (Relevant URL: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-discuss/H13jMvds3qQ)
2014-03-28 14:55:51 isiah: Look towards the bottom of that link to find the more pertinent information
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2014-03-28 15:01:44 isiah: I have something that would potentially tremendously help with the treatment of JavaScript either disabled or nonexistent, and I was wondering how I would be able to spread that idea. (Relevant URL: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-discuss/H13jMvds3qQ)
2014-03-28 15:01:46 isiah: Look towards the bottom of that link to find the more pertinent information
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2014-03-28 15:06:06 isiah: I was thinking about adding a page that explains how to better serve HTML content to browsers either with JavaScript disabled or (the few) without JavaScript support.
2014-03-28 15:06:53 isiah: Here's the core of the code: <noscript><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url=/no-script-version"/></noscript>
2014-03-28 15:08:47 isiah: Basically, where the browser automatically parses and executes the contents of the <noscript> tag if JavaScript is disabled, this enables a meta tag to automatically refresh the page with a different URL, decisively for no JS enabled.
2014-03-28 15:09:59 isiah: Or to better phrase it, that meta tag should point to a page without any JS needed to be shown. It can be created dynamically server-side, and this wouldn't be a problem.
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2014-03-28 15:13:11 isiah: I was wondering if it would be okay to add a page to the wiki about this. It would greatly enhance the ability to deal with non-JS requests, and it would also help tell how many visitors the site has that don't have JS enabled.
2014-03-28 15:13:12 Garbee: isiah: Make a tutorial page for a nojs fallback version of a page.
2014-03-28 15:13:39 Garbee: Oh wait, we have something set so you need some number of edits before you can make a page...
2014-03-28 15:13:59 isiah: Okay.I'm rather new to the site (I had never heard of this site in the first place until about a couple weeks ago).
2014-03-28 15:14:09 isiah: How many edits are required?
2014-03-28 15:14:20 Garbee: No clue. 10 I think.
2014-03-28 15:14:35 Garbee: Let me see if I can SSH in and find the config.
2014-03-28 15:18:45 Garbee: yea, it is 10.
2014-03-28 15:18:59 Garbee: We can create the page manually though and then you can just edit from there.
2014-03-28 15:19:36 isiah: Okay. Please give me a link to it once you're done
2014-03-28 15:22:10 isiah: It would be much appreciated
2014-03-28 15:25:19 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/redirect_no_javascript
2014-03-28 15:25:23 Garbee: There ya go. edit away.
2014-03-28 15:26:02 Garbee: although, I probably should have named it better looking at the URL... We'll fix that later.
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2014-03-28 15:36:30 isiah: Okay. Thanks for your help
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2014-03-28 15:50:07 Garbee: http://vitalets.github.io/x-editable/
2014-03-28 15:50:11 Garbee: This looks interesting...
2014-03-28 15:57:42 FeatheredSerpent: Yea. I do not like the response time. I'd have to see the use cases. I was never a fan of "fancy popup".
2014-03-28 15:58:14 FeatheredSerpent: Or "pop over" whatever y'all calling it these days.
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2014-03-28 16:08:14 Garbee: FeatheredSerpent: Use-case, inline editing of content.
2014-03-28 16:08:19 Garbee: No more /edit pages.
2014-03-28 16:08:42 Garbee: You want to edit a section? Fine, we can do it all inline with this and contenteditable fields for the actual content.
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2014-04-01 17:08:23 eliot: Eliot tells Renoir that there are errors on the server. Renoir goes to investigate.
2014-04-01 17:08:27 imoification: cannot seem to create an account
2014-04-01 17:08:44 eliot: <shepazu> TOPIC: static site infrastructure
2014-04-01 17:08:57 eliot: ...landing page, home page, etc.
2014-04-01 17:09:11 eliot: Jen ask for changes in repo
2014-04-01 17:09:26 eliot: Renoir found a NodeJs static stie genrator, mirrored it on Github
2014-04-01 17:09:43 eliot: Jensimmons: looks good
2014-04-01 17:10:10 eliot: Shepazu: need to make it easy and obvious for someone helping
2014-04-01 17:10:38 eliot: Just go to the repo with a similar URL to the live site, and make a pull request
2014-04-01 17:11:10 eliot: ...Ppl have aasked to be able to help via GitHub. Yay, Renoir! and Jen!
2014-04-01 17:12:15 eliot: Shepazu: Jen has pushed out the front page. Write a short blog post?
2014-04-01 17:12:24 eliot: JenSimmons: yup
2014-04-01 17:12:40 eliot: shepazu: add a little about pushing changes with GitHub, too.
2014-04-01 17:12:51 eliot: ...Renoir can help with details, too.
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2014-04-01 17:14:00 eliot: TOPIC: Compatibility Table Project
2014-04-01 17:14:12 eliot: shepazu: Renoir's completed the code infrastructure
2014-04-01 17:14:19 eliot: ...and has an instance running
2014-04-01 17:14:24 eliot: ...running on test
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2014-04-01 17:14:31 eliot: ...will generate tables.
2014-04-01 17:14:53 eliot: ...Jen, can you look at the tables and do the minimum work to make them look nice?
2014-04-01 17:15:07 eliot: ...The compat table extension is working
2014-04-01 17:15:11 jensimmons: Jen says yes.
2014-04-01 17:15:29 eliot: ...takes the data and puts it on theweb ppage in a way that also caches, and caches properly.
2014-04-01 17:15:42 imoification: help needed in creating account on webplatform.org
2014-04-01 17:16:03 eliot: ...Critical moving forward, since only some data will change and we don't want to refresh it all everytime
2014-04-01 17:16:14 eliot: ...on top of the MEdiaWiki extension
2014-04-01 17:16:21 eliot: ...So, we can generate the tables.
2014-04-01 17:16:33 eliot: ...But we can only generate the data.
2014-04-01 17:16:59 eliot: ...Fro's solution had a problem with timeout with Kuma
2014-04-01 17:17:19 eliot: ...Renoir talked with Pat Tressle to make a crawler that wd get all the data from MDN
2014-04-01 17:17:32 eliot: ...so now we have the infrastructure. We just need all the data.
2014-04-01 17:17:40 eliot: ....Not a challenging part of the project.
2014-04-01 17:17:53 eliot: ....Eliezer or Renoir can put it into templates, too.
2014-04-01 17:18:10 eliot: ...we need to figure out how to call each data thing.  Should be template-driven.
2014-04-01 17:18:31 eliot: ...You'd only have to put the name of the feature in and it goes off and grabs the compat table info,
2014-04-01 17:18:33 jensimmons: hi imoification. You happen to be asking for help right at the moment when our website is melting. The sys admin is working right now to get the site back up.
2014-04-01 17:18:39 eliot: ...so that's tremendous.
2014-04-01 17:18:54 eliot: ...Goes far to completing CSS!
2014-04-01 17:19:22 eliot: RenoirB: on /test, I put implementation on the pages.
2014-04-01 17:19:27 eliezerb is following the meeting on IRC
2014-04-01 17:19:38 eliot: ...We need to find a way to work around the block on MDN.
2014-04-01 17:19:40 jensimmons: imoification: normally it’s very straightforward to make an account. So sorry that it’s not right now.
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2014-04-01 17:21:12 eliot: Shepazu: MDN is stilll unable to give us a dump of the compat data
2014-04-01 17:22:09 eliot: ...it would be good for us to prepare a blog post about the tables' progress.
2014-04-01 17:23:20 eliot: ACTION on shepazu: create blog post draft about progress on compat tables
2014-04-01 17:23:39 eliot: ACTION on JenSimmons: Create a blog post about home page improvements
2014-04-01 17:24:18 eliot: TOPIC: Recap Doc Sprint Fluent Conf
2014-04-01 17:24:47 eliot: shepazu: I was a mess, b/c I had to present next day.
2014-04-01 17:24:57 eliot: ...Jen, too?
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2014-04-01 17:25:44 eliot: julee: About 8 people showed up out of 80 who signd up.
2014-04-01 17:26:03 eliot: ...2 of those were "not really engaged"
2014-04-01 17:26:15 eliot: ...123 changes to the docs. Pretty significant.
2014-04-01 17:26:37 eliot: ...Good thing: Scott Murray
2014-04-01 17:26:59 eliot: JenSimmons: Even though there weren't many people, they stayed all day and participated.
2014-04-01 17:27:05 eliot: ...They were engaged.
2014-04-01 17:27:28 eliot: ....even though there were 8 people, there were 2-3 women who were enthusiastic.
2014-04-01 17:27:50 eliot: julee: May have been "meet-up junkies"
2014-04-01 17:28:00 eliot: jensimmons: still OK, though.
2014-04-01 17:30:36 eliot: ...there's an assumption that if we're open source with a lot of volunteer hours, the only way it's going to be successful is with serious cheerleaders.
2014-04-01 17:31:23 eliot: ...."Yeah!!!!! Welcome to Nerddom" and that energy helps to keep people coming back.
2014-04-01 17:31:50 eliot: ....OK, so we didn't have a lot of people, there was something happening that I wouldn't call a failure.
2014-04-01 17:32:05 eliot: ...even though it didn't go the way we wanted, it went well.
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2014-04-01 17:33:13 eliot: ...and this must be a conscious thought. It doesn't happen by itself.
2014-04-01 17:33:28 eliot: shepazu agrees
2014-04-01 17:33:52 eliot: julee: Do we want to associate with conferences?
2014-04-01 17:34:10 eliot: ...people like Carlos--in the bay area--and PAul V, too.
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2014-04-01 17:34:29 eliot: ...by the data, European doc sprints are more predictable about who shows up
2014-04-01 17:34:38 eliot: ....maybe we support them more?
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2014-04-01 17:35:15 eliot: shepazu: observations: planning a sprint when people have other things to do or have expended or are about to expend a lot of energy, seems counter productive.
2014-04-01 17:35:23 eliot: ....we should be overt that we're learning this.
2014-04-01 17:35:39 eliot: ....maybe we can have a different event than a doc sprint at these things.
2014-04-01 17:36:29 eliot: eliot: like bof sessions or meetups about how to get involved (for an hour) and mention another full doc sprint
2014-04-01 17:36:50 eliot: ...we talked to Opera and identified the right person from Opera about getting more involved.
2014-04-01 17:37:09 eliot: shepazu: Head of dev rel from Opera was there.
2014-04-01 17:37:31 eliot: ...Scott Murray (D3 expert) showed up. Good talk about SVG.
2014-04-01 17:38:18 eliot: ACTION: Doug to send mail to opera
2014-04-01 17:38:54 eliot: ACTION: each attendee of Fluent to send piggyback mail about what should be in a blog post about the Fluent Doc sprint
2014-04-01 17:39:55 eliot: JenSimmons: do we know why 70 people didn't show up?
2014-04-01 17:40:45 eliot: ACTION: on Julee to send out a 3 question survey about why people didn't show up
2014-04-01 17:41:09 eliot: shepazu: we just want (politely) to know why people didn't show up
2014-04-01 17:41:39 eliot: jensimmons: How did they find out about it? Why did they sign up? And then, why not show....
2014-04-01 17:44:50 eliot: shepazu: We should follow up with this discussion on the list
2014-04-01 17:45:49 eliot: ...how'd you hear about it? Did you show up? If not, why? Or something like that.
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2014-04-01 17:46:28 eliot: TOPIC: Web Platform Wedesday
2014-04-01 17:46:46 eliot: julee: JS docs didn't get good response, and it's documented elsewhere
2014-04-01 17:47:00 eliot: ...do we want to do something we have more impact in, like SVG?
2014-04-01 17:47:07 eliot: shepazu: YAY!
2014-04-01 17:48:10 eliot: ACTION on Eliot to verify the content of the JS pages and sending out a request to the list or blog
2014-04-01 17:48:59 eliot: shepazu: Regarding SVG: I can a) follow up with Scott Murray about having a doc sprint at an SVG conference in England
2014-04-01 17:50:00 eliot: ...b) ask the SVG and d3 community --a small community--to help out with SVG
2014-04-01 17:50:48 eliot: julee: we should pull in SVG designers, too
2014-04-01 17:51:16 eliot: shepazu: MediaWiki doesn't let you do SVG on its pages. Looking for a workaround
2014-04-01 17:51:32 eliot: ...love the idea of designers making attractive tutorials
2014-04-01 17:51:50 eliot: ...2 main uses: data visualization and icons. We need several tutorials for those.
2014-04-01 17:52:05 eliot: julee: sprite sheets, responsive SVG
2014-04-01 17:52:15 eliot: ...what containers you can put SVG in
2014-04-01 17:52:55 eliot: ...if Dapple doesn't work well, we could use Code Pen or something else
2014-04-01 17:53:04 eliot: shepazu: Dabblet is fine.
2014-04-01 17:53:33 eliot: sd/Dapple/Drupel
2014-04-01 17:56:09 eliot: shepaze: scripting SVG, too
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2014-04-01 18:13:50 renoirb: eliot, you can have a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/Homepage
2014-04-01 18:14:10 renoirb: Its the summary of the objectives and reasons behind the static site generator
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2014-04-01 20:50:14 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: howdy
2014-04-01 20:51:02 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: was that github password reset email to the public list?
2014-04-01 20:51:50 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: also, we should block out some time to use the newer version of the deployment system and to upgrade mediawiki
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2014-04-01 21:27:47 renoirb: It was me Ryan_Lane
2014-04-01 21:28:00 renoirb: I totally agree Ryan_Lane
2014-04-01 21:28:00 Ryan_Lane: yeah, but does that go to a public list?
2014-04-01 21:28:37 Ryan_Lane: everything is now 100% checked into a git repo, right?
2014-04-01 21:28:39 renoirb: The mail went to team-webplatform-admin , it is not public
2014-04-01 21:28:46 Ryan_Lane: because the new deployment system is git based and not rsync based
2014-04-01 21:28:59 Ryan_Lane: so it forces people to check things in
2014-04-01 21:29:16 renoirb: Not all, we still have private things in salt
2014-04-01 21:29:23 Ryan_Lane: yeah, that's fine
2014-04-01 21:29:37 renoirb: (that’s a work in progress, i’m 80% there)
2014-04-01 21:29:53 Ryan_Lane: as long as the applications have everything checked-in it's fine
2014-04-01 21:30:04 Ryan_Lane: salt deploys itself anyway
2014-04-01 21:31:03 Ryan_Lane: we'll move one application at a time to the new deployer
2014-04-01 21:31:15 renoirb: But as for MediaWiki, I succeded to have something that seems to work from an empty checkout from mediawiki/core on refs/head/wmf/1.23wmf19 (from a few weeks ago)
2014-04-01 21:31:25 Ryan_Lane: excellent
2014-04-01 21:31:26 renoirb: and run a full install locall from my vagrant VM
2014-04-01 21:31:38 Ryan_Lane: does it work with all of our extensions, too?
2014-04-01 21:31:47 renoirb: from that https://github.com/webplatform/saltyvagrant-mediawiki
2014-04-01 21:31:50 Ryan_Lane: stupid SMW now must be installed via composer, so that should make things interesting
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2014-04-01 21:32:04 renoirb: I have a list of discrepancies though, Ryan_Lane
2014-04-01 21:32:09 renoirb: I have the list somewhere.
2014-04-01 21:32:11 Ryan_Lane: cool
2014-04-01 21:32:55 Ryan_Lane: I wonder if we can use composer on the deployment host, then check in whatever it pulls down
2014-04-01 21:33:01 Ryan_Lane: then push it out with git
2014-04-01 21:33:04 renoirb: i’d like that!
2014-04-01 21:33:13 Ryan_Lane: I hate that we have to do that
2014-04-01 21:33:32 renoirb: I think what’d nice is that the webplatform/mediawiki has all other external dependencies
2014-04-01 21:33:41 renoirb: if you think that’s a good idea
2014-04-01 21:33:49 Ryan_Lane: well, it mostly does now via submodules
2014-04-01 21:34:02 renoirb: yeah.  I do not want to overthink it.
2014-04-01 21:35:36 renoirb: I think the best is that in /srv/code/docs … we can rebuilt it from nothing by doing some systematic operations:   clone a wmflabs branch to current folder,  put config files (*Settings.php) form private git repo, pull any other dependencies on top of that.
2014-04-01 21:38:31 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: Extension list is here: https://gist.github.com/renoirb/9923697
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2014-04-01 21:39:51 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: yeah
2014-04-01 21:40:48 renoirb: Some extensions might not be needed anymore. E.g. SearchAutocomplete can be set as a separate javascript.   The other might be the comments, that we import them in our new notes.webplatform.org
2014-04-01 21:41:01 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: we could have a config repo and a MW repo
2014-04-01 21:41:09 Ryan_Lane: the MW repo could have the code and the extensions
2014-04-01 21:41:10 renoirb: But that’s an other matter, since I have you with me now, lets talk about things you know that I dont :)
2014-04-01 21:41:27 Ryan_Lane: then we can deploy the config separately from the code
2014-04-01 21:41:56 Ryan_Lane: sure
2014-04-01 21:42:13 renoirb: Config repo separate from code: I agree.  In fact, I thought of Salting the salt master.   In /srv/private/  I keep private files such as account information, SSL certificates, etc.
2014-04-01 21:42:15 Ryan_Lane: did I mention I figured out how to make gitfs work for salt? :)
2014-04-01 21:42:22 renoirb: yaay!
2014-04-01 21:42:33 Ryan_Lane: gitpython is missing from the apt repo
2014-04-01 21:42:41 Ryan_Lane: I put in a bug for that
2014-04-01 21:42:55 renoirb: Oh, One thing if you can help me fix it, its over my capabilities.
2014-04-01 21:42:56 Ryan_Lane: but you can pip install it
2014-04-01 21:43:04 renoirb: Can you help me trace what makes salt call slow, please
2014-04-01 21:43:16 Ryan_Lane: salt-call?
2014-04-01 21:43:37 Ryan_Lane: yeah. last time it was because it was including a ton of files, which I moved outside of its file path
2014-04-01 21:43:38 renoirb: no, on deployment, when I use ‘salt ‘whatever’ …’
2014-04-01 21:44:05 Ryan_Lane: when you use state.highstate?
2014-04-01 21:44:06 renoirb: Yeah, you talked to me about tracing. But its too cryptic for me.
2014-04-01 21:44:18 Ryan_Lane: or any command at all?
2014-04-01 21:44:19 renoirb: When I use state.highstate, state.sls etc
2014-04-01 21:44:23 renoirb: almost any command.
2014-04-01 21:44:27 Ryan_Lane: is test.ping slow/
2014-04-01 21:44:31 renoirb: no, not that.
2014-04-01 21:44:36 Ryan_Lane: are any of the nodes non-responsive?
2014-04-01 21:44:42 renoirb: no, that’s checked.
2014-04-01 21:44:49 Ryan_Lane: all the ones in the keys?
2014-04-01 21:44:55 renoirb: you are right, its only when state.something
2014-04-01 21:44:59 Ryan_Lane: ah. ok
2014-04-01 21:45:16 renoirb: I do everything through either state.highstate, or state.sls
2014-04-01 21:45:18 Ryan_Lane: I traced this last time by using strace and filtering on reads and writes
2014-04-01 21:45:40 Ryan_Lane: strace -Ff -p <pid-of-salt-master> -eread,write
2014-04-01 21:45:44 renoirb: Yeah, the options doesnt enlighten my brain.
2014-04-01 21:46:06 Ryan_Lane: and noticed that it was reading every single file in the file tree for every minion
2014-04-01 21:46:17 Ryan_Lane: what version of salt are you running?
2014-04-01 21:46:26 renoirb: current latest - 0.0.1
2014-04-01 21:47:43 Ryan_Lane nods
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2014-04-01 21:48:26 renoirb: Ok, let me see that
2014-04-01 21:49:48 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: any salt-master PID will do? Or I must use the parent pid?
2014-04-01 21:51:05 Ryan_Lane: parent
2014-04-01 21:51:20 Ryan_Lane: Ff tells it to attach to any fork as well
2014-04-01 21:51:27 renoirb: I assume its the smallest number in the list of pids
2014-04-01 21:51:39 renoirb: It reads a lot of things, but no names
2014-04-01 21:51:49 renoirb: [pid  6890] write(12, "\1\0\0\0...)
2014-04-01 21:51:53 renoirb: lots of nameless things
2014-04-01 21:53:15 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: it should be a pid with a parent of 1
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2014-04-01 21:54:15 renoirb: ok.
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2014-04-01 21:54:47 renoirb: When I look at `salt-master -l debug` it seems to read and re-read things like in a loop
2014-04-01 21:55:22 Ryan_Lane: what things is it reading?
2014-04-01 21:55:33 Ryan_Lane: do you have any large repos in its file roots path?
2014-04-01 21:56:52 renoirb: uhm. let me find the appropriate pid
2014-04-01 21:57:04 renoirb: pstree -p gave it to me. So I can strace AND follow log
2014-04-01 21:58:19 renoirb: nothing big.  /srv/salt  without much code.
2014-04-01 21:58:31 renoirb: and in pillar_roots:  /srv/pillar, /srv/private/pillar
2014-04-01 22:02:38 renoirb: What I mostly is “Authentication accepted from HOSTNAME”
2014-04-01 22:02:48 renoirb: “Authentication request from HOSTNAME”
2014-04-01 22:02:54 renoirb: AES payload received with command _minion_event
2014-04-01 22:03:00 renoirb: Clear payload received with command _auth
2014-04-01 22:03:06 renoirb: And it happens A LOT!
2014-04-01 22:03:10 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: ^
2014-04-01 22:03:31 Ryan_Lane: yeah. that's normal
2014-04-01 22:03:46 Ryan_Lane: every single time the minion polls the master that'll happen
2014-04-01 22:03:47 renoirb: yeah, I can imagine, its polling if there is progress.
2014-04-01 22:03:56 renoirb: I’m climbing the log file
2014-04-01 22:04:00 renoirb: at the moment.
2014-04-01 22:04:20 renoirb: Great. on top of my screen log
2014-04-01 22:04:23 renoirb: .
2014-04-01 22:04:39 renoirb: I’ll try again and pipe it to a file for a minute or two
2014-04-01 22:04:48 Ryan_Lane: yeah. likely easiest
2014-04-01 22:05:01 Ryan_Lane: are you running a state.highstate while doing the trace?
2014-04-01 22:05:58 renoirb: yes
2014-04-01 22:06:02 Ryan_Lane nods
2014-04-01 22:07:45 renoirb: Ryan, how can I pipe strace to a file?
2014-04-01 22:08:07 renoirb: I cannot do `strace -Ff -p 21811 -eread,write > /mnt/salt-master-trace.log 2>&1`  it exits
2014-04-01 22:08:12 Ryan_Lane: -o
2014-04-01 22:08:14 renoirb: oh!
2014-04-01 22:08:19 renoirb: oh… sure.
2014-04-01 22:11:14 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: could run a full state with both log files tiled
2014-04-01 22:11:20 renoirb: s/tiled/tailed/
2014-04-01 22:13:18 renoirb: Nothing seem abnormal Ryan_Lane
2014-04-01 22:13:24 renoirb is creating a gist for the log files
2014-04-01 22:13:41 Ryan_Lane nods
2014-04-01 22:16:32 renoirb: https://gist.github.com/renoirb/57820e5bc73cca35c137
2014-04-01 22:16:46 renoirb: Ryan_Lane:
2014-04-01 22:17:07 renoirb: crap
2014-04-01 22:17:10 renoirb: private keys :/
2014-04-01 22:17:12 renoirb: deleted.
2014-04-01 22:17:22 renoirb: I’ll create a new one.
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2014-04-01 22:26:39 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: make it a private gist to the webplatform org. I'm also part of that org
2014-04-01 22:26:46 renoirb: ok
2014-04-01 22:26:56 Ryan_Lane: I guess volunteers are too, though, right?
2014-04-01 22:31:04 renoirb: Just sent you the gist url by email.
2014-04-01 22:31:13 renoirb: I truncated things.
2014-04-01 22:31:28 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: ^
2014-04-01 22:32:27 Ryan_Lane: hm. nothing abnormal in the strace
2014-04-01 22:32:34 Ryan_Lane: I wonder if we're missing something by only checking read/write
2014-04-01 22:32:42 Ryan_Lane: maybe it's just stating every file
2014-04-01 22:32:47 renoirb: uhm.
2014-04-01 22:32:50 renoirb: ok
2014-04-01 22:32:57 Ryan_Lane: am I still able to log into the infra?
2014-04-01 22:33:02 renoirb: so, with -e(what) ?
2014-04-01 22:33:06 Ryan_Lane: what bastion do I use?
2014-04-01 22:33:07 renoirb: yes
2014-04-01 22:33:14 Ryan_Lane: I can't login from here, but I will look at this when I get home
2014-04-01 22:33:22 renoirb: we do not have bastion, ‘deployment.webplatform.org’ will work.
2014-04-01 22:33:36 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-01 22:33:51 Ryan_Lane: ok. cool
2014-04-01 22:34:05 Ryan_Lane: did I mention I have a nice pretty web interface for the new deployment system? :)
2014-04-01 22:34:06 renoirb: thanks!
2014-04-01 22:34:12 renoirb: Trebuchet?
2014-04-01 22:34:18 renoirb: I cant wait to have a look at it.
2014-04-01 22:34:19 Ryan_Lane: it only shows status of deploys, but it's better than nothing :)
2014-04-01 22:34:48 renoirb: I like the idea of a status page
2014-04-01 22:35:19 renoirb: Also, to pick your brain on an other issue.
2014-04-01 22:35:27 Ryan_Lane: sure
2014-04-01 22:36:53 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: what do you recommend for database, replication tools. Have you tried Percona’s   replication manager, proxy and etc?
2014-04-01 22:37:12 Ryan_Lane: wikimedia uses something for this
2014-04-01 22:37:18 Ryan_Lane: I don't remember what it is
2014-04-01 22:37:23 Ryan_Lane: proxy is likely unnecessary
2014-04-01 22:37:29 renoirb: For logging ?
2014-04-01 22:37:39 Ryan_Lane: proxy would be for logging?
2014-04-01 22:37:49 renoirb: We had today an increase of DB connection and I could not say from what.
2014-04-01 22:37:57 Ryan_Lane: I actually don't know databases very well
2014-04-01 22:38:01 renoirb: Probably because I do not know how to search for that appropriately though.
2014-04-01 22:38:16 Ryan_Lane: well, you can see what's connected via show processlist \G
2014-04-01 22:38:46 renoirb: sure.
2014-04-01 22:38:56 Ryan_Lane: otherwise I don't really know
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2014-04-01 22:39:15 renoirb: Ok, i’ll have a stab at a PoC for a better database setup someday.
2014-04-01 22:39:21 Ryan_Lane: cool
2014-04-01 22:39:34 Ryan_Lane: how's openstack stuff going at dreamhost?
2014-04-01 22:39:41 Ryan_Lane: will it be ready to use sometime soon?
2014-04-01 22:40:00 renoirb: Very well!! We have 4 blade bare metal machine.  3 of them are running. one is in need of maintenance, it is currently in read-only mode.
2014-04-01 22:40:17 Ryan_Lane: right, but that's the temporary hardware they're giving us, right?
2014-04-01 22:40:20 renoirb: Tonight, my friend who installed it, is coming to fix it with me.
2014-04-01 22:40:22 Ryan_Lane: s/right//
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2014-04-01 22:41:00 Ryan_Lane: what about their public cloud that we'd eventually switch to?
2014-04-01 22:41:02 renoirb: depends of what they are giving us. We still need to be able to use their infrastructure. they are not ready
2014-04-01 22:41:10 Ryan_Lane nods
2014-04-01 22:41:36 renoirb: I like very much that setup, its nice to have a vanilla OpenStack cluster.  I had this at Ericsson, its so nice.
2014-04-01 22:41:54 Ryan_Lane: yeah, it's basically like them giving us a private cloud. it's hard to complain about that :)
2014-04-01 22:42:03 renoirb: yeah.
2014-04-01 22:42:17 renoirb: Do you have experience with MediaWiki and OAuth?
2014-04-01 22:42:25 Ryan_Lane: not really.
2014-04-01 22:42:30 renoirb: ok, nevermind :)
2014-04-01 22:42:30 Ryan_Lane: it's available in newer versions
2014-04-01 22:42:38 Ryan_Lane: and it's being used extensively at wikimedia
2014-04-01 22:42:51 renoirb: Which version should I always track? I do not understand the wmf branches
2014-04-01 22:43:05 Ryan_Lane: whichever is newest
2014-04-01 22:43:14 Ryan_Lane: they make a new branch every week or every other week
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2014-04-01 22:44:02 renoirb: So, any new branch in https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fcore  will do?
2014-04-01 22:44:14 Ryan_Lane: the newest wmf branch
2014-04-01 22:44:39 renoirb: … is that what they deploy?
2014-04-01 22:44:45 Ryan_Lane: yep
2014-04-01 22:44:45 renoirb: it feels like development releases
2014-04-01 22:44:49 Ryan_Lane: it's what runs wikipedia
2014-04-01 22:44:52 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-01 22:44:57 Ryan_Lane: it's the stablest thing you can get
2014-04-01 22:45:07 Ryan_Lane: except for the stable releases, of course
2014-04-01 22:45:10 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-01 22:45:26 Ryan_Lane: but those only occur every 6 months and there's no tracked compatibility with extensions
2014-04-01 22:45:30 renoirb: Mind If I prepare a sandbox VM and ask you to review if I broke something for an upgrade ?
2014-04-01 22:45:39 Ryan_Lane: the wmf branches also include all the wmf extensions with compatible versions
2014-04-01 22:45:54 Ryan_Lane: well, I'm actually not great at reviewing that
2014-04-01 22:46:06 Ryan_Lane: it's usually best to upgrade test, then let the users have at it
2014-04-01 22:46:28 renoirb: My sandbox will have a separate database server with a higher version, be on Ubuntu 12.04, and be built from scratch.
2014-04-01 22:46:35 renoirb: … behind fastly
2014-04-01 22:46:53 Ryan_Lane: hell, it's almost time to go with 14.04 :)
2014-04-01 22:46:54 renoirb: ok then Ryan_Lane, ill ask somebody else :)
2014-04-01 22:46:58 renoirb: I know!!
2014-04-01 22:47:01 renoirb: can’t wait
2014-04-01 22:47:18 renoirb: In fact, i’m actually waiting silently for that.
2014-04-01 22:47:24 Ryan_Lane: heh
2014-04-01 22:47:36 renoirb: My current focus is to implement OAuth for us.
2014-04-01 22:47:52 renoirb: To connect the wiki, the annotation service, and Dabblet.
2014-04-01 22:48:07 Ryan_Lane: ask csteipp, and anomie in #wikimedia-dev
2014-04-01 22:48:08 renoirb: dabblet doesnt require users, though.
2014-04-01 22:48:15 renoirb: for oauth?
2014-04-01 22:48:20 Ryan_Lane: yeah, they wrote it
2014-04-01 22:48:25 Ryan_Lane: oh, an aaron
2014-04-01 22:48:26 renoirb: nice!
2014-04-01 22:48:29 Ryan_Lane: who helped us with other things
2014-04-01 22:48:35 renoirb: yeah, aaron, ill talk to himn about it
2014-04-01 22:48:36 Ryan_Lane: in fact, you may be able to contract him again for this
2014-04-01 22:49:09 renoirb: Oh, nice.
2014-04-01 22:49:19 renoirb: BTW, I worked on top of Aaron’s work
2014-04-01 22:49:29 renoirb: Its deployed on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/
2014-04-01 22:49:31 renoirb: oops /test/
2014-04-01 22:50:14 renoirb: i read the new json, generate html, and cache in memcached
2014-04-01 22:50:21 Ryan_Lane: this is all coming from ESI? http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Tests/Compatibility_table_and_caching
2014-04-01 22:51:44 renoirb: No, but it still supports it.
2014-04-01 22:51:54 renoirb: We have to adjust the servers to use it behind fastly
2014-04-01 22:52:26 renoirb: one of the tweaks are that we need to not gzip between us and fastly
2014-04-01 22:52:32 renoirb: Its in my todo
2014-04-01 22:52:53 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Special:Compatables?feature=border-radius&format=table
2014-04-01 22:53:04 renoirb: and in the end it makes http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Special:Compatables?feature=border-radius&format=table&foresi=1
2014-04-01 22:53:11 renoirb: that gets surrounded in ESI tags.
2014-04-01 22:55:09 Ryan_Lane: cool
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2014-04-01 23:18:17 renoirb: Sorry for the delay, my friend just arrived
2014-04-01 23:18:23 renoirb: Thanks Ryan_Lane for your time
2014-04-01 23:18:35 Ryan_Lane: you're welcome
2014-04-01 23:18:59 renoirb: Do you have anything advertising Trebuchet Ryan_Lane ?
2014-04-01 23:19:08 renoirb: I’d like to see when I could start deploying it
2014-04-01 23:19:22 renoirb: and to use gitfs in salt
2014-04-01 23:20:13 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: it's in github
2014-04-01 23:20:19 Ryan_Lane: I haven't finished upstreaming it
2014-04-01 23:20:30 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: https://github.com/trebuchet-deploy
2014-04-01 23:20:37 renoirb: it was in case of whether you had a different place to document it
2014-04-01 23:20:44 Ryan_Lane: ah
2014-04-01 23:20:46 Ryan_Lane: I kind of do
2014-04-01 23:20:55 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
2014-04-01 23:21:01 Ryan_Lane: that's wikimedia specific, though
2014-04-01 23:21:07 renoirb: you think its possible to deploy?
2014-04-01 23:22:49 Ryan_Lane: I need to put a little bit of effort into writing the salt modules to install trebuchet
2014-04-01 23:24:01 Ryan_Lane: but otherwise, yeah, because we use a deployment server
2014-04-01 23:24:10 Ryan_Lane: if we deployed directly from github it would be hearder
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2014-04-01 23:33:50 renoirb: I might need to create a completely new git repo for /srv/salt though
2014-04-01 23:33:58 renoirb: Ryan_Lane: ^
2014-04-01 23:36:09 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: make a private repo
2014-04-01 23:36:14 Ryan_Lane: put all the private stuff into that
2014-04-01 23:36:20 Ryan_Lane: ideally in pillars
2014-04-01 23:36:35 Ryan_Lane: then include both public and private locations in the pillar roots config
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2014-04-03 16:12:56 renoirb: hooi
2014-04-03 16:13:13 renoirb: eliezerb: yt?
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2014-04-03 19:11:22 eliezerb: hey renoirb
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2014-04-03 19:17:11 renoirb: Hey!
2014-04-03 19:17:34 renoirb: Wanna try new version of MediaWiki?
2014-04-03 19:18:22 renoirb: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/  The database is using the test wiki database. Its a sandbox, newer version of Ubuntu, newer version of MySQL, newer version of MediaWiki
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2014-04-03 19:19:14 renoirb: eliezerb, Since you are among the power users of the community I’d like you give it a shot :)
2014-04-03 19:20:40 eliezerb: renoirb: I feel the smell of cool stuff comming
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2014-04-03 19:22:34 eliezerb: renoirb: I got a 500
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2014-04-03 19:25:42 renoirb: Sorry, i’m trying to enable database logging.
2014-04-03 19:25:46 renoirb: I want to test something more.
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2014-04-03 19:25:57 renoirb: should be fine now
2014-04-03 19:26:02 renoirb: eliezerb ^
2014-04-03 19:26:04 eliezerb: renoirb: I just saw some issues with style
2014-04-03 19:26:31 renoirb: some html might have changed. we will need to list and adjust them all.   I might refactor a bit the theme too.
2014-04-03 19:26:35 renoirb: lots of hardcoded things
2014-04-03 19:29:12 eliezerb: renoirb: And about the Semantic Forms?
2014-04-03 19:29:49 renoirb: Almost all extensions are enabled.
2014-04-03 19:29:54 renoirb: not all, i’m focussing on OAuth for now.
2014-04-03 19:30:00 eliezerb: Ohh
2014-04-03 19:30:01 eliezerb: cool!
2014-04-03 19:30:04 eliezerb: Sorry
2014-04-03 19:30:04 renoirb: SMW should be there and updated
2014-04-03 19:30:22 eliezerb: I'm feeling the website faster than before
2014-04-03 19:35:15 frozenice: renoirb: Java devs will cry about the StartCom cert :)
2014-04-03 19:36:21 renoirb: Hahaha
2014-04-03 19:36:40 renoirb: frozenice, just got a free cert!
2014-04-03 19:37:14 renoirb: I’m going to enforce MySQL through SSL everywhere, those will be self-signed with our own private key as the authority. But for the web… you know :)
2014-04-03 19:37:39 renoirb: frozenice, did you try the new /w/api.php endpoint I created?
2014-04-03 19:37:45 frozenice: seems to work
2014-04-03 19:38:15 renoirb: You can login through curl with:  curl -d "lgname=YOURUSER&lgpassword=YOURPASS&action=login&format=json" -XPOST 'https://ssl.webplatform.org/api/docs'
2014-04-03 19:38:16 frozenice: btw I've been using StartCom certs for, what, 5 years now or something
2014-04-03 19:38:31 renoirb: that was mostly for eliezerb though :)
2014-04-03 19:38:39 frozenice: even class 2 for wildcard / code sign
2014-04-03 19:38:50 renoirb: its a class 1
2014-04-03 19:38:56 frozenice: but Oracle still hasn't managed to include it as a trusted CA in Java
2014-04-03 19:39:09 renoirb: oh! that’s why you said that!!
2014-04-03 19:39:12 frozenice: aye
2014-04-03 19:39:22 frozenice: we use some at work too and we write Java code...
2014-04-03 19:39:31 renoirb: you still with Grails?
2014-04-03 19:39:45 frozenice: never used Grails
2014-04-03 19:40:00 renoirb: I thought you were
2014-04-03 19:40:09 frozenice: I just introduced Groovy
2014-04-03 19:40:21 renoirb: oh, right
2014-04-03 19:40:22 renoirb: haaha
2014-04-03 19:40:30 renoirb: Groovy on Rails :]
2014-04-03 19:40:32 frozenice: our (very) old CMS is using plain Java
2014-04-03 19:40:42 renoirb: Struts?
2014-04-03 19:40:49 renoirb: i mean, with struts?
2014-04-03 19:40:53 frozenice: nope
2014-04-03 19:40:58 frozenice: it is very old :P
2014-04-03 19:41:29 renoirb: a punch-card CMS?
2014-04-03 19:42:26 frozenice: well, it has some cool features but you can always write JSP code if a feature isn't there
2014-04-03 19:42:46 frozenice: but yeah, seems like Oracle is blocking the StartCom CA addition on purpose
2014-04-03 19:43:38 renoirb: Oracle :/
2014-04-03 19:44:01 renoirb: that’s why we have now Percona, MariaDB, SkySQL
2014-04-03 19:44:08 renoirb: Forks all the things!
2014-04-03 19:44:15 frozenice: we also switched some servers to MariaDB
2014-04-03 19:45:00 renoirb: I’m trying Percona with XTraDBCluster http://www.percona.com/resources/technical-presentations/introduction-percona-xtradb-cluster-percona-university-washington
2014-04-03 19:45:11 eliezerb: Oracle :(
2014-04-03 19:45:23 renoirb: I want to be able to have more than one server to use for writes.
2014-04-03 19:45:42 frozenice: I think the MariaDB Galera cluster can do that too
2014-04-03 19:47:26 renoirb: In fact, frozenice, the server answering behind http://sandbox.webplatform.org/  has many new things:   Percona XTraDB (mysql) 5.6  (instead of 5.1),   MediaWiki latest 1.23wmf (this time with no cut and paste code, git submodules, in progress to improve that too),    Ubuntu 12.04  (I might deploy with 14.04 though, but its not ready yet)
2014-04-03 19:47:56 frozenice: neat
2014-04-03 19:48:09 renoirb: yeah, that’s what I saw frozenice. In fact, MariaDB uses XTraDB as storage for cluster… too.
2014-04-03 19:48:22 frozenice: ah ok
2014-04-03 19:48:27 renoirb: so, since Percona already has packages ready and they are the maintainers :/
2014-04-03 19:49:13 renoirb: My friend Etienne (elcweb that doesnt come often here) has started this https://github.com/estheban/vagrant-percona
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2014-04-06 23:10:44 Garbee: renoirb: Did you see the golang wiki someone wrote with a git storage layer?
2014-04-06 23:10:59 renoirb: Hey Garbee
2014-04-06 23:11:05 Garbee: http://mehl.no:9000/
2014-04-06 23:11:05 renoirb: No i didnt
2014-04-06 23:11:39 Garbee: Very basic, but still interesting.
2014-04-06 23:11:57 Garbee: https://github.com/aspic/g-wiki  -- actual repo.
2014-04-06 23:12:55 renoirb: Nice!
2014-04-06 23:13:35 renoirb changed topic to: Discussions about web development and documenting its best-practices | Join the community! wpd.mx/WPD:Community
2014-04-06 23:13:56 renoirb: Discussions about web development and documenting its best-practices | Join the community! http://wpd.mx/WPD:Community
2014-04-06 23:14:34 renoirb: Did you see Persona Garbee ?
2014-04-06 23:14:45 Garbee: The browser ID thing Mozilla did?
2014-04-06 23:14:54 Garbee: That they aren't putting anymore effort into...
2014-04-06 23:16:33 renoirb: Yeah, I know.  But it feels more usable than WebID
2014-04-06 23:17:12 renoirb: WebID is nice, but instead of having gazilions of username+passwords, its going to be browser certificates. Shoveling the problem ahead
2014-04-06 23:17:43 renoirb: Whereas browserid, you can really get decentralized identification system
2014-04-06 23:18:11 renoirb changed topic to: Discussions about web development and documenting its best-practices | Join the community! http://wpd.mx/WPD:Community
2014-04-06 23:18:52 renoirb: I’m looking around for SSO, and I stumbled upon that.
2014-04-06 23:21:02 Garbee: SSO for what?
2014-04-06 23:21:20 renoirb: User accounts
2014-04-06 23:21:54 Garbee: There are quite a few providers/techs. I'm not sure if which something like WPD should get behind.
2014-04-06 23:22:21 Garbee: That second sentence sucked... Retrying in 3, 2, 1...
2014-04-06 23:22:29 renoirb: Yep. I have an idea now how to hook them together, but will require more than a module or two.
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2014-04-06 23:22:49 Garbee: I'm not sure if WPD should really pick one (or even a few) to use.
2014-04-06 23:23:37 Garbee: Since people will then complain their favorite isn't supported and they don't want to make an account directly.
2014-04-06 23:24:53 Garbee: iirc part of the session issues we had after launch were due to SSO stuff in part. The interaction between Q2A and the Wiki cookies.
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2014-04-07 00:30:57 renoirb: I get what you are talking about Garbee about the cookie part. SSO is more than only cookies, it also requires to make sure each complying components has the [login, account creation system]  overriden too
2014-04-07 00:31:33 renoirb: while having a way to recognize that MediaWiki user_id A is the same as WordPress user_id B.
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2014-04-07 10:32:58 chrismills: Garbee: only a bit of one password, which I have now changed ;-)
2014-04-07 10:33:08 chrismills: but not IRC...
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2014-04-07 17:50:17 jensimmons: Hey — where is a good place to see the in-progress Compatibility Tables information??
2014-04-07 17:50:24 jensimmons: renoirb? ^
2014-04-07 17:50:40 renoirb: in the test wiki
2014-04-07 17:50:55 jensimmons: could you grab me a URL?
2014-04-07 17:50:56 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/ gives a few pages already
2014-04-07 17:51:08 jensimmons: thanks
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2014-04-08 18:14:20 AmeliaBR: I appear to have just missed a weekly chat meeting, but is there anyone still here who can spare a few minutes to offer some guidance to a new contributor?
2014-04-08 18:14:56 eliezerb: Hello AmeliaBR! New contributors are always welcome!
2014-04-08 18:17:04 renoirb: Hi
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2014-04-08 18:17:10 renoirb: I’m updating a CSS file
2014-04-08 18:17:17 renoirb: if the site looks strange for a minute, its normal
2014-04-08 18:19:50 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: How could we help you? Did you check out the community page <http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community> ?
2014-04-08 18:20:07 AmeliaBR: Thanks eliezerb & hello renoirB.  Took a moment to find this page (hint: there are a few *too many* different, unlinked contribution guides/style guides/editing manuals easy for new users to get lost), but is this still valid reference for good ettiquitte when editing content: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2014-04-08 18:20:35 renoirb: we know that AmeliaBR, in fact that’s why we redesigned the homepage.
2014-04-08 18:20:52 renoirb: Homepage is the most recent attempt.
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2014-04-08 18:22:47 AmeliaBR: The homepage is a good welcome/overview.  But then the details...
2014-04-08 18:24:06 AmeliaBR: Anyway, I was planning to start small by just attacking the "needs summary" flag on existing pages.  Wanted to confirm that the  process of "checking out" an article by adding an editing comment was sufficient to avoid stepping on any toes.
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2014-04-08 18:26:57 eliezerb: renoirb: the Webplatform Wednesdays still are open?
2014-04-08 18:27:09 renoirb: its been a while we havent announced one.
2014-04-08 18:28:36 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: What kind of web technology you like more? CSS, JavaScript, HTML, SVG?
2014-04-08 18:28:44 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Where are you from?
2014-04-08 18:30:19 AmeliaBR: I'm good with CSS, SVG, HTML and basic Javascript (DOM manipulation etc, haven't done much with AJAX or the more specialized APIs).  I'm in Alberta Canada.
2014-04-08 18:30:22 renoirb: AmeliaBR: we have the page http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday   that can be useful
2014-04-08 18:31:33 renoirb: Montreal, Quebec here .
2014-04-08 18:31:54 renoirb: You can also look here AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/past_reports
2014-04-08 18:33:19 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/js_basic_facts_tasks
2014-04-08 18:33:37 eliezerb: ^ This page contains some tasks for JavaScript pages, they need some love
2014-04-08 18:35:08 AmeliaBR: OK.  But as I understand the structured weekly coordination of that has fizzled out?
2014-04-08 18:35:16 renoirb: Besides that, AmeliaBR, our community is pretty young. You are free to hang around
2014-04-08 18:36:46 renoirb: We need coordinators.
2014-04-08 18:41:01 AmeliaBR: @renoirb: Understood.  It's a big project, and while importing content from elsewhere may have gotten the ball rolling, it does mean that things are a bit disorganized.
2014-04-08 18:41:59 AmeliaBR: Anyway, I'll start poking around gently and I know where to find you all if I get stuck on specific questions.
2014-04-08 18:42:44 renoirb: That’s all good AmeliaBR  :)
2014-04-08 18:42:57 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Amazing!
2014-04-08 18:43:02 renoirb: My part here is to make sure the system is running. Although I could write docs, my time is fully taken there.
2014-04-08 18:48:49 AmeliaBR: @renoirb: Good to know.  Need someone like that in every project.
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2014-04-08 18:53:14 renoirb: If you want, I recently published the new homepage code that Jensimmons made.
2014-04-08 18:53:25 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org
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2014-04-11 02:52:24 renoirb: pong eliezerb
2014-04-11 02:52:35 renoirb: is everythin alright?
2014-04-11 02:54:11 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm writing an email about the new Flag System
2014-04-11 02:54:22 eliezerb: I'm not sure if I'm being clear
2014-04-11 02:54:49 eliezerb: Would you mind in read it to see if something is not making sense?
2014-04-11 02:54:59 renoirb: sure, send :)
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2014-04-11 03:07:14 eliezerb: renoirb: Just sent the email to the mailing list
2014-04-11 03:07:19 eliezerb: renoirb: thanks a lot!
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2014-04-13 02:41:21 AmeliaBR: Hey there.  Anyone with "delete" privileges available to help clean up a couple rookie mistakes???
2014-04-13 02:43:23 AmeliaBR: I'd stumbled across the CSS Data Type category page (http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Data_Type) and found it horrendously underpopulated, so decided I could make myself useful and fill in the missing entries.  However, I forgot to put in the full file path when creating the new pages, so the system didn't warn me that they already existed (just didn't have the Data Type category set).
2014-04-13 02:44:42 AmeliaBR: I have since fixed the categorization for the other pages, but I couldn't do more than flag for deletion the two pages that I created before I figured out what was going on.
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2014-04-14 04:01:39 renoirb: Are you talking about [0] and [1]?   [0] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/data_types  [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Data_Type
2014-04-14 04:03:01 AmeliaBR: @renoirb: the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/angle and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/length pages
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2014-04-14 04:03:26 renoirb: ok, let me have a look
2014-04-14 04:03:36 AmeliaBR: Created them in the wrong place, only to discover that same-named pages already existed when I tried to move them to the correct places!
2014-04-14 04:03:56 renoirb: oh, that one is “length” only where the other one is css/data_types/length, right?
2014-04-14 04:04:14 renoirb: Did you move the content from the path-less all over the other one?
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2014-04-14 04:05:06 renoirb: That’s fine! NP, also you could had moved the page. But since we do already have it, you can put it to “deletion candidate” (something you did)
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2014-04-14 04:05:17 renoirb: :)
2014-04-14 04:05:30 renoirb: you got all the right reflexes
2014-04-14 04:06:12 renoirb: AmeliaBR: ^
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2014-04-14 04:08:16 AmeliaBR: Thanks.  Getting the hang of it.  Most errors I can fix easily, only a couple little gotchas like that.
2014-04-14 04:08:31 AmeliaBR:   And yes, all the important content is now on the css/data_types/etc pages.  I'm just finishing up the one for keywords, then have to clean up the main listing pages and data types are all ready to go!
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2014-04-14 19:19:00 Garbee: So, when moving pages do we leave a redirect in place or go update all links pointing to the current page to the new URL before moving? I can't remember.
2014-04-14 19:21:17 frozenice: leave a redirect, we can run a bot to fix links later on
2014-04-14 19:24:33 Garbee: kk
2014-04-14 19:24:36 Garbee: thanks.
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2014-04-14 19:34:07 Garbee: I don't really think that stuff is relevant to keep in our docs.
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2014-04-15 17:05:58 julee: hi
2014-04-15 17:06:45 ptressel: o/
2014-04-15 17:08:35 renoirb: eliezerb: can you join
2014-04-15 17:08:39 renoirb: AmeliaBR: can you join VoIP?
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2014-04-15 17:09:36 AmeliaBR: I can try.  Wasn't sure if it was now or an hour from now.
2014-04-15 17:09:42 renoirb: its now :)
2014-04-15 17:09:50 renoirb: You have a VoIP client available?
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2014-04-15 17:10:00 renoirb: i can teach you how to have one if you dont
2014-04-15 17:10:14 renoirb: ping shepazu
2014-04-15 17:10:17 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm blocked by a proxy... I'll be on IRC
2014-04-15 17:10:27 renoirb: oh that’s a bummer
2014-04-15 17:10:52 eliezerb: renoirb: But I'll be focused on log
2014-04-15 17:10:57 renoirb: If you have good phone plan, +1.617.761.6200, Conference code: 3627 ("DOCS")
2014-04-15 17:11:39 AmeliaBR: Just got my phone bill, so I don't think I'll do that.  Might take a few minutes but I can download Skype...
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2014-04-15 17:16:06 renoirb: ok, download X-Lite, and create an account at ekiga
2014-04-15 17:16:24 julee: julee
2014-04-15 17:16:24 julee: 10:13
2014-04-15 17:16:24 julee: I'll scribe while renoirb talks...
2014-04-15 17:16:24 julee: 10:13
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2014-04-15 17:17:16 renoirb: Jérémie Patrionier
2014-04-15 17:17:36 jswisher: Patonnier
2014-04-15 17:17:39 julee: ... he's w/ MDN
2014-04-15 17:18:44 julee: … we can crawl, we can get a table, we can normalize what we get
2014-04-15 17:19:24 julee: … we modify, add notes or removing notes, for example, if it's mozilla-specific
2014-04-15 17:19:40 julee: … there's a limitation in the python pager
2014-04-15 17:20:06 julee: … we don't want to hammer the server, but crawl the pages once we get them
2014-04-15 17:20:08 renoirb: Apache Nutch
2014-04-15 17:20:13 renoirb: ptressel:
2014-04-15 17:20:15 renoirb: ohai :)
2014-04-15 17:20:21 ptressel: o/
2014-04-15 17:20:38 renoirb: we are talking about the crawler for the content to have it offline
2014-04-15 17:20:40 julee: … ptressel is doing this work with Nutch
2014-04-15 17:20:53 julee: … has a link...
2014-04-15 17:21:02 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/max-height#Testing_CompaTables
2014-04-15 17:21:07 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/break-before#Testing_CompaTables
2014-04-15 17:21:18 ptressel: ...or w/ a hand-written crawler in node.js if nutch isn't sufficiently configurable.
2014-04-15 17:21:25 julee: … in these pages, when mdn is matched, we extend the template.
2014-04-15 17:21:38 julee: … sometimes, we have to put the tag manually
2014-04-15 17:22:09 julee: … more efficient than reading json and generating page per visitor
2014-04-15 17:22:30 julee: … Next steps: do this with caniuse.com.
2014-04-15 17:22:44 julee: … compare and merge
2014-04-15 17:23:02 julee: julee: when will this be ready for the wiki pages?
2014-04-15 17:23:22 julee: renoirb: all css properties pages can be done right now.
2014-04-15 17:23:28 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn.json
2014-04-15 17:23:51 julee: … barrier: hugh json object key
2014-04-15 17:24:08 renoirb: search break-before
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2014-04-15 17:24:21 julee: julee: what are the steps to adding the json
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2014-04-15 17:25:02 julee: renoirb: clunky json. take svg, for example
2014-04-15 17:25:20 julee: … user has to search for json.
2014-04-15 17:25:31 julee: … I will make a prettified version
2014-04-15 17:25:32 mageemooney: part
2014-04-15 17:25:47 julee: … but it would take a lot of time
2014-04-15 17:26:05 julee: … contributor would search for the key
2014-04-15 17:26:19 julee: … I'm in this media query, so here's how it's called
2014-04-15 17:26:56 julee: julee: can renoirb write the steps out?
2014-04-15 17:27:20 julee: renoirb: will write out the steps and show how you can get the key (in a more user-friendly way)
2014-04-15 17:27:44 julee: AI: renoirb will do this in a week or so
2014-04-15 17:28:02 julee: renoirb: eliezerb did some work on the flags
2014-04-15 17:28:21 julee: … we should get eliezerb on a conference call
2014-04-15 17:29:02 julee: julee: what do you need from eliezerb?
2014-04-15 17:29:15 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm not able to join VoIP but we can do a quick hangout/skype conf later
2014-04-15 17:29:17 julee: renoirb: to know what he needs to finalize the flags.
2014-04-15 17:29:42 renoirb: yes
2014-04-15 17:29:46 renoirb: eliezerb ^
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2014-04-15 17:30:33 julee: eliezerb: we're done with this topic. Will you please email what you need to finalized the flags or get together with renoirb & shepazu to talk about any issues
2014-04-15 17:30:57 julee: next topic: content cleanup
2014-04-15 17:31:33 julee: renoirb: when I made the static site on github and we changed the home page
2014-04-15 17:31:58 julee: … nodejs static site generator. github clone to work on static site
2014-04-15 17:32:05 eliezerb: julee: we already have a an open thread about this -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Apr/0036.html
2014-04-15 17:32:12 julee: … stuff we don't need to generate dynamically
2014-04-15 17:32:30 julee: … I'm going to make a script to minify
2014-04-15 17:32:38 julee: … Jen suggested to change the menu as well
2014-04-15 17:32:47 julee: … we con't have "Issues" anymore
2014-04-15 17:33:01 julee: … where do we want it?
2014-04-15 17:33:29 julee: … I removed the "talk" menu item
2014-04-15 17:33:38 ravenzz: quit
2014-04-15 17:33:43 julee: … we still need "issues"
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2014-04-15 17:34:26 julee: … but Jen doesn't want it on the global nav
2014-04-15 17:36:10 renoirb: http://www.webplatform.org/talk/
2014-04-15 17:36:26 renoirb: http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/
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2014-04-15 17:36:33 julee: julee: but our primary persona is contributors who should file bugs
2014-04-15 17:36:44 renoirb: Lets defer for the next meeting about that
2014-04-15 17:37:01 julee: AI: Julee to email Jen & the list
2014-04-15 17:37:11 julee: re: removal of issues from global nav
2014-04-15 17:37:26 julee: topic: single sign-on
2014-04-15 17:37:37 julee: renoirb: needs help with the resource server
2014-04-15 17:37:54 julee: jswisher: sent renoirb information of team members whom he can ask
2014-04-15 17:38:54 renoirb: http://notes.webplatform.org/
2014-04-15 17:39:06 chrismills: Quit: Off to find beer and rock and roll...
2014-04-15 17:39:22 julee: topic: annotations system is live
2014-04-15 17:39:36 julee: renoirb wants to merge these accounts
2014-04-15 17:40:07 julee: … saw the code, saw why it wasn't working
2014-04-15 17:40:23 julee: … he'll be able to reuse what we already have
2014-04-15 17:42:14 frozenice: renoirb: remember to get the WebSocket __streamer__ for annotations up :)
2014-04-15 17:42:30 julee: meeting over.
2014-04-15 17:42:45 renoirb: [adjourned]
2014-04-15 17:43:32 renoirb: re merging account: use firefox accounts as an authentication system, and import user credentials from MW to be used in new system without asking users to create, yet again, a new password.
2014-04-15 17:43:47 renoirb: current status is in analysis phase
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2014-04-15 17:46:44 renoirb: re help with the resource server:   I’d need directions from Mozilla people who has experience with OAuth; configuring roles for each resource (e.g. mediawiki, annotation, etc)  and how to pre-authorize applications among them. In other words allow transparent usage connected apps and therefore not asking user confirmation when switching among them (e.g. MediaWiki, BugGenie, Hypothes.is).
2014-04-15 17:47:30 renoirb: what do you mean frozenice ?
2014-04-15 17:47:36 renoirb: the __streamer__ is not fixed yet?
2014-04-15 17:47:45 frozenice: doesn't look so
2014-04-15 17:47:53 frozenice: ws://notes.webplatform.org/__streamer__/000/aaaaaaaa/websocket
2014-04-15 17:48:24 frozenice: still: Error during WebSocket handshake: 'Connection' header value is not 'Upgrade': keep-alive
2014-04-15 17:48:25 renoirb: on which view you can create this bug?
2014-04-15 17:48:47 shepazu: ouch! sorry folks, I got caught up with the plumber, and didn't realize the time!!!!
2014-04-15 17:49:01 frozenice: it's on no view :P this is how my bot wants to connect to the streamer
2014-04-15 17:49:06 frozenice: works for hypothes.is
2014-04-15 17:49:46 shepazu: julee, jswisher, renoirb, I apologize :(
2014-04-15 17:50:19 renoirb: julee: I have a news for you
2014-04-15 17:50:39 renoirb: I fixed the sitemaps xml generation
2014-04-15 17:51:08 renoirb: julee: > http://www.webplatform.org/robots.txt
2014-04-15 17:51:09 julee: wow!
2014-04-15 17:51:13 julee: That's fantastic!!
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2014-04-15 17:51:34 renoirb: So, Its not automatic, but I got my head around it and have some notes to make it automated
2014-04-15 17:51:56 julee: Even if we run it occasionally, that'll be better than nothing!
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2014-04-15 17:52:05 renoirb: yup!
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2014-04-15 17:52:23 renoirb: In fact, that’s now part of the static pages project at https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org/
2014-04-15 17:52:55 julee: hey, renoirb: Some of the pages are getting stuck on "Waiting for available socket…"
2014-04-15 17:53:39 renoirb: When I’ll be done with the other sub projects [webplatform/mediawiki, webplatform/webplatform-wordpress-theme]  i’ll have things automated when somebody changes something, it regenerates, makes a zip file, and syncs it to all machines
2014-04-15 17:53:52 julee: That would be so cool
2014-04-15 17:54:06 renoirb: ok, ill have a look with hypothesis
2014-04-15 17:54:23 julee: k
2014-04-15 18:01:17 renoirb: Julee, have a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json
2014-04-15 18:02:18 julee: renoirb: pretty!
2014-04-15 18:02:43 julee: But then, what would be the next steps to getting this data into a page?
2014-04-15 18:03:53 renoirb: Have a look at the example at http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Tests/Compatibility_table_and_caching
2014-04-15 18:05:58 renoirb: you can edit a page julee, that one has the <compatability feature=“b” format=“table”></compatability>
2014-04-15 18:06:01 julee: Yes, there it's in the form of a table class="compat-table"
2014-04-15 18:06:42 renoirb: The way the HTML is generated is completely new. I can change the style easily, just that it wasnt the scope of my work ATM
2014-04-15 18:07:32 julee: Sorry, I typed that in before you mentioned editing a page.
2014-04-15 18:07:39 renoirb: I made sure it uses same HTML/CSS patterns… and that it doesnt break when you resize the browser.   Lets rework the CSS later :)
2014-04-15 18:07:46 julee: Right now, I'm unable to get to the editing page
2014-04-15 18:07:57 renoirb: I even added some a11y attributes to the columns
2014-04-15 18:08:11 renoirb: you have to be logged in, are you? (its in the /test/ wiki)
2014-04-15 18:08:45 julee: When I try to log in (http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Tests%2FCompatibility+table+and+caching)
2014-04-15 18:09:15 renoirb: you might have to create another account there
2014-04-15 18:09:18 renoirb: its a separate wiki
2014-04-15 18:09:31 renoirb: (that’d be also part of the single SignOn :)  )
2014-04-15 18:09:34 julee: I enter my password and select login, but it returns me to the page without logging me in
2014-04-15 18:09:51 julee: I had a login on the test pages before.
2014-04-15 18:10:34 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/User:Julee
2014-04-15 18:10:38 renoirb: you are there, that’s strange
2014-04-15 18:10:47 julee: yep.
2014-04-15 18:11:00 renoirb: let me see if i can override your password
2014-04-15 18:11:32 julee: same thing happened on another page: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/javascript/Array
2014-04-15 18:11:34 eliezerb: renoirb: same here
2014-04-15 18:11:44 eliezerb: If I try to log in the test wiki
2014-04-15 18:11:45 renoirb: uhm.
2014-04-15 18:11:47 renoirb: oh, right!!
2014-04-15 18:11:50 renoirb: Varnish!
2014-04-15 18:11:53 renoirb: I know why.
2014-04-15 18:11:58 julee: eliezerb: are you seeing the "waiting for available socket…" status message.
2014-04-15 18:11:59 renoirb: cookies
2014-04-15 18:11:59 eliezerb: I'm redirected even if the password is wrong
2014-04-15 18:12:18 renoirb: Its my fault, i forgot the test wiki :(
2014-04-15 18:12:24 julee loves cookies — most of the time. Sometimes they're stale.
2014-04-15 18:13:00 renoirb: Improved the caching layer, I forgot to add test wiki cookies
2014-04-15 18:13:11 eliezerb: oh wait
2014-04-15 18:13:46 renoirb: eliezerb: look here https://github.com/webplatform/varnish-configs/blob/master/docs.vcl#L64
2014-04-15 18:13:55 eliezerb: I guess that I'm only logged at the Login page
2014-04-15 18:14:05 julee: ha!
2014-04-15 18:19:34 renoirb: julee, eliezerb fixed!
2014-04-15 18:20:08 renoirb: I’m very sorry for that
2014-04-15 18:20:28 eliezerb: renoirb: 100% now :)
2014-04-15 18:20:33 renoirb: sure!
2014-04-15 18:21:16 eliezerb: thank you!
2014-04-15 18:21:28 eliezerb: renoirb: ASAP I'll check again the flag system on test wiki
2014-04-15 18:22:12 eliezerb: renoirb: I need to see another time that working then I mail you with some "new" ideia or something more precise
2014-04-15 18:22:24 renoirb: eliezerb: https://github.com/webplatform/varnish-configs/commit/be9434c05d270674ecdc11ea8aa62bb007de8ccd#diff-e22d86fbcc5f43f7e1a2b4fb14724db9
2014-04-15 18:22:44 eliezerb: renoirb: but for now our situation is that email topic that I sent you a couple of minutes ago
2014-04-15 18:22:52 renoirb: ok, let me see
2014-04-15 18:24:17 julee: renoirb: back to where you said "you can edit a page julee, that one has the <compatability feature=“b” format=“table”></compatability>"
2014-04-15 18:24:30 julee: now that I can log on, I see what you're saying.
2014-04-15 18:24:45 renoirb: see :)
2014-04-15 18:24:57 julee: But then, I'm confused as to why I'd ever want to view the json.
2014-04-15 18:25:17 renoirb: julee, easy; You are working on a documentation page
2014-04-15 18:25:18 julee: Is it to get the value of feature=[value]
2014-04-15 18:25:22 julee: yes
2014-04-15 18:25:43 renoirb: and you find where, in that json, is defined the compatibility information
2014-04-15 18:25:47 renoirb: you would add this tag.
2014-04-15 18:26:04 renoirb: … or have a SemanticMediaWiki form input to let you set that keyword.
2014-04-15 18:26:27 renoirb: precisely.
2014-04-15 18:26:30 julee: I'd add the compatibility tag, no problem. But what value do I need to look up in the raw json?
2014-04-15 18:26:41 renoirb: the first level key
2014-04-15 18:27:24 renoirb: In the json file, http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json, at  "battery-manager”,
2014-04-15 18:27:32 julee: OK, so just for clarification, are these the steps I'd take?
2014-04-15 18:27:32 renoirb: should match to our doc at … (searching) ...
2014-04-15 18:27:37 renoirb: yes
2014-04-15 18:27:53 julee: 1. Review the box-shadow page.
2014-04-15 18:28:00 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/battery_status/BatteryManager
2014-04-15 18:28:24 julee: 2. In edit mode, if it does not have the new compatibility tag, add it:
2014-04-15 18:28:41 julee: 2.a. Go to http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json
2014-04-15 18:28:59 julee: 2.b. Search for box-shadow
2014-04-15 18:29:23 svineet: part
2014-04-15 18:29:37 renoirb: (sometimes keywords doesnt match, like I showed here with ‘battery-manager’ … and “apis/battery_status/BatteryManager”)
2014-04-15 18:29:45 julee: 2.c. If box-shadow exists, add <compatability feature=“box-shadow” format=“table”></compatability> in edit mode
2014-04-15 18:29:58 renoirb: exactly, julee
2014-04-15 18:30:05 julee: If box-shadow does not exist, search for similar terms.
2014-04-15 18:30:11 renoirb: yes
2014-04-15 18:30:22 julee: 2.d. Otherwise, ask renoirb. ;-)
2014-04-15 18:30:25 julee: Got it!
2014-04-15 18:30:29 julee: Thanks renoirb.
2014-04-15 18:30:54 julee: SISTITH — sorry I'm so thick in the head
2014-04-15 18:31:35 renoirb: But in the case of CSS properties, it was easy. Because we map almost one-to-one with the address (e.g. css/properties/border-left) we can map to “border-left” directly and make a template for it http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/border-left
2014-04-15 18:32:01 julee: Oh, but, theoretically, we could do a script that would add the compatibility table info to a page based on a URL-JSON match, right?
2014-04-15 18:32:17 renoirb: That’s ok julee, transfering knowledge from somebody who had to wrap it all in his mind to somebody else is a sport… that is not easy :/
2014-04-15 18:32:29 julee: docs.wp.org…/box-shadow with json 1st node box-shadow...
2014-04-15 18:32:37 julee: I hear ya.
2014-04-15 18:32:42 renoirb: yes, i know. itll be improved
2014-04-15 18:33:15 renoirb: For now, we deal with what we have and we do not have collision. We’ll have eventually to separate the nest.
2014-04-15 18:33:15 julee: Also, you may want to change the tag name to compatibility (not compata…)
2014-04-15 18:33:27 julee: yes, makes sense
2014-04-15 18:33:31 renoirb: its not top level BTW, I just removed the useless stuff in the -human.json file.
2014-04-15 18:33:41 julee: ah got it.
2014-04-15 18:33:51 renoirb: (useless for this particular task)
2014-04-15 18:33:57 julee: y
2014-04-15 18:34:09 renoirb: Its a list of browser version, etc.
2014-04-15 18:34:21 julee: right
2014-04-15 18:34:21 renoirb: also, note that the “notes” part in the JSON is not used at all.
2014-04-15 18:34:59 julee: That's good, right? Then we won't overwrite any custom notes that folks have already put in?
2014-04-15 18:35:12 renoirb: its a sanity check, I copied over in that part of the nest so we can ensure once again if the mapping makes sense
2014-04-15 18:35:19 julee: UhOh. Late for an appt. Gotta go.
2014-04-15 18:35:29 renoirb: ok, glad you are up to date now!!
2014-04-15 18:35:30 renoirb: :)
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2014-04-15 18:41:56 AmeliaBR: @renoirB FYI that I did eventually get a VOIP/SIP set up (after spending too much time trying to figure out how I was supposed to be able to call in free from my Skype account), but the conference call must have ended by then -- got the "restricted at this time" message.  Next week?
2014-04-15 18:46:29 renoirb: AmeliaBR: let me get back to you (in a meeting ATM)
2014-04-15 18:46:36 renoirb: i’ll help you to set it up, np
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2014-04-15 20:37:21 renoirb: AmeliaBR: yt?
2014-04-15 20:38:14 AmeliaBR: I'm back
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2014-04-15 20:41:43 AmeliaBR: (pinging @renoirb)
2014-04-15 20:41:48 renoirb: ok AmeliaBR
2014-04-15 20:41:57 renoirb: so, you got an access to ekiga?
2014-04-15 20:42:21 renoirb: Sorry, a VoIP address.  Ekiga, https://ekiga.im/, has it free
2014-04-15 20:42:50 AmeliaBR: Yep.  I was able to get an Ekiga account and software working.
2014-04-15 20:43:30 AmeliaBR: Working in that I was calling in to the system and it was recognizing the conference code as valid, just no longer open for connections by that time.
2014-04-15 20:44:06 AmeliaBR: Any idea where the comment about "Skype users should be able to call in for free" came from / is that out of date?
2014-04-15 20:45:23 renoirb: I never succeeded to use it with skype for free
2014-04-15 20:45:29 renoirb: have a look in private, i created a test room
2014-04-15 20:45:31 renoirb: fo you to test
2014-04-15 20:45:39 renoirb: s/fo/for
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2014-04-15 21:13:19 Garbee: AmeliaBR: The skype thing is probably outdated. Originally we used one of the stewards' phone conference setups.
2014-04-15 21:13:56 Garbee: Not sure if that has changed though. It has been a long time since I participated in a telcon.
2014-04-15 21:18:20 AmeliaBR: Maybe there used to be a North America toll-free number?  And then people have been copying & pasting the same blurb without thinking about it...
2014-04-15 21:19:41 Garbee: Yea, the old conference system was that. A toll-free number that was called which connected to a conference system.
2014-04-15 21:19:51 Garbee: We then put in the code for the conference and were connected in.
2014-04-15 21:21:04 AmeliaBR: Ah well, I got it figured out eventually, and Renoir even set me up a test conference to ensure that I could hear him and he could hear me.  But I spent waaay too long looking at Skype help pages trying to figure out how to connect with SIP!
2014-04-15 21:21:38 Garbee: :(
2014-04-15 21:21:40 Garbee: I'm sorry.
2014-04-15 21:21:55 renoirb: AmeliaBR: the phone number is straight to Cambridge (Boston), MA at MIT
2014-04-15 21:22:25 Garbee: I'll be glad when I'm not working on this store site so much. Then I can work on W3Fools, and after that WPD again along with other documentation stuff I want to do.
2014-04-15 21:22:31 renoirb: Can you point out the pages you found (from your history) it would be worh adjusting!
2014-04-15 21:23:22 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings
2014-04-15 21:23:44 Garbee: That whole telcon info section needs updating.
2014-04-15 21:23:50 Garbee: We deprecated the -site room.
2014-04-15 21:23:51 AmeliaBR: This is the useful page I found about the MIT/W3 conference: http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP
2014-04-15 21:24:02 AmeliaBR: and http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP-tips
2014-04-15 21:24:29 AmeliaBR: (tele)conference (system)
2014-04-15 21:27:08 AmeliaBR: @Garbee Yes, I must have stumbled across that previously, because I know I was expecting to just dial in a 1-800 number
2014-04-15 21:27:51 Garbee: I'm not seeing anything else on the docs currently with skype even mentioned except for some a11y stuff in the docs themselves.
2014-04-15 21:28:15 renoirb: This system is not young at all, btw
2014-04-15 21:28:20 Garbee: Also, you can save yourself the @ symbol when mentioning us.
2014-04-15 21:28:39 Garbee: Just saying our nicks does fine. The @ just represents our Op privs.
2014-04-15 21:29:12 renoirb: At MIT, we have a few bots. One to take care of the line (“Zakim”) one for generating the minutes (but we have to be on same channel, we only have it on irc.w3.org that is a public IRC network too), and one that sends bugs to issue tracker from IRC
2014-04-15 21:29:20 renoirb: W3C works heavily via IRC
2014-04-15 21:29:30 AmeliaBR: That page *does* redirect to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/Content, which is up-to-date.  But having the out-of-date material is distracting.
2014-04-15 21:29:52 renoirb: Yeah, the @ just means Operator in IRC symbols
2014-04-15 21:30:11 Garbee: renoirb: Am I hearing that I should join another IRC network?
2014-04-15 21:30:15 Garbee: :P
2014-04-15 21:30:31 AmeliaBR: (and thanks for the tips, Garbee, wasn't sure it would ping without the extra symbols)
2014-04-15 21:30:50 Garbee: Yup, pings perfect! ;)
2014-04-15 21:31:39 renoirb: Oh, that :)
2014-04-15 21:31:55 renoirb: AmeliaBR, irc.w3.org is also available for the public.
2014-04-15 21:31:59 Garbee: rofl. I can't deop myself here.
2014-04-15 21:32:30 renoirb: Team member has access to special rooms that aren’t accessible tot he public. If you /whois renoirb on irc.w3.org you will see I have team.cloak
2014-04-15 21:32:38 renoirb: Same for shepazu
2014-04-15 21:33:08 Garbee: I think I do enough support on Freenode. Not sure if I could handle another network. :/
2014-04-15 21:33:10 renoirb: So, if you want to see the bleedingest (sic) just go to irc.w3.org on #css and see how webstandards are made!
2014-04-15 21:33:18 Garbee: Then again, I bet the W3 IRC is more technically minded.
2014-04-15 21:33:46 renoirb: its for members to collaborate, and public to read the meetings.
2014-04-15 21:34:16 renoirb: Also, if you want, you can follow the mailing lists from here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
2014-04-15 21:34:30 renoirb: And, the community groups at https://w3.org/community
2014-04-15 21:34:50 renoirb: but… for web developers that actually make web pages, its too technical.
2014-04-15 21:35:02 renoirb: Generally conversations are about how the browser should ...
2014-04-15 21:35:04 renoirb: (do things)
2014-04-15 21:35:09 Garbee: also, #whatwg on *this* (freenode) network.
2014-04-15 21:35:15 AmeliaBR: I'm not sure if you're trying to suck me in or scare me away...
2014-04-15 21:35:57 Garbee: AmeliaBR: imo, hang around if you can separate the noise that you can't understand, that way you can find awesome stuff out that you may not have known before.
2014-04-15 21:36:20 Garbee: I am in like 30 rooms in Freenode for that reason. I go through logs of discussion and find neat tricks and things that show up.
2014-04-15 21:37:21 renoirb: hahaha AmeliaBR
2014-04-15 21:37:36 renoirb: no, just telling you what is what, in case you are interrested
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2014-04-15 21:37:59 renoirb: I wished I learned this when I started professionnaly
2014-04-15 21:38:21 renoirb: I might have started reading the mailing lists before. I learned so much just by doing that.
2014-04-15 21:39:18 Garbee: oh wow, there is a payments room.
2014-04-15 21:39:27 Garbee: But, only one other person. :(
2014-04-15 21:40:01 Garbee: I actually need to look into that. I've seen almost nothing from the payments WG.
2014-04-15 21:40:10 Garbee: I wonder what is up with it.
2014-04-15 21:40:48 AmeliaBR: Fair enough.  Scanning the mailing list archives is a good way to keep track of what's up. <renoir>   Not much it looks like: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-payments/ <Garbee>
2014-04-15 21:41:34 Garbee: ah yea nothing really. :(
2014-04-15 21:41:52 Garbee: Working on an ecommerce thing, a payment API standard would be epic.
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2014-04-15 21:46:53 renoirb: you tried Stripe Garbee ?
2014-04-15 21:47:00 Garbee: Yup.
2014-04-15 21:47:05 Garbee: Stripe has a very nice API.
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2014-04-15 21:47:25 Garbee: and a dev sandbox that works. :P (Shaking fist at Paypal here.)
2014-04-15 21:48:43 renoirb: Have also a look at APIary
2014-04-15 21:48:53 renoirb: http://apiary.io/
2014-04-15 21:49:09 renoirb: it allows you to create API and documentation
2014-04-15 21:49:15 Garbee: ugh, I hate living where I do. No conferences are anywhere near me. :(
2014-04-15 21:49:37 renoirb: with mock data so you can work with your logic and the API without making the backend right away, it gives also logging on attempts while developing
2014-04-15 21:49:45 renoirb: you are in Oregon?
2014-04-15 21:50:03 Garbee: Southern Virginia. :(
2014-04-15 21:50:17 Garbee: But, might as well be Oregon.
2014-04-15 21:51:03 renoirb: I have no idea. I’m a frenchie from Québec
2014-04-15 21:51:04 renoirb: :)
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2014-04-15 21:51:52 renoirb: I just looked where South Virginia is, that’s not close to water :/
2014-04-15 21:53:26 Garbee: We are kinda close to Smith Mountain Lake.
2014-04-15 21:53:33 Garbee: I live just outside of Lynchburg.
2014-04-15 21:54:59 Garbee: +1 to apiary.
2014-04-15 21:55:03 Garbee: This thing looks awesome.
2014-04-15 21:56:13 renoirb: In my life, I only went to (and around) Boston, New-York, Chicago, Pompano Beach, Miami. That is all.
2014-04-15 21:57:32 Garbee: I've been down to Orlando (driving) for a comic convention with my dad (megacon.)
2014-04-15 21:57:39 Garbee: Lived in Charlotte, NC for two years as a kid.
2014-04-15 21:58:06 Garbee: And Google flew me out to Mountain View for a Doc sprint in Dec 2012.
2014-04-15 21:58:18 Garbee: Other than that, I've mostly just been here.
2014-04-15 21:58:49 Garbee: Washington DC on a school trip for one day (few times actually. Different schools.) and then VA Beach for some vacations.
2014-04-15 21:58:57 Garbee: That is the extent of my travels.
2014-04-15 21:59:43 renoirb: you never got out of USA?
2014-04-15 22:00:22 Garbee: Nope.
2014-04-15 22:00:24 Garbee: :(
2014-04-15 22:00:56 Garbee: Once I get done with this store site and am working on WPD again, I should probably try to find a way to one of the international doc sprints.
2014-04-15 22:01:01 Garbee: That would be awesome.
2014-04-15 22:01:25 Garbee: btw, https://codio.com --- Online IDE. Pretty nifty.
2014-04-15 22:02:00 Garbee: Been using it lately, other than some pretty major intermittent issues the past two weeks it has been awesome.
2014-04-15 22:02:48 renoirb: cool.
2014-04-15 22:03:01 renoirb: I try to focus on vim and when I must use a mouse, sublime text
2014-04-15 22:03:17 renoirb: must as in, my human behavior kicks in :D
2014-04-15 22:03:19 Garbee: yea, I have vim keybindings on.
2014-04-15 22:03:20 Garbee: :D
2014-04-15 22:03:32 Garbee: I *love* vim for local editing.
2014-04-15 22:03:43 Garbee: But, this keeps my dev system stable and out of my hands.
2014-04-15 22:03:51 Garbee: Plus, works on my Chromebook. :D
2014-04-15 22:05:01 renoirb: do you use visual mode?
2014-04-15 22:05:18 Garbee: From time-to-time.
2014-04-15 22:05:26 renoirb: in horizontal?
2014-04-15 22:05:28 Garbee: Mainly when I'm re-indenting certain chunks of code.
2014-04-15 22:05:30 renoirb: sorry, vertical?
2014-04-15 22:05:45 Garbee: You mean my monitor orientation?
2014-04-15 22:06:02 renoirb: no, I wanted to know what you know that I dont, and vice-versa
2014-04-15 22:06:37 Garbee: I have no clue what the orientation is referring too.
2014-04-15 22:06:40 renoirb: I do a few quirks such as executing command with :! , regexes with :%s/from/to/
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2014-04-15 22:06:49 Garbee don't regex.
2014-04-15 22:07:21 Garbee: I don't get how to regex. Not a skill I have needed yet.
2014-04-15 22:07:52 Garbee: https://github.com/garbee/dotvim  --My needs are pretty simple.
2014-04-15 22:07:59 renoirb: if you get in [ESC] and do [CTRL]+[v] and move your cursor down. You can then do [shIft]+[i] and type. When you [ESC], then :   it’ll do the same that you typed.
2014-04-15 22:08:05 renoirb: b = goes word backward
2014-04-15 22:08:12 renoirb: w = goes word forward
2014-04-15 22:08:44 Garbee: ah, those are the jump commands!
2014-04-15 22:08:47 renoirb: learn the basics without dotfiles.  I can tell you, I have a curse at the moment.
2014-04-15 22:08:51 Garbee: I had been looking for those.
2014-04-15 22:09:09 Garbee: (too lazy to RTFM and apparently haven't been able to find the right keywords for Google.)
2014-04-15 22:09:10 renoirb: I learned screen with replacing [CTRL]+[a]   with [ctrl]+[j]
2014-04-15 22:09:13 renoirb: and now i cannot unlearn
2014-04-15 22:09:27 renoirb: oh
2014-04-15 22:09:49 Garbee: I don't get what to call the commands where you actually quick jump around the document.
2014-04-15 22:09:58 Garbee: like Ctrl + A is end of line,then insert mode.
2014-04-15 22:10:05 Garbee: but I don't know how to get to the beginning. :(
2014-04-15 22:10:10 Garbee: Although, that one I can probably Google.
2014-04-15 22:10:37 Garbee: argh. ofc, I search that one, and get a good cheatsheet: http://www.worldtimzone.com/res/vi.html
2014-04-15 22:10:43 Garbee: fml
2014-04-15 22:11:05 Garbee: I spent a whole day looking for a navigation cheatsheet like this.
2014-04-15 22:11:12 Garbee: (few months ago.)
2014-04-15 22:16:06 renoirb: begining is easy Garbee
2014-04-15 22:16:10 renoirb: escape 0
2014-04-15 22:16:29 renoirb: to get to a line its escape :34
2014-04-15 22:16:31 renoirb: to go to line 34
2014-04-15 22:16:43 renoirb: in a json file, to format it
2014-04-15 22:16:48 renoirb: :%! python -m json.tool
2014-04-15 22:17:28 renoirb: % means take in put from current file,   ! means that its to execute something, then python -m json.tool is to use the json.tool utility to pretty format it
2014-04-15 22:18:36 renoirb: if you are in a place where you want to delete a word
2014-04-15 22:18:42 renoirb: esc, dw  will delete word
2014-04-15 22:18:57 renoirb: or a line from where you are: esc d$
2014-04-15 22:19:03 renoirb: $ is end of line
2014-04-15 22:19:19 renoirb: % is next matching bracket ({}, <>)
2014-04-15 22:19:51 Garbee: ah, to delete a line I always Shift + V and dd
2014-04-15 22:20:03 Garbee: d$ seems much faster. :P
2014-04-15 22:21:51 renoirb: yes, SHIFT + V is for lines
2014-04-15 22:22:05 renoirb: and if you do ctrl+u  and ctrl+d
2014-04-15 22:22:07 renoirb: goes up and down
2014-04-15 22:22:21 renoirb: get used with those, youll see :)
2014-04-15 22:23:27 Garbee: I'll need to go over all that again later. :P
2014-04-15 22:23:36 Garbee: Focusing on a DB structure right now.
2014-04-15 22:23:45 Garbee: Product variations suck.
2014-04-15 22:23:47 Garbee: :(
2014-04-15 22:24:46 renoirb: Doctrine2?
2014-04-15 22:24:53 Garbee: I think I may just hash the keys together. Use that as an identifier.
2014-04-15 22:24:57 Garbee: Nah, eloquent.
2014-04-15 22:25:04 renoirb: let me have a look.
2014-04-15 22:25:18 renoirb: As I recall, the de-facto respected standard is Doctrine2 those days.
2014-04-15 22:25:36 Garbee: I need a way to identify product variations. i.e. one product can have 6 different variations (some even a few dozen variations due to colors.)
2014-04-15 22:25:41 renoirb: I validated with Python SQLAlchemy guys and explained what Doctrine2 says and its what the good ORMs does
2014-04-15 22:25:51 Garbee: Storing all variations and their values in their own table, relating back to the main product to which they belong.
2014-04-15 22:26:51 renoirb: you see, soft delete is a good pattern.
2014-04-15 22:27:00 Garbee: Yea, eloquent has soft deletes.
2014-04-15 22:27:02 renoirb: But it should not be part of ORM.
2014-04-15 22:27:06 Garbee: What is it you want to look at exactly?
2014-04-15 22:27:14 renoirb: ORM is ONLY about Object Relation Maps.
2014-04-15 22:27:16 renoirb: Not behavior.
2014-04-15 22:27:36 Garbee: http://laravel.com/docs/eloquent  --Docs to eloquent.
2014-04-15 22:27:42 renoirb: If you want behaviuor, you can add @ORM\LifecycleEvents annotation to a Doctrine2 entity.
2014-04-15 22:28:09 renoirb sounds opinionated, sorry for that.  If you were to use Doctrine2, I coudl actually guide you.
2014-04-15 22:28:20 renoirb: i’m in the eloquent docs :)
2014-04-15 22:28:25 renoirb: that’s why I’m saying this;
2014-04-15 22:29:00 renoirb: The nice thing is that you do not need an annotation reader, like symfony.
2014-04-15 22:29:04 Garbee: Yea. I just went with what Laravel provides. It has gotten the job done well so far.
2014-04-15 22:29:06 renoirb: But I never tried it.
2014-04-15 22:29:18 Garbee: Better than what i was using anyways. :P
2014-04-15 22:29:22 renoirb: Sure.
2014-04-15 22:29:34 renoirb: I’m sure you can use Doctrine2 into laravel
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2014-04-15 22:30:33 Garbee: yup, you could.
2014-04-15 22:30:46 Garbee: Let me go check out the doctrine docs on that.
2014-04-15 22:30:56 Garbee: Maybe it will let me think of a way to do it in Eloquent.
2014-04-15 22:33:48 renoirb: the architecture seems to be different.
2014-04-15 22:34:22 renoirb: Eloquent makes me think of how Propel 1 worked
2014-04-15 22:34:50 renoirb: i might be wrong. I looked at documentation for five minutes only
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2014-04-15 22:38:46 Garbee: Laravel/Eloquent
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2014-04-16 02:55:03 renoirb: Garbee: Doctrine2 does all of what I’m talking about. Doctrine has a clear separation between common libraries to handle resultsets (regardless they come out off MongoDB, or MySQL), the connection layer (“DBAL”), the ORM, the ODM (for MongoDB), and on top of that, doctrine uses Symfony EventDispatcher; with that you have a set of events that you can create subscribers to handle.
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2014-04-16 02:56:27 renoirb: And compared to Laravel+eloquent its one package back again like the old time.  I might be wrong.  Just that its been heavily inspired by Hibernate2 that is based on Hibernate1 that was already good in the java world.
2014-04-16 02:56:43 renoirb: And I feel that Eloquent is not leveraging the lessons learned.
2014-04-16 02:56:47 renoirb: that is all.
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2014-04-16 08:41:47 Garbee: Yes, it kinda sucks for people that have used non-inclusive things. But for people that haven't touched one or just like the API that is the easiest to get running in, Eloquent is fine. Especially for teaching others.
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2014-04-17 22:48:09 kiy: all is well Garbee
2014-04-17 22:48:20 Garbee: ah, already lurking.
2014-04-17 22:48:21 Garbee: ;)
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2014-04-17 23:07:09 Garbee: So... Should we have security information in the docs? i.e. Like the Security warning of HTTP vs HTTPS in the remarks section of html/elements/form. ( http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/form )
2014-04-17 23:07:42 Garbee: I'm thinking, we can dump that. It is something you will pick up if you start messing with a backend at all for submitting stuff to.
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2014-04-17 23:47:45 tandroid: Do you need a different login for editing docs than you do for just adding comments and whatnot on webplatform.org?
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2014-04-18 00:33:00 shepazu: tandroid, we're working hard on doing single sign-on to give you one login
2014-04-18 00:33:53 tandroid: shepazu, awesome, I was just using the sidebar and it wasn't working but I figured it out.
2014-04-18 00:34:13 shepazu: tandroid, sorry, that's sorta transitional :P
2014-04-18 00:34:41 tandroid: No worries, the whole thing is a work in progress right?
2014-04-18 00:34:50 shepazu: heh, some parts more than others
2014-04-18 00:34:58 tandroid: I just heard about it today but I love the idea
2014-04-18 00:35:03 shepazu: :D
2014-04-18 00:35:45 shepazu: tandroid, where'd you hear about us?
2014-04-18 00:36:42 tandroid: #web channel
2014-04-18 00:36:48 tandroid: Somebody was talking about adding an article
2014-04-18 00:37:01 tandroid: or three I believe :)
2014-04-18 00:38:30 shepazu: ya!
2014-04-18 00:38:36 shepazu: yay!
2014-04-18 00:39:35 tandroid: I just wish I was smarter so I could contribute more haha
2014-04-18 00:40:24 Garbee: tandroid: That would be me editing things. :P
2014-04-18 00:40:36 Garbee: Thanks for coming on over!
2014-04-18 00:40:39 tandroid: Ah yeah it was you
2014-04-18 00:40:59 tandroid: Happy to help if I can!
2014-04-18 00:41:16 Garbee: Good, we need lots of it.
2014-04-18 00:41:29 Garbee: What are you comfortable with in web development?
2014-04-18 00:41:49 tandroid: CSS mostly. I wouldn't call myself an expert in anything else really
2014-04-18 00:42:08 tandroid: But I feel like that's what most people are good at
2014-04-18 00:42:13 Garbee: Well, plenty of stuff to still be done there (although the CSS Properties are pretty well covered already.)
2014-04-18 00:42:35 Garbee: Most people good at CSS?
2014-04-18 00:42:37 Garbee: You crazy.
2014-04-18 00:42:39 kiy: added to autojoin garbee
2014-04-18 00:43:14 tandroid: Garbee, well that's true. But I would say more people are good at CSS than JavaScript
2014-04-18 00:43:30 kiy: ofc
2014-04-18 00:43:30 Garbee: Sure. Most people can get around.
2014-04-18 00:43:34 Garbee: Layouts still a PITA. :P
2014-04-18 00:43:53 shepazu: flexbox ftw!
2014-04-18 00:44:01 Garbee: Sadly, I think most people are better at CSS than HTML.
2014-04-18 00:44:11 Garbee: shepazu: Not for full page layouts yet. Bad performance. :(
2014-04-18 00:44:39 Garbee: (trying to find the post on it.)
2014-04-18 00:45:24 shepazu: Garbee, maybe our pages should include perf impact, in addition to browser support?
2014-04-18 00:45:46 Garbee: http://jakearchibald.com/2014/dont-use-flexbox-for-page-layout/
2014-04-18 00:46:02 Garbee: Um, that would be hard.
2014-04-18 00:46:08 Garbee: Because perf impact depends on *how* you use it.
2014-04-18 00:46:41 tandroid: shepazu, there should be a section on "What not to do"
2014-04-18 00:46:52 tandroid: That would be a long section haha
2014-04-18 00:47:01 tandroid: Nevermind, bad idea
2014-04-18 00:47:02 Garbee: What not to do can be made as-needed.
2014-04-18 00:47:02 kiy: ugh that guy's blog
2014-04-18 00:47:11 kiy: LOOK AT MEHH IM ORANGE
2014-04-18 00:47:16 Garbee: kiy: What? Bad design?
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2014-04-18 00:47:37 Garbee tends to ignore any design if the content is good enough.
2014-04-18 00:47:57 kiy: i can't ignore it when the header is so orange
2014-04-18 00:48:00 kiy: very contrast
2014-04-18 00:48:01 kiy: wow
2014-04-18 00:48:27 kiy: almost looks like it's floating
2014-04-18 00:49:33 Garbee: tandroid: How are you with actual informative/general writing? i.e. Writing full articles explaining a topic.
2014-04-18 00:50:22 Garbee: (Don't worry though, what I have in mind right now you won't be *fully* writing stuff. Just going through and fixing pre-existing stuff up.)
2014-04-18 00:50:28 tandroid: Garbee: To be honest, I don't really know because I haven't written much.
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2014-04-18 00:51:38 tandroid: I wouldn't mind doing that kind of stuff
2014-04-18 00:52:04 Garbee: Take a look at the CSS Tutorials: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/tutorials
2014-04-18 00:52:17 Garbee: Some are full imported articles that need to be fixed up.
2014-04-18 00:52:25 Garbee: Others are just stub placeholders to be filled in.
2014-04-18 00:52:36 Garbee: (Like Creating CSS Gradients)
2014-04-18 00:53:14 Garbee: That would be a fantastic place perhaps to get started if you don't feel daunted doing it (since they can get quite detailed.)
2014-04-18 00:53:50 tandroid: Garbee: Alright, I'll take a look and see what I can do.
2014-04-18 00:54:23 Garbee: and if you want to give a shot at actual technical docs, the functions section needs some TLC: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/functions
2014-04-18 00:54:45 Garbee: So those are two good places to start out with if you are comfortable with CSS.
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2014-04-18 00:56:21 tandroid: Garbee, great thanks!
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2014-04-18 00:57:22 Garbee: Functions and other technical docs will probably suite the majority of people better. You can get one done a day (or even one every few days) and would be contributing hugely.
2014-04-18 01:01:46 Garbee: tandroid: And one final piece of advice for editing, the system is on MediaWiki, so we use Wiki Syntax instead of what most people expect which is Markdown. So if you haven't dealt with the syntax much, here is a good reference: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
2014-04-18 01:02:09 Garbee: Sadly we still don't have a WYSIWYG editor in place for content within the template system. :(
2014-04-18 01:02:27 tandroid: Alright, yeah I actually have that link up right now
2014-04-18 01:03:25 Garbee: I'm personally dragging myself upstairs to bed. So enjoy your editing experience (hopefully) and ask questions if you have any trouble.
2014-04-18 01:03:53 Garbee: Just know you may need to wait until tomorrow, since the room is pretty dry from now until about 7 or 8AM EST time generally.
2014-04-18 01:04:02 Garbee: Later.
2014-04-18 01:10:56 tandroid: Alright sounds good. thanks for the info!
2014-04-18 01:15:11 paul_irish: eliezerb: people keep telling me you're the man.
2014-04-18 01:15:19 paul_irish: i believe it! :)
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2014-04-18 01:20:45 tandroid: How long has this project been going?
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2014-04-18 01:47:11 eliezerb: paul_irish: lol
2014-04-18 01:47:21 eliezerb: paul_irish: Not even close
2014-04-18 01:49:00 renoirb: I think you did a good job, eliezerb :)
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2014-04-18 01:52:36 eliezerb: renoirb: I was talking yesterday with julee, and told her that I really can't imagine myself away from WPD
2014-04-18 01:53:25 eliezerb: renoirb: 24th april will be my one year birthday here
2014-04-18 01:53:37 renoirb: seriously, that's cool
2014-04-18 01:53:58 renoirb: Congrats!
2014-04-18 01:54:08 renoirb: I do not see myself without being invoved in WPD myself either!
2014-04-18 01:59:57 tandroid: Guys, I made my first update. YAY!
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2014-04-18 02:00:04 eliezerb: renoirb: Do you have any ideia when we could localizate WPD landing page?
2014-04-18 02:00:11 eliezerb: s/localizate/localize
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2014-04-18 02:00:42 renoirb: Hey, congrats tandroid! Join the club!
2014-04-18 02:00:56 eliezerb: tandroid: \o/
2014-04-18 02:00:59 renoirb: I have this question in mind
2014-04-18 02:01:03 tandroid: Thanks, I just added some flags haha.
2014-04-18 02:01:22 tandroid: Gotta start somewhere!
2014-04-18 02:01:35 eliezerb: renoirb: Did you see MDN translation platform?
2014-04-18 02:02:14 renoirb: not much.
2014-04-18 02:02:40 renoirb: We are moving things toward nodejs and in case of static files too.
2014-04-18 02:02:53 renoirb: maybe we will have to make a docpad multilingual extension
2014-04-18 02:03:08 renoirb: in fact it shouldn't be that hard to do.
2014-04-18 02:03:28 eliezerb: renoirb: nodejs? Wow!
2014-04-18 02:03:41 renoirb: see: https://github.com/bevry/docpad  "Automatically translate your entire website into other languages with our Translation Plugin - under construction, coming soon"
2014-04-18 02:03:44 eliezerb: renoirb: Sounds good!
2014-04-18 02:03:58 renoirb: At the moment, i'm working to have SSO
2014-04-18 02:04:10 renoirb: Look there http://208.113.157.128:3030/signup
2014-04-18 02:04:26 renoirb: but I have to look for database, how to connect, how to validate, etc.
2014-04-18 02:04:36 renoirb: and, of course, to theme
2014-04-18 02:04:49 eliezerb: renoirb: Can I create an account?
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2014-04-18 02:04:55 renoirb: no
2014-04-18 02:04:59 renoirb: its only the frontend
2014-04-18 02:05:04 renoirb: it will fail
2014-04-18 02:05:11 renoirb: that's what i'm working on.
2014-04-18 02:05:20 gluxon: part
2014-04-18 02:05:33 renoirb: Also, there's that, that's coming https://ssl.webplatform.org/review/#/q/status:open,n,z
2014-04-18 02:05:36 eliezerb: renoirb: nice! I'll look aroung about the flags
2014-04-18 02:05:38 renoirb: but wont be at this address
2014-04-18 02:05:43 eliezerb: s/aroung/around
2014-04-18 02:06:14 renoirb: So usual contributors will have access to more private repositories.
2014-04-18 02:06:28 renoirb: to repositories that has private data
2014-04-18 02:06:38 eliezerb: renoirb: Looks cool
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2014-04-18 02:09:29 renoirb: eliezerb have a look at https://github.com/bevry/docpad/issues/17
2014-04-18 02:12:24 eliezerb: renoirb: This is the same issue that we are having?
2014-04-18 02:12:49 renoirb: It is about having content in multiple languages
2014-04-18 02:12:59 renoirb: with docpad, what we are using for the homepage
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2014-04-18 02:16:06 eliezerb: renoirb: I'll clone https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org and look the code :)
2014-04-18 02:16:20 eliezerb: renoirb: Not sure if I can do something, but I can try
2014-04-18 02:16:49 renoirb: Its javascript!
2014-04-18 02:17:09 renoirb: Sorry, to be exact, docpad is made in coffeescript
2014-04-18 02:17:18 renoirb: but extensions can be written in either languages
2014-04-18 02:17:52 eliezerb: renoirb: So should be easier than SMW
2014-04-18 02:17:55 eliezerb: lol
2014-04-18 02:18:02 renoirb: look at http://blog.sapegin.me/all/multilingual-docpad
2014-04-18 02:18:24 renoirb: make a branch! :)
2014-04-18 02:18:43 renoirb: Or fork, make a branch, and go ahead!
2014-04-18 02:19:13 eliezerb: renoirb: I'll do it!
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2014-04-18 03:45:03 Rastus_Vernon: I just realized Web Platform does not support SSL. :o
2014-04-18 03:45:06 Rastus_Vernon: Is that possible?
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2014-04-18 04:30:15 renoirb: Hey Rastus_Vernon
2014-04-18 04:30:16 renoirb: yes, i know :)
2014-04-18 04:30:29 renoirb: Refactor in progress
2014-04-18 04:30:56 renoirb: Its more than one web server setup and it wasn't the priority when it was built.
2014-04-18 04:31:48 renoirb: I'm going to bed Rastus_Vernon, i'll be back online in about 9 hours. TTYL, you are free to hang around :)
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2014-04-18 17:49:14 renoirb: Hi tandroid :)
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2014-04-18 17:52:49 Garbee: renoirb: Looks like I finally have  a stable Elastic Search node running.
2014-04-18 17:53:05 Garbee: Only took a clean install on Ubuntu 14.04 to make it happen. :P
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2014-04-18 17:54:51 renoirb: We do have elasticsearch running, btw
2014-04-18 17:54:58 Garbee: Cool.
2014-04-18 17:55:11 Garbee: I just could never get even that running locally (and stabily) to help dev with.
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2014-04-18 17:55:26 renoirb: from deployment, you can curl to elastic2
2014-04-18 17:55:40 renoirb: also, i'm working on sandbox vm called auth2
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2014-04-18 17:56:47 renoirb: You should have a look at https://github.com/webplatform/saltyvagrant-mediawiki
2014-04-18 17:57:03 renoirb: and add a line in salt/states/dev-environment/init.sls
2014-04-18 17:58:08 renoirb: add a file from deployment:/srv/salt/elasticsearch/init.sls  into saltyvagrant-mediawiki checkout at salt/states/dev-environment/whatever.sls
2014-04-18 17:59:02 renoirb: Then, in salt/states/dev-environment/init.sls, add a line in the import list "- dev-environment.whatever"
2014-04-18 17:59:32 renoirb: That's why I'm creating those VM, Garbee, so you do not lose time to setup :)
2014-04-18 18:00:26 Garbee: Well, I was just trying to get ES running so I could setup and do some testing between it and MW. But, I could never get ES running for more than a few minutes before it either started hammering my CPU for some reason or just outright crashing.
2014-04-18 18:00:38 renoirb: sure.
2014-04-18 18:00:42 Garbee: tbh, I'm not too worried about the backend stuff anymore.
2014-04-18 18:00:49 renoirb: Have a look at https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki
2014-04-18 18:01:01 renoirb: I documented how to create a completely local VM with MediaWiki.
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2014-04-18 18:01:24 renoirb: its up to you :)
2014-04-18 18:01:27 Garbee: yea, I saw that a few days ago.
2014-04-18 18:01:47 Garbee: ntm, I really hate vagrant. :P Keeps getting in my way more than it helps.
2014-04-18 18:01:54 renoirb: I'm just saying that you can now use this instead.  Maybe your feelings would be different if you hadn't got frustrated with the sysadmin stuff :)
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2014-04-18 18:01:57 Garbee: However, I bet you already have what gives me a headace figured out.
2014-04-18 18:02:24 tandroid: renoirb, hey!
2014-04-18 18:02:41 Garbee: I was frustrated with a lot of different little things. It just all piled up and I just kindof imploded mentally.
2014-04-18 18:02:53 Garbee: And quite a bit of it wasn't even WPD stuff.
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2014-04-18 18:07:43 Garbee: I swear I need to lock the beginner's guide page.
2014-04-18 18:08:08 Garbee: This is like the 6th time I need to go remove Sublime Text from the list of *FREE* editors because it isn't free.
2014-04-18 18:08:31 tandroid: Garbee, I noticed that
2014-04-18 18:08:50 tandroid: I thought it was odd that it was on the list, I guess I should have done something about it haha
2014-04-18 18:09:00 Garbee: and why didn't I get an email about the edit?
2014-04-18 18:09:04 Garbee: I am watching the page.
2014-04-18 18:09:21 Garbee: tandroid: It's fine. I'm just annoyed people keep throwing it out as free.
2014-04-18 18:09:27 Garbee: It clearly isn't free if you abide by the license.
2014-04-18 18:09:50 tandroid: Yeah, it's basically encouraging people to abuse that free trial
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2014-04-18 18:10:20 Garbee: Honestly in my rewrite structure, I'm planning on just saying "Start with Brackets"
2014-04-18 18:10:27 Garbee: It is cross-platform, and freaking awesome.
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2014-04-18 18:10:45 Garbee: People can then go research out from there if they want to find something else.
2014-04-18 18:10:48 tandroid: But... the counter to that is that it maybe helps people too much
2014-04-18 18:10:59 Garbee: That is a problem how?
2014-04-18 18:11:05 Garbee: They need to get used to proper tools.
2014-04-18 18:11:33 tandroid: I stuck to text wrangler and notepad++ because it taught me to double check that I was always remembering closing braces, brackets, etc
2014-04-18 18:11:49 tandroid: Not saying that's the best route, but I thought it was good for me
2014-04-18 18:11:58 Garbee: It is different for everyone.
2014-04-18 18:12:11 Garbee: Just like closing optional element closures. All up to how you want to do it.
2014-04-18 18:12:24 tandroid: Exactly
2014-04-18 18:12:38 Garbee: I'd rather introduce people right away to proper tooling, so they get a feel for what it is like in the real world (unless you *want* to not have the aids.)
2014-04-18 18:12:56 tandroid: Garbee, true.
2014-04-18 18:13:11 tandroid:  But some people coming from other programming languages might find it annoying
2014-04-18 18:13:20 Garbee: "Beginner's Guide"
2014-04-18 18:13:21 tandroid: Although they would already have an editor...
2014-04-18 18:13:25 Garbee: I'm assuming no programming knowledge.
2014-04-18 18:13:25 tandroid: yeah
2014-04-18 18:13:37 Garbee: This is the, you haven't written code before ever. Let's start.
2014-04-18 18:13:43 Garbee: guide to the web.
2014-04-18 18:14:03 tandroid: True
2014-04-18 18:14:37 tandroid: Less options does make the decision easier too
2014-04-18 18:15:10 Garbee: It also makes for more straightforward writing.
2014-04-18 18:15:32 Garbee: And over time people will remember the basic structures and rules.
2014-04-18 18:15:37 tandroid: Yeah and screenshots would be consistent
2014-04-18 18:15:41 Garbee: No need to start them out forcing them to remember it all right away.
2014-04-18 18:16:06 tandroid: Yeah it's probably better to introduce them to those tools
2014-04-18 18:16:27 tandroid: I was thinking about it, I wonder if it would be good to include some practice debuging scenarios
2014-04-18 18:16:43 Garbee: Intro to debugging would be its own guide.
2014-04-18 18:16:47 tandroid: So you give them a site and they have to debug the issue with dev tools
2014-04-18 18:16:53 tandroid: Right
2014-04-18 18:17:06 tandroid: There is a debugging tools section, but there is so much to debugging
2014-04-18 18:17:13 Garbee: Well, it would be interesting in how it is done.
2014-04-18 18:17:57 Garbee: I'd love to setup something like this: http://teamtreehouse.com/library/website-optimization  where we have a plugin to the dev tools that people install so we can verify they are using the tools properly.
2014-04-18 18:18:11 Garbee: But, that is a highly intricate system.
2014-04-18 18:18:32 Garbee: Right now though, we need to focus on just getting things cleaned up and more cohesive.
2014-04-18 18:18:41 tandroid: For sure
2014-04-18 18:18:48 tandroid: I'm sure there are a lot of great ideas going around
2014-04-18 18:20:31 Garbee: One idea I'd love to see through is certification.
2014-04-18 18:20:41 Garbee: Actual verified certs for web dev.
2014-04-18 18:21:02 Garbee: But, that isn't viable in the slightest until the content is gone over.
2014-04-18 18:21:16 Garbee: Then there are quite a few other educational related things I'd love to work on.
2014-04-18 18:21:22 Garbee: But once again, without the docs to link to...
2014-04-18 18:21:24 Garbee: :/
2014-04-18 18:22:04 tandroid: Right. It will take time.
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2014-04-18 18:26:24 renoirb: lets lock the page beginers gide Garbee
2014-04-18 18:26:46 Garbee: nah. I'll just keep an eye on it.
2014-04-18 18:27:01 Garbee: If someone wants to work on fixing it up/rewriting it they can while I am busy.
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2014-04-18 18:27:37 Garbee: I'd just love for true "editors notes" where we can comment on that section in the template so only people on the edit page would see it. So we could have a clear notice to not put ST (or other paid editors) in that list.
2014-04-18 18:27:46 renoirb: to tell you Garbee, If you follow my procedures given at webplatform/saltyvagrant-mediawiki, and webplatform/mediawiki, you will have WebPlatform Docs from your own local VM from Vagrant's IP (e.g. 10.10.11.5) and your computer hosts file would use docs.webplatform.local
2014-04-18 18:28:04 renoirb: The latest MW that is
2014-04-18 18:28:30 Garbee: btw, did my mess of a Captcha ever get switched out for recaptcha?
2014-04-18 18:28:46 renoirb: i haven't touched anything about captcha
2014-04-18 18:28:52 Garbee: kk.
2014-04-18 18:29:08 Garbee: I may look into switching us over then. that should be a simple thing to do.
2014-04-18 18:29:45 Garbee: Just removing my custom code and putting in some recaptcha API keys (which I guess you or Doug would need to get from the recaptcha site.)
2014-04-18 18:30:13 Garbee: That won't take but a few minutes and make the captcha system a little more solid.
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2014-04-18 18:56:25 renoirb: https://accounts.webplatform.org/signup
2014-04-18 18:57:59 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: is webplatform switching to firefox accounts?
2014-04-18 18:58:05 renoirb: testing.
2014-04-18 18:58:22 Ryan_Lane: what are firefox accounts anyway
2014-04-18 18:58:23 Ryan_Lane: ?
2014-04-18 18:58:50 Ryan_Lane: ah. I see a blog post for it
2014-04-18 18:59:32 Ryan_Lane: heh. it doesn't really describe how it works much :)
2014-04-18 18:59:52 Ryan_Lane: it's too bad they deprecated persona
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2014-04-18 21:13:17 renoirb: Sorry Ryan_Lane yt
2014-04-18 21:13:17 renoirb: ?
2014-04-18 21:13:25 renoirb: No they dont describe how it works :(
2014-04-18 21:13:34 renoirb: But they are helpful on their channel
2014-04-18 21:14:04 renoirb: Basically its three components: Contents, Auth backend, + extensions
2014-04-18 21:14:10 renoirb: extensions can be OAuth, Persona, etc.
2014-04-18 21:14:23 renoirb: They also have i18n support
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2014-04-18 21:25:42 Garbee: With our example code, do we want to always show the doctype/title so it is valid?
2014-04-18 21:25:47 Garbee: i.e. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/alt  The example here is missing that.
2014-04-18 21:26:14 Garbee: One of the complaints with W3Schools was that their examples were not complete valid code, which confused beginners.
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2014-04-18 21:33:14 Garbee: renoirb: I just added an HTML comment in the list explaining what not to add. hopefully people will read it and obey.
2014-04-18 21:33:33 renoirb: Asking to obey :/
2014-04-18 21:33:36 renoirb: lets see :)
2014-04-18 21:34:10 Garbee: Yea, if someone blows it off and just throws it in again, then I'll just lock it until it is redone.
2014-04-18 21:34:24 Garbee: Hopefully that comment is clear enough though.
2014-04-18 21:34:42 Garbee: I also removed vim/emacs. They aren't beginner level editors.
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2014-04-18 21:54:29 Bad_Advice_Cat: Garbee, Gedit!! :D
2014-04-18 21:54:44 Garbee: Bad_Advice_Cat: Your nick says it all.
2014-04-18 21:54:53 Bad_Advice_Cat: :D
2014-04-18 21:55:10 kiy: gedit sucks
2014-04-18 21:55:13 kiy: geany is better
2014-04-18 21:55:18 kiy: vim is supreme
2014-04-18 21:55:28 Garbee: +1 to vim
2014-04-18 21:55:39 Garbee: Just not for beginners. ;)
2014-04-18 21:55:52 Bad_Advice_Cat: kiy, yea, the point is that it's noobtastic.
2014-04-18 21:56:00 kiy: Bad_Advice_Cat, upgrade to geany
2014-04-18 21:56:01 kiy: it's really nice
2014-04-18 21:56:02 Bad_Advice_Cat: geany is fine too.
2014-04-18 21:56:47 Bad_Advice_Cat: I use phpstorm/komodo. Sometimes nano. Thought gedit is fine enough for html/javascript/css.
2014-04-18 21:57:15 Bad_Advice_Cat: And kate/leafpad for different flavored  distros.
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2014-04-18 21:59:44 renoirb: I use sed!
2014-04-18 21:59:50 renoirb: ...kidding
2014-04-18 21:59:52 Garbee: lmao
2014-04-18 22:00:10 renoirb: cat myfile.txt | sed -e 's/this/to that/'
2014-04-18 22:00:15 renoirb: whatever.
2014-04-18 22:04:42 Garbee: Does anyone around know where the contextmenu attribute is defined in the W3C version of HTML5? I'm only finding a reference to it in the WhatWG spec.
2014-04-18 22:07:00 eliezerb: Garbee: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/global-attributes.html#common.attrs.contextmenu
2014-04-18 22:07:26 Garbee: ah thanks eliezerb!
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2014-04-18 22:58:39 Garbee: renoirb: Um... I think I made a boo-boo?
2014-04-18 22:58:44 Garbee: http://code.webplatform.org/
2014-04-18 22:58:50 Garbee: Did I somehow change the default gist?
2014-04-18 22:59:13 renoirb: No, i dont see what you are talking about Garbee
2014-04-18 22:59:16 Garbee: Cuz I'm seeing my demo for that vs what was originally the default stuff.
2014-04-18 22:59:24 renoirb: Its probably the last gist you, yourself, worked on though.
2014-04-18 22:59:35 renoirb: localStorage FTW :)
2014-04-18 22:59:39 Garbee: oh what?
2014-04-18 22:59:51 renoirb: check with a different browser
2014-04-18 22:59:54 Garbee: ah
2014-04-18 22:59:59 Garbee: Yea I'm seeing it in my dev tools.
2014-04-18 23:00:03 Garbee: ok.
2014-04-18 23:00:08 Garbee: I got kinda scared there for a second.
2014-04-18 23:00:28 renoirb: no, change browser or create a "Private" browser session
2014-04-18 23:00:28 Garbee: I knew localstorage was being used, but I didn't know it restored when you go back to the main page.
2014-04-18 23:00:44 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, I got it working.
2014-04-18 23:00:51 Garbee: Yea, it shows right.
2014-04-18 23:00:55 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: the login?
2014-04-18 23:00:58 Garbee: I just hadn't noticed it before.
2014-04-18 23:01:01 Garbee: Kind scared me.
2014-04-18 23:01:02 Garbee: :P
2014-04-18 23:05:51 Garbee: Ok, I may not be the best writer, but this example code (working demo if you run Firefox) is nifty: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/contextmenu
2014-04-18 23:06:36 Garbee: Except for the crappy use of the browser to resize an image, I do believe that is best practice code.
2014-04-18 23:10:10 Garbee: well, aside from crufting up the global namespace. But I don't think we need to be *that* anal about example code in the ref docs.
2014-04-18 23:11:13 Garbee: How is the automated browser compat tables coming along?
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2014-04-18 23:38:38 julee: renoirb: you still online?
2014-04-18 23:50:40 renoirb: hey.
2014-04-18 23:50:43 renoirb: yes, just ate.
2014-04-18 23:50:50 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, yes. I sent you an email.
2014-04-18 23:51:09 Ryan_Lane: yep, saw it
2014-04-18 23:51:40 renoirb: I'll fork the project: see to have a .webplatform.org cookie and migrate the users.
2014-04-18 23:51:41 julee: renoirb!
2014-04-18 23:51:44 renoirb: julee!
2014-04-18 23:52:01 julee: lol
2014-04-18 23:52:04 julee: I'm on http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/max-height
2014-04-18 23:52:08 julee: and I'm logged in.
2014-04-18 23:52:12 julee: But I can't edit.
2014-04-18 23:52:21 julee: That's the test pages.
2014-04-18 23:52:23 brianjhong: hi everyone!
2014-04-18 23:52:25 brianjhong: happy friday
2014-04-18 23:52:38 julee: Can you make me an admin on the test pages, renoirb?
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2014-04-18 23:53:26 renoirb: Oh, btw, if you take a look at @@ you'll see I updated a bit the meeting notes.  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/General/2014/0415_raw_mtg_notes
2014-04-18 23:53:51 renoirb: Its not complete, but should give more of what I said in the meeting
2014-04-18 23:53:59 julee: LOl
2014-04-18 23:54:00 renoirb: I'm not done yet with the compat tables
2014-04-18 23:54:18 julee: so sorry. It's so hard to scribe & ask questions!
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2014-04-18 23:54:44 renoirb: Its ok. I have issues with explaining technical things without going too deep.
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2014-04-19 00:03:31 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, I also deployed https://source.webplatform.org/r/
2014-04-19 00:04:19 renoirb: its not yet ready for prime time, but it'll be one more tool to have as a connector to Firefox Account ("FxA")
2014-04-19 00:06:26 julee: thank yooou, renoirb!
2014-04-19 00:10:28 eliezerb: renoirb: What version of Semantic Media Wiki we are using?
2014-04-19 00:10:34 renoirb: Uhm.
2014-04-19 00:10:36 renoirb: wait a sec
2014-04-19 00:10:47 Garbee: 1.8.0.5)
2014-04-19 00:10:51 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Version
2014-04-19 00:11:02 Garbee: ^^ eliezerb
2014-04-19 00:11:26 renoirb: oh, special:version
2014-04-19 00:11:31 renoirb: oops.
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2014-04-19 00:11:37 renoirb: i never remmber about it
2014-04-19 00:11:46 Garbee: You have no clue how long it took me to remember that..
2014-04-19 00:12:01 eliezerb: haha
2014-04-19 00:12:04 eliezerb: Garbee: thanks!
2014-04-19 00:12:09 Garbee: np
2014-04-19 00:12:12 renoirb: Garbee: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/test/Special:Version
2014-04-19 00:12:28 renoirb: Its a WIP of the latest from last week
2014-04-19 00:12:43 renoirb: (with debug, yes)
2014-04-19 00:12:59 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm having a conversation about SMW on #semantic-mediawiki
2014-04-19 00:13:45 renoirb: what is it about?
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2014-04-19 00:14:29 eliezerb: That question about Flags
2014-04-19 00:14:33 renoirb: oh.
2014-04-19 00:14:34 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-19 00:14:46 renoirb: Did you succeed to build a local VM eliezerb ?
2014-04-19 00:15:05 eliezerb: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QUY1tFEf
2014-04-19 00:15:09 eliezerb: renoirb: ^
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2014-04-19 00:24:06 Garbee: shepazu: In response to your latest email on removing the purple banner (since I'm stupid and deleted the thread so I can't (don't know how) to respond)... Is the manual cleanup literally going through every page of the wiki and reflagging?
2014-04-19 00:24:48 shepazu: Garbee, well, that's one option
2014-04-19 00:25:14 shepazu: or someone could write a script
2014-04-19 00:25:42 shepazu: I don't know who or how
2014-04-19 00:25:46 eliezerb: Garbee: we are working that
2014-04-19 00:25:56 shepazu: eliezerb, oh?
2014-04-19 00:26:17 eliezerb: shepazu: Just talked with Yaron on #semantic-mediawiki
2014-04-19 00:26:29 eliezerb: And that issue that I'm having seems a bug on SMW
2014-04-19 00:26:32 renoirb: Indeed eliezerb
2014-04-19 00:26:40 renoirb: Everybody always recommends to upgrade :)
2014-04-19 00:26:46 Garbee: haha
2014-04-19 00:26:50 Garbee: ofc
2014-04-19 00:26:55 eliezerb: renoirb: Could we try on WPD test?
2014-04-19 00:27:04 renoirb: Did you try to turn it off and on again?
2014-04-19 00:27:27 renoirb: You could try on http://sandbox.webplatform.org/test/
2014-04-19 00:27:37 eliezerb: ohh
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2014-04-19 00:27:50 renoirb: Look at: http://sandbox.webplatform.org/test/Special:Version
2014-04-19 00:28:22 eliezerb: renoirb: Wow!
2014-04-19 00:28:27 eliezerb: great
2014-04-19 00:28:32 eliezerb: I'll try right now!
2014-04-19 00:28:34 renoirb: I'm not done with the fixes
2014-04-19 00:28:42 eliezerb: Is that possible
2014-04-19 00:28:43 eliezerb: ?
2014-04-19 00:28:44 renoirb: I mean, it doesnt have all the plugins installed, and I set to have verbose
2014-04-19 00:28:47 renoirb: yes.
2014-04-19 00:28:48 Garbee: I was going to say. Breaking the site up into manageable sections and having enough people spread the load out over two or three weeks to get it done would also give us a good opportunity to also move pages into the right areas and fix URLs. But, if a script is in process, then that is a moot argument.
2014-04-19 00:29:19 eliezerb: Garbee: The idea is to set the new flags, based in the ones that we already have
2014-04-19 00:29:29 renoirb: no problem. its using a copy of the test database from http://docs.webplatform.org/test/ But the MySQL server is local with MySQL 5.6
2014-04-19 00:29:41 eliezerb: renoirb: I will try :0
2014-04-19 00:29:41 renoirb: (not sure of MySQL version, its Percona XTraDB cluster)
2014-04-19 00:29:42 eliezerb: :)
2014-04-19 00:29:46 eliezerb: If there is no problem
2014-04-19 00:30:12 Garbee: eliezerb: Yea for the script. I was saying a manual process would have offered a great side-job to get other important things done. but, the script saves a lot of man-hours up front, so that route is best.
2014-04-19 00:30:34 eliezerb: Garbee: I also see the manual stuff as a good process
2014-04-19 00:30:45 eliezerb: It's a chance to see what's going on
2014-04-19 00:30:47 Garbee: and we also need to fix the output MW generates.
2014-04-19 00:30:53 renoirb: Also, ask to frozenice and max polk, maybe they can do that quickly. Or give you pointers :)
2014-04-19 00:30:53 Garbee: These tables are just not well.
2014-04-19 00:31:12 renoirb: which tables Garbee ?
2014-04-19 00:31:13 eliezerb: renoirb: Let's see if it is just a bug on SMW
2014-04-19 00:31:24 eliezerb: If it is, we have a solution
2014-04-19 00:31:25 Garbee: renoirb: Primarily the ones used to list subpages.
2014-04-19 00:31:28 eliezerb: Otherwise let's do the script
2014-04-19 00:32:03 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes#Subpages
2014-04-19 00:32:16 renoirb: oh, ok
2014-04-19 00:34:18 Garbee: Also, wouldn't a definition list ( http://html5doctor.com/the-dl-element/ ) be more semantic to what tables like this ( http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes#Summary ) are?
2014-04-19 00:34:37 eliezerb: renoirb: not good experience looking at sandbox
2014-04-19 00:38:09 eliezerb: renoirb: And not good news
2014-04-19 00:38:43 eliezerb: renoirb: Seems like it's not possible use Strings as a list of checkboxes
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2014-04-19 00:40:48 renoirb: Uhm. Ok.
2014-04-19 00:40:53 renoirb: eliezerb ^
2014-04-19 00:41:19 eliezerb: renoirb: I will spend some time looking on sandbox
2014-04-19 00:41:31 eliezerb: If no success I will mail list fro and max about th script
2014-04-19 00:41:36 renoirb: ok, if you login to deployment, you'll see a VM called
2014-04-19 00:41:46 renoirb: ... sandbox.
2014-04-19 00:41:50 renoirb: You can SSH to it if you want
2014-04-19 00:42:01 renoirb: in deployment you can just do "nova list"
2014-04-19 00:42:11 renoirb: youll see all the machines
2014-04-19 00:43:03 renoirb: ooh, you do not have a key.
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2014-04-19 00:49:55 Garbee: Goodnight guys and gals.
2014-04-19 00:50:30 eliezerb: bye Garbee :)
2014-04-19 01:00:53 eliezerb: renoirb: Should I undo all my changes on Sandbox?
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2014-04-19 01:02:56 renoirb: no, its ok.
2014-04-19 01:03:14 eliezerb: renoirb: cool, I'll write the email
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2014-04-19 22:06:36 renoirb: frozenice yt?
2014-04-19 22:06:51 frozenice: hi!
2014-04-19 22:07:16 renoirb: hi!
2014-04-19 22:07:23 renoirb: i'm reading on nginx proxying stuff
2014-04-19 22:07:27 renoirb: thanks for your help :_
2014-04-19 22:07:28 renoirb: :)
2014-04-19 22:07:40 frozenice: aye
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2014-04-19 22:08:36 renoirb: oh right. I just realized something
2014-04-19 22:08:43 renoirb: it is using nginx 1.1.19
2014-04-19 22:09:03 renoirb: i just imported latest ubuntu 14.04 LTS, lets' upgrade the NGINX stack
2014-04-19 22:09:27 frozenice: sounds like a plan
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2014-04-19 22:15:17 renoirb: It was in the article here that hinted me
2014-04-19 22:15:18 renoirb: https://chrislea.com/2013/02/23/proxying-websockets-with-nginx/
2014-04-19 22:15:31 renoirb: The guys at hypothesis told me that it might be better upgrading anyway
2014-04-19 22:15:43 renoirb: I was wondering.
2014-04-19 22:16:46 renoirb: wait. taking screenshot
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2014-04-19 22:17:11 frozenice: I think we thought about upgrading nginx last time :)
2014-04-19 22:17:17 renoirb: frozenice is this what you were talking about http://imgur.com/kfdhSDG
2014-04-19 22:17:27 renoirb: i mean, where you were finding the error message?
2014-04-19 22:17:30 frozenice: yup
2014-04-19 22:17:36 renoirb: ok. gotcha.
2014-04-19 22:17:45 renoirb: lets upgrade nginx and hopefully this will go away
2014-04-19 22:17:46 frozenice: not that message but that place
2014-04-19 22:17:50 renoirb: sure.
2014-04-19 22:18:03 renoirb: i just re-tried with the documentation http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/websocket.html
2014-04-19 22:18:07 renoirb: and it gives that error
2014-04-19 22:18:12 renoirb: but i must have the wrong version
2014-04-19 22:18:13 frozenice: ah ok
2014-04-19 22:18:29 renoirb: for example, at https://ssl.webplatform.org/ I can now support spd
2014-04-19 22:18:31 renoirb: spdy
2014-04-19 22:18:46 renoirb: ideally i'd like to have spdy everywhere.
2014-04-19 22:19:00 frozenice: did you just put that comment in sites-enabled/default or has that been there already?
2014-04-19 22:19:14 renoirb: uhm
2014-04-19 22:19:16 renoirb: on which node?
2014-04-19 22:19:18 renoirb: notes1?
2014-04-19 22:19:21 frozenice: notes1
2014-04-19 22:19:25 renoirb: yes just did
2014-04-19 22:19:32 frozenice: ok :)
2014-04-19 22:19:35 renoirb: in fact i have a vim session and i trigger undo
2014-04-19 22:19:36 renoirb: ok
2014-04-19 22:20:14 renoirb: i'm building notes2 with trusty-cloudimg
2014-04-19 22:22:55 renoirb: btw, frozenice, did you see https://accounts.webplatform.org ?
2014-04-19 22:23:11 frozenice: I read the chat but haven't taken a closer look yet
2014-04-19 22:23:16 renoirb: its a PoC
2014-04-19 22:24:13 renoirb: Its Firefox Accounts code, it is only for login, it provides all lost password, create account.  We will be able to add OAuth to it and profiles.
2014-04-19 22:25:13 renoirb: So my plan is to migrate account data from MediaWiki, attempt to reproduce password validation in nodejs.
2014-04-19 22:25:46 frozenice: yay NodeJS :)
2014-04-19 22:25:58 renoirb: JavaScript all the things!
2014-04-19 22:26:02 frozenice: !
2014-04-19 22:26:19 frozenice: or, optionally, CS
2014-04-19 22:26:33 renoirb: as in C# ?
2014-04-19 22:26:44 frozenice: nah that's C#
2014-04-19 22:26:45 frozenice: CS!
2014-04-19 22:26:49 renoirb: Computer Science?
2014-04-19 22:26:52 frozenice: CoffeeScript :P
2014-04-19 22:26:54 renoirb: OH!!
2014-04-19 22:26:59 renoirb: right :)
2014-04-19 22:27:22 renoirb: In fact, Mozilla #fxa team is currently working on an OAuth extension
2014-04-19 22:27:38 renoirb: (sorry, pasted what I was saying before you said "CS")
2014-04-19 22:28:02 frozenice: np, I was done ;)
2014-04-19 22:28:42 Garbee: renoirb: doesn't look *too* difficult. It is only MD5 hashes for the content. The only issue might be "  pseudo-random hexadecimal 31-bit salt between 0x0 and 0x7fff ffff (inclusive) "
2014-04-19 22:29:33 renoirb: yup Garbee. I just hadn't had time to start working on it.
2014-04-19 22:29:36 Garbee: But, that does show we obviously need to verify, then rehash into more secure passwords if we are going through the effort to move the user system out.
2014-04-19 22:30:13 renoirb: An alternate plan is to make a silent transition behind the scene when an user logs in.
2014-04-19 22:30:23 renoirb: But, i'm not there yet.
2014-04-19 22:30:26 Garbee: yea that is what I meant.
2014-04-19 22:30:32 Garbee: verify (i.e. on login) then re-hash as needed.
2014-04-19 22:30:42 Garbee: While the password is still up in plain-text for the session.
2014-04-19 22:30:55 renoirb: I'm mostly working on SSO... and moving away from MW. For the account system at least.
2014-04-19 22:31:12 Garbee: Surprisingly , the language we are moving from has implemented this stuff perfectly.
2014-04-19 22:31:13 Garbee: ;)
2014-04-19 22:31:41 renoirb: If we have separate account mechanism with some delegation (OAuth) and SSO. We will be able to connect all our other tools based on that service.
2014-04-19 22:31:49 renoirb: ... you know, frozenice, SOA :)
2014-04-19 22:32:05 frozenice: "there's a NodeJS module for that", should be a slogan...
2014-04-19 22:32:15 renoirb: what is slogan?
2014-04-19 22:32:59 frozenice: some big smartphone company used "there's an app for that" some time ago :)
2014-04-19 22:33:17 renoirb: Here's one of the issues Mozilla people are working ATM https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-oauth-server/issues/7
2014-04-19 22:33:48 renoirb: oh! yeah. But i was refering to the Service Oriented Architecture.
2014-04-19 22:34:16 renoirb: Not only the buzzword. But the concept that you have loosely coupled components that are experts in their own and others can rely on.
2014-04-19 22:34:34 frozenice: yeah I was responding to Garbee's comment :>
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2014-04-19 22:39:01 renoirb: hi ckwalsh
2014-04-19 22:39:22 renoirb: (statiscally speaking, when somebody joins, there's more chance to get an answer)
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2014-04-19 22:40:55 Garbee: renoirb: Unless they hate you, then you get golden silence. ;)
2014-04-19 22:40:58 Garbee: haha
2014-04-19 22:41:25 renoirb: In my experience, you /know/ when somebody hates you
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2014-04-19 23:02:18 frozenice: I'm off, keep me posted on the websocket progress renoirb :)
2014-04-19 23:06:36 renoirb: ok frozenice have a good one.
2014-04-19 23:06:54 renoirb: i have to adjust things. ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 must have things changed.
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2014-04-20 00:48:17 Rastus_Vernon: I am surprised Web Platform gets so many user account creations and development but so few content contributions.
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2014-04-20 00:48:34 Rastus_Vernon: It seems from the recent changes that three accounts are created for every page edit or creation.
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2014-04-20 01:01:41 renoirb: Hi Rastus_Vernon
2014-04-20 01:01:46 Rastus_Vernon: Hello.
2014-04-20 01:02:00 renoirb: I saw your question a few days ago about the non ssl on the site.
2014-04-20 01:02:20 renoirb: I know, we think that there are a lot of spambots.
2014-04-20 01:02:25 Rastus_Vernon: It just seems the interface and everything keep changing, as if it got a lot of development activity, which is surprising considering the lack of activity concerning the content.
2014-04-20 01:03:00 renoirb: What are you talking about, in: 'the interface and everything keep changing'
2014-04-20 01:03:17 Rastus_Vernon: Well, for example, it seems hypothes.is was recently added to the site.
2014-04-20 01:03:31 Rastus_Vernon: I know the homepage has changed many times too.
2014-04-20 01:03:36 renoirb: yes, indeed.
2014-04-20 01:03:50 Rastus_Vernon: And it seems there is a pretty developed infrastructure for improving the site in general.
2014-04-20 01:03:57 renoirb: In fact I just upgraded the notes.webplatform.org webserver to have better WebSocket support
2014-04-20 01:04:01 Rastus_Vernon: Meanwhile, the content addition activity is very slow.
2014-04-20 01:04:31 renoirb: I know.
2014-04-20 01:04:38 Rastus_Vernon: It seems as if there was more development than content creation. There’s nothing wrong with that, it just seems surprising.
2014-04-20 01:04:49 renoirb: I'd like to contribute to the doc, but maintaining and improving takes all my work time and free time.
2014-04-20 01:05:13 Rastus_Vernon: Usually, wikis have hundreds times more contributors than developers. This one just seems a bit different, and that surprises m.
2014-04-20 01:05:32 Rastus_Vernon: I’d probably contribute if I could find my way around Semantic MediaWiki.
2014-04-20 01:05:48 renoirb: WebPlatform is not yet 2 years old, see.
2014-04-20 01:06:03 renoirb: To have a community of contributors takes some time
2014-04-20 01:06:05 Rastus_Vernon: Indeed. I remember seeing a message about it on Twitter on the day of its release.
2014-04-20 01:06:23 Rastus_Vernon: I joined this channel and saw two people joining the channel every second…
2014-04-20 01:06:33 renoirb: As contributor, we should not worry about SMW, just the content.
2014-04-20 01:07:31 renoirb: I think that many people likes the idea but are waiting that it gets bigger before diving in
2014-04-20 01:07:50 Rastus_Vernon: I discovered three interesting projects from Web Platform: Dabblet, hypothes.is and -prefix-free.
2014-04-20 01:08:33 renoirb: hypothesis is not from us directly. We are just working together to provide annotations for the W3C.
2014-04-20 01:08:38 Rastus_Vernon: I know.
2014-04-20 01:08:40 renoirb: ok
2014-04-20 01:08:55 Rastus_Vernon: I just happen to have discovered these projects from there.
2014-04-20 01:09:31 Rastus_Vernon: The website seems more than sufficiently mature to me, but I am surprised it doesn’t have more active contributors, considering how active MDN is.
2014-04-20 01:09:32 renoirb: You are free to hang around here, you could meet the other common people around.
2014-04-20 01:10:06 renoirb: Not to forget that MDN's parent entity is one of our Stewards.
2014-04-20 01:13:27 Rastus_Vernon: I’m just surprised that despite all the doc sprints, all the interest and all the development, there are few contributions. It just goes against what I’d expect.
2014-04-20 01:14:02 renoirb: :/
2014-04-20 01:14:12 renoirb: i have the same feeling.
2014-04-20 01:14:16 Rastus_Vernon: Everyone is excited about it, many editors have extensions for Web Platform or even integrate support for documentation from it directly.
2014-04-20 01:14:30 Rastus_Vernon: There are 3623852 posts on the blog about all sorts of doc sprints.
2014-04-20 01:15:07 renoirb: hahaha
2014-04-20 01:15:09 Rastus_Vernon: The project has its own GitHub repositories, MediaWiki skin, project dashboard, etc. (compare with MDN, or MSDN, or W3Schools, or the others)
2014-04-20 01:15:48 Rastus_Vernon: It has a lot of help pages, and a lot of work has clearly been spent customizing the skin of every single piece of software used thoroughly.
2014-04-20 01:16:25 Rastus_Vernon: And yet… absolutely nobody contributes, despite all the usefulness and interest that there seems to be in this website, despite the stewards, etc.?
2014-04-20 01:16:30 Rastus_Vernon: It’s just surprising.
2014-04-20 01:17:05 renoirb: ...
2014-04-20 01:17:09 renoirb: yep.
2014-04-20 01:17:21 renoirb: Yet, we have hopes.
2014-04-20 01:18:25 Rastus_Vernon: It’s not that helping is too difficult… it’s not that there’s not enough advertising… There doesn’t seem to be a reason this site isn’t as active as MDN.
2014-04-20 01:19:08 Rastus_Vernon: But I suppose it’ll still grow over time.
2014-04-20 01:19:24 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: MDN has all the Mozilla community working on that, we still are building our own community
2014-04-20 01:19:36 eliezerb: Takes some time until both get the same size
2014-04-20 01:19:41 Rastus_Vernon: True.
2014-04-20 01:20:04 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: But when people arrive they will find a solid structure to work on
2014-04-20 01:20:29 Rastus_Vernon: The structure is very solid, as far as I can see.
2014-04-20 01:20:43 renoirb: It had it snags :)
2014-04-20 01:20:52 eliezerb: Since renoirb started on W3C, we saw a lot of improvements that MDN maybe will take some time to get it there
2014-04-20 01:21:02 eliezerb: renoirb++
2014-04-20 01:21:08 renoirb: it doesnt work here eliezerb
2014-04-20 01:21:17 renoirb: you have to do this on irc.w3.org &systeam :)
2014-04-20 01:21:22 eliezerb: hahaha
2014-04-20 01:21:30 renoirb: It gives 'mana'
2014-04-20 01:21:50 eliezerb: :)
2014-04-20 01:22:00 renoirb: thanks for the ++ eliezerb
2014-04-20 01:22:09 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: but why don't you join us?
2014-04-20 01:22:27 renoirb: if you look here Rastus_Vernon, you will see compatibility tables. Something that's coming. http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Tests/Compatibility_table_and_caching
2014-04-20 01:22:28 eliezerb: Looks like that you have a lot to contribute with Webplatform.org
2014-04-20 01:22:49 Rastus_Vernon: Quite true…
2014-04-20 01:23:07 renoirb: If you have issues with something, just ping me and I can see to make it easier.
2014-04-20 01:23:26 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: We all can help you if you need
2014-04-20 01:23:45 Rastus_Vernon: I’m pretty used to MediaWiki, just not to Semantic MediaWiki and to the way that wiki is organized.
2014-04-20 01:23:50 Rastus_Vernon: But there are help pages.
2014-04-20 01:26:16 Rastus_Vernon: Ok, I guess I’ll try to contribute.
2014-04-20 01:26:33 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: yay!
2014-04-20 01:26:41 eliezerb: +1 for the Webplatform Community
2014-04-20 01:27:44 renoirb: Rastus_Vernon++
2014-04-20 01:28:04 renoirb hears "Victory" song from Final Fantasy
2014-04-20 01:28:20 eliezerb: renoirb: We are doing a great team!
2014-04-20 01:28:35 renoirb: indeed, eliezerb
2014-04-20 01:28:39 eliezerb: renoirb: I could be your player 2
2014-04-20 01:29:20 renoirb: if you have questinos about SMW, Rastus_Vernon, you can ask eliezerb. He spent some time figuring things on our site.
2014-04-20 01:29:47 renoirb: But if you talk about contributing to content, it should not matter whether we are using SMW or not.
2014-04-20 01:30:02 renoirb: As in, we'd like to have it "out of the way"
2014-04-20 01:31:08 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: Questions move the world, so don't hesitate!
2014-04-20 01:31:40 renoirb: Ooh. this page http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/redirect_no_javascript has been edited. I do not like the idea to teach meta http-equiv tag
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2014-04-20 01:33:09 renoirb: hi tandroid
2014-04-20 01:33:44 renoirb: I'm going off, TTYL eliezerb, Rastus_Vernon
2014-04-20 01:34:02 eliezerb: bye renoirb! Have a nice weekend!
2014-04-20 01:34:04 Rastus_Vernon: hypothes.is cannot be used now since it is in beta, can it…?
2014-04-20 01:34:36 tandroid: Hello
2014-04-20 01:42:40 Rastus_Vernon: Well, I do have a question.
2014-04-20 01:43:16 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: About hypothes.is?
2014-04-20 01:43:25 Rastus_Vernon: Nope.
2014-04-20 01:43:28 Rastus_Vernon: About Web Platform.
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2014-04-20 01:43:37 Rastus_Vernon: It concerns this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/float
2014-04-20 01:43:39 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: share with us
2014-04-20 01:44:02 Rastus_Vernon: The float property is currently a property defined in a W3C Recommendation.
2014-04-20 01:44:10 Rastus_Vernon: (CSS 2.1, I think)
2014-04-20 01:44:42 Rastus_Vernon: This specification adds the ‘footnote’ value to that property: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-gcpm/#turning-elements-into-footnotes
2014-04-20 01:44:46 Rastus_Vernon: However, it is a working draft.
2014-04-20 01:45:05 Rastus_Vernon: This is just an example, but what should be done in this case?
2014-04-20 01:46:14 Rastus_Vernon: If I update the page to include the footnote property, how can I indicate that part of it is part of a recommendation but part of it isn’t but is part of a working draft? Or should I just not include the information (but there seem to be pages talking about features described in non-recommendations, such as the grid layout specification)?
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2014-04-20 02:00:45 renoirb: Rastus_Vernon, we have page flags for that
2014-04-20 02:01:10 Rastus_Vernon: renoirb: Explain?
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2014-04-20 02:02:49 renoirb: you are talking about documenting a feature that isn't yet implemented (or in only one), right?
2014-04-20 02:03:51 Rastus_Vernon: I am talking about a feature that is described in a W3C Recommendation, in a more recent non-recommendation W3C specification that doesn’t add functionality, and that is extended by a W3C Working Draft.
2014-04-20 02:04:18 Rastus_Vernon: Basically, it is defined in CSS 2.1. It is redefined in some CSS3 spec. It is extended in another CSS3 spec.
2014-04-20 02:04:41 Rastus_Vernon: Should I document the extension? If so, what should I do about the standard status of the page?
2014-04-20 02:05:40 Rastus_Vernon: It should also be noted that it’s a pretty obscure extension. I am only aware of one user agent (Prince XML) supporting it, and it is only relevant for paged media.
2014-04-20 02:06:26 Rastus_Vernon: I happen to know about it because I used it some times for documents I had to print that I wrote in HTML. That extension is the only way to create page footnotes in a printed HTML document.
2014-04-20 02:06:47 Rastus_Vernon: The actual question is what to do about the standards status of the page.
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2014-04-20 02:08:06 renoirb: (reading)
2014-04-20 02:09:33 renoirb: So, in one page that describe the use of that CSS3 redefinition
2014-04-20 02:09:51 renoirb: you want to make it clear that you are documenting in relation to that version, and not the 2.1
2014-04-20 02:10:17 eliezerb: Sorry power down
2014-04-20 02:12:01 Rastus_Vernon: renoirb: I did this: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=css%2Fproperties%2Ffloat&diff=51627&oldid=34643
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2014-04-20 02:12:26 Rastus_Vernon: There was already a working draft, so I guess the page status has to do with when it was introduced.
2014-04-20 02:13:02 renoirb: wb eliezerb
2014-04-20 02:13:31 Rastus_Vernon: I added the relevant spec, with a comment, to the relevant box, and added the value to the list. Should I also note in the description of the value that it comes from that specification, or is the comment in the specification table sufficient?
2014-04-20 02:13:45 renoirb: I'd suggest that you ask this on the mailing list, I have no clue on what to do in this situation
2014-04-20 02:13:59 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: Can you use this value in some browser?
2014-04-20 02:14:12 renoirb: eliezerb, wait a sec
2014-04-20 02:14:16 Rastus_Vernon: eliezerb: Prince XML, I guess…
2014-04-20 02:14:27 renoirb: Read the conversation here http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/#home
2014-04-20 02:14:34 Rastus_Vernon: It is described in a W3C working draft, though.
2014-04-20 02:14:48 renoirb: (it will prevent Rastus_Vernon to repeat himself)
2014-04-20 02:15:08 eliezerb: renoirb: IRC Cloud
2014-04-20 02:15:09 eliezerb: :)
2014-04-20 02:15:10 renoirb: I have to go.
2014-04-20 02:15:13 eliezerb: Cool
2014-04-20 02:15:15 eliezerb: renoirb: one sec
2014-04-20 02:15:23 Rastus_Vernon: eliezerb did not leave the channel, so he still has the messages.
2014-04-20 02:15:39 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: If you can write an example and run that new value in some browser
2014-04-20 02:15:53 Rastus_Vernon: eliezerb: Uh, it is only relevant for paged media.
2014-04-20 02:15:55 eliezerb: You should include on WPD, otherwise I don't think we should include
2014-04-20 02:15:56 renoirb: indeed. But we never know, if the bouncer he was using did not send the buffer or whatever :)
2014-04-20 02:16:01 Rastus_Vernon: Like page-break-after.
2014-04-20 02:16:15 Rastus_Vernon: And like paged media stuff in general.
2014-04-20 02:16:35 Rastus_Vernon: It is relevant when you print a HTML document, convert it to PDF. etc.
2014-04-20 02:16:45 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: nice!
2014-04-20 02:16:55 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: But is it implemented in some browser?
2014-04-20 02:17:06 Rastus_Vernon: It is implemented in some user agent.
2014-04-20 02:17:12 Rastus_Vernon: Some browser… not so much.
2014-04-20 02:17:15 eliezerb: lol
2014-04-20 02:17:19 Rastus_Vernon: I know Prince XML supports it.
2014-04-20 02:17:19 eliezerb: Ok, user agent
2014-04-20 02:17:37 Rastus_Vernon: It converts HTML documents into PDF files, so it isn’t exactly a web browser.
2014-04-20 02:18:13 renoirb: I really got to go now.
2014-04-20 02:18:15 renoirb: ttyl
2014-04-20 02:18:23 eliezerb: ok bye renoirb
2014-04-20 02:18:32 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: makes sense to keep it
2014-04-20 02:18:40 eliezerb: It's a good point
2014-04-20 02:18:43 renoirb: Sorry Rastus_Vernon for not being more helpful, I'm not in doc mode ATM.
2014-04-20 02:19:01 renoirb: bye
2014-04-20 02:19:21 eliezerb: It'll be great if you send a mail to the mailing list about this topic
2014-04-20 02:32:53 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: Well, it's my time
2014-04-20 02:33:25 eliezerb: Rastus_Vernon: Have a great weekend
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2014-04-21 19:02:59 Garbee: Wow, it is way too easy to accidentally close issues on Github.
2014-04-21 19:13:46 Ryan_Lane: yep. I have no clue how to reopen issues either
2014-04-21 19:13:56 Ryan_Lane: I'm having that exact issue now
2014-04-21 19:14:27 Ryan_Lane: heh. seems I just didn't have permissions in that repo
2014-04-21 19:15:08 Garbee: Yea, you can re-open by clicking the button you pressed to close again.
2014-04-21 19:15:10 Garbee: if you have perms.
2014-04-21 19:15:24 Garbee: I just left the issue closed though on the repo, all the PRs are in.
2014-04-21 19:15:31 Garbee: Any issues can be discussed on those directly.
2014-04-21 19:15:43 Garbee: I just don't remember pressing the close button.
2014-04-21 19:26:16 renoirb: I think that this feature on GitHub has been made by HP
2014-04-21 19:26:38 renoirb: (HP is very quick to close issues, I experienced it at Ericsson)
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2014-04-21 19:43:44 Garbee: haha
2014-04-21 19:43:49 Garbee: Wouldn't surprise me.
2014-04-21 19:44:23 Garbee: I think they are just "Let's not get in the way at all of the developer" but, sometimes that little alert is worth it.
2014-04-21 19:45:13 eliezerb: renoirb: hey!
2014-04-21 19:45:38 eliezerb: Garbee: hey!
2014-04-21 19:46:01 renoirb: Hey!
2014-04-21 19:46:05 Garbee: eliezerb: Weren't you sending a PR into W3Fools?
2014-04-21 19:46:15 eliezerb: It's in my TO DO
2014-04-21 19:46:28 eliezerb: (with CAPITAL LETTERS)
2014-04-21 19:46:37 eliezerb: renoirb: two topics
2014-04-21 19:46:43 eliezerb: 1) About float:footnote
2014-04-21 19:46:53 Garbee: ah ok. Just checking since I hadn't seen it.
2014-04-21 19:47:04 eliezerb: Garbee: Thanks for remember :)
2014-04-21 19:47:35 eliezerb: The Working Draft about this topic is from November, 2011
2014-04-21 19:47:44 Garbee: I'm considering taking tomorrow, and barring any server issues (hehe, my morning today was fun) knocking out the rebuild for it.
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2014-04-21 19:47:51 eliezerb: No changes since them
2014-04-21 19:48:11 eliezerb: And no documentation about it
2014-04-21 19:48:15 eliezerb: Anywhere
2014-04-21 19:48:42 renoirb: which "server issues' Garbee ?
2014-04-21 19:49:25 Garbee: renoirb: The Linode VPS I'm running my dads shop on. It had some major slowness I had to deal with and then I also had to actually go in and port some other stuff from Omnis into it.
2014-04-21 19:49:58 renoirb: oh, i thought you were talking about WPD and I wasn't aware of that issue
2014-04-21 19:50:01 Garbee: Turns out, all I had to do was reboot the VPS and the slowness just went away. I guess some odd process had things held up or it was just a temp thing going on.
2014-04-21 19:50:03 gkr: Read error: Operation timed out
2014-04-21 19:50:11 Garbee: Oh, if WPD had an issue you would know about it.
2014-04-21 19:50:13 Garbee: ;)
2014-04-21 19:50:55 eliezerb: renoirb: 2) Did you have a look on that email about Flags?
2014-04-21 19:52:47 renoirb: yes, but its not in my priority. My brain is trying to figure out how to do SSO in the most future-friendly way.
2014-04-21 19:53:04 renoirb: ... and getting low-hanging fruits in the way
2014-04-21 19:53:29 eliezerb: renoirb: ook! Just to check :)
2014-04-21 19:53:34 eliezerb: Sorry
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2014-04-21 19:53:59 Garbee: in the way?
2014-04-21 19:54:04 Garbee: Do you mean "out of the way?"
2014-04-21 19:56:21 renoirb: *while doing so
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2014-04-22 15:21:01 jensimmons: are we using META?
2014-04-22 15:21:09 jensimmons: or should everything be on WPD?
2014-04-22 15:21:18 jensimmons: renoirb: ?
2014-04-22 15:22:47 renoirb: hi jensimmons
2014-04-22 15:22:51 jensimmons: hiya
2014-04-22 15:23:01 renoirb: what do you mean META?
2014-04-22 15:23:08 renoirb: you mean http-equiv meta tags?
2014-04-22 15:23:23 jensimmons: I mean like: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:Editors_Guide
2014-04-22 15:23:26 jensimmons: in the URL
2014-04-22 15:23:31 jensimmons: and in the structure of the wiki
2014-04-22 15:23:55 renoirb: oh!
2014-04-22 15:24:04 jensimmons: it seems there was an idea at some point to put all the Doc stuff on WPD, and the info about helping and doing stuff at META
2014-04-22 15:24:09 jensimmons: is that still the cse?
2014-04-22 15:24:11 jensimmons: *case
2014-04-22 15:24:14 renoirb: It is a container for moved contents.
2014-04-22 15:24:22 jensimmons: or has that idea faded into the idea of just putting everything at WPD
2014-04-22 15:24:23 jensimmons: ?
2014-04-22 15:24:29 renoirb: It needs adjustments to be moved away
2014-04-22 15:24:35 jensimmons: “A container for moved contents”??
2014-04-22 15:24:38 jensimmons: wha?
2014-04-22 15:24:51 renoirb: We had javascript contents before importing from MSDN, right
2014-04-22 15:24:55 jensimmons: meaning META was just for temporary things that are being deleted or something?
2014-04-22 15:25:05 renoirb: So it is now here http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:javascript
2014-04-22 15:25:09 renoirb: instead of deleting it.
2014-04-22 15:25:17 jensimmons: sigh
2014-04-22 15:25:27 jensimmons: so…. WPD is for “real” content
2014-04-22 15:25:31 jensimmons: and META is not to be used??
2014-04-22 15:25:32 renoirb: yes.
2014-04-22 15:25:39 jensimmons: not used for “real content"
2014-04-22 15:25:49 jensimmons: the name meta is misleading
2014-04-22 15:25:52 renoirb: I know.
2014-04-22 15:26:03 renoirb: I'm just reporting what I remember.
2014-04-22 15:26:16 renoirb: You know, my focus is mostly on servers... not on content and structure.
2014-04-22 15:26:32 renoirb: I'd work on it too someday :)
2014-04-22 15:26:36 jensimmons: I don’t need to get into all the depths…. I just want to know, as I make a new page (or really, rename pages) that are about how to get invovled — it sounds like they should all be on WPD
2014-04-22 15:26:51 renoirb: sure.
2014-04-22 15:27:01 jensimmons: I’m not saving the old stuff, btw. It will live on in the history/revisions
2014-04-22 15:27:03 jensimmons: but I
2014-04-22 15:27:10 jensimmons: I’m going to delete, delete, delete
2014-04-22 15:27:26 renoirb: to what I understand: WPD is for site management... might be better as Meta, because it it actually meta to our site.
2014-04-22 15:27:26 jensimmons: there’s too much old stuff around & it makes it super hard to understand what’s going on, imo
2014-04-22 15:27:38 eliezerb: jensimmons: I agree
2014-04-22 15:27:40 renoirb: yup.
2014-04-22 15:27:51 jensimmons: revisions can hold the history
2014-04-22 15:28:07 jensimmons: I won’t create anything on META
2014-04-22 15:28:10 eliezerb: jensimmons: If we delete something that should be not deleted, we can simple bring it back
2014-04-22 15:28:13 jensimmons: I’ll put everything on WPD
2014-04-22 15:28:18 jensimmons: it sounds like that’s what I should do
2014-04-22 15:28:25 jensimmons: eliezerb: exactly
2014-04-22 15:28:47 eliezerb: It's time to make things easy, and clean up everything
2014-04-22 15:28:53 jensimmons: YES
2014-04-22 15:28:57 renoirb: that's it, what is related to how to work with webplatform.org is currently in WPD namespace.
2014-04-22 15:29:04 eliezerb: As Amelia said in that email we have 2 or 3 pages to getting started
2014-04-22 15:29:08 jensimmons: otherwise new people who want to help get bogged down and confused
2014-04-22 15:29:13 jensimmons: eliezerb: i know
2014-04-22 15:29:21 jensimmons: and they contradict each other
2014-04-22 15:29:28 jensimmons: it took me weeks to understand what was going on
2014-04-22 15:29:35 jensimmons: AND I’m still finding new stuff
2014-04-22 15:29:35 renoirb is not an expert in communication.  You ask questions, I answer :/
2014-04-22 15:29:39 jensimmons: accidently
2014-04-22 15:29:45 jensimmons: it’s not 2-3 pages, it’s like 20
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2014-04-22 15:31:24 eliezerb: We should have a map site, or something like that
2014-04-22 15:31:34 renoirb: hahaha
2014-04-22 15:31:46 jensimmons: it should be obvious, what the site map is, from the way content is organized & from the menus
2014-04-22 15:31:46 renoirb: Problem is to do some clean up :)
2014-04-22 15:31:47 eliezerb: Took me long weeks to find out where each part of the content were
2014-04-22 15:31:48 jensimmons: but
2014-04-22 15:31:52 renoirb: and people to do it :)
2014-04-22 15:32:15 jensimmons: meanwhile, a site map would be great. Even if just for us. I keep finding pages accidently that are important. And getting bogged down by pages that shouldn’t exist
2014-04-22 15:32:43 jensimmons: is there a site map / list of pages that wikimedia can autogenerate
2014-04-22 15:32:45 jensimmons: ??
2014-04-22 15:32:47 jensimmons: that would help us
2014-04-22 15:32:54 eliezerb: I was about to ask this
2014-04-22 15:33:25 jensimmons: meanwhile, I want to make the top nav super simple. And link the most important stuff only from there & from those pages
2014-04-22 15:33:27 jensimmons: AND
2014-04-22 15:33:44 renoirb: jensimmons, yes
2014-04-22 15:34:01 jensimmons: create a fat nav footer where we can list “shortcut” links to all the things intermediate people want
2014-04-22 15:34:07 renoirb: http://www.webplatform.org/robots.txt they are all valid
2014-04-22 15:34:09 jensimmons: for those who are already contributing
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2014-04-22 15:35:16 renoirb: Also, we have a list of all keys to use with the CompatTable project: http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json
2014-04-22 15:37:58 eliezerb: Looks like we also have a TEST tag http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/TEST:html
2014-04-22 15:42:23 jensimmons: yeah…. that TEST, uh, it bugs me everytime I see it. The stack should really have a test server, where all these things are done on a separate database
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2014-04-22 15:43:00 jensimmons: running test imports and convertions on the live db just slows down our real website and bloats the db
2014-04-22 15:43:07 jensimmons: over time it’ll make things slower and slower
2014-04-22 15:43:11 jensimmons: ;(
2014-04-22 15:43:21 jensimmons: and if a test goes wrong.....
2014-04-22 15:43:24 eliezerb: jensimmons: We already have a test wiki
2014-04-22 15:43:41 jensimmons: there’s a separate install & server for tests?
2014-04-22 15:43:59 eliezerb: renoirb: ?
2014-04-22 15:44:01 jensimmons: why are we using the live server then for test imports?
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2014-04-22 15:46:51 renoirb: I agree :)
2014-04-22 15:47:13 renoirb: I'm to roll out mroftalpbew.org someday
2014-04-22 15:48:07 renoirb: In fact the docs.webplatform.org/test/ is NOT the same db table as docs.webplatform.org/wiki/ . But it /is/ using the same database servers.
2014-04-22 15:48:15 renoirb: ... and application servers.
2014-04-22 15:48:21 jensimmons: I’m a big fan of the way Pantheon has setup their stacks. https://www.getpantheon.com. LOVE LOVE LOVE working in their dev-test-live environment.
2014-04-22 15:48:41 renoirb: I plan to create a complete mirror of **everything**, and isolated!!!1
2014-04-22 15:49:55 renoirb: I think they are using Docker
2014-04-22 15:49:56 renoirb: http://pyvideo.org/video/2629/introduction-to-docker
2014-04-22 15:49:57 jensimmons: it’s just for Drupal and WordPress — so not something for WPD on mediawiki, but it’s really the best of the best as far as an architectural plan http://helpdesk.getpantheon.com/customer/portal/articles/383609-using-the-pantheon-workflow
2014-04-22 15:50:18 renoirb: its just NOT open source and probably hiding the real backbone of it.
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2014-04-22 15:50:51 jensimmons: well, and it doesn’t make sense for one guy running one project to try and build something that awesome. They’ve been at it for several years now, and run a system that hosts thousands of websites
2014-04-22 15:51:28 jensimmons: the $$ doesn’t add up to try and copy that. I just mean, in broad strokes…
2014-04-22 15:51:47 jensimmons: and if you ever need Drupal hosting, just go get a Pantheon account. There’s no one else even close to being as good
2014-04-22 15:51:49 renoirb: I think they are using FreeBSD jails.   So you have a set of servers that are 'Golden' and each client server runs a "Jail" ... one process, very thin VM serving only their site.
2014-04-22 15:51:57 renoirb: this isn't new. Docker does this.
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2014-04-22 15:51:59 jensimmons: yeah, I have no idea what they are running
2014-04-22 15:52:02 renoirb: I plan to have a look at it.
2014-04-22 15:52:08 renoirb: I'm telling you :)
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2014-04-22 15:52:11 jensimmons: I don’t mean their technonolgy choices
2014-04-22 15:52:51 jensimmons: I’m just saying this http://assistly-production.s3.amazonaws.com/pantheon-systems/portal_attachments/29437/workflow_original.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJNSFWOZ6ZS23BMKQ&Expires=1398194632&Signature=cxFUSGO3fyWfiairxNgeG0lKWhY%3D&response-content-disposition=filename%3D%22workflow.png%22&response-content-type=image%2Fpng
2014-04-22 15:52:51 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-22 15:52:54 renoirb: I like their idea
2014-04-22 15:52:56 jensimmons: that drawing
2014-04-22 15:53:04 renoirb: glad to see its done.
2014-04-22 15:53:55 jensimmons: it’s hot. You push new code to dev. Mess around, break whatever you want. Then once it’s ready, you click and get new code & current live data mashed together on test. Then you can push to live knowing nothing will break
2014-04-22 15:54:01 renoirb: That's something similar to this that i'm going toward
2014-04-22 15:54:05 jensimmons: it’s not a direct recommendation for WPD
2014-04-22 15:54:13 jensimmons: I’m just rambling
2014-04-22 15:54:54 renoirb: I understand.  That's part of my job objective to improve server deployment.
2014-04-22 15:54:58 jensimmons: :)
2014-04-22 15:55:20 renoirb: So, hopefully soon, we will have something close to this.
2014-04-22 15:55:26 renoirb: that's my wish :)
2014-04-22 16:01:09 mstalfoort: Quit: kthxbai
2014-04-22 16:05:58 jensimmons: WTF MEDIAWIKI???????
2014-04-22 16:06:10 jensimmons: Does this thing NOT create redirects when it says it will??
2014-04-22 16:06:12 jensimmons: WTF?
2014-04-22 16:08:23 Garbee: Do what?
2014-04-22 16:08:30 Garbee: I've moved a few pages in the last few days.
2014-04-22 16:08:55 jensimmons: oh, I’m complaining about pages *I’ve* just moved and broken.
2014-04-22 16:08:59 Garbee: working for me.
2014-04-22 16:09:01 Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/readOnly
2014-04-22 16:09:06 Garbee: redirects to readonly content.
2014-04-22 16:09:09 Garbee: But URL isn't changing.
2014-04-22 16:09:10 Garbee: :(
2014-04-22 16:09:13 Garbee: That is broken.
2014-04-22 16:09:34 jensimmons: yeah, it’s this one http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
2014-04-22 16:09:45 Garbee: You moved the editors guide?
2014-04-22 16:09:47 jensimmons: I guess two redirects don’t work
2014-04-22 16:09:58 jensimmons: yeah, I moved it twice
2014-04-22 16:10:16 jensimmons: it’ll be ok once we update the navigation everywhere.
2014-04-22 16:10:21 Garbee: Yea, I bet that would do it.
2014-04-22 16:10:21 jensimmons: renoirb: ^ (see my email)
2014-04-22 16:10:23 Garbee: double redirect.
2014-04-22 16:10:28 jensimmons: yeah, it’s too bad
2014-04-22 16:11:24 Garbee: And you have it backwords.
2014-04-22 16:11:39 Garbee: The Meta:whatever page is the old thing that needs to be done way with.
2014-04-22 16:11:40 renoirb: I replied Jen
2014-04-22 16:11:55 Garbee: Contributors Guide is the successor to that.
2014-04-22 16:12:00 renoirb: I do not want to deploy at every minute :/
2014-04-22 16:12:21 Garbee: Meta:Editors_Guide
2014-04-22 16:12:21 jensimmons: totally understood
2014-04-22 16:12:50 Garbee: That is something we did initially to try and get it going, then julee and someone else went through and wrote it all up under the WPD:Editors_Guide.
2014-04-22 16:12:52 renoirb: Not that i'm lazy. Its that I'm doing something else and It'll require me to do more than just two commands.
2014-04-22 16:12:57 jensimmons: yeah, I moved it to meta when I thought meta was the right place. I should have asked first and then just moved it once to where it belongs, WPD
2014-04-22 16:12:59 jensimmons: sorry
2014-04-22 16:13:07 Garbee: Tis fine.
2014-04-22 16:13:23 Garbee: iirc a few months ago someone mentioned dropping the WPD namespace.
2014-04-22 16:13:27 Garbee sees no reason to do that.
2014-04-22 16:13:27 renoirb: that's ok.
2014-04-22 16:13:38 jensimmons: I like the page at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:Editors_Guide, btw. Garbee did you help write it?
2014-04-22 16:13:39 renoirb: You could create a new page too and delete the old ones once the content is migrated.
2014-04-22 16:13:59 Garbee: jensimmons: This are still iffy to all of us, especially with exactly where things should go. The site architecture page hasn't been updated in a while iirc.
2014-04-22 16:14:02 jensimmons: I’ve been moving old pages just to hold on to the revision history, instead of starting new & deleting
2014-04-22 16:14:06 Garbee: Yea, I did some work on the editors guide.
2014-04-22 16:14:42 Garbee: My initial contributions to WPD were more geared towards helping get others understanding how to contribute since it wasn't really well laid out. That led into the issue tracker stuff.
2014-04-22 16:14:55 jensimmons: Mostly my goal is to a) eliminate duplication, b) get rid of as many pages as possible and say what we want to say in as few pages as possible and c) make sure all URLs & titles are super clear & make sense
2014-04-22 16:15:27 Garbee: Nice. Good clear goals.
2014-04-22 16:15:44 Garbee: I'm just working on fixing up the HTML ref docs some. Element and Attributes stuff right now.
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2014-04-22 16:15:50 jensimmons: yay!
2014-04-22 16:15:57 Garbee: My current goal is just two or three pages a day.
2014-04-22 16:16:03 Garbee: Start at least getting things in order.
2014-04-22 16:16:07 Garbee: So they are somewhat useful.
2014-04-22 16:16:10 jensimmons: sounds great
2014-04-22 16:16:38 Garbee: Then when people go over it for WPW stuff to really fill in what I miss/don't know then it is at least in a decent order with hopefully good examples already laid out.
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2014-04-22 16:17:04 Garbee: I'm also currently completely rethinking the beginner's guide structure.
2014-04-22 16:17:13 Garbee: We had this huge outline made.
2014-04-22 16:17:21 Garbee: But I'm thinking that won't be very effective.
2014-04-22 16:17:59 Garbee: I was watching Timothy Ferris's show whatever it is. And he brought up the "Minimum Effective Dose" to learn something. We really need to hit that.
2014-04-22 16:18:22 Garbee: What is the minimum amount of stuff people *need* to know to be able to understand what they are looking at with HTML/CSS/JS.
2014-04-22 16:18:29 jensimmons: yeah, it seems anyplace there were huge plans made & complex architecture created to support Huge Plans — that now it’s a lot of extra structure that seems less than ideal. Paring things back to just Be What They Are and not empty spaces of future everything is a good way to go.
2014-04-22 16:18:43 jensimmons: minimum shippable
2014-04-22 16:18:57 jensimmons: then as the project grows, bigger things can be added later
2014-04-22 16:19:10 Garbee: Also, going back to a MED for it means it is *a lot* less writing/editing up front.
2014-04-22 16:19:18 Garbee: So that makes maintaining it easier in the long run.
2014-04-22 16:19:47 Garbee: So it isn't as stressful/daunting of a task to do among a few people. Whereas our current outline for the BG is horrid.
2014-04-22 16:20:24 Garbee: But, part of my thing for writing that is, I want to link into our ref docs right away. I don't want to link into broken HTML element pages for people to learn more from.
2014-04-22 16:20:50 Garbee: So I'm focusing on the innards first, then going to work on that outer content to get people used to seeing our docs in what is at least a usable fashion.
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2014-04-22 16:21:33 jensimmons: nice
2014-04-22 16:24:51 jensimmons: should Web Platform Wednesdays no longer be on META? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday
2014-04-22 16:25:19 jensimmons: are our meeting notes on META?
2014-04-22 16:25:38 jensimmons: nothing we have to deal with right now… but we should work towards consistency
2014-04-22 16:27:05 Garbee: I think we need to figure out what the deal with the meta namespace even is.
2014-04-22 16:27:13 jensimmons: exactly
2014-04-22 16:27:22 Garbee: iirc there was a discussion about the move in the ML. But I didn't really read or respond.
2014-04-22 16:27:46 Garbee: I don't see the point in meta: when WPD: works just fine. It is just semantics that no one cares about.
2014-04-22 16:31:09 Garbee: jensimmons: Yea, please shoot an email into the ML about the Meta: vs WPD: thing and see what others have to say on it.
2014-04-22 16:31:45 Garbee leans towards WPD: since that is what has been used for a long time and there is no real issue with it.
2014-04-22 16:31:58 Garbee: WPD is the "Project" namespace anyways. Which all that stuff relates to perfectly.
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2014-04-22 16:35:47 renoirb just discovered about windows.sessionStorage
2014-04-22 16:35:57 renoirb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/API/DOM/Storage
2014-04-22 16:36:01 renoirb: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#the-sessionstorage-attribute
2014-04-22 16:36:04 Garbee: renoirb: Yea.
2014-04-22 16:36:20 renoirb: That's what Firefox Accounts is using ("FxA")
2014-04-22 16:36:25 renoirb: https://accounts.webplatform.org/
2014-04-22 16:36:38 renoirb: ... I'm deploying and proof testing it.
2014-04-22 16:36:52 Garbee: renoirb: http://mozilla.github.io/localForage/
2014-04-22 16:37:01 Garbee: Awesome little API for local storage stuff.
2014-04-22 16:37:08 renoirb: So, if you are logged in, you can JSON.parse(sessionStorage.getItem('__fxa_session'))
2014-04-22 16:37:13 renoirb: from the brwoser console
2014-04-22 16:37:17 Garbee: Basically automatically picks what is supported for you in a given browser.
2014-04-22 16:37:41 renoirb: i'm aware of localStorage. I used it in 2010
2014-04-22 16:37:46 Garbee: Session and Local storage are actually the exact same system (I've done quite a bit of stuff with local here lately.)
2014-04-22 16:37:54 renoirb: but never thought of sessionStorage. It escaped me.
2014-04-22 16:37:57 Garbee: Just different times to clear out what is there.
2014-04-22 16:38:16 renoirb: localForage :)
2014-04-22 16:38:17 renoirb: hahaha
2014-04-22 16:38:26 Garbee: My big upset with web storage is, no way to get the max quota, space used, or the space used by a single item in storage. :(
2014-04-22 16:38:41 Garbee: So me dealing with huge arrays of data, has no real clue how much I'm using.
2014-04-22 16:38:50 renoirb: you can therefore fill the disk :)
2014-04-22 16:38:54 Garbee: Yet, it is limited (unless you build a chrome app and request unlimited.)
2014-04-22 16:39:17 Garbee: nah, it is limited. But there isn't a hard limit by the spec, it is up to the client to determine.
2014-04-22 16:39:32 Garbee: Typically 5MB is normal iirc, Chrome is 8MB now (unless you build an app where you can request up to unlimited.)
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2014-04-22 16:56:55 renoirb: Thanks for the short summary Garbee, it sums it all well :)
2014-04-22 16:57:11 renoirb: It just reshuffled things in my head.
2014-04-22 16:57:37 Garbee: I'd love to do some web storage docs for WPD. But my priority right now is the straight HTML ref docs.
2014-04-22 16:57:46 Garbee: Web storage is awesome, and I love it.
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2014-04-22 16:57:56 renoirb: me too
2014-04-22 16:58:07 renoirb: We'll get there Garbee, we'll get there!
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2014-04-22 17:01:44 frozenice: re double redirects: yes MW won't follow those, there is even a SpecialPage listing them http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects but it seems it didn't get updated in a long time, I guess one would need to run a maintenance script for that or something
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2014-04-22 17:06:48 renoirb: ok.
2014-04-22 17:06:53 renoirb: wonders what is that script.
2014-04-22 17:07:01 renoirb: most likely somewhere in maintenance/
2014-04-22 17:07:06 renoirb: but there are hundred of files.
2014-04-22 17:08:01 eliot: eliot is here
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2014-04-22 17:09:24 renoirb: wrong room. here!
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2014-04-22 17:10:49 renoirb doesnt want to frighten amelia
2014-04-22 17:11:05 renoirb: var scribenick = renoirb || eliott;
2014-04-22 17:11:20 renoirb: start meeting
2014-04-22 17:11:42 renoirb: Agenda:
2014-04-22 17:11:43 renoirb: * Compatibility Table Project
2014-04-22 17:11:43 renoirb: * Flag templates
2014-04-22 17:11:43 renoirb: * Web Platform Wednesday: SVG
2014-04-22 17:11:43 renoirb: * Review of open action items
2014-04-22 17:11:44 renoirb: * Any other topics?
2014-04-22 17:12:02 renoirb: AGENDA+ Roundtable with Amelia
2014-04-22 17:12:11 renoirb: #Topic Compatibility Table project
2014-04-22 17:12:29 renoirb: Doug: Renoir made a scrip that imports content from MDN and converts it to objects.
2014-04-22 17:12:30 eliot: eliot bows out of scribing. Can't keep up with renoirB
2014-04-22 17:12:56 renoirb: ... we have problem to get a portion of the data
2014-04-22 17:13:08 eliezerb is in the IRC
2014-04-22 17:13:30 renoirb: ... issue has been described at https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
2014-04-22 17:13:41 renoirb: ... we contacted MDN, they cannot help us
2014-04-22 17:13:52 renoirb: ... we have something working but still have missing data
2014-04-22 17:14:13 renoirb: ... ptressel is currently working on an Apache Nutch scraping project that we can pass our importer against.
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2014-04-22 17:14:31 renoirb: ... it will prevent to overload servers, and guarantee us to have as much data as possible
2014-04-22 17:14:47 renoirb: ... effectively going around the limitation problem
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2014-04-22 17:15:18 renoirb gave BOOL approval
2014-04-22 17:15:32 renoirb: Doug: Renoir is working on SSO stuff.
2014-04-22 17:15:42 renoirb: ... more on this later
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2014-04-22 17:16:00 renoirb: ... hopefully next week Renoir will switch workpile back on CompatTable
2014-04-22 17:16:12 renoirb: ... and have it deployed on the main wiki
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2014-04-22 17:16:34 renoirb: Doug: Is asking about ... with @@
2014-04-22 17:16:45 renoirb: ... to write a blog post related to CompaTables
2014-04-22 17:16:50 renoirb: ... [logistics]
2014-04-22 17:17:38 renoirb: ACTION: Doug to sync with Eliot about a Blog post announcing Compatibility tables
2014-04-22 17:17:51 renoirb: [Doug giving context to Amelia]
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2014-04-22 17:19:08 renoirb: http://w3c-test.org/webstorage/storage_local_getitem.html
2014-04-22 17:19:13 renoirb: AmeliaBR ^
2014-04-22 17:19:20 renoirb: is an example about W3C tests
2014-04-22 17:19:32 morficus: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
2014-04-22 17:19:51 renoirb: Based off of https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests ^
2014-04-22 17:20:13 renoirb: #TOPIC Flag and templates
2014-04-22 17:20:27 renoirb: [asking if eliezerb is there, confirming]
2014-04-22 17:20:34 eliezerb: renoirb: Yes!
2014-04-22 17:20:37 renoirb: [we'll add it to the meeting]
2014-04-22 17:20:37 eliezerb: On IRC
2014-04-22 17:20:38 eliezerb: :(
2014-04-22 17:20:45 renoirb knows, just scribing
2014-04-22 17:20:57 renoirb: Doug: We've had ability to add templates
2014-04-22 17:21:05 renoirb: ... flags on templates
2014-04-22 17:21:24 renoirb: ... do we know enough; How do we script against SMW so we can trigger flags on or off.
2014-04-22 17:21:31 renoirb: ... does anybody else can help on that
2014-04-22 17:22:15 renoirb: [Doug will talk with eliezerb about what we can do, and what is missing]
2014-04-22 17:23:18 renoirb: Jen: [asks about how to use, and is offering to help]
2014-04-22 17:23:44 renoirb: Doug: We have a solution. But the solution is that we are to remove the old flags, and put the new flags in. But they will all be unchecked
2014-04-22 17:24:06 renoirb: ... this is where the script will be usefull. To read what was the old flags, and activate on the new flag model
2014-04-22 17:24:14 renoirb: ... using a script
2014-04-22 17:24:51 eliot: I think that this summarizes where we ended up with flags: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2013Dec/0035.html
2014-04-22 17:25:19 renoirb: yes, eliezerb
2014-04-22 17:25:25 renoirb: ooh, yes, eliot
2014-04-22 17:25:40 eliezerb: We have another mail comming, under renoirb review
2014-04-22 17:26:38 renoirb: [Jen is suggesting that we manually adjust flags on each page. It'll be a good way to also have an inventory of what we have]
2014-04-22 17:26:59 eliezerb agree with Jen
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2014-04-22 17:27:49 renoirb: Renoir: [Mentions to the conf call about the email that elizer sent Renoir]
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2014-04-22 17:28:09 renoirb: Jen: Suggesting to have a first pass
2014-04-22 17:28:42 renoirb: ... instead of a Google Docs, to have a mediawiki managed list of the pages
2014-04-22 17:28:50 renoirb: ... will be more useful in the long run
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2014-04-22 17:29:45 renoirb: ... essentially to have a list of all pages in some way by readyness order
2014-04-22 17:29:56 eliot: suggests that we have a "flagger" badge (or something else more clever) for those participating in the manual work.
2014-04-22 17:30:38 renoirb: ... There are 5 states, last would be "not marked yet" so we can use it as a TODO
2014-04-22 17:30:53 renoirb: [confirming the concept of Flags and how to list it]
2014-04-22 17:31:46 renoirb: [Amelia says that she's been reading SMW lately]
2014-04-22 17:31:58 renoirb: Doug: Asking Eliot about the current flags
2014-04-22 17:32:22 renoirb: Eliot: The list is available from the mailing list archive <= http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2013Dec/0035.html
2014-04-22 17:32:44 renoirb: ... will be very nice to have such "TODO"
2014-04-22 17:32:51 renoirb: [Doug confirms]
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2014-04-22 17:34:07 renoirb: Project idea:  Walk through ALL CSS content, with a list view based on the "new" flag system, listing by "not flagged at all", then while walking through, contributors will be able to flag appropriately.
2014-04-22 17:34:43 renoirb: eliot, can you confirm ^
2014-04-22 17:34:55 renoirb: just to be sure it makes sense
2014-04-22 17:35:35 renoirb: eliot?
2014-04-22 17:35:42 renoirb: [renoir asks Eliot to validate]
2014-04-22 17:35:58 eliot: What we'll have is a set of "readiness" flags: ready to use, almost ready, etc.
2014-04-22 17:36:02 renoirb: Jen: Design wise it will be more useful than a set of flages.
2014-04-22 17:36:11 renoirb: Doug: Asking how do we execute on it
2014-04-22 17:36:21 eliot: ...and then, we can add details in a comment box about what specific deficiencies are there.
2014-04-22 17:36:58 renoirb: ... suggesting that we could leverage the "dropdown" concept
2014-04-22 17:37:23 renoirb: ... and since its not a checkbox, we can state a default state. That's where we can say "not flagged at all" ... TODO!
2014-04-22 17:38:54 renoirb: [me summarizing the concept]
2014-04-22 17:39:11 renoirb: Jen: Wonders if we are actually using MW flags, or something that seems like it.
2014-04-22 17:40:07 renoirb: AmeliaBR: could be an addition and not delete the old flags
2014-04-22 17:40:11 renoirb: ... Caputure the flag!
2014-04-22 17:40:16 renoirb: ^ eliot
2014-04-22 17:40:48 renoirb: Doug: [Reminding about flags and the side effects]
2014-04-22 17:41:34 renoirb: Jen: Strongly suggests to add the flags at the bottom (as metadata), maybe not render them, and stop using RED. Its metadata, not big warning.
2014-04-22 17:42:06 renoirb: Doug: Confirming they should be at the bottom of both views, edit and view ... view.
2014-04-22 17:42:19 renoirb: Jen: Asks that we can make sure we can list pages with same flags
2014-04-22 17:42:41 renoirb: ACTION: To ensure that flag links leads to a page listing pages that has same flag on them
2014-04-22 17:42:56 eliezerb: renoirb: we do
2014-04-22 17:43:15 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty/Content_quality_flag/Incomplete
2014-04-22 17:43:17 renoirb: Doug: Suggesting to remove temporarily the flags (without deleting the data) and put the readyness
2014-04-22 17:44:06 renoirb: ... workflow. So later we can read the data from the former tags, remove the barrier of "red flags" for the short term, and later we'll script and re-use that data later on.
2014-04-22 17:44:31 renoirb: ... the idea is to remove the edition of them, just keep the data without displaying nor editing it
2014-04-22 17:44:36 renoirb: ... we'll query it later.
2014-04-22 17:44:45 renoirb: ... and focus on the readyness dropdown
2014-04-22 17:44:58 renoirb is just scribing.
2014-04-22 17:45:23 renoirb: eliezerb, shepazu said he'd have a talk with you later.
2014-04-22 17:45:37 eliezerb: Cool, sorry, I'll be on hold, thanks
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2014-04-22 17:51:05 renoirb: Eliot: Suggests shepazu to make an implementation proposal on the mailing list
2014-04-22 17:51:17 renoirb: ... Shepazu is asking Jen if she can.
2014-04-22 17:51:28 renoirb: [Jen agrees]
2014-04-22 17:51:40 eliot: +1 to the efficacy of the new solution using readiness states
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2014-04-22 17:51:56 renoirb: Doug: We should have a way to query pages based on flags or other properties
2014-04-22 17:52:02 AmeliaBR: Example of flag search (this is linked from one of the help pages for beginners, shows all pages with "Needs Summary"): http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAsk&q=%5B%5BContent_quality_flag%3A%3A~Needs+Summary%5D%5D%0D%0A++%5B%5BChecked_Out%3A%3Afalse%5D%5D&po=&eq=yes&p%5Bformat%5D=broadtable&sort_num=&order_num=ASC&p%5Blimit%5D=&p%5Boffset%5D=&p%5Blink%5D=all&p%5Bsort%5D=&p%5Bheaders%5D=show&p%5Bmainlabel%5D=
2014-04-22 17:52:09 renoirb: [Renoir validated how to query]
2014-04-22 17:52:18 renoirb: e.g. http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Ask_API
2014-04-22 17:53:35 renoirb you can see frozenice's WPD stats info utility <=  http://webplatform.frozenice.de/pageinfo.html
2014-04-22 17:54:02 renoirb .. example: http://webplatform.frozenice.de/pageinfo.html#css/properties/border-radius
2014-04-22 17:54:33 eliot: Could do something like the W3C specs use. See this for the blue stripe: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-polyglot/
2014-04-22 17:57:11 eliot: Doug pulls foot from mouth
2014-04-22 17:58:06 renoirb: #TOPIC quick introductions
2014-04-22 17:58:12 renoirb: * Amelia
2014-04-22 17:58:15 renoirb: * Shepazu
2014-04-22 17:58:17 renoirb: * jensimmons
2014-04-22 17:59:25 renoirb: * Jen worked on: Editor guide,
2014-04-22 17:59:33 renoirb: ... proposed changes for links
2014-04-22 17:59:39 eliot: jensimmons: workiong on editing pages. Consolidating. Going to keep working.
2014-04-22 17:59:48 renoirb ... thanks eliot 
2014-04-22 17:59:53 eliot: ....deleting pages ultimately. Please provide feedback
2014-04-22 17:59:58 renoirb missed it
2014-04-22 18:00:16 renoirb: shepazu: Meeting is ending
2014-04-22 18:00:20 eliot: ...some pages were moved and others moved twice, so we need to check on navigation links.
2014-04-22 18:00:25 renoirb: ... says if somebody can go to docsprint in europoe
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2014-04-22 18:01:04 jensimmons: readiness marker
2014-04-22 18:01:11 renoirb: ACTIONS:
2014-04-22 18:02:28 renoirb: Thanks everybody
2014-04-22 18:02:31 renoirb: [adjourned]
2014-04-22 18:05:15 renoirb previous meeting notes were at >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/General/2014/0415_raw_mtg_notes
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2014-04-22 18:11:26 renoirb: jensimmons, AmeliaBR, look here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty?property=Content_quality_flag&value=Examples%20Best%20Practices
2014-04-22 18:12:05 renoirb: oh, AmeliaBR showed it already.
2014-04-22 18:12:33 renoirb: frozenice's utility at http://webplatform.frozenice.de/pageinfo.html is very useful
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2014-04-22 18:17:47 frozenice: btw I also made an embeddable list for displaying pages with a certain flag (and more), it's used here http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#Edit_for_spelling_.26_grammar
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2014-04-22 18:18:09 frozenice: check the source for Configurable_Query
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2014-04-22 18:18:42 frozenice: has a "GUI" too: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=User:Frozenice/Customized_Lists_Test&action=formedit
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2014-04-22 18:20:43 renoirb is going meta<-->meta http://webplatform.frozenice.de/pageinfo.html#User:Frozenice/Customized_Lists_Test
2014-04-22 18:21:33 frozenice: "Has query", never seen that property before
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2014-04-22 18:21:51 frozenice: eliezerb: if you want to go crazy: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Configurable_Query&action=edit :D
2014-04-22 18:21:56 renoirb: ok, frozenice, you really put your head in this < http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Configurable_Query&action=edit
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2014-04-22 18:22:44 frozenice: I actually had some fun putting this together :)
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2014-04-22 18:28:36 renoirb: Its powerful.
2014-04-22 18:30:49 frozenice: I just realized that we probably need to update it for the new flags :)
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2014-04-22 18:54:02 jensimmons: these debates about whether or not it’s easy to make certain kinds of lists of content make me really miss Drupal. In Drupal it’s a PIECE OF CAKE to make any kind of list you want based on any kind of querey. Ever. Any. And you can even expose the filters to the end user so they can click and reorder a list or filter based on whatever they want. Easy. We could switch…. Drupal. I’m just saying....
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2014-04-22 18:58:46 renoirb: In fact, frozenice, I have a project on the side for this
2014-04-22 18:59:02 renoirb: At http://sandbox.webplatform.org/test/ its the latest (until two weeks ago)
2014-04-22 18:59:25 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Version  <>  http://sandbox.webplatform.org/test/Special:Version
2014-04-22 19:00:46 renoirb: jensimmons, i think that drupal will deprecate itself w/ Drupal 8. At last a PHP cms that uses a Real ORM.
2014-04-22 19:00:56 renoirb: just saying :)
2014-04-22 19:01:07 jensimmons: you think Drupal will die at v8?
2014-04-22 19:01:12 jensimmons: Is that what you mean?
2014-04-22 19:01:25 renoirb: no, that drupal < 8 will be obseleted
2014-04-22 19:01:30 renoirb: by Drupal 8
2014-04-22 19:01:42 jensimmons: oh taht always happens — but not right away. It takes a few years
2014-04-22 19:01:46 jensimmons: D8 will kill D6
2014-04-22 19:01:52 jensimmons: D7 will stick around until D9
2014-04-22 19:02:02 jensimmons: it’s about a 5 year cycle
2014-04-22 19:02:27 jensimmons: https://drupal.org/project/usage/drupal
2014-04-22 19:02:42 dcervantes: Heavy adpotion for D8 won't pick up for about a year
2014-04-22 19:02:47 jensimmons: yup
2014-04-22 19:02:49 jensimmons: that’s true too
2014-04-22 19:03:01 dcervantes: Maybe moreso
2014-04-22 19:03:01 jensimmons: well, and D8 won’t be out for a while yet either
2014-04-22 19:03:14 dcervantes: Especially since there is a heavy paradigm shift for D8
2014-04-22 19:03:41 jensimmons: but Views module (which is what I was talking about ^^) has been AWESOME for years now. For D6. For D7… it doesn’t need D8
2014-04-22 19:04:06 Garbee: frozenice: You understand the API to the wiki system don't you? At least somewhat iirc.
2014-04-22 19:04:14 frozenice: yup
2014-04-22 19:04:38 renoirb: I have to tell that although I write PHP since always and that I hate MW's structure.  I think that what isn't using Symfony2 or similar components is pointless. PHP can now do DependencyInjection, AspectOrientedProgramming, has a Real ORM similar to SQLAlchemy/Hibernate2 ... things that great other languages frameworks do.  Other php framework aren't yet close to this.
2014-04-22 19:04:54 Garbee: Do you know if it is possible to grab a users commit/change history times only?
2014-04-22 19:05:09 Garbee is reading WPD:API now to see if it may link to somewhere that would tell me.
2014-04-22 19:05:15 renoirb: Hi dcervantes, never seen you around. Hi!
2014-04-22 19:06:03 renoirb: But we are not to change complete CMS infrastructure for the sake of changing. We are gradually creating components to have greater flexibility.
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2014-04-22 19:06:23 renoirb: In the meantime we build all the surrounding components, people can actually work on the content (what we need most).
2014-04-22 19:06:32 frozenice: Garbee: so basically this list but only the timestamps? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Frozenice
2014-04-22 19:06:35 Garbee: Looks like it will be a part of the default MediaWiki API if available.
2014-04-22 19:06:47 Garbee: frozenice: yup.
2014-04-22 19:07:06 Garbee: frozenice: I want to give a shot at building a heatmapper: http://kamisama.github.io/cal-heatmap
2014-04-22 19:07:07 Garbee: ;)
2014-04-22 19:07:20 Garbee: Pull contribution data in via a username provided, and heatmap their contributions.
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2014-04-22 19:07:47 frozenice: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=usercontribs&ucuser=Frozenice&uclimit=50&ucprop=timestamp
2014-04-22 19:08:06 eliezerb: frozenice: I never saw so well fromated SMW code
2014-04-22 19:08:17 Garbee: frozenice: I love you.
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2014-04-22 19:08:18 Garbee: :D
2014-04-22 19:08:21 Garbee: Thanks dude.
2014-04-22 19:08:23 renoirb: frozenice, do we have a way to know events to update a search index?
2014-04-22 19:08:32 frozenice: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php search for list=usercontribs (uc) for more params Garbee
2014-04-22 19:08:45 eliezerb: frozenice: FIX: I never saw so well fromated SMW code **working**
2014-04-22 19:08:48 frozenice: you can filter the namespace etc
2014-04-22 19:08:51 renoirb: since you are here, i had in mind to ask you someday about it. So we could populate an ElasticSearch Index
2014-04-22 19:08:52 Garbee: Cool, I already did format=json to get it in the right output.
2014-04-22 19:09:37 frozenice: eliezerb: thanks :)
2014-04-22 19:10:02 frozenice: renoirb: events?
2014-04-22 19:11:02 renoirb: Sorry frozenice, if we could have a system that sends content of a page to an ElasticSearch index when it gets updated ("event", even though MW doesnt have the concept of it)
2014-04-22 19:11:32 renoirb: Unless we leverage http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EventLogging
2014-04-22 19:12:17 frozenice: only the RecentChanges log comes to mind
2014-04-22 19:12:39 renoirb: Ok, I think that the Extension:EventLogging will be much helpful to that then.
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2014-04-22 19:15:11 renoirb: the idea, frozenice, is that provided we can keep somewhere the URL of all page that gets changes, we have a process runner that reduces this queue and spits html content into an elastic search index.
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2014-04-22 19:15:37 renoirb: Later on, we'd serve an ElasticSearch client to show the results
2014-04-22 19:15:40 frozenice: I guess you can do a simple extension that hooks the page updated event
2014-04-22 19:15:49 renoirb: that's what I just got to think
2014-04-22 19:16:04 renoirb: so, yeah. I forgot that capability when I started the subject :/
2014-04-22 19:16:35 renoirb: I might need Redis for some monitoring. maybe i'll use a special queue only for the index updates.
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2014-04-22 19:40:08 frozenice: jensimmons: If you click on a flag term, it should go to a list of all content with that flag — and it doesn't. <-- fixed!?
2014-04-22 19:40:18 jensimmons: oh wow
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2014-04-22 19:40:26 jensimmons: well, that's nice
2014-04-22 19:40:34 frozenice: might need to wait until each page is refreshed
2014-04-22 19:40:36 frozenice: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/Node/appendChild is
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2014-04-23 02:33:32 eliezerb: renoirb: http://blog.sapegin.me/all/multilingual-docpad
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2014-04-24 20:29:47 eliezerb: shepazu: hey!
2014-04-24 20:30:23 shepazu: hey, eliezerb, just sent you an email
2014-04-24 20:30:50 shepazu: basically, could you change your new flags template to match Jen's description? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Apr/0086.html
2014-04-24 20:30:59 shepazu: I think we might not need a script, then
2014-04-24 20:31:06 eliezerb: shepazu: On test wiki?
2014-04-24 20:31:14 shepazu: eliezerb, yes, please
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2014-04-24 20:31:58 eliezerb: shepazu: I'll do it right now
2014-04-24 20:32:04 eliezerb: shepazu: Give me some minutes
2014-04-24 20:32:10 shepazu: whoah! you rock, eliezerb!
2014-04-24 20:33:07 eliezerb: shepazu: It's simple, just change some strings in a template
2014-04-24 20:34:47 shepazu: sure, it's simple, but that's not why you rock… it's your willingness to help that sets you apart :)
2014-04-24 20:36:00 shepazu: (and your responsiveness)
2014-04-24 20:36:14 eliezerb: shepazu: about "unknow"
2014-04-24 20:36:27 eliezerb: shepazu: Flag "Unknow"
2014-04-24 20:37:13 shepazu: "unknown", yes?
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2014-04-24 20:38:45 shepazu: eliezerb, ?
2014-04-24 20:38:58 eliezerb: shepazu: I mean, let's leave a option in the checklist with "Unknown"
2014-04-24 20:39:32 shepazu: eliezerb, no, I don't think so
2014-04-24 20:39:40 shepazu: or rather…
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2014-04-24 20:40:39 shepazu: let's just start with this: a dropdown with 4 values: Ready to Use, Almost Done, In Progress, Coming Later… and a single text field
2014-04-24 20:41:15 shepazu: eliezerb, now that I think about it, Unknown isn't necessary… the default should be "Coming Later"
2014-04-24 20:41:30 eliezerb: shepazu: ok!
2014-04-24 20:41:42 shepazu: anyway, that's a good place to start
2014-04-24 20:42:20 eliezerb: shepazu: About the text field
2014-04-24 20:42:27 eliezerb: do you have any suggestions for the name?
2014-04-24 20:42:27 shepazu: yup?
2014-04-24 20:42:39 shepazu: "Details"
2014-04-24 20:47:38 eliezerb: shepazu: Maybe something to make clear that it is about Flag Details
2014-04-24 20:47:48 eliezerb: "Flag Details"
2014-04-24 20:48:15 shepazu: eliezerb, "Page Status Details"?
2014-04-24 20:48:28 eliezerb: shepazu: Yeah, looks cool!
2014-04-24 20:48:32 shepazu: and the dropdown can be "Page Status"
2014-04-24 20:52:52 frozenice: eliezerb: I assume you are using a SMW property for this, will it be clickable (like the current flags) in the article, to take you to a list of all pages that are, say "Almost Done"?
2014-04-24 20:53:08 eliezerb: frozenice: Yes
2014-04-24 20:53:18 eliezerb: frozenice: I'm creating new SMW properties to each one of the fields
2014-04-24 20:53:31 eliezerb: frozenice: Wondering about create a new Template to Page Status
2014-04-24 20:53:38 eliezerb: And get rid of the "Flags"
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2014-04-24 20:55:23 frozenice: ok, our current flags links weren't working for values with spaces etc. in them (Jen mentioned this in a mail), I recently fixed it, you can take a look at the fix if you want
2014-04-24 20:55:24 frozenice: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Flags&action=edit
2014-04-24 20:55:30 frozenice: the fullurl parser function
2014-04-24 20:55:44 frozenice: just to avoid broken links again :)
2014-04-24 20:56:03 eliezerb: frozenice: I got that issue
2014-04-24 20:56:14 eliezerb: frozenice: Do you think that we should avoid property names with spaces?
2014-04-24 20:56:18 frozenice: nah
2014-04-24 20:56:22 eliezerb: like "Page Status"
2014-04-24 20:56:32 eliezerb: Or was something with the SMW script?
2014-04-24 20:56:33 frozenice: it's fine if we link them properly
2014-04-24 20:56:45 frozenice: like I did not with the current flags
2014-04-24 20:56:48 frozenice: *I did now
2014-04-24 20:57:12 eliezerb: {{urlencode}}
2014-04-24 20:57:15 eliezerb: got it
2014-04-24 20:57:29 frozenice: also {{fullurl:}}
2014-04-24 20:58:01 eliezerb: Thank you for the advice!
2014-04-24 20:59:03 frozenice: no problemo!
2014-04-24 20:59:25 frozenice: off for the night, good luck :)
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2014-04-24 21:00:05 eliezerb: frozenice: thanks!
2014-04-24 21:00:09 eliezerb: frozenice: one more!
2014-04-24 21:00:21 eliezerb: frozenice: There are problems with "Page status" and "Page Status"
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2014-04-24 21:01:45 frozenice: what problems
2014-04-24 21:02:14 eliezerb: frozenice: It's different for SMW or it's the same?
2014-04-24 21:02:59 frozenice: hmm, I think casing doesn't matter
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2014-04-24 21:03:33 frozenice: Just try it out :)
2014-04-24 21:03:37 eliezerb: And a property and a template with same name?
2014-04-24 21:03:52 frozenice: is fine
2014-04-24 21:04:04 eliezerb: frozenice: It's case sensitive!
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2014-04-24 21:04:09 eliezerb: frozenice: Not a problem
2014-04-24 21:04:15 frozenice: ok
2014-04-24 21:04:16 eliezerb: frozenice: Thank you! Have a nice night!
2014-04-24 21:04:22 frozenice: nn
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2014-04-24 21:34:35 renoirb: frozenice, Ryan_Lane https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/dev-fxacct/2014-April/000795.html
2014-04-24 21:36:11 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: mediawiki doesn't currently use oauth2
2014-04-24 21:36:27 renoirb: There's an extension that I saw.
2014-04-24 21:37:08 renoirb: I also thought that i'd make a fork and get to know the MW user_id... and have an extension that will bootstrap on MW's side what's required.
2014-04-24 21:37:33 renoirb: Whichever works first.
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2014-04-24 21:52:08 eliezerb: shepazu: hey
2014-04-24 21:52:48 shepazu: hey, eliezerb
2014-04-24 21:53:25 eliezerb: shepazu: Chek it out http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/border
2014-04-24 21:53:33 eliezerb: Hit edit
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2014-04-24 21:56:09 eliezerb: shepazu: I'm not good with the messages and we need think in the best way to organize the html, but the Semantic Structure is ready
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2014-04-24 21:59:40 shepazu: eliezerb, renoirb, I can't seem to log in :(
2014-04-24 21:59:50 renoirb: where?
2014-04-24 22:00:22 renoirb: shepazu, its not the same password as the /wiki/
2014-04-24 22:00:29 shepazu: renoirb, http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/border
2014-04-24 22:00:39 shepazu: it is for me
2014-04-24 22:00:44 renoirb: uhm.
2014-04-24 22:01:57 shepazu: resetting, just in case
2014-04-24 22:02:59 shepazu: renoirb, even the reset password is not working.
2014-04-24 22:03:11 renoirb: let me find
2014-04-24 22:04:50 shepazu: renoirb, nm, I sorted it out, but still don't know why it wasn't working
2014-04-24 22:04:54 shepazu: maybe caching?
2014-04-24 22:05:36 renoirb: i just tried everything
2014-04-24 22:05:44 renoirb: all worked.
2014-04-24 22:05:58 shepazu: eliezerb, why is there a blank entry in the options for page status?
2014-04-24 22:06:21 eliezerb: shepazu: I'm finding a way to get rid that
2014-04-24 22:06:26 shepazu: ok
2014-04-24 22:06:33 eliezerb: shepazu: But on the other fields, it is there also
2014-04-24 22:06:35 renoirb: login, logout, forgotten password link,  got the email,  logged in with the password in forgotten password temporary email,  got page to change password, set new password there, it logged me in, then logged out, then logged in with that new password.
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2014-04-24 22:06:40 renoirb: I cannot tell what is the problem :#
2014-04-24 22:06:43 renoirb: :/
2014-04-24 22:07:04 renoirb is not yet acquainted with that keyboard
2014-04-24 22:07:35 shepazu: renoirb, nm, I worked around it, but it was broken
2014-04-24 22:07:44 renoirb: :/
2014-04-24 22:07:47 eliezerb: shepazu: I have to go, it will be great if jensimmons could give some suggestions for the form text
2014-04-24 22:08:02 shepazu: eliezerb, sure, thanks!
2014-04-24 22:08:13 eliezerb: shepazu: Later I will be online again to clean that up
2014-04-24 22:08:18 shepazu: eliezerb, cool
2014-04-24 22:08:28 eliezerb: shepazu: It's not ready, but soon it will be
2014-04-24 22:08:32 eliezerb: shepazu: Thank you!
2014-04-24 22:08:59 shepazu: eliezerb, where is the template URL?
2014-04-24 22:09:05 shepazu: I might work on it too
2014-04-24 22:09:24 eliezerb: Page Status                    http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Property:Page_Status
2014-04-24 22:09:25 eliezerb: Page Status Details         http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Property:Page_Status_Details
2014-04-24 22:09:25 eliezerb: Template                         http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Template:Page_Status
2014-04-24 22:09:25 eliezerb: Form Template                http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Template:Page_Status_Form_Section
2014-04-24 22:09:37 shepazu: thanks
2014-04-24 22:09:42 jensimmons: yay for progress!
2014-04-24 22:10:19 eliezerb: +1 to clean all the HTML on the templates
2014-04-24 22:12:22 jensimmons: let me know what it is you need from me. I’m not sure what “give some suggestions for the form text” means
2014-04-24 22:12:36 eliezerb: jensimmons: The messages in the form
2014-04-24 22:12:55 eliezerb: jensimmons: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=css/properties/border-radius&action=formedit
2014-04-24 22:13:10 eliezerb: " Please select below the actual status of this page. "
2014-04-24 22:13:18 eliezerb: "Insert here the details of the status for this page: "
2014-04-24 22:13:24 eliezerb: This kind of messages
2014-04-24 22:14:01 eliezerb brb
2014-04-24 22:14:09 shepazu: (the microsyntax)
2014-04-24 22:14:15 jensimmons: this? http://monosnap.com/image/5DRT54wwFhvv072BFQlbDkTW3SFAXU.png
2014-04-24 22:14:21 jensimmons: cool
2014-04-24 22:14:56 shepazu: oops, I mean, microcopy
2014-04-24 22:15:02 shepazu: yes, that bit
2014-04-24 22:19:17 jensimmons: this, I think: http://monosnap.com/image/X2xtWr3fhrbcG3cvJXEy1NibRIyZPh.png
2014-04-24 22:20:12 jensimmons: I don’t like “Page Status"
2014-04-24 22:20:20 jensimmons: I don’t like Page Status
2014-04-24 22:20:32 jensimmons: wtf, IRC… why is nothing showing up?
2014-04-24 22:20:37 jensimmons: hellO/
2014-04-24 22:21:17 eliezerb: jensimmons: We are listening
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2014-04-24 22:21:39 jensimmons: I like State better than status
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2014-04-24 22:22:18 jensimmons: And it’s not a “page” acutally — it’s a unit of content that might be displayed on a page, or in a list, or in an API… we should stay away from the idea that this CMS is for making “web pages"
2014-04-24 22:22:29 Garbee: Also, "Insert here the details of the status for this page:" Reads better as "Provide any extra details on the status here:"
2014-04-24 22:22:31 jensimmons: so…. just “State: [thing]” works
2014-04-24 22:22:44 jensimmons: I don’t think we need any directions like that
2014-04-24 22:22:46 jensimmons: ^
2014-04-24 22:23:05 Garbee: So, "Status Details: " then?
2014-04-24 22:23:06 jensimmons: It only basically says: “Use this dropdown menu to enter content into this CMS”
2014-04-24 22:23:08 Garbee: KISS
2014-04-24 22:23:11 jensimmons: which is obvious
2014-04-24 22:23:25 jensimmons: look at the drawing I drew. Can you see it
2014-04-24 22:23:26 jensimmons: ?
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2014-04-24 22:23:36 jensimmons: the one with the grey box & text?
2014-04-24 22:23:36 Garbee: oh
2014-04-24 22:23:44 jensimmons:  I crossed out the parts we don’t need in red
2014-04-24 22:23:54 Garbee: sorry, I completely missed htat.
2014-04-24 22:23:58 jensimmons: all that “insert here” etc we can drop
2014-04-24 22:24:03 jensimmons: people know what a form does
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2014-04-24 22:24:14 Garbee: Yea, and you wrote in the text that should be there.
2014-04-24 22:24:16 Garbee agrees.
2014-04-24 22:24:32 jensimmons: it’s so funny how when making a form, it seems like all that stuff is needed. Such a strong habit to put it in.
2014-04-24 22:24:42 jensimmons: but really, it’s ok to leave it out
2014-04-24 22:24:50 Garbee: Yea, we are targeting devs...
2014-04-24 22:26:15 jensimmons: maybe this is even better for the text on the box...
2014-04-24 22:26:21 jensimmons: brb
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2014-04-24 22:27:23 jensimmons: sorry
2014-04-24 22:27:53 jensimmons: “What could be added or changed to make this Documentation better?"
2014-04-24 22:27:56 jensimmons: that works
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2014-04-24 22:28:56 jensimmons: “need” is too strong & judgemental. One question is better than two.
2014-04-24 22:38:03 shepazu: jensimmons, I'm no longer convinced we need to have the text field at all… we can't really search on the contents of that field anyway
2014-04-24 22:38:27 jensimmons: the text isn’t for searching — your right, there’s no seraching on that
2014-04-24 22:38:28 shepazu: and that's what the commenting/annotation system is for, to point out the specific flaws
2014-04-24 22:38:39 jensimmons: we’d have to go back to flags / taxonomy if seraching is the goal
2014-04-24 22:38:44 jensimmons: but I don’t think that’s it at all
2014-04-24 22:39:01 jensimmons: I think it’s a place for people who are helping to improve the docs to leave notes for each other
2014-04-24 22:39:28 jensimmons: and to leave “sorry, this isn’t as good as I wanted it to but I hope it’s better, will you other people help finish it” notes
2014-04-24 22:39:28 Garbee: Yea, +1 to dropping that input entirely.
2014-04-24 22:39:34 Garbee: Using the annotation system for it makes sense.
2014-04-24 22:39:38 jensimmons: -1 to dropping it
2014-04-24 22:40:02 jensimmons: the problem with expecting the anntation system to handle this need is that the annotation system is still a Whole Separate Thing
2014-04-24 22:40:02 Garbee: If we are going to have editors notes, let's actually make an Editor's Notes section.
2014-04-24 22:40:07 jensimmons: I still can’t even log in
2014-04-24 22:40:10 Garbee: something not tied to the status of the page at all.
2014-04-24 22:40:13 jensimmons: it’s not really functional yet
2014-04-24 22:40:27 Garbee: Yea, we kinda do need SSO...
2014-04-24 22:40:37 shepazu: jensimmons, renoir is making the annotation system have SSO with the main wiki
2014-04-24 22:40:42 Garbee: ugh. Too much softwares.
2014-04-24 22:40:54 jensimmons: once perhaps annotations is more proven & we see people using it… and we have single sign on, maybe we could drop the field then
2014-04-24 22:40:58 jensimmons: but for now, I thin kwe need it
2014-04-24 22:41:43 eliezerb: -1 to dropping
2014-04-24 22:41:52 jensimmons: it also has the advantage of Being Right There
2014-04-24 22:41:57 eliezerb: We could use that field to point tasks in the page to the new contributors
2014-04-24 22:42:26 jensimmons: annotations is good for discussion & debate, but once there’s consensus or a clean To-Do, this field is a place to make a note that’s not a big deal
2014-04-24 22:42:43 jensimmons: it’s not a ticket in a ticketing system, it’s not a separate thing to go look it — it’s Just Right There
2014-04-24 22:42:56 jensimmons: we could create it & then see how it goes
2014-04-24 22:43:15 Garbee: Well, why don't we do this. Add a true "Editors Notes" section. This way there is a place for people editing to put stuff (that isn't displayed on the page when rendered) to let other people editing know. Like, "Hey, this section needs some work. I just did it real quick on break to get something in place." or "Don't put ST back into this list or I'll hunt
2014-04-24 22:43:15 Garbee: you down." (just more thoughtfully phrased. ;) ) That way it isn't tied into the status of the document.
2014-04-24 22:43:37 jensimmons: um… I like just having a simple field
2014-04-24 22:43:55 jensimmons: the revision history hs a place for notes to log what’s been changed
2014-04-24 22:44:04 jensimmons: and to keep a rolling list / changelog
2014-04-24 22:44:06 jensimmons: already
2014-04-24 22:44:44 jensimmons: when we talked about this in the meeting Tues, it came up as a simplified way to capture what the flags were for.
2014-04-24 22:44:53 jensimmons: to just say — this needs an example
2014-04-24 22:45:01 jensimmons: this needs to be double-checked
2014-04-24 22:45:06 Garbee: Who looks at the revision history unless we are looking to rollback something or we are looking at who did something?
2014-04-24 22:45:07 jensimmons: this may be going to change
2014-04-24 22:45:13 Garbee: and that is assuming people use it properly.
2014-04-24 22:45:35 shepazu: that text area takes up a huge block of real estate at the top of the page, and its purpose and usage is vague, which is the same problem we encountered for the list of checkboxes. I'd prefer to remove it, or at least make it smaller
2014-04-24 22:45:39 Garbee: Plus I'm not sure what the revision history really has to do with what the document needs in the future to be ready.
2014-04-24 22:45:53 jensimmons: I just don’t think we need a more complicated Editor’s Notes thingy
2014-04-24 22:46:04 jensimmons: I don’t think we should add overhead
2014-04-24 22:46:09 shepazu: -1 to Editor's Notes
2014-04-24 22:46:11 jensimmons: and put the field in a separate place
2014-04-24 22:46:16 shepazu: I agree with Jen
2014-04-24 22:46:26 jensimmons: it’s too much work to understand & do something about
2014-04-24 22:46:33 jensimmons: and more work == less particpation
2014-04-24 22:46:35 Garbee: so what is a good way for editors to leave notes for other people looking at stuff? Just doing what I'm doing now and leaving an HTML comment in the section?
2014-04-24 22:47:09 shepazu: Garbee, that's what annotations are for.
2014-04-24 22:47:33 shepazu: we plan to finish that feature by the end of May
2014-04-24 22:47:35 Garbee: Yea, as if people will pay attention to those anymore they do the comments we have now in the sections.
2014-04-24 22:47:57 Garbee: I already left a note on the section comments "Do not add ST back to this list", 3 or 4 more times since then I have gone in and removed it.
2014-04-24 22:48:05 jensimmons: how about this?? http://monosnap.com/image/bzD0HXS1AAuDr7jwlRfykm64mumzY9.png
2014-04-24 22:48:10 shepazu: Garbee, the problem with the comments is that they have poor discoverability
2014-04-24 22:48:12 Garbee: Hopefully the HTML comment I left will get seen by editors.
2014-04-24 22:48:42 Garbee: jensimmons: added or change/ swapped with just "modified"?
2014-04-24 22:49:08 shepazu: jensimmons, can you make it a smaller text area, just a text field?
2014-04-24 22:49:09 jensimmons: wel, if we need a way for editors to leave each other notes about particular fields, let’s figure out a solution to that separately
2014-04-24 22:49:38 jensimmons: I think the text field should be a multi-line box, not a 255-char max one-line field, if that’s what you mean
2014-04-24 22:49:57 shepazu: jensimmons, why?
2014-04-24 22:50:08 jensimmons: actually I like “added or changed” better, I think
2014-04-24 22:50:26 jensimmons: because one-line boxes are super constraining, and I think we need more space than that
2014-04-24 22:50:59 jensimmons: we may not need more than 255 chars, but the one line is so visually constraining, those fields are more like 50-char max fields
2014-04-24 22:52:01 Garbee: Can't we reduce the size of the textbox using CSS or one of its attributes?
2014-04-24 22:52:17 Garbee: because they are made to expand if people want more space.
2014-04-24 22:52:18 eliezerb: Garbee: We can reduce in the SMW
2014-04-24 22:52:33 eliezerb: rows and cols
2014-04-24 22:52:39 Garbee: Yea, so keep textarea, but reduce the actual default size.
2014-04-24 22:52:44 shepazu: jensimmons, I'm still not convinced that people will know how to use this text area
2014-04-24 22:52:46 jensimmons: yeah we can do that
2014-04-24 22:52:48 Garbee: Nice compromise there.
2014-04-24 22:53:03 jensimmons: make the default box a bit smaller, but keep it a text area, not a one-liner
2014-04-24 22:53:29 shepazu: I think we need to keep it simpler
2014-04-24 22:53:52 jensimmons: we could discuss this next Tuesday — whether to have the field at all or not. I’d like to hear what Eliot thinks
2014-04-24 22:54:16 shepazu: I'll mention it on list, see if we can resolve it there
2014-04-24 22:54:29 jensimmons: the idea was proposed to replace the functionality of the flag data….
2014-04-24 22:54:40 jensimmons: yeah email… it’s just hard to do good design in chat
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2014-04-24 22:54:43 jensimmons: if not impossible
2014-04-24 22:55:12 Garbee: Well, we shouldn't be making non-trivial decisions based purely on IRC conversation anyways. :P
2014-04-24 22:55:34 shepazu: I don' t think this is a critical decision
2014-04-24 22:55:35 jensimmons: I think these two fields should be linked together — that’s what that grey box represents. A kind of WHY is this Doc in this state?
2014-04-24 22:55:55 jensimmons: We just marked it “Almost Done” — what’s “almost” about it
2014-04-24 22:55:59 jensimmons: ?
2014-04-24 22:56:14 Garbee: shepazu: This is a part of the templates, which are a PITA to modify later on. Each thing done to this should be discussed thoroughly.
2014-04-24 22:56:23 jensimmons: oh… it’s waiting for Compatilbity Tables? Ok, then there’s nothing to edit manually
2014-04-24 22:56:43 jensimmons: or oh, this needs an example? Ok, I could help with that
2014-04-24 22:56:46 eliezerb: We can hide the field if the page is ready...
2014-04-24 22:56:47 shepazu: I'd like it better if the field disappeared when the page is marked "done"
2014-04-24 22:57:04 jensimmons: that might be a good idea
2014-04-24 22:57:23 Garbee: Wow, I thought that was always the plan.
2014-04-24 22:58:18 jensimmons: I like the idea that the page is marked “In Progress” or “Almost Done” and then when a person clicks on a little icon or something (when *reading* the page, not editing it), the contents of this page is revealed. With a tiny ad of some kind encouraging people to help out...
2014-04-24 22:58:28 jensimmons: not sure what that should look like yet
2014-04-24 22:58:53 jensimmons: but I don’t think that this note should be displayed on the page for readers by default. It should only appear upon request or something
2014-04-24 22:58:59 jensimmons: imo
2014-04-24 22:59:11 eliezerb: I agree
2014-04-24 23:00:21 jensimmons: we could start with it not displaying at all, and then create something that works to display it upon request — after we’ve figured out how to display the state itself
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2014-04-25 02:17:00 eliezerb: hey shepazu!
2014-04-25 02:18:03 eliezerb: Some conclusion about the States? Or let's wait until next meeting?
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2014-04-25 02:21:51 shepazu: eliezerb, you mean with the text area?
2014-04-25 02:22:01 eliezerb: Everythin
2014-04-25 02:22:06 eliezerb: About the Template names
2014-04-25 02:22:11 eliezerb: Name convention
2014-04-25 02:22:14 eliezerb: And so on
2014-04-25 02:22:31 shepazu: I don't think it's woth arguing anymore, just go with Jen's suggestions
2014-04-25 02:22:38 shepazu: it's pretty minor
2014-04-25 02:22:50 eliezerb: So let's rename to State
2014-04-25 02:22:59 eliezerb: and State Detail
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2014-04-25 02:23:08 eliezerb: instead of "Page Status"
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2014-04-25 02:30:25 shepazu: sounds good
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2014-04-25 02:33:42 eliezerb: I'll work on that for a couple of hours, then I mail the ML, thanks for the patience shepazu
2014-04-25 02:34:03 shepazu: no, thank you, eliezerb, you're the one doing the work
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2014-04-25 04:09:46 eliezerb: shepazu: Just sent the email :) Now it's way much better than before
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2014-04-25 04:11:01 eliezerb: If you see something weird just mail me, then I can fix
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2014-04-26 01:31:44 L2L2L: ...
2014-04-26 01:32:59 L2L2L: Okay, well I join the site, I like the site layout, but it'll be better if you could have a forum area.
2014-04-26 01:33:41 L2L2L: I guess that it... Bye.
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2014-04-27 10:12:26 onei: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=WPD:Editors_Guide&redirect=no needs to point to [[WPD:Contributors_Guide]]
2014-04-27 10:17:14 frozenice: onei: fixed!
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2014-04-29 16:42:29 eliezerb: renoirb: Don't know if you have acces to the Webplatform.org Facebook page... But in the about page https://www.facebook.com/WebPlatformDocs/info the email contact could be the public-webplatform@w3.org instead of the admin ML, what do you think?
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2014-04-29 17:10:00 eliot: Notes for community meeting, 4/29/14
2014-04-29 17:10:09 eliot: TOPIC: Talking about browsers
2014-04-29 17:10:17 eliot: TOPIC: Readiness markers
2014-04-29 17:10:35 eliot: shepazu: Eliezer has a rough draft done. Jen refined it a bit.
2014-04-29 17:10:44 eliot: Jen: Yep
2014-04-29 17:11:20 eliot: Amelia: Gave some follow up suggestions in mail.
2014-04-29 17:11:33 eliot: s/Amelia/AmeliaBR
2014-04-29 17:11:38 AmeliaBR: eliezerb you lurking here?
2014-04-29 17:12:00 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Yes!
2014-04-29 17:12:18 eliot: JenSimmons: Talking about how information is displayed to users.
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2014-04-29 17:12:33 eliot: AmeliaBR: Keeping it simple for how it works for editors.
2014-04-29 17:12:57 eliot: JenSimmons: The editors notebox. Delete it?
2014-04-29 17:13:08 eliot: shepazu: ultimately not that important.
2014-04-29 17:13:33 eliot: AmeliaBR: could have the notes visible only in the form view, for editors only.
2014-04-29 17:13:56 eliot: JenSimmons: I want it to be a kind of metadata, out of immediate vision.
2014-04-29 17:14:21 eliot: shepazu: If a page is ready, we shouldn't display anything. It's the normal state of the page.
2014-04-29 17:14:42 eliot: AmeliaBR: But at this point, I could see an argument for saying the page is ready to use.
2014-04-29 17:15:33 eliot: ...the comparison I suppose is currently the flags. No flags is ready to use. Same with readiness.
2014-04-29 17:15:50 eliot: shepazu: Yes, I meant on the reader view. All this info is in the editor view.
2014-04-29 17:16:54 eliot: JenSimmons: Maybe our plan can be to figure out the technical limitations now. Work out details of how it's displayed later.
2014-04-29 17:17:25 eliot: AmeliaBR: We can implement the form and have it displayed as plain text. Work on it from there. First have the functionality.
2014-04-29 17:18:33 eliot: JenSimmons: Lose the word "page" b/c the content may get displayed in many places.
2014-04-29 17:18:56 eliot: shepazu: may be cinfusing to what this applies to
2014-04-29 17:19:07 eliot: s/cinfusing/confusing
2014-04-29 17:19:43 eliot: shepazu: We sd be clear to our users that we're talking about the status of the article in the docs, NOT the API
2014-04-29 17:19:58 eliot: Julee: Are we not doing the W3C marker?
2014-04-29 17:20:07 eliot: shepazu: we are, but that's different.
2014-04-29 17:21:10 eliot: eliot: we could wordsmith it. This "content" is ready, or something like that.
2014-04-29 17:21:38 eliot: AmeliaBR: 1 related issue: we need clear definitions of the rediness states.
2014-04-29 17:22:12 eliot: JenSimmons: We talked about that. We've not figured it out yet. It's a tough question.
2014-04-29 17:22:17 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Property:State
2014-04-29 17:22:28 eliot: AmeliaBR: I wrote up some brief samples and posted to IRC.
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2014-04-29 17:23:22 eliot: jensimmons: It's the middle states that are ambiguous. WPW pages, pages where some people are working on them, etc.
2014-04-29 17:24:22 eliot: ...Coming later can mean peple have expressed intent to work. In progress and almost done, are "Hey, this is kind of done, and there's not much to do on this."
2014-04-29 17:24:33 eliot: ...but we might want to use it in different ways later on.
2014-04-29 17:25:08 eliot: AmeliaBR: The main content that should be there is of good quality but therre may be extra things added. That's almost done.
2014-04-29 17:25:45 eliot: JenSimmons: Could be ready, but there might be a mistake. We fix it. Coming later means it's not ready, it's coming.
2014-04-29 17:26:18 eliot: ...hoping that it's not like a level of quality control.
2014-04-29 17:26:53 eliot: AmeliaBR: Don't want to do something like the old flag list. Just need some definitions to use.
2014-04-29 17:27:08 eliot: Julee: We just need to socialize it a bit.
2014-04-29 17:27:40 eliot: shepazu: let's just update AmeliaBR's page?
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2014-04-29 17:27:54 eliot: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Property:State
2014-04-29 17:28:58 eliot: shepazu: ACTION: Finalize the template
2014-04-29 17:29:12 eliot: ACTION: figure out how this is displayed in edit and reading view
2014-04-29 17:29:32 eliot: ACTION: refine the definitions and evangelize them
2014-04-29 17:30:00 eliot: All on JEn and AmeliaBR
2014-04-29 17:30:14 AmeliaBR: And eliezerb ???
2014-04-29 17:30:31 eliot: shepazu: Can this info pop up when someine changes the state?
2014-04-29 17:30:58 eliot: JenSimmons: The dropdown can have short descriptions. Or a link that goes to the definitions.
2014-04-29 17:32:12 eliot: ACTION on Eliezer: create linking mechanism to definitions
2014-04-29 17:32:20 eliot: TOPIC: Compat table update
2014-04-29 17:32:49 eliot: shepazu: Pat said he had some trouble building this thing. He'll be running it and get back to Doug.
2014-04-29 17:33:01 eliot: ...We should have data soon.
2014-04-29 17:33:10 eliot: ...Renoir working on an SSL
2014-04-29 17:33:19 eliot: ...s/SSL/SSO
2014-04-29 17:33:54 eliot: ...I sent a mail about passwords.
2014-04-29 17:34:19 eliot: ...Nobody seemed to have a problem with us asking members to reset passwords.
2014-04-29 17:34:36 eliot: AmeliaBR: Concern is to make it simple, clear, and all in one go.
2014-04-29 17:34:59 eliot: ...Renoir said it may not happen in one go.
2014-04-29 17:35:42 eliot: julee: one of the side benefits is that there are a lot of spammers registering. Side benefit is to clear that out.
2014-04-29 17:36:13 eliot: shepazu: hopefully, this might make it harder for spammers to create accounts.
2014-04-29 17:36:46 eliot: jensimmons: What's going into the SSO account, anyway
2014-04-29 17:37:10 eliot: ...which accounts?
2014-04-29 17:37:31 eliot: shepazu: For now, only the annotation system and the wiki.
2014-04-29 17:37:43 eliot: ....Maybe the blog, soon after, and then the issue tracker.
2014-04-29 17:38:08 eliot: ...they can then comment on blog posts.
2014-04-29 17:38:41 eliot: ...issue tracker's a higher priority, but it's quirky software, and we have to do it right.
2014-04-29 17:39:10 eliot: ...another component of FXA is a profile manager.
2014-04-29 17:39:40 eliot: ...we tried a SMW extension, but it kept breaking. FXA has a nicer profile system.
2014-04-29 17:40:04 eliot: ...This will let us more easily step out of SMW when we want.
2014-04-29 17:40:21 eliot: ...Renoir is working on this every day.
2014-04-29 17:40:59 eliot: TOPIC: Summer agenda
2014-04-29 17:41:24 eliot: shepazu: julee and I noted that user content contributions tend to drop off in summer.
2014-04-29 17:41:40 eliot: ...Maybe we can focus on infrastructure?
2014-04-29 17:42:00 eliot: ...Finalizing annotations, improvements to the wiki or other pieces of software.
2014-04-29 17:42:18 eliot: ...Focus on that as the main part. For content, shift to SVG.
2014-04-29 17:42:49 eliot: ...I've had some responses from the SVG community. Would like to have a content-specific meeting to tckle SVG.
2014-04-29 17:43:01 eliot: ...Does that seem reasonable?
2014-04-29 17:43:25 eliot: AmeliaBR: I will send an email with a summary of changes I'd suggest for SVG.
2014-04-29 17:43:44 eliot: ...Cleanup tasks that could be crowdsourced.
2014-04-29 17:45:03 eliot: ...A small team could decide what the work should look like and then crowdsource to community.
2014-04-29 17:45:17 eliot: shepazu: Thanks for volunteering. :-)
2014-04-29 17:45:26 eliot: ...2 kinds of content.
2014-04-29 17:45:35 eliot: ...Reference pages. Tutorials.
2014-04-29 17:45:56 eliot: ...We should make our SVG samples REALLY beautiful.
2014-04-29 17:46:17 eliot: ...The challenge is that there aren't that many people who are expert in SVG.
2014-04-29 17:46:39 eliot: ...If we break it down into tasks, then anyone should feel comfortable talking about some aspect.
2014-04-29 17:47:02 eliot: ...Maybe create some simple tutorials, which would help get more people up to speed.
2014-04-29 17:47:26 eliot: julee: What if Doug conducts some seminars online to get the community introduced to SVG.
2014-04-29 17:48:00 eliot: shepazu volunteers, I think, citing success of podcast with jensimmons
2014-04-29 17:48:10 eliezerb: Some video tutorials like the one that Dave Gash did about CSS Properties
2014-04-29 17:48:28 eliezerb: ops
2014-04-29 17:48:29 eliezerb: Scott
2014-04-29 17:48:51 eliot: AmeliaBR: Right now we have a list of tutorials. It would be great to refactor into beginners guide, designer info, etc.
2014-04-29 17:49:13 eliot: julee: Some good intro tutorials on there.
2014-04-29 17:49:35 eliot: ...Pretty basic stuff. But it's outside of the SVG TOC/navigation.
2014-04-29 17:50:30 eliot: shepazu: AmeliaBR, please send the email. We'll create a task force.
2014-04-29 17:51:01 eliot: ...I'm happy to do a tutorial (we should have tutorials first, though) in podcast, or Google Hangout, orwhatever.
2014-04-29 17:51:23 eliot: ...we could mine questions from StackOverflow and see what questoins people are asking.
2014-04-29 17:51:46 eliot: ...2 tutorials right off the bat: How to make SVG autoscaling
2014-04-29 17:52:11 eliot: jensimmons: seems like a lot of momentum around SVG right now. We're not in a vacuum.
2014-04-29 17:52:31 eliot: Eliot thinks we should link liberally to existing content.
2014-04-29 17:53:38 eliot: shepazu: People are mistaken about what SVG is and can do. They don't necessarily make the leap that SVG can be styles with CSS, or that anything you can do (sorta) with HTML you can do with SVG.
2014-04-29 17:54:08 eliot: julee: Ultimately, our prime directive is to be a 1 stop shop. We should be THE place to go for SVG.
2014-04-29 17:54:19 eliot: ...We can create a content plan.
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2014-04-29 17:54:55 eliot: shepazu: reference pages are helpful to beginners. Having on good tutorial is good, too.
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2014-04-29 17:55:22 eliot: ...Let's do the most interesting stuff in SVG. Whatever level it's at.
2014-04-29 17:55:52 eliot: julee: If people see designs and images that are forward thinking, they'll grok SVG more.
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2014-04-29 17:56:04 eliot: ...We need to show things they would want to see on their sites.
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2014-04-29 17:56:22 eliot: ...We need a good designer on this. It's as important as anything.
2014-04-29 17:56:47 eliot: shepazu: Back to the flag markers.
2014-04-29 17:57:07 eliot: ...There was some agreement that we would mark pages as ready manually.
2014-04-29 17:57:21 eliot: ...Are we still on boeard with that?
2014-04-29 17:57:35 eliot: Each person taking x-number of pages.
2014-04-29 17:57:52 eliot: julee: Sure. We'd be doing a content review on all of the pages.
2014-04-29 17:58:06 eliot: ...the question is, can we get a sign-up list?
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2014-04-30 16:40:48 theo_: hello
2014-04-30 16:41:03 theo_: just a quick question
2014-04-30 16:42:15 eliezerb: Hello theo_!
2014-04-30 16:47:41 theo_: Hi I've just joined a few days ago and started (with passion) in editing and reviewing some articles.
2014-04-30 16:47:46 theo_: So far so good
2014-04-30 16:48:31 theo_: But now i'm in a crossroad
2014-04-30 16:55:08 theo_: You see I've scouted the site and it seems that a lot of pages require attention. But on the other hand I don't know if its equally important to try edit for example the indexeddb/IDBCursor page or try to fill in the gaps of SVGs
2014-04-30 16:57:37 theo_: the quiestion is whats more important to contribute right now as it seems that almost everything is flagged with something
2014-04-30 16:58:13 eliezerb: theo_: It's great to hear that you're interested in SVG
2014-04-30 16:58:51 eliezerb: We are creating a working group to work on those pages, did you already introduced yourself to the mailing list?
2014-04-30 17:01:12 eliezerb: theo_: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
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2014-04-30 17:02:13 eliezerb: theo_: AmeliaBR did a list with some of the tasks for the SVG pages, have a look: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Apr/0116.html
2014-04-30 17:07:30 theo_: yes I've introduced myself although the first time I landed upon the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday page and started through the Javascript project tasks on the bottom. Later on I realised that that the project has almost been finished.
2014-04-30 17:08:02 theo_: But I'll look at the SVG link though it sounds intresting
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2014-04-30 17:11:35 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: for https in the skin, you're using protocol relative links everywhere, right?
2014-04-30 17:12:01 Ryan_Lane: MW supports protocol relative links for everything, and it's the recommended way of handling both HTTP and HTTPS
2014-04-30 17:12:10 Ryan_Lane: and will make your life easier if you're working on switching over
2014-04-30 17:13:00 renoirb: Hi Ryan_Lane, no i've been specific about it to not mix.  When its time, its only a matter of search replace.
2014-04-30 17:13:20 Ryan_Lane: no need for a search replace :)
2014-04-30 17:13:29 Ryan_Lane: just change http:// links to // links
2014-04-30 17:13:36 Ryan_Lane: and it'll work like it currently does
2014-04-30 17:13:40 Ryan_Lane: and it'll work with HTTPS
2014-04-30 17:13:44 renoirb: What i mean is that there are place where it is hardcoded 'http:', that'll be replaced later on when we have SSL.
2014-04-30 17:14:48 Ryan_Lane: right, there's no reason not to replace them now with protocol relative links :)
2014-04-30 17:15:02 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: http://www.paulirish.com/2010/the-protocol-relative-url/
2014-04-30 17:15:32 Ryan_Lane: MW has support for defining protocol relative urls in the code, too
2014-04-30 17:15:55 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.18#Protocol-relative_URLs
2014-04-30 17:16:31 Ryan_Lane: (http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/27/protocol-relative-urls-enabled-on-all-wikimedia-foundation-wikis/)
2014-04-30 17:17:28 Ryan_Lane: all the code that generate links can be called in a way that defines them protocol relative as well
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2014-04-30 17:20:32 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, i'm aware of the protocol relative.
2014-04-30 17:20:51 Ryan_Lane: so the find/replace is going to be to protocol relative?
2014-04-30 17:21:04 renoirb: its going to be, but not in my priority list.
2014-04-30 17:21:14 renoirb: i'm on oauth resource server that works :)
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2014-04-30 17:22:35 eliezerb: theo_: If you don't mind in answer that thread talking about your interest in help on SVG, it'll be awesome!
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2014-04-30 17:26:02 renoirb: since you are there Ryan_Lane, how would you recommend deploying SSL on the site in regard with Fastly?
2014-04-30 17:26:41 renoirb shows to Ryan_Lane my answer to SSL on the site and my current priority http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Apr/0115.html
2014-04-30 17:26:46 renoirb: brb, gotta eat
2014-04-30 17:27:14 theo_: yeah I'm intrested, SVGs are hardcore but cool
2014-04-30 17:27:56 eliezerb: theo_: In the next couple of days we'll have a lot of cool tasks about that to do :D
2014-04-30 17:28:13 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: using // won't force everyone to ssl
2014-04-30 17:28:28 Ryan_Lane: it'll just mean that if people hit either http or https they'll get links and resources from the proper domain
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2014-04-30 17:28:39 Ryan_Lane: it's the only way to properly do both https and http at the same time
2014-04-30 17:30:11 Ryan_Lane: we should definitely continue using fastly and can either do ssl termination (which is likely not a great idea, since we transit the WAN), or install ssl on our nodes as well, which is relatively trivial
2014-04-30 17:30:44 Ryan_Lane: so, yeah, get a wildcard SSL cert and have fastly enable https. then point them to our https servers
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2014-04-30 17:41:47 theo_: Great I'll be in touch. In the meantime I'll read the specification...
2014-04-30 17:42:13 eliezerb: theo_: Thank you!
2014-04-30 17:46:20 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, i know that using // wont force SSL.   I like when things are explicit, even more when vhosts are not equals for http/https
2014-04-30 17:46:55 renoirb: Having a non ssl resource called from a SSL endpoint is minor compared 404 because resource doesnt exist.
2014-04-30 17:47:53 renoirb: That's what I thought Ryan_Lane about installing SSL on our servers, have Fastly talk to our backend SSL vhosts, then expose Fastly.
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2014-04-30 17:50:04 Ryan_Lane: well, I'd start with fastly doing https termination
2014-04-30 17:50:08 Ryan_Lane: then add https to the backends
2014-04-30 17:50:17 Ryan_Lane: then change fastly to use https to our backends
2014-04-30 17:50:24 Ryan_Lane: then disable http on the backends
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2014-04-30 17:57:38 renoirb: ok, thx Ryan_Lane
2014-04-30 18:01:17 Ryan_Lane: yw
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2014-04-30 20:38:34 bigblind: Hi
2014-04-30 20:39:20 bigblind: I was wondering, is there a way to access the web platform docs programmatically?
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2014-04-30 20:54:54 julee1: Hi, bigblind!
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2014-04-30 20:55:47 julee1: I would talk with Renoir about the practically of calling the api, but here are some docs to get you started
2014-04-30 20:55:49 julee1: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php
2014-04-30 20:56:26 julee1: Let us know if you've cooked up anything cool
2014-04-30 20:56:53 frozenice: bigblind: also check out http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:API
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2014-04-30 20:57:15 renoirb: hi bigblind, sure!
2014-04-30 20:57:55 renoirb: in fact the brackets editor is using it already
2014-04-30 20:58:05 renoirb: and the search on top of the pages is calling the api too bigblind
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2014-04-30 21:38:21 renoirb: Does anybody knows who are those IPs?
2014-04-30 21:38:21 renoirb: 199.27.72.47
2014-04-30 21:38:21 renoirb: 199.27.72.58
2014-04-30 21:38:21 renoirb: 199.27.77.58
2014-04-30 21:38:22 renoirb: 199.27.77.62
2014-04-30 21:38:31 renoirb: frozenice ^
2014-04-30 21:38:39 renoirb: in case its a script you are running
2014-04-30 21:38:44 renoirb: or eliezerb ^
2014-04-30 21:38:57 frozenice: Fastly
2014-04-30 21:39:07 renoirb: tssss.
2014-04-30 21:39:54 eliezerb: renoirb: nope
2014-04-30 21:39:55 renoirb: but its 'Apr 30 21:39:10 199.27.77.62 blog[16157]: 200 POST /wp-cron.php?doing_wp_cron=1398893951.5477299690246582031250 MISS cache-at52-ATL'
2014-04-30 21:40:13 renoirb: sending successively POST to our blog, why that specifically
2014-04-30 21:41:21 frozenice: because it's from a client?
2014-04-30 21:43:23 kitikonti: Read error: Operation timed out
2014-04-30 21:44:35 frozenice: maybe we should use a proper cronjob for WP, instead of the built-in AJAX one
2014-04-30 21:45:40 renoirb: indeed!
2014-04-30 21:46:01 renoirb: i'll have a look at it soon frozenice, that makes sense
2014-04-30 21:46:05 renoirb: i havent thought of that
2014-04-30 21:46:22 renoirb: anyway we need to optimize wordpress install. It uses only one database server where we could use both.
2014-04-30 21:46:43 frozenice: can both read and write now?
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2014-05-01 11:09:53 Garbee: Any feedback on this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/17-kv5DM3t69DmpoTGeAQVSlZ2S_NHvQffyp73CX2BKg/edit
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2014-05-01 13:16:16 renoirb: Garbee, i'd add specifity and maybe introduce a little bit about HTML/CSS architecture
2014-05-01 13:16:40 renoirb: I dont like to see tutorials that shows div#myWonderfulSpecifcLinkId {}
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2014-05-01 15:04:56 Garbee: renoirb: Second point for CSS is simple specificity. Not all the details, but enough to get started (links out to more detailed resources like css-tricks for the deeper detail.)
2014-05-01 15:05:12 Garbee: and yea, element#anything is retarded.
2014-05-01 15:06:50 Garbee: I'd probably not mention chaining at all though. Since that is not really necessary information. you really just need to know how to target an item or an item that is a child of another item. Sibling selectors, parent selectors, etc. are all a bit more advanced tricks for targeting.
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2014-05-01 15:15:55 renoirb: I think it should be mentioned. Because otherwise people doesnt get the idea of chaining and creates ids everywhere.
2014-05-01 15:16:29 renoirb: and then it makes newbie create pages that are too specific.
2014-05-01 15:17:02 renoirb: We can refer to basic ideas, the media element for example with what Nicole Sullivan showed.
2014-05-01 15:17:14 renoirb: Garbee ^
2014-05-01 15:17:39 renoirb: http://www.stubbornella.org/content/2010/06/25/the-media-object-saves-hundreds-of-lines-of-code/ ^
2014-05-01 15:19:13 renoirb: Also, the key, the first thing anybody who is doing CSS is to learn at least the specifity and selectors.
2014-05-01 15:19:31 renoirb: I see so many times people googling only to remember how you can .target .class {}
2014-05-01 15:28:07 renoirb: but they dont get that   ul li + li:before {} is so powerful. Instead they show in a CMS how to add markup between list items.
2014-05-01 15:28:14 renoirb: Instead they could just do like this http://result.dabblet.com/gist/11454174/0cc2bd069af610932255a2dc0c0b420622590fdd
2014-05-01 15:28:19 renoirb: http://code.webplatform.org/gist/11454174
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2014-05-01 15:38:51 FeatheredSerpent: That's cool renoirb :)
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2014-05-01 15:48:19 renoirb: Thanks FeatheredSerpent, thought that this sample shows what basics we must know
2014-05-01 15:48:21 renoirb: http://code.webplatform.org/gist/11454174
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2014-05-01 15:49:30 renoirb: I'd love to document too :P
2014-05-01 15:49:36 renoirb: Soon enough
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2014-05-01 19:24:25 eliezerb: renoirb: Hey! Do you know if there is a channel to talk about Test the Web Forward
2014-05-01 19:25:28 Garbee: paul_irish: You know anything about that? ^^
2014-05-01 19:25:58 Garbee: Let's see if the infamous little tike is prowling about.
2014-05-01 19:26:55 eliezerb: Garbee: thanks!
2014-05-01 19:27:17 Garbee: I don't think test the web forward has seen much action lately.
2014-05-01 19:27:18 Garbee: :(
2014-05-01 19:27:48 eliezerb: Garbee: The Github repo has some recent commits
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2014-05-01 22:30:57 paul_irish: eliezerb: not sure, best to talk to Rebecca Hauck [mailto:rhauck@adobe.com]
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2014-05-01 22:31:52 eliezerb: paul_irish: Thanks!
2014-05-01 22:31:57 paul_irish: npnp
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2014-05-02 17:43:05 renoirb: Hi Ryan_Lane1 !
2014-05-02 17:43:12 Ryan_Lane1: renoirb: did you buy a cert for each domain for accounts.webplatform.org?
2014-05-02 17:43:22 renoirb: its startssl.com
2014-05-02 17:44:15 renoirb: gotta go now.
2014-05-02 17:44:20 Ryan_Lane1: ah. cool
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2014-05-02 20:44:22 renoirb: Thanks Ryan_Lane1
2014-05-02 20:45:03 renoirb: Its not using OpenID though, its an account system from Mozilla and we'll be able to use it as authentication layer for our other components
2014-05-02 20:45:08 Ryan_Lane1: ah. right
2014-05-02 20:45:20 Ryan_Lane1: OAuth + firefox login
2014-05-02 20:45:25 renoirb: yup
2014-05-02 20:45:34 renoirb: Firefox login uses Hawk
2014-05-02 20:45:38 renoirb: on the API level
2014-05-02 20:46:03 renoirb: If you look at the headers with developer JavaScript log you'll see
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2014-05-02 21:37:03 renoirb: Hey, paul_irish, I heard you are in the chrome developer tools, have you ever come across replicating Python REPL? We got that message on our mailing list, I thought it'd of interest to you http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014May/0000.html
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2014-05-02 22:05:58 renoirb: Oh, Ryan_Lane, I redeployed Gerrit
2014-05-02 22:06:38 renoirb: its not fully in use yet, its most likely to change soon, but I need to use the temporary patch feature
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2014-05-02 22:14:06 Ryan_Lane1: renoirb: wikimedia may be switching to phabricator :D
2014-05-02 22:14:14 renoirb: d'haaah!
2014-05-02 22:14:17 Ryan_Lane1: good to see something up
2014-05-02 22:14:19 renoirb: How about gitlab?
2014-05-02 22:14:23 Ryan_Lane1: openstack still uses gerrit
2014-05-02 22:14:29 Ryan_Lane1: gitlab is a pain to install/maintain
2014-05-02 22:14:37 renoirb: https://gitlab.w3.org/groups/symfony-bundles
2014-05-02 22:15:01 Ryan_Lane1: phrabricator is actually very nice now
2014-05-02 22:16:35 renoirb: who made it, i heard that symfony wanted to create a CI server (name was sismo last time i heard about it)
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2014-05-02 22:19:30 renoirb: I was thinking to create builders
2014-05-02 22:19:59 renoirb: You know, instead of rsyncing files over servers, to build packages and deploy them.
2014-05-02 22:20:21 renoirb: Not to the level of making something like rpm/deb. But close enough. what do you think Ryan_Lane1 ?
2014-05-02 22:20:48 renoirb: In the idea that once the app is deployed, when you run state.highstate all that matters is that its at a proper state
2014-05-02 22:21:06 renoirb: s/proper state/currently expected deployed version/
2014-05-02 22:21:40 paul_irish: renoirb: i wouldnt put this behind a help() function but rather just some UI in the autocomplete tooltip
2014-05-02 22:21:44 Ryan_Lane1: renoirb: it was originally from facebook
2014-05-02 22:21:44 paul_irish: like in webstorm's completion UI
2014-05-02 22:21:47 Ryan_Lane1: it's a separate project now
2014-05-02 22:22:14 Ryan_Lane1: creating and managing debs is a pain in the as
2014-05-02 22:22:16 Ryan_Lane1: *ass
2014-05-02 22:22:34 Ryan_Lane1: if we can avoid it we should, because it also means needing to maintain a repoi
2014-05-02 22:22:35 Ryan_Lane1: *repo
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2014-05-02 22:23:57 renoirb: Oh, that makes sense paul_irish.  We see autocompletion and that's helpful. But to have to actually do  help(window.sessionStorage).  Yeah, browser terminal is not like a local terminal (e.g. XTerm/Terminal.app) look and feel.
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2014-05-02 22:24:38 renoirb: Oh!! Right, I heard that Facebook created their own CI. Totally forgot about it.
2014-05-02 22:25:02 renoirb: You dont agree with a repo Ryan_Lane1 ?
2014-05-02 22:25:17 renoirb: I'd leverage python-swiftclient for that
2014-05-02 22:25:32 renoirb: We already have it configured on all nodes w/ DreamObjects.
2014-05-02 22:26:17 Ryan_Lane1: you still need to make a repo, though
2014-05-02 22:26:20 Ryan_Lane1: and have a gpg key
2014-05-02 22:26:24 renoirb: To have a tar.gz with a runme.sh at the root can do.
2014-05-02 22:27:27 renoirb: Oh, you are talking about deb repo.  Right, I have some experience creating my own.  But the pain with deb is that all files must be with full paths.
2014-05-02 22:30:47 renoirb: Managing users is hard too with Gerrit
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2014-05-04 15:55:19 ash__: anyone know if there is a way to integrate this documentation into sublime text?
2014-05-04 16:18:13 renoirb_: hi ash__, no there should be a plugin to be written.
2014-05-04 16:18:27 renoirb_: if you do Python, you might be closer than you think.
2014-05-04 16:18:53 renoirb_: Have a look at Brackets.io, they leverage the documentation ash__
2014-05-04 16:31:11 ash__: yeah i switched from brackets to sublime and i miss the docs
2014-05-04 16:32:35 ash__: sadly im still a novice in python but i might give it a try
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2014-05-05 16:17:26 eliezerb: renoirb_: Hey! I can not login into my account on WPD
2014-05-05 16:17:42 renoirb_: Hey eliezerb
2014-05-05 16:17:46 renoirb_: i'm looking into it
2014-05-05 16:17:55 eliezerb: renoirb_: Oh, cool :)
2014-05-05 16:18:13 eliezerb: Getting some 503
2014-05-05 16:18:29 renoirb_: I know, that's what I'm looking at ATM. In fact, we had a lot of requests on the blog.
2014-05-05 16:18:39 renoirb_: Its fixed, now i'm looking for a logged in user.
2014-05-05 16:18:42 renoirb_: in the wiki
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2014-05-05 16:32:50 renoirb_: Oh, maybe the Memcached.
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2014-05-05 16:50:16 renoirb_ changed topic to: Wiki is unresponsive for authenticated users, communication issue w/ memcached http://status.webplatform.org/post/84835901620
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2014-05-05 18:30:44 Ryan_Lane: renoirb_: yep
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2014-05-05 19:29:45 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane, still there, sorry for earlier
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2014-05-05 19:47:47 Ryan_Lane: renoirb_: yep. what's up?
2014-05-05 19:48:25 renoirb_: I am trying to understand why we cannot login to the wiki
2014-05-05 19:48:54 renoirb_: Memcache works, the database servers aren't blocked, the slave is in a good condition
2014-05-05 19:48:59 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane^
2014-05-05 19:49:19 renoirb_: Even login to the test wiki works fine.
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2014-05-05 19:49:50 Ryan_Lane: what error is being shown?
2014-05-05 19:49:55 Ryan_Lane: also, is this normal password login?
2014-05-05 19:51:06 renoirb_: yes, nothing changed about that yet.
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2014-05-05 19:51:38 renoirb_: It doesnt show any error, just that if I try to login it takes forever.
2014-05-05 19:52:42 renoirb_: ... when I add an entry in my local /etc/hosts pointing to to app5  (a node that isn't behind fastly anyway, that I use to run the cronjobs)
2014-05-05 19:52:53 renoirb_: ... to test directly to a server without fastly
2014-05-05 19:53:01 renoirb_: It does the same thing.
2014-05-05 19:53:10 renoirb_: ... Obviously when I shutdown apache, it stops.
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2014-05-05 19:53:58 renoirb_: ... (with an entry in hosts `208.113.157.166 docs.webplatform.org), when I do    http://docs.webplatform.org/w/test.php
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2014-05-05 19:54:46 renoirb_: It writes to memcached using pecl extension (e.g. $a = new Memcached(); $a->addServer('memcache1', 11211); ... )
2014-05-05 19:56:31 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane ^
2014-05-05 19:57:01 Ryan_Lane: are you sure memcache is responding properly on all nodes?
2014-05-05 19:57:07 Ryan_Lane: that sounds like a memcache issue to me
2014-05-05 19:57:47 renoirb_: From many non ubuntu 10.04, 'echo stats | nc memcache1 11211' works fine
2014-05-05 19:58:02 Ryan_Lane: just because it's running doesn't mean it's working properly
2014-05-05 19:58:06 renoirb_: ... when I do from an ubuntu 10.04 (app*, db*) it doesnt work.
2014-05-05 19:58:19 renoirb_: ... but when I use telnet instead, it works
2014-05-05 19:58:24 Ryan_Lane: there's more than one memcache node, right?
2014-05-05 19:58:36 renoirb_: ... but its not that tale telling because its only TCP comm and nothing related to php
2014-05-05 19:58:40 renoirb_: yes
2014-05-05 19:58:52 Ryan_Lane: wait. you can't connect to memcache from the app servers?
2014-05-05 19:58:58 renoirb_: in /srv/webplatform/docs/Settings.php the nodes are with names
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2014-05-05 19:59:38 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane, yes, but not using `nc`, only telnet. But the PHP code I wrote to test works anyway
2014-05-05 19:59:58 Ryan_Lane: and it works to all nodes?
2014-05-05 20:00:04 Ryan_Lane: maybe MW is misconfigured for the nodes?
2014-05-05 20:00:33 Ryan_Lane: you still have the udp2log daemon multiplexing the logs, right?
2014-05-05 20:00:44 renoirb_: I tried from app5 in /srv/webplatform/wiki/current/test.php   with the code from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13974818/pecl-memcache-and-pecl-memcached#answer-14096532
2014-05-05 20:00:49 renoirb_: it works in PHP
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2014-05-05 20:01:01 renoirb_: yes Ryan_Lane
2014-05-05 20:01:17 renoirb_: (log stuff)
2014-05-05 20:01:38 Ryan_Lane: so, what's changed?
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2014-05-05 20:02:09 renoirb_: ... I would even say that memcache works from there because when you tail /mnt/logs/mw-logs/memcached.log you get sh**load of entries, all reporting transactions from app* nodes
2014-05-05 20:03:11 renoirb_: ... cannot tell so far.. Even diff-ing between test/ and current/ has nothing relevant
2014-05-05 20:04:24 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane ^
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2014-05-05 20:04:53 Ryan_Lane: sorry. I don't know. I can't login to debug
2014-05-05 20:05:30 renoirb_: Ryan_Lane: you cannot login, as in no access?
2014-05-05 20:05:38 Ryan_Lane: I don't have the credentials on this laptop
2014-05-05 20:05:54 renoirb_: send me your public key, ill update on deployment
2014-05-05 20:05:58 renoirb_: and on app5
2014-05-05 20:06:08 Ryan_Lane: I'm at work and I purposely don't keep other credentials with me to force myself to not work on external things during my day job
2014-05-05 20:06:54 renoirb_: ok Ryan_Lane
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2014-05-05 21:01:38 renoirb_: Hey frozenice, on what?
2014-05-05 21:01:43 frozenice: the wiki
2014-05-05 21:01:52 renoirb_: not much.
2014-05-05 21:02:16 renoirb_: I'm currently rebuilding a node with more recent packages, and testing it.
2014-05-05 21:02:37 renoirb_: Today's as much enjoyable as the one I dropped water on my laptop!
2014-05-05 21:02:43 frozenice: :D
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2014-05-05 21:07:39 frozenice: renoirb_: fixed
2014-05-05 21:10:31 frozenice: memcache had nothing to do with it, although nc is acting stupid with piped input on app*
2014-05-05 21:15:07 renoirb_: what?
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2014-05-05 21:15:28 renoirb_: frozenice, what are you talking about? You found the issue??
2014-05-05 21:15:49 frozenice: yeah, does the site work for you again?
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2014-05-05 21:19:35 renoirb_: what did you find?
2014-05-05 21:19:57 frozenice: the backup script on deployment
2014-05-05 21:20:11 frozenice: it was locking all tables on db4
2014-05-05 21:20:25 frozenice: I killed it.
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2014-05-05 21:21:41 renoirb_: no way!
2014-05-05 21:22:22 frozenice: yes way :P several thousand blocked sql conns
2014-05-05 21:22:51 renoirb_: ill disable that
2014-05-05 21:23:00 renoirb_: and have a look at this
2014-05-05 21:23:44 frozenice: this query was executing and locking all the things: SELECT /* WikiExporter::dumpFrom  */  /*! STRAIGHT_JOIN */ *  FROM `page` FORCE INDEX (PRIMARY) INNER JOIN `revision` ON ((page_id=rev_page)) INNER JOIN `text` ON ((rev_text_id=old_id))   ORDER BY page_id ASC
2014-05-05 21:24:21 renoirb_: And it was a shell script run from deployment itself?
2014-05-05 21:24:30 frozenice: it's even a cron
2014-05-05 21:24:34 renoirb_: Not a subprocess from app*
2014-05-05 21:24:36 renoirb_: ok.
2014-05-05 21:24:46 frozenice: /usr/local/sbin/mediawiki_xml.sh on deployment
2014-05-05 21:24:55 frozenice: in root's crontab
2014-05-05 21:25:21 renoirb_: Uhm, that one.
2014-05-05 21:25:26 renoirb_: ok.
2014-05-05 21:25:33 frozenice: yeah, the backup :P
2014-05-05 21:26:35 renoirb_: I'll disable it and look what to do with it.
2014-05-05 21:26:49 frozenice: the current one is only 16M instead of usually 28M
2014-05-05 21:27:01 renoirb_: I think i should just do the MediaWiki upgrade and Ubuntu 14.04 to be done with it.
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2014-05-05 21:27:43 frozenice: yeah, that nc issue is weird
2014-05-05 21:28:11 frozenice: I looked at a tcpdump, weird.
2014-05-05 21:28:27 frozenice: who knows what else is broken there :)
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2014-05-05 21:33:18 renoirb_: fun times.
2014-05-05 21:33:23 renoirb_: Thanks for that frozenice.
2014-05-05 21:33:31 frozenice: sure thing
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2014-05-05 23:31:06 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, yt?
2014-05-05 23:31:12 Ryan_Lane: ?
2014-05-05 23:31:40 renoirb: Do you have notes somewhere that describes how you make an update of the mediawiki codebase?
2014-05-05 23:31:49 renoirb: The commands, and the order (a procedure)
2014-05-05 23:32:27 Ryan_Lane: well, I use the standard upgrade process
2014-05-05 23:32:33 renoirb: I stumbled upon this @@ from the #wikimedia-operations  https://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Ftools%2Frelease.git
2014-05-05 23:32:46 Ryan_Lane: yeah, no. you don't want that
2014-05-05 23:32:53 Ryan_Lane: you want to basically follow the normal upgrade instructions
2014-05-05 23:32:54 renoirb: sure, its to make branches and releases
2014-05-05 23:33:07 Ryan_Lane: that's for making third-party releases
2014-05-05 23:33:13 renoirb: i do not know what are the normal upgrade instructions. its full of submodules and the hell that comes with it
2014-05-05 23:33:33 Ryan_Lane: the normal mediawiki update instructions, from mediawiki.org
2014-05-05 23:33:47 Ryan_Lane: right, so we do use WMF branches
2014-05-05 23:34:10 Ryan_Lane: make a local branch, tracking the wmf branch
2014-05-05 23:34:18 Ryan_Lane: then git checkout to the branch
2014-05-05 23:34:20 renoirb: I described here < https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki > how to install. but I have no idea how to change from one branch to another without fear of breaking everything
2014-05-05 23:34:30 Ryan_Lane: I always test on test first
2014-05-05 23:34:52 Ryan_Lane: also, make a backup of the wiki codebase
2014-05-05 23:34:59 Ryan_Lane: and do an xml and sql dump
2014-05-05 23:35:21 Ryan_Lane: after doing a git checkout you need to do: git submodule update --init --recursive
2014-05-05 23:35:45 Ryan_Lane: then you run the updater
2014-05-05 23:35:50 Ryan_Lane: then you push the code
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2014-05-05 23:36:07 Ryan_Lane: you're going to need to deal with SMW
2014-05-05 23:36:16 Ryan_Lane: which means you'll need to pull in the newest version via composer
2014-05-05 23:36:20 Ryan_Lane: and check that in locally, I guess
2014-05-05 23:37:23 renoirb: Yes, that's what I have in mind. But there's always a submodule or two taht decides to fail
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2014-05-05 23:37:30 renoirb: When I do  git checkout -t origin/wmf/1.23wmf17
2014-05-05 23:37:35 renoirb: for example, it switch branch
2014-05-05 23:37:53 renoirb: and tracks it automatically, fair enough
2014-05-05 23:38:14 renoirb: let me try something else
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2014-05-05 23:42:17 renoirb: ok
2014-05-05 23:42:26 Ryan_Lane: you'll want to verify that extensions are compatible
2014-05-05 23:42:53 renoirb: So, i'm checking out a fresh install of mediawiki like I described on https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki
2014-05-05 23:43:04 renoirb: But i want to test the branch switching Ryan_Lane
2014-05-05 23:43:34 renoirb: ... on a clean, non non-commited code (whatsoever) clone.
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2014-05-05 23:45:35 Ryan_Lane: we can check them into our local branch
2014-05-05 23:45:39 Ryan_Lane: as submodules
2014-05-05 23:46:30 renoirb: ok, as in 'git subomdule add https://..../extensions/Potato   extensions/Potato'
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2014-05-05 23:48:55 renoirb: So, what I dont understand is that when you switch branch, Ryan_Lane, is that sometimes some submodules breaks.  I cannot imagine i'm the only one experiencing that.
2014-05-05 23:49:13 Ryan_Lane: when you switch branches you need to update the submodules....
2014-05-05 23:49:29 Ryan_Lane: git submodule update --init --recursive
2014-05-05 23:49:40 Ryan_Lane: also, when you switch branches you need to run the updater
2014-05-05 23:49:47 Ryan_Lane: after you update the submodules
2014-05-05 23:49:51 renoirb: yes, but `git submodule `, the update part doenst necessarily remove (git submodule uninit, git submodule rm)
2014-05-05 23:50:03 Ryan_Lane: yes, git doesn't remove submodules
2014-05-05 23:50:09 Ryan_Lane: you can delete those yourself
2014-05-05 23:50:27 renoirb: sure. ok then.
2014-05-05 23:51:21 renoirb: I guess that what matters is that I have to have all modules that are required in both Settings.php and the wiki/LocalSettings.php's required file (e.g. CurrentSettings.php) right
2014-05-05 23:51:33 renoirb: Ryan_Lane?
2014-05-05 23:51:43 Ryan_Lane: or you need to remove extensions that aren't needed anymore
2014-05-05 23:51:49 renoirb: perfect.
2014-05-05 23:51:53 renoirb: that makes sense.
2014-05-05 23:51:54 Ryan_Lane: any extension that got deleted from wikimedia's branch we shouldn't be using
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2014-05-06 17:01:48 AmeliaBR: Hey there... No Telcon today?
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2014-05-06 17:02:40 AmeliaBR: renoirb or frozenice...?
2014-05-06 17:02:53 eliot: We'll have a short one.
2014-05-06 17:03:16 renoirb_: yup
2014-05-06 17:03:23 renoirb_: brb, heating lunch
2014-05-06 17:03:26 AmeliaBR: Thanks... I'm in.
2014-05-06 17:03:49 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I'm on IRC
2014-05-06 17:03:50 renoirb_: AmeliaBR ^ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014May/0010.html
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2014-05-06 17:04:02 eliezerb: If you need some help with Templates, please let me know
2014-05-06 17:04:15 eliezerb: I saw an Action item signed to me last Telcon
2014-05-06 17:07:27 AmeliaBR: eliezerb: yep, Doug just mentioned that we'd like to get going on that.  Not sure about Jen I've been somewhat hectic this week...
2014-05-06 17:07:45 AmeliaBR: No one else is scribing, so I'll keep going:
2014-05-06 17:08:05 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Thanks, feel free to talk with me at anytime
2014-05-06 17:08:37 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Talking about colloboration with Pat at MDN about the compatibility table migration.
2014-05-06 17:08:51 AmeliaBR: ...Anyone have ideas about scraping the data more effectively?
2014-05-06 17:10:11 AmeliaBR: ...nothing much happening from other contacts at Mozilla (?)
2014-05-06 17:10:41 AmeliaBR: ...Next item: Renoirb still working on single sign on, maybe ready to start rolling next week.
2014-05-06 17:11:08 AmeliaBR: Elliot: Has got writers at team Microsoft helping review Javascript docs.
2014-05-06 17:11:33 AmeliaBR: Julee: Asks AmeliaBR about SVG plans...
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2014-05-06 17:13:21 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: Not much has happened since email last week, anyone who is interested in getting involved let me know
2014-05-06 17:13:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: will follow up on SVG this week.
2014-05-06 17:14:03 AmeliaBR: ...Next item: problems with editing site this week, mostly fixed but reference renoirb's email from today on site upgrades
2014-05-06 17:14:27 AmeliaBR: ...testing needed, do we want to be more formal about it?
2014-05-06 17:14:54 AmeliaBR: ...(testing the new, upgraded mediawiki; everyone sitting down together)
2014-05-06 17:15:38 AmeliaBR: shepazu: we should try to roll out the new server next week.  Test run tomorrow (Wed) or Friday?
2014-05-06 17:16:01 AmeliaBR: renoirb: sooner the better, many features rely on the newer software.
2014-05-06 17:16:15 AmeliaBR: Julee: can probably put in some testing time tomorrow
2014-05-06 17:16:42 AmeliaBR: ...is it ideal that we all do it at the same time, talking on IRC?
2014-05-06 17:16:58 AmeliaBR: renoirb: ideal feedback via reply to the email on the list
2014-05-06 17:18:11 AmeliaBR: shepazu & Julee: planning to do joint testing 4pm EDT/1pm PDT Wednesday May 7
2014-05-06 17:18:35 AmeliaBR: eliezerb: would you be available?
2014-05-06 17:18:49 AmeliaBR: eliot: busy all wednesday
2014-05-06 17:19:04 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I'll be in a Conf :/
2014-05-06 17:19:19 renoirb: To test is fairly easy. All you have to make sure that /upgrade/ is in the URL
2014-05-06 17:19:28 AmeliaBR: ...but might send some colleagues (eliot)
2014-05-06 17:19:51 renoirb thanks AmeliaBR for scribing :)
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2014-05-06 17:20:08 renoirb: shepazu: Its just an upgrade
2014-05-06 17:20:18 AmeliaBR: shepazu: testing is fairly easy, just exploring the site for half to an hour; don't expect any breaking changes
2014-05-06 17:20:36 AmeliaBR: Julee: should have a checklist
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2014-05-06 17:20:44 renoirb: renoirb: wants to point out:  Its only the Ubuntu server version, and MediaWiki. All of which is already running at Wikimedia foundation anyway
2014-05-06 17:21:56 AmeliaBR: shepazu: re checklist either send notes to the email list, or discuss on IRC tomorrow;
2014-05-06 17:22:09 AmeliaBR: renoirb: there is a checklist in original email
2014-05-06 17:23:33 eliot: +1 for Amelia's awesomeness
2014-05-06 17:23:36 AmeliaBR: polling for other agenda items... last chance...
2014-05-06 17:23:39 renoirb: AmeliaBR++
2014-05-06 17:24:18 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Actions for himself: replay to SVG email; connect with frozenice re scraping of MDN data
2014-05-06 17:24:32 AmeliaBR: replay <->reply
2014-05-06 17:25:14 AmeliaBR: shepazu: apologies for no agenda email; feel free to take over if he ever forgets in the future.  Bye!
2014-05-06 17:25:23 AmeliaBR: (meeting ajourned)
2014-05-06 17:26:07 AmeliaBR: ...any additions/corrections to the transcript or should I post to email as is?
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2014-05-06 17:56:10 renoirb: AmeliaBR, i wanted to show you something regarding CSS.
2014-05-06 17:56:34 renoirb: Maybe you weren't aware of the practice, I made an example on current and recommended way to create patterns
2014-05-06 17:56:37 renoirb: http://code.webplatform.org/gist/11454174  ^
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2014-05-06 20:07:08 AmeliaBR: renoirb: sorry, had left the tab open while doing other things.
2014-05-06 20:07:32 AmeliaBR: Not sure which aspect of that example you wanted me to look at?
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2014-05-07 19:45:10 shepazu: renoirb, julee, I'll be ready in 15 minutes for the site testing
2014-05-07 19:45:20 renoirb: ok
2014-05-07 19:46:01 renoirb: Its so strange to be on that part of the timezone drift. Its 16:00 in my own TZ, but not here in Vancouver.
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2014-05-07 20:05:13 shepazu: julee, yt?
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2014-05-07 20:08:13 shepazu: renoirb, I can't find your email about testing the upgrade… what's the subject line
2014-05-07 20:08:15 shepazu: ?
2014-05-07 20:11:26 julee: I'm here!
2014-05-07 20:11:38 julee: Running a bit late...
2014-05-07 20:15:08 shepazu: hi, julee
2014-05-07 20:16:16 julee just found blueberries smooshed into the tiles
2014-05-07 20:16:31 julee: ugh I need to clean this up. brb
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2014-05-07 20:22:53 renoirb: sorry, im here
2014-05-07 20:23:30 shepazu: renoirb, I found one possible bug
2014-05-07 20:23:31 julee: Hi, shepazu
2014-05-07 20:23:33 julee: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014May/0010.html
2014-05-07 20:23:44 shepazu: yeah, found it :)
2014-05-07 20:23:50 ink|off|ZNC: part
2014-05-07 20:27:46 shepazu: renoirb, 503 error http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/svg/tutorials/smarter_svg_filters
2014-05-07 20:32:11 julee: renoirb : on http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Version you added "http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:MediaWiki/Credits" — others should be last. Do you want me to fix it?
2014-05-07 20:32:57 shepazu: sent bug to mailing list
2014-05-07 20:36:10 renoirb: Hey julee, in Special:Version, I (myself) did nothing (explictly) about that.
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2014-05-07 20:44:07 renoirb: shepazu, right, the CC-By image, that's GlusterFS VM. Fixing it right away
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2014-05-07 20:50:24 julee: renoirb : weird. I'll circle back to it after the upgrade.
2014-05-07 21:00:41 julee: renoirb : are we testing annotations as well?
2014-05-07 21:01:06 renoirb: annotations are from the same annotation server
2014-05-07 21:01:16 renoirb: its being loaded from the same place (notes.webplatform.org)
2014-05-07 21:01:17 renoirb: (no)
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2014-05-07 21:08:31 julee: renoirb : that makes sense. Do you want me to try and highlight, add comment, etc.?
2014-05-07 21:09:38 julee: renoirb : comparing the 2 2014-OAuth_study_notes you list in your email, I see a slight difference in the after-paragraph line spacing. This doesn't seem significant, but wanted to know if you think I should call it a bug.
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2014-05-07 21:13:24 renoirb: no, it shouldn't be.  Maybe its in the way the HTML is generated with carraige return.
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2014-05-07 21:14:17 julee: renoirb : OK, I'll file a bug.
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2014-05-07 21:14:59 shepazu: julee, I don't see it… can you explain?
2014-05-07 21:15:16 julee: renoirb : I created a new account, looks like it's oauth w/o ssl. Should this be described on http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Version ? Should I file a bug to include it?
2014-05-07 21:15:38 julee: shepazu : go to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Infrastructure/analysis/2014-OAuth_study_notes
2014-05-07 21:15:54 shepazu: julee, I'm there
2014-05-07 21:16:12 julee: Actually, go to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Infrastructure/analysis/2014-OAuth_study_notes#Grant_types
2014-05-07 21:16:23 julee: Open a new tab and go to http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/WPD:Infrastructure/analysis/2014-OAuth_study_notes#Grant_types
2014-05-07 21:16:41 julee: Switch between tabs quickly to see:
2014-05-07 21:16:51 shepazu: oh, yeah
2014-05-07 21:16:53 shepazu: huh
2014-05-07 21:16:58 shepazu: what could cause that?
2014-05-07 21:21:36 renoirb: I found something interresting
2014-05-07 21:21:37 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png
2014-05-07 21:21:48 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png
2014-05-07 21:22:04 renoirb: Both are broken on the view, but on the /wiki/ we see the image its referring to
2014-05-07 21:22:45 renoirb: its not imagemagick on the server, nothing's missing there.
2014-05-07 21:22:49 renoirb: still searching
2014-05-07 21:24:49 julee: shepazu : can't read the minified debug string, myself. But the 2 do start out differently.
2014-05-07 21:25:30 julee: could it be that the current wiki has "sup.reference{unicode-bidi:-moz-isolate;unicode-bidi:-webkit-isolate;unicode-bidi:isolate}" that the upgrade doesn't have?
2014-05-07 21:25:35 julee: i dunno
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2014-05-07 21:27:42 renoirb: which debug string?
2014-05-07 21:27:53 renoirb: julee?   Is it on a /w/load.php?.... thing?
2014-05-07 21:28:08 julee: y
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2014-05-07 21:32:20 julee: whoa I don't remember this before…
2014-05-07 21:32:34 julee: I created a test account, went to change preferences
2014-05-07 21:32:44 julee: And landed on this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Preferences
2014-05-07 21:32:52 renoirb: ... gosh. its fastly!
2014-05-07 21:32:54 renoirb: ok
2014-05-07 21:32:58 renoirb: working on it
2014-05-07 21:33:07 renoirb: ref: http://static.webplatform.org/w/public/c/c8/cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png
2014-05-07 21:33:16 julee: Here I change my signature, password…
2014-05-07 21:33:42 renoirb: julee, watch out, /wiki/ should be /upgrade/ remember :)
2014-05-07 21:33:55 julee: But then I have the preferences — for the whole site? Appearance, Editing ? Does that make sense?
2014-05-07 21:34:43 julee: OK. Got it. The email link sent me to */wiki/*
2014-05-07 21:35:35 julee: But do we normally allow folks to set site preferences off their account preferences page?
2014-05-07 21:36:21 julee scolding puppy again
2014-05-07 21:36:22 julee: brb
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2014-05-07 21:37:54 renoirb: the whole site is not true in its pure sense. The *whole* /wiki/    "site" :)
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2014-05-07 21:46:32 renoirb: This SMW form is a real maze!!
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2014-05-07 21:53:02 AmeliaBR: FYI, I am going to be messing around with http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Template:API_Object_Method  (test wiki version of the template that is creating the mixed up syntax)
2014-05-07 21:53:05 julee is just joking about scolding puppies
2014-05-07 21:53:12 julee: https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/464159006941265921
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2014-05-07 21:55:56 renoirb: Oh, hi AmeliaBR.
2014-05-07 21:56:08 renoirb: Remember what I sent you yesterday on that code.webplatform.org link?
2014-05-07 21:56:36 renoirb: It was a conversation-starter on something I wanted to talk to you about in relation to the CSS snippes you sent on the mailing list.
2014-05-07 21:56:37 AmeliaBR: yes, this one: http://code.webplatform.org/gist/11454174
2014-05-07 21:57:03 AmeliaBR: I thought so, but couldn't make the connection at a glance.
2014-05-07 21:57:06 Garbee: wow.
2014-05-07 21:57:11 Garbee: past 3 days.
2014-05-07 21:57:22 Garbee: Dropped WPD in #web. *each time* someone asks what it is.
2014-05-07 21:57:26 renoirb: Becuase I saw you writing CSS with #iditis  when i wanted to show you a quick example of oocss
2014-05-07 21:57:37 renoirb: and current html/css architecture trends
2014-05-07 21:57:54 renoirb: what, Garbee ?
2014-05-07 21:58:20 Garbee: Apparently everyone has either not heard of WPD or completely forgotten it.
2014-05-07 21:58:45 Garbee: at least in the circles I "socialize" in.
2014-05-07 21:59:09 julee: OK, I've run through renoirb 's upgrade email.
2014-05-07 21:59:20 julee: LMK if you need any other testing of the upgrade.
2014-05-07 21:59:35 renoirb: is everything fine Julee except the quirk?
2014-05-07 22:00:10 julee: IMHO : flip the switch! ;-) Thanks much, renoirb!
2014-05-07 22:00:42 julee: Oh, and add the oauth stuff, because of the non-ssl login process, if anyone cares.
2014-05-07 22:00:43 renoirb: the image quirk... I think its due to confusion and a caching, "just" have to find the right one among:  MW cache, Fastly, MW File:filename.png cache .... and also for good measure we have files with same purpose but different name and formats
2014-05-07 22:01:34 julee: lol
2014-05-07 22:01:36 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png   http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.svg and various http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Template:External_Attribution_Block/MDN  http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Template:External_Attribution_Block/MSDN that has hardcoded File:name.ext urls...
2014-05-07 22:01:46 renoirb: this is crazy
2014-05-07 22:01:49 julee: I meant add the oauth to the version page when you can
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2014-05-07 22:02:14 renoirb: julee, have a look at https://accounts.webplatform.org/
2014-05-07 22:02:52 renoirb: its not live, not in use, and data you create wont be kept. But, its the new account system i'm working on. it uses mozilla Firefox Accounts... that they use with the new Firefox 29  sync   https://accounts.firefox.com/
2014-05-07 22:04:30 julee: yes, I'm just referring to the fact that I am on an http:// page instead of https:// page when I am entering my username & password.
2014-05-07 22:06:42 julee: So I figured it was because you were using some schema that doesn't require ssl, right?
2014-05-07 22:07:08 julee: oauth?
2014-05-07 22:07:59 julee: At any rate, I think if it's listed with the other things on the http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Version page, it will help those who are more expert than I.
2014-05-07 22:10:10 julee: renoirb : re: https://accounts.webplatform.org/signup — yeah!!
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2014-05-07 22:14:10 AmeliaBR: renoirb: #iditis like that.  Mostly I was using ids because they already existed in the templates and I thought it was the safest way to avoid messing up anything else on the page -- since I knew that a given id was only going to exist in one place, so if I made all my selectors descendants of that it would help quarantine them.
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2014-05-07 22:30:20 renoirb: oh, sure AmeliaBR. But i'm not saying that you have it. Just that in your example there's other ways to use the same anchors that all mediawiki templates has instead of #id
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2014-05-07 22:31:12 renoirb: julee, we do not have ssl so far because nobody set it in place. Because it requires that we have a SSL certificate (that we didn't had, so far) at Fastly, then between our server, and fastly, then fastly to the public.
2014-05-07 22:31:30 renoirb: But I talked to Fastly and we will have it enabled.
2014-05-07 22:31:50 renoirb: But in the meantime the priority is that the login mechanism is independent from MW and that it supports OAuth.
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2014-05-07 22:31:58 renoirb: With OAuth, we'll be able to connect other dots together.
2014-05-07 22:32:20 renoirb: SSL will be there too... but i'd prefer prioritize other stability issues first.
2014-05-07 22:32:29 renoirb: s/stability issues/stability threats/
2014-05-07 22:33:24 AmeliaBR: On wonky API parameters.  I've got a temp fix on the test wiki, to not print the syntax block at all if there is more than one parameter.  For reasons I haven't quite figured out, some methods that only have one parameter are returning a count of 2, and therefore also getting suppressed, but better than the reverse...?
2014-05-07 22:33:58 AmeliaBR: Test wiki template as edited:  http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Template:API_Object_Method&action=edit
2014-05-07 22:34:37 julee: OK,  you know best renoirb. I'm just reading that OAuth 2, which is what Mozilla uses (https://login.persona.org/sign_in), requires SSL. But what do I know?! I leave it in your capable hands.
2014-05-07 22:34:51 renoirb: Thanks julee.
2014-05-07 22:35:05 renoirb: I can make it simple to understand now that I spent all that time reading about it :)
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2014-05-07 22:37:00 renoirb: I thought of installing persona julee... https://webplatformhome.global.ssl.fastly.net/.well-known/browserid   But it'd require we also provide email.   Not there yet.   Not sure its going to be a priority soon either.
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2014-05-07 22:48:25 renoirb: AmeliaBR, I think its related to the #ask filter that Dom is talking about < http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Special:Ask
2014-05-07 22:48:53 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Ask
2014-05-07 22:49:47 renoirb: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
2014-05-07 22:49:49 renoirb: AmeliaBR ^
2014-05-07 22:50:41 AmeliaBR: Thanks, yeah, working on it.  I'm using an ask query with "count" result format to find out how many parameters, but it's giving me "2" when there is only 1.
2014-05-07 22:51:10 AmeliaBR: It gives the right number if zero or if more than 1, at least in the examples I've tested...
2014-05-07 22:51:32 renoirb: i think we should look at how the ordering works... based on the document id of each attribute or something like that
2014-05-07 22:51:51 renoirb: or if we can have an order property and use it for sorting
2014-05-07 22:51:58 renoirb: ... but i never used that.
2014-05-07 22:52:07 renoirb: i should get back at oauth/ accoutns now.
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2014-05-07 22:55:35 eliezerb: Hey AmeliaBR renoirb
2014-05-07 22:55:49 eliezerb: Can you give an insight about what you guys have been doing?
2014-05-07 22:56:46 AmeliaBR: eliezerb: For the wonky API syntax,  I've been starting with a stop-gap approach: count how many parameters there are, and if more than one don't print syntax (better nothing than incorrect!)
2014-05-07 22:57:04 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I solve the order issue
2014-05-07 22:57:14 eliezerb: Adding two more parameters on the ask query
2014-05-07 22:57:20 eliezerb: sort=Property value syntax|order=asc
2014-05-07 22:57:52 eliezerb: for the templates where there is the Syntax header
2014-05-07 22:58:29 eliezerb will read the ML thread with patience
2014-05-07 22:59:04 AmeliaBR: The template with the problem is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:API_Object_Method
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2014-05-07 23:00:31 AmeliaBR: and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Method_Parameter defines the properties used in that template's ask query
2014-05-07 23:01:30 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: So two issues
2014-05-07 23:01:39 eliezerb: 1) Random order at Synax
2014-05-07 23:02:28 eliezerb: Syntax*
2014-05-07 23:03:03 eliezerb: 2) Do not display any parameter if no one is related to the page?
2014-05-07 23:03:11 eliezerb: Am I Right?
2014-05-07 23:03:58 AmeliaBR: The don't display works fine.  That was just a stop gap I was suggesting: until we get syntax right, hide it for the ones that will be wonky
2014-05-07 23:04:22 AmeliaBR: This is my test template code: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Template:API_Object_Method&action=edit
2014-05-07 23:06:00 AmeliaBR: It ends up blocking some syntaxes that it shouldn't (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=dom/methods/getElementById&action=submit ), but it might still be worth pushing to the main site for now while we work on getting the actual syntax right
2014-05-07 23:06:53 AmeliaBR: (of course, we wouldn't copy the bit of code that prints out the parameter count -- that was just me trying to figure out what was going on!)
2014-05-07 23:07:47 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: We can disable this syntax section for the API template
2014-05-07 23:07:49 eliezerb: For now
2014-05-07 23:07:57 eliezerb: And just do the order fix for the CSS templates
2014-05-07 23:08:04 eliezerb: Actually they are in different files
2014-05-07 23:09:19 eliezerb: We can work on the fix for the API for now to fix the issue
2014-05-07 23:09:33 AmeliaBR: Yeah, easiest would just be to comment out the entire section of the template.  My idea of checking for parameter count just complicates things and makes pages inconsistent.  Haven't checked the CSS templates.  Same issue I assume?
2014-05-07 23:09:46 eliezerb: yup
2014-05-07 23:09:54 eliezerb: but adding that two parameters
2014-05-07 23:09:58 eliezerb: It wil lbe fine
2014-05-07 23:10:09 eliezerb: to the as query it will be fine
2014-05-07 23:10:17 eliezerb: I will do the update
2014-05-07 23:16:48 AmeliaBR: Okay.  Looked at CSS: really a different issue, isn't it?  Each "property value syntax" field is an entire expression of form `property: name;`, the query just creates a table of all the possibilities.
2014-05-07 23:17:57 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Yes
2014-05-07 23:18:13 eliezerb: The CSS Property Syntax it's only a list of a property
2014-05-07 23:18:39 eliezerb: The API Object Template auto generates that line of code
2014-05-07 23:18:48 eliezerb: It's a little bit more complex
2014-05-07 23:18:59 eliezerb: http://project.webplatform.org/tmpl/issues/15
2014-05-07 23:19:42 AmeliaBR: Exactly.  Once we get it figured out, we could start dealing with making better syntax for CSS properties that take multiple values (e.g. background) in a particular order, but first things first...
2014-05-07 23:20:26 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: We need to get some data consistent
2014-05-07 23:21:03 eliezerb: Let's fix that CSS order and them give priority to the API Objects
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2014-05-07 23:21:52 AmeliaBR: In the meantime, do you also want to edit http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:API_Object_Method to comment out the syntax block entirely while I play around in test wiki land trying to figure out a solution?
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2014-05-07 23:27:56 AmeliaBR: eliezerb renoirb: I'm searching the semantic mediawiki docs, but off the top of your heads do you know of a parser function/template that can create an auto-incremented counter?
2014-05-07 23:28:13 AmeliaBR: (e.g., every time a template is called, the next value is assigned...)
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2014-05-07 23:44:48 shepazu: AmeliaBR, maybe we should just create a different template for those pages?
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2014-05-07 23:46:03 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Well, if nothing else we just add a field to the form where you can indicate the index of the paramater
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2014-05-07 23:47:14 renoirb: Yeah, that's what I thought AmeliaBR... If we have methodA(PropertyA, PropertyB, PropertyC)    and  we want to have methodB(PropertyB, PropertyA) we are screwed.   But in javascript property names aren't very relevant.... except to describe the structure.  If we deduplicate... we loose the advantage to create PropertyA once and refer to it in multiple places.
2014-05-07 23:47:36 AmeliaBR: E.g., for a syntax like .insertBefore(newElement, before), the sub-form for "newElement" would explicitly say "Parameter index: 1", while the sub-form for "before"  would explicitly say "Parameter index: 2".  Then it's easy to sort by "Parameter index"
2014-05-07 23:48:04 shepazu: hrm
2014-05-07 23:48:06 renoirb: How about we rethink the way those pages are made
2014-05-07 23:48:40 AmeliaBR: renoirb: hadn't thought of that.  Is it an issue in the API pages, though?  The parameters don't have their own pages, they are just SMW properties of the method page.
2014-05-07 23:49:27 eliezerb: An "simple" solution maybe is change this field to be edited by a text field
2014-05-07 23:49:31 eliezerb: s/an/a
2014-05-07 23:58:16 AmeliaBR: Okay, here is one thing I have tried that DIDN'T work: use a count #ask query in the template that defines the sub-object to see how many instances of this property have previously been defined.  All instances are given the final count value.
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2014-05-07 23:59:11 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: We can sorte the query by the index order
2014-05-07 23:59:16 eliezerb: sort*
2014-05-08 00:00:08 AmeliaBR: If we *define* an index order for everything.  Still trying to do it automatically by the order in which the parameters are arranged in the form.
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2014-05-08 00:47:10 AmeliaBR: Anyone else still here?  eliezerb renoirb shepazu ?
2014-05-08 00:47:20 renoirb: Hi AmeliaBR
2014-05-08 00:47:22 renoirb: yup
2014-05-08 00:47:34 renoirb: about to go take a walk. I'm in Vancouver for the week.
2014-05-08 00:47:39 shepazu: hi, AmeliaBR
2014-05-08 00:48:28 AmeliaBR: OK:  Tried (on test wiki) to add in a form field to specify the order of parameters, and sort them by it on the syntax print-out
2014-05-08 00:49:18 AmeliaBR: Works alright once you manually go through and add index values to each page, but until you do that, the syntax will print out without any parameters at all.
2014-05-08 00:49:45 shepazu: that seems workable
2014-05-08 00:50:14 shepazu: we'll just have to do the pages by hand
2014-05-08 00:50:56 AmeliaBR: If anything, I'd rather have no parameters showing up than them showing up in the wrong order.
2014-05-08 00:51:17 AmeliaBR: This is what it looks like once sorted (edit to see form structure): http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/arcTo
2014-05-08 00:52:06 AmeliaBR: Compare with a version where the order hasn't been specified: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/bezierCurveTo
2014-05-08 00:52:41 AmeliaBR: (The parameter count won't be there, that was just a temporary version of the template)
2014-05-08 00:55:15 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  I suspect I'll run into admin privileges issues if I try to make this live on the real site.  How easy is it to bump me up to admin?  Or I can give you or shepazu a list of the test wiki pages I modified and you can copy the content over.
2014-05-08 00:56:20 shepazu: AmeliaBR, it's easy to make you an admin
2014-05-08 00:56:57 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  easier than doing the work yourself, you mean!
2014-05-08 00:57:18 shepazu: :D
2014-05-08 00:57:34 renoirb: i'm going off.
2014-05-08 00:57:36 shepazu: I'm happy either way
2014-05-08 00:57:40 shepazu: later, renoirb
2014-05-08 00:57:40 renoirb: i'll make you admin AmeliaBR, no problem
2014-05-08 00:57:50 shepazu: renoirb, I'll take care of it
2014-05-08 00:57:53 renoirb: ok
2014-05-08 00:58:54 AmeliaBR: Thanks shepazu.  Let me know when I'm good to go.  Go enjoy Vancouver springtime renoirb!
2014-05-08 00:59:14 shepazu: AmeliaBR, done!
2014-05-08 01:00:34 AmeliaBR: Great.  I'll get on that, then send a note to the email list letting people know that the incorrect info is fixed and that they should start editing pages to add in index values.
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2014-05-08 01:01:10 AmeliaBR: (Or more realistically, it can be added to our checklist for the massive review of page readiness state...)
2014-05-08 01:01:22 shepazu: yup, good timing
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2014-05-08 01:21:11 AmeliaBR: shepazu (or anyone):  how about this for a default syntax print-out if order or arguments hasn't been specified?  http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/bezierCurveTo
2014-05-08 01:22:28 shepazu: AmeliaBR, yes, great idea
2014-05-08 01:23:04 AmeliaBR: Ok.  I think I'm done fussing then.  Time to make it live.
2014-05-08 01:23:09 shepazu: sweet
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2014-05-08 01:26:28 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: You can use a class
2014-05-08 01:26:40 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: To make you JavaScript looks like JavaScript
2014-05-08 01:27:10 AmeliaBR: ??
2014-05-08 01:27:27 AmeliaBR: do you mean like syntax highlighting?
2014-05-08 01:27:36 eliezerb: Yes!
2014-05-08 01:28:07 shepazu: or you can surround it with a <syntaxHighlight> tag
2014-05-08 01:30:32 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: you can follow shepazu tip or just add <pre class="language-javascript">
2014-05-08 01:31:13 AmeliaBR: Ok, back to test wiki to see what happens...
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2014-05-08 01:35:02 AmeliaBR: not seeing a difference with <pre> alone, looks like you also need <code>
2014-05-08 01:36:34 AmeliaBR: much better, now just have to get rid of an extra blank line and should be good to go.  Thanks eliezerb
2014-05-08 01:40:07 shepazu: looks excellent
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2014-05-08 02:27:46 ptressel: renoirb, Did you get my pubkey?
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2014-05-08 02:31:27 RJ45: can anyone here please help me get SSL working with Apache2?
2014-05-08 02:31:52 RJ45: I'm only asking here 'cos I have literally triad everything I can! x_x
2014-05-08 02:31:58 RJ45: tried*
2014-05-08 02:32:32 ptressel: I've got some example config files, but don't know if the setup changed in the latest version.
2014-05-08 02:32:50 RJ45: Firefox says this:  (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
2014-05-08 02:32:57 RJ45: and Apache errorlog say:  [Thu May 08 03:26:47 2014] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01
2014-05-08 02:33:15 RJ45: 443 port is open in every way possible
2014-05-08 02:33:36 ptressel: You have it working with port 80?
2014-05-08 02:33:40 RJ45: yes
2014-05-08 02:33:53 RJ45: regular http works fine
2014-05-08 02:33:59 RJ45: just not https
2014-05-08 02:34:20 RJ45: got my self-signed certs set-up
2014-05-08 02:34:35 RJ45: have ports.conf set-up
2014-05-08 02:35:09 RJ45: and have 'default-ssl' file set-up with all the relevant locations of the certs
2014-05-08 02:35:19 RJ45: no joy :(
2014-05-08 02:35:33 ptressel: Would it be ok to paste your Apache site config at (say) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
2014-05-08 02:35:36 AmeliaBR: Quit: Page closed
2014-05-08 02:36:18 RJ45: ptressel: I'll just paste it the my webserver itseflf :D , BRB
2014-05-08 02:38:03 RJ45: here:  http://94.173.177.100/publ/apache2.conf
2014-05-08 02:40:41 RJ45: ptressel: ?
2014-05-08 02:41:54 ptressel: I'm looking for examples on another server...the port 443 files seem to have been deleted. May have been done in reaction to heartbleed...
2014-05-08 02:42:09 RJ45: :/
2014-05-08 02:42:54 ptressel: Let me see if I have local copies.
2014-05-08 02:43:04 RJ45:  ~ $ apache2 -V
2014-05-08 02:43:04 RJ45: Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
2014-05-08 02:43:38 ptressel: It's not the main conf file we need to look at but rather the site file.
2014-05-08 02:44:04 RJ45: I'm using Debian BTW, I heard Apache's quite different on Windows
2014-05-08 02:44:16 RJ45: okay hold on..
2014-05-08 02:46:16 RJ45: ptressel: all here:  http://94.173.177.100/publ/
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2014-05-08 02:51:03 ptressel: Ok, thanks!  I'm being time-shared with another conversation, so there may be pauses...
2014-05-08 02:51:14 RJ45: lol, NP, I got all night :)
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2014-05-08 03:01:35 ptressel: RJ45, I'm still here...telling someone about OpenStreetMap and online disaster response...
2014-05-08 03:02:00 RJ45: ptressel: you are a good person :)
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2014-05-08 03:43:37 ptressel: RJ45 It looks like you're using just about the default config file that came with Apache?
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2014-05-08 03:44:03 RJ45: yes
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2014-05-08 03:44:22 ptressel: Are you going to be online for a while?  I'm at a meeting and we're just breaking up, so I have to leave...will take me about an hour to get back online.
2014-05-08 03:44:50 RJ45: sure, I'm online for many many hours, my computer is my life (^_^)
2014-05-08 03:45:04 ptressel: :D
2014-05-08 03:45:07 RJ45: :)
2014-05-08 03:45:17 ptressel: Ok, I'll be back later!
2014-05-08 03:45:21 ptressel: Quit: bbl
2014-05-08 03:45:22 RJ45: cool :D
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2014-05-08 05:42:53 ptressel: Hi, RJ45!  I was looking on the wrong server for examples...  These are the lines from our ports.conf and our site file that relate to ssl: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7414271/
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2014-05-08 05:44:15 ptressel: One thing I noticed was that for SSLCertificateChainFile we have an actual .pem file -- yours has the .crt again.
2014-05-08 05:45:10 RJ45: okay, I'll go change a buncha stuff and I'll let you know how it works-out..
2014-05-08 05:45:15 ptressel: The comments say that's ok when "the CA certificates are directly appended to the server certificate for convinience"
2014-05-08 05:45:31 ptressel: So if your .crt is like that, it's fine.
2014-05-08 05:45:57 ptressel: Oh, wait...
2014-05-08 05:46:01 ptressel: You have *:443
2014-05-08 05:46:09 ptressel: Try putting in the actual IP address.
2014-05-08 05:46:41 ptressel: And add a ServerName line.
2014-05-08 05:50:19 ptressel: Hmmm...I see that the person who dealt with upgrading OpenSSL on that server did not revoke and reissue the cert. *Sigh*
2014-05-08 05:53:00 ptressel: Meh. I forgot to copy out the error messages you got.
2014-05-08 05:53:34 ptressel: I see "wp-logger" -- presume that's logging the channel...
2014-05-08 05:53:51 ptressel: Does anyone know if the IRC logs are posted online anywhere?
2014-05-08 05:56:54 RJ45: so I did this:  http://94.173.177.100/publ/default-ssl
2014-05-08 05:57:00 RJ45: still borked :/
2014-05-08 05:57:31 ptressel: Try the fully-qualified domain name?
2014-05-08 05:57:55 RJ45: which would be 94.173.177.100 ?
2014-05-08 05:58:10 ptressel: No, the DNS name, like blah.blah.org
2014-05-08 05:58:27 ptressel: That's for the ServerName line
2014-05-08 05:58:33 RJ45: I don't think that'd make any difference, as I've tried accessing it on 192.168.0.2 (it's LAN IP)
2014-05-08 05:58:41 RJ45: I have no DNS :P
2014-05-08 05:58:42 ptressel: Also, do you have both /home/pi and /home/pit ?
2014-05-08 05:58:48 ptressel: Ok
2014-05-08 05:58:57 RJ45: do I?, hold on, lol
2014-05-08 05:59:18 ptressel: Or is that just a typo?
2014-05-08 05:59:44 RJ45: corrected, still not working :/
2014-05-08 06:00:39 RJ45: whenever I restart Apache I get this:
2014-05-08 06:00:42 RJ45:  ~ $ sudo service apache2 restart[....] Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
2014-05-08 06:00:42 RJ45: [Thu May 08 06:59:18 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
2014-05-08 06:00:42 RJ45:  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
2014-05-08 06:00:43 RJ45: [Thu May 08 06:59:20 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
2014-05-08 06:00:46 RJ45: . ok
2014-05-08 06:00:48 RJ45:  
2014-05-08 06:00:50 RJ45: ..is that any help?
2014-05-08 06:00:56 ptressel: We don't have our VirtualHost block inside a conditional
2014-05-08 06:01:25 RJ45: so I do..
2014-05-08 06:01:29 RJ45: what?
2014-05-08 06:01:46 ptressel: Take off the IfModule
2014-05-08 06:02:04 ptressel: That was only around the Listen 443 in ports.conf
2014-05-08 06:03:39 ptressel: Ah, I've gotten the "could not reliably determine" thing. That's not a real error.
2014-05-08 06:03:53 ptressel: But I do have a fix for it...lemme look...
2014-05-08 06:03:56 RJ45: I should take off the if modules in ports.conf , default-ssl , or both?
2014-05-08 06:04:09 ptressel: default-ssl has one right at the top
2014-05-08 06:04:20 ptressel: Take that one off
2014-05-08 06:04:29 RJ45: done, still fail.
2014-05-08 06:04:30 RJ45: :
2014-05-08 06:04:32 RJ45: :/
2014-05-08 06:04:41 RJ45: sae error
2014-05-08 06:04:44 RJ45: same*
2014-05-08 06:04:58 ptressel: I didn't copy out the error, can you repeat it?
2014-05-08 06:05:13 RJ45:  ~ $ sudo service apache2 restart[....] Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
2014-05-08 06:05:13 RJ45: [Thu May 08 07:02:17 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
2014-05-08 06:05:13 RJ45:  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
2014-05-08 06:05:13 RJ45: [Thu May 08 07:02:18 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
2014-05-08 06:05:17 RJ45: . ok
2014-05-08 06:05:39 ptressel: It may not be picking up the new site file.
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2014-05-08 06:05:57 ptressel: Hmm, why does it say "apache2apache2"?
2014-05-08 06:06:18 RJ45: I think that's just IRC not pasting new lines right :P
2014-05-08 06:06:25 ptressel: And where is it finding NameVirtualHost *:443 ?
2014-05-08 06:06:30 ptressel: Ok
2014-05-08 06:06:43 RJ45: IDK
2014-05-08 06:07:41 ptressel: Do you have /etc/apache2/ports.conf and / or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ?
2014-05-08 06:07:49 ptressel: It could be in one of those.
2014-05-08 06:07:58 renoirb: ptressel, have a look at http://
2014-05-08 06:08:14 RJ45: I have ports.conf , no httpd.conf
2014-05-08 06:08:22 renoirb: ptressel, have a look at http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/#home
2014-05-08 06:08:27 ptressel: See if it has NameVirtualHost *:443
2014-05-08 06:08:49 ptressel: Aha, thanks renoirb !
2014-05-08 06:09:01 renoirb: I just arrived, currently fixing the database because 30 000 jobs and it will exponentially grow if i dont rebuild the db
2014-05-08 06:09:02 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics
2014-05-08 06:09:07 RJ45: all my confs are here:  http://94.173.177.100/publ/
2014-05-08 06:09:10 ptressel: Eeek.
2014-05-08 06:09:28 RJ45: (I updated the ones you've already seen)
2014-05-08 06:09:32 ptressel: RJ45, try this:
2014-05-08 06:09:37 ptressel: cd /etc/apache2
2014-05-08 06:09:44 renoirb: RJ45 the .pem files are basically concatenation of a few certificates. One on top of each other in that order:  your cert, CA, root .... to highest root at the bottom.
2014-05-08 06:09:52 ptressel: find . -exec fgrep NameVirtualHost {} \; -ls
2014-05-08 06:10:00 renoirb: Generally you have another private key that has to be separate
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2014-05-08 06:10:24 ptressel: I don't think that's the issue...there's a spurious *:443 in there
2014-05-08 06:10:37 ptressel: ...where there should be an nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn:443
2014-05-08 06:10:52 renoirb: RJ45 what do you get if you ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ... maybe ssl isn't there.
2014-05-08 06:11:25 renoirb: no, the <VirtualHost *:443> doesnt need to have ip address.
2014-05-08 06:11:36 renoirb: as much as it has a virtualhost and a listen clause
2014-05-08 06:11:41 ptressel: renoirb, it's saying NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
2014-05-08 06:11:55 RJ45:  $ ls mods-enabled/
2014-05-08 06:11:56 RJ45: alias.conf            autoindex.conf  geoip.conf        reqtimeout.conf
2014-05-08 06:11:56 RJ45: alias.load            autoindex.load  geoip.load        reqtimeout.load
2014-05-08 06:11:56 RJ45: auth_basic.load       cgi.load        mime.conf         rewrite.load
2014-05-08 06:11:56 RJ45: authn_file.load       deflate.conf    mime.load         setenvif.conf
2014-05-08 06:11:56 RJ45: authz_default.load    deflate.load    negotiation.conf  setenvif.load
2014-05-08 06:12:02 renoirb: no ssl
2014-05-08 06:12:12 ptressel: What's in mods-available ?
2014-05-08 06:12:14 renoirb: a2enmod
2014-05-08 06:12:23 renoirb: you should see ssl among the list
2014-05-08 06:16:17 RJ45: Ping timeout: 255 seconds
2014-05-08 06:17:25 ptressel: I haven't found my notes about why we had to use the actual IP address...
2014-05-08 06:24:12 ptressel: Hmm...did we have two IP addresses on that machine once upon a time?
2014-05-08 06:25:08 ptressel: In any case, if there is a NameVirtualHost for port 443, it has to match the corresponding VirtualHost, so should be either * in both places or IP address in both.
2014-05-08 06:28:08 renoirb: Hey ptressel, i didn't create the VM yet. I got stuck with maintenance and a write-up.
2014-05-08 06:28:24 ptressel: ;-)
2014-05-08 06:28:46 ptressel: Hmm...what should RJ45 put in for ServerName if he has no DNS name...
2014-05-08 06:28:51 ptressel: IP address?
2014-05-08 06:28:53 renoirb: Its 23:30 here in Vancouver but it feels like 01:00. I could talk more about it, but i'd rather talk aobut that crawling thing later rather than now.
2014-05-08 06:29:09 ptressel: Ok.
2014-05-08 06:29:20 renoirb: ServerName, but I get that complaint too, doesnt create problems, it just says that it actually uses by default the ip address anyway
2014-05-08 06:29:39 ptressel: Right, those messages were all warnings.
2014-05-08 06:29:58 renoirb: i think its mostly because of the mod ssl that isnt' enabled on his server
2014-05-08 06:30:08 renoirb: (regardless of hardware, its Debian right)
2014-05-08 06:30:27 ptressel: And this one doesn't hurt anything: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
2014-05-08 06:31:23 ptressel: Sounds like that's definitely a big Missing Piece !  Good catch!
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2014-05-08 06:41:26 Garbee: ptressel: They should stop trolling is what they should do.
2014-05-08 06:41:40 Garbee: That will be a better use of their time.
2014-05-08 06:42:25 Garbee: (RJ45 trolled #web like two days ago on stupid stuff.)
2014-05-08 06:57:55 ptressel: Ah...
2014-05-08 06:58:38 ptressel: Hmm, is renoirb in Vancouver *BC*?
2014-05-08 06:58:48 ptressel: If so, we're in the same timezone.
2014-05-08 06:59:00 ptressel: And only about 4 hours drive away.
2014-05-08 06:59:03 ptressel: :D
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2014-05-08 07:16:48 RJ45: ptressel: soo sorry I went offline so abruptly!, apparently my ISP has a fault in my area! x_x
2014-05-08 07:17:03 RJ45: I am currently connecting via Mobile Broadband Dongle
2014-05-08 07:17:08 ptressel: Try:
2014-05-08 07:17:14 ptressel: sudo a2enmod ssl
2014-05-08 07:17:20 RJ45: ..also as you may have guessed my server is also offline now
2014-05-08 07:17:31 RJ45: what with the ISP outage..
2014-05-08 07:17:45 ptressel: Whoops
2014-05-08 07:17:56 RJ45: customer service says it wont be fixed 'till 11:05 ¬_¬
2014-05-08 07:17:59 ptressel: Ok, try it later when it's back up
2014-05-08 07:18:01 RJ45: ass-hats :/
2014-05-08 07:18:13 RJ45: ptressel: I can still connect via LAN :D
2014-05-08 07:18:18 RJ45: 192.168.0.2
2014-05-08 07:18:36 RJ45: just gonna have-to finish this LAN style ;)
2014-05-08 07:18:43 RJ45: I'll go try that command :)
2014-05-08 07:19:34 ptressel: Also, Renoir says you can put the *:443 back -- don't need the IP address
2014-05-08 07:20:29 ptressel: You'll need to do that if you have NameVirtualHost *:443 in some file -- that has to match your VirtualHost line
2014-05-08 07:21:17 RJ45: okay, done all that, module loaded, apache restarted ..still same problem :/
2014-05-08 07:21:23 RJ45: no https
2014-05-08 07:22:23 ptressel: Do you see any ssl entries in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ?
2014-05-08 07:23:08 RJ45: ssl.conf , ssl.load
2014-05-08 07:23:29 ptressel: Ok, so the a2enmod worked...
2014-05-08 07:23:46 RJ45: apparently so
2014-05-08 07:23:47 ptressel: It may be time to post in the Apache httpd forums...
2014-05-08 07:24:07 RJ45: aw heeell no
2014-05-08 07:24:12 RJ45: >.<
2014-05-08 07:24:20 ptressel: They'll probably have the answer right off.
2014-05-08 07:25:02 RJ45: well thanks for all your help sir, at-least we havn't taken any steps backwards eh? :)
2014-05-08 07:25:24 ptressel: Hope not!
2014-05-08 07:25:30 RJ45: lulz
2014-05-08 07:25:34 ptressel: At least you've got the ssl module enabled...
2014-05-08 07:25:49 ptressel: (I'm a "mam" not a "sir" but hey....)
2014-05-08 07:25:55 ptressel: ( :D )
2014-05-08 07:25:56 RJ45: seriously though, you've been above and beyond helpful, I hope I can someday return the favour :D
2014-05-08 07:26:03 RJ45: mam eh?
2014-05-08 07:26:12 RJ45: well arn't you a fine lady :)
2014-05-08 07:27:52 RJ45: ptressel: if I ever end-up getting this thing to work, I'll try to let you know
2014-05-08 07:28:12 ptressel: Ok!  Let us know what the problem turns out to be!
2014-05-08 07:28:40 ptressel: That way we'll know for next time.  ;-)
2014-05-08 07:28:54 RJ45: sounds like fun (so not fun), great challenge (I hate challenges)
2014-05-08 07:29:02 RJ45: :P
2014-05-08 07:29:18 ptressel: :D
2014-05-08 07:29:46 RJ45: chow for now (^_^)
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2014-05-09 00:16:28 eliezerb: Hey renoirb, busy?
2014-05-09 00:16:38 emerson: part
2014-05-09 00:17:01 renoirb: Hi eliezerb
2014-05-09 00:17:10 eliezerb: renoirb: How busy are you?
2014-05-09 00:27:37 renoirb: busy: late;
2014-05-09 00:27:39 renoirb: why?
2014-05-09 00:27:44 renoirb: eliezerb
2014-05-09 00:29:09 eliezerb: renoirb: I went in a Wikimedia presentation, and they talked about some features, like a improved personal profile (Facebook-like) and a Visual Editor out of box in the new version o MW
2014-05-09 00:29:11 eliezerb: on*
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2014-05-09 00:29:46 eliezerb: I also asked about translations, and they recommend a plugin to work with that
2014-05-09 00:29:59 eliezerb: www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications)
2014-05-09 00:30:05 eliezerb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor
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2014-05-09 00:34:16 Ryan_Lane: there's the Translate extension for page translation
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2014-05-09 00:34:28 Ryan_Lane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
2014-05-09 00:34:56 renoirb: oh
2014-05-09 00:35:00 Ryan_Lane: though I think it only work with the vector skin, from what I remember
2014-05-09 00:35:13 Ryan_Lane: it's on the openstack wiki and that skin doesn't work with it
2014-05-09 00:35:24 renoirb: Yeah, unless I WebPlatform-ize  the Vector skin :)
2014-05-09 00:35:37 Ryan_Lane: shouldn't be terrible to fix (and it would help the openstack folks too)
2014-05-09 00:35:51 renoirb: But the asset management in MW makes me sick.
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2014-05-09 00:36:07 Ryan_Lane: why? resource loader is actually pretty nice
2014-05-09 00:36:12 Ryan_Lane: it's one of the nicer features of MW
2014-05-09 00:36:30 eliezerb: Ryan_Lane: Tomorrow I will attend in a Wikimedia Hackathon
2014-05-09 00:36:39 Ryan_Lane: eliezerb: oh, the one in Zurich?
2014-05-09 00:36:43 eliezerb: In Brazil
2014-05-09 00:36:57 Ryan_Lane: didn't know they were having one there :D
2014-05-09 00:37:03 eliezerb: It will be a "Wikipedia" Hackathon
2014-05-09 00:37:12 Ryan_Lane: I'm pretty out of the loop now that I'm not working there anymore
2014-05-09 00:37:18 Ryan_Lane: ah
2014-05-09 00:37:41 eliezerb: But it's possible to work on MW if you want it
2014-05-09 00:38:56 Ryan_Lane nods
2014-05-09 00:39:11 renoirb: its a matter of time :)
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2014-05-09 00:50:16 renoirb: not sure eliezerb, current priority is accounts. I cannot work on two project in the same time, i'm sidetracking enough due to maintenance and meetings :/
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2014-05-09 08:27:22 RJ45: ptressel: HEY YO!!
2014-05-09 08:27:37 RJ45: I JUST GOT THE F***ING HTTPS WORKING!  XD
2014-05-09 08:28:08 RJ45: how to get it working is NOT obvious, and I had-to use a-lot of intuition..
2014-05-09 08:28:49 RJ45: basically I more-or-less followed the instructions here to create a whole new cert:  http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html
2014-05-09 08:29:05 RJ45: (I did some things a bit differently at the end)
2014-05-09 08:29:17 RJ45: AND THEN!, now here's the not so obvious clincher..
2014-05-09 08:29:40 RJ45: I run:  sudo a2ensite
2014-05-09 08:30:10 RJ45: then typed 'default-ssl', hit enter, restarted apache2, and VIOLA!
2014-05-09 08:30:20 RJ45: mutha fuckin' HTTPS bitchez!! :D
2014-05-09 08:30:30 RJ45: ptressel: ...you there?
2014-05-09 08:32:37 RJ45: oh man, I an soo frickin' hyped right now, I've been futilely tinkering with .confs for f***ing days trying to get HTTPS working, now I have it working
2014-05-09 08:33:37 RJ45: I'm considering making a tutorial and posting it somewhere, combining everything I've tried and my experiences, to create the ULTIMATE HTTPS tutorial..
2014-05-09 08:34:08 RJ45: seriously, all the tutorials and forum posts on this are wank and miss-guided
2014-05-09 08:36:40 ptressel: Congratulations, RJ45!
2014-05-09 08:36:46 RJ45:  \o/
2014-05-09 08:36:48 RJ45: XD
2014-05-09 08:37:14 ptressel: Yes, you should write it up.
2014-05-09 08:37:48 RJ45: ptressel: so yeah, next time someone asks you how to get HTTPS working in apache2, add 'sudo a2ensite defaul-ssl' to ur check-list :)
2014-05-09 08:38:10 ptressel: Oops. I think we thought you knew about that.
2014-05-09 08:38:19 RJ45: ¬_¬
2014-05-09 08:38:26 RJ45: *le sigh*
2014-05-09 08:38:33 RJ45: eh well
2014-05-09 08:39:00 ptressel: As Shakespeare says, All's well that ends well...
2014-05-09 08:39:01 RJ45: muh fancy-pants shiny HTTPS :3   https://94.173.177.100/
2014-05-09 08:39:11 ptressel: Cool!
2014-05-09 08:39:12 RJ45: chek it :P
2014-05-09 08:39:41 RJ45: it's 09:39 here in the UK, happiest morning ever :D
2014-05-09 08:40:27 RJ45: well c'ya :)
2014-05-09 08:40:41 ptressel: Whoa a RasPi!
2014-05-09 08:40:46 RJ45: thanks again for all the help before (^_^)
2014-05-09 08:40:51 RJ45: lol, so you noticed eh?
2014-05-09 08:40:52 RJ45: :)
2014-05-09 08:40:58 ptressel: Niiiice.
2014-05-09 08:41:12 RJ45: heheh yeah it's pretty sweet
2014-05-09 08:41:22 RJ45: I use it as my 24/7 server
2014-05-09 08:41:46 RJ45: seeds Linux ISOs, my webserver, share files with it, all that stuff :)
2014-05-09 08:41:50 ptressel: I just got a Beaglebone Black, but it's for a robot.
2014-05-09 08:42:40 RJ45: I've been considering saving-up my money to get this:  http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G138745696275
2014-05-09 08:43:20 RJ45: it looks pretty epic
2014-05-09 08:43:31 ptressel: Wow.
2014-05-09 08:43:36 RJ45: IKR
2014-05-09 08:44:06 RJ45: think of all the stuff you could do with it..
2014-05-09 08:44:36 RJ45: I've heard it's really good for game amulation
2014-05-09 08:44:40 RJ45: emulation*
2014-05-09 08:44:47 ptressel: Signal processing...
2014-05-09 08:45:07 RJ45: one might powerful Linux spy box..
2014-05-09 08:45:17 RJ45: mighty*
2014-05-09 08:45:23 ptressel: Wonder if one can call out to the gpu.
2014-05-09 08:45:54 RJ45: lulz, I wish I could program, but I hate learning programming x_x
2014-05-09 08:46:17 ptressel: It's not bad -- just do the fun stuff.
2014-05-09 08:46:33 RJ45: like not programming? :P
2014-05-09 08:46:38 ptressel: :D
2014-05-09 08:46:43 RJ45: (^_^)
2014-05-09 08:47:12 RJ45: I'm pretty L33t with a BASH shell though :)
2014-05-09 08:47:28 ptressel: Try Python -- it's less annoying than other languages.
2014-05-09 08:48:06 ptressel: It's named after Monty Python, not the snake...
2014-05-09 08:48:23 RJ45: so I've heard, I've tried to learn it, but I keep getting distracted, when I say 'tried', I didn't do much.
2014-05-09 08:48:34 ptressel: Heh.
2014-05-09 08:49:02 RJ45: I wanna learn Javascript if anything, to compliment my already awesome knowledge of HTML and CSS
2014-05-09 08:49:38 ptressel: That's a good choice.
2014-05-09 08:49:56 RJ45: I was doing a Codecademy on Javascript for a while, then I just dirfted away from it, I should sign-in again
2014-05-09 08:50:09 ptressel: ;-)
2014-05-09 08:50:23 RJ45: :)
2014-05-09 08:50:48 ptressel: jsbin.com is nice for trying stuff out
2014-05-09 08:51:28 RJ45: ah cool, there's a-lot of sites like that now
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2014-05-09 08:52:27 ptressel: Whoa, I was going to suggest Udacity for learning Python, but it's no longer free.
2014-05-09 08:54:27 ptressel: Or maybe they're just trying to upsell to their non-free offerings.
2014-05-09 08:55:24 RJ45: although still a little buggy, I like Codecademy :)
2014-05-09 08:56:32 ptressel: Yeah, one of my students tried their Python material, and said it gave errors on correct code.
2014-05-09 08:56:33 RJ45: I learned HTML and CSS by myself before even Codecademy existed, I'm really awesome in HTML and CSS, so I did the Codecademy for HTML and CSS in less than a day just for fun :P
2014-05-09 08:56:49 ptressel: :D
2014-05-09 08:57:00 RJ45: all those 'badges' XD
2014-05-09 08:57:31 ptressel: That part works. ;-)  It's how they motivate people.
2014-05-09 08:57:45 RJ45: it is quite motivating :)
2014-05-09 08:58:48 ptressel: Use jQuery with Javascript -- makes things lots easier.
2014-05-09 08:59:30 ptressel: http://jquery.com/
2014-05-09 08:59:47 ptressel: http://jqueryui.com/
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2014-05-09 09:01:03 RJ45: I gotta got do some stuff now, l8r :)
2014-05-09 09:01:20 ptressel: o/
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2014-05-13 16:59:54 shepazu: hi, jensimmons
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2014-05-13 17:02:16 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: did you get a call-in solution figured out?
2014-05-13 17:02:46 jensimmons: https://talky.io
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2014-05-13 17:06:02 AmeliaBR: shepazu & Julee:  Discussing scheduling of telecon re DocSprint Europe
2014-05-13 17:06:20 AmeliaBR: ... was scheduled for February, but will try to reschedule
2014-05-13 17:06:57 AmeliaBR: February <-> Friday
2014-05-13 17:07:55 AmeliaBR: eliot:  reminder that Jay had asked for suggestion of topics for DocSprint
2014-05-13 17:08:12 AmeliaBR: Julee:  Should anyone be working on the Javascript import review?
2014-05-13 17:08:36 AmeliaBR: eliot:  If anyone wants to sure, but he can do it in-house at MS if necessary
2014-05-13 17:08:47 jswisher is in the channel but not on the call
2014-05-13 17:09:10 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I don't think it would hurt to invite people to work on JS clean-up
2014-05-13 17:09:38 AmeliaBR: eliot: would be a task for people who don't have a lot of other experience
2014-05-13 17:10:06 AmeliaBR: doug:  if SVG is main focus, need to make sure people are familiar
2014-05-13 17:10:34 AmeliaBR: ... will discuss further when everyone involved with DocSprint is available (i.e., rescheduled telcon)
2014-05-13 17:11:01 AmeliaBR: (doug == shepazu)
2014-05-13 17:11:11 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC:  Topic page formatting
2014-05-13 17:11:41 AmeliaBR: All agreed, minus sarcasm from shepazu, that tables are ugly and confusing
2014-05-13 17:12:33 AmeliaBR: Jen:  Should only have title, not path, should be list not table
2014-05-13 17:12:39 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties
2014-05-13 17:13:29 AmeliaBR: ^^Example of inline query structure
2014-05-13 17:14:15 AmeliaBR: Alternative result formats for queries:  http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Result_formats
2014-05-13 17:15:04 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Would be nice to condense long lists as hierachy, possibly toggle-able
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2014-05-13 17:17:03 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I can work on this eventually, but have other commitments already
2014-05-13 17:17:58 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  is there someone else who get experiment with these queries to figure out better output?  Can we reach out beyond our usual core of contributors?
2014-05-13 17:18:10 AmeliaBR: who get <-> who can
2014-05-13 17:18:24 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I did some work with SMW Queries
2014-05-13 17:19:17 renoirb: :P~
2014-05-13 17:19:36 shepazu: eliezerb, do you have time to help with this formatting issue?
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2014-05-13 17:20:08 eliezerb: shepazu: Yes, I just need to fresh my memory about those queries, but I'm always here to help
2014-05-13 17:20:18 eliezerb: :-)
2014-05-13 17:20:27 shepazu: eliezerb, let's talk after the call
2014-05-13 17:20:31 eliezerb: cool
2014-05-13 17:20:53 eliot: Can I throw out there that this could be a list with more details on hover or another means?
2014-05-13 17:21:03 AmeliaBR: Plan would be (a)  replace index tables with query lists (b) examine more nuanced options when lists are really long
2014-05-13 17:21:45 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC:  Readiness markers
2014-05-13 17:22:00 renoirb: shepazu: http://www.w3.org/mid/CAB0bRKOCzGOzrHESCEgT2mNecvyOkQ+bU_19wvpWFPJeie2FHw@mail.gmail.com
2014-05-13 17:22:02 renoirb: is one of them
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2014-05-13 17:23:01 renoirb: This one has a lot of images http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014May/0044.html
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2014-05-13 17:23:23 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  discussing different sample images
2014-05-13 17:23:44 AmeliaBR: eliot: I find angled ribbon distracting
2014-05-13 17:23:55 AmeliaBR: shepazu, renoir, AmeliaBR agree
2014-05-13 17:24:43 AmeliaBR: renoirb: sidebar is neater
2014-05-13 17:25:29 AmeliaBR: eliot: also similar to status markers on W3 specs
2014-05-13 17:25:49 AmeliaBR: shepazu: agreed.  Was that the intention?
2014-05-13 17:26:16 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: not originally, but I recognized the similarity
2014-05-13 17:26:46 AmeliaBR: ...there are two versions: square stripe up to the bar, or with a circle end to mimic the logo
2014-05-13 17:27:18 AmeliaBR: eliot:  I like the rounded version, webplatform's version of w3 status markers
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2014-05-13 17:27:56 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I like look, but I don't know how to do this without abuse of absolute positioning
2014-05-13 17:28:45 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  should be possible, would like to have top of stripe move with page but words stay fixed as you scroll
2014-05-13 17:28:59 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  also still need to work with colours
2014-05-13 17:29:15 renoirb +1 vertical bar + rivet
2014-05-13 17:29:39 AmeliaBR: ...what do people think?  Home page colour set versus more intuitive green-red sequence
2014-05-13 17:30:36 AmeliaBR: ...want colour meaning to be obvious when someone first lands on a page
2014-05-13 17:31:18 AmeliaBR: eliot: is the green-yellow-red meaning culturally independent?
2014-05-13 17:32:01 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: green-yellow-red traffic signals seem to be fairly universal
2014-05-13 17:32:22 AmeliaBR: julee: with the words as well, there is flexibility in the colours
2014-05-13 17:32:45 AmeliaBR: eliot: because of the words, we can choose colours that are a little more attractive
2014-05-13 17:33:23 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  colours should always be secondary for accessibility reasons, but colours shouldn't be confusing
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2014-05-13 17:33:57 AmeliaBR: renoirb: another option is to incorporate icons/shapes
2014-05-13 17:34:51 AmeliaBR: shepazu: don't want to dwell on colours, but am concerned about contrast issues with yellow background
2014-05-13 17:35:23 AmeliaBR: ...could just swap purple and red from current colour scheme
2014-05-13 17:35:55 renoirb: +1 on colors choice to Jen. BTW, I like the color choice anyway
2014-05-13 17:36:00 AmeliaBR: julee: we can always do something, then adjust based on feedback
2014-05-13 17:36:35 renoirb: Anyway, we aren't stuck on old IE versions so text and colors won't need images :)
2014-05-13 17:36:40 AmeliaBR: shepazu: work on the design and layout first, changing colours later is easy
2014-05-13 17:38:07 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: worried about terms "coming later" is problematic, suggests that people shouldn't work on this
2014-05-13 17:38:52 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: "not started" might be confusing on an unreviewed import page
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2014-05-13 17:39:57 renoirb just thought about "needs some love"
2014-05-13 17:40:18 renoirb: +1 "needs work"
2014-05-13 17:40:19 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  "needs work"
2014-05-13 17:40:37 renoirb: q+
2014-05-13 17:40:48 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  "needs work" is good, since it encourages contribution
2014-05-13 17:41:09 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  sounds good for now, this isn't hard to change later
2014-05-13 17:42:10 AmeliaBR: ...given the prominence, is it clear that status refers to article not specs
2014-05-13 17:43:04 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  example text box was "This article is..." but that's lost in graphic examples
2014-05-13 17:43:37 AmeliaBR: renoirb: although we want to move warnings out of the way for good content, maybe a big warning box is a good idea in Not Started pages
2014-05-13 17:44:24 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  how to efficiently inform people of ongoing projects?
2014-05-13 17:44:40 AmeliaBR: shepazu: should we not have a marker on pages that are ready to use
2014-05-13 17:44:57 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: I think it's important to establish a consistent pattern
2014-05-13 17:45:14 AmeliaBR: ...maybe two years from now, when most pages are ready to use, we can drop the notice
2014-05-13 17:46:15 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I like the sidebar status concept, when status is more consistent in future we can consider a different way of doing this
2014-05-13 17:47:01 AmeliaBR: ...e.g. for now we're using compatibility as tables, similar to MDN, in future that might change
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2014-05-13 17:48:38 AmeliaBR: (tangent on how to display compatibility info tabled until future)
2014-05-13 17:49:32 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: for now, let's use "Ready to Use"
2014-05-13 17:50:12 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: should we still put the template up for now, with a <div> for the text?
2014-05-13 17:50:36 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Yes, add a line of html at a place where it makes sense as plain text/screen reader/api
2014-05-13 17:51:31 AmeliaBR: renoirb: might be able to add info in http headers as well
2014-05-13 17:52:02 renoirb: ... I think its possible to query through PHP result of your work AmeliaBR and i'd do HTTP headers.
2014-05-13 17:52:28 renoirb: shepazu: talking about scheduling template updates
2014-05-13 17:52:28 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Action to AmeliaBR: please go ahead with template to add this info for jensimmons to use for styling
2014-05-13 17:52:39 jensimmons: <div class=“readiness-marker”>This article is <a href=“”>Ready to Use</a></div>
2014-05-13 17:52:43 renoirb: ... renoirb asks to know when, he'll take care of ensuring it doesnt blow the server :)
2014-05-13 17:53:11 renoirb: note that the next site in /upgrade/ will possibly prevent current problems
2014-05-13 17:53:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  IMPORTANT note: any changes to templates should be scheduled and renoirb should be warned, so that the server queue doesn't crash
2014-05-13 17:53:32 jensimmons: That HTML should also be the fallback for any browsers that can’t use the CSS we write to make the text verticle. Old IE, etc.
2014-05-13 17:54:22 renoirb: Thanks for touching base with me AmeliaBR
2014-05-13 17:54:37 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  timing not essential, but I need to know.  Hopefully,  next server upgrade will take care of problem
2014-05-13 17:55:25 renoirb: server upgrade is basically MediaWiki+SMW software upgrade
2014-05-13 17:55:55 renoirb: (Ubuntu server version isn't related to the possible factor of improvement on this particular issue)
2014-05-13 17:55:56 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Once we have readiness flags up, we will have to go through and set good pages to ready/almost done/etc.
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2014-05-13 17:57:15 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  if we're going to be walking through and cataloguing, there is also the API syntax index issues, although that could also be done at a DocSprint
2014-05-13 17:57:16 renoirb: SMW problem is basically: A widely used template called into another page creates jobs inside mediawiki.  There is a bug in SMW when MW job queue is run that creates sub tasks... creating thousands and thousands of jobs.
2014-05-13 17:58:28 julee: Sorry. Have to run…
2014-05-13 17:58:41 AmeliaBR: ...we need to figure out timing.  Should we still be doing this on test wiki when we don't have a scheduled?
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2014-05-13 17:59:21 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  we should have a default, maybe nothing prints if no value set, or just a small line out of sight?
2014-05-13 18:00:20 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: we can do that, just not print if there is no value set in the form
2014-05-13 18:00:43 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: are we still going to have details note box?
2014-05-13 18:01:00 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: last plan was details/notes would be in form, but not in the page
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2014-05-13 18:03:12 AmeliaBR: ...the status would link to definition page, which would also tell people to edit page to see details
2014-05-13 18:03:21 AmeliaBR: shepazu: What's the plan?
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2014-05-13 18:03:39 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I will get things ready to go on test wiki, then roll out on main.  What is default?
2014-05-13 18:03:57 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: default should be nothing displays until the page status has been set.
2014-05-13 18:04:03 renoirb: We can dry run on the /upgrade/ wiki too
2014-05-13 18:04:07 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: I will be working on the CSS
2014-05-13 18:04:10 renoirb: jensimmons, AmeliaBR ^
2014-05-13 18:04:24 AmeliaBR: Thanks renoirb.
2014-05-13 18:04:50 renoirb: I can make you admin there, or just drop the database and import a new snapshot off of the live site.
2014-05-13 18:04:55 jensimmons: Thanks everyone!!!! I think this readiness state stuff is really good!
2014-05-13 18:05:09 jensimmons: I will help people understand WPD — how to use it, and how to help
2014-05-13 18:05:12 renoirb: Next time, AmeliaBR, i'll scribe
2014-05-13 18:06:03 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  whichever works for you (re upgrade wiki).  And I'll remind you if you're late next week!
2014-05-13 18:06:32 renoirb: np AmeliaBR.
2014-05-13 18:06:52 renoirb: I'm busy full time on authentication ATM, if you have technical worries, just ping me
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2014-05-14 15:26:04 renoirb: eliezerb, I got your message on irc.mozilla.org #mdn, you traitor :P
2014-05-14 15:26:30 eliezerb: lol
2014-05-14 15:26:38 eliezerb: I'm also a mozillian :P
2014-05-14 15:26:53 renoirb: I wished we could make it so addictive for translation
2014-05-14 15:27:07 eliezerb: Yeah, they also use semantic templates
2014-05-14 15:27:12 eliezerb: Visual editor
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2014-05-14 15:27:26 eliezerb: And they are some feature really automatic
2014-05-14 15:27:28 renoirb: but its like the problem with society and the basics that aren't filled. Its pointless to think about proper highways when most of the people lives in favelas.
2014-05-14 15:27:32 eliezerb: they have*
2014-05-14 15:28:08 eliezerb: But they also have some issues, just like Webplatform
2014-05-14 15:29:19 renoirb: My bouncer has some hotwords and it sends me an email when it happens. I got surprised to see you there, mentioning one of them, not here :D
2014-05-14 15:29:31 eliezerb: :P
2014-05-14 15:29:45 renoirb: Did you ever play with Backbone?
2014-05-14 15:29:55 eliezerb: Just saw some posts about it
2014-05-14 15:30:02 renoirb: I'm deep in it ATM
2014-05-14 15:30:55 eliezerb: btw renoirb, this Sunday i'll give a talk about specs and Webplatform :)
2014-05-14 15:31:23 eliezerb: Really hope to get other Brazilian folks involved with the project
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2014-05-14 15:31:58 renoirb: Yaay!
2014-05-14 15:32:20 renoirb: \o/
2014-05-14 15:32:35 eliezerb: renoirb: And some mentions about Test the Web Forward
2014-05-14 15:33:18 eliezerb: I'll play on the "web forward" team, MDN, Webplatform, all of them have the same goal
2014-05-14 15:33:20 eliezerb: :)
2014-05-14 15:33:21 renoirb: Good!  At the moment we are still stuck with the scraper that doesn't go deep enough in MDN
2014-05-14 15:33:37 eliezerb: Well, I have some contacts around there :)
2014-05-14 15:33:45 eliezerb: Did you tried to ping someone?
2014-05-14 15:34:02 eliezerb: I talked with a Mozilla guy last week (in a party)
2014-05-14 15:34:22 eliezerb: And he told me something like, they have 2 different sources for compatables
2014-05-14 15:34:57 eliezerb: But I'm not that much sure if this was exactly what he said
2014-05-14 15:37:39 renoirb: we tried to ping them, they want to do their own compat tables.  We are going to aggregate from other sources and eventually get from test the web forward results directlry
2014-05-14 15:37:50 renoirb: they just want to do on their side, without us.
2014-05-14 15:38:32 renoirb: my personal opinion is that its a waste, but nevermind. We are ready to roll it out, its just that because of their hardcoded limitations, we have limited dataset
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2014-05-14 21:54:11 theo__: hello
2014-05-14 21:55:35 theo__: Just a quick question
2014-05-14 21:56:37 theo__: I've been trying to add more content to the File Api section but there is currently 2 pages there
2014-05-14 21:56:38 theo__: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/file
2014-05-14 21:56:50 theo__: and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/file_api
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2014-05-17 23:13:46 mkuehnel: Hi there. I’m joining the docsprint in germany tomorrow. But I’m not able to log in. If I try to I get the follwing error message: »Your account is not active, please check your e-mail.«
2014-05-17 23:14:27 mkuehnel: But there is no activation email. wether in my inbox nor in my spam folder.
2014-05-17 23:17:00 mkuehnel: So I tried to get the email via the tab »Claim a username« If I enter my email address over there and firing up the form I get the error messages »required« followed by the the message »Your submission is invalid. Please try again.«
2014-05-17 23:18:27 mkuehnel: It seems like I have to try with a another nickname and email address 😖
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2014-05-17 23:23:08 mkuehnel: Okay. Newregistration with another username and email adress: I got no success message after I entered my registration data and submitted the form.
2014-05-17 23:23:39 mkuehnel: And I’m still waiting for the activation email …
2014-05-17 23:23:46 mkuehnel: Any advices?
2014-05-17 23:24:26 renoirb: oh hi
2014-05-17 23:24:42 renoirb reading
2014-05-17 23:25:12 renoirb: wait a sec.
2014-05-17 23:25:21 renoirb: what is your nickname in both cases mkuehnel
2014-05-17 23:25:23 renoirb: ?
2014-05-17 23:26:08 mkuehnel: Hi, my first try was »mischah« and my second try was »mkuehnel«.
2014-05-17 23:26:24 mkuehnel: @renoirb
2014-05-17 23:26:30 renoirb: yup, looking into it
2014-05-17 23:26:40 mkuehnel: Thanks in advance.
2014-05-17 23:26:44 renoirb: which one you prefer mkuehnel ?
2014-05-17 23:27:00 mkuehnel: the first one: »mischah«
2014-05-17 23:27:50 renoirb: let me see, where did you create your account, link (just in case)
2014-05-17 23:28:16 renoirb: mkuehnel?
2014-05-17 23:29:08 mkuehnel: The first von over here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/input/type/radio
2014-05-17 23:29:20 renoirb: ok in /wiki/ that's what I wanted to see.
2014-05-17 23:29:24 mkuehnel: within the flyout menu on the right side.
2014-05-17 23:29:31 renoirb: now, you clicked on create an account, right.
2014-05-17 23:29:43 renoirb: what is your email (in a private msg)
2014-05-17 23:29:47 mkuehnel: Yep.
2014-05-17 23:29:47 renoirb: pls
2014-05-17 23:30:12 renoirb: strange enough i dont see your username in the new users mkuehnel
2014-05-17 23:30:19 renoirb: let me see again before creating one for you
2014-05-17 23:30:29 mkuehnel: okay.
2014-05-17 23:32:34 mkuehnel: away/ smoking
2014-05-17 23:33:25 mkuehnel is back in a few minutes
2014-05-17 23:35:18 renoirb: mkuehnel, strange enough, i could create an account myself.
2014-05-17 23:36:01 renoirb: did you find the mail from MediaWiki Mail with subject line "WebPlatform Docs email address confirmation"  mkuehnel ?
2014-05-17 23:36:06 renoirb: maybe in your spam folder?
2014-05-17 23:36:43 renoirb: ping me when you are back
2014-05-17 23:42:49 mkuehnel: No email at all : [ @renoirb
2014-05-17 23:43:05 renoirb: ok. I see you there http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&ususers=mischah
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2014-05-17 23:47:15 mkuehnel: me too … but can you activate my user or resend that activation mail? @renoirb
2014-05-17 23:47:30 renoirb: that's what i'm looking at mkuehnel
2014-05-17 23:47:43 renoirb: In fact I dont even see your email in our email exit relay server
2014-05-17 23:47:56 mkuehnel: Thanks 😘
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2014-05-17 23:52:48 mkuehnel: I just got a test mail from root@mail.webplatform.org
2014-05-18 00:01:49 renoirb: Look at http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Mischa
2014-05-18 00:01:55 renoirb: I do not see your username with a h.
2014-05-18 00:01:57 renoirb: strange
2014-05-18 00:02:14 renoirb: I know, that was me testing if mail gets out.
2014-05-18 00:05:59 renoirb: are you are you logged in with any of those two accounts?
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2014-05-18 07:52:47 paulv_: Hi all
2014-05-18 07:52:57 mkuehnel: Hi there …
2014-05-18 07:54:03 paulv_: question for the stewards, what are we doing with deprecated HTML elements? Document them and explain in the description that it's deprecated and why?
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2014-05-18 08:16:34 mkuehnel: The link from: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started to the »editors guide« is broken. or lets say the index of the editors guide has no content and contains no links.
2014-05-18 08:16:50 mkuehnel: Its only possible to get to »Step 5 of the Editor's Guide« from  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
2014-05-18 08:17:25 mkuehnel: And »step 5« doesn’t conatin links to the other steps. See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide/step_5_update_existing_content
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2014-05-18 08:46:24 Bad_Advice_Cat: By a show of digital hands, are your webpages designed to support multiple languages (as simple as adding a language file), even if you currently only support 1 language?
2014-05-18 08:46:34 Bad_Advice_Cat: Lol, wrong channel.
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2014-05-18 09:41:24 anselm_: WPDS DUS: HTML, SVG Group tracks its changes at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c1iMXbLln0x0Dmq4_xFEpoL3MdkcVhXfLQDEaHvkKgY/edit?usp=sharing
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2014-05-18 10:02:33 anselm: Get started with the practice page on how to document, edit pages on WPD: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Practice_Page
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2014-05-18 10:06:14 anselm: Code Styleguide for WPD: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style/Sample_best_practices
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2014-05-18 10:46:07 jkphl: anyone knows how to deal with this one? when editing an (already saved) code sample and hitting "save" again, i get an error message stating "You cannot fork your own gist" (see screenshot http://jkphl.is//fileadmin/wpds/codeexample-fork.jpg). any ideas? "save as new" to the rescue?
2014-05-18 10:47:51 anselm: Maybe @renoirb or @shepazou know more?
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2014-05-18 10:57:31 jkphl: next one: how to successfully upload SVG files? jkphl.is/fileadmin/wpds/upload-svg.png
2014-05-18 10:57:55 jkphl: and now with scheme: http://jkphl.is/fileadmin/wpds/upload-svg.png
2014-05-18 10:59:23 Schepp1: jkphl: I think the Gist thing is a problem of Lea Verou's Dabblet. It is used as code highlighter/runner in Webplatform.org and it uses Github Gists to save your code.
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2014-05-18 11:02:06 frozenice: jkphl: you need 10 edits to create new pages (a new file also counts as a new page), this is a measure against spam-bots
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2014-05-18 11:02:40 frozenice: we might want to consider lowering that..
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2014-05-18 11:54:10 rodneyrehm: heya!
2014-05-18 11:54:40 rodneyrehm: anyone know if there's a document on code style for examples?
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2014-05-18 11:56:36 Garbee: rodneyrehm: I don't think we've actually decided on a code style for examples.
2014-05-18 11:57:14 Garbee: Just follow general conventions like, non-caps tags for HTML, camelcase for JS, etc. and things are fine.
2014-05-18 11:57:42 Garbee: CSS structure... who really cares right now. That isn't an important thing.
2014-05-18 11:58:49 Garbee: Just make sure whatever is written is legible. i.e. Don't combine multiple different selectors for a ruleset on the same line.
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2014-05-18 11:58:57 rodneyrehm: well, regardless of having settled on a style, there should be a page that details a proposed style so it can be augmented to fit the concencus, no?
2014-05-18 11:59:46 Garbee: Our discussion was just pointing to other documented style guides, like Google's for HTML/CSS, on of the jQuery ones for JS, etc.
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2014-05-18 11:59:57 Garbee: No need to write our own when there are plenty already out and in use.
2014-05-18 12:01:26 rodneyrehm: While I don't agree with the jQuery style, it's better than not having a style at all. Can those guides be referenced in the contributor's guide?
2014-05-18 12:02:35 Garbee: Submit an email to the mailing list to discuss what we should use more first. Everyone has an opinion on every style guide for different reasons. We shouldn't go just throwing a few up for use without having a few people show agreement first.
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2014-05-18 12:03:25 Garbee: Just recommend the ones you think should be used, maybe explain why and wait for either discussion for different ones or a few lgtm responses.
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2014-05-18 12:53:13 paulv_: so it's easier to reference to it?
2014-05-18 12:53:33 paulv_: also, it's probably better to wrap it in a figure element
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2014-05-18 13:11:28 mkuehnel: There is  bug in preview mode with html entities. See https://twitter.com/mkuehnel/status/468015784913289216
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2014-05-18 13:32:42 franciov: Hello from Dusseldorf! ;)
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2014-05-18 13:48:07 Schepp1: frozenice Would it be possible for you guys to update code.webplatform.org to the newest code? See: https://twitter.com/LeaVerou/status/468017482260021250
2014-05-18 13:48:53 frozenice: Schepp1: I'll ping renoirb with that
2014-05-18 13:49:39 Schepp1: frozenice <3
2014-05-18 13:49:57 frozenice: how is the meat? :o a pity I couldn't come
2014-05-18 13:51:53 Schepp1: It was veeeeery delicious :) Also the whisky *slurp*
2014-05-18 13:52:01 frozenice: damn :D
2014-05-18 13:52:11 Schepp1: Next time you'll be there, too!
2014-05-18 13:52:17 frozenice: aye
2014-05-18 13:53:02 Schepp1: :)
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2014-05-18 14:59:04 renoirb: Hi all!
2014-05-18 14:59:32 renoirb: frozenice, where do people went.
2014-05-18 14:59:52 frozenice: hi
2014-05-18 15:00:24 frozenice: dunno, I have join/part msgs turned off :)
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2014-05-18 15:02:16 renoirb: hahaha, my bouncer has them too
2014-05-18 15:02:33 renoirb just got up.  I’m to fix the bug with dabblet
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2014-05-18 15:03:36 paulv_: @renoirb I'm here now
2014-05-18 15:04:07 paulv_: my wifi keeps shutting down, and I have to reload the web client every time that happens
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2014-05-18 15:16:32 renoirb: hi paulv_
2014-05-18 15:16:42 renoirb: I'm trying to merge dabblet without breaking
2014-05-18 15:17:12 renoirb: leaverou's patch is not "a patch".   I have to merge, and make sure I dont wipe webplatform style while doing so
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2014-05-18 15:38:08 renoirb: hi drublic, justinavery, anselm, still drinking beer from hell?
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2014-05-18 15:42:42 anselm: renoirb :D not yet but now as we’re in the finish of the WPDS :)
2014-05-18 15:42:55 renoirb: yep.
2014-05-18 15:43:02 renoirb: I'm dropping the dabblet merge
2014-05-18 15:43:24 anselm: cool
2014-05-18 15:43:25 renoirb: I cannot just rebase leaverrou’s code under ours.
2014-05-18 15:43:42 anselm: ah, sorry, misunderstood.
2014-05-18 15:43:57 renoirb: lots of places with hardcoded keys, text that is changed and css files too
2014-05-18 15:44:19 renoirb: I wished it was a simple git rebase... but its not.
2014-05-18 15:44:24 anselm: :/ still a solution is needed. Hopefully we can find a solution soon
2014-05-18 15:44:35 anselm: and thanks for your effort
2014-05-18 15:44:36 renoirb: yes, to do a rebase
2014-05-18 15:45:05 renoirb: sorry, yes, to manually merge from her upstream, make a one commit of our own differences.
2014-05-18 15:45:17 renoirb: Its a clusterfuck
2014-05-18 15:45:48 anselm: Okay. ;) I’ll now switch off here, grab a beer…
2014-05-18 15:45:52 renoirb: I mean, for somebody who is said "just apply a patch" on a sunday morning.
2014-05-18 15:46:05 anselm: :D
2014-05-18 15:46:07 renoirb: Its morning for me here
2014-05-18 15:46:16 renoirb: Prost!
2014-05-18 15:46:19 anselm: oh, so no beer time for you
2014-05-18 15:46:21 anselm: thanks
2014-05-18 15:46:28 anselm: but have a good sunday!
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2014-05-20 16:41:30 AmeliaBR: FYI to all:  I've finally had a chance to test out the last round of suggested changes for the readiness marker template.
2014-05-20 16:41:45 AmeliaBR: This is what it looks like as a form:  http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=javascript/DataView&action=formedit
2014-05-20 16:42:27 AmeliaBR: This is the current appearance of the page (but their are CSS classes to support Jen's graphical version): http://docs.webplatform.org/test/javascript/DataView
2014-05-20 16:42:36 AmeliaBR: their <-> there
2014-05-20 16:43:23 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  I'll be waiting on you to let me know a good time to roll out to the main site.
2014-05-20 16:45:30 renoirb: Hi AmeliaBR, today can be a good time
2014-05-20 16:46:37 AmeliaBR: ok -- maybe after the telcon?
2014-05-20 16:46:51 renoirb: yes
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2014-05-20 17:08:14 renoirb: scribenick: renoirb
2014-05-20 17:08:20 renoirb: meeting in a few minutes
2014-05-20 17:13:54 renoirb: Starting meeting
2014-05-20 17:14:02 renoirb: chair: shepazu
2014-05-20 17:14:17 renoirb: Topic: DocSprint during BeyondTellerand
2014-05-20 17:14:25 renoirb: ... it happened last weekend
2014-05-20 17:17:55 renoirb: ... there were some noise on IRC and Twitter https://twitter.com/search?q=WPDS
2014-05-20 17:18:12 renoirb: ... https://twitter.com/rodneyrehm/status/467939708040134657/photo/1
2014-05-20 17:18:45 renoirb: ... https://twitter.com/hdragomir/status/468049195505819648/photo/1
2014-05-20 17:19:20 renoirb: ... https://twitter.com/franciov/status/467999704668983297/photo/1
2014-05-20 17:22:21 renoirb: Julee: we should make sure we have community management back
2014-05-20 17:22:35 renoirb: ... to bring folks back to contributing, and it would clarify
2014-05-20 17:22:42 renoirb: ... what can be done and cannot be done in events
2014-05-20 17:22:48 renoirb: shepazu (agrees)
2014-05-20 17:23:07 renoirb: ... maybe make a spot on the front page to make aware of events
2014-05-20 17:23:19 renoirb: ... we do have a page about upcoming/past events
2014-05-20 17:23:32 renoirb: jensimmons agrees
2014-05-20 17:23:57 renoirb: julee: maybe just have a page exposed showing
2014-05-20 17:26:05 renoirb: all agreeing on:
2014-05-20 17:26:12 renoirb: - Creating a form/system to add an event
2014-05-20 17:26:19 renoirb: - Way to fetch list of upcoming events
2014-05-20 17:26:28 renoirb: - Way to display on the front page
2014-05-20 17:26:36 renoirb: - Way to send notification on the mailing list
2014-05-20 17:26:48 renoirb: shepazu: Let's not speculate on how to do but agree on what we want
2014-05-20 17:27:17 renoirb julee, jensimons, shepazu does my note makes sense ^
2014-05-20 17:28:13 renoirb: Topic: INfrastructure update
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2014-05-20 17:28:35 renoirb: shepazu: Julee and I spent some time with renoirb two weeks ago
2014-05-20 17:28:44 renoirb: ... we "kicked the tires" and it seemed to work
2014-05-20 17:29:00 renoirb: ... renoirb decided to hold off until other tasks
2014-05-20 17:29:53 renoirb: renoirb: explaiining why not making it forward
2014-05-20 17:30:05 renoirb: ... because: my current focus is about single sign on
2014-05-20 17:30:15 renoirb: ... and I cannot work on more than one issue
2014-05-20 17:31:31 renoirb: ... full time, so until it others priorities are finished
2014-05-20 17:31:40 renoirb: ... unless it breaks and cannot be fixed
2014-05-20 17:31:49 renoirb: ... we have a known issue, and how to live with it.
2014-05-20 17:32:00 renoirb: ... to keep priority on sso, unless it blocks progress
2014-05-20 17:32:18 renoirb: jensimons, shepazu: lets ask eliezerb if it blocks
2014-05-20 17:32:26 renoirb: renoirb agrees
2014-05-20 17:32:42 renoirb: concensus
2014-05-20 17:33:05 renoirb: Topic: Annotation update topic
2014-05-20 17:33:34 renoirb: shepazu: giving context about we want to have annotation and that it will be shown during next AC meeting in june
2014-05-20 17:33:55 renoirb: ... so we can demo it there
2014-05-20 17:37:12 renoirb: Topic: Monthly podcast?
2014-05-20 17:37:34 renoirb: shepazu: we’d like to have a podcast/news about "what’s new on the Web Platform"
2014-05-20 17:37:46 renoirb: ... not a competition on existing, but aggregating
2014-05-20 17:37:52 renoirb: ... about web standards in general
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2014-05-20 17:40:37 AmeliaBR: The W3C Blog kind of covers latest news in web standards: http://www.w3.org/blog/
2014-05-20 17:41:23 renoirb: ... we want to talk about the web standards stuff as a point of view of somebody already knows at least some of the backgrounds
2014-05-20 17:41:31 renoirb: ... length should not be more than 40 minutes
2014-05-20 17:41:50 renoirb: ... there could be interviews too
2014-05-20 17:41:53 Garbee: 40 minutes max? Seems a bit tight.
2014-05-20 17:42:03 renoirb: ... a person, about [a spec] that they’re doing
2014-05-20 17:42:14 renoirb: ... why should [the listener] care about it
2014-05-20 17:42:20 renoirb: ... but not competition
2014-05-20 17:43:10 renoirb: ... a little bit "insider" but not going in back story (maybe pointing to them if listener need)
2014-05-20 17:43:30 renoirb: ... audience is people who has at least some basic on the standards
2014-05-20 17:44:58 renoirb: jensimmons, can you help me capture what you were saying ^
2014-05-20 17:45:50 jensimmons: shepazu: look at https://simplecast.fm
2014-05-20 17:46:14 jensimmons: shepazu: and listen to Shop Talk show — their hot drama section
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2014-05-20 17:47:27 eliot: I just have reservations about Doug's time being spent on this cool and fun project when boring things like content and infrastructure need his attention. Not worried about Bruce or David, and the project sounds cool.
2014-05-20 17:49:52 renoirb: shepazu:... this project is not about to start before we are done with other priorities
2014-05-20 17:50:32 renoirb: ... such as: CompaTables, SSO, Flags
2014-05-20 17:51:28 renoirb: jensimmons: there are many infrastructure concerns that aren’t trival
2014-05-20 17:53:54 eliot: yep
2014-05-20 17:54:54 renoirb: Topic: Readiness Markers (^ called Flag)
2014-05-20 17:55:10 renoirb: AmeliaBR: I'm ready to do, and renoirb said that he can thandle it
2014-05-20 17:55:19 renoirb: ... hopefully we will have it done and setup by tonight
2014-05-20 17:56:04 shepazu likes "Jen's Magical Prettiness"
2014-05-20 17:56:06 renoirb notes the "Jenn’s Magical Prettyness"  —Amelia
2014-05-20 17:56:09 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=javascript/DataView&action=formedit
2014-05-20 17:57:15 renoirb: ... we should be able to roll it out, will be a simple box that says the status. Nothing will show up if nothing is set and later CSS will change that later like discussed last week
2014-05-20 17:59:01 renoirb: AmeliaBR ^
2014-05-20 17:59:47 renoirb: shepazu: We didn’t got news from Pat Tressel about it, I'm going to get news from both him and frozenice
2014-05-20 17:59:57 renoirb: ... about CompaTables
2014-05-20 18:00:14 renoirb: AmeliaBR, did I summarized correctly your point?
2014-05-20 18:00:16 renoirb: [adjourned]
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2014-05-20 18:04:41 AmeliaBR: renoirb: for the 11:57 note "we should be able to roll it out today.  Currently, status will show up in a simple note box, CSS can be added later to change it to the designs we discussed last week. (in response to question from shepazu:) Nothing currently shows up if a state isn't set, but the templates could be changed later to add a default state of "Coming Later".
2014-05-20 18:06:14 AmeliaBR: PS to renoirb:  would you like to get in the habit of having me jump in and scribe when you're talking (and vice versa if I'm scribing)?  It's always difficult to talk and write at the same time...
2014-05-20 18:07:57 AmeliaBR: * I am going to grab lunch, when I get back I'll be messing with templates on the main wiki.  I'll check in with you before I save anything
2014-05-20 18:24:35 jensimmons: http://5by5.tv/webahead/4
2014-05-20 18:28:22 renoirb: jensimmons, look at Robin's post http://berjon.com/blog/2014/01/yummy-drm.html
2014-05-20 18:28:44 renoirb: thx AmeliaBR
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2014-05-20 19:14:13 AmeliaBR: You there renoirb?
2014-05-20 19:14:25 renoirb: yes
2014-05-20 19:14:39 renoirb: you can do it on the live site, i'm there to catchup problems.
2014-05-20 19:14:41 renoirb: :)
2014-05-20 19:14:53 AmeliaBR: OK  saving now!
2014-05-20 19:15:14 renoirb: All i need is to know, so I can look at it. Because if I dont notice it I cannot fix it
2014-05-20 19:18:29 renoirb: So far 2 jobs
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2014-05-20 19:55:59 renoirb: AmeliaBR, now the jobs are kicking in!!
2014-05-20 19:56:07 renoirb: AmeliaBR, look http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json
2014-05-20 19:56:25 renoirb: In one minute it went from 600 to 4000
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2014-05-20 19:56:42 AmeliaBR: Woah boy.  But you can handle it?
2014-05-20 19:56:56 renoirb: yes, i need to kill the job, and run a maintenance script
2014-05-20 19:57:15 renoirb: Before I knew this issue, the job runner would never stop, then the next hour another would start
2014-05-20 19:57:29 renoirb: so after 7 hours, all app servers would be running and taking all database connections, killing the site
2014-05-20 19:57:40 renoirb: That's why I want to know :)
2014-05-20 19:58:29 renoirb: Before I would know it by my monitors saying the site is down. But now i make sure that only one server starts the job runner, and can only have one at a time.
2014-05-20 19:58:44 renoirb: ... So a weekend could pass without problems.
2014-05-20 19:59:37 renoirb: That's what I was talking about that we hope the update wont have problems with
2014-05-20 19:59:46 renoirb: can you do the same manipulation on the /upgrade/ namespace?
2014-05-20 19:59:55 renoirb: lets try if the upgrade will help :) AmeliaBR ^
2014-05-20 20:00:18 AmeliaBR: sure.  Let me see if I can log in there...
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2014-05-20 20:04:30 AmeliaBR: renoirb: it's not recognizing me as an admin, so I can't change the templates
2014-05-20 20:04:42 renoirb: oh, waitç
2014-05-20 20:04:46 renoirb: wait, sorry
2014-05-20 20:06:11 renoirb: right, mediawiki makes a distinction between ameliabr and AmeliaBR
2014-05-20 20:06:36 renoirb: go ahead now AmeliaBR
2014-05-20 20:06:51 AmeliaBR: ok.
2014-05-20 20:10:04 AmeliaBR: Done.  Now,you just have to wait for the next hourly update to see if it goes crazy too!
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2014-05-20 20:30:44 renoirb: AmeliaBR, running them in /upgrade/ now < http://docs.webplatform.org/u/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json
2014-05-20 20:30:47 renoirb: lets see
2014-05-20 20:31:41 renoirb: Since its a pattern that is used at many places, i'd expect a lot of jobs, but hopefully it wont explode to thouhsands
2014-05-20 20:31:49 renoirb: .. milions
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2014-05-20 20:34:09 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I guess if it ends up just as bad as the current site, then you've at least got back up for your argument that the upgrade isn't a priority and can wait until other things are ready!
2014-05-20 20:34:49 renoirb: sure! But an upgrade is always better. We are running Ubuntu 10.04 (that is end of life), MySQL 5.1 (that is end of life) ...
2014-05-20 20:34:51 renoirb: so :)
2014-05-20 20:35:53 renoirb: Whats nice so far with /upgrade/ is that it stays to the same level, it doesnt grow too much.
2014-05-20 20:35:58 AmeliaBR: Of course.  Eventually, everything on your to-do list needs to be done. But you have to decide which is more work: taking the time now to do the upgrade, or keeping an eye on the job queue anytime someone updates templates!
2014-05-20 20:43:35 renoirb: Yup. Rest assured that I want to contribute to content and/or MW infra stuff that you are doing, just that I have no time for it :/
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2014-05-20 21:22:27 renoirb: Upgrade will fix the problem!!  /o/
2014-05-20 21:22:53 renoirb: shepazu, AmeliaBR, eliezerb !!  < \o/
2014-05-20 21:23:00 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/u/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json  ^ is a proof of it
2014-05-20 21:23:24 renoirb: jobs: 0!!
2014-05-20 21:25:07 AmeliaBR: Woohoo.  So does that mean that the upgrade moves up your priority list?
2014-05-20 21:25:57 shepazu:  /o\
2014-05-20 21:27:24 renoirb: no! (doh!)
2014-05-20 21:27:56 renoirb: I will move it up with the new sso with mediawiki
2014-05-20 21:28:01 renoirb: it'll be deployed together
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2014-05-21 20:24:51 shepazu: frozenice, yt?
2014-05-21 20:24:56 frozenice: hi!
2014-05-21 20:25:01 shepazu: whoah!
2014-05-21 20:25:07 shepazu: fast response
2014-05-21 20:25:19 frozenice: working on the irc bot :)
2014-05-21 20:25:19 shepazu: now I don't recall what I wanted to say… jk
2014-05-21 20:25:36 frozenice: it's about MDN, I imagine
2014-05-21 20:25:41 shepazu: frozenice, any chance you could help with the MDN crawling/scraping?
2014-05-21 20:26:19 shepazu: Pat seems to be busy lately, or maybe I'm just confused
2014-05-21 20:26:42 shepazu: in any case, I'm stressing out about the compat-table stuff
2014-05-21 20:27:23 shepazu: and from what I understood, you had some of the scrape-bot stuff working already
2014-05-21 20:27:32 shepazu: in your NodeJS thingie
2014-05-21 20:28:03 frozenice: yeah that works, it fetches feeds from some tags (HTML, HTML5, CSS, etc.) but it can only get 500 pages or so from those feeds, that was the problem
2014-05-21 20:28:53 shepazu: frozenice, any way around that?
2014-05-21 20:29:38 frozenice: none that I saw, we somehow need to get us a list of all the pages, then the bot can run with that and pick out the compat tables from each page
2014-05-21 20:30:19 frozenice: I just did the feed stuff to get a pool of useful pages
2014-05-21 20:30:29 shepazu: frozenice, that's the crawler aspect, right?
2014-05-21 20:30:42 shepazu: surely there's a node crawler out there...
2014-05-21 20:30:43 frozenice: well, kinda
2014-05-21 20:31:05 frozenice: we just need a list of pages, the thing can do the rest :)
2014-05-21 20:31:26 frozenice: maybe MDN has one, in a sitemap or something
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2014-05-21 20:31:47 shepazu: frozenice, I'm sure they do
2014-05-21 20:32:07 shepazu: frozenice, if I collect the list of pages, will your scraper do the rest?
2014-05-21 20:32:13 frozenice: yup
2014-05-21 20:32:43 frozenice: the "getting a list of pages" is just one step, we can change how it gets that list
2014-05-21 20:32:57 shepazu: frozenice, ok, I'll get on that
2014-05-21 20:33:02 frozenice: neat
2014-05-21 20:33:46 frozenice: btw, I started working on the irc bot again yesterday, making progress :)
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2014-05-21 20:34:08 shepazu: frozenice, what will it do?
2014-05-21 20:34:12 frozenice: everything!
2014-05-21 20:34:18 shepazu: and what specific part are you working on?
2014-05-21 20:34:22 frozenice: everything!
2014-05-21 20:34:34 shepazu: everything? good, I could use someone to help clean up my house
2014-05-21 20:34:51 frozenice: your house is no part of the bot :P
2014-05-21 20:35:18 frozenice: unless someone would write a plugin...
2014-05-21 20:35:38 shepazu: frozenice, one thing I'd like it to do is make tidy transcripts from meeting minutes
2014-05-21 20:35:46 shepazu: and record actions
2014-05-21 20:35:57 frozenice: yeah, I got some ideas for plugins, too
2014-05-21 20:36:16 frozenice: the current bot (old code) has some of those
2014-05-21 20:38:15 frozenice: the core seems pretty finished for the time being, I'm putting together the actual bot we will use, adding some plugins (like watching for wiki changes), testing the whole plugin system etc.
2014-05-21 20:41:42 frozenice: I've been kinda absent, because a colleague / friend suddenly passed away two weeks ago, that sucked very much... but the irc bot is good for getting back to work
2014-05-21 20:45:43 shepazu: oh, wow, sorry to hear that!
2014-05-21 20:45:50 shepazu: that's terrible.
2014-05-21 20:48:29 frozenice: yeah, my job got a bit stressier, but we'll manage, the show must go on :)
2014-05-21 20:49:10 frozenice: stressier = more stressful
2014-05-21 20:49:37 frozenice: I claim that word
2014-05-21 20:51:24 shepazu: can I rent that word from you?
2014-05-21 20:51:46 frozenice: only if you don't pay me!
2014-05-21 20:56:07 frozenice: well, let's see how far I can get the bot this week.
2014-05-21 20:57:25 shepazu: frozenice, ok, I have a list of all the CSS property pages that we want… I can do the same for HTML, SVG, etc.
2014-05-21 20:57:26 ptressel: Hi, shepazu
2014-05-21 20:57:31 shepazu: is that really all we need?
2014-05-21 20:57:36 shepazu: hi, ptressel!
2014-05-21 20:58:24 ptressel: I had windows of time to work on scrapng -- another will open up starting today.
2014-05-21 20:58:37 shepazu: ptressel, ok, great
2014-05-21 20:59:01 shepazu: ptressel, I'm not sure we actually need to scrape, based on what frozenice said… confirming now
2014-05-21 20:59:21 shepazu: or rather, we don't need to crawl, sorry
2014-05-21 20:59:41 ptressel: Ok
2014-05-21 21:00:10 frozenice: shepazu: cool!
2014-05-21 21:00:17 frozenice: hi ptressel :)
2014-05-21 21:00:47 frozenice: yep, a list of pages should be enough
2014-05-21 21:01:00 ptressel: Ok, I'm totally confused now.
2014-05-21 21:01:01 shepazu: well, shucks, I can do that tonight
2014-05-21 21:01:08 ptressel: Just read the chat backlog.
2014-05-21 21:01:30 ptressel: The issue was that the tag lists cut off at a fixed number.
2014-05-21 21:01:38 frozenice: correct
2014-05-21 21:01:47 ptressel: So the point of crawling was to get around that.
2014-05-21 21:02:02 ptressel: Yes, there are node.js crawler libraries.
2014-05-21 21:02:16 ptressel: We got stuck on nutch for a while.
2014-05-21 21:02:25 shepazu: ptressel, yeah, but their topic index pages have the full list of pages we want :) https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference
2014-05-21 21:02:38 ptressel: Yes, those are the seed pages.
2014-05-21 21:02:48 ptressel: The point of the crawler is that it fetches them.
2014-05-21 21:02:51 shepazu: renoirb and I just "scraped" all the URLs for that
2014-05-21 21:02:56 ptressel: I have the list of seed pages.
2014-05-21 21:03:11 shepazu: ptressel, yeah, isn't that what frozenice's script does?
2014-05-21 21:03:20 shepazu: maybe I'm confused
2014-05-21 21:03:38 ptressel: If that's different from what's in the node.js work, then I don't know.
2014-05-21 21:03:46 ptressel: The *tag* request is different.
2014-05-21 21:04:17 ptressel: That is a specific MDN query that returns a fixed max number of pages having a particular tag.
2014-05-21 21:04:51 frozenice: yeah the getting a page list via the tag-feeds was my way to get us started on some useful pages
2014-05-21 21:05:36 frozenice: we can change the importer, so it pulls the page list from elsewhere
2014-05-21 21:05:37 ptressel: Anyhow, I'm going to a meetup tonight where there is a node.js expert.
2014-05-21 21:05:44 frozenice: nice
2014-05-21 21:05:54 ptressel: But if this is done, then I'll work on something else.
2014-05-21 21:06:09 ptressel: So...done? or not done?
2014-05-21 21:06:09 shepazu: ptressel, frozenice, I want to make sure I'm not confused
2014-05-21 21:06:21 ptressel: I'm totally confused at the moment.
2014-05-21 21:06:24 frozenice: :D
2014-05-21 21:06:29 shepazu: yay! me too!
2014-05-21 21:06:29 ptressel: :P
2014-05-21 21:06:50 shepazu: ptressel, don't worry, there's plenty more you could do, if you want :)
2014-05-21 21:07:05 shepazu: frozenice, ok, sorry to be pedantic...
2014-05-21 21:07:13 shepazu: but just to confirm:
2014-05-21 21:07:23 ptressel: shepazu has another confusion:  We've met at the TTWF event in Seattle.  I'm a "she" not a "he".
2014-05-21 21:07:29 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:07:34 frozenice: that has also confused me.
2014-05-21 21:07:37 ptressel: The Pat is for Patricia
2014-05-21 21:07:42 shepazu: gah!!!!!
2014-05-21 21:07:46 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:07:55 frozenice: I always get bad luck on names which can be both :P
2014-05-21 21:08:05 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:08:31 shepazu: ptressel, I have a sister named Pat, that's why I was confused… I understand now that frozenice is a woman, despite the name "David"
2014-05-21 21:08:40 frozenice: wat
2014-05-21 21:08:44 shepazu: now we're all clear, sorry
2014-05-21 21:08:46 frozenice: that would be news to me
2014-05-21 21:09:02 frozenice: the confusion seems to be spreading
2014-05-21 21:09:18 shepazu: frozenice, ok...
2014-05-21 21:09:51 shepazu: 1) the reason we weren't getting all the pages was that we didn't have a complete list of pages to scrape
2014-05-21 21:10:16 shepazu: 2) if we have a full list of content pages, we can extract the compat tables from each of them with your script
2014-05-21 21:10:29 shepazu: 3) ptressel has the complete list of pages we want
2014-05-21 21:10:29 ptressel: What's the script?
2014-05-21 21:10:43 ptressel: No, getting the pages is what the crawl is for.
2014-05-21 21:11:00 shepazu: 4) frozenice is male, ptressel is female, shepazu is male and confused
2014-05-21 21:11:12 shepazu: the script is the nodejs thingie
2014-05-21 21:11:14 ptressel: What I have are the seed pages -- those are the tables of contents you mentioned, plus a few obscure ones.
2014-05-21 21:11:17 ptressel: Ok
2014-05-21 21:11:48 shepazu: ptressel, I think the seed pages contain all the URLs we want
2014-05-21 21:11:53 ptressel: The nice thing about a real crawler is that it doesn't annoy their sysadmins.
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2014-05-21 21:12:07 frozenice: I have proof for 4) https://www.flickr.com/photos/szene/8459312560/in/set-72157632724112919 directly under the 'W'
2014-05-21 21:12:10 ptressel: It obeys robots.txt, doesn't fetch too rapidly, etc.
2014-05-21 21:12:21 shepazu: ptressel, you want to send me your list of seed pages?
2014-05-21 21:12:38 ptressel: Let me dig them out...
2014-05-21 21:13:19 shepazu: ptressel, that just proves you have long hair, I've had long hair!
2014-05-21 21:13:50 shepazu: heck, look at the bearded weirdo next to you, he has longer hair than you!
2014-05-21 21:14:26 frozenice: wtf are you talking about shepazu :D
2014-05-21 21:14:31 shepazu: ptressel, sorry I didn't remember you, I'm bad with names
2014-05-21 21:14:51 shepazu: frozenice, I think I might not be sure anymore
2014-05-21 21:15:28 frozenice: you know that's jswisher in the center of that photo, right?
2014-05-21 21:15:50 shepazu: yes, and Chris Mills to the right
2014-05-21 21:16:00 frozenice: yes
2014-05-21 21:16:01 shepazu: and ptressel the the left, IIUI
2014-05-21 21:16:15 frozenice: no
2014-05-21 21:16:16 shepazu: with her back turned
2014-05-21 21:16:29 shepazu: oh… she said "under the W"
2014-05-21 21:16:33 frozenice: I SAID THIS :D
2014-05-21 21:16:42 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:16:43 shepazu: wtf????
2014-05-21 21:16:57 shepazu: I am going blind and insane
2014-05-21 21:16:57 ptressel: "He said this"
2014-05-21 21:17:20 frozenice: on Janet's right is Flo (also from MDN, with orange lanyard) and to his right it's me, under the 'W'
2014-05-21 21:17:22 shepazu: I think I might need to stop drinking so much petroleum
2014-05-21 21:17:32 frozenice: or drink more
2014-05-21 21:17:37 shepazu: at least on work days
2014-05-21 21:18:09 ptressel: Seed pages: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7499120/
2014-05-21 21:18:16 shepazu: frozenice, you are 2 down from Janet?
2014-05-21 21:18:25 frozenice: yeah, with orange lanyard
2014-05-21 21:18:32 ptressel: The short list at the top is good enough for a depth 2 or 3 crawl.
2014-05-21 21:18:43 frozenice: inbetween me an Janet is Florian Scholz
2014-05-21 21:19:01 shepazu: you look male, true, and I'm willing to take your word for it… but I don't consider that photo proof, you're covering your face
2014-05-21 21:19:23 frozenice: it's a fact and that should clear up article 4) subsection 1. :)
2014-05-21 21:19:41 shepazu: but I'm not judgmental, you can be whatever sex you want
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2014-05-21 21:19:54 ptressel: I'm not in that pic.
2014-05-21 21:20:06 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:20:28 ptressel: So there's no evidence there re my gender.  ;-)
2014-05-21 21:20:41 frozenice: the girl in purple is User:Vivienne, IIRC
2014-05-21 21:21:06 frozenice: uhm, what I was actually wanting to say
2014-05-21 21:21:38 frozenice: the CSS/Reference page is maybe a good start, but as ptressel said there are some weird pages, which could be discovered through crawling
2014-05-21 21:22:19 shepazu: frozenice, would this be a reasonable start?
2014-05-21 21:22:20 shepazu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7499135/
2014-05-21 21:22:46 frozenice: spotted 2 external links
2014-05-21 21:22:57 shepazu: frozenice, yeah, minus those and a few others
2014-05-21 21:23:14 frozenice: it's good for a start, yeah
2014-05-21 21:23:27 frozenice: I wonder how many of those <500 we already have :)
2014-05-21 21:23:29 shepazu: frozenice, and who knows how to run your script?
2014-05-21 21:23:47 ptressel: Some of those urls are dups with fragments
2014-05-21 21:23:50 frozenice: there was a thread in the ML, I believe
2014-05-21 21:25:39 frozenice: shepazu: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jan/0030.html
2014-05-21 21:26:24 frozenice: the README in https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer has some more instructions
2014-05-21 21:27:45 ptressel: There are changes since the last version I pulled, I think.
2014-05-21 21:28:00 shepazu: ok
2014-05-21 21:28:12 frozenice: renoirb has done some work on the conversion and some meta-stuff
2014-05-21 21:28:19 shepazu: yeah
2014-05-21 21:28:33 shepazu: ok, here's my plan
2014-05-21 21:28:50 shepazu: I'm going to find all the pages we want (or at least most of them)
2014-05-21 21:29:05 shepazu: using ptressel's seed pages to inform that list
2014-05-21 21:29:12 shepazu: I'll make a master list
2014-05-21 21:29:18 ptressel: You're gong to crawl by hand?  :D
2014-05-21 21:29:32 shepazu: then compare those pages to the ones we already got results for
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2014-05-21 21:29:42 shepazu: and remove the dupes
2014-05-21 21:30:15 shepazu: ptressel, it will take me less time to do it by hand than to write a script for it and execute it
2014-05-21 21:31:16 shepazu: frozenice, once I have that list, we'll run it against MDN
2014-05-21 21:31:27 shepazu: and convert the results
2014-05-21 21:31:34 shepazu: then whammo, we're done
2014-05-21 21:31:39 frozenice: we will feed that list to the importer, yes
2014-05-21 21:31:46 shepazu: we only need to do this once
2014-05-21 21:31:55 shepazu: we don't need a repeatable process
2014-05-21 21:33:08 ptressel: Don't we need to repeat this at wossname?
2014-05-21 21:33:17 ptressel: Other site...
2014-05-21 21:33:45 shepazu: ptressel, quirksmode? caniuse?
2014-05-21 21:34:18 shepazu: caniuse.com already has a json feed of its results available
2014-05-21 21:34:21 ptressel: Ah, right, caniuse
2014-05-21 21:35:21 shepazu: ptressel, so, we don't need to scrape it
2014-05-21 21:36:31 frozenice: I think we only need to get rid of https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/index.js#L25 and put the master list into reader.links instead
2014-05-21 21:38:09 shepazu: OK
2014-05-21 21:38:53 frozenice: whoever coded that thing did a fine job of separating the tasks :D
2014-05-21 21:41:00 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:43:30 ptressel: shepazu, That list is for CSS. What about others?
2014-05-21 21:44:08 shepazu: ptressel, I've gathered HTML attributes and elements so far, as well
2014-05-21 21:44:12 shepazu: working on the others
2014-05-21 21:44:25 shepazu: frozenice, if you do say so yourself?
2014-05-21 21:44:56 frozenice: well, I recognize good code when I see it!
2014-05-21 21:45:07 ptressel: :D
2014-05-21 21:45:50 frozenice: (is "it" right here? sounds kinda wrong)
2014-05-21 21:46:29 shepazu: frozenice, yup, "it" is correct
2014-05-21 21:46:30 ptressel: Heading toward gender confusion again?  :D
2014-05-21 21:46:42 frozenice: :P
2014-05-21 21:46:43 shepazu: das ist in ordenung
2014-05-21 21:46:59 frozenice: hehe, almost perfect ("ordnung")
2014-05-21 21:47:36 shepazu: gah!
2014-05-21 21:48:33 shepazu: ich habe für drei jahre deutsch gelernt, aber ich has alles vergessen
2014-05-21 21:48:59 frozenice: not bad ("habe") :)
2014-05-21 21:49:12 shepazu: oh, yeah
2014-05-21 21:49:20 frozenice: denglish
2014-05-21 21:49:29 shepazu: doch
2014-05-21 21:49:46 shepazu: or should I say, do'ch!
2014-05-21 21:49:55 frozenice: :D
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2014-05-21 21:52:09 ptressel: Ok, so just to be clear...  I don't need to do anything else?  I should not add the crawler module to frozenice's code?
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2014-05-21 21:53:09 frozenice: I'd say if you want to do a crawler, do it as a separate project, so you are free in choice of modules etc., if it spits out a list of pages, we could use that
2014-05-21 21:54:40 ptressel: Generally the crawler fetches the pages too.
2014-05-21 21:55:30 frozenice: hm indeed, maybe if it also parses out the compatibility HTML
2014-05-21 21:55:32 ptressel: It's not a matter of "want"...I'm asking what needs to be done.
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2014-05-21 21:56:20 ptressel: Typical crawlers hand off to an indexer for parsing, except for extracting links to follow.
2014-05-21 21:56:36 ptressel: E.g. nutch hands off to lucene and solr for indexing and serving
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2014-05-21 22:00:41 frozenice: I guess the crucial part is getting a good list of pages
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2014-05-21 22:02:56 ptressel: The thing is...there is a "chicken and egg" issue.  We don't know which pages have compat info until we fetch and parse the pages.
2014-05-21 22:03:24 ptressel: So we can make lists up front all we want, but only fetching determines which pages we actually want.
2014-05-21 22:04:25 frozenice: the crawler could visit all pages and compile a list, I personally don't care if the importer visits these pages again, we just let it run for a while :)
2014-05-21 22:06:08 ptressel: As I say, we could get lists, but we won't know which have compat tables.
2014-05-21 22:06:23 frozenice: the importer will figure that out
2014-05-21 22:06:50 ptressel: There's a feedback loop for fetching, e.g. stop when we haven't gotten any new compat tables for N levels of crawl.
2014-05-21 22:06:59 frozenice: it does that now, too, as not every page in the feeds has a compat table
2014-05-21 22:07:13 ptressel: I'm talking about finding the pages
2014-05-21 22:07:17 shepazu: ptressel, yeah, I don't think we need to have a crawler anymore
2014-05-21 22:07:22 ptressel: Ok
2014-05-21 22:07:35 shepazu: because we don't actually know what pages we want, besides the usual suspects
2014-05-21 22:07:42 ptressel: Uh
2014-05-21 22:07:57 ptressel: That's exactly what we would want the crawler for.
2014-05-21 22:07:58 shepazu: that is, we can't automate that task
2014-05-21 22:08:03 ptressel: Yes we can
2014-05-21 22:08:07 frozenice: :D
2014-05-21 22:08:13 ptressel: [15:06]	ptressel	There's a feedback loop for fetching, e.g. stop when we haven't gotten any new compat tables for N levels of crawl.
2014-05-21 22:08:26 shepazu: I mean, we could crawl the whole site to see which pages have compat tables
2014-05-21 22:08:29 shepazu: obviously
2014-05-21 22:08:35 ptressel: ^^^
2014-05-21 22:08:56 shepazu: but I don't think we need that data to complete phase 1 of our main task
2014-05-21 22:09:48 shepazu: ptressel, but if you're keen to help with something else, I'm sure we can find a task for you!
2014-05-21 22:10:04 ptressel: Ok, so no crawler.
2014-05-21 22:10:19 ptressel: I've promised to work on JOSM next.
2014-05-21 22:10:29 ptressel: (Java OpenStreetMap editor)
2014-05-21 22:10:41 frozenice: ugh, Java :D
2014-05-21 22:10:56 shepazu: oh, cool!
2014-05-21 22:10:59 ptressel: Fine language -- the only safe language in common use.
2014-05-21 22:11:14 shepazu: well, I mean, obviously, ugh, Java, but yay! OSM!
2014-05-21 22:11:23 frozenice: yeah, our CMS at work is in Java
2014-05-21 22:12:13 shepazu: ptressel, are you the person who I talked to about the various OS projects, in Seattle?
2014-05-21 22:12:25 ptressel: Probably ;-)
2014-05-21 22:12:29 shepazu: FOSS, that is
2014-05-21 22:13:58 shepazu: something about emergency management, perhaps?
2014-05-21 22:14:46 shepazu: if so, I remember you now :)
2014-05-21 22:14:48 frozenice: ok then, I'll wait for the master list from shepazu and get some sleep and my job done in the meantime, glad we could clear up some confusion and I hope ptressel will stick around nonetheless :)
2014-05-21 22:14:59 shepazu: frozenice, I think I have v1 of the master list
2014-05-21 22:15:18 frozenice: but teh sleep :<
2014-05-21 22:15:31 shepazu: frozenice, yes, yes, teh sleeps!
2014-05-21 22:15:43 shepazu: this can wait until days to come
2014-05-21 22:15:55 shepazu: I was just letting you know
2014-05-21 22:16:02 frozenice: tomorrow it is, probably
2014-05-21 22:16:06 shepazu: what format should it be in? is a simple list okay?
2014-05-21 22:16:15 frozenice: yeah I think so
2014-05-21 22:16:15 shepazu: can it have comments?
2014-05-21 22:16:25 frozenice: it can
2014-05-21 22:16:40 frozenice: I'll just ignore the lines starting with '#' or whatever
2014-05-21 22:16:44 shepazu: ok
2014-05-21 22:17:16 frozenice: nn!
2014-05-21 22:17:38 shepazu: nn!
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2014-05-22 16:30:57 frozenice: shepazu: after removing dups, 1418 URLs remain :)
2014-05-22 16:31:53 shepazu: frozenice, you're a-maz-ing!
2014-05-22 16:32:05 frozenice: running now, could take a while
2014-05-22 16:32:21 shepazu: holy cow, I didn't expect you to do it yourself, thanks!
2014-05-22 16:33:01 shepazu: renoirb, frozenice is running the URLs with the importer script
2014-05-22 16:33:31 shepazu: frozenice, I assume you're running the latest version that renoirb did? will this also massage the output like he did?
2014-05-22 16:33:48 frozenice: yeah I pulled the newest version from the repo beforehand :)
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2014-05-22 16:34:41 shepazu: frozenice, and when you say dupes, do you mean dupes within the file I sent, or does that include dupes from data we collected before?
2014-05-22 16:34:53 frozenice: just duplicate URLs in your file
2014-05-22 16:35:04 shepazu: I should have done that, sorry
2014-05-22 16:35:12 shepazu: it was just my first pass
2014-05-22 16:35:16 frozenice: np, the script does not care :D
2014-05-22 16:36:12 frozenice: I'll push the new version with new cache and output when it's done running
2014-05-22 16:36:25 frozenice: hopefully there'll be no error and I need to run it again :)
2014-05-22 16:36:35 shepazu: hot dog!
2014-05-22 16:38:53 shepazu: frozenice, if you ever happen to be bored, I have a regex puzzle :)
2014-05-22 16:39:00 shepazu: not related to WPD
2014-05-22 16:39:08 frozenice: shoot
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2014-05-22 16:39:40 frozenice: regex is fun :)
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2014-05-22 16:39:51 shepazu: frozenice, I thought you'd say that
2014-05-22 16:40:17 shepazu: frozenice, I have a custom URL parameter syntax that I want to split into its constituent parts
2014-05-22 16:40:36 shepazu: I do it now with a hack
2014-05-22 16:40:54 shepazu: but it would be nice to have an elegant regex for the task
2014-05-22 16:41:06 shepazu: so, basically, a regex parser
2014-05-22 16:41:31 frozenice: need some sample input and output data!
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2014-05-22 16:48:47 shepazu: frozenice, and now, of course, it doesn't work on my server (as opposed to locally), so I have to debug
2014-05-22 16:48:56 frozenice: :)
2014-05-22 16:53:04 shepazu: frozenice, and now, mysteriously, it does work.
2014-05-22 16:53:08 shepazu: http://schepers.cc/svg/svgeodata/svgeodata.html
2014-05-22 16:53:35 shepazu: frozenice, please keep in mind that this is something I hacked together in 5 hours last night
2014-05-22 16:53:40 shepazu: so, it's really ugly
2014-05-22 16:54:15 frozenice: neat, what do you want to parse
2014-05-22 16:55:59 shepazu: #map?svg(target-id:map;)polyline(marker-end:url(%23svgeodata-arrow);){215,117,83,168,159,301,372,221,402,272,386,279}}&svg(target-id:house;){rect{x:10;y:15;width:42;height:23}}
2014-05-22 16:56:30 shepazu: and it should form an array that looks like this:
2014-05-22 16:56:46 shepazu: no, wait
2014-05-22 16:57:10 frozenice: explain yourself :D I'll grab a bite and read your confusion when I'm back
2014-05-22 16:57:26 shepazu: frozenice, yup
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2014-05-22 17:03:34 renoirb: We are having another instance of synchronicity
2014-05-22 17:04:17 renoirb: The fxa project lead (ckarlof) says I can use their current master for all projects
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2014-05-22 17:04:45 renoirb: that's perfect because my concern until now was from which commit/branch/tag to use.
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2014-05-22 17:14:09 shepazu: renoirb, I'm being dense, can you dumb that down for me?
2014-05-22 17:14:35 renoirb: I was coding on top of their living code shepazu
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2014-05-22 17:15:16 renoirb: But to deploy, I needed to know which version to use. It had confusion on which version of which to use because fixes were mixed with feature
2014-05-22 17:16:02 renoirb: So now, I'm taking a snapshot of their code that is in a comfortable state for us, their master is now in sync with the oauth branch.... which is what we need.
2014-05-22 17:16:59 shepazu: renoirb, ok, great, thanks for explaining
2014-05-22 17:17:06 shepazu: sorry I'm so dense sometimes
2014-05-22 17:17:12 renoirb: that's ok!
2014-05-22 17:17:26 shepazu: frozenice, http://schepers.cc/svg/svgeodata/svgeodata.html#regex
2014-05-22 17:17:58 shepazu: renoirb, when you want to take a break, you could look at my latest side project :P
2014-05-22 17:18:08 shepazu: I needed this for annotations
2014-05-22 17:18:09 renoirb: I cannot deploy a successful set of software without knowing which versions of the components we are installing. Otherwise things might break because componentA might expect something from componentB and it isn’t aware of it.
2014-05-22 17:18:18 shepazu: s/need/want/
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2014-05-22 17:18:55 renoirb: s/isn’t aware of/doesn’t have the code to support/
2014-05-22 17:19:20 shepazu: renoirb, makes sense
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2014-05-22 17:22:18 frozenice: re, let's see what shepazu put together there... :)
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2014-05-22 17:24:05 frozenice: many brackets
2014-05-22 17:27:54 shepazu: frozenice, so brackets, such array. wow!
2014-05-22 17:28:21 frozenice: very indentation
2014-05-22 17:28:45 shepazu: frozenice, it doesn't need to be a single regex that does that, that's just an idealized form
2014-05-22 17:29:07 shepazu: it can actually be broken up into each hierarchy level, really
2014-05-22 17:29:30 shepazu: so, start from the element level, I'd say
2014-05-22 17:29:35 frozenice: let's see!
2014-05-22 17:33:40 frozenice: shepazu: you are missing a { after svg(target-id:map;)
2014-05-22 17:33:56 shepazu: unpossible!
2014-05-22 17:35:00 frozenice: :)
2014-05-22 17:35:03 shepazu: frozenice, you obviously loaded the page wrong, reload
2014-05-22 17:35:12 frozenice: already did
2014-05-22 17:35:20 frozenice: hence the smiley
2014-05-22 17:36:36 shepazu: brb
2014-05-22 17:41:00 frozenice: ah, the importer is finished, out of those 1418 pages it found 698 pages with compat tables, that sounds... low
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2014-05-22 17:43:35 shepazu: frozenice, yeah… why would that be?
2014-05-22 17:44:16 frozenice: either they changed the id of the compat table sections for several pages or there are really none
2014-05-22 17:44:39 shepazu: frozenice, let's look at a sample of false negatives
2014-05-22 17:45:03 frozenice: the script checks for: section.id.toLowerCase() === 'browser_compatibility'
2014-05-22 17:45:46 shepazu: it would be so odd if their CMS weren't consistent about that
2014-05-22 17:46:32 frozenice: it wasn't back then :P that's why I had to take the extra step of finding out, what the actual id is (they varied in casing)
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2014-05-22 18:01:41 shepazu: frozenice, any way you can give me the list of false positives?
2014-05-22 18:01:46 frozenice: hmm
2014-05-22 18:01:53 shepazu: or are you looking at it?
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2014-05-22 18:10:13 frozenice: shepazu: http://wpd.privatepaste.com/8f839cf125
2014-05-22 18:11:55 shepazu: frozenice, first one I tried has a compat table https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLBaseElement
2014-05-22 18:12:26 frozenice: well duh, I put both lists in, see the headlines :P
2014-05-22 18:12:43 shepazu: oh
2014-05-22 18:13:28 frozenice: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/IndexedDB is actually a redirect to IndexedDB_API
2014-05-22 18:13:34 frozenice: so I guess redirects are a problem
2014-05-22 18:14:00 shepazu: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:fullscreen
2014-05-22 18:14:09 shepazu: has a compat table
2014-05-22 18:14:25 ink|off|ZNC: part
2014-05-22 18:14:49 frozenice: yeah, with id="Specification"
2014-05-22 18:15:03 shepazu: <h2 id="Specification" name="Specification">Browser compatibility</h2>
2014-05-22 18:15:06 shepazu: ffs
2014-05-22 18:15:40 shepazu: as opposed to <h2 id="Specifications">Specifications</h2>
2014-05-22 18:15:54 frozenice: aye
2014-05-22 18:15:56 shepazu: that's a bug :)
2014-05-22 18:16:18 shepazu: frozenice, should be easy to grab, though, right?
2014-05-22 18:16:22 frozenice: maybe we should also check innerText for "browser compatibility"
2014-05-22 18:16:34 frozenice: instead of just comparing the id of the h2
2014-05-22 18:16:48 frozenice: guess so, the redirects are another problem, though
2014-05-22 18:19:06 frozenice: ok, the check is now: section.id.toLowerCase() === 'browser_compatibility' || section.title.toLowerCase() === 'browser compatibility'
2014-05-22 18:19:25 frozenice: which is tested against data from https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:fullscreen$json
2014-05-22 18:20:37 shepazu: frozenice, let's not worry about the redirects for now
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2014-05-22 18:22:12 frozenice: yeah those seem to be nasty, no indication of a redirect in https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/IndexedDB$json
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2014-05-22 18:24:51 frozenice: guess I'd need to HEAD the actual article url to find out if it's a redirect
2014-05-22 18:25:02 frozenice: well, let's run this again with the modified check.
2014-05-22 18:26:16 frozenice: that should give me time for the regex :)
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2014-05-22 19:11:16 frozenice: shepazu: why did you put the lowest levels into an array? shouldn't ["svg"] just be "svg"?
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2014-05-22 19:12:28 shepazu: frozenice, sure
2014-05-22 19:12:40 shepazu: my bad
2014-05-22 19:12:54 frozenice: ok, try this :) http://jsfiddle.net/w4uEQ/
2014-05-22 19:13:24 frozenice: kinda strict matching (e.g. no whitespace)
2014-05-22 19:14:18 frozenice: haven't tried other examples
2014-05-22 19:14:51 frozenice: another sneaky page update by shepazu :)
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2014-05-22 19:17:16 shepazu: frozenice, sweet!
2014-05-22 19:18:38 frozenice: the code should even be readable
2014-05-22 19:18:45 shepazu: thanks!
2014-05-22 19:18:53 frozenice: no problemo
2014-05-22 19:19:06 frozenice: let me know if something doesn't work, did no QA :D
2014-05-22 19:19:40 shepazu: frozenice, will do
2014-05-22 19:20:10 shepazu: it's more code than I was expecting, I was really just looking for a regex
2014-05-22 19:20:36 frozenice: well, it's easier this way
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2014-05-22 19:21:03 shepazu: I think this would have done… .match(/([\w-]+)(\([^{]*\))?({[^}]*})/g);
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2014-05-22 19:22:14 frozenice: maybe I'll do a v2 :p
2014-05-22 19:22:36 frozenice: the importer is still running...
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2014-05-22 19:26:57 frozenice: I guess you would run into problems balancing the curly braces
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2014-05-22 19:42:42 frozenice: hehe, shepazu: the count of pages with compat tables went up to 700, an increase of two whole pages!!
2014-05-22 19:43:32 shepazu: ffs.
2014-05-22 19:43:55 frozenice: new stats: http://wpd.privatepaste.com/download/4afb98edec
2014-05-22 19:44:19 frozenice: :fullscreen and span made it :)
2014-05-22 19:46:39 frozenice: some links are dead, like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/blend-mode
2014-05-22 19:46:59 frozenice: many, in fact
2014-05-22 19:47:29 shepazu: frozenice, can we collect a list of all the dead links?
2014-05-22 19:48:03 shepazu: frozenice, so far, I haven't found one of those pages that actually does have a compat table
2014-05-22 19:49:17 shepazu: frozenice, maybe they really don't have compat tables!
2014-05-22 19:49:23 frozenice: yeah
2014-05-22 19:49:28 shepazu: I'll walk through them tonight
2014-05-22 19:49:47 frozenice: ok
2014-05-22 19:49:55 frozenice: I have no list of 404 links
2014-05-22 19:49:59 frozenice: just tried some
2014-05-22 19:50:27 shepazu: frozenice, if there are dead links, then those are perhaps pages that WPD should focus on, since that means there isn't proper documentation for those topics
2014-05-22 19:50:41 shepazu: frozenice, yeah, I'll compile a list of 404s
2014-05-22 19:50:47 frozenice: how did those links into the master list?
2014-05-22 19:50:50 frozenice: +got
2014-05-22 19:50:57 shepazu: when I'm walking through them
2014-05-22 19:50:59 frozenice: *get
2014-05-22 19:51:09 shepazu: frozenice, there were in their index pages
2014-05-22 19:51:14 shepazu: they
2014-05-22 19:51:16 frozenice: ok
2014-05-22 19:51:25 shepazu: some of them were redlined
2014-05-22 19:53:54 shepazu: frozenice, where will you park the data?
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2014-05-22 19:54:16 frozenice: just pushed to https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer
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2014-05-22 19:55:09 shepazu: frozenice, sweet, thanks
2014-05-22 19:55:30 shepazu: frozenice, interesting https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/ul does not have a compat table, but https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/li does
2014-05-22 19:56:00 frozenice: li is on the success list
2014-05-22 19:58:42 shepazu: frozenice, yeah, that's what I mean… some items that are very similar aren't consistent with compat info
2014-05-22 19:58:51 shepazu: … coverage
2014-05-22 19:58:56 frozenice: aye
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2014-05-27 16:41:26 RJ45: Over the past month, I'veb got accustomed to Apache, but since my webserver is a Raspberry Pi, I've been considering migrating to Lighttpd, if I did so would I notice much difference in load?, and is it similar to Apache?
2014-05-27 16:45:32 RJ45: my website is mostly just HTML and CSS, the only PHP I have is my Glype Proxy, the stuff that concerns me the most is: does Lighttpd have .htaccess and .htpasswd?, is it easy to to HTTPS working with Lighttpd?, can I use my own custom error pages like with Apache?, and can I style the directory listing like I can with Apache?
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2014-05-27 16:47:03 frozenice: this surely isn't the right channel for those kind of questions :)
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2014-05-27 16:51:54 RJ45: frozenice: #webplatform ..sounds right to me :/
2014-05-27 16:52:45 frozenice: yeah it might a bit misleading, see the topic: "The community behind webplatform.org"
2014-05-27 16:52:48 RJ45: Apache and Lighttpd are servers, a type of server could also be called a 'platform' no?
2014-05-27 16:53:13 RJ45: hmm
2014-05-27 16:54:02 RJ45: frozenice: recommend a chan?
2014-05-27 16:54:19 frozenice: #web is a pretty general channel maybe there's also #apache or #lighthttpd
2014-05-27 16:54:39 RJ45: 'k thx
2014-05-27 16:54:46 frozenice: np
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2014-05-27 17:03:25 AmeliaBR: scribenick:AmeliaBR
2014-05-27 17:03:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu chairing:
2014-05-27 17:03:52 AmeliaBR: Topic 1: Renoirb' SSO project
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2014-05-27 17:04:37 AmeliaBR: shepazu: renoirb will be sending out an email, should create a single sign on system to combine annotation system with main wiki sign-on
2014-05-27 17:05:08 AmeliaBR: ..."we seem like we're in a pretty good shape on annotations" renoirb was working all weekend
2014-05-27 17:05:31 renoirb: Note: Any wiki that is configured as a client to our OAuth Resource server (test wiki will be able to use it too)
2014-05-27 17:05:39 AmeliaBR: julee: to confirm, we'll need to update accounts?
2014-05-27 17:06:06 AmeliaBR: shepazu: just passwords will be updated, all account data will be transferred
2014-05-27 17:07:30 AmeliaBR: ...once this gets rolled out, there is a second system called Firefox Profiles; this is all piggy-backing on work being done within Mozilla, they're pretty far along but still working
2014-05-27 17:08:17 AmeliaBR: ...the profiles are what we wanted when we installed the social profile extension to Mediawiki, but never worked well; we're going to migrate that to the accounts.webplatform.org
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2014-05-27 17:09:22 AmeliaBR: ...we're rushing this because w3c is having an advisory committee meeting in a few weeks, and we want annotations working by then since the system will also be used for annotating/feedback on specs
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2014-05-27 17:09:34 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Compatibility tables
2014-05-27 17:10:01 AmeliaBR: shepazu: worked with frozenice Thurs and Fri, also Pat Tressel; there was much mutual confusion...
2014-05-27 17:11:02 AmeliaBR: ...we weren't sure of the next step (for getting data from MDN); frozenice clarified that we just needed a list of MDN pages that we wanted to scrape; we didn't actually need a crawler for every single page on MDN (just the ones that matched webplatform.org pages)
2014-05-27 17:11:52 AmeliaBR: ... generated list with ~1900 urls by going through the cover pages; 1400 after duplicates and redirects
2014-05-27 17:12:57 AmeliaBR: with list, frozenice queried MDN to find compatibility tables; only about half had tables, there were some inconsistencies in what had tables and what not
2014-05-27 17:13:20 AmeliaBR: ...older, widely supported elements often didn't have tables, but we want to have tables for everything for consistency
2014-05-27 17:14:13 AmeliaBR: ...Plan (1): Walk through all the MDN pages to find "false negatives" (compatibility information that wasn't discovered by the automated script)
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2014-05-27 17:16:20 AmeliaBR: ... Plan (2): identify any of the MDN links as to whether they have links/redirects/compatibility; if no compatibility, is this widely supported element (in which case we can add a basic "Is widely supported" compatibility section
2014-05-27 17:16:54 AmeliaBR: ... questions?
2014-05-27 17:17:07 renoirb about accounts and SSO: There’s a misconception I want to fix with the profile server. Its not a pretty frontend like what we see at accounts.webplatform.org. The profile server is an API on which we can make calls.  Our other applications (e.g. MediaWiki, WordPress) will read from it.   Later down the road, we’ll make our own frontend with css/js to show what we want.
2014-05-27 17:18:03 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: agree that we should make sure data is complete, even for old elements.  But it's the new stuff that people care about the most, and we need to keep up-to-date.  Will we be periodically syncing with MDN?
2014-05-27 17:18:49 AmeliaBR: shepazu: The MDN script is a one-time thing.  Once we have data, we'll expose it as an API, and expose it back for MDN to keep up-to-date with us.
2014-05-27 17:19:06 AmeliaBR: ...their information is not test-driven, it's only people's opinions.
2014-05-27 17:19:55 AmeliaBR: ... we also want to get information from caniuse, which is at least test-driven, even if it tends to be broader topics instead of individual pages
2014-05-27 17:20:17 AmeliaBR: ...we'll have to map the caniuse compatibility information to our tables
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2014-05-27 17:20:54 AmeliaBR: ...nobody has exactly the information we're looking for
2014-05-27 17:22:10 AmeliaBR: ...w3c comes closest, with the enormous amount of tests for minutia of specifications; there is too much detail, many different tests need to be compiled, determine which aspects are "core tests", which are about combinations of features or sub-features
2014-05-27 17:22:42 AmeliaBR: ...for sub-features, we need to break that out to create "drill-down" tables for those results
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2014-05-27 17:23:21 AmeliaBR: ...for "edge cases" (versus core features) we would have caveats or callouts, but wouldn't confuse that with a lack of support for the main feature
2014-05-27 17:23:41 AmeliaBR: ...we would want to bundle-up all the tests to give a "confidence score"
2014-05-27 17:24:09 AmeliaBR: ...lots still to decide, but if we get this done, it has potential to be much more useful than caniuse, which is more a quick-and-dirty overview
2014-05-27 17:24:38 AmeliaBR: ...we want people to be able to know all the "gotchas" and how to work around it, by knowing exactly what isn't working
2014-05-27 17:25:03 AmeliaBR: julee: this would be great to right as requirements
2014-05-27 17:25:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu: oh, it's all written down already
2014-05-27 17:26:11 AmeliaBR: julee: what are we going to do about Javascript pages, many have manual information already, the script should not wipe this out if MDN doesn't have data
2014-05-27 17:27:00 AmeliaBR: shepazu: we're not going to remove the data from the manual tables; even if we remove the templates, we won't lose the information
2014-05-27 17:27:08 AmeliaBR: julee: but it won't be on the page?
2014-05-27 17:27:40 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Yes, but then we could scrape our own site and try to compare it with MDN
2014-05-27 17:28:33 AmeliaBR: julee: Agreed, we're not comparing data right now, but we should be able to write the script/template so that if we have data and MDN doesn't we don't delete it
2014-05-27 17:29:38 AmeliaBR: shepazu: What we're going to do is put this data in a mediawiki extension, and then pull that into a table with templates
2014-05-27 17:30:43 AmeliaBR: ...all the pages will be changed because the template will be changed; data will still be there but not displayed
2014-05-27 17:31:37 AmeliaBR: julee: if there are technical problems, we should at least create a list of pages where MDN data is blank, so that we can go back over and fill in manually
2014-05-27 17:32:30 AmeliaBR: shepazu: scraping our own data should not be that hard, but I really don't know if there are many of our pages that have unique compatibility information (i.e., that wasn't just copied from MDN)
2014-05-27 17:33:39 AmeliaBR: ...I will ask frozenice if it would be feasible to modify the script to scrape any data we currently have and compile with the MDN data
2014-05-27 17:34:21 AmeliaBR: julee: can you send the link/reference for the end goal structure of how to combine compatibility info with w3c test suite?
2014-05-27 17:34:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: will do; and will update it if necessary
2014-05-27 17:35:15 AmeliaBR: shepazu: by the end of this week, we will have all the data we can get from MDN, so we will be "at least as good" as them.
2014-05-27 17:35:38 AmeliaBR: ...at that point, we will have compatibility data on all our pages
2014-05-27 17:36:13 AmeliaBR: ...I (shepazu) will walk through the pages with no MDN data, and if I know that things are widely supported I will mark it.
2014-05-27 17:36:58 AmeliaBR: ...this is important because this is one of the things preventing us from declaring we're out of Alpha stage
2014-05-27 17:37:15 AmeliaBR: ...the other thing is the flag readiness markers
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2014-05-27 17:39:24 AmeliaBR: ...However, for compatibility, even after we add template, we may have to manually go through and add a field to the page defining the search name to use to extract data from the database generated from MDN; the name in our template needs to match the one used by MDN to make sure we're getting the right data
2014-05-27 17:39:58 AmeliaBR: ...this could be added to the task list for the content readiness review
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2014-05-27 17:40:29 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Yes, we need to have a clear list of what needs to be done, so that we only go through all the pages once
2014-05-27 17:41:05 AmeliaBR: shepazu: This should be our workplan for June.  That would finish this phase of major verification.
2014-05-27 17:41:12 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Readiness
2014-05-27 17:41:29 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: I should be able to get the CSS deployed this week.
2014-05-27 17:42:24 AmeliaBR: ...anything else?
2014-05-27 17:42:46 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: we need a clear to-do list, but we also need a way to divide up tasks?
2014-05-27 17:43:14 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: we can probably start one section at a time (e.g. CSS), and then divide it up alphabetically
2014-05-27 17:44:19 renoirb: I have one quick task for jen if that’s possible
2014-05-27 17:44:32 AmeliaBR: shepazu: that simple approach should probably work, and CSS pages should be the first priority.  This is grunt work, but should only take a few minutes per page.  With the regulars all committing a few hours it should be done.
2014-05-27 17:45:12 AmeliaBR: ...We will call this the QA Checklist; we need to come up with ideas for what to do, and then get it done.  I'm confident we can do this by mid-to-late June.
2014-05-27 17:45:48 AmeliaBR: ...then we can come up with a plan to announce that CSS stuff is "done" and everything that went in to getting it there (compatibility, readiness, etc.)
2014-05-27 17:46:07 renoirb: We'd need to have an enveloppe with our logo < http://imgur.com/RlBxBte
2014-05-27 17:46:37 AmeliaBR: ...and what this means for the infrastructure
2014-05-27 17:46:42 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/fxa-content-server/blob/webplatform-customizations/app/images/graphic_mail.png
2014-05-27 17:47:15 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  we should also send out an email; we have to do it anyway as part of the password reset
2014-05-27 17:47:51 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: it would be really great if the password reset email be sent out after the readiness states are live
2014-05-27 17:48:06 AmeliaBR: shepazu: it would also be good if the contributer pages could be ready
2014-05-27 17:48:35 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: yes, I will be working on that
2014-05-27 17:49:10 AmeliaBR: julee: what about formatting the index tables on category pages?
2014-05-27 17:49:41 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: Eliezerb and I had mentioned that we could look into this; I can make this a priority if necessary
2014-05-27 17:50:06 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Can you at least coordinate this (to AmeliaBR); ask for help when necessary!
2014-05-27 17:51:11 AmeliaBR: shepazu: So by mid-to-late June, we want to be able to make a big outreach effort after these changes are made; reach out to stewards for promo, announce new steward DreamHost and get their logo on their site
2014-05-27 17:51:35 AmeliaBR: ...try to have a flurry of blog posts leading up to big announcement, detailing all the work that has been done.
2014-05-27 17:52:27 eliezerb: Hey, and about the Contributors Guide?
2014-05-27 17:53:02 AmeliaBR: shepazu: one last detail on compatibility, when he's working through the list of MDN pages where there is no compatibility data at MDN, he will identify MDN pages that are just stubs and "brag" a bit about the fact we have info they don't
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2014-05-27 17:54:16 AmeliaBR: What about it eliezerb?  You'll need to pass any requests to jensimmons...
2014-05-27 17:54:39 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Do we have some expectation to get that done? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Contributors_Guide
2014-05-27 17:54:46 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Don't want to end up in an adversarial position with MDN
2014-05-27 17:55:17 AmeliaBR: eliezerb, yes that is on the list of things to get done before mid-to-late June outreach push
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2014-05-27 17:55:30 eliezerb: Ohh, thanks... :)
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2014-05-27 18:03:17 AmeliaBR: julee: but we need to coordinate infrastructure push with content push
2014-05-27 18:05:07 AmeliaBR: TODO: jensimmons: CSS for readiness markers
2014-05-27 18:05:26 AmeliaBR: TODO: shepazu: manual walk-through of MDN import dataset
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2014-05-27 18:08:49 AmeliaBR: meeting adjourned
2014-05-27 18:09:03 AmeliaBR: for shepazu: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/linking.html#LinksIntoSVG
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2014-06-03 15:25:47 renoirb: Hi Am
2014-06-03 15:25:59 renoirb: oops, Hi Amelia that is only editing the wiki without being on IRC :)
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2014-06-03 16:00:25 eliezerb: renoirb: Heyyyy, some good news comming
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2014-06-03 16:03:02 eliezerb: renoirb, julee, I would like to introduce you vanessametonini, she is from W3C Brazil :)
2014-06-03 16:03:21 Garbee waves.
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2014-06-03 16:03:37 eliezerb: Garbee: :D
2014-06-03 16:03:48 frozenice: hello there!
2014-06-03 16:04:01 eliezerb: We are starting to plan a Doc Sprint in Brazil in the next semester
2014-06-03 16:04:07 eliezerb: In a conf called Web.br
2014-06-03 16:04:18 eliezerb: Hey frozenice!
2014-06-03 16:04:27 frozenice: awesome!
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2014-06-03 16:05:27 vanessametonini: hello all!! :d
2014-06-03 16:05:39 renoirb: Hi eliezerb
2014-06-03 16:05:52 renoirb waves
2014-06-03 16:05:58 vanessametonini: yeah last week we lanched the teaser of the conference
2014-06-03 16:06:07 renoirb: Hi vanessametonini, glad to see a W3C office joining in!!
2014-06-03 16:06:14 vanessametonini: it will be in september 25,26 - Sao Paulo
2014-06-03 16:06:21 vanessametonini: http://conferenciaweb.w3c.br/
2014-06-03 16:06:24 vanessametonini: :D
2014-06-03 16:06:42 renoirb: Talk to shepazu, you might have heard of W3Conf.
2014-06-03 16:06:47 vanessametonini: I am glad to be here too
2014-06-03 16:07:03 vanessametonini: yes yes
2014-06-03 16:07:22 eliezerb: renoirb: I already started a conversation about this with shepazu
2014-06-03 16:07:29 renoirb: shepazu is the guy to talk to if you think that your office wants to participate in it.
2014-06-03 16:07:36 renoirb: sure, I expect no more.
2014-06-03 16:07:51 eliezerb: renoirb: There is a telcon in one hour?
2014-06-03 16:07:52 renoirb: I mean, offices are somehow not deeply connected to sites.
2014-06-03 16:07:57 renoirb: yup
2014-06-03 16:08:15 eliezerb: Maybe is good opportunity to join in vanessametonini
2014-06-03 16:08:35 renoirb: (to what I see, though. I’m W3C Team Member for less than a year still)
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2014-06-03 16:08:54 eliezerb is happy to bring new folks to the game
2014-06-03 16:09:03 renoirb: yay! \o/
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2014-06-03 16:09:38 renoirb: Brazilians are among the geekiest people I met.
2014-06-03 16:09:48 vanessametonini: yes eliezerb I will be on the telcon, and if have time we can tell a bit about our plans to the Doc sprint in Brazil
2014-06-03 16:09:56 renoirb: You have VoIP setup vanessametonini ?
2014-06-03 16:10:14 vanessametonini: renoirb: yes I do
2014-06-03 16:10:21 renoirb: ok.
2014-06-03 16:10:26 renoirb: Do your office join irc.w3.org ?
2014-06-03 16:10:44 renoirb: You could join #webdocs, this is where we command Zakim
2014-06-03 16:11:41 vanessametonini: renoirb: yes we do, on each monthly offices call
2014-06-03 16:11:56 renoirb: sure :) I just never spoke to anybody from an office
2014-06-03 16:12:02 vanessametonini: hmm I will see there
2014-06-03 16:12:08 vanessametonini: really? haha
2014-06-03 16:12:24 vanessametonini: You say from Brazil's office? renoirb
2014-06-03 16:12:41 renoirb: ANY office.
2014-06-03 16:12:52 renoirb: I only met W3C Site team-members.
2014-06-03 16:14:11 renoirb: I had conversation with Karen Myers about how offices, sites and the W3C works in general in that regard at last TPAC
2014-06-03 16:14:42 vanessametonini: uhum
2014-06-03 16:15:10 vanessametonini: We will be on the next TPAC in Santa Clara... Karen also been here last week :)
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2014-06-03 16:16:37 renoirb: oh!
2014-06-03 16:16:58 renoirb was in Sao-Paulo last january.  A day in, two hours wait to change airports :/
2014-06-03 16:18:52 vanessametonini: haha
2014-06-03 16:19:17 renoirb: I'm Canadian. I get mad pretty easily when people cut in lines. Brazilians do that all the time
2014-06-03 16:23:29 vanessametonini: haha sorry xD
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2014-06-03 16:26:50 Garbee: Here is the new rework of W3Fools. http://garbee.github.io/w3fools/  Feedback ofc welcome.
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2014-06-03 16:42:40 vanessametonini: haha
2014-06-03 16:44:17 renoirb: For people who wants to see Garbee’s work, it starts here https://github.com/Garbee/w3fools/compare/paulirish:master...master#diff-22
2014-06-03 16:46:02 renoirb: I just truncated database for accounts server, will start running the import for the "real deal"
2014-06-03 16:46:09 renoirb: shepazu ^
2014-06-03 16:46:16 Garbee: I'm kinda worried about using the main element though.
2014-06-03 16:46:37 renoirb: frozenice FYI my last message
2014-06-03 16:46:46 Garbee: Actually, let me run that through browserstack and check out the screenshots.
2014-06-03 16:50:00 Garbee: and if anyone wants to see the PR itself, I actually did a revision earlier this year, but feedback caused me to go back and do more work in order to keep the styling: https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools/pull/57
2014-06-03 16:50:08 Garbee: I also addressed some other content issues that people brought up.
2014-06-03 16:51:04 renoirb: Did you ever use modern.ie provided VMs, Garbee ?
2014-06-03 16:51:29 renoirb: I know that browserstack and the likes are nice, but its nice to do the run yourself too
2014-06-03 16:51:38 Garbee: renoirb: I just downloaded two yesterday to do testing with a new site I'm building.
2014-06-03 16:51:38 Garbee: http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/370a384956bf519025e29711d7e18124f7040919
2014-06-03 16:51:46 Garbee: Oh stack screenshots are perfect for this.
2014-06-03 16:51:59 Garbee: I was just wondering how older browsers would render things out with the <main> element in use.
2014-06-03 16:52:04 Garbee: Turns out, no issues at all.
2014-06-03 16:52:07 Garbee: So it is good to stay.
2014-06-03 16:52:36 Garbee: W3Fools has no real interaction, so booting a VM for it is overkill.
2014-06-03 16:53:15 Garbee: I do need to reformat the HTML itself later today though. It is a mess.
2014-06-03 16:53:42 Garbee: Oh well, I need to go take my grandpa to his protime appointment. See yall later, enjoy your days.
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2014-06-03 17:04:32 AmeliaBR: Telcon in session
2014-06-03 17:04:38 AmeliaBR: scribenick: AmeliaBR
2014-06-03 17:04:51 AmeliaBR: shepazu chairing
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2014-06-03 17:05:15 AmeliaBR: Topic: New members
2014-06-03 17:05:41 AmeliaBR: shepazu: new members on the mailing list, carryover from the DocSprint
2014-06-03 17:05:46 AmeliaBR: jen: Yay!
2014-06-03 17:06:34 renoirb: Heating lunch
2014-06-03 17:06:35 renoirb: brb
2014-06-03 17:06:35 AmeliaBR: shepazu: New members seem to be mostly female, which is cool if unexpected
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2014-06-03 17:06:52 renoirb: oh, telcon, joining
2014-06-03 17:07:27 AmeliaBR: shepazu: to Julee, how should we engage new members?
2014-06-03 17:07:39 AmeliaBR: julee: for QA, for content?
2014-06-03 17:07:50 AmeliaBR: shepazu: for everything.
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2014-06-03 17:08:38 AmeliaBR: julee: well, we've got the SVG push for the summer
2014-06-03 17:08:56 AmeliaBR: shepazu: we don't want to just say hi and then drop it
2014-06-03 17:10:15 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: it would be nice to have an up-to-date list of things that new users could do.  Is there anything left in the Web Platform Wednesdays?
2014-06-03 17:10:37 AmeliaBR: julee: I think most of that is done, JS has been taken over by eliots team
2014-06-03 17:11:40 AmeliaBR: ...we have the readiness to do list as well
2014-06-03 17:11:53 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: and just encouraging people to start writing documentation
2014-06-03 17:12:20 AmeliaBR: julee: One thing we could do is try to pair up new users with experienced users as a pairing program
2014-06-03 17:12:48 AmeliaBR: eliot: at the least, whomever makes initial contact should follow up after a few weeks
2014-06-03 17:13:05 AmeliaBR: ... also for to-do list, we still need to go through HTML elements and attributes
2014-06-03 17:14:22 AmeliaBR: julee: Over the summer, I think the push should still be SVG, try to establish webplatform as first stop for SVG, then focus on community engagement in the fall
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2014-06-03 17:14:52 AmeliaBR: jen: but we don't want to plan for no new users over the summer and then ignore users that show up
2014-06-03 17:15:27 AmeliaBR: shepazu: and SVG is a little esoteric for some people, HTML is more basic
2014-06-03 17:16:32 renoirb joined a few minutes ago. I’m listening, and watching batch 39 379 users import.
2014-06-03 17:16:52 AmeliaBR: julee: we need to split it up.  I will write something up.
2014-06-03 17:18:15 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  We could split it up by main topic area (HTML/CSS/SVG/etc) and have a regular user for each, then ask new users where they would fit bet
2014-06-03 17:18:57 AmeliaBR: shepazu: But right now, it might be more efficient to try to "on-board" a lot of new users all at once with a coordinated effort; I can write an email
2014-06-03 17:19:14 AmeliaBR: eliot: I'm happy to reach out to the two we heard from today
2014-06-03 17:19:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I was just thinking to do it on the list
2014-06-03 17:19:41 AmeliaBR: eliot: I like the idea of a personal touch
2014-06-03 17:19:58 AmeliaBR: julee: people who seem to be most successful to integrate are the ones on IRC
2014-06-03 17:21:13 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: we could encourage people to join an orientation session on IRC, but it's not something we can schedule once for everyone all over the world
2014-06-03 17:22:00 AmeliaBR: julee: I don't think that it has to be everyone at once, just let people know this is a place to hang out
2014-06-03 17:22:28 renoirb: +1 on shepazu action item
2014-06-03 17:22:38 AmeliaBR: shepazu: eliot, if you can reach out individually, I'll send a call-out email for anyone else who might have signed up
2014-06-03 17:22:47 AmeliaBR: ACTION on Eliot: personal contact
2014-06-03 17:23:02 renoirb: wilmoore, yt?
2014-06-03 17:23:10 AmeliaBR: ACTION on shepazu: email list posting
2014-06-03 17:23:27 AmeliaBR: julee: I'll reach out as well
2014-06-03 17:23:33 AmeliaBR: shepazu: and write up?
2014-06-03 17:23:37 renoirb waves at wilmoore: If you want to join and meet us, we are currently having a meeting.
2014-06-03 17:23:57 AmeliaBR: ACTION on julee: write up a description of how to "on board" new users
2014-06-03 17:24:13 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: SVG
2014-06-03 17:24:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: lots going on with SVG, lots of feedback from my podcast on The Web Ahead
2014-06-03 17:25:14 AmeliaBR: ... I definitely feel that is the right track for current focus.  I have started on a few tutorials, and I think that's something to focus on as well as the reference pages.
2014-06-03 17:25:48 AmeliaBR: ...The last few sprints we've done have been around reference pages, what do people think about Sprints around tutorials?
2014-06-03 17:26:27 renoirb laughts
2014-06-03 17:26:34 renoirb: s/laughts/laughs/
2014-06-03 17:27:11 renoirb thinks maybe we could do shepazu idea with a weekly Q&A using apear.in
2014-06-03 17:27:18 AmeliaBR: shepazu: The structure I was thinking would involve some sort of Q&A, people asking what they want tutorials about
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2014-06-03 17:27:46 AmeliaBR: ...e.g. tutorials I'm working on now are simple questions a lot of people have questions about
2014-06-03 17:29:07 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I like the idea, I think a group collaboration for writing tutorials, with newbies and experts collaborating, could result in well-written explanations
2014-06-03 17:29:34 AmeliaBR: eliot: I agree, but it is also a very different style of writing, more linear rather than just piecewise
2014-06-03 17:30:06 renoirb: q+
2014-06-03 17:30:10 renoirb: shepazu q+
2014-06-03 17:30:28 AmeliaBR: shepazu: we could have a sort of sidebar, where people ask questions, and then we follow up with tutorials
2014-06-03 17:31:20 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  I think the real core feature of webplatform is the reference docs, tutorials are good, but that's taking attention while the documentation is still not up-to-date
2014-06-03 17:31:51 AmeliaBR: ...making the official documentation be THE resource for W3 documentation
2014-06-03 17:33:08 AmeliaBR: julee: I agree as well, we should focus on the reference first, but we would serve the community well by having a good introductory experience.  We could have occasional focus on tutorials, trying to gather feedback on what to write
2014-06-03 17:33:21 AmeliaBR: ...trying to be inclusive in a methodical way
2014-06-03 17:33:44 AmeliaBR: shepazu: it was an idea, maybe something to save for when we've already got the reference stuff
2014-06-03 17:34:37 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: It's a good idea, but right now lots of blogs are writing about SVG, and it would be great to have those blogs link to the reference docs at WebPlatform because *nobody* has docs like webplatform.org
2014-06-03 17:34:48 AmeliaBR: ...just general education is too broad.
2014-06-03 17:35:25 AmeliaBR: shepazu: That's valuable feedback.  The reference docs have to be place.
2014-06-03 17:35:58 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: There are lots of tutorials on the web, there aren't lots of reference docs.
2014-06-03 17:36:41 AmeliaBR: AGREED: Focus on reference docs, think of tutorials later
2014-06-03 17:36:43 renoirb does q-
2014-06-03 17:36:45 renoirb: too late.
2014-06-03 17:36:55 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Infrastructure / SSO update
2014-06-03 17:37:50 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I've been working on the single sign on for a while, it's a complex topic; write now I'm importing the >40 000 user acounts that were in the database
2014-06-03 17:38:06 AmeliaBR: Won't support yet any of the other applications, but it's coming
2014-06-03 17:38:29 AmeliaBR: One change is that we won't log in with a username, but with an email address
2014-06-03 17:38:55 AmeliaBR: ...I've been trying to see if we can also use usernames, that might come later
2014-06-03 17:39:13 AmeliaBR: ...you can test right now on the test wiki.  There are still problems
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2014-06-03 17:40:03 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I tried yesterday, I did the password reset but it wasn't actually signing me into the wiki
2014-06-03 17:41:01 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I know, I'm still working on it.  I'm flushing out the user lists and re-importing it
2014-06-03 17:41:09 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: just wanted to make sure you knew
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2014-06-03 17:41:30 AmeliaBR: shepazu: We should send an email out warning that the test wiki is being tested for this
2014-06-03 17:41:50 AmeliaBR: ...and let people know what the end result will be
2014-06-03 17:42:29 AmeliaBR: ...to eliot: the annotation system is working on fixing problems with IE.
2014-06-03 17:42:47 AmeliaBR: ...I don't think we should roll out until that is ready.
2014-06-03 17:43:02 AmeliaBR: eliot: what's the timeline?  Because that effects the strategy
2014-06-03 17:43:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I hope it's weeks, not months
2014-06-03 17:43:32 AmeliaBR: ...are there people at MS that we can reach out to for these issues
2014-06-03 17:44:09 AmeliaBR: eliot: yes, but it should probably go through me or you; they know about the project
2014-06-03 17:44:51 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: related to annotations, I think that might be the problem with stylesheet bloat; currently there are 57 separate stylesheets for each page
2014-06-03 17:45:29 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I agree, I have had people from Google encouraging us to fix that, but haven't had time
2014-06-03 17:45:51 AmeliaBR: ...one problem is the annotator, but another problem is mediawiki and the memcache clogging things up
2014-06-03 17:46:22 AmeliaBR: ...there's a lot I want to clean up
2014-06-03 17:46:35 AmeliaBR: shepazu: where are all these stylesheets coming from?
2014-06-03 17:47:11 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  It's Javascript mostly, 57 scripts, 8 stylesheets.
2014-06-03 17:47:28 AmeliaBR: ...people adding extra features and not thinking of performance
2014-06-03 17:47:49 AmeliaBR: ...many of the scripts are being loaded in the head, when they aren't needed until the end
2014-06-03 17:48:20 AmeliaBR: ...we can't discuss it all here, but needed to bring it up
2014-06-03 17:48:32 AmeliaBR: shepazu: yes, we need to follow up on this
2014-06-03 17:48:32 vanessametonini: AmeliaBR: q+
2014-06-03 17:49:02 AmeliaBR: renoirb: there are a lot of things
2014-06-03 17:49:10 AmeliaBR: vanessameonini:
2014-06-03 17:49:12 AmeliaBR: ??
2014-06-03 17:50:39 AmeliaBR: vanessametonini: Working on an annual programming conference in Brazil, we'd love to create a docsprint
2014-06-03 17:50:59 AmeliaBR: shepazu: that sounds great.  Can you send an email to the public list?
2014-06-03 17:51:31 AmeliaBR: vanessametonini: Sure.  I really don't know where to start, but I can start that in the mail.
2014-06-03 17:52:20 AmeliaBR: shepazu: We have the DocSprint-in-a-box guidelines.  I'd love to go to Brazil if I could!
2014-06-03 17:53:02 AmeliaBR: renoirb: to clarify, the DocSprint-in-a-box is to help organize, lots of documentation
2014-06-03 17:53:06 shepazu: http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/readiness-markers/
2014-06-03 17:53:19 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Readiness markers
2014-06-03 17:53:19 renoirb: vanessametonini have a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Doc_Sprint
2014-06-03 17:53:34 vanessametonini: thanks renoirb
2014-06-03 17:54:03 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: any comments on the sample sent out?
2014-06-03 17:54:22 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: one concern is that on wide screens it moves far away from the body content
2014-06-03 17:54:41 AmeliaBR: eliot: Also, the link text is not obviously a link
2014-06-03 17:55:30 AmeliaBR: jensimmons, I would also like things to partially scroll with the text, but there's a lot else going on in the page so it's hard to finesse
2014-06-03 17:55:53 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I might be able to help with adjusting the php, create a separate module
2014-06-03 17:56:12 renoirb: AmeliaBR, i just need to be able to spend time. I have other priorities that takes all my time.
2014-06-03 17:57:09 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: It might be a whole rat's nest, I don't know.  I kind of made the best of what I had.
2014-06-03 17:58:08 AmeliaBR: shepazu: A few things: the "rivet" circle isn't quite in the right place; If I noticed that, I'm sure designers would really notice
2014-06-03 17:58:28 AmeliaBR: ... also, on mobile, the bar is very dominant.  Can we make it smaller?
2014-06-03 17:59:28 AmeliaBR: ... third, I find my eye being drawn away from the content to the bar.  It may be too bright, or it may just be new.
2014-06-03 17:59:40 AmeliaBR: eliot: I don't find that.
2014-06-03 18:00:07 AmeliaBR: ...maybe too much real estate on a phone, not sure if that's a major use case.
2014-06-03 18:00:41 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: there are lots of layout issues currently on phone.  I think ship it, and fix everything later.
2014-06-03 18:01:46 AmeliaBR: shepazu: on eliot's comment re link, maybe add a link icon instead of a vertical underline
2014-06-03 18:02:24 AmeliaBR: eliot: the fixed bar is also somewhat distracting when scrolling on mobile, it initially moves with the page then jumps back
2014-06-03 18:03:03 AmeliaBR: shepazu: is it possible to make the rounded top separate from the bar, so that the round top scrolls away but the bar stays fixed?
2014-06-03 18:03:27 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Maybe.  It would be super-hacky, but I could test it out.
2014-06-03 18:03:42 AmeliaBR: ...or we could get rid of the rivet altogether.
2014-06-03 18:04:30 AmeliaBR: ...I also still want to work on the color set.  I've written up a list of what needs to change that I can send to renoirb so he can fix up the main wiki.
2014-06-03 18:04:52 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I can work with you (jensimmons) to figure things out.
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2014-06-03 18:06:20 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: QA
2014-06-03 18:07:49 AmeliaBR: ...and other open items
2014-06-03 18:07:58 AmeliaBR: shepazu: For QA I think we should all just schedule time on IRC together.  I'll send a proper email reply
2014-06-03 18:08:30 AmeliaBR: shepazu: for tables, can we just do this manually
2014-06-03 18:08:45 renoirb: Thanks AmeliaBR
2014-06-03 18:09:02 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: I think manually would be more work, for now we can at least make the lists readable with CSS
2014-06-03 18:09:41 AmeliaBR: PS. To  renoirb or jensimmons, can you make that happen?  I'm not set up on github and won't have time in the near future
2014-06-03 18:10:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu: meeting for next week, I won't be available, can someone else chair?
2014-06-03 18:10:28 AmeliaBR: eliot: I'll try to organize things.
2014-06-03 18:10:42 AmeliaBR: meeting adjourned
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2014-06-03 19:30:48 AmeliaBR: A couple follow-ups:
2014-06-03 19:32:38 AmeliaBR: renoirb, can you edit the main CSS file as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0005.html
2014-06-03 19:33:20 AmeliaBR: I was going to suggest that jensimmons do it at the same time as the readiness markers CSS, but we've sent her back to do some more fussing with them so I'm not sure when it will happen
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2014-06-03 19:34:45 AmeliaBR: To frozenice, Garbee and eliezerb: Can you give me a positive confirmation that you'll be able to help out with the "QA Sprint" (http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/June2014_QA_Sprint)
2014-06-03 19:35:44 AmeliaBR: (I signed you up as part of the usual suspects, but I haven't talked with any of you directly)
2014-06-03 19:36:17 Garbee: Yup. I'm good with that so long as I'm in the HTML/DOM range of topics. I'm fairly good at that stuff.
2014-06-03 19:37:00 frozenice: yeah, I guess I can do some work :)
2014-06-03 19:37:00 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Yes, I will! I'm need some action in my life!
2014-06-03 19:37:11 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Yes, I will! I need some action in my life!*
2014-06-03 19:37:26 frozenice: eliezerb: you finished that paper yet? :P
2014-06-03 19:37:43 eliezerb: I'm here, my deadline is 5th June
2014-06-03 19:37:45 AmeliaBR: eliezerb:  Ha!  I think we might need an intervention if this is the most exciting thing on your June schedule!
2014-06-03 19:38:03 Garbee sighs.
2014-06-03 19:38:09 eliezerb: frozenice: When I finish it, I will go to the QA
2014-06-03 19:38:12 Garbee: Why did I not run the new W3Fools site through spellcheck?
2014-06-03 19:38:16 frozenice: good
2014-06-03 19:38:21 eliezerb goes back to the paper
2014-06-03 19:38:36 frozenice: ah, the new w3fools, I wanted to look at that
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2014-06-03 19:38:58 frozenice: got distracted with the guitar...
2014-06-03 19:39:38 Garbee: I need to run it through a grammar thing too. It does seem a bit wordy.
2014-06-03 19:40:45 AmeliaBR: Spell check first, publish later is *so* twentieth century.
2014-06-03 19:41:09 Garbee: hehe, but only having one obvious mispelling is good though. ;)
2014-06-03 19:41:20 eliezerb is looking to frozenice as his father O.o
2014-06-03 19:41:49 frozenice: *heavy breathing* I am your father!
2014-06-03 19:41:54 AmeliaBR: My WPD edit statistics are heavily inflated by multiple minor edits on the same page... somehow I just don't notice those things in Preview mode!
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2014-06-03 19:42:09 Garbee: AmeliaBR: Yea not surprising.
2014-06-03 19:42:14 Garbee: Preview has some bugs.
2014-06-03 19:42:22 Garbee: At least had anyways, not sure if they've been fixed or not.
2014-06-03 19:42:41 AmeliaBR: Garbee: it does, but I can't blame them for the simple grammar and spelling mistakes!
2014-06-03 19:43:27 frozenice: AmeliaBR: any plans to register your nick with freenode's NickServ?
2014-06-03 19:44:10 AmeliaBR: Would that get me a fancy + or @ in front of my name?
2014-06-03 19:44:15 frozenice: :)
2014-06-03 19:44:37 AmeliaBR: I really haven't explored any of the details of how this works, just enough that it works when I need it!
2014-06-03 19:45:14 frozenice: you can explore NickServ as a next step then
2014-06-03 19:45:49 AmeliaBR: I will add it to the to-do list.  I think figuring out github is higher priority, though.
2014-06-03 19:46:04 frozenice: yup, just let me know :)
2014-06-03 19:46:14 AmeliaBR: thanks!
2014-06-03 19:49:12 frozenice: Garbee: "no real community ... *was* around" instead of *were*?
2014-06-03 19:49:55 Garbee: frozenice: Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I actually need to tweak that a bit since MDN was around just didn't have much steam.
2014-06-03 19:50:04 frozenice: ok
2014-06-03 19:51:09 frozenice: maybe add a comma after "Further"
2014-06-03 19:54:19 frozenice: maybe move the link to the first occurence of "W3C" (only the 3rd is a link now)
2014-06-03 19:55:38 Garbee: Just pushed some grammar edits in the first paragraph.
2014-06-03 19:55:53 Garbee: And good catch on that link.
2014-06-03 19:56:14 frozenice: maybe replace "however" in the start of the 2nd paragraph with a comma
2014-06-03 19:57:25 frozenice: "*convered* by the W3C"
2014-06-03 19:57:42 Garbee: I don't think replacing that with a comma would make much sense. Right now it is a phrase showing contradiction. Replacing however with a comma doesn't seem to make sense to me.
2014-06-03 19:58:12 frozenice: just sounds odd to me, something's missing in the middle
2014-06-03 19:58:35 frozenice: maybe add an abbr to PHP (SQL next to it has one)
2014-06-03 19:58:41 Garbee: convered instead of "convened"?
2014-06-03 19:58:54 frozenice: was just highlighting the typo :)
2014-06-03 19:59:22 Garbee: That isn't a typo.
2014-06-03 19:59:35 Garbee: And yea I'm seeding in abbreviations now everywhere they should go.
2014-06-03 20:00:07 frozenice: is "convered" a real word? o0
2014-06-03 20:00:31 Garbee: oh.
2014-06-03 20:00:36 Garbee: That should be "covered"
2014-06-03 20:00:40 frozenice: ah
2014-06-03 20:00:53 Garbee: Good catch there! I was completely missing that one.
2014-06-03 20:02:07 Garbee: Oh, I see what that was retyping it.
2014-06-03 20:02:12 frozenice: educating others: "the best way... *is*"
2014-06-03 20:02:15 Garbee: Chrome Dev Tools autohinting.
2014-06-03 20:02:30 Garbee: I must have tabbed in convened and then rewritten part of it.
2014-06-03 20:03:13 frozenice: "examples of exemplary" maybe find a synonym for exemplary :)
2014-06-03 20:03:48 Garbee: I'll just kill the first examples of* I thought that was wordy but was rushing.
2014-06-03 20:03:56 frozenice: "full of people willing to help point people" synonym for 2nd people
2014-06-03 20:04:20 Garbee: point you*
2014-06-03 20:04:42 frozenice: you could link the channels
2014-06-03 20:04:46 Garbee: and drop the you after that.
2014-06-03 20:04:55 Garbee: yup, irc:// those.
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2014-06-03 20:05:49 frozenice: I'll take another look after your changes, afk for a few minutes
2014-06-03 20:06:04 frozenice: Garbee: meanwhile this could help! :D http://courses.cs.vt.edu/cs3604/support/Writing/writing.caveats.html
2014-06-03 20:06:27 Garbee: Cool, I'll look over that in a bit.
2014-06-03 20:06:38 Garbee: need to go get a dog from a haircut.
2014-06-03 20:07:06 Garbee: But yea, this draft was just done quickly to get the new content in front of people with the design back in place.
2014-06-03 20:07:11 Garbee: For this exact reason. ;)
2014-06-03 20:07:20 Garbee: Other people will spot my errors faster than myself.
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2014-06-03 20:33:52 frozenice: Garbee, another thing to think about: as many visitors will be non-native english speakers, it might be good to use simpler english, there are quite a few complicated words there
2014-06-03 20:34:12 frozenice: not as simple as simple.wikipedia.org (with their top ~1000 most common words), but simpler than now :)
2014-06-03 20:35:07 frozenice: don't forget to check the link! I'm off for the night, see you tomorrow
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2014-06-03 21:01:05 Garbee: Wow, just spent a whole day pretty much redoing W3Fools.
2014-06-03 21:01:10 Garbee: I need more water.
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2014-06-03 21:03:07 David_Bradbury: Thank you for doing that! It has needed an update for a bit :)
2014-06-03 21:04:04 Garbee: Yea I know.
2014-06-03 21:04:12 Garbee: I set out to redo it all back in Jan/Februray.
2014-06-03 21:04:24 Garbee: But then I had to rollback and add styles back and do other stuff, and things just got away from me.
2014-06-03 21:04:25 Garbee: :/
2014-06-03 21:04:59 Garbee: But, this gets it out of the way and done. And people can shut their mouths about it being outdated since the current content should be pretty rock solid for a while.
2014-06-03 21:05:10 Garbee: And it won't be difficult to maintain it at this point.
2014-06-03 21:05:26 Garbee: ntm just making it serve a better purpose. All kinds of wins.
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2014-06-03 21:32:43 Garbee: I realized our original plan is just too big.
2014-06-03 21:33:12 Garbee: We need to scale back and actually use a framework to get people going with, since teaching them how to do a lot of the basics of a framework will take too much time and effort to maintain.
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2014-06-04 12:26:02 emerson: the email address to subscribe to the wpd mail list is public-webplatform-requests@w3.org, correct?
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2014-06-04 13:01:36 Garbee: emerson: Yup.
2014-06-04 13:01:42 Garbee: You can click the green link here too: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
2014-06-04 13:05:56 emerson: Garbee: but I thought w3 lists were -request@w3.org
2014-06-04 13:06:04 emerson: or do both ways work?
2014-06-04 13:08:14 Garbee: -request is for subscribing. Then you talk on public-webplatform after you subscribe.
2014-06-04 13:08:43 Garbee: On the first time you message in though to public-webplatform, you will need to confirm that the W3 can archive your emails publicly.
2014-06-04 13:08:49 emerson: oh okay. Just wondering because on the contributer's guide, you have -requests, but the actual mailto link is -request
2014-06-04 13:09:09 emerson: I didn't know if that would cause any confusion or not
2014-06-04 13:09:14 Garbee: hm, let me check the context of that link real quick.
2014-06-04 13:09:32 Garbee: But yea, -request is to actually sign up for getting on the list to be sent copies of the lists email.
2014-06-04 13:10:11 Garbee: Then when you are on the list, you may send an email to it for distribution. If you haven't confirmed public archiving, then your mails will be held up until you confirm it.
2014-06-04 13:10:17 emerson: yea, i signed up for all of them already
2014-06-04 13:11:01 Garbee: ah, the Contributor's Guide explains the situation already.
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2014-06-04 13:16:23 emerson: but on that guide, you make multiple references to public-webplatform-requests, and if someone would try to email public-webplatform-requests@w3.org, they wouldn't get subscribed
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2014-06-04 13:38:45 Garbee: The messages you get going through the process were pretty clear last I went through it.
2014-06-04 13:39:19 Garbee: Because you need to reply to the request in order to actually get subscribed. Then once that is done the system tells you again the address of the list itself.
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2014-06-04 13:44:18 emerson: i don't think I'm explaining this clear enough. On the contributers guide, you have public-webplatform-requests (with an 's' at the end) in a few places. If you try to email public-webplatform-requests@w3.org, you will not be subscribed to the mail list, because you need to email public-webplatform-request@w3.org (without the 's' at the end)
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2014-06-04 14:08:34 frozenice: emerson: fixed :)
2014-06-04 14:11:57 emerson: frozenice: cool thanks :)
2014-06-04 14:12:17 frozenice: thank YOU for bringing it up :)
2014-06-04 14:17:23 Garbee: Oh, typo.
2014-06-04 14:18:01 frozenice: Garbee: have you read the writing guide I linked?
2014-06-04 14:18:21 Garbee: frozenice: Yea. Ran through a few grammar checks too.
2014-06-04 14:18:38 Garbee: http://garbee.github.io/w3fools/  --Should be pull-ready now.
2014-06-04 14:19:02 Garbee: I head "led" and "lead" mixed up in different places. :P
2014-06-04 14:19:10 Garbee: among other misc ambiguous things.
2014-06-04 14:23:13 frozenice: looks good
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2014-06-04 14:24:40 frozenice: I'd still like simpler language in some places, but I guess it's ok
2014-06-04 14:25:18 Garbee: Like where?
2014-06-04 14:25:32 Garbee: My use of exomplary too sophisticated? :P
2014-06-04 14:25:35 Garbee: exemplary*
2014-06-04 14:26:30 frozenice: convened, canonical, repercussions
2014-06-04 14:26:33 renoirb: Hi all
2014-06-04 14:26:36 frozenice: hi!
2014-06-04 14:31:54 renoirb: Garbee, frozenice, shepazu, can you guys login to accounts.webplatform.org and change your passwords please :)
2014-06-04 14:32:16 frozenice: did you clear the wiki sessions? I had to login again there
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2014-06-04 14:32:39 renoirb: I havent deployed the code i'm working on for the wiki
2014-06-04 14:33:07 renoirb: But the accounts database is using *only* what we have in production wiki
2014-06-04 14:33:26 frozenice: "Your account is ready!"
2014-06-04 14:33:28 renoirb: I have a list of usernames that doesnt have any email address
2014-06-04 14:33:57 renoirb: we might have to make utilities to update the email field for users later
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2014-06-04 14:34:18 frozenice: I successfully reset my password and logged in under accounts.*
2014-06-04 14:34:31 renoirb: Maybe a scope for admins to list users and update fields.
2014-06-04 14:34:37 renoirb: perfect
2014-06-04 14:35:00 renoirb: I'm working on the PHP code to handle errors more gracefullyé
2014-06-04 14:35:03 renoirb: gracefully.
2014-06-04 14:35:41 renoirb: Because if oauth or profile server is down, it hangs there infinitely and we should put a message instead of hanging
2014-06-04 14:36:10 frozenice: makes sense
2014-06-04 14:38:06 Garbee: renoirb: Same account as the wiki was or the test one I made?
2014-06-04 14:38:33 renoirb: Garbee, you have to use the same email address you have an account with on the production wiki.
2014-06-04 14:39:20 renoirb: I imported **all** accounts from the production wiki (until ~16h ago).  We have a list of username and passwords.
2014-06-04 14:39:33 renoirb: I mean, each email and address from every entry is converted there.
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2014-06-04 14:39:48 renoirb: With that you will eventually be able to use that same account on anything that's connected to it.
2014-06-04 14:40:03 renoirb: For starters, it’ll be any MediaWiki installation we make: test, production, upgrade.
2014-06-04 14:40:53 renoirb: We might consider completely delete data from the test wiki and start that one from scratch.
2014-06-04 14:41:02 renoirb: (but with same plugins as production though)
2014-06-04 14:41:26 Garbee: Ok, just reset my password and logged in.
2014-06-04 14:41:48 renoirb: ok
2014-06-04 14:42:04 renoirb: For now, i'm finishing up error handling and saving of the bearer token inside memcache.
2014-06-04 14:42:30 renoirb: That way, i'll have a passwordless login system for mediawiki, and eventually write some python code to replicate the issue if needs be
2014-06-04 14:42:36 renoirb: frozenice, do you do python?
2014-06-04 14:42:40 frozenice: nope
2014-06-04 14:42:47 renoirb: Neither do I.
2014-06-04 14:42:57 renoirb: I seen its close to javascript, somehow.
2014-06-04 14:43:11 renoirb: No {}, but prototypal-ish inheritance.
2014-06-04 14:43:57 renoirb: The hack I thought is to store to memcache the bearer token in a memcache slot with same TTL than the token and the key would be the username.
2014-06-04 14:45:36 renoirb: So, since memcache is only accessible by other servers, regardless of what is calling memcache with username key would gain access to the bearer token and be able to make a GET call to profile.accounts.webplatform.org/v1/profile with authorization header and get user data to use —create if needed— and impersonate user with given data.
2014-06-04 14:46:00 renoirb: If you want to play with that frozenice, you can get a bearer token from 123done GET param after signin in to temporary.webplatform.org
2014-06-04 14:46:45 renoirb: When you get back after login, you will have a ?temporary=BEARER_TOKEN_STRING
2014-06-04 14:47:32 renoirb: Then you can do `curl -v -H "Authorization: Bearer BEARER_TOKEN_STRING" https://profile.accounts.webplatform.org/v1/profile`
2014-06-04 14:48:00 frozenice: uhm yeah, sounds great :)
2014-06-04 14:51:34 renoirb: You end up with a response body looking like {"email":"bar@foo.org","uid":"himom","fullName":"Renoir Boulanger","username":"Renoirb"}
2014-06-04 14:52:19 renoirb: that's what I use in MediaWiki to find or create a local user and start a session
2014-06-04 14:52:47 renoirb: I wished I understood that when I Started learning OAuth :(
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2014-06-04 15:00:40 shepazu: renoirb, that API doesn't let a random person or app get access to the user data, right?
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2014-06-04 15:18:59 renoirb: Right shepazu
2014-06-04 15:19:47 renoirb: It MUST have a bearer token, and the only way to get it is through the process. And the only data it has access, for now, is profile. And profile only allows access to its own data.
2014-06-04 15:21:15 renoirb: Later we will be able to add a new scope (we currently only have "profile" like said), and that new scope could do more. But we would allow that new scope only to some people.
2014-06-04 15:21:22 renoirb: But this is yet to be done.
2014-06-04 15:22:38 renoirb: The hardest part was to understand how all this is working, and set it in place.  frozenice, me and anybody else who can do NodeJS will be able to add features to that.
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2014-06-04 15:23:25 renoirb: Hi vanessametonini
2014-06-04 15:29:20 vanessametonini: hi renoirb! :)
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2014-06-04 17:38:36 Garbee: I wonder in what ways we could visualize the triggering of DOM events.
2014-06-04 17:38:51 Garbee: Like the phases of a keypress or touch/click.
2014-06-04 17:39:07 Garbee: I mean, they are basically simple flowcharts.
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2014-06-04 17:53:32 brbcoding: aw thanks
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2014-06-04 19:39:48 Garbee: renoirb: Is the account system switch-aroo going on possibly causing me to not be able to save new stuff on dabblet?
2014-06-04 19:40:25 renoirb: they aren’t related
2014-06-04 19:40:39 renoirb: Garbee, explain what you do.
2014-06-04 19:41:07 Garbee: I just opened up code.webplatform.org, was working on a demo. Went to save but it was grayed out. In some disabled state.
2014-06-04 19:41:53 Garbee: Then stupidly I went, well, this is a new thing, let me see if new saves it. Nope, completely not comprehending the alert until after I pressed OK I just lost the 8 minutes I spent building and commenting an example. :(
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2014-06-10 17:01:42 eliot: Anyone trying to get on to the weekly call? I'm failing with, "This pass code is not valid." :-(
2014-06-10 17:02:54 AmeliaBR: About to try, will let you know
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2014-06-10 17:04:11 julee: +1
2014-06-10 17:04:11 AmeliaBR: Same here.
2014-06-10 17:04:19 eliot: I get the same thing on my office and on my cellphones.
2014-06-10 17:04:25 jensimmons: “This passcode is not valid”
2014-06-10 17:04:38 jensimmons: is that what you are talking about?
2014-06-10 17:04:49 eliot: Yeah. I thought Zakim was my friend.
2014-06-10 17:05:00 eliot: Et tu, Zakim?
2014-06-10 17:05:29 AmeliaBR: Maybe there's a special code to start a call?
2014-06-10 17:05:34 AmeliaBR: Checking: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
2014-06-10 17:06:04 jensimmons: so no one is in the conference call?
2014-06-10 17:06:08 eliot: I think someone from tyhe W3C needs to reserve it. I thought Doug had this slot reserved, tho
2014-06-10 17:06:21 eliot: Nobody on the phone, Jen.
2014-06-10 17:06:47 jensimmons: So do we cancel/postpone, or do we all jump on Skype or another laternative?
2014-06-10 17:06:56 jensimmons: *alternative
2014-06-10 17:07:39 AmeliaBR: I can do skype.  I can do chat here.
2014-06-10 17:07:42 eliot: one sec
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2014-06-10 17:08:10 julee: renoirb might be able to send a request for a temporary code…
2014-06-10 17:08:44 renoirb: oh hi
2014-06-10 17:08:45 eliot: I have aline
2014-06-10 17:08:52 renoirb: well, wait, let me see if it works
2014-06-10 17:08:57 eliot: ok
2014-06-10 17:09:31 renoirb: it should work now
2014-06-10 17:09:34 renoirb: just started it
2014-06-10 17:09:52 jensimmons: what is “it”?
2014-06-10 17:09:56 julee: docs
2014-06-10 17:10:09 AmeliaBR: I'm in!  Thanks renoirb
2014-06-10 17:10:14 renoirb: The room is available at the moment
2014-06-10 17:10:21 renoirb: for one hour
2014-06-10 17:10:51 vanessametonini: ok
2014-06-10 17:10:53 AmeliaBR: The usual DOCS# code
2014-06-10 17:11:14 renoirb: jensimmons, eliot, julee, vanessametonini the room is available at the usual place on zakim@voip.w3.org #3627
2014-06-10 17:11:30 vanessametonini: I am in
2014-06-10 17:11:36 jensimmons: great. i’m in too
2014-06-10 17:12:46 AmeliaBR: Ok.  Meeting starting!
2014-06-10 17:12:51 AmeliaBR: eliot in the chair
2014-06-10 17:13:19 AmeliaBR: Attending: jensimmons, AmeliaBR Vanessametonini, julee
2014-06-10 17:13:54 eliot: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0021.html
2014-06-10 17:13:58 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Onboarding of new members
2014-06-10 17:14:26 AmeliaBR: eliot: Julee's wrote up a nice outline of how to make sure new members are welcome and have the resources to keep going
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2014-06-10 17:15:03 AmeliaBR: julee: the one thing I didn't do that might be worth doing is to keep a list of new people for following-up
2014-06-10 17:15:21 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: it would only works if it is actually up-to-date and we follow up?
2014-06-10 17:15:34 AmeliaBR: eliot: would the purpose be to follow up after 30/60 days?
2014-06-10 17:16:16 AmeliaBR: julee: Just so we could keep track.  We might postpone this until we have a proper community drive.  Possibly in the early fall, when people are coming back from vacation.
2014-06-10 17:16:46 AmeliaBR: Eliot: Should we follow up with a request for assigning people to different action items on the list?
2014-06-10 17:17:28 AmeliaBR: Julee: I can follow up this email, if everyone's fine with it, with a suggestion that when we start the next community drive we set up a checklist to make sure we're doing this for each new member
2014-06-10 17:18:36 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: Clear responsibilities are important so that something actually happens
2014-06-10 17:19:40 AmeliaBR: vanessametonini: When I signed up, I wasn't really sure how to introduce myself or how to get involved; I did not want to bother people
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2014-06-10 17:20:21 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: I'm not sure if we can change the automatic email sign-up email to encourage people to introduce themselves
2014-06-10 17:22:39 eliot: renoirb: do we automaticaaly send mail to new members when they sign up? Who owns that coontent? We can change it, right?
2014-06-10 17:23:05 AmeliaBR: venessametonini: it might not be a good idea to have a new introduction email from a new member every day, people don't want to spam the list if they don't know it's welcome
2014-06-10 17:23:11 renoirb: eliot, no we dont. We will have to build something.
2014-06-10 17:23:54 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: current automatic welcome email is not very informative
2014-06-10 17:24:03 renoirb is working on a particular SSO feature that'll sign you in automatically if you already authenticated.
2014-06-10 17:24:07 AmeliaBR: ACTION: julee: send out follow-up email
2014-06-10 17:24:31 renoirb: and for its development, i'm also working on command line API calls to do maintenance.
2014-06-10 17:24:35 AmeliaBR: ACTION venessametonini: will reply to julee's email with her perspective
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2014-06-10 17:24:59 vanessametonini: yep
2014-06-10 17:25:15 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: Following up on Issues and To-Do lists
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2014-06-10 17:25:41 AmeliaBR: julee: When we originally set up bug genie, the idea was that we would regularly triage the bug reports and address them.
2014-06-10 17:25:57 AmeliaBR: ...but with other projects going on, we're not really following-up
2014-06-10 17:26:40 AmeliaBR: ...I think we need, maybe shepazu and renoirb, integrating checking the infrastructure bug reports as part of their other infrastructure work
2014-06-10 17:26:56 AmeliaBR: ...and then the rest of us need to have a schedule of dealing with content bugs
2014-06-10 17:27:05 AmeliaBR: eliot: and have regular bug-bashing sessions
2014-06-10 17:27:45 AmeliaBR: julee: Yes.  The bug reports break down into issues that require actual pull requests on the infrastructure code, versus content issues
2014-06-10 17:28:00 AmeliaBR: ...and we need to separate triage groups to address them.
2014-06-10 17:28:31 AmeliaBR: ...I think this hasn't worked before because the bug system hasn't been really integrated into any of our special projects.
2014-06-10 17:28:46 AmeliaBR: ...we need regular meetings to address issues.
2014-06-10 17:28:47 renoirb: i will join
2014-06-10 17:29:00 AmeliaBR: eliot: what kind of time do you think would be required?
2014-06-10 17:29:32 AmeliaBR: julee:  ongoing 1hr/week, but more at first
2014-06-10 17:30:52 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I deal with the infrastructure bugs ongoing.  But many of the bug reports deal with stability or speed, and so can't be addressed until we fix the more fundamental structural issues: SSO, updating mediawiki.  Once those are addressed, most of the infrastructure bugs will be solved.
2014-06-10 17:31:11 AmeliaBR: julee: but then there are the other types of bugs, relating to content or templates
2014-06-10 17:31:18 renoirb: http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki
2014-06-10 17:31:26 AmeliaBR: renoirb: once mediawiki is updated, there won't be as many problems with templates
2014-06-10 17:31:53 AmeliaBR: julee: Of course.  But even as the system is running, there will be regular reporting of bugs.
2014-06-10 17:32:19 renoirb: This http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki is an upgraded version of media wiki, also using SSO.
2014-06-10 17:32:37 AmeliaBR: ...we need a way to assign, on a regular basis, people's time to keeping track of what bugs have been reported and dealing with them
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2014-06-10 17:33:05 AmeliaBR: ...we need to decide how much of people's time is going to be devoted to fixing bugs versus new projects
2014-06-10 17:34:06 AmeliaBR: renoirb: As the full-time person, I talk daily with shepazu about priorities, but once you're in coding mode working on one thing it's hard to have to also switch to other things
2014-06-10 17:34:39 AmeliaBR: ...I've got examples (link above) about new mediawiki, but it's not yet ready to go,
2014-06-10 17:35:30 AmeliaBR: eliot: we recognize that's all high priority work.  But separate from that, we've lost track of any bug-tracking system, so that we can identify new priorities as they come in.
2014-06-10 17:36:34 AmeliaBR: julee: One thing, if renoirb expects that most of the bugs will be fixed with this new system, we would really need to put off the triage until after that is up, and then we could tell what issues would be fixed.
2014-06-10 17:37:05 AmeliaBR: eliot: when is that going to be?
2014-06-10 17:37:24 AmeliaBR: renoirb: some of it is already rolled out.  The big part in a couple weeks.
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2014-06-10 17:38:02 AmeliaBR: ...SSO being rolled out for mediawiki and annotations.  At the same time, I'll update both systems.
2014-06-10 17:38:36 AmeliaBR: julee: Maybe we can target the second week of July for the full issue triage, assuming renoirb's work goes as scheduled?
2014-06-10 17:38:57 eliot: BTW, issues are tracked at http://project.webplatform.org/
2014-06-10 17:39:06 AmeliaBR: eliot: But we (eliot, julee, anyone else) can get started reviewing the content bugs
2014-06-10 17:39:22 AmeliaBR: julee: because none of renoirb's work will affect that?
2014-06-10 17:39:32 AmeliaBR: renoirb: no, this is infrastructure
2014-06-10 17:40:35 AmeliaBR: julee: Okay, so the plan would be to figure out priorities, start going through the list and fixing what can be fixed immediately, then review what's left
2014-06-10 17:40:46 AmeliaBR: eliot: would this be a big chunk of time getting together?
2014-06-10 17:41:07 AmeliaBR: julee: not for the first meeting, I think we need to strategize first
2014-06-10 17:41:18 AmeliaBR: eliot: anyone else on the call able to help?
2014-06-10 17:41:29 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: not for this month, maybe later
2014-06-10 17:41:46 AmeliaBR: eliot: OK julee and I will set up an initial meeting and announce it on the list
2014-06-10 17:42:06 AmeliaBR: julee: we also need volunteers for who is willing to have bugs assigned to them
2014-06-10 17:42:57 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Agreed.  This is important.  If bug system is not being kept up-to-date, issues addressed, then new users won't bother using it, and renoirb gets stuck as the only support option
2014-06-10 17:43:36 AmeliaBR: ...there are also time estimates for fixing issues; we need to figure out which ones can be switched to shorter estimates
2014-06-10 17:44:09 AmeliaBR: ...our bug system is great, easy to use, we need to convince was
2014-06-10 17:45:55 AmeliaBR: NEW TOPIC: QA Review
2014-06-10 17:46:45 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: I will start sending out lists of articles to volunteers as a link to a search page.
2014-06-10 17:47:03 AmeliaBR: ...There are 10 volunteers and 4000 articles, so this will be rapid-fire
2014-06-10 17:47:44 AmeliaBR: ...I will re-write the checklist to be very focused, IF this THEN assign that state
2014-06-10 17:48:18 AmeliaBR: ...so that people can go through a lot of articles in a little time
2014-06-10 17:49:02 AmeliaBR: eliot: Make sure the emails ask for confirmation, so that if people can't do it we can assign it to someone else
2014-06-10 17:49:15 AmeliaBR: ...it's too bad we don't have a central location to all meet up and do this together.
2014-06-10 17:49:54 AmeliaBR: ...like a DocSprint.
2014-06-10 17:50:03 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: agreed.  We can encourage people to keep IRC open and chat while they're working, but beer and pizza would help...
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2014-06-11 05:16:29 AmeliaBR: (or east coast late night owls)  (or Australian/East Asian morning birds)
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2014-06-12 17:06:38 AmeliaBR: frozenice, garbee, renoirb: I need a rapid brainstorm!
2014-06-12 17:06:53 renoirb: Hi AmeliaBR
2014-06-12 17:07:22 AmeliaBR: Did you see Jen's email about changing the readiness states?  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0043.html
2014-06-12 17:07:31 frozenice: yep
2014-06-12 17:07:40 AmeliaBR: I initially replied that her suggestions look great, but there's a problem...
2014-06-12 17:08:00 AmeliaBR: The template is "This article is {{{State}}}"
2014-06-12 17:08:32 AmeliaBR: But that doesn't work grammatically with "Needs Work":  This article is Needs Work???
2014-06-12 17:08:49 AmeliaBR: So I need an alternative.
2014-06-12 17:09:07 AmeliaBR:  "This article is In Need of Work" ?
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2014-06-12 17:10:04 frozenice: hm
2014-06-12 17:10:07 apexskier: "Palaver http://palaverapp.com/"
2014-06-12 17:10:13 renoirb: Hum, that's shepazu's realm :)
2014-06-12 17:10:32 renoirb: Reply to the mailing list with shepazu at the TO: field.
2014-06-12 17:10:33 renoirb: :)
2014-06-12 17:10:44 frozenice: just find something else for "Needs Work" :D
2014-06-12 17:12:39 frozenice: can't think of anything good that includes "work"
2014-06-12 17:14:27 AmeliaBR: We were going with "Coming Later".  jensimmons I think was hoping we could do this all in templates
2014-06-12 17:14:49 AmeliaBR: but I agree with her reasons why "coming later" is confusing
2014-06-12 17:15:02 frozenice: yeah
2014-06-12 17:16:25 AmeliaBR: We could do something quite different, like "This article is Not Ready"
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2014-06-12 17:18:19 frozenice: "In Progress" kinda has the same meaning as "Needs Work" to me
2014-06-12 17:18:39 frozenice: so something different might be good
2014-06-12 17:18:54 AmeliaBR: That's true.  We want something obviously lower than "In Progress"
2014-06-12 17:20:07 renoirb: Hey, frozenice, since its not too late (yet) for you can you review something and tell me if you see some danger?
2014-06-12 17:20:17 renoirb: Its described at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/SSO/How_we_implemented_it#SSO_and_remembering.2C_proposal_2
2014-06-12 17:20:17 frozenice: sure
2014-06-12 17:21:09 renoirb: The endpoint i'm proposing on the profile server won’t work at all if you call it from a non authorized IP address, through NGINX (i'll find a way in Express to forbid it there too though)
2014-06-12 17:22:09 renoirb: You can run the javascript code in the developer tools
2014-06-12 17:22:13 renoirb: from step 1
2014-06-12 17:22:27 renoirb: frozenice ^
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2014-06-12 17:26:33 AmeliaBR: Hey julee
2014-06-12 17:27:35 AmeliaBR: Can you complete this sentence?  "This article is {{phrase that means it's just a stub page or unreviewed import}}"
2014-06-12 17:28:44 AmeliaBR: jensimmons wanted "This article Needs Work", but the template for all the other values requires and "is".  Also, frozenice thought "Needs Work" was too close to "In Progress"
2014-06-12 17:29:19 AmeliaBR: I'm currently leaning towards "This article is Not Ready"
2014-06-12 17:29:54 AmeliaBR: Need a decision before I trigger the starter gun on the QASprint, which will be in an hour or so.
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2014-06-12 17:33:45 frozenice: I also like "Not Ready"
2014-06-12 17:34:10 frozenice: renoirb: if you get the CSP working and use something else than a popup, I guess it's ok :)
2014-06-12 17:34:55 renoirb: that's what I think.
2014-06-12 17:35:09 renoirb: In fact i have this in mind, but I want to have the /session/read and /session/recover working first.
2014-06-12 17:35:16 renoirb: I'm about to send a gist showing a bug I have.
2014-06-12 17:35:31 renoirb: its most likely a nodejs+mysql implementation bug with promises.
2014-06-12 17:35:37 renoirb: ... that I created :(
2014-06-12 17:37:12 renoirb: frozenice, can you help me with that bug? https://gist.github.com/renoirb/f401fc52b0234b5c21e7
2014-06-12 17:37:24 frozenice: not right now
2014-06-12 17:37:30 renoirb: ok, whenever you can
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2014-06-16 16:39:49 renoirb: Garbee, yt?
2014-06-16 16:40:07 Garbee: yup
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2014-06-16 17:14:30 renoirb: frozenice, yt?
2014-06-16 17:16:25 frozenice: hi renoirb
2014-06-16 17:16:42 renoirb: Did you have time to eyeball my proposal?
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2014-06-16 17:17:06 frozenice: I can take a quick look :)
2014-06-16 17:17:29 renoirb: Thanks!
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2014-06-16 17:24:53 shepazu: hey, folks
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2014-06-16 17:26:46 eliezerb: shepazu: heya!
2014-06-16 17:27:01 shepazu: howdy, eliezerb
2014-06-16 17:27:53 eliezerb: shepazu: Backing to the normal life, after a couple of busy days, about you?
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2014-06-16 17:29:01 shepazu: eliezerb, pretty much the same :)
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2014-06-16 17:30:52 eliezerb: shepazu: Now I can watch Fifa World Cup :) lol
2014-06-16 17:32:06 ravenzz: who is playing ?
2014-06-16 17:32:49 eliezerb: GER vs. POR
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2014-06-16 17:39:15 ravenzz: like ... now?
2014-06-16 17:40:04 frozenice: almost over :)
2014-06-16 17:41:47 ravenzz: oh man 4-0 :!
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2014-06-16 18:03:49 Garbee: frozenice: Am I still online?
2014-06-16 18:04:03 frozenice: +
2014-06-16 18:04:53 Garbee: Interesting.
2014-06-16 18:05:08 Garbee: Thanks, just testing something you should be hearing about soonish.
2014-06-16 18:05:20 frozenice: np!
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2014-06-16 22:59:18 brianjhong: hey everyone!
2014-06-16 22:59:26 brianjhong: working on checking a w3c doc
2014-06-16 22:59:39 brianjhong: and wanted to know where can we verify the standardization matches with s3c
2014-06-16 22:59:46 brianjhong: w3c*
2014-06-16 23:00:16 brianjhong: an example would be that w3.org has a page about @charset
2014-06-16 23:00:38 brianjhong: but i went to verify weather w3c recommendation versus other standardization statuses
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2014-06-16 23:06:44 ravenzz: brianjhong what do you mean by other standardization statuses?
2014-06-16 23:06:58 ravenzz: vendors implementations?
2014-06-16 23:07:08 brianjhong: the other possible options are
2014-06-16 23:07:43 brianjhong: Mixed, W3C editor's draft, W3C Working Draft... etc
2014-06-16 23:08:00 brianjhong: De Facto Standard, Experimental
2014-06-16 23:08:22 ravenzz: I guess that when some stuff is a de facto standard it can't regret to experimental or working draft state
2014-06-16 23:08:46 ravenzz: however I guess that you are looking for http://www.whatwg.org/
2014-06-16 23:08:56 brianjhong: hmm is it safe to say that w3c internationalization articles are recommentaions?
2014-06-16 23:08:59 brianjhong: like this one
2014-06-16 23:08:59 brianjhong: http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset.en.php#atcharset
2014-06-16 23:09:46 brianjhong: i guess charset was interesting to me because there's clear HTML recommendation but CSS wasn't as explicit
2014-06-16 23:09:46 ravenzz: article != recommendation/standard
2014-06-16 23:09:51 brianjhong: k
2014-06-16 23:10:02 brianjhong: good to know, thanks
2014-06-16 23:12:09 brianjhong: how would you categorize @charset then, for CSS? recommendation?
2014-06-16 23:16:25 ravenzz: @charset is an at-rule
2014-06-16 23:16:33 ravenzz: I mean it belongs to that category
2014-06-16 23:16:38 ravenzz: see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#at-rules
2014-06-16 23:16:53 brianjhong: got it, exactly what i was looking for. thank you!
2014-06-16 23:17:07 ravenzz: np
2014-06-16 23:17:58 ravenzz: oh and here is the webplatform.org link http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/atrules :)
2014-06-16 23:18:41 brianjhong: haha yeah i had that one too! i suggested some revisions for clarity but overall looks good! :)
2014-06-16 23:18:51 ravenzz: cool!
2014-06-16 23:18:59 ravenzz: thanks ;)
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2014-06-16 23:19:07 brianjhong: no problem. :]
2014-06-16 23:21:44 brianjhong: thank yoU!
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2014-06-22 00:12:14 eliezerb: renoirb: Hey!
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2014-06-22 00:34:44 Garbee: hi eliezerb.
2014-06-22 00:34:52 Garbee: I'm not renoir. But whatever.
2014-06-22 00:34:59 eliezerb: Garbee: Hey you!
2014-06-22 00:35:04 eliezerb: How are you?
2014-06-22 00:35:18 Garbee: Fine mostly.
2014-06-22 00:35:26 Garbee: Just working on a lot of different things at once right now.
2014-06-22 00:35:34 eliezerb: Garbee: cool! haha You're a hero
2014-06-22 00:35:36 Garbee: I see you've been hitting the JS docs today.
2014-06-22 00:35:39 Garbee: Pretty sweet stuff. ;)
2014-06-22 00:35:43 Garbee: Thanks for that.
2014-06-22 00:35:57 eliezerb: Garbee: I'm striking my list of pages for the QA sprint
2014-06-22 00:36:10 Garbee: eliezerb: Just wait until I/O... Cool stuff being announced.
2014-06-22 00:36:18 eliezerb: I was wondering... Well, all the JavaScript pages are with state "Not ready"
2014-06-22 00:36:20 Garbee: oh QA sprint has begun?
2014-06-22 00:36:28 eliezerb: yup!
2014-06-22 00:36:35 Garbee: I saw the new flags are live, didn't see an email about the sprint.
2014-06-22 00:36:48 Garbee: Ok, time to go search my email.
2014-06-22 00:37:39 eliezerb: Garbee: 12 June
2014-06-22 00:37:43 eliezerb: From Amelia
2014-06-22 00:40:03 Garbee: ugh, that's why I never saw it starting.
2014-06-22 00:40:09 Garbee: "Last call" in the subject.
2014-06-22 00:40:17 Garbee: I ignored that since she confirmed with me here that I would help out.
2014-06-22 00:40:26 Garbee: I was waiting for a subject that it had begun.
2014-06-22 00:40:31 Garbee: fml
2014-06-22 00:40:37 eliezerb: Garbee: I just saw your email on the list of contributors
2014-06-22 00:40:43 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/June2014_QA_Sprint
2014-06-22 00:41:57 Garbee: Ok, at least now I know what I need to look over.
2014-06-22 00:42:00 Garbee: Thanks elizer.
2014-06-22 00:42:17 eliezerb: Garbee: :D glad to help
2014-06-22 00:42:39 Garbee: Now to actually get it done this week.
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2014-06-22 00:51:21 Garbee: Ok, is it just me or does this actually look ready? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/filesystem/EntrySync/isFile  Just a simple property, I can't think of anything else that could be added.
2014-06-22 00:52:56 eliezerb: Garbee: Still needs example
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2014-06-22 00:53:56 Garbee: An example of using a returned boolean?
2014-06-22 00:55:12 eliezerb: Garbee: Well, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array/isArray
2014-06-22 00:56:44 Garbee: Ok, I can see that kind of example.
2014-06-22 00:57:59 eliezerb: Garbee: I'm wondering if I am checking too much pages with "Not ready"
2014-06-22 00:58:02 Garbee: Alright, now that I have kindof an idea what I'm doing I'll see how to divvy up my time this week to get this stuff done.
2014-06-22 00:58:32 Garbee: eliezerb: nope. A lot of this stuff isn't ready. However, I also think like in the situation of isFile we could use some discussion over exactly what should be included.
2014-06-22 00:59:00 Garbee: Because just like that, to me it looks fine since I have a basic understanding of how it would work without looking at anything else (which is what we want from this material.)
2014-06-22 00:59:40 Garbee: An example for just getting/using/expected results seems wasteful imo and is just adding to docs that need to be maintained.
2014-06-22 00:59:49 eliezerb: Garbee: sounds nice! Did you checked that section called Checklist > http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/June2014_QA_Sprint
2014-06-22 01:00:03 Garbee: Yea, read over it.
2014-06-22 01:00:11 Garbee: Wiki = not a good place for a checklist.
2014-06-22 01:00:28 eliezerb: Since almost nobody worked on JavaScript pages yet
2014-06-22 01:00:46 eliezerb: Makes sense check most of the pages as not ready and verifying if they are in the right place
2014-06-22 01:01:05 eliezerb: for example: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/regular_expression and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/RegExp
2014-06-22 01:02:07 Garbee: Yea, the duplicate thing is going to become an issue. Especially if we don't search around and verify there aren't any other duplicate pages before checking these off (like I just did.)
2014-06-22 01:02:59 eliezerb: I can understand now the reason to check all the pages manually
2014-06-22 01:03:11 eliezerb: These issues are hard to track
2014-06-22 01:03:14 Garbee: oh yea.
2014-06-22 01:03:18 Garbee: That has always been needed.
2014-06-22 01:03:29 eliezerb: clean up the mess!
2014-06-22 01:03:32 Garbee: Until the rediness markers though, we haven't had a real good way to track what has been reviewed and what hasn't.
2014-06-22 01:04:11 eliezerb: Jen and Amelia and other folks did a great/awesome/super cool work
2014-06-22 01:04:13 Garbee: I for instance could have flagged quite a few pages in the early days. But there was no way to check over if anything had been done or what other pages had been manually marked since they were mostly pre-tagged with all kinds of flags.
2014-06-22 01:04:34 Garbee: There was an "unreviewed import" flag, but who knows what it means to take that off.
2014-06-22 01:04:41 Garbee: This system is much better imo.
2014-06-22 01:04:46 Garbee: Also cleaner.
2014-06-22 01:04:57 eliezerb: Garbee: Yeah! It's much easier to recommend were new folks can start
2014-06-22 01:05:18 Garbee: Also to just find out what to work on after this.
2014-06-22 01:05:28 eliezerb: yup
2014-06-22 01:05:43 Garbee: Oh well, I'm off to bed. Getting late for me.
2014-06-22 01:06:01 Garbee: See you later, and thanks for working on the docs.
2014-06-22 01:06:50 eliezerb: Garbee: See you! Thank you for always being around!
2014-06-22 01:10:06 eliezerb: woa
2014-06-22 01:11:05 eliezerb: renoirb: Just to let you know, got a 503
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2014-06-22 03:52:19 renoirb: Hey eliezerb, just got your message
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2014-06-24 10:27:04 emerson: shepazu: do you know what the plan is for DOM interfaces and members that the WHATWG DOM has deprecated? Are we marking them deprecated as well or are we sticking with the DOM Level 3?
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2014-06-24 10:30:17 Garbee: emerson: I would think for now we stick to the W3C standards over the WG.
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2014-06-24 11:01:41 emerson: okay thanks Garbee
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2014-06-24 16:00:26 renoirb: emerson, we document what browser vendors are implementing, not necessarily all the specs.
2014-06-24 16:00:39 renoirb: hi :)
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2014-06-24 16:46:35 emerson: renoirb: sounds good, thanks
2014-06-24 16:46:47 emerson: and hello to you too :)
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2014-06-24 17:02:27 eliot: Anyone know if there's a meeting now? I didn't see a cancellation....
2014-06-24 17:03:03 emerson: eliot: shepazu just sent a cancellation email
2014-06-24 17:03:47 eliot: emerson: thanks! didn't hit my inbox yet. More time for verifying readiness states. :)
2014-06-24 17:04:54 shepazu: eliot, I also sent you a private email :)
2014-06-24 17:06:45 shepazu: emerson, regarding DOM interfaces, we'll be doing what DOM 3 and DOM 4 say
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2014-06-24 17:12:42 emerson: shepazu: okay thanks. So if it's deprecated in Level 4, I should make it deprecated in the docs?
2014-06-24 17:13:19 shepazu: emerson, yeah, if that's what the W3C version of the spec says
2014-06-24 17:13:46 shepazu: emerson, to be clear, it's not about where the info comes from, but rather what best reflects reality
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2014-06-24 17:15:16 shepazu: in most cases, the WHATWG specs also reflect implementation facts, but sometimes it's more speculative or proactive, while at W3C, we have testing requirements that limit what the spec can claim
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2014-06-24 17:18:34 emerson: shepazu: cool, i think i got it now
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2014-06-24 17:29:30 eliezerb: Hey folks!
2014-06-24 17:29:37 eliezerb: renoirb: are you there?
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2014-06-24 18:14:12 shepazu: eliezerb, renoirb is off today
2014-06-24 18:14:22 eliezerb: shepazu: oh! cool
2014-06-24 18:14:36 eliezerb: I was wondering about JS Method and JS Function...
2014-06-24 18:15:09 eliezerb: I'm not a JavaScript expert, but I would like to know if maybe both terms mean the same thing
2014-06-24 18:15:24 shepazu: eliezerb, no, not really
2014-06-24 18:15:47 shepazu: but it depends on what the context is
2014-06-24 18:16:08 eliezerb: Let's take the Array concept page
2014-06-24 18:16:30 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2014-06-24 18:16:40 eliezerb: The section for Functions and Methods
2014-06-24 18:17:17 eliezerb: I'm wondering if we should have only one section for both pages
2014-06-24 18:17:31 eliezerb: Or at least some explanation about the difference between them
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2014-06-24 18:28:25 shepazu: eliezerb, I think you should raise that issue on the list
2014-06-24 18:29:15 eliezerb: shepazu: Ok! I'll do that soon! Thank you!
2014-06-24 18:29:27 shepazu: thank you!
2014-06-24 18:29:35 eliezerb: I've other quick questions about QA Sprint
2014-06-24 18:30:09 eliezerb: I'll write here and later if you or someone else read it, feel free to answer :)
2014-06-24 18:30:49 eliezerb: 1) Unreviwed imports, should be taken as Not ready / In Progress / Almost Done?
2014-06-24 18:32:04 eliezerb: 2) Some Glossary pages like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/recommendation are "Ready", but they're not being used in other places. Should I take them as ready anyway?
2014-06-24 18:32:09 eliezerb: That's it, thanks!
2014-06-24 18:51:47 renoirb: eliezerb, a method is a function that has no use outside of an object it participates in
2014-06-24 18:56:18 renoirb: So the Math.PI is a property, but Math.pow(2,2) (i.e. 2^2) is a method of the Math object.
2014-06-24 18:57:09 eliezerb: renoirb: Can you give some example of function for the Math object?
2014-06-24 18:58:35 renoirb: console.dir(Math)
2014-06-24 18:59:00 renoirb: you have properties that are CAPITALIZED and you will see also in the developer tools the functions
2014-06-24 18:59:27 renoirb: A good example on the basics can be seen in this book < http://addyosmani.github.io/backbone-fundamentals/
2014-06-24 18:59:48 renoirb: He explains very well basics
2014-06-24 18:59:57 renoirb: objects, and how to separate concerns.
2014-06-24 19:00:07 renoirb: (not that its related directly to your question, i thought you'd enjoy)
2014-06-24 19:00:28 eliezerb: renoirb: cool! I'll add to my Favorties
2014-06-24 19:00:41 eliezerb: renoirb: My main doubt is about out object pages
2014-06-24 19:00:47 eliezerb: Like that Array page
2014-06-24 19:00:57 eliezerb: What should be listed as a method and as function
2014-06-24 19:01:30 renoirb: console.dir(Array) :)
2014-06-24 19:01:49 renoirb: it returns an object
2014-06-24 19:01:52 renoirb: a function, sorry
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2014-06-24 19:02:27 renoirb: there is a distinction between the two?
2014-06-24 19:03:29 renoirb: Right, eliezerb, got it
2014-06-24 19:03:53 renoirb: It fits my description.
2014-06-24 19:04:25 renoirb: Let me rephrase it:   A Method is a function of an object that is used to impact current instance
2014-06-24 19:04:43 renoirb: Array.isArray(['hi'])
2014-06-24 19:05:11 renoirb: doesn't impact the array (here its ['hi'])
2014-06-24 19:06:20 renoirb: But  ['hi','dude'].join(' ')
2014-06-24 19:06:24 renoirb: would write 'hi dude'
2014-06-24 19:07:49 renoirb: Note that `var hi1 = ['hi', 'dude'];`   has exactly the same kind as if you would `var hi2 = new Array('hi', 'dude');`
2014-06-24 19:08:12 renoirb: Got to go now
2014-06-24 19:08:15 renoirb: hope it clarified things eliezerb
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2014-06-24 19:20:47 eliezerb: renoirb: It's starting to make sense! Thanks a lot!
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2014-07-01 16:43:08 eliezerb: Hey AmeliaBR :D
2014-07-01 16:43:58 AmeliaBR: Hi eliezerb
2014-07-01 16:44:06 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: My house was isolated because of a flood, no Internet for almost seven days
2014-07-01 16:44:14 eliezerb: I'm backing online this week
2014-07-01 16:44:32 AmeliaBR: eek!
2014-07-01 16:45:00 AmeliaBR: And here I thought I was out of touch on vacation!
2014-07-01 16:45:53 AmeliaBR: I mean, I was staying in a house with no wifi, borrowing a blackberry once a day to check email, so very very "roughing it"
2014-07-01 16:46:19 eliezerb: XXI century problems ^^
2014-07-01 16:46:28 AmeliaBR: exactly
2014-07-01 16:46:50 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Do we have untul July, 7th to finish those pages?
2014-07-01 16:46:54 eliezerb: unitl*
2014-07-01 16:47:38 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I was thinking about theses concept pages... http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/centered
2014-07-01 16:47:41 AmeliaBR: I guess so.  I'd originally asked for July 1, but hardly anyone else is done, so I've been egging people on...
2014-07-01 16:47:46 eliezerb: Did you saw some of them?
2014-07-01 16:48:02 eliezerb: s/theses/these
2014-07-01 16:48:47 AmeliaBR: I did notice the glossary pages just yesterday.
2014-07-01 16:48:53 eliezerb: I'm checking them as ready, because they are ready, but these pages are not being linked by any other pages
2014-07-01 16:49:17 eliezerb: So, they are just pages, with some explanations that are not being used
2014-07-01 16:49:26 AmeliaBR: There is a use for that content, and as you say they are good as they are, but they should really be organized differently...
2014-07-01 16:50:00 eliezerb: Yup, under the root is not a really place to put that content
2014-07-01 16:50:14 eliezerb: s/really/really good
2014-07-01 16:50:42 AmeliaBR: One of the other reasons for doing the massive content review was to remind everyone of what's out there, this is exactly the sort of thing that we can forget exists because it's not linked to anything
2014-07-01 16:51:25 eliezerb: Yeap
2014-07-01 16:52:42 AmeliaBR: I would definitely recommend moving them all into a glossary/ path, but then we would also probably want to put a link to the glossary on the main page, and remind people to link to the definitions whenever using these sorts of terms.
2014-07-01 16:53:03 eliezerb: Sounds cool
2014-07-01 16:53:21 eliezerb: I'm storing a spreadsheet with the content that I think that needs to be merged
2014-07-01 16:53:44 eliezerb: We have two places to store RegExp information
2014-07-01 16:53:52 eliezerb: And so
2014-07-01 16:54:06 eliezerb: But I'll left this kind of comment to my final report
2014-07-01 16:54:21 AmeliaBR: Awesome.  Do you want to send a note to the email list summing up the above, and asking if anyone else has found similar random content, in order to establish a proper TODO for after the readiness review?
2014-07-01 16:55:20 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I think we need the grab this reports at the end
2014-07-01 16:55:31 eliezerb: Otherwise some stuff will be lost
2014-07-01 16:55:51 AmeliaBR: fair enough
2014-07-01 16:56:02 eliezerb: I need to run out for a couple of hours
2014-07-01 16:56:12 eliezerb: Maybe tonight I do a Sprint to finish at least more 50 pages
2014-07-01 16:56:21 eliezerb: :)
2014-07-01 16:56:27 eliezerb: See you later!
2014-07-01 16:56:42 eliezerb: Thanks AmeliaBR for the help, and congrats again for the super awesome work :D
2014-07-01 16:58:18 AmeliaBR: no problem, eliezerb.  thanks for the feedback
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2014-07-03 18:15:50 jensimmons: took me a while to remember my IRC password… was locked out for a week or so there
2014-07-03 18:16:00 eliezerb: jensimmons: hey you!
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2014-07-04 18:53:14 AmeliaBR: Pinging RenoirB.  FYI that your upgrade wiki is showing up in Google search results -- and somehow shows up ranked slightly ahead of the real wiki.  Maybe add in the no-robots or whatever else you use to hide the test wiki?
2014-07-04 18:55:37 renoirb: Hi AmeliaBR
2014-07-04 18:55:48 renoirb: currently doing readiness review
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2014-07-04 22:41:36 renoirb: AmeliaBR yt?
2014-07-04 22:42:02 renoirb: Hey Rastus_Vernon, are you there?
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2014-07-04 23:18:30 AmeliaBR: renoirb: I'm back.  What's up?
2014-07-04 23:19:05 renoirb: I have two interresting cases:
2014-07-04 23:19:25 renoirb: 1. TEST:... that I have no idea what to do with them
2014-07-04 23:19:49 renoirb: 2. Page that lists other pages to use a summary but have a full form to them (that is empty).
2014-07-04 23:19:55 renoirb: AmeliaBR ^
2014-07-04 23:21:51 AmeliaBR: I noticed the TEST: pages.  My guess is they can be marked for deletion?  They've pretty much been replaced by the test wiki, right?  Or are they still used as "playground" pages?
2014-07-04 23:22:23 AmeliaBR: Can you give me a link to the other case? (renoirb)
2014-07-04 23:23:28 renoirb: The test wiki is separate. In fact its two separate installation of MediaWiki, with their own database.
2014-07-04 23:23:34 renoirb: yes, AmeliaBR, answering.
2014-07-04 23:24:08 renoirb: But the /wiki/TEST: pages are probably created when some other content got imported and we didnt wanted to lose the content.
2014-07-04 23:25:04 renoirb: There were many attempts to figure out ways to set content aside for future reference/reuse later when working on a page.
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2014-07-04 23:25:46 AmeliaBR: We could ask at next week's meeting if anyone remembers why these pages were created, and if there is any reason not to get rid of them.
2014-07-04 23:25:46 renoirb: I guess that the concept of marking pages to merge together might be a good idea
2014-07-04 23:26:44 renoirb: Content is good, just that in the workflow of editing a page, a contributor might want to refer to duplicate and then delete (or mark for deletion) the stashed away version.
2014-07-04 23:26:55 renoirb: Let me find an example
2014-07-04 23:29:46 renoirb: When its to merge, note the Editorial/Merge_Candidate page in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Floats_and_clearing   http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Floats_and_clearing   ... see also http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Flags/Merge_Candidate
2014-07-04 23:31:11 renoirb: The page in  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/TEST:beginners   has good content picked from it that could be used in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Beginners  but not necessarily 1on1.  TEST:beginners and other similar pages could have content copy-pasted.
2014-07-04 23:33:49 AmeliaBR: Hmm.  I see.  Because you won't have a clear revision history from the merged-and-deleted page.
2014-07-04 23:34:01 renoirb: That, too.
2014-07-04 23:34:49 renoirb: I think i'll skiip pages with either one of those two cases for now
2014-07-04 23:34:59 AmeliaBR: Is it like that TEST:beginners is actually an older version of the beginners page, and so on for the others?  Just not getting updated
2014-07-04 23:35:18 AmeliaBR: Is it *likely*
2014-07-04 23:35:40 renoirb: I got another interresting case, we have page listing other pages. (let me get back to it, ill answer your question)
2014-07-04 23:36:29 renoirb: it is likely that its old content. But that the new content doesn’t have it too. Maybe because its going too far, or off topic, or just been forgotten to be included back.
2014-07-04 23:38:09 renoirb: A recent situation is the last import of JavaScript pages from MSDN.  We have http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:javascript and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript
2014-07-04 23:38:16 AmeliaBR: Hmm.  We'll definitely have to bring up the TEST namespace at the meeting.  There have been a number of other random things people have discovered that we should decide what to do with (e.g. glossary pages that aren't really used anywhere)
2014-07-04 23:38:23 renoirb: but each sub page of the section do not necessarily match 1on1
2014-07-04 23:38:44 renoirb: Yup, the glossary.
2014-07-04 23:38:50 renoirb: this is what I was about to get back at.
2014-07-04 23:39:39 renoirb: sorry, i mean. The glossary you just mentionned is the third case I found that i wanted to tell you about pages listing other pages
2014-07-04 23:39:52 AmeliaBR: Oh yeah, that whole Meta: branch would all be merge candidates, but someone needs to go through and find any useful content
2014-07-04 23:41:01 renoirb: I think the glossary is nice, but we should make it obvious by creating top level parent (e.g. wiki/glossary/terms/absolute_unit instead of wiki/absolute_unit
2014-07-04 23:42:19 renoirb: This is a situation where it shows many attempts to do the same thing.  Either you use a parent, and you ask it to list its children until x level of depth, OR you include a template and list pages that has that template.
2014-07-04 23:42:37 renoirb: In the case of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/absolute_unit is one
2014-07-04 23:42:42 renoirb: has both.
2014-07-04 23:42:49 AmeliaBR: Agreed  (re glossary).  I was discussing with EliezerB the other day and he thought the same as well.  But there also should then be a link to the glossary as a whole from the main page, so that people remember it's there when they are editing, and link to the definitions when using those terms!
2014-07-04 23:43:07 renoirb: yup
2014-07-04 23:43:20 renoirb: You can have a look at the beginner section, i revamped it a bit.
2014-07-04 23:43:29 AmeliaBR: On the listing pages:  there are two issues from a readiness perspective -- the quality of the listing format, and the quality of other content on the page
2014-07-04 23:43:32 renoirb: more than just doing the steps at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/June2014_QA_Sprint
2014-07-04 23:44:06 renoirb: Its at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Beginners   you will see i created a template for "Beginners section submenu"  and each subpages are listed and you know where you are on that section.
2014-07-04 23:44:16 renoirb: all with a parent namespace "/wiki/Beginners/whatever"
2014-07-04 23:44:53 renoirb: right, we want to see what is good. Then, finding ways to associate content might be another sprint
2014-07-04 23:45:45 renoirb: The Beginners also has a glossary though http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Beginners/glossary
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2014-07-04 23:46:33 AmeliaBR: I'm not sure we want to get in the habit of creating templates with specific data in them -- templates should really be used to apply formatting on data we can get from the database
2014-07-04 23:47:27 AmeliaBR: But that said, in many cases like that creating a custom table of contents (in the main page, or in a non-template subpage included in a template-like fashion) makes sense.
2014-07-04 23:47:53 AmeliaBR: However, in other cases that would be too much work, and difficult to keep up to date
2014-07-04 23:48:05 AmeliaBR: E.g., a listing page like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/svg/objects
2014-07-04 23:48:56 renoirb: Agreed. But I was copy pasting this submenu and couldn’t have a <subpages /> tag. Because of two things  1)  it was including the translation pages    2) It was not the page title that we were getting, but just the name of the page link  (e.g. "html" from /wiki/Beginners/html  instead of "Part 4: Structuring our content with HTML")
2014-07-04 23:49:29 AmeliaBR: I marked that "Not Ready" with the suggestion that there should be some actual content about SVG DOM objects, but the listing itself just needs better formatting (as we've been discussing on the email list)
2014-07-04 23:50:06 renoirb looking at svg/objects
2014-07-04 23:50:21 AmeliaBR: Yes, those are good reasons for creating a custom table of contents -- my only concern was that you shouldn't have created it as a template, since it will only be used once.
2014-07-04 23:51:25 AmeliaBR: This appears to be the last email in the thread on cleaning up listing formatting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0014.html
2014-07-04 23:51:50 renoirb: Its used in all subpages of beginners, oh, right. Maybe as /wiki/Beginners/Navigation but I think i cannot call it as an include then.
2014-07-04 23:52:49 renoirb: Right. Its hard for me to spend time coding and reviewing content in an editorial work mode.
2014-07-04 23:53:04 AmeliaBR: I'm pretty sure you can include any page as if it were a template.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion
2014-07-04 23:53:10 renoirb: I almost never done that here, only now with this QA sprint project.
2014-07-04 23:53:49 AmeliaBR: An interesting change of pace, I'm sure -- actually reading the content!
2014-07-04 23:54:19 renoirb: I did a bit more of my share in the beginners guide, i reworded some pages, explained things that were not there.
2014-07-04 23:55:46 renoirb: Ok, lets bring that to the table again at the meeting.  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0014.html
2014-07-04 23:56:09 AmeliaBR: Glad to hear you got a little writing it. For the table of contents,  if you moved Template:Beginners_submenu to Beginners/submenu (i.e., just an ordinary page), then you could include it in the other pages as {{:Beginners/submenu}}
2014-07-04 23:56:30 renoirb: I exactly did what Doug was suggesting.  There must be a way to categorize and list sub pages that would work well.
2014-07-04 23:57:17 renoirb: Or, If we make a template, we can tell which non template page has the hardcoded index (so the template will render a page, threfore ONE template will be used regardless of the content)
2014-07-04 23:58:01 AmeliaBR: The options for doing lists get better once the QAReview is done -- one of the problem was pages that didn't have the {{Page Title}} template, and so didn't have the Path property set, so you couldn't do any sort of query based on the file path
2014-07-04 23:59:34 AmeliaBR: I like the idea of having a standard format/file path for defining a custom table of contents.  That way, we could have the default listing template, but still have options for customization by creating the appropriate sub-page.
2014-07-04 23:59:35 renoirb: Oh, i didn’t know we can do {{:Beginners/whatever}}  the : is for the parent namespace, if we put none, i guess it will use the Template: namespace instead.
2014-07-04 23:59:58 renoirb: Many of them have {{Pate_Title}} is it the same?
2014-07-05 00:00:04 AmeliaBR: Yes, I had to look that up, couldn't remember how to do it?
2014-07-05 00:00:17 renoirb: ok
2014-07-05 00:00:20 AmeliaBR: Page_Title is the same as Page Title
2014-07-05 00:00:38 renoirb: Funny, but beginners is NOT the same as Beginners
2014-07-05 00:00:59 renoirb: %20 escaping is nice though
2014-07-05 00:01:10 AmeliaBR: The weirdness of Mediawiki.  Spaces and _ are equal, but case is strict!
2014-07-05 00:01:33 renoirb: indeed.
2014-07-05 00:02:17 renoirb: Would you mind sending an Agenda email for the next meeting with what we discussed ?
2014-07-05 00:03:58 AmeliaBR: I will.  I'll also invite other people who have been doing the QA Review to add any other quirks or problems that they've discovered.
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2014-07-05 00:07:03 renoirb: that's the idea, people will have the weekend and monday to add their ideas
2014-07-05 00:07:12 renoirb: and take shepazu in advance
2014-07-05 00:07:37 shepazu: and give shepazu time to do his assignment :P
2014-07-05 00:12:03 AmeliaBR: Hmm, yes: he seems to be trying to wait it out so that he can really get the "sprint" rush in!
2014-07-05 00:18:15 AmeliaBR: BTW renoirb: on the glossary issue, what I'd agreed with eliezerb was to assign them readiness states based on the content (e.g., if it is a good glossary entry, it can be assigned Ready-to-Use), and deal with the organizing issue separately.
2014-07-05 00:18:46 renoirb: makes sense. will do that then
2014-07-05 00:18:52 renoirb: ok, got to go now.
2014-07-05 00:18:54 renoirb: ttyl :)
2014-07-05 00:22:04 renoirb: Oh, BTW AmeliaBR, did you notice the tools menu now has an entry 'code sample editor'
2014-07-05 00:22:10 renoirb: I added this recently
2014-07-05 00:26:01 AmeliaBR: Yes, I did notice that.  Smart addition.  Take care.
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2014-07-05 18:36:29 eliezerb: Hey folks! Any idea if I should add the reference to the spec of SVG 1.1 or SVG 2 on the doc pages?
2014-07-05 18:36:46 shepazu: eliezerb, SVG 1.1
2014-07-05 18:38:21 eliezerb: shepazu: Thanks! There is a lot of pages on SVG section, and also a lot to do
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2014-07-07 17:58:25 frozenice: hey renoirb_
2014-07-07 17:59:57 frozenice: sorry for not being around, I'm currently pretty entangled in the 'real world' ;)
2014-07-07 18:00:15 frozenice: I read your mails, though
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2014-07-07 18:48:03 renoirb_: Hi frozenice, i'm onto it
2014-07-07 18:48:15 frozenice: cool
2014-07-07 18:48:16 renoirb_: I just finished talking with shepazu about that, I had some digging https://source.webplatform.org/r/plugins/gitblit-plugin/commit/?r=mdn-compat-importer.git&h=9daeb7467324e079675311d4b1a73d21a6ae3ad6
2014-07-07 18:48:31 renoirb_: we got a solution, wont be too hard to fix
2014-07-07 18:48:45 renoirb_: I have this here: https://source.webplatform.org/r/plugins/gitblit-plugin/blob/?f=README.md&r=mdn-compat-importer.git&h=9daeb7467324e079675311d4b1a73d21a6ae3ad6
2014-07-07 18:48:58 renoirb_: that shows how to dig in the data using underscroe-clie
2014-07-07 18:49:05 renoirb_: underscore-cli
2014-07-07 18:51:45 renoirb_: frozenice, we got the same conclusions. After a conversation with Doug, i'm about to adjust and all will be fine.
2014-07-07 18:51:57 frozenice: sounds good
2014-07-07 18:52:12 renoirb_: we are basically adding a level deeper.
2014-07-07 18:52:28 frozenice: we need to go deeper!
2014-07-07 18:52:36 renoirb_: {data: {svg: {a: {}}, html: {a: {}}}}
2014-07-07 18:53:36 shepazu: frozenice, was that an Inception reference?
2014-07-07 18:53:41 frozenice: aye
2014-07-07 18:53:43 renoirb_: hahaha
2014-07-07 18:53:45 shepazu: :P
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2014-07-08 15:59:00 AmeliaBR: REGISTER ab@irc4wpd amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com
2014-07-08 15:59:17 AmeliaBR: That wasn't supposed to display!!!
2014-07-08 15:59:44 emerson: AmeliaBR: wrong channel :)
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2014-07-08 16:01:17 AmeliaBR: @emerson.  Yup.  But when I tried it in the "status" channel I got the message "Can't use this command in this window"
2014-07-08 16:01:39 AmeliaBR: Turned out the magic was "/msg NickServ "
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2014-07-08 16:02:30 AmeliaBR: I was getting bad advice: http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1940
2014-07-08 16:03:36 emerson: ah, i see. P.S. i'm going to try to get my chunk of the QA sprint done tonight
2014-07-08 16:03:49 emerson: got a bit behind with the holiday and work
2014-07-08 16:04:28 frozenice: hi AmeliaBR :)
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2014-07-08 16:05:04 AmeliaBR: Hi fro.  So, finally registered nickname.  But not with the password I mistakenly revealed to the world above...
2014-07-08 16:05:16 frozenice: I noticed
2014-07-08 16:07:43 AmeliaBR: @emerson Thanks for letting me know.  If I know that you are plugging away on yours I can encourage other people to address other gaps -- there are a couple volunteers whom I haven't heard back from since sending out the article lists.
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2014-07-08 17:00:48 shepazu: hi, folks, stay tuned!
2014-07-08 17:01:40 shepazu: gah!
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2014-07-08 17:02:51 renoirb_: Eliot and Julee are with me
2014-07-08 17:02:52 renoirb_: shepazu ^
2014-07-08 17:03:43 jensimmons: is there a meeting today?
2014-07-08 17:03:50 shepazu: renoirb_, oh, on appear.in?
2014-07-08 17:03:57 jensimmons: if so, what’s the conference call information?? the old info isn’t working.
2014-07-08 17:04:03 shepazu: jensimmons, yeah, but W3.org is having problems
2014-07-08 17:04:24 renoirb_: yes shepazu
2014-07-08 17:04:58 shepazu: jensimmons, https://appear.in/webplatform
2014-07-08 17:05:16 renoirb_: https://appear.in/webplatform
2014-07-08 17:07:16 renoirb_: Can we go audio only from here
2014-07-08 17:07:20 renoirb_: maybe itll be better
2014-07-08 17:09:26 jensimmons: so what’s the new info?
2014-07-08 17:10:16 shepazu: jensimmons, we have the regular phone bridge now
2014-07-08 17:10:21 shepazu: sorry for the delay
2014-07-08 17:10:47 renoirb_: Dave Gash is with us. [youtu.be/3yYZa-70u_M The unicorn] :P
2014-07-08 17:11:31 jensimmons: it was nice to see everyone, even if only for a moment
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2014-07-08 17:12:05 jensimmons: this one might be better: https://talky.io/
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2014-07-08 17:12:47 AmeliaBR: Eliot has set up a conference call at +14257063500 or +18883203585 (in North America) Conference ID: 110604328
2014-07-08 17:13:11 shepazu: eliot, AmeliaBR, we now have the regular phone bridge
2014-07-08 17:13:12 AmeliaBR: There are international bridge numbers here https://join.microsoft.com/dialin
2014-07-08 17:13:28 AmeliaBR: Zakim is up and running?  OK, just a sec...
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2014-07-08 17:14:38 eliot: Oh, sure. I'll there in a minute.
2014-07-08 17:15:47 eliot: lol
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2014-07-08 17:17:53 AmeliaBR: Starting meeting (a little late)
2014-07-08 17:18:08 AmeliaBR: First TOPIC:  How to deal with w3.org going down?
2014-07-08 17:18:38 AmeliaBR: shepazu: webplatform.org does have its own email server, if need be
2014-07-08 17:18:39 renoirb volunteers typing
2014-07-08 17:18:45 renoirb: thanks Eliot
2014-07-08 17:18:46 AmeliaBR: ... but it's not often an issue
2014-07-08 17:18:50 renoirb is muted
2014-07-08 17:18:58 renoirb: scribenick: renoirb
2014-07-08 17:19:08 eliot: AmeliaBR: Quick recap of where we're are.
2014-07-08 17:19:24 renoirb: Amelia: Accepted proposal to be leading topic of QASprint/2014-july
2014-07-08 17:19:39 renoirb: ... we are not quite at 50% still lots to go
2014-07-08 17:19:48 renoirb: ... good progress though
2014-07-08 17:20:06 renoirb: Doug: (mea cupla) had multiple travel and couldn’t do much
2014-07-08 17:20:11 renoirb: ... hopefully will do more next week
2014-07-08 17:20:15 renoirb: ... and double efforts
2014-07-08 17:20:32 renoirb: ... julee said in an email that she also
2014-07-08 17:20:42 renoirb: (Jen chiming-in about being also late)
2014-07-08 17:21:07 renoirb: (There will be at least 3 people in a NewWave)
2014-07-08 17:21:51 renoirb: ... maybe we could setup time
2014-07-08 17:22:47 renoirb: ALL: Agreeing to setup work sprint for a few on Thursday Afternoon PT
2014-07-08 17:23:04 renoirb: ... subscribers: Julee, Shepazu
2014-07-08 17:23:45 renoirb: Amalia: Or just start working whenever we can and just shout it out on the channel
2014-07-08 17:24:08 eliot: Yay, Dave!
2014-07-08 17:24:20 renoirb: Dave: (Offered to work on Jen list starting from bottom)
2014-07-08 17:24:39 renoirb: Amelia (resumes): I expect will have reports
2014-07-08 17:25:00 renoirb: ... i'm finding that sections i'm going through are mostly not ready. Occasional ones are though.
2014-07-08 17:25:21 renoirb: ... lots of little quirky things and guide to those
2014-07-08 17:25:30 AmeliaBR: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jul/0025.html
2014-07-08 17:25:31 renoirb: ... sent an email to help on the quirks
2014-07-08 17:25:57 renoirb: ... ^ AmeliaBR link is there to help with those quirks
2014-07-08 17:28:03 renoirb: ... among issues we have multiple templates to address
2014-07-08 17:28:18 renoirb: ... if there are other areas to take care, we will have to make another sprint
2014-07-08 17:30:44 renoirb: Jen: Thank you so much Amelia for this project
2014-07-08 17:31:19 eliot: +1
2014-07-08 17:31:23 renoirb: ... if we can even get further to remove confusion, let’s remove all TEST: namespace and Meta:... or what we can do is to just move them completely out of the main wiki
2014-07-08 17:31:53 renoirb: ... maybe we just have this separate wiki but most importantly unclutter the docs
2014-07-08 17:32:02 renoirb agrees on Jen proposa
2014-07-08 17:32:14 renoirb: shepazu: Maybe we should update/add tasks in the issue tracker for those
2014-07-08 17:32:20 renoirb: Jen: (agrees)
2014-07-08 17:32:31 renoirb: Amelia: Use the system we have and make it in manageable system
2014-07-08 17:32:38 renoirb: ...
2014-07-08 17:33:05 renoirb: (agrees: Jen, Shepazu, Renoirb, Amelia)
2014-07-08 17:34:00 renoirb: Julee: Maybe we should have some conventions (its a bit confusing)
2014-07-08 17:34:08 renoirb: ... maybe we should have some tagging.
2014-07-08 17:34:37 renoirb: ... also, maybe we should state the priorities and create issue tracker meetings
2014-07-08 17:34:53 renoirb: shepazu agrees: "We gotta start somewhre" :)
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2014-07-08 17:35:21 renoirb: (Julee: Agrees, but there’s a lot and confusing, we still should have this categorization. Then will make it clera)
2014-07-08 17:36:23 renoirb: shepazu: a big efforts makes me feel it will make it too big and no progress, lets’ find quick wins.  Do you have a proposal for that?
2014-07-08 17:36:44 renoirb: Julee: I'll try to think of something
2014-07-08 17:37:40 renoirb: (oops, forgot that detail)  proposed by Jen: How about create
2014-07-08 17:37:57 renoirb: ... a section in the wiki where we document those edge cases from the QASprint
2014-07-08 17:38:07 renoirb: (resuming to issue tracker)
2014-07-08 17:38:34 renoirb: Amelia: I'm proposing that we make the next big push to clean the issue tracker
2014-07-08 17:38:50 renoirb: Jen: Maybe we just can start using it (in sync to Shepazu's earlier proposal)
2014-07-08 17:38:57 renoirb: ... focussing on doing things
2014-07-08 17:39:16 renoirb: shepazu: I think its a good compromise
2014-07-08 17:39:21 renoirb: ... we find a way to tag new issues
2014-07-08 17:39:34 renoirb: ... and then through meeting update issues about that
2014-07-08 17:39:50 renoirb: ... and use the issue tracker during Community meetings and update
2014-07-08 17:40:15 renoirb: ... we should make it more central so we keep it in front of our eyes
2014-07-08 17:40:24 renoirb: ... i like to have issues in this instead of email
2014-07-08 17:40:38 renoirb: Jen: i'm looking at it right now
2014-07-08 17:41:30 renoirb: ... enjoys this tool it "feels powerful"
2014-07-08 17:41:59 renoirb: ... (maybe its overkill)
2014-07-08 17:42:03 chrismills_: Quit: Off to find beer and rock and roll...
2014-07-08 17:42:20 renoirb: ... maybe we should focus to pick a very basic
2014-07-08 17:42:39 renoirb: ... figure a way to make it way more simple
2014-07-08 17:42:57 renoirb: Julee: The problem with a very simple tool creates a "blob"
2014-07-08 17:43:16 renoirb: ... if we do not have someone who prioritize the bugs, we do not have a focus to work on them
2014-07-08 17:43:39 renoirb: ... maybe we should spend time and remove "bells and whistle"
2014-07-08 17:44:20 renoirb: ... to make bug simpler and still function as a priorotizing system is possible. But the main thing is that someone have to commit on them
2014-07-08 17:44:26 renoirb: ... to keep it updated
2014-07-08 17:46:00 renoirb: Shepazu: What /kind/ of people should we need on such a tag team
2014-07-08 17:46:30 renoirb: Julee: A "project manager", and maybe two more including, at least, one technical person who can validate the issue
2014-07-08 17:49:52 renoirb: Agrees: Renoir, Jen, Julee
2014-07-08 17:50:02 renoirb: Julee: Would you like to join us Amelia
2014-07-08 17:50:11 renoirb: ... i'm very excited about this
2014-07-08 17:50:36 renoirb: ... we should just purge things and make it simple
2014-07-08 17:52:17 AmeliaBR: Pinging Garbee if you're around:  Will you be able to help give people power to re-arrange/organize Bug Genie?
2014-07-08 17:58:40 renoirb: AmeliaBR, your account in bug genie
2014-07-08 17:58:47 renoirb: Garbee, no need to update amelia
2014-07-08 17:58:56 renoirb: Also, I updated Eliot as an administrator
2014-07-08 17:59:19 renoirb: shepazu: Just to add another aspect, Amelia correctly diagnosed an issue on the compatibility tables
2014-07-08 17:59:44 renoirb: ... renoir sent an email describing the issue and the planned work to resolve the problem
2014-07-08 17:59:51 renoirb: [Meeting Adjourned
2014-07-08 17:59:53 renoirb: ]
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2014-07-09 23:51:26 julee: renoirb or anyone: wondering about the question Rob^_^ posed on the list
2014-07-09 23:51:41 renoirb: oh, i didnt looked at the list today, sorry.
2014-07-09 23:52:05 renoirb: Got in the middle of server baby-sitting (monitoring complaing, but services are up)
2014-07-09 23:52:10 renoirb: julee ^
2014-07-09 23:52:18 julee: Just thinking: If someone has an xml — or another file format that's not approved for uploading — can they do a pull request somewhere maybe?
2014-07-09 23:52:40 julee: no biggie. I was just wondering.
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2014-07-09 23:53:53 julee: & then maybe we could post it off of webplatform.github.io
2014-07-09 23:55:12 julee: Just had a problem like this myself this month. sierra had to host some content off of his site.
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2014-07-09 23:59:26 renoirb: julee, can you add this as an issue. I agree with you.
2014-07-09 23:59:30 renoirb: no biggie
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2014-07-10 00:02:11 renoirb: julee, i just updated the new compat data http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/inprogress-human.json
2014-07-10 00:02:35 renoirb: you can see at the bottom the 'folders', its the big categories to separate instead of everything in one
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2014-07-10 17:18:49 julee: hi, shepazu & all. I know I said I'd see you online in about an hour for flags, but it looks like it'll be more like 2 hours. See you then.
2014-07-10 17:19:16 shepazu: ok
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2014-07-10 18:10:00 renoirb: ok julee
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2014-07-10 20:45:40 julee: hi shepazu & all!
2014-07-10 20:45:52 shepazu: hi, julee ]
2014-07-10 20:45:58 julee: Was laggin' - now flaggin' - get used to it! ;-)
2014-07-10 20:46:07 julee: sorry so late...
2014-07-10 20:46:33 shepazu: julee, np… I've been working on something else, and I'm going to dedicate tomorrow to flagging
2014-07-10 20:47:22 julee: sounds good. I answered all my own questions, anyway.
2014-07-10 20:47:29 julee: I'm rolling now.
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2014-07-14 01:22:43 AAA_awright: I'd like to see some more documentation on HTTP, so I noticed a red link to HTTP Methods on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/protocols/http but I can't seem to create the page
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2014-07-14 02:42:01 karlcow: AAA_awright: it is working http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http/methods
2014-07-14 02:43:15 AAA_awright: karlcow: Hmm, your link to e.g. HTTP servers it says I don't have permission to create. New user, maybe?
2014-07-14 02:43:55 AAA_awright: Also, I guess we should link to the new HTTP RFCs?
2014-07-14 02:44:26 AAA_awright: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/documents/
2014-07-14 02:44:41 karlcow: AAA_awright: it's already linked to the new spec :)
2014-07-14 02:44:45 karlcow: RFC 7231
2014-07-14 02:44:48 AAA_awright: We should get a URL bot in here, like in #swig
2014-07-14 02:45:22 AAA_awright: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http/response_status_codes needs some updating, it looks like
2014-07-14 02:45:55 karlcow: for sure :)
2014-07-14 02:49:07 AAA_awright does that
2014-07-14 02:49:13 karlcow: AAA_awright: please do. I was just checking if the page could be created and seems yes.
2014-07-14 02:49:14 karlcow: :)
2014-07-14 02:49:24 karlcow: AAA_awright: thanks! :)
2014-07-14 03:16:58 AAA_awright: There
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2014-07-14 03:56:40 AAA_awright: Maybe someone wants to clean up that table, is there some preferred way to do e.g. checkmarks?
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2014-07-14 18:02:47 jensimmons: yes
2014-07-14 18:02:56 jensimmons: I need you to respond to my skype invite so I can add you
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2014-07-15 17:16:14 AmeliaBR: Meeting notes:
2014-07-15 17:16:44 renoirb: agenda+ compat table wiki templates
2014-07-15 17:16:45 renoirb: ?
2014-07-15 17:16:57 AmeliaBR: First TOPIC: recap of Monday meeting about re-tooling the Issues tracker
2014-07-15 17:17:15 AmeliaBR: ...see Julee's email for details
2014-07-15 17:17:26 AmeliaBR: NEXT TOPIC: Compatibility tables
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2014-07-15 17:17:40 AmeliaBR: Shepazu: we're live.  Since renoirb did most of the work, can he explain?
2014-07-15 17:19:14 AmeliaBR: renoirb: There was the fault we noticed in testing, that some data was being lost because of duplicate keys.  We've therefore changed the data structure to use sub-objects as folders to separate out these elements.  That required changes to the mediawiki extension.  You need to specify the top-level "folder" topic.
2014-07-15 17:19:22 renoirb: updated: docs.webplatform.org/compat/data.json
2014-07-15 17:19:25 renoirb: docs.webplatform.org/compat/data-human.json
2014-07-15 17:19:40 AmeliaBR: ... I also updated the compatibility data & human-readable version (links ^^)
2014-07-15 17:19:47 renoirb: https://github.com/webplatform/compatibility-data
2014-07-15 17:20:12 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/border-radius
2014-07-15 17:20:37 AmeliaBR: julee: Are you saying that, right now, on the website, this information is not available on the website, but the data is somewhere in the background, which you consider "live"?
2014-07-15 17:20:50 AmeliaBR: renoirb: The templates need to be changed...
2014-07-15 17:21:15 renoirb: <compatability feature="css/border-radius" format="table"></compatability>
2014-07-15 17:21:16 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Briefly, what Julee said is correct.  The templates need to be changed to use the information in the database.
2014-07-15 17:22:06 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  What I meant by "live" is that it is available on the main wiki server, and once the templates are changed they can access the data.
2014-07-15 17:22:42 AmeliaBR: ...On some of the pages, like the CSS properties, the template is already available.  But if someone could step in and work on the templates.
2014-07-15 17:23:01 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Template:CSS_Property
2014-07-15 17:23:25 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Is there someone who can do that this week?  I could try to do that,
2014-07-15 17:23:54 renoirb: feature="css/border-raidus'
2014-07-15 17:24:24 AmeliaBR: renoirb: this link on the test wiki already has the working template.  All we need is to change the template so it is possible to over-ride the topic (database keys) that the template uses to access the database.  Sometimes our name is not the same as the MDN.
2014-07-15 17:24:59 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Not to get too deep in the details, but I think this is a top priority.  It's almost done, and if we can get it finished that would be awesome.
2014-07-15 17:25:04 renoirb: shepazu, e.g feature="css/pseudo-active"
2014-07-15 17:25:05 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/selectors/pseudo-classes/:active
2014-07-15 17:25:32 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I agree with Jen.  Renoirb and I can talk about this later and figure it out.  It doesn't sound like too much work.
2014-07-15 17:27:19 AmeliaBR: shepazu: one last thing on this topic.  The MDN folks are also working on improving their compatibility data.  As a gesture of good faith, we should let them know that we have a normalized version of their data, and it's available to support their own efforts to improve.  And longer term, we'll be integrating caniuse and other data, like the test suites.
2014-07-15 17:28:21 AmeliaBR: NEXT TOPIC: QASprint
2014-07-15 17:29:14 AmeliaBR: shepazu: apologies for not working on it myself
2014-07-15 17:29:41 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: our current stats is slightly more than half done: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/QASprints/2014-june
2014-07-15 17:30:20 AmeliaBR: ...not where we hoped to be, but with people chugging away maybe we can get it done by the end of the month.
2014-07-15 17:30:39 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Julee, you did all of yours in one batch in a few hours
2014-07-15 17:31:20 AmeliaBR: Julee: yes, but most of mine were definitely "Not ready" so it was easy to do, except for those in other languages
2014-07-15 17:31:30 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: yes, we'll have to figure those out separately
2014-07-15 17:31:53 AmeliaBR: shepazu: It's mid-July, can we make another push for everyone to get this done
2014-07-15 17:32:32 AmeliaBR: eliot: Just FYI, we do have Dave Gash working on whatever WPD priority we chose, which is currently the QA Review
2014-07-15 17:32:44 AmeliaBR: NEXT TOPIC: Quick update on Single Sign On
2014-07-15 17:33:32 AmeliaBR: shepazu: renoirb still's working on.  One change this week was suspending the Hypothesis annotations system because of confusions from the sign-on and problems with the number of external resources it was pulling in.
2014-07-15 17:33:47 AmeliaBR: ...I'm not sure how easy it will be to streamline that
2014-07-15 17:34:06 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: It's fairly easy to compile multiple CSS files into one with SASS
2014-07-15 17:34:47 AmeliaBR: shepazu: So long as we can still maintain separate branches on the backend.  We'd like to get down to one CSS file for the whole site
2014-07-15 17:36:19 AmeliaBR: shepazu: On the Single Sign On, renoirb's having problems with getting the annotation system to work.  Security restrictions in Internet Explorer are causing problems.  They (developers at Hypothesis) are working on this, and we're working with them.  Currently, you could leave annotations, but they wouldn't "anchor" properly to the page.
2014-07-15 17:36:44 AmeliaBR: ...thanks to Eliot, who has got me in touch with the Microsoft guys, but they don't see an easy work-around either.
2014-07-15 17:37:18 AmeliaBR: OTHER BUSINESS:
2014-07-15 17:37:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: welcome back Alex.  Any points?
2014-07-15 17:38:29 AmeliaBR: Alex:  One question: would it be possible to retrieve a structured JSON feed of all the CSS properties and data?  The Chrome Dev team would love to have access to this...
2014-07-15 17:38:35 renoirb: Alex: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=newusers&leprop=timestamp|title|user|userid&lelimit=40&format=json
2014-07-15 17:38:43 AmeliaBR: Renoirb: Yeah, we could talk about this
2014-07-15 17:39:01 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I think it should be possible.  Can we follow up on this next week?
2014-07-15 17:39:33 AmeliaBR: eliot: Can we conduct this discussion on the public list?  I would be interested as well, and I think a lot of people would be interested in an API to our content
2014-07-15 17:40:14 AmeliaBR: julee:  We did something like this last year, in Brackets, our code is in Github.  We only pulled in Summaries, getting it at the JSON object level
2014-07-15 17:40:48 AmeliaBR: ...one other thing we did that was interesting; we pulled the data all into our own database first, for security reasons, instead of working with live data from WPD
2014-07-15 17:40:59 AmeliaBR: renoirb: that would be a performance issue
2014-07-15 17:41:16 AmeliaBR: ...I'll do a search into what you did with Brackets, and mention it in my email
2014-07-15 17:41:34 AmeliaBR: shepazu: that was one of the goals of this project, to make WPD data available.
2014-07-15 17:41:39 AmeliaBR: ...Anything else?
2014-07-15 17:42:21 AmeliaBR: ...This is the doldrums of the summer months, not a lot of DocSprints, but this is a good time to work on infrastructure and thanks for everyone who's been doing that
2014-07-15 17:42:47 AmeliaBR: julee: One issue, you talked about annotations.  There's a comments system on the site right now, are you going to get rid of that?
2014-07-15 17:43:22 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Yes.  We might try to import those to the new system, or we might just delete them.  Most are out of date.
2014-07-15 17:43:56 AmeliaBR: ...one of the problems with that system was there was no notification when people left a comment, so nothing really happened unless you saw that page.
2014-07-15 17:44:24 AmeliaBR: julee: while looking through, I think there are a number of valid comments still there.  If we can keep that content in the new system, it would be great
2014-07-15 17:45:06 AmeliaBR: shepazu: certainly.  If your smell test was that comments are valid then we can set up a script to import them
2014-07-15 17:45:45 AmeliaBR: julee: Sure. If that's easy.  Most of the comments were "good but minor" -- typos, or newbie questions that suggest an editor should explain things better
2014-07-15 17:46:18 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I think the first thing is to assess how hard it would be to import them.  It's good not to throw away people's contributions
2014-07-15 17:46:47 AmeliaBR: ...of course, one benefit of the new system is that there will be a way to tag things as minor issues/typos/question to be answered on the page content
2014-07-15 17:47:47 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: I want to advocate for simplicity.  There is also, under "Tools" button/menu, the "Discussion" link
2014-07-15 17:48:19 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: ...which leads to the Mediawiki talk pages.  Which we don't use, but there are about a dozen pages that have comments on them
2014-07-15 17:48:42 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: we need to get rid of that.  With annotations back in, that's three separate comment systems.
2014-07-15 17:49:16 AmeliaBR: renoirb: thanks for mentioning this, I want to do this on the next mediawiki upgrade.  Also the welcome email.  If anyone wants to work on these, let me know.
2014-07-15 17:50:59 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Another idea, that has long been put on the back burner, is Q&A.  Other parts of W3 have been using a discourse server (made by people who created StackOverflow), and it would be great to have better integration with the specs work at W3 with WPD
2014-07-15 17:52:29 AmeliaBR: shepazu: It's great to have community volunteers, but I don't think I've successfully communicated with the people working on specs how they can use WPD to get information out to developers, focusing on practical information.  That will be a focus for the next year, I've got support from the CO.
2014-07-15 17:52:38 renoirb: http://discourse.specifiction.org/
2014-07-15 17:52:39 AmeliaBR: julee: what's the exact spelling/link?
2014-07-15 17:52:40 julee: http://discourse.specifiction.org/
2014-07-15 17:53:21 AmeliaBR: julee: does it also manage communities?  It looks like their are users with replies and posts and topics?  Does it have the backend to manage that?
2014-07-15 17:53:48 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I honestly can't say I've looked into it that deeply.  I just wanted to mention it as possible future collaboration.
2014-07-15 17:54:12 renoirb: Its using http://www.discourse.org/
2014-07-15 17:54:15 renoirb: an open source project
2014-07-15 17:54:38 AmeliaBR: julee: it's just that we've talked before about better community management, so I was wondering if that might be the way
2014-07-15 17:55:06 AmeliaBR: renoirb: When I have more information, I'll prepare something and we can talk about it.
2014-07-15 17:55:30 AmeliaBR: shepazu: If there's nothing else, thanks everyone.  We'll continue with the QA and preparing the compatibility tables.
2014-07-15 17:55:51 jensimmons: julee: I need a minute. And lunch. Can we start at 2:30pm est (in 35 mins)?
2014-07-15 17:57:35 julee: np — just call me
2014-07-15 17:58:09 AmeliaBR: to julee and jensimmons:  have fun.  Let me know how much headway you make...
2014-07-15 18:03:58 julee: AmeliaBR : you'll get to join the fun on Friday ;-)
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2014-07-15 18:45:54 jensimmons: julee: pinging you in skype
2014-07-15 18:48:16 julee: …I'll get the app arunning...
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2014-07-16 18:15:30 renoirb: frozenice, yt?
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2014-07-16 18:18:29 frozenice: hi renoirb
2014-07-16 18:18:44 renoirb: I'm working to have templates to use new compatibility table.
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2014-07-16 18:18:59 renoirb: I just want to be sure i wont’t delete anything :)
2014-07-16 18:20:59 renoirb: uhm, ok, semantic mediawiki makes it too long to test, i'll use my local wiki instead :(
2014-07-16 18:21:24 renoirb: frozenice, do you have some notes available publicly on how you make api calls to the api to update pages?
2014-07-16 18:21:40 frozenice: never done an update via API
2014-07-16 18:28:21 renoirb: oh, thx frozenice
2014-07-16 18:28:45 renoirb: So far I have http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Compatibility
2014-07-16 18:29:01 renoirb: but now I want to be sure I can have it included without breaking data.
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2014-07-17 14:41:06 AAA_awright: Should http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Help:Editing be in english?
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2014-07-17 14:42:30 emerson: AAA_awright: it probably should be deleted, because we have the WPD:Editor's Guide
2014-07-17 14:42:44 AAA_awright: emerson: That's the page linked to below the editor
2014-07-17 14:43:36 AAA_awright: Labeled "Editing help"
2014-07-17 14:44:40 emerson: AAA_awright: oh, maybe don't delete it then haha
2014-07-17 14:44:51 emerson: but iirc, everything should be in English
2014-07-17 14:50:45 renoirb: Hi all
2014-07-17 14:50:56 renoirb: Thats a good call AAA_awright
2014-07-17 14:51:06 renoirb: Right, it should
2014-07-17 14:53:27 emerson: renoirb: should we maybe link to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide/step_5_update_existing_content instead?
2014-07-17 14:53:50 renoirb: emerson, we have the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Contributors_Guide
2014-07-17 14:53:58 renoirb: that's the latest and linked at the top for this.
2014-07-17 14:54:17 renoirb: I'm going to make a redirect to contributors guide at help:editing
2014-07-17 14:55:35 renoirb: Done, AAA_awright  thanks for this
2014-07-17 14:56:28 renoirb: The steps in the editors_guide, emerson, are going to be migrated to the Contributors_Guide.   We want to focus on the idea that ANYBODY can work on content. Using the word Editor makes it feel like you have to have a status.
2014-07-17 14:56:32 renoirb: and its not the case.
2014-07-17 14:57:07 emerson: renoirb: gotcha
2014-07-17 14:57:52 AAA_awright: renoirb: Sure. Redirecting looks like a nice solution
2014-07-17 14:59:06 renoirb: We are not de duplicating how to write MediaWiki markup, Wikipedia has good stuff there.
2014-07-17 14:59:33 renoirb: If its in Help: MediaWiki: namespaces, its not our area of focus.
2014-07-17 14:59:56 renoirb: What’s in WPD: napespace is the meta documentation. Documenting how to document :)
2014-07-17 15:00:16 renoirb: Anybody of you uses the Talk pages?
2014-07-17 15:00:22 renoirb: AAA_awright, emerson ?
2014-07-17 15:00:46 AAA_awright: Not yet
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2014-07-17 15:02:56 renoirb: Oh, when you see Meta: its going to go away, its just a pastebin in the meantime we merge
2014-07-17 15:03:18 renoirb: I'm asking about the talk pages because we plan to disable this feature.
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2014-07-17 15:03:36 renoirb: We are going to use annotations from the notes.webplatform.org server
2014-07-17 15:04:08 renoirb: So, Talk and the + besides titles will go away, and only notes will be available.
2014-07-17 15:04:13 renoirb: eventually
2014-07-17 15:04:24 emerson: renoirb: no, i havent yet
2014-07-17 15:04:44 renoirb: Good to know :)
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2014-07-17 15:15:45 AAA_awright: Expanded more on HTTP, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/protocols/http
2014-07-17 15:16:23 AAA_awright: Why does that page get concepts/protocols/http, when most the other pages seem to start with simply "http/" e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http/methods
2014-07-17 15:17:05 AAA_awright: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http should get a redirect, but I can't seem to create the page
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2014-07-17 16:27:20 AAA_awright: ok
2014-07-17 16:30:19 renoirb: Maybe there http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web  < AAA_awright
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2014-07-18 18:33:42 jensimmons: aamelia?
2014-07-18 18:33:44 jensimmons: I’m in skype
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2014-07-18 20:05:54 jensimmons: renoirb: which version of Bug Genie are we running?
2014-07-18 20:06:09 jensimmons: (major version, I don’t care about the minor release detail)
2014-07-18 20:06:30 renoirb: hi, let me see
2014-07-18 20:07:06 renoirb: I plan to upgrade, eventually. But most likely AFTER upgrading Piwik and moved all VM to DreamCompute.
2014-07-18 20:07:10 renoirb looking...
2014-07-18 20:10:04 georgebarnick: Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/
2014-07-18 20:12:17 renoirb: Version is 3.2.5
2014-07-18 20:12:55 renoirb: Its deep, in core/classes/TBGSettings.class.php
2014-07-18 20:13:02 renoirb: jensimmons, version is 3.2
2014-07-18 20:13:34 jensimmons: thanks
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2014-07-19 00:39:01 emerson: "opendomain.org - We squat domains, but its okay because we use the words 'open source' a lot"
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2014-07-19 03:51:06 AAA_awright: Definition lists look rather ugly: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http
2014-07-19 03:51:39 AAA_awright: Mostly... that's very... black
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2014-07-21 11:59:01 AAA_awright: Using a table for things like http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom is really awkward on my narrow screen
2014-07-21 11:59:20 AAA_awright: Shouldn't we be using an unordered list with CSS columns?
2014-07-21 11:59:27 AAA_awright: Wikipedia does this all over the place
2014-07-21 12:10:51 AAA_awright: I can't figure out why http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLBaseElement doesn't show up in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom
2014-07-21 12:10:54 AAA_awright: er
2014-07-21 12:11:58 AAA_awright: I can't figure out why http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLFormElement doesn't show up in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom
2014-07-21 12:27:18 AAA_awright: And e.g. HTMLElement doesn't seem to have an item() method, so why does http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLElement/item exist?
2014-07-21 12:30:18 emerson: AAA_awright: a lot of the DOM stuff was dumped straight from MSDN, and no one has checked it for correctness
2014-07-21 12:30:40 emerson: .item() is a method of HTMLCollection, so it should probably go there
2014-07-21 12:30:51 AAA_awright: That page exists too, maybe just delete it?
2014-07-21 12:31:06 AAA_awright: Most of these pages probably don't belong
2014-07-21 12:31:07 emerson: are they the same page?
2014-07-21 12:31:25 emerson: content-wise, that is
2014-07-21 12:31:35 AAA_awright: No
2014-07-21 12:35:55 emerson: well feel free to make some edits to the documents, it would be appreciated :)
2014-07-21 12:37:09 AAA_awright: emerson: It needs to be moved or deleted, as it's being linked from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLElement by Semantic Mediawiki
2014-07-21 12:37:20 AAA_awright: I can't seem to do that (or at least delete, there's no option)
2014-07-21 12:37:40 AAA_awright: Deletes in Mediawiki aren't very well thought out :-\
2014-07-21 12:38:23 emerson: AAA_awright: i think only certain people can delete
2014-07-21 12:39:54 emerson: and the HTMLELement list should be pulling from available pages, so once a page is deleted, it won't show up on the parent page
2014-07-21 12:39:59 AAA_awright: Yeah
2014-07-21 12:41:43 emerson: AAA_awright: are you helping out with the QA Sprint?
2014-07-21 12:41:56 AAA_awright: Not yet
2014-07-21 12:43:22 AAA_awright: All these pages should have specification references
2014-07-21 12:43:53 AAA_awright: Or at least vendor-specific documentation, if not standardized
2014-07-21 12:43:55 AAA_awright: Anything that's not, delete it?
2014-07-21 12:44:12 emerson: Anything that's not what?
2014-07-21 12:44:27 emerson: not standardized?
2014-07-21 12:44:47 AAA_awright: Not referenced
2014-07-21 12:45:22 AAA_awright: Most of these might be defined in some extension document, but I wouldn't know without seeing it
2014-07-21 12:46:23 emerson: yea, eventually someone will have to go through and figure out where each property is defined
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2014-07-21 12:46:31 emerson: i wouldn't delete them though
2014-07-21 12:48:42 AAA_awright: How about a template "This page needs a reference to normative literature, otherwise is subject to deletion"
2014-07-21 12:55:55 emerson: Thats what the QA sprint is trying to acheive. Every page will be marked with how "ready" it is for the community to use
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2014-07-21 13:05:57 AAA_awright: Even though I'm already logged in
2014-07-21 13:06:14 AAA_awright: Even if I wasn't logged in, how would I get to the view source page?
2014-07-21 13:06:21 AAA_awright: (It's at http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Template:API_Object&action=edit )
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2014-07-21 13:15:23 AAA_awright: Yeah, my point is I should have a link to view the source
2014-07-21 13:15:39 AAA_awright: I don't think regular Mediawiki does that
2014-07-21 13:15:48 AAA_awright: er, it does have the link, this doesn't
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2014-07-22 17:06:55 AmeliaBR: Telcon starting...
2014-07-22 17:07:17 AmeliaBR: Chairing: shepazu
2014-07-22 17:07:23 AmeliaBR: Scribenick AmeliaBR
2014-07-22 17:07:50 AmeliaBR: on the phone: jensimmons, julee, renoirb, ???
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2014-07-22 17:08:45 AmeliaBR: FIRST TOPIC: Updates on Active issues
2014-07-22 17:09:51 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: On QASprint, some people are still working, but I'll send out a reminder email this week, to try to get this done.
2014-07-22 17:10:00 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Where are we now?
2014-07-22 17:10:29 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: 2600+ done, approx 1700 left (although some of those are in other languages)
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2014-07-22 17:11:11 AmeliaBR: JenSimmons: On the Project management tool, Julee and I have been working, and Amelia joined for an "epic" session on Friday
2014-07-22 17:12:02 AmeliaBR: ...we're still working on things, trying to get things sorted and figure out the best way to do what we want to do, so once that's finalized we'll want to present to everyone.  We don't want to present the details now since we might still change our minds.
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2014-07-22 17:12:49 AmeliaBR: ...The other thing we're doing is going through all the existing open tickets, deciding if they're still relevant, and moving them into the new organization system.  Many of what's left is low-priority, but they are still relevant.
2014-07-22 17:13:46 renoirb: Thx jensimmons https://github.com/webplatform/fxa-content-server/commit/652734268cbf30c6080de4422e2e4ef8d8e05a02
2014-07-22 17:14:17 AmeliaBR: ...The moving is important.  We're going from 13 separate projects to two project streams.  When this system is working, it should be a lot easier to track what we're doing and monitor what needs to be done, instead of having emails get lost as you get busy.  I think Renoirb had been using the system, but no one else really had been.
2014-07-22 17:14:53 AmeliaBR: ...We should start using this tool instead of phone calls and emails to keep on track.
2014-07-22 17:15:04 AmeliaBR: shepazu: anything to add, julee
2014-07-22 17:15:18 AmeliaBR: julee: Just that we're still working on it.
2014-07-22 17:16:01 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I want to add, you mentioned that discussion should be in the system instead of on these calls.  I also think we should then organize the agenda of these calls based on the issue tracker.
2014-07-22 17:16:34 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Exactly.  Maybe I didn't explain things clearly.  The calls would be a chance to open up and decide priorities and what we're going to do about the issues.
2014-07-22 17:17:20 AmeliaBR: ...Also, to keep things running there would need to be a sort of project manager to keep things organized.  We've talked about setting up a regular triage team to go through new issues.
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2014-07-22 17:17:56 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Not to say too much until it's finalized, but I am working on trying to get us a part-time project manager.  But I think a triage team would also be important.
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2014-07-22 17:18:37 AmeliaBR: ...This system will be great, to help us keep track and organize everything, when we've got lots of competing priorities and things get shifted around.
2014-07-22 17:19:38 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Yeah, I think there is some efficiency lost currently in this team, when we come back to an issue and have to re-hash what our decisions were, what our priorities were.  Having it all documented will avoid repeating.  And for new people, it is easier to find out what is going on, what our priorities are.
2014-07-22 17:20:18 AmeliaBR: shepazu: And to have a place to file a bug.  It will be great to have this up and running.  ...so that we can all complain about what's wrong with it and argue for the next few years!
2014-07-22 17:20:43 renoirb: Compat tables templates notes in this Gist: https://gist.github.com/WebPlatformDocs/80df05fcefeb488a38b5
2014-07-22 17:20:59 AmeliaBR: shepazu: On the compatibility tables, renoirb and I have been working on making the data Live, to the end user, and not just to us working in the back of the database.
2014-07-22 17:22:41 AmeliaBR: ...Renoirb has got us most of the way to actually deploying the templates.  The last step is to tie the templates to a form, so that editors can change the data key/token that is used to retrieve the data, in case it doesn't match the name of the page.  Overtime, we can shift the names in the JSON data to match our pages, but for now we want to make sure we have a way to edit it.
2014-07-22 17:23:00 AmeliaBR: ...Renoirb: remind me, in the CSS property pages, we can already see the live data?
2014-07-22 17:23:19 renoirb: e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/border#Compatibility_2
2014-07-22 17:23:21 AmeliaBR: renoirb: yes, in the properties.  We could do it in the selectors, but the name might not always match,
2014-07-22 17:23:44 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  So we're going to work on it.  I might ask Eliezerb to do that.
2014-07-22 17:24:02 AmeliaBR: julee: You should contact him directly to confirm he's not on vacation.
2014-07-22 17:24:26 renoirb: Sorry, got confused, the right one is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/border#Compatibility
2014-07-22 17:25:31 AmeliaBR: shepazu: An update on Brazil.  I have been talking with the W3C's partner office, they've agreed to fly me down to lead a DocSprint.  What do we want them to work on?
2014-07-22 17:25:37 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: When's the date?
2014-07-22 17:25:49 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Late August.
2014-07-22 17:26:05 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  Too soon for me to get SVG ready for a sprint.
2014-07-22 17:27:10 renoirb: Note that each table can be accessed like this too http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table  as a Canonical way to grab the table view
2014-07-22 17:27:34 renoirb: or raw, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table&foresi=1
2014-07-22 17:27:43 AmeliaBR: julee:  With the readiness markers, we could just suggest people to work on "Almost Ready" pages, make them ready.
2014-07-22 17:28:27 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  The other thing that's coming up late August is the SVG/Web Graphics conference.  I have a forum to speak there, we could try to arrange something to encourage participation.
2014-07-22 17:29:09 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I can keep in touch with you about the templates work, and see if we can get a system ready so that we can encourage people to contribute to a functioning database.
2014-07-22 17:30:07 AmeliaBR: julee: The other thing is, that there will be a lot of design agencies and people interested in SVG, and just to get them involved in preparing examples and other ideas.
2014-07-22 17:30:52 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I'll be meeting with the SVG working group in London prior to the conference in Winchester.  I might try to set up an intro to SVG workshop.
2014-07-22 17:31:22 AmeliaBR: julee: I was also thinking of pairing up with good designers, who are already working with SVG, to try to use some of the content.
2014-07-22 17:32:17 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom
2014-07-22 17:32:52 julee: ^— I was also thinking of pairing up good designers with devs & editors who are working on SVG specs/features, to try to use some of the content.
2014-07-22 17:34:15 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  There was a note on the email list, pointing out some of the usual problems with design but also suggesting an improvement.  If people can look at what we combined came up with for the DOM page, then decide if we should do the same for the other top-level pages
2014-07-22 17:34:58 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  I think this is great.  Can we do this for all the ugly index tables?
2014-07-22 17:36:41 AmeliaBR: julee: Long term, we might want to make a ticket to even shorten it further based on data about which objects are most used.
2014-07-22 17:37:03 renoirb: +1 blog post!
2014-07-22 17:37:50 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I can definitely roll this out to the other top-level pages this week.  Getting a more generic template that can be used anywhere will take time.
2014-07-22 17:38:09 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Thanks for this.  And thanks to Austin Wright for getting this started.
2014-07-22 17:38:47 AmeliaBR: julee:  And this would be a great topic for a blog post, community involvement and so on.
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2014-07-22 17:39:38 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I can do that.  I might bounce ideas off of you.  I was also thinking, once the QA Review is done, that there should be a blog post with an update of where we stand, as far as how many articles are Ready to Use or Almost Ready, etc.
2014-07-22 17:39:50 AmeliaBR: ...Those are really separate ideas, though.
2014-07-22 17:40:04 AmeliaBR: shepazu: Two short blog posts makes sense.
2014-07-22 17:40:07 renoirb: Thanks julee and Jen for the work on the issue tracker!
2014-07-22 17:40:30 AmeliaBR: (Meeting adjourned early for once!)
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2014-07-22 17:40:46 renoirb: Thanks AmeliaBR for scribing !!
2014-07-22 17:41:10 jensimmons: julee: I’m going to finish my lunch and walk home. We can jump on Skype together and go through tickets after that. Maybe 2:15?
2014-07-22 17:41:19 jensimmons: aka 49 mins from now
2014-07-22 17:41:30 jensimmons: does that work for you?
2014-07-22 17:41:53 AmeliaBR: Aww, shucks renoirb.  Thanks for your work with compat tables.  It will be good to finally see that on the main pages!
2014-07-22 17:42:22 renoirb: I like the two new features with canonical URLS that can make you refer directly to the new pages :D
2014-07-22 17:42:54 renoirb: s/new pages/same compat table render, without content around it/
2014-07-22 17:44:03 renoirb: View as a table:   http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table    View as a list: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=list  View ONLY the table HTML, no CSS: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table&foresi=1
2014-07-22 17:44:29 AmeliaBR: renoirb: That sounds interesting.  So there is potential to reuse that content in different contexts in the future, maybe to create caniuse-style tables of compatibility for a set of related features?
2014-07-22 17:44:36 renoirb: Yes :)
2014-07-22 17:45:04 renoirb: Each compat table has also metadata attached to the parent div, if you look at the inspector. I’ll eventually add the meta for those alternate views
2014-07-22 17:46:56 AmeliaBR: Good stuff.  Better to think about this now than to try to change it later!
2014-07-22 17:47:13 renoirb: There are many things we can do to improve. Maybe use elastic search as the API instead of a huge static file. Maybe allow /compat/data.json?feature=border-radius to give only what matches, and so on.
2014-07-22 17:47:28 renoirb: we'll keep it for later, the priority was to have the new tables
2014-07-22 17:47:32 renoirb: and that it doesnt kill the site.
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2014-07-22 17:50:32 julee: jensimmons: 11:20aPT sounds great to me!
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2014-07-22 18:05:35 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  "and that it doesnt kill the site."  Yeah, that's always a secondary priority...
2014-07-22 18:06:51 renoirb: Right, before I worked on it it was re-reading the full huge JSON file for every visitor. That was taking a lot of server memory
2014-07-22 18:07:54 AmeliaBR: Doh.  One of those things that works alright when you're building a small demo site, but it sure doesn't scale to production levels!
2014-07-22 18:15:45 jensimmons looking for julee 
2014-07-22 18:27:34 julee: Jen: got caught up. Can I join you in 13 minutes?
2014-07-22 18:27:44 julee: ^— jensimmons
2014-07-22 18:27:55 jensimmons: sure
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2014-07-22 18:42:44 jensimmons: julee: find me in skype when you are ready
2014-07-22 19:01:32 julee: renoirb, shepazu & all: please don't change any project.webplatform.org configurations, even at the project level, because we're in the middle of configuring it.
2014-07-22 19:01:56 renoirb: ok julee
2014-07-22 19:02:01 julee: You can continue to set any values at the bug level, but we're in all the projects tweeting them
2014-07-22 19:02:06 julee: Thank you!
2014-07-22 19:02:27 renoirb: right, A feature I like very much is prefix in issue number, makes sense to know we are talking about #infr-33
2014-07-22 19:02:40 renoirb: that's only that that'd like to keep :D
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2014-07-22 21:05:05 julee: renoirb: I hear ya about the prefix. We discussed it & left it off, as it shows up in the URL. But we're not set in stone about it. Let us finish up and you're our first reviewer!
2014-07-22 21:05:35 julee: renoirb: in the meantime, did you see PhistucK's getting 503s on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/option
2014-07-22 21:05:47 renoirb: Gosh I jump, my volume has the ping in the roof.
2014-07-22 21:06:08 julee: Yikes! Didn't mean to scare you!!
2014-07-22 21:06:19 renoirb: meditation music: <h1 style="font-size:299em;">OM*G PING!!!!!!<h1>
2014-07-22 21:06:30 renoirb: that's ok!
2014-07-22 21:06:33 renoirb: :)
2014-07-22 21:06:35 julee: I'm not getting a 503 on that page, but I did notice the readiness flags are flickering throughout the site today.
2014-07-22 21:06:36 renoirb: i'm awake
2014-07-22 21:06:39 julee: lol
2014-07-22 21:06:44 julee: ooo. so sorry...
2014-07-22 21:07:07 renoirb: wait, julee, checking my mail
2014-07-22 21:07:52 renoirb: strange, julee, I dont get them, nor my notification.
2014-07-22 21:07:54 renoirb: let me see again
2014-07-22 21:10:58 julee: here's PhistucK's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jul/0111.html
2014-07-22 21:11:01 julee: brb
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2014-07-22 22:36:07 julee: Does anyone remember…
2014-07-22 22:36:37 julee: I thought AmeliaBR or Eliezerb fixed the order of the parameters.
2014-07-22 22:37:21 julee: I can't find mention of the fix and they're not online.
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2014-07-22 22:38:08 julee: I'm looking at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/canvas/CanvasRenderingContext2D/arc and x & y are out of order. When I select edit, here's no way to move them around.
2014-07-22 22:38:33 julee: Any pointers to what was fixed with the param / arg order?
2014-07-22 22:40:11 julee: never mind… http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014May/0026.html
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2014-07-23 18:49:02 jalbertbowdenii: hello. is there a formal grammar of HTML in BNF?
2014-07-23 18:51:05 renoirb: Hi jalbertbowdenii
2014-07-23 18:51:07 renoirb: what is BNF?
2014-07-23 18:51:19 jalbertbowdenii: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form
2014-07-23 18:52:25 renoirb: disclaimer: I'm from W3C, but not participating in specs —  I think that you are talking to either DTD or IDL
2014-07-23 18:52:38 renoirb: http://www.w3.org/TR/WebIDL/
2014-07-23 18:54:04 renoirb: jalbertbowdenii ^
2014-07-23 18:54:12 jalbertbowdenii: thank you very much
2014-07-23 18:54:12 renoirb: is this close to what you are searching for?
2014-07-23 18:54:20 renoirb: Can you explain to me the context?
2014-07-23 18:54:48 jalbertbowdenii: i'm looking at it now.....lol, i'm actually asking for someone else. and its over my head.
2014-07-23 18:55:01 renoirb: We also have sets of tools to help create standards such as ReSpec. Allows us to use the web browser to create specs in HTML+Markdown, and we can run various scripts on it
2014-07-23 18:55:17 jalbertbowdenii: he literally means "literally mean a BNF formal grammar, not a DTD, not an IDL, a BNF formal grammar."
2014-07-23 18:55:32 jalbertbowdenii: i wasn't even aware of bnf until < 5 mins ago
2014-07-23 18:56:11 jalbertbowdenii: thanks alot though
2014-07-23 18:56:11 renoirb: http://www.w3.org/respec/ If I recall correctly, it allows to use IDL notation and it take care to put colors for us, same thing with Markdown, transforms it to HTML.
2014-07-23 18:56:27 renoirb: sure, not even myself.
2014-07-23 18:56:36 renoirb: i might not even be the right person.
2014-07-23 18:56:48 renoirb: Look also at the ECMA and IETF, they might have this.
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2014-07-23 18:57:48 renoirb: There´s this, jalbertbowdenii, though http://stackoverflow.com/questions/334479/repository-of-bnf-grammars/334539#334539  you most likely stumbled upon it already
2014-07-23 18:58:52 jalbertbowdenii: sweeeeet
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2014-07-23 19:05:54 renoirb: enjoy :P
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2014-07-23 19:11:18 julee: renoirb: I'm really trying to let this go, but it's driving me buggy — pun intended ;-)
2014-07-23 19:11:36 julee: Only in Chrome 36.0.1985.125: the readiness flags are flickering.
2014-07-23 19:12:04 julee: Anyone else experiencing this?
2014-07-23 19:12:37 renoirb: hahaha
2014-07-23 19:12:46 julee: lol
2014-07-23 19:12:50 renoirb: readiness flags?
2014-07-23 19:12:52 julee: y
2014-07-23 19:12:58 renoirb: in which view, how to reproduce :)
2014-07-23 19:13:07 julee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/box-shadow
2014-07-23 19:13:19 julee: That's the problem. I can't repro in any other browsers.
2014-07-23 19:13:34 julee: Including Canary!
2014-07-23 19:13:55 julee: I cleared cache, restarted, and still the flickering!
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2014-07-23 19:31:36 renoirb: Sorry julee, i'm heads down into cross frame communication.
2014-07-23 19:32:09 renoirb: Oh, right, I think I see what you mean.
2014-07-23 19:32:11 renoirb: FOUC
2014-07-23 19:32:12 renoirb: :)
2014-07-23 19:32:18 renoirb: Flash Of Unstyled Content
2014-07-23 19:32:25 renoirb: What the FOUC :D
2014-07-23 19:35:20 julee: lol
2014-07-23 19:35:34 julee: prism?
2014-07-23 19:36:01 renoirb: non, FOUC is about HTML that gets rendered with a given style, then the style kicks in too late.
2014-07-23 19:37:33 julee: y
2014-07-23 19:38:00 renoirb: let me see
2014-07-23 19:38:48 julee: OK, or I could just file a bug
2014-07-23 19:39:57 renoirb: you can.
2014-07-23 19:40:19 renoirb: its specific to chrome, Its not really fouc, though the initial flicker is
2014-07-23 19:40:26 renoirb: when you scroll it flickrs too
2014-07-23 19:40:33 renoirb: this is beacause of position fixed
2014-07-23 19:40:57 renoirb: that’s why I recommended to have it OUTSIDE of the wiki markup, to have PHP code render it outside of the forms and let the template ask for it
2014-07-23 19:59:59 julee: makes sense to me
2014-07-23 20:06:54 julee: I'll file a bug.
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2014-07-23 20:29:14 julee: renoirb: http://project.webplatform.org/ia/issues/22
2014-07-23 20:29:55 julee: Oops... http://project.webplatform.org/infrastructure/issues/67
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2014-07-23 22:03:08 julee: renoirb : can you put the bug genie into github?
2014-07-23 22:14:55 julee: renoirb : not asking you to do it now, just want to know if it's possible
2014-07-23 22:16:26 renoirb: Hi Julee. I thought of it, at least for what is related to code.
2014-07-23 22:16:47 renoirb: For example, frontpage issues could be https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org/issues
2014-07-23 22:17:07 renoirb: Compatibility table data management https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues
2014-07-23 22:17:08 renoirb: etc.
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2014-07-23 22:21:19 julee: Oooo. That's cool. Actually I wasn't asking for that.
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2014-07-23 22:22:36 julee: What I was looking for were the modules & templates
2014-07-23 22:23:31 julee: Looking to see if we can create a module that provides a particular report of issues: Epic -> Story -> Tasks & different fields than we currently have
2014-07-23 22:23:41 julee: Also, we'll need to change the front page
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2014-07-23 22:24:50 julee: At any rate, I'm going thru TBG source to guess what's possible. I just thought it would be nice to have our files & our current set up.
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2014-07-24 00:50:34 eliezerb: renoirb: hey!
2014-07-24 00:50:38 renoirb: Hi eliezerb
2014-07-24 00:51:01 eliezerb: renoirb: Just opened your email about Compatables' Templates
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2014-07-24 01:01:50 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm trying to figure out what you need about that...
2014-07-24 01:02:46 eliezerb: Let me try to understand... You need a "Category" that matches with the compatables "parent folder"
2014-07-24 01:03:27 eliezerb: Or maybe not a Category, but a Field, Property or something that provide you that kind of information
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2014-07-24 01:22:20 renoirb: back eliezerb
2014-07-24 01:22:22 renoirb: sorry
2014-07-24 01:22:36 eliezerb: renoirb: no problem :D
2014-07-24 01:22:47 eliezerb: I thing I got your problem, and I thing I got a solution
2014-07-24 01:22:48 renoirb: See that https://gist.github.com/WebPlatformDocs/80df05fcefeb488a38b5
2014-07-24 01:22:49 renoirb: eliezerb
2014-07-24 01:22:52 eliezerb: s/thing/think
2014-07-24 01:23:37 renoirb: Basically I need to have a form that we can have on most property/selectors/functions pages. That we can change in need
2014-07-24 01:24:26 renoirb: So far the topic="" can be any of the direct children of data
2014-07-24 01:24:32 renoirb: see the list at the bottom of http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/data-human.json
2014-07-24 01:24:45 renoirb: what is called: folders
2014-07-24 01:24:56 renoirb: (name changed since I generated that compat table data)
2014-07-24 01:25:11 eliezerb: humm
2014-07-24 01:25:31 renoirb: So in CSS, we could have the topic="css" automatically. Maybe through the first part of the URL
2014-07-24 01:25:47 renoirb: ... after wiki:  /wiki/css/properties  topic="css"
2014-07-24 01:25:56 eliezerb: renoirb: yup
2014-07-24 01:25:57 renoirb: and feature, can be the last part
2014-07-24 01:25:58 eliezerb: {{#titleparts:{{PAGENAME}} | 1}}
2014-07-24 01:26:03 renoirb: right
2014-07-24 01:26:11 renoirb: just that i'm heads down with SSO
2014-07-24 01:26:38 eliezerb: renoirb: I got the problem
2014-07-24 01:26:57 eliezerb: we need to have a custom filed to match the page with the data from json
2014-07-24 01:27:13 eliezerb: s/filed/field
2014-07-24 01:27:28 renoirb: yes.
2014-07-24 01:27:37 eliezerb: Did you started something?
2014-07-24 01:27:42 eliezerb: Maybe on test wiki?
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2014-07-24 01:28:44 renoirb: yes, the gist you see is what i started
2014-07-24 01:29:00 renoirb: But it was on my own laptop, that gist is the sum of what I found to be working
2014-07-24 01:29:17 renoirb: I guessed that I needed to create three properties for each: topic, feature, format
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2014-07-24 01:29:46 renoirb: And to create a form for that... then its when I realized I had to nest forms together. I was affraid to make an infinite loop and it took too much time for me.
2014-07-24 01:29:52 renoirb: Gotta deliver SSO now
2014-07-24 01:29:57 eliezerb: renoirb: I need to update myself about compatables
2014-07-24 01:30:06 renoirb: data is in http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/data-human.json
2014-07-24 01:30:08 eliezerb: renoirb: I got the problem, I'll try to have something
2014-07-24 01:30:15 eliezerb: Then I ping you
2014-07-24 01:30:25 renoirb: you can also use http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/CompaTables/Reading_the_data.json_file
2014-07-24 01:30:31 renoirb: with nodejs underscore-cli
2014-07-24 01:30:40 eliezerb: renoirb: Ok! Thanks!
2014-07-24 01:30:45 renoirb: it allows you to cat the data file and query in a similar way as CSS
2014-07-24 01:31:29 renoirb: just download a copy of the data.json file then do cat data.json | underscore select ':root .data .css .border-radius'
2014-07-24 01:31:32 eliezerb: I'll study a liitle bit about everything I missed in the last months
2014-07-24 01:31:39 renoirb: have fun.
2014-07-24 01:31:40 renoirb: :)
2014-07-24 01:31:43 eliezerb: Thanks
2014-07-24 01:31:44 renoirb: that’s much appreciated
2014-07-24 01:31:50 eliezerb: good luck with SSO
2014-07-24 01:32:05 renoirb: Its underway, just dealing with edge cases now.
2014-07-24 01:32:19 eliezerb: \o/
2014-07-24 01:32:29 renoirb: such as i have a session with user A in MW test, but account server has no session delete local session in mw test.
2014-07-24 01:32:48 renoirb:  a lot of calls and checks and events, not always happening: async programming :/
2014-07-24 01:32:59 renoirb: nice, but always counter intuitive
2014-07-24 01:33:24 renoirb: ttyl
2014-07-24 01:33:26 eliezerb: renoirb: Well, I've not that much knowledge about that, I rather Template stuff
2014-07-24 01:33:29 eliezerb: see you
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2014-07-24 14:28:57 viztor: Hello there
2014-07-24 14:29:03 viztor: anyone？
2014-07-24 14:30:36 emerson: A few of us are around
2014-07-24 14:31:49 emerson: viztor: do you have a question?
2014-07-24 14:32:08 viztor: i want to join in some localazation job
2014-07-24 14:32:17 viztor: but don’t know how
2014-07-24 14:33:31 emerson: viztor: you mean translating content?
2014-07-24 14:33:40 viztor: yes
2014-07-24 14:33:52 viztor: also a bunch of friends want to be in
2014-07-24 14:34:51 viztor: but we find that we don’t have the permission to create pages
2014-07-24 14:34:58 emerson: viztor: I don't think we are ready for localization yet
2014-07-24 14:34:59 viztor: under the original one
2014-07-24 14:35:28 viztor: but i think at least some meta-type should 被
2014-07-24 14:35:33 viztor: be localized
2014-07-24 14:35:46 viztor: wiki will never be ready
2014-07-24 14:36:04 emerson: if renoirb or shepazu are online, maybe they could clarify a little
2014-07-24 14:36:10 renoirb: Hi emerson
2014-07-24 14:36:18 renoirb reading
2014-07-24 14:36:48 shepazu: hey
2014-07-24 14:36:55 viztor: Hi
2014-07-24 14:36:56 renoirb: I have to say viztor that we are still validating content at some spots, maybe its better to participate in improving the english version with us before.
2014-07-24 14:37:23 renoirb: Of, if you exclusively want to translate, its better to go on with the ones that are flagged green (ready to use)
2014-07-24 14:37:55 shepazu: viztor, if you and a bunch of friends want to translate content, let's hook you up… what topic, and what local language?
2014-07-24 14:38:03 viztor: chinese
2014-07-24 14:38:17 viztor: to be accurate
2014-07-24 14:38:28 viztor: 25 persons
2014-07-24 14:38:42 viztor: they said they are interested in the doc
2014-07-24 14:39:38 viztor: the docs
2014-07-24 14:40:04 shepazu: viztor, does one of you want to be the translation lead?
2014-07-24 14:40:32 shepazu: we could give that person permissions to create pages, and they could keep track of which pages are being translated
2014-07-24 14:42:20 shepazu: and they could explain the process to all the local translators
2014-07-24 14:42:33 viztor: we can divided in to teams.
2014-07-24 14:42:33 shepazu: viztor, would you like to be the translation lead?
2014-07-24 14:42:41 viztor: i would like to
2014-07-24 14:42:43 renoirb: oh, in that case, right, lets just have you work together on ready pages like a DocSprint then :)
2014-07-24 14:42:53 shepazu: great
2014-07-24 14:43:07 renoirb going back to SSO :)
2014-07-24 14:43:51 viztor: that’s a great responsibility :) My only concern is my lack of experience
2014-07-24 14:44:15 shepazu: viztor, well, you have more translation experience than me :)
2014-07-24 14:44:53 shepazu: maybe if you want to divide into teams, you can have several team leads, not just you
2014-07-24 14:44:54 viztor: that’s very comforting.  lol
2014-07-24 14:45:14 shepazu: and you and the other team leads can coordinate and learn from each other
2014-07-24 14:45:16 viztor: yes
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2014-07-24 14:45:54 viztor: i have faith!
2014-07-24 14:46:16 shepazu: viztor, are you comfortable sending an email to the public-webplatform@w3.org list, summarizing a work plan?
2014-07-24 14:46:25 shepazu: it can be very simple
2014-07-24 14:46:48 shepazu: maybe 5 teams, each with a team lead?
2014-07-24 14:47:02 shepazu: what would each team specialize in?
2014-07-24 14:47:09 shepazu: or would they specialize?
2014-07-24 14:47:51 eliezerb: renoirb: Hello! Should I create a new account on Webplatform test wiki?
2014-07-24 14:47:58 viztor: I’m afraid this maybe can only be done 24hrs, for many people are asleep now.
2014-07-24 14:48:08 viztor: in 24hrs
2014-07-24 14:48:25 shepazu: viztor, no problem, whenever you're ready!
2014-07-24 14:48:37 viztor: thank you.
2014-07-24 14:48:45 viztor: you’re all being very kind!
2014-07-24 14:48:56 shepazu: viztor, you can also email me directly if you want to talk about it, I'm schepers at w3.org
2014-07-24 14:49:10 shepazu: viztor, we appreciate people offering to help!
2014-07-24 14:49:19 shepazu: eliezerb, hi!
2014-07-24 14:49:28 eliezerb: shepazu: Hello!
2014-07-24 14:49:30 shepazu: eliezerb, are you helping us with the templates?
2014-07-24 14:49:44 eliezerb: shepazu: Yes! I'm hitting the compatables templates today
2014-07-24 14:49:54 shepazu: eliezerb, you are the most awesome!
2014-07-24 14:49:58 viztor: copy that :)
2014-07-24 14:50:12 eliezerb: shepazu: I've been busy with some personal stuff for a couple of days
2014-07-24 14:50:25 eliezerb: Since yesterday I'm giving one hour each day for WPD
2014-07-24 14:50:26 eliezerb: :)
2014-07-24 14:50:27 shepazu: viztor, are you chinese?
2014-07-24 14:50:32 viztor: yes
2014-07-24 14:50:33 eliezerb: I think this way I can get some stuff done
2014-07-24 14:50:42 shepazu: "copy that" is pretty idiomatic!
2014-07-24 14:51:05 shepazu: eliezerb, wow, that's great!
2014-07-24 14:51:25 viztor: :) maybe it’s because american TV series is very popular these days.
2014-07-24 14:51:28 shepazu: eliezerb, also, will I see you in Sao Paulo?
2014-07-24 14:51:35 viztor: in China
2014-07-24 14:51:37 shepazu: viztor, lol
2014-07-24 14:51:45 eliezerb: shepazu: I'm thinking about this possibility
2014-07-24 14:51:46 viztor: go to sleep soon, bye~
2014-07-24 14:51:53 shepazu: viztor, ttyl!
2014-07-24 14:51:56 eliezerb: It's kinda 20 hours by bus
2014-07-24 14:52:01 shepazu: ouch!
2014-07-24 14:52:12 eliezerb: And I never been at Sao Paulo before
2014-07-24 14:52:29 shepazu: eliezerb, maybe I can talk to you about what I should do in Brazil?
2014-07-24 14:52:44 eliezerb: shepazu: Sure!
2014-07-24 14:52:55 shepazu: I plan to bring my wife for a vacation after the conference :)
2014-07-24 14:52:59 eliezerb: shepazu: Vanessa is not at W3C Brasil anymore
2014-07-24 14:53:11 shepazu: eliezerb, oh, didn't know that
2014-07-24 14:53:18 eliezerb: shepazu: But she told me that could help on Doc Sprint
2014-07-24 14:53:40 shepazu: eliezerb, do you know Reinaldo?
2014-07-24 14:53:43 eliezerb would like to be there
2014-07-24 14:53:49 eliezerb: shepazu: Just by name
2014-07-24 14:54:09 eliezerb: shepazu: We can call Zeno
2014-07-24 14:54:18 eliezerb: I'm pretty sure that he could also help
2014-07-24 14:54:41 shepazu: wouldn't that cause a paradox?
2014-07-24 14:54:50 eliezerb: shepazu: Why?
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2014-07-24 14:55:54 shepazu: eliezerb, just a joke :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes
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2014-07-24 15:06:41 renoirb: eliezerb, no, just use your email you used to create your main wiki account
2014-07-24 15:07:25 renoirb: the test wiki is bound to the upcoming accounts system, and at this time, the accounts system uses the email as the username.
2014-07-24 15:07:49 renoirb: all accounts created until may are available in the new accounts system, you’ll have to ask for password recovery though.
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2014-07-24 15:08:59 eliezerb: renoirb: Ook! Thanks!
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2014-07-24 15:09:40 renoirb: so, eliezerb, your wiki account's email address is your new SSO user credential :)
2014-07-24 15:09:59 eliezerb: same for test wiki and main wiki?
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2014-07-24 15:10:51 renoirb: eliezerb, at this time, only test (http://docs.webplatform.org/test/) and staging (htp://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki/) are bound to the new SSO system.
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2014-07-24 15:11:28 renoirb: eliezerb, to be clear, the email you used to register on the main wiki. That’s what you need to login
2014-07-24 15:13:04 eliezerb: renoirb: got it, let me try
2014-07-24 15:14:31 stefanlau: @renoirb i think this page might help viztor? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:translations
2014-07-24 15:15:39 renoirb: yes stefanlau :)
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2014-07-24 16:00:35 eliezerb: renoirb: Can you give me permission to create new pages on test wiki?
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2014-07-24 16:04:11 renoirb: Yes eliezerb
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2014-07-24 16:05:01 eliezerb: renoirb: the user is eliezerb
2014-07-24 16:05:26 renoirb: done, eliezerb
2014-07-24 16:07:06 eliezerb: thnks
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2014-07-24 16:19:08 eliezerb: renoirb: Do I have to wait some time to update the permissions?
2014-07-24 16:30:34 renoirb: no, eliezerb let me see again
2014-07-24 16:31:11 renoirb: take a look again eliezerb
2014-07-24 16:33:24 eliezerb: renoirb: same...
2014-07-24 16:34:01 renoirb: i guess you have to edit 10 times there, but you might have done it already
2014-07-24 16:34:16 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Special:Contributions/Eliezerb
2014-07-24 16:35:15 eliezerb: renoirb: I created a new user... My old one was Eliezerb_test
2014-07-24 16:35:21 renoirb: oh right
2014-07-24 16:35:23 renoirb: let me see
2014-07-24 16:35:30 eliezerb: renoirb: I'll do some edits
2014-07-24 16:35:32 eliezerb: No problem :)
2014-07-24 16:36:11 renoirb: now you should be able.
2014-07-24 16:36:19 renoirb: You said Eliezerb without test.
2014-07-24 16:36:23 renoirb: how could i know
2014-07-24 16:36:40 eliezerb: renoirb: This is the new user, that I'm logged in
2014-07-24 16:36:46 renoirb: let me delete the duplicate
2014-07-24 16:37:26 renoirb: both has the same email address
2014-07-24 16:37:48 renoirb: you should be able now, I added privs on both of them
2014-07-24 16:38:02 renoirb: Eliezerb_test has enough contributions to do that
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2014-07-24 16:58:21 eliezerb: renoirb: Just did 10 edits... but no permission yet
2014-07-24 16:58:31 renoirb: eliezerb, uhm.
2014-07-24 16:58:37 renoirb: what is the username you see at the top?
2014-07-24 16:58:45 eliezerb: ELIEZERB
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2014-07-24 17:07:04 renoirb: that’s confusing because i see two users, both has rights similar.
2014-07-24 17:07:12 renoirb: But since you are using the same email for both
2014-07-24 17:10:26 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Special:LookupUser&target=Eliezerb
2014-07-24 17:10:28 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Special:LookupUser&target=Eliezerb_test
2014-07-24 17:11:32 renoirb: Interresting thing, eliezerb, is that it didnt forbid you to use the same email address
2014-07-24 17:11:36 renoirb: where do you create the user eliezerb ?
2014-07-24 17:12:26 eliezerb: renoirb: I used Forgot password
2014-07-24 17:12:35 eliezerb: To set up a new password to my email address
2014-07-24 17:12:57 eliezerb: Then the page brought the Eliezerb user on the test wiki
2014-07-24 17:16:57 renoirb: eliezerb, signoff please
2014-07-24 17:17:11 renoirb: was it on accounts.webplatform.org or still on the wiki?
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2014-07-24 17:18:22 renoirb: ok, try again
2014-07-24 17:18:36 renoirb: and tell me if you see the new white layout or the wiki login (still on the test wiki)
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2014-07-24 17:19:05 renoirb: eliezerb, tell me the address of where you are signing from
2014-07-24 17:19:18 eliezerb: renoirb: https://accounts.webplatform.org/signin
2014-07-24 17:19:46 renoirb: you clicked on signin on top of test wiki
2014-07-24 17:19:48 renoirb: let me see something
2014-07-24 17:20:01 eliezerb: renoirb: http://prntscr.com/45x6yj
2014-07-24 17:20:12 renoirb: ok!
2014-07-24 17:20:16 renoirb: the address?
2014-07-24 17:20:22 renoirb: (i want to see params in the URL )
2014-07-24 17:20:30 eliezerb: renoirb: https://accounts.webplatform.org/oauth/signin?client_id=7e7e11299d95d789&state=a5a32009d251d39f&scope=session
2014-07-24 17:20:37 renoirb: right, perfect
2014-07-24 17:20:44 renoirb: oauth/signin is what I wanted to know :)
2014-07-24 17:20:52 renoirb: because there’s /signin  AND /oauth/signin
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2014-07-24 17:22:05 eliezerb: renoirb: ooh
2014-07-24 17:22:17 eliezerb: I'm in, but with no permissions
2014-07-24 17:22:17 renoirb: so?
2014-07-24 17:22:23 renoirb: what is the user now?
2014-07-24 17:22:31 eliezerb: Eliezerb
2014-07-24 17:24:13 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&aufrom=Eliezer
2014-07-24 17:24:22 renoirb: at least we have only one now
2014-07-24 17:24:58 eliezerb: renoirb: Yes!
2014-07-24 17:25:10 eliezerb: MediaWiki do not me want back
2014-07-24 17:25:18 renoirb: tsss
2014-07-24 17:26:07 renoirb: delete all your cookies please :/
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2014-07-24 17:27:20 eliezerb: I like my cookies...
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2014-07-24 18:30:38 shepazu: renoirb, eliezerb, did you get it working?
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2014-07-24 18:58:15 renoirb: i'll look into it later shepazu
2014-07-24 18:58:24 renoirb: i'm still on SSO, and want to have something ready.
2014-07-24 18:58:28 renoirb: its taking time
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2014-07-25 17:05:11 julee: renoirb: you there?
2014-07-25 17:05:46 julee: We're meeting today about the bugbase. Any chance you could put the interfaces in github?
2014-07-25 17:05:50 julee: Otherwise, how should we request changes to the frontpage & some custom reports via the API.
2014-07-25 17:09:12 renoirb: Hi julee, i'm deep into Cross web app javascript ajax stuff :/
2014-07-25 17:09:37 renoirb: can you clarify what you mean by "put the interfaces in github"?
2014-07-25 17:14:06 julee: I guess: the wiki, the API, the modules.
2014-07-25 17:14:50 julee: I don't think we'll do anything with the wiki, because that's just docs about TBG instance that we've configured. Hopefully, we're small enough & we've fixed it enough to ignore that for a while.
2014-07-25 17:15:41 julee: We may want to create some modules for better reporting
2014-07-25 17:16:26 julee: We may want to customize some modules for better reporting & the front page
2014-07-25 17:17:31 julee: The config files as well, probably. Because I did see a declarative doc that had first-time UI text in it.
2014-07-25 17:17:41 julee: So, these are just guesses.
2014-07-25 17:18:06 julee: If there's an easy way for you to decide what layer to put into github, great.
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2014-07-25 17:26:51 renoirb: Uhm. I'm sorry to be confused, but i still dont get it :/
2014-07-25 17:27:08 renoirb: julee, are you asking that we migrate some issues to github? all?
2014-07-25 17:29:08 julee: Sorry. Just moved to a new desk…
2014-07-25 17:29:48 julee: renoirb: I'm not asking for github integration with our bugbase — although I think that's cool, it's probably not priority.
2014-07-25 17:30:37 julee: What I'm asking for is the ability to configure our bug genie: the "front page", some other reporting pages, and to create some custom reports
2014-07-25 17:31:15 renoirb: oh, right.
2014-07-25 17:31:18 julee: So I would like to have a local copy that we can work with, test, and then do a pull request.
2014-07-25 17:31:32 julee: Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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2014-07-25 17:31:41 renoirb: i have a suggestion, let me fold that after I upgraded BugGenie and Piwik.
2014-07-25 17:31:53 renoirb: I might upgrade MediaWiki too, and database server too.
2014-07-25 17:32:09 renoirb: So I have a set of things to upgrade, after that, i can.
2014-07-25 17:32:13 julee: If you think that is best.
2014-07-25 17:32:14 renoirb: unless we decide i should focus on that.
2014-07-25 17:32:17 renoirb: i have no idea.
2014-07-25 17:32:35 renoirb: what’s best is that we might look at what we can do with the new version of buggenie.
2014-07-25 17:32:40 julee: I can always work on a clean install locally, track my changes, then when you upgrade, do it officially.
2014-07-25 17:32:56 renoirb: Do you have virtualbox installed on your computer?
2014-07-25 17:33:01 julee: Maybe we should talk about it Tuesday. I think it's a priority.
2014-07-25 17:33:16 renoirb: its up to you, i'm on SSO, its taking too long already.
2014-07-25 17:34:51 julee: Of course. Definitely don't let me distract you — unless we all agree to drive you crazy! ;-)
2014-07-25 17:35:15 julee: I'll talk with Jen about this when we meet to finalize the bugbase changes that we can make via the default admin interface.
2014-07-25 17:35:20 julee: gui
2014-07-25 17:35:23 julee: thingie
2014-07-25 17:36:27 julee: jensimmons : I need more time. Can we meet @ 11a/2p?
2014-07-25 17:36:32 jensimmons: sure
2014-07-25 17:36:40 julee: see you on skype then.
2014-07-25 17:36:44 jensimmons: cool
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2014-07-25 18:30:21 renoirb: Just spent an hour trying to write a regex to extract domain name out of a string.
2014-07-25 18:30:45 renoirb: var a = 'https://docs.webplatform.org/asdflkjas/lkjasdflkjas';  And ONLY get docs.webplatform.org part.
2014-07-25 18:31:46 renoirb: var urlObj = new URL(a);   then urlObj.host; // docs.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 18:32:09 renoirb: I hate the internet sometimes.
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2014-07-25 20:06:23 renoirb: eliezerb, it should be working fo ryou now
2014-07-25 20:06:31 renoirb: eliezerb, http://docs.webplatform.org/test/asdf
2014-07-25 20:06:41 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=asdf&action=history
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2014-07-25 20:08:46 eliezerb: renoirb: Thanks a lot!
2014-07-25 20:08:53 eliezerb: renoirb: And Happy Birthday!
2014-07-25 20:08:58 renoirb: Hey thanks!!
2014-07-25 20:09:17 eliezerb: ^.^
2014-07-25 20:09:22 eliezerb: wish you the best!
2014-07-25 20:09:45 shepazu: renoirb, re: regex for domain name… what language were you using?
2014-07-25 20:09:50 renoirb: Actually its not the real date of birthday, i just add some entropy to it :)
2014-07-25 20:09:58 renoirb: JavaScript
2014-07-25 20:10:09 eliezerb: -.-
2014-07-25 20:10:13 shepazu: renoirb, why didn't you just use window.location.host?
2014-07-25 20:10:28 renoirb: i was wrinting regex — im getting good at it —  but discovered that in javascript we have the URL object.
2014-07-25 20:10:43 shepazu: yeah...
2014-07-25 20:10:49 renoirb: var myUrl = new URL('https://docs.a.b.c.webplatform.org/hi/mom');
2014-07-25 20:11:05 renoirb: I want the  docs.a.b.c.webplatform.org, just do       myUrl.hostname;
2014-07-25 20:11:06 renoirb: boom!
2014-07-25 20:11:18 shepazu: right
2014-07-25 20:11:44 renoirb: I have to get the hostname part, and then test it against a regex
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2014-07-25 20:12:30 renoirb: to be sure it ends by either: webplatform.org$   or mroftalpbew.org$      so a.b.c.webplatform.org works, but not webplatform.com.org
2014-07-25 20:12:34 renoirb: and so on.
2014-07-25 20:12:47 shepazu: I guess I don't understand why you needed to use regex
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2014-07-25 20:46:44 renoirb: shepazu, I have to validate who is sending messages to the account server.
2014-07-25 20:47:49 renoirb: So, when i postMessage() to the iframe, it sends a MessageEvent with a few properties. Before replying to that message event, I am making a few checks.
2014-07-25 20:47:50 shepazu: renoirb, understood… but couldn't you do that with URL splitters, rather than regex?
2014-07-25 20:48:25 renoirb: var a = new URL("http://docs.webplatform.org/Hi/Mom");  // a.hostname =>  docs.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 20:48:44 shepazu: ok...
2014-07-25 20:48:47 renoirb: Right, that's also what i'm doing if it doesnt support URL
2014-07-25 20:48:56 renoirb: var urlIsSupported = typeof URL === 'function'
2014-07-25 20:49:11 renoirb: if that returns false, it will run like you said
2014-07-25 20:49:12 renoirb: return urlString.split('/')[2];
2014-07-25 20:49:24 shepazu: nm, this isn't helping you move forward, I'll shut up
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2014-07-25 21:08:15 AmeliaBR: Ahoy renoirb...
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2014-07-25 21:13:40 renoirb: ahoy AmeliaBR
2014-07-25 21:14:14 AmeliaBR: If I was to make a change to a template that affects many pages (Template:API Object), when would be a good time?
2014-07-25 21:17:37 AmeliaBR: Also for renoirb:  I still can't log in to the test wiki.  I do the reset password thing, then I use the password I just set, and it gives me "incorrect password"
2014-07-25 21:18:31 renoirb: AmeliaBR, reset password where? does it get to a view within the wiki, or only in the new thing?
2014-07-25 21:18:48 AmeliaBR: The new Firefox login system
2014-07-25 21:19:21 AmeliaBR: Hitting "Log in" on the test wiki redirects me to: https://accounts.webplatform.org/signin?client_id=7e7e11299d95d789&state=d1de58503f93deed&scope=session
2014-07-25 21:19:21 renoirb: ok, good.
2014-07-25 21:19:22 renoirb: let me see
2014-07-25 21:19:26 renoirb: perfect.
2014-07-25 21:19:42 renoirb: and it sends you an email too?
2014-07-25 21:20:04 renoirb: i.e. you get the reset password email from the accounts system?
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2014-07-25 21:20:10 AmeliaBR: Yep.  Clicked the link in the email, I got a screen where I had to enter the new password twice
2014-07-25 21:20:23 renoirb: Ok, now delete all your cookies
2014-07-25 21:20:28 AmeliaBR: Clicked okay, and it re-directs to the "Sign in to WebPlatform Test" page
2014-07-25 21:20:34 renoirb: i'm going to handle cookies conflicts soon.
2014-07-25 21:20:45 renoirb: Right.
2014-07-25 21:20:59 renoirb: If you get to accounts.webplatform.org do you see that you are signed in?
2014-07-25 21:21:29 renoirb: If so, just delete all cookies for docs.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 21:22:04 AmeliaBR: Cleared cookie, tried again, still getting "incorrect password"
2014-07-25 21:22:39 AmeliaBR: Are there character restrictions on passwords?  I have a symbol character which maybe is causing encoding problems...
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2014-07-25 21:23:26 renoirb: are you on firefox AmeliaBR ?
2014-07-25 21:23:29 renoirb: on a mac?
2014-07-25 21:23:38 renoirb: FN+SHIFT+F2
2014-07-25 21:23:41 renoirb: cookie list
2014-07-25 21:23:42 AmeliaBR: Chrome on Win7
2014-07-25 21:23:47 renoirb: ok.
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2014-07-25 21:24:05 AmeliaBR: I'll check cookies again.  I only cleared accounts.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 21:24:29 renoirb: in developer tools, check in resources -> cookies, and delete ALL cookies you see for docs.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 21:24:49 renoirb: the confusion is at docs.webplatform.org
2014-07-25 21:25:00 renoirb: I am working on syncing them.
2014-07-25 21:25:20 renoirb: So if you logout on accounts.webplatform.org and you happen to get to a wiki page, itll log out in there too
2014-07-25 21:25:59 AmeliaBR: Still no go.  I can try doing another password reset...?
2014-07-25 21:26:03 renoirb: And in the opposite, if you have a sessiuon in accounts.webplatform.org (it lasts longer than the wiki itself), and you had a session six hours ago on the wiki, itll recover a new wiki sesion for you.
2014-07-25 21:26:17 renoirb: not a password issue. cookie issue.
2014-07-25 21:26:26 renoirb: i /am/ working on that .
2014-07-25 21:26:38 renoirb: let me see something though.
2014-07-25 21:28:58 renoirb: Try again
2014-07-25 21:29:27 renoirb: AmeliaBR, its caching. I'm overriding docs.webplatform.org to a server directly so I dont have to clear Varnish cache at each deploy.
2014-07-25 21:29:29 renoirb: look again
2014-07-25 21:29:45 AmeliaBR: k just a sec
2014-07-25 21:30:28 AmeliaBR: still nothing.  All cookies cleared on my end.
2014-07-25 21:32:37 AmeliaBR: And it wasn't the symbol, either; tried it with an all alphanumeric password...
2014-07-25 21:33:54 renoirb: what do you mean "symbol"?
2014-07-25 21:34:18 renoirb: i can tell you, if accounts.webplatform.org says you are signed in, you dont need to worry about the rest.
2014-07-25 21:34:31 renoirb: And I need to know what specifics you have so I can help you.
2014-07-25 21:34:41 AmeliaBR: A non-letter non-number in the password.  Some password systems choke on them...
2014-07-25 21:34:50 renoirb: that one wont! :)
2014-07-25 21:35:04 AmeliaBR: accounts.webplatform.org just redirects me to the signin page
2014-07-25 21:35:23 renoirb: like I said, as long as you go to a new tab at accounts.webplatform.org and see "You are signed in as ..." its all it needs.
2014-07-25 21:35:32 renoirb: the rest is problems due to ... i'm working on it :)
2014-07-25 21:35:46 renoirb dosnt have time to devleop locally.
2014-07-25 21:36:14 renoirb: erhm. Create a set of local VMs that replicates the production setup so no surprises at deploy time.
2014-07-25 21:36:29 renoirb: oh, so sign in then  :)
2014-07-25 21:36:33 renoirb: Then, itll be fine.
2014-07-25 21:36:46 renoirb: e.g. will have what's required for the other part to do its job.
2014-07-25 21:39:47 AmeliaBR: I don't know.  I'm definitely not logged in, though.  Maybe ask some other users to try setting up accounts, so we can try to narrow down what's causing the problems?
2014-07-25 21:40:34 AmeliaBR: Anyway, renoirb:  My original question was "If I was to make a change to a template that affects many pages (Template:API Object), when would be a good time?"
2014-07-25 21:41:00 AmeliaBR: (assuming you trust me to change the main wiki without experimenting on the test wiki first)
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2014-07-25 21:41:28 renoirb: sure AmeliaBR.
2014-07-25 21:41:36 renoirb: But please, understand, i'm actively working on it.
2014-07-25 21:41:39 renoirb: ok, let me do something
2014-07-25 21:42:16 AmeliaBR: I know.  Let me know if you want me to give it another go.
2014-07-25 21:42:48 renoirb: cannot now, its incomplete and i am trying to be heads down on making things work.
2014-07-25 21:42:55 renoirb: and you need to be there now.
2014-07-25 21:43:08 renoirb: So, i'm going to remove my work in progress, and disable the SSO extension from there.
2014-07-25 21:43:11 renoirb: wait a second
2014-07-25 21:44:04 renoirb: ok AmeliaBR, you can use the test wiki without the SSO enabled.
2014-07-25 21:45:03 AmeliaBR: Thanks!
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2014-07-26 00:38:56 AmeliaBR: eliezerb:  SSO was turned off on the test wiki because I wasn't able to log in.
2014-07-26 00:39:53 AmeliaBR: P.S.  I just sent out an email, but I wouldn't mind your feedback on the template I've been playing around with: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:API_Object_new
2014-07-26 00:40:07 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Oh!
2014-07-26 00:40:17 eliezerb: I got the log and saw what happened
2014-07-26 00:40:33 eliezerb: So, I'll wait until test wiki get back to play with Compatable Templates
2014-07-26 00:41:01 AmeliaBR: eliezerb:  Had you been able to use the new log in system okay?  We couldn't figure out why it wasn't accepting my password/letting me reset my password...
2014-07-26 00:41:34 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: I had some issues yesterday too
2014-07-26 00:41:43 eliezerb: But my problem was kinda different
2014-07-26 00:41:56 AmeliaBR: The test wiki is still working fine for playing around with anything other than SSO.
2014-07-26 00:42:51 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: But I logged with SSO :)
2014-07-26 00:43:26 AmeliaBR: My old password and account still worked, regardless of all the password reset attempts with the new system.
2014-07-26 00:49:17 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: can you provide a pastebin of your template?
2014-07-26 00:49:28 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: MW do not me want close
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2014-07-26 02:01:53 AmeliaBR: Not sure if you're still here eliezerb, but this is the template text:  http://pastebin.com/YQHbhxC1
2014-07-26 02:02:11 AmeliaBR: ...It's really easier if you can just look at the end result, though!
2014-07-26 02:29:32 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Yup!
2014-07-26 02:29:44 eliezerb: Those inner templates are horrible
2014-07-26 02:30:33 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Great! Looks very nice and clean :D
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2014-07-26 03:19:58 AmeliaBR: Thanks eliezerb.  I'm signing off now.  If you still need the new SSO system for the test wiki, I'm sure RenoirB can flick a switch for you tomorrow.
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2014-07-26 04:16:39 renoirb: The username is elizerb instead of elizerb_test, the password should be the old one.
2014-07-26 04:16:54 renoirb: because the wiki doesnt know of the existence of the other.
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2014-07-28 21:06:21 eliezerb: renoirb: Hello
2014-07-28 21:06:32 eliezerb: The SSO system is disabled?
2014-07-28 21:06:34 renoirb: hi eliezerb, how are you?
2014-07-28 21:06:52 renoirb: i disabled it on the test wiki, i'm working with http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/ instead
2014-07-28 21:06:56 eliezerb: renoirb: I little bit tired
2014-07-28 21:06:59 renoirb: :/
2014-07-28 21:07:03 eliezerb: renoirb: oh!
2014-07-28 21:07:08 eliezerb: I can not login anymore
2014-07-28 21:07:28 renoirb: ok, eliezerb, did you try to login with your old password and the username without _test ?
2014-07-28 21:10:37 renoirb: so, eliezerb, does it work?
2014-07-28 21:10:39 eliezerb: renoirb: yup
2014-07-28 21:10:42 eliezerb: nothing
2014-07-28 21:10:55 renoirb: what do you mean?
2014-07-28 21:11:02 renoirb: oh, yup= you tried, nothing = doesnt work
2014-07-28 21:11:30 eliezerb: haha
2014-07-28 21:11:31 eliezerb: yes!
2014-07-28 21:11:46 eliezerb: I'll try to reset my password
2014-07-28 21:13:20 renoirb: i dont want to block Amelia if she needs it. I'll have her to test on the alternate domain when its time to test
2014-07-28 21:13:58 eliezerb: renoirb: YESSSSSSSSSSSS
2014-07-28 21:14:00 eliezerb: IT WORKS!
2014-07-28 21:14:02 eliezerb: WAY!
2014-07-28 21:19:56 eliezerb: renoirb: Thanks, and sorry bothering you... again
2014-07-28 21:21:11 renoirb: no worries eliezerb, i thought I was clear friday about trying this :/
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2014-07-29 17:10:01 AmeliaBR: Telcon starting...
2014-07-29 17:10:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu in the chair
2014-07-29 17:10:16 jensimmons: who’s on the call?
2014-07-29 17:10:30 eliezerb is reading
2014-07-29 17:12:13 AmeliaBR: First Topic: Translations
2014-07-29 17:12:28 AmeliaBR: shepazu: There was email discussion, what should be done?
2014-07-29 17:13:40 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  There are a couple issues.  The translation system we've got is just Mediawiki, not Semantic mediawiki.  Two issues: no way to search/filter by language, and no translation of template content; translations have to be made up just with Mediawiki formatting.
2014-07-29 17:14:07 AmeliaBR: shepazu: do we need a clear instruction for new users?
2014-07-29 17:15:00 AmeliaBR: julee:  There is some sort of material, and people are already doing this, so we might as well encourage it.
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2014-07-29 17:15:31 AmeliaBR: ...There were a number of pages (sent in email by AmeliaBR), but I clarified which one page has the reference we should be sending people
2014-07-29 17:16:13 AmeliaBR: ...also, I usually search the email list to see if anyone else is working on that language
2014-07-29 17:17:27 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  I think we need one clear reply.  We had lots of people replying with important facts, but not a consistent voice.
2014-07-29 17:18:04 AmeliaBR: julee:  We need a standard onboarding email for translators just like for new editors
2014-07-29 17:18:31 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  I might try to find people who have been working on translators to help figure out the important points
2014-07-29 17:19:10 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  I think we also need to make sure that there is one definitive page, working from what we've got but also removing any conflicting pages, so that we can just point people to that.
2014-07-29 17:19:55 AmeliaBR: julee:  There are a couple of other pages that are important discussions about what we *could* do or what we might do.  What should we do with that?  Put it in the bug base?
2014-07-29 17:21:00 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Not necessarily.  We just need to rewrite and make sure everything is connected and clear.
2014-07-29 17:21:31 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  We need to at least clearly define that these pages are discussions, and redirect to the definitive page about what is going on.
2014-07-29 17:21:54 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Oh if those pages are just theoretical discussions, maybe they should be in Bug Genie.
2014-07-29 17:22:04 AmeliaBR: shepazu: next step?
2014-07-29 17:22:20 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Write it up in Bug Genie as a user story.  I can do that.
2014-07-29 17:22:37 AmeliaBR: Next TOPIC: QASprint
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2014-07-29 17:24:04 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  Status is still slow.  I need to send out nag emails.  Including to you, shepazu.
2014-07-29 17:24:57 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  I've got Dave Gash doing mine.  And also renoir's and eliezerb's, because they're busy with Compatibility Tables templates.
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2014-07-29 17:25:11 AmeliaBR: julee: We love Dave Gash!
2014-07-29 17:26:23 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  How many left to do?
2014-07-29 17:27:32 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  Hard to estimate, since the non-English pages throw off the numbers.  About 1000.  Some people I haven't even heard from, others like Rob, have been slow but steady making pages Ready to Use as they go through.
2014-07-29 17:27:36 jensimmons: AmeliaBR: what’s the link to the status page (of what’s been Q/Aed or not)?
2014-07-29 17:27:50 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/QASprints/2014-june  (final numbers at bottom)
2014-07-29 17:28:23 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  Is it essential that everything is reviewed?  I mean, so long as pages say that they are *not* reviewed, that's okay.
2014-07-29 17:29:10 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: that doesn't currently show up.  But we could change the CSS to show a banner for unreviewed pages.
2014-07-29 17:29:44 AmeliaBR: eliot:  Before we give up, we should take stock of what we are doing, and whether we can finish this.
2014-07-29 17:30:45 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  Can we at least rally the troops, find new volunteers who maybe aren't asked to commit for so much.
2014-07-29 17:32:38 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  I can, today, send an email to my previous volunteers checking to see who is still working.
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2014-07-29 17:33:35 AmeliaBR: ...then, later this week, I'll go through what's left and break it into short (20 article) blocks, and not assign them, just ask people to check them out when they are ready to actually sit down and work on them.
2014-07-29 17:33:43 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  That sound good, thank you.
2014-07-29 17:33:51 AmeliaBR: NEXT TOPIC: Compatibility Tables
2014-07-29 17:34:31 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  Quick update.  There was some delays with Eliezerb getting logged into the test system, but he and renoirb have figured that out.  It should be happening this week.
2014-07-29 17:34:43 AmeliaBR: NEXT TOPIC.  Issue Tracker
2014-07-29 17:35:37 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  The main change we've been making is condensing the many different projects into two, content and infrastructure.  We hope that a user going to the bug tracker can now easily figure out which one to use.
2014-07-29 17:36:06 AmeliaBR: ...We've redefined infrastructure to mean anything regarding server, website, log ons
2014-07-29 17:36:12 AmeliaBR: shepazu: anything that's not content
2014-07-29 17:36:52 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: exactly.  And for content, although some people will file bugs about specific pages, the purpose is to round up all discussions about major content issues that affect many pages
2014-07-29 17:37:23 AmeliaBR: ...Beyond bugs, we really hope the system will organize all the projects and ideas we've been discussing on these calls and set up priorities.
2014-07-29 17:37:56 AmeliaBR: ...The way that it was set up, we couldn't use it to plan across different projects, to set priorities e.g. for getting ready for a DocSprint.
2014-07-29 17:38:28 AmeliaBR: ...This will allow us to keep focus on the things that we have agreed are priorities, not get distracted by new shiny things.
2014-07-29 17:38:59 AmeliaBR: ...We're using an Agile-like system.  We've simplified the number of tickets; there were too many flavours, many of which were very similar.
2014-07-29 17:39:28 AmeliaBR: ...Now we've got "bug".  Which should be explanatory.  Things that are "shipped", we thought they were done, but they're not working.
2014-07-29 17:40:57 AmeliaBR: ...Then there is "feature requests", which will not be directly used.  But if people have ideas, that's where to put it, and then if the triage team decides to go with it, it gets turned into a story ticket.
2014-07-29 17:41:39 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  And not just the triage team.  We could leave those tickets open for discussion about whether or not a feature request is a good idea and how to do it.
2014-07-29 17:42:34 AmeliaBR: julee:  For clarity, the triage team's job is to decide if this is a real issue, and if it is properly categorized.  If it is, it becomes a story, and then the story becomes the place to discuss the idea.
2014-07-29 17:42:42 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR:  Ok.  That makes sense.
2014-07-29 17:43:50 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  A bit about the "story" idea.  I know when I first started with Agile project management, it seemed unncessarily complicated, and I just wanted to go back.  So please bare with us for a few months before we reassess the system.
2014-07-29 17:44:27 AmeliaBR: ...This approach is really useful to organize the ideas, not just of what we're doing, but of why we're doing it, and all the steps of the process and the priorities.
2014-07-29 17:45:42 AmeliaBR: ...The way we've restructured Bug Genie, there are things called "Stories", which are structured in "As a {type of user}, I can {do something}".  The statement is what would the result be, if unicorns and fairies showed up and magically made it happen.
2014-07-29 17:46:08 AmeliaBR: ...It's a false statement at the time you write it, but then when the story is completed, it becomes true and we close it.
2014-07-29 17:47:09 AmeliaBR: ...But there's nothing here like "Install WordPress" or "Fix templates".  Those are tasks, not stories.  Tasks are important, but every Task, in this world, is associated with a story.  Once we decide on a story, then next thing we do is write up the tasks that need to be done.
2014-07-29 17:47:49 AmeliaBR: ...But the nice thing about stories is that you don't *have* to think about what needs to be done, you focus on what you want, and prioritize it, then you think about the technology issues.
2014-07-29 17:48:00 AmeliaBR: ...Does that make sense?
2014-07-29 17:48:36 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  I'm familiar with things similar to this, although I've never heard it cast this way.  It seems useful,to separate out the functionality from how we get to that functionality.
2014-07-29 17:49:05 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  Yes, we wanted to separate out the end goals, and our priorities for those goals based on impact on end users, from how we reach the end goals.
2014-07-29 17:49:20 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  I have no problems.  This is what I would like to do.
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2014-07-29 17:50:19 AmeliaBR: julee:  Basically, it will be a combination of bug base issue tracking with standard engineering project management.  One goal is to be able to create reports about the project, what's happening, and the priorities, that any user could go onto the system and explore.
2014-07-29 17:50:54 AmeliaBR: ...Another key part is a new home page, that is helpful both for users who want to report a bug and people who want to see the project as a whole.
2014-07-29 17:51:35 AmeliaBR: ...We will need to customize some modules for Bug Genie to make this happen, and perhaps create some new modules for specific views of the data.
2014-07-29 17:52:02 AmeliaBR: ...I've talked with renoirb a bit, but we need to discuss how to actually update it?  Pull requests on github?
2014-07-29 17:53:12 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  Most of what's installed has been there for a while.  It was handcoded with no versioning controll against the original Bug Genie code.  I need to figure out a diff against the source code, so that I can update the source code and figure out what to compare.
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2014-07-29 17:54:28 AmeliaBR: julee:  Could we just take the current snapshot and put it on github or somewhere, and then work from that.  I've already tried working with the latest Bug Genie version, but it doesn't have the customizations.
2014-07-29 17:55:19 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  I am working on trying to put everything into source control.  I want to update to the latest Bug Genie, and not have our own version of those files.
2014-07-29 17:55:59 AmeliaBR: julee:  Most of the changes we want to make are in the user interface or module files, not in the core.  Can we not work with what we've got, and update the core Bug Genie files later?
2014-07-29 17:56:09 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  That could happen.
2014-07-29 17:57:31 AmeliaBR: julee:  Because this sounds like a lot of work for you, and you have other priorities.  If you can just share the files with us, then we can try out all the changes, and you can decide whether they need to wait until Bug Genie is updated.  But the changes would all been in github.
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2014-07-29 17:58:23 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  Yeah, I see, but at some point I'm going to have to do a big diff of all the files, and that's going to be a big mess
2014-07-29 17:58:43 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: but where are the files now?
2014-07-29 17:59:24 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  It's in github, but the live version has all sorts of things like password which I can't just push to git.
2014-07-29 18:00:03 AmeliaBR: julee:  Okay, I understand now.  So if we work with what is currently on github, we can make the changes you want, and then you can go into the live files and update?
2014-07-29 18:00:32 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  Yes, that's just what I want.  I'll help show you how to make a patch on github that I can use.
2014-07-29 18:00:55 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  Okay, Julee you have a clear action, renoirb you can follow up with them.
2014-07-29 18:01:01 AmeliaBR: ...Any other topics?
2014-07-29 18:01:52 AmeliaBR: julee:  Maybe this is for next time.  I do want to talk about the community, getting people re-engaged, especially in the fall as people are coming back.  Can we work on a strategy in August to roll out in September?
2014-07-29 18:02:20 AmeliaBR: shepazu:  I'll put it on agenda for next week.  Thanks everyone.
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2014-07-30 01:52:38 renoirb: Hey eliezerb everything’s ok?
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2014-07-30 02:01:04 eliezerb: renoirb: just back
2014-07-30 02:01:14 eliezerb: renoirb: I'm finishing the Compatables template
2014-07-30 02:01:23 renoirb: \o/
2014-07-30 02:01:25 eliezerb: I just have some questions about JavaScript tables
2014-07-30 02:01:30 renoirb: ?
2014-07-30 02:01:31 eliezerb: CSS looks good
2014-07-30 02:01:44 renoirb: you mean how they get rendered?
2014-07-30 02:01:46 eliezerb: Where I can find the data from Array.sort
2014-07-30 02:02:11 eliezerb: For instance
2014-07-30 02:02:17 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/javascript/Array/sort
2014-07-30 02:04:13 eliezerb: renoirb: Did you got my question?
2014-07-30 02:04:14 renoirb: feature="array" type="javascript"
2014-07-30 02:04:17 renoirb: eliezerb
2014-07-30 02:04:33 renoirb: topic="javascript" sorry
2014-07-30 02:04:56 eliezerb: for all sub-array pages?
2014-07-30 02:05:01 eliezerb: Array.sort
2014-07-30 02:05:55 eliezerb: Array.concat
2014-07-30 02:05:55 renoirb: let me see eliezerb
2014-07-30 02:06:00 eliezerb: renoirb: Ok
2014-07-30 02:06:04 eliezerb: You can try the feature
2014-07-30 02:06:13 eliezerb: On JavaScript and CSS pages on Test wiki
2014-07-30 02:06:26 renoirb: i know there are many features, let me have a look why the crawler didnt do anything
2014-07-30 02:06:49 eliezerb: They should be at least ~working~
2014-07-30 02:08:49 renoirb: i should have those methods added to the compat importer
2014-07-30 02:09:06 renoirb: We have Flat32Array and other typed arrays, but not array itself :/
2014-07-30 02:09:13 renoirb: there are so many things to look after :(
2014-07-30 02:09:37 eliezerb: outch
2014-07-30 02:09:51 eliezerb: But on CSS the new Compatables look so beautiful
2014-07-30 02:09:56 eliezerb: Just felt in love by them
2014-07-30 02:11:13 renoirb: Every compat table can get called alone too, that’s what I love from it, same markup, many contexts
2014-07-30 02:11:26 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table
2014-07-30 02:11:34 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-radius&format=table&foresi=1
2014-07-30 02:11:41 renoirb: For a Compatibility table alone
2014-07-30 02:11:54 eliezerb: renoirb: Oh! <3
2014-07-30 02:11:59 eliezerb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Compatables?topic=css&feature=border-left&format=table
2014-07-30 02:12:01 eliezerb: :P
2014-07-30 02:12:11 eliezerb: You can try on other css properties too
2014-07-30 02:12:24 renoirb: yup, later down the road we could have other views than table.
2014-07-30 02:12:39 renoirb: I might suggest to have a different context root than /wiki/Special:Compatables
2014-07-30 02:13:47 renoirb: The table you see is always the same unless next fetch the JSON file changes ETag, the version gets purged and regenerated and saved to Memcached at next view
2014-07-30 02:14:15 eliezerb: renoirb: So the tables always will be updated?
2014-07-30 02:14:28 eliezerb: automatically?
2014-07-30 02:15:11 renoirb: well, once we update the data.json file
2014-07-30 02:15:14 renoirb: :)
2014-07-30 02:15:15 renoirb: yes
2014-07-30 02:15:31 eliezerb: renoirb: Can you try out the form section?
2014-07-30 02:15:46 eliezerb: Just to make sure it is okay? Or are you busy to do that?
2014-07-30 02:17:06 renoirb: look what I'm trying ATM, http://i.imgur.com/nNbbwSM.png
2014-07-30 02:17:29 renoirb: Its MediaWiki latest, running on HHVM, a different PHP runtime, that’s what Facebook runs with
2014-07-30 02:17:47 renoirb looking at the forms eliezerb 
2014-07-30 02:18:34 eliezerb: renoirb: Wow! Are you trying the new version of SMW also?
2014-07-30 02:20:15 renoirb: yes
2014-07-30 02:20:20 renoirb: all installed through composer.
2014-07-30 02:20:26 eliezerb: nice
2014-07-30 02:20:27 renoirb: all that’s possible to, at least.
2014-07-30 02:20:42 renoirb: i'll have compatables and authentication to be installable through composer too.
2014-07-30 02:21:09 eliezerb: renoirb: great!
2014-07-30 02:21:19 eliezerb: It'll become much easier
2014-07-30 02:22:49 renoirb: yes, i'm using Wikimedia Vagrant VM and adding our features on top of it, they are already maintaining a vagrant VM, i'll save time.
2014-07-30 02:23:10 eliezerb: renoirb: About the forms?
2014-07-30 02:23:14 eliezerb: Looking cool to you?
2014-07-30 02:23:24 renoirb: Also, HHVM supports Hack.  <?hh     function hi(): int {  return 1; }
2014-07-30 02:23:26 eliezerb: Or at least orking
2014-07-30 02:23:37 eliezerb: working
2014-07-30 02:23:55 renoirb: just logged in, I overriden my account with SSO, let me go there now
2014-07-30 02:25:13 renoirb: That’s perfect eliezerb !!
2014-07-30 02:25:22 eliezerb: \o/
2014-07-30 02:25:29 eliezerb: renoirb: I just need to add some extra validation
2014-07-30 02:25:42 eliezerb: And give a better description on the Property and Template pages
2014-07-30 02:25:44 renoirb: Can you put a note to only select format="table", list is not done yet.
2014-07-30 02:25:48 eliezerb is not good with that
2014-07-30 02:25:52 renoirb: ok!
2014-07-30 02:26:23 renoirb: Can you remove redundant "Compability " for each property  labels, too :)
2014-07-30 02:26:42 eliezerb: renoirb: What do you suggest?
2014-07-30 02:27:19 renoirb: Also, add a class name (e.g. wpd-compat-autocomplete)   to the compabitiliy feature, i'll hack a JavaScript Auto Completer later
2014-07-30 02:27:48 eliezerb: Oh!
2014-07-30 02:27:49 eliezerb: Got it
2014-07-30 02:28:05 renoirb: You might make it an id, but a className will do.
2014-07-30 02:28:08 eliezerb: class name o.O
2014-07-30 02:28:21 renoirb: i want to make the class name obvious :)
2014-07-30 02:29:00 eliezerb: Just figuring out where to add it
2014-07-30 02:29:08 renoirb: wait, i think in my gist its there already
2014-07-30 02:29:48 renoirb: <nowiki>{{{field|Compatibility_feature|property=Compatibility_feature|input type=text|class=behavior-autocomplete-from-json}}}</nowiki>
2014-07-30 02:30:06 eliezerb: just got
2014-07-30 02:30:08 eliezerb: I'll update
2014-07-30 02:30:24 eliezerb: Do you mind in help me with a better documentation on those template files?
2014-07-30 02:30:31 eliezerb: Not today
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2014-07-30 02:33:54 renoirb: no problem!
2014-07-30 02:34:24 renoirb: Did you use my gist at all?
2014-07-30 02:35:00 eliezerb: renoirb: Sure!
2014-07-30 02:35:08 eliezerb: You actually did almost all the work
2014-07-30 02:35:16 renoirb: we'll find the relevant pages and make it self-documented
2014-07-30 02:35:16 eliezerb: Thinking the ways to solve the problem :D
2014-07-30 02:35:30 eliezerb: I listed the pages here
2014-07-30 02:35:40 eliezerb: I just want to make sure to let the templates more accurate
2014-07-30 02:35:47 eliezerb: using some #if
2014-07-30 02:35:48 renoirb: thanks, but I couldn’t finish.
2014-07-30 02:36:06 renoirb: we’ll have to remove the old compat tables from the pages too
2014-07-30 02:36:09 eliezerb: renoirb: This is why I'm here
2014-07-30 02:36:25 eliezerb: renoirb: Actually the templates are not hardcoded on the pages
2014-07-30 02:36:38 eliezerb: renoirb: They're inside the template Compatibility_Section
2014-07-30 02:36:47 eliezerb: We can just update them to new Template
2014-07-30 02:36:59 eliezerb: Then all the pages will have the same kind of content
2014-07-30 02:37:18 renoirb: I mean, we will have to remove from the edit form AND page view all of the old compat data stuff
2014-07-30 02:37:32 eliezerb: renoirb:
2014-07-30 02:37:39 renoirb: ok
2014-07-30 02:37:42 eliezerb: It's what I said
2014-07-30 02:37:50 eliezerb: Everythng is in two files
2014-07-30 02:38:01 eliezerb: Template:Compatibility_Section and Template:Compatibility_Form_Section
2014-07-30 02:38:18 eliezerb: Updating both, we'll have new forms and new content
2014-07-30 02:38:18 renoirb: Ok, so your change already does that?
2014-07-30 02:38:24 eliezerb: yup
2014-07-30 02:38:26 renoirb: cool!
2014-07-30 02:38:35 renoirb: 2 edits, 2349874389074280974218904327894 jobs
2014-07-30 02:38:38 eliezerb: There's no more old Compatables on the test wiki
2014-07-30 02:38:45 renoirb: :D
2014-07-30 02:38:48 eliezerb: renoirb: kinda
2014-07-30 02:38:50 eliezerb: :P
2014-07-30 02:38:56 eliezerb: This is the good part of SMW
2014-07-30 02:39:22 eliezerb: renoirb: Man, I've been missing doing stuff on WPD
2014-07-30 02:40:46 eliezerb: renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Template:Compatibility_Form_Section&diff=14882&oldid=2083
2014-07-30 02:40:49 eliezerb: Like this...
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2014-07-30 02:45:19 renoirb: This is a slim cure!
2014-07-30 02:47:12 eliezerb: renoirb: Yes! Not crazy tables anymore
2014-07-30 02:47:29 eliezerb: s/not/no
2014-07-30 02:47:36 eliezerb: Sorry almost midnight here in BRA
2014-07-30 02:47:37 eliezerb: lol
2014-07-30 02:50:37 renoirb: oh :|
2014-07-30 02:50:44 renoirb: we have one hour difference.
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2014-07-30 02:51:17 eliezerb: renoirb: Yeah! So it's time to get some sleep
2014-07-30 02:51:30 renoirb: For ptressel, its something like 20:00 iirc
2014-07-30 02:51:34 eliezerb: Talk with you tomorrow to improve the templates, document then
2014-07-30 02:51:39 renoirb: ok!
2014-07-30 02:51:45 eliezerb: Then sent the email to the list
2014-07-30 02:51:51 renoirb: :D
2014-07-30 02:51:54 eliezerb: And finally put them to work on the Main Wiki
2014-07-30 02:52:03 eliezerb: Then, P-A-R-T-Y
2014-07-30 02:52:46 ptressel: ;-)
2014-07-30 02:52:52 eliezerb: hey ptressel
2014-07-30 02:54:53 ptressel: o/
2014-07-30 02:57:47 renoirb: Hey!!
2014-07-30 02:57:53 renoirb: I stumbled upon this https://hashcash.io/
2014-07-30 02:58:03 renoirb: seems interresting to help load scammer computers :)
2014-07-30 02:58:59 ptressel: Very interesting.
2014-07-30 02:59:10 renoirb: Not for the money, just that it requires intensive work from the browser to actually do something.
2014-07-30 02:59:24 renoirb: thought that ptressel would love it :)
2014-07-30 02:59:33 ptressel: Sort of like small transaction fees on high speed trading -- it preferentially affects the ones abusing the system.
2014-07-30 02:59:46 ptressel: But little effect on normal use.
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2014-07-31 02:43:59 eliezerb: renoirb: Sorry, got busy and was not able to work on those templates, sorry =x
2014-07-31 02:59:03 renoirb: Hi eliezerb, no problem. I have also work to do for iecustomizer that isn’t done yet.
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2014-07-31 16:59:38 AmeliaBR: I want to deploy a new version of Template:Examples_Form_Section with clearer explanations in the labels, but I don't want to start an infinite update loop!  Ping me when you'll be able to handle it.
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2014-07-31 17:20:57 shepazu: renoirb, you got your ears on?
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2014-07-31 17:25:28 renoirb: yes AmeliaBR
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2014-07-31 17:39:07 renoirb: AmeliaBR, you tried the template in the test wiki? I'm about to rollout compatables work soon.   When Eliezer says its fine, that is.
2014-07-31 17:40:12 AmeliaBR: I haven't run it in the test wiki.  I'm not changing any functionality, just the label text.
2014-07-31 17:41:28 renoirb: right, ok AmeliaBR
2014-07-31 17:41:36 renoirb: let me see to make sure the task runner doesnt explode
2014-07-31 17:42:02 AmeliaBR: Ok.  Let me know when you want me to give it a go, renoirb
2014-07-31 17:42:15 renoirb: Go ahead AmeliaBR
2014-07-31 17:42:29 renoirb: i'll have the thing under my watch
2014-07-31 17:44:15 AmeliaBR: Thanks Renoirb.  It's saved, so keep an eye on your logs.  Not really sure if form templates will have the same problem as page templates, but I guess we'll find out!
2014-07-31 17:46:14 renoirb: ok
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2014-07-31 22:02:47 AAA_awright: I'm looking at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/Node/cloneNode because I'm currently figuring out an issue with CSS selectors and cloned nodes...
2014-07-31 22:03:44 AAA_awright: I've grafted a DOM Node from another document (XHR) into the current document, but changes to className don't apply CSS styles
2014-07-31 22:04:07 AAA_awright: I'm not sure if that's a quirk of DOM, but that would be an appropriate place to document gotchas, right?
2014-07-31 22:06:24 renoirb: I think it makes sense AAA_awright
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2014-07-31 22:21:40 AAA_awright: Actually, nvm, I had an xmlns issue
2014-07-31 22:23:00 AAA_awright: On that subject, any objections to using http://www.w3.org/TR/html-polyglot/ for everything? (If not I might ask the mailing list about that)
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2014-08-01 00:19:22 renoirb: jensimmons, did you try to login more than once on the blog?
2014-08-01 00:19:32 jensimmons: yes
2014-08-01 00:19:39 jensimmons: from three different browers
2014-08-01 00:19:42 renoirb: Ok, it failed the first time for me too.
2014-08-01 00:19:46 renoirb: Tried again, worked.
2014-08-01 00:19:47 renoirb: ok.
2014-08-01 00:20:03 jensimmons: oh, it worked this time
2014-08-01 00:20:06 jensimmons: weird
2014-08-01 00:20:09 jensimmons: still a bug
2014-08-01 00:20:21 jensimmons: it seems like a db that’s been hacked to me
2014-08-01 00:20:31 renoirb: right, i'll spend some time soon on Varnish again and make sure this doesnt stay
2014-08-01 00:20:31 jensimmons has had dozens of WP sites hacked
2014-08-01 00:20:50 jensimmons: it’s up to date at least
2014-08-01 00:20:59 jensimmons: and therefore now in auto-update
2014-08-01 00:21:05 jensimmons: key to staying Not Hacked
2014-08-01 00:21:15 jensimmons: key #2, constant db backups
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2014-08-01 00:23:41 AAA_awright: Chrome says document.getElementsByTagName returns a NodeList, but I don't see it documented anywhere. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/Document/getElementsByTagName says just "object"
2014-08-01 00:25:01 jensimmons: renoirb: where is the menu configured for the blog?
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2014-08-01 00:26:41 AAA_awright: DOM level 2 says it does return a NodeList, should I create that page? It seems like it would already have existed
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2014-08-01 00:27:25 jensimmons: renoirb: you can answer that here http://project.webplatform.org/infrastructure/issues/88 when you have time
2014-08-01 00:28:09 renoirb: jensimmons, I welcomed that new WordPress feature.
2014-08-01 00:28:33 renoirb: (the menu question) wait jensimmons, will show you
2014-08-01 00:28:58 renoirb: jensimmons, in https://github.com/webplatform/webplatform-wordpress-theme
2014-08-01 00:29:05 jensimmons: ok
2014-08-01 00:29:17 renoirb is searching the exact spot
2014-08-01 00:29:43 renoirb: Here https://github.com/webplatform/webplatform-wordpress-theme/blob/master/header.php#L83  < jensimmons
2014-08-01 00:35:07 jensimmons: the wiki has been retired completely, yes?
2014-08-01 00:35:41 renoirb: jensimmons, what do you mean?
2014-08-01 00:35:48 renoirb: wiki retired?
2014-08-01 00:35:52 jensimmons: I mean it doesn’t exist anymore, right?
2014-08-01 00:35:57 renoirb: where?
2014-08-01 00:36:00 jensimmons: the wiki
2014-08-01 00:36:05 renoirb: which, wiki?
2014-08-01 00:36:09 jensimmons: the Web Platform Docs wiki
2014-08-01 00:36:17 jensimmons: was there more than one?
2014-08-01 00:36:28 jensimmons: forums, retired
2014-08-01 00:36:39 jensimmons: talk.webplatform.org retired
2014-08-01 00:36:51 renoirb: 1.  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/    2.  http://docs.webplatform.org/test/    3. http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki
2014-08-01 00:36:53 jensimmons: was there another system, “the wiki”?
2014-08-01 00:37:10 jensimmons: Oh, this ticket is talking about the MediaWiki installation?
2014-08-01 00:37:13 jensimmons: I guess so
2014-08-01 00:37:14 jensimmons: sorry
2014-08-01 00:37:20 jensimmons: no, that’s not been retired
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2014-08-01 00:37:30 renoirb: three different installations, and I do not see why I would retire the most important part  #1 that is.
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2014-08-01 00:37:41 renoirb: I /just/ removed talk.webplatform.org
2014-08-01 00:37:49 renoirb: Updated some DNS records.
2014-08-01 00:38:04 jensimmons: no, I’m not saying you should retire it
2014-08-01 00:38:09 renoirb: talk?
2014-08-01 00:38:17 renoirb: what will we do with it?
2014-08-01 00:38:22 jensimmons: I’m reading old project management tickets that are confusing, because they are refering to “the wiki"
2014-08-01 00:38:28 jensimmons: I understand now
2014-08-01 00:38:31 jensimmons: thanks
2014-08-01 00:38:35 jensimmons: we are done thinking about this
2014-08-01 00:38:37 jensimmons: all done
2014-08-01 00:38:45 renoirb: "the wiki" ... is #1, i agree with that name :)
2014-08-01 00:39:20 renoirb: I'm rebuilding MediaWiki from scratch, lots of hardcoded, non source controlled, and confusing configuration lines.
2014-08-01 00:39:41 jensimmons: don’t worry about it
2014-08-01 00:39:52 jensimmons: I wasn’t asking about where your brain has travelled
2014-08-01 00:39:59 jensimmons: I’m all set
2014-08-01 00:39:59 renoirb: My version on my laptop runs on HHVM (Facebook rewrite of PHP, that’s what they run for their site)
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2014-08-01 00:40:05 renoirb: ok!
2014-08-01 00:40:26 eliezerb: renoirb: Just mailed the list with the templates for Compatables
2014-08-01 00:40:28 renoirb: You were talking about theme changes, i'm saying its going there soon.
2014-08-01 00:40:47 eliezerb: renoirb: I was not able of comment or describe those pages
2014-08-01 00:40:50 eliezerb: Sorry :/
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2014-08-01 00:49:41 renoirb: which pages?
2014-08-01 00:49:47 eliezerb: renoirb: cannot find data
2014-08-01 00:50:08 eliezerb: You mean... This page does not have a Compatibility Table
2014-08-01 00:58:06 renoirb: yes, precisely :)
2014-08-01 00:58:25 eliezerb: I'll do it, soon...
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2014-08-03 18:55:42 eliezerb: renoirb: Are you there?
2014-08-03 18:55:51 renoirb: Hi eliezerb !
2014-08-03 18:55:52 renoirb: yes
2014-08-03 18:56:07 eliezerb: renoirb: Congrats again for the 1 year :D
2014-08-03 18:56:30 renoirb: Thanks!!
2014-08-03 18:56:40 eliezerb: I'm working on that templates :)
2014-08-03 18:56:45 renoirb: Oh, good to know.
2014-08-03 18:56:46 eliezerb: Just need a second opinion
2014-08-03 18:56:57 eliezerb: Can you have a look on a line of text?
2014-08-03 18:57:33 eliezerb: About this point * The default value for format should be assigned in the Compatibility_Section template using the {{{format|table}}} structure.  The default you specify in the form only applies to new pages, not existing pages, so existing pages have an error message instead of a table, see http://docs.webplatform.org/test/dom/apis/document/getElementById
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2014-08-05 17:06:23 renoirb: shepazu its me
2014-08-05 17:06:26 renoirb: you hear me?
2014-08-05 17:06:37 renoirb: i can scribe
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2014-08-05 17:07:43 renoirb: i will mute
2014-08-05 17:08:07 renoirb: start meeting
2014-08-05 17:08:10 renoirb: scribenick: renoirb
2014-08-05 17:08:24 renoirb: shepazu: Amelia can you update us on the QASprint
2014-08-05 17:08:39 renoirb: Amelia: yes, as you might have seen the mailing ilst, i've been reorganizing list
2014-08-05 17:08:48 renoirb: ... there is still close to thousand of articles
2014-08-05 17:09:33 renoirb: ... beyond that, we discussed about details in the templates and other things to change, but we will work on that later
2014-08-05 17:10:06 renoirb: Jen: If takes longer and longer; we should be able to keep going and eventually get it all done
2014-08-05 17:10:14 renoirb: shepazu: opinion
2014-08-05 17:10:22 renoirb: ... ?
2014-08-05 17:10:51 renoirb: shepazu: Personally I would there might be value in the idea of "declaring victory" on a set of pages
2014-08-05 17:11:21 renoirb: ... I heard Eliot and we should hold off until its complete, so I have mixed feelings, maybe we should do nothing until a few more weeks
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2014-08-05 17:12:18 renoirb: Jen: The homepage has those boxes (columns) saying about readiness. I'm not sure if its a good idea anymore because the pages themselves has the flag individually
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2014-08-05 17:12:44 renoirb: ... if that’s the case, we should figure out now how which ones belong to which columns
2014-08-05 17:13:50 renoirb: (sorry, lost the last 30 seconds)
2014-08-05 17:14:39 renoirb: Amelia: you are right, at some point we should make sure that the categories are in the right places since we will have a set of real data to help us categorize
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2014-08-05 17:16:17 renoirb: Amelia, Jen, Eliot [agrees on the idea of using the numbers from the readiness flags to categorize readiness categories on the home page]
2014-08-05 17:17:34 renoirb: shepazu: Amelia, have you been using D3?
2014-08-05 17:17:52 renoirb: Amelia: yes, i have been. But i have no idea how to pull numbers from MW though
2014-08-05 17:18:05 renoirb: shepazu: We should work together on that
2014-08-05 17:19:09 renoirb: shepazu: Thanks for bringing this idea jen, its great
2014-08-05 17:19:15 renoirb: ... anything else on that topic.
2014-08-05 17:19:22 renoirb: TOPIC: Issue tracker and TODOs
2014-08-05 17:19:38 renoirb: shepazu: Julee, Jen, do you wanna give a status update?
2014-08-05 17:20:03 renoirb: Julee: We have been triaging all the bugs, and also the topic/story task organization
2014-08-05 17:20:28 renoirb: ... the next thing we are hoping to do is to improve the report views on the home page and i have been working on getting it installed and running this week
2014-08-05 17:20:52 renoirb: ... the version we are using has sevral blocker bugs and i'm sure the recent version has them fixed
2014-08-05 17:21:50 renoirb: ... Once I get unblocked with a running local install; I plan to work on a few components to help visualizing and reports
2014-08-05 17:22:29 renoirb: ... I cannot work too much on it, hopefully will get some progress soon.
2014-08-05 17:22:33 renoirb: ... anything to add Jen?
2014-08-05 17:23:15 renoirb: Jen: While going through there were a lot of obvious and less
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2014-08-05 17:23:55 renoirb: ... so we should sync with Renoir about the issues and clean the last ones and be able to merge. To make sure we aren’t deleting tickets that [Renoir] is relying on.
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2014-08-05 17:24:06 renoirb: ... to get toward everything there is: DOCUMENTED
2014-08-05 17:24:27 renoirb likes that
2014-08-05 17:24:55 renoirb julee can you double check If i forgotten something?
2014-08-05 17:25:17 renoirb: ... make sure we document what we is documented.
2014-08-05 17:25:33 renoirb: AmeliaBr: Sounds good
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2014-08-05 17:26:55 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Log/comments
2014-08-05 17:28:00 renoirb: renoirb: we should also look at the commenting system that has maybe migrated to issues
2014-08-05 17:28:07 renoirb: ... e.g. @18:52, 4 July 2014 Caraya (Talk | contribs) + comment (webgl#comment-478 - IE 11 now supports WebGL and it is active in Safari 8 (iOS8 and OSX 10.10))"
2014-08-05 17:29:35 renoirb: Jen: thanks for pointing that out, I wasnt aware of it.
2014-08-05 17:30:01 renoirb: ... comments arent going to be issues its conversation
2014-08-05 17:30:12 renoirb: renoirb: right, but we might have issues hidden there, I wanted to make you aware of it
2014-08-05 17:31:09 renoirb: julee: we might want to consider assigning "owners" of particular parts
2014-08-05 17:32:07 renoirb: ... ownership of parts is impressive, i've seen it in the works on MDN. I have been refereed by a community member about an issue on CSS and it was a volunteer who were answering to me
2014-08-05 17:32:35 renoirb: ... of course we are groing "organically" but in the long run we might like to go toward that
2014-08-05 17:33:08 renoirb: shepazu: I like julee’s inspiration, but share Amelia’s concern about long term commitment for volunteers
2014-08-05 17:33:16 renoirb: ... its not as quite robust as it could be
2014-08-05 17:34:43 renoirb: Jen: The important is to make components available for reuse and visible by the community so people can see and contribute, which is better than the current state.
2014-08-05 17:34:57 renoirb: Julee: there should be community management plan
2014-08-05 17:35:21 renoirb: ... have a "community initiative" for next launch
2014-08-05 17:35:26 renoirb: shepazu [agrees]
2014-08-05 17:35:53 renoirb: ... I'm working internally to have some W3C team folks to come in
2014-08-05 17:36:15 renoirb: ... and help us, since they are also actively working on it
2014-08-05 17:36:33 renoirb: TOPIC: Translation
2014-08-05 17:36:53 AmeliaBr: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/111
2014-08-05 17:36:58 AmeliaBr: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/113
2014-08-05 17:38:13 renoirb: Jen: I created two issues [113, 111] to document what we discussed last week.
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2014-08-05 17:40:57 renoirb: ... we should continue summarizing the tasks and getting in touch
2014-08-05 17:41:04 renoirb: ... before going further
2014-08-05 17:41:38 jensimmons: Here’s the ticket I creted: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/111
2014-08-05 17:41:44 jensimmons: about translation documentiong
2014-08-05 17:42:31 jensimmons: (I created a ticket about documentation on how people can help with translations, not about whatever ren. is talking about right now)
2014-08-05 17:44:20 renoirb: renoirb: < pointed out about a possibility to see i18n extensions, maybe there’s improvement compared to what we had when we deployed current version
2014-08-05 17:44:30 renoirb: TOPIC: Compatibility tables
2014-08-05 17:44:37 renoirb: shepazu: can you update us renoir
2014-08-05 17:44:39 renoirb: (renoir updated)
2014-08-05 17:44:54 renoirb and got lost track of scribing.
2014-08-05 17:47:07 renoirb: ... instead of putting in place a technical infrastructure.
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2014-08-05 17:48:00 renoirb: ... we should just have them send an email, or send a bug that says: Hey that page, the data name is wrong. Then somebody else can look it there and change the json file so it gets the correct name and have the result
2014-08-05 17:48:12 renoirb: renoirb: [agrees]
2014-08-05 17:49:01 renoirb: ... the question is: How do we surface that. Maybe to add an error message explaining whta to do, e.g. a link to creating an issue in the issue tracker
2014-08-05 17:50:55 eliot: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
2014-08-05 17:51:39 renoirb: ... lets get off list with renoir to see how to change the extension to help the users so we dont rely on templates
2014-08-05 17:55:25 renoirb: AmeliaBr: can you scribe?
2014-08-05 17:56:58 AmeliaBr: renoirb:  OK
2014-08-05 17:57:20 AmeliaBr: TOPIC: Bugs with Dabblet (code.webplatform.org in IE11)
2014-08-05 17:58:25 AmeliaBr: shepazu: This is a major concern.  We need to make a new process to always test in all major browsers before deploying things.
2014-08-05 17:59:01 AmeliaBr: ...currently, renoirb tests what he can, and then sends a note out to the email list asking for people to test and give feedback, but it isn't really structured.
2014-08-05 17:59:37 AmeliaBr: julee:  We really need to test things properly before we deploy.  This has to happend.
2014-08-05 18:00:12 AmeliaBr: shepazu:  We understand that, we just need to have a structure, a standard process to follow this.
2014-08-05 18:00:40 renoirb agrees
2014-08-05 18:00:52 AmeliaBr: eliot:  proper testing is a requirement, not a feature request.  Anything that I can do to help that, let me know
2014-08-05 18:01:22 renoirb: Important point: we all know that testing is primordial.
2014-08-05 18:01:41 AmeliaBr: shepazu: Well, for starters, any time renoir sends out a note that he has something ready for last testing, you can make sure that one of your team at Microsoft is able to look through it.
2014-08-05 18:01:46 renoirb: ... we are in the catching up process. Lets work toward improving.
2014-08-05 18:02:25 AmeliaBr: eliot: Of course.  But we want to do this before things are deployed, not catching bugs later.
2014-08-05 18:02:56 julee: My idea was: one table to point members to, so they can do the minimum tests
2014-08-05 18:03:09 AmeliaBr: shepazu:  exactly.  And if it turns out to be a major problem, maybe we will want to switch to a different system (vs Dabblet), one which has wider support community
2014-08-05 18:03:12 julee: That way, Renoirb doesn't have to remember to do all the testing himself.
2014-08-05 18:03:35 julee: bye!
2014-08-05 18:03:40 AmeliaBr: eliot:  For this case, we're looking in to it and it looks like it might be a quick fix.
2014-08-05 18:05:33 AmeliaBr: renoirb, can you compile the IRC transcript and send the note to the mailing list?
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2014-08-06 23:54:09 Lurker: Hey, I don't know if that's a temporary issue, but I tried to access https://docs.webplatform.org/ and the server supports HTTPS, but the references to the stylesheets in the HTML are hardcoded to HTTP ('http://docs.webplatform.org/w/load.php?[...]')
2014-08-06 23:55:45 Lurker: so the content loads, but the page is unstyled and with no images
2014-08-06 23:56:34 emerson: i don't think its set up to handle HTTPS yet
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2014-08-07 00:04:38 emerson: renoirb: should i file a bug for that^ ?
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2014-08-07 00:26:36 renoirb: Hi emerson, I got a mail from your message saying: "renoirb: should i file a bug for that^ ?"
2014-08-07 00:26:39 renoirb is reading it now :)
2014-08-07 00:27:12 emerson: renoirb: you get emails from IRC notifications?
2014-08-07 00:27:16 renoirb: Hey emerson, its a known issue. The site doesnt support HTTPS yet. I’m working on this but its not ready at all
2014-08-07 00:27:27 renoirb: emerson, yes. This is why i say ping me, i get them as email.
2014-08-07 00:28:15 emerson: ah, thats neat. Okay, i just wondered if it was something known or not. Thanks for the clarification
2014-08-07 00:29:20 renoirb: I’m currently dealing with a big mediawiki reinstall from fresh sources, and also taking steps to have an official SSL certificate from W3C.
2014-08-07 00:37:09 renoirb: emerson, do you randomly go to sites and add an 's' to http as a hobby? :)
2014-08-07 00:42:39 emerson: renoirb: haha no, I wasn't the one who originally said it on here, I just pinged you about it
2014-08-07 00:44:23 renoirb: oh, right. I see Lurker (who isn’t there anymore)
2014-08-07 00:52:24 emerson: although with people being more "security conscious" nowadays, there probably are people who see what sites have HTTPS for fun
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2014-08-07 00:59:22 renoirb: I’m among those too emerson
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2014-08-08 01:29:13 renoirb: eliezerb, yt?
2014-08-08 01:31:18 renoirb: emerson, yt?
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2014-08-08 03:01:35 eliezerb: renoirb: just arrived
2014-08-08 03:01:49 renoirb: Hey eliezerb, can you do a test for me?
2014-08-08 03:02:11 eliezerb: renoirb: sure
2014-08-08 03:02:17 renoirb: Can you try to use either http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/ or http://docs.webplatform.org/test/ and see if you have a session or if it gets in sync?
2014-08-08 03:02:48 eliezerb: renoirb: sorry
2014-08-08 03:02:52 eliezerb: Can you repeta
2014-08-08 03:04:26 renoirb: ok.
2014-08-08 03:04:26 renoirb: Can you try to use either http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/ or http://docs.webplatform.org/test/ and see if you have a session or if it gets in sync?
2014-08-08 03:04:52 eliezerb: yes!
2014-08-08 03:04:55 eliezerb: logged in both now
2014-08-08 03:05:10 renoirb: as in, to observe if you get signed in or signed off when you do an action on the other
2014-08-08 03:08:25 eliezerb: renoirb: I logged out on mrof...
2014-08-08 03:08:34 eliezerb: Received a notification on the /test
2014-08-08 03:08:39 eliezerb: But I was not logged out
2014-08-08 03:08:45 eliezerb: oops
2014-08-08 03:08:51 eliezerb: Now I am logged out in both
2014-08-08 03:13:26 renoirb: How is it eliezerb ?
2014-08-08 03:13:38 renoirb: See :)
2014-08-08 03:13:59 eliezerb: Takes more time when I do in the mrof...
2014-08-08 03:14:07 eliezerb: To propagate on the test
2014-08-08 03:15:09 eliezerb: Well not worked to log on mrof
2014-08-08 03:15:18 eliezerb: ops
2014-08-08 03:15:20 eliezerb: Worked
2014-08-08 03:15:21 eliezerb: O.o
2014-08-08 03:15:23 eliezerb: weird
2014-08-08 03:18:11 renoirb: but the VM that hosts mrof is not as strong. Hopefully its only that
2014-08-08 03:23:57 eliezerb: renoirb: When will the SSO system be available on the main wiki?
2014-08-08 03:34:30 renoirb: haha, that’s another concern.
2014-08-08 03:34:31 renoirb: :)
2014-08-08 03:34:38 eliezerb: renoirb: :P
2014-08-08 03:34:56 renoirb: I mean, there’s work to be done to communicate the change to the community.
2014-08-08 03:35:18 eliezerb: renoirb: I'll get some sleep aiming to wake up 1 hour before to finish the Gist of Compatemplates
2014-08-08 03:35:24 renoirb: I see a few problems with IE9 and Safari.   I might need to make sure the site works well under SSL, with an appropriate certificate.
2014-08-08 03:35:39 eliezerb: renoirb: More and more work
2014-08-08 03:35:52 renoirb: Then, maybe I will need to rebase on top of Mozilla’s work since I forked their work... theres a lot of breaking changes to expect.
2014-08-08 03:36:17 renoirb: I read this today and think it fits this situation.
2014-08-08 03:36:20 renoirb: "Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law."
2014-08-08 03:36:39 eliezerb: renoirb: hahahahahaha
2014-08-08 03:36:47 eliezerb: The best law EVER!
2014-08-08 03:36:50 renoirb: not!
2014-08-08 03:40:49 eliezerb: renoirb: Good night! ttyl
2014-08-08 03:41:00 renoirb: Hey, have a good night!
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2014-08-11 20:01:04 julee: shepazu: you around?
2014-08-11 20:01:28 shepazu: hey, julee
2014-08-11 20:01:33 julee: Hiya!
2014-08-11 20:01:34 julee: Just wanted to point out the email thread "Pulling in content from HTML5Rocks and Dev.Opera"
2014-08-11 20:01:49 shepazu: julee, yup?
2014-08-11 20:02:02 shepazu: julee, on phone, but free in 5 minutes
2014-08-11 20:02:16 julee: Take your time. I might be worrying about nothing.
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2014-08-12 17:13:13 AmeliaBR: If eliezerb or anyone else is waiting for the IRC transcript of the Tuesday telcon, it looks like we're not going to have a full meeting; we're just doing quick updates of everyone's ongoing projects.
2014-08-12 17:13:29 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: :(
2014-08-12 17:13:45 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Ok!
2014-08-12 17:13:58 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: Let me know if there's something that I can help :)
2014-08-12 17:15:01 AmeliaBR: Sure.  We're assuming that you're still working on the compatibility tables templates, but Julee mentioned that you were having problems with the same server issues that renoirb was dealing with on the main wiki.
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2014-08-12 17:20:52 eliezerb: AmeliaBR: We have that working, just some other tests, and I think we're done :)
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2014-08-12 17:22:01 AmeliaBR: eliezerb: :-)  Glad to hear it!
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2014-08-12 17:27:47 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: Does this page address any of your needs?  http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Infrastructure/procedures/Creating_local_multiple_virtual_machine_state_development_environment
2014-08-12 17:28:08 jensimmons: maybe. thanks.
2014-08-12 17:28:48 AmeliaBR: or this one: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Infrastructure/procedures/Deploying_code_changes
2014-08-12 17:29:16 AmeliaBR: (I'm just going through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Infrastructure and grabbing likely page names)
2014-08-12 17:29:44 shepazu jensimmons, see PM
2014-08-12 17:30:34 jensimmons: I’m just sensing a theme, and seeing a problem once we start focusing on the tickets that are in BugGenie. With my crystal ball & all. :P
2014-08-12 17:30:56 jensimmons: Just want to see if we can make it easier for more people to help fix code bugs and write new code
2014-08-12 17:31:14 jensimmons: it’s tough when everything in on one person
2014-08-12 17:31:19 jensimmons: *is
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2014-08-12 17:31:38 shepazu: jensimmons, got a couple minutes to chat?
2014-08-12 17:31:43 jensimmons: sure
2014-08-12 17:31:51 shepazu: skype or phone?
2014-08-12 17:32:00 jensimmons: skype if you’ve got it handy
2014-08-12 17:32:32 AmeliaBR: P.S.  to jensimmons, You should put together a proper "Story" (As an developer, I can access the current state of all software running on the site, and create patches that can be deployed easily) summarizing what you think is necessary and what is blocking it, then send a blast to the email list asking people to add comments.
2014-08-12 17:33:12 AmeliaBR: (or whatever shepazu is about to tell you to do!)  Bye until next week...
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2014-08-26 02:41:06 renoirb: Lets see if new push will change something.
2014-08-26 02:43:24 eliezerb: renoirb: Do you need some test?
2014-08-26 02:43:38 renoirb: what do you mean eliezerb ?
2014-08-26 02:43:51 eliezerb: > Lets see if new push will change something.
2014-08-26 02:43:57 eliezerb: ^.^
2014-08-26 02:44:12 eliezerb: Sounds like new stuff to try
2014-08-26 02:44:35 renoirb: Yeah, if you want.  I just applied a few patches that should improve situation
2014-08-26 02:45:06 eliezerb: The readiness markers are not there anymore :(
2014-08-26 02:45:50 renoirb: Oh, let me have a look
2014-08-26 02:46:38 renoirb: I see, let me fix this
2014-08-26 02:47:19 renoirb: And it takes forever to load, again.
2014-08-26 02:47:35 eliezerb: same here
2014-08-26 02:47:54 eliezerb: Not forever, but a lot of time
2014-08-26 02:47:59 renoirb: yeah
2014-08-26 02:48:29 renoirb: yay.
2014-08-26 02:48:58 renoirb: I wanted to pussh an improvement for the "in the meantime" I push the upgrade.
2014-08-26 02:49:11 renoirb: Then, some can of worm woken up.
2014-08-26 02:49:34 eliezerb: =x
2014-08-26 02:49:42 eliezerb: Any idea?
2014-08-26 02:50:45 eliezerb: I think I'll remove the old Compatibility section from the CSS Form
2014-08-26 02:50:49 renoirb: Its the same symtom that I had when I was in vacation.
2014-08-26 02:51:04 renoirb: In the production wiki?
2014-08-26 02:51:05 eliezerb: But not today... this can generate more issues
2014-08-26 02:51:10 eliezerb: Yes
2014-08-26 02:51:17 renoirb: yes, that’s right.
2014-08-26 02:51:20 eliezerb: It's generating that no-sense yellow box
2014-08-26 02:51:46 renoirb: I just rolled out some compatibility table feature that I thought would be the reason of the problem.
2014-08-26 02:51:46 eliezerb: re-build all the CSS pages will bring to the server a heavy charge
2014-08-26 02:52:03 renoirb: e.g. mediawikihttprequest at every moment
2014-08-26 02:52:13 renoirb: and calling to generate compat tables.
2014-08-26 02:52:21 renoirb: anyway, let me see some more.
2014-08-26 02:52:37 renoirb: It was working before, I just got to find what happened.
2014-08-26 02:53:40 eliezerb: I'm seeing some 503 on the requests
2014-08-26 02:54:20 eliezerb: from here /w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=site&only=styles&skin=webplatform&*
2014-08-26 02:54:31 eliezerb: and here /w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=site&only=scripts&skin=webplatform&*
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2014-08-27 12:18:45 eliezerb: s/do/to
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2014-08-28 09:51:01 tripu: hi there
2014-08-28 09:51:02 tripu: I'm trying to create a new page javascript/types to document the main data types in JS and link to the corresponding page for each type
2014-08-28 09:51:17 tripu: I get a "You do not have permission to create new pages"
2014-08-28 09:52:07 tripu: Even if I used a Special:FormEdit page to (try to) create the page
2014-08-28 09:52:12 tripu: ?
2014-08-28 09:52:41 tripu: I guess the site's still in read-only mode?
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2014-08-28 13:08:03 tripu: hi, renoirb
2014-08-28 13:08:18 renoirb: Hi tripu !
2014-08-28 13:08:39 renoirb: That one is esasy tripu, edit at least 10 times :)
2014-08-28 13:08:46 tripu: oh, right
2014-08-28 13:08:57 tripu: I knew there should be some kind of rule
2014-08-28 13:08:59 tripu: thanks :)
2014-08-28 13:10:07 renoirb: I'm about to rebuild one last time the full stack
2014-08-28 13:10:37 renoirb: hopefully my assumption of what is the mistake i’ve been doing yesterday will be true and all will be fixed
2014-08-28 13:11:17 tripu: good luck with that!
2014-08-28 13:12:15 renoirb: SemanticMediaWiki is not working correctly with 1.24wmf
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2014-08-28 13:25:35 renoirb: tripu, look at this
2014-08-28 13:25:35 renoirb: https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
2014-08-28 13:25:46 renoirb: Here are some umlauted vowles
2014-08-28 13:26:02 renoirb: *vowels
2014-08-28 13:26:12 renoirb: a human-friendly way to check whether you forgot something before editing
2014-08-28 13:26:52 tripu: hum
2014-08-28 13:27:05 tripu: it's a way to check that you are editing using the right encoding, right?
2014-08-28 13:27:22 renoirb: yes, just never seen this in config file, an easy check
2014-08-28 13:27:30 tripu: yes, it's a good idea
2014-08-28 13:27:38 renoirb: gosh this file is big
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2014-08-28 13:55:12 renoirb: looks good /o/
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2014-08-28 14:14:58 tripu: yay!
2014-08-28 14:34:44 renoirb: its not deployed yet. Just that the last step to rebuild semantic mediawiki stuff is not complaining
2014-08-28 14:35:05 renoirb: so it looks good, I'm testing connectivity with new database server and it works well
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2014-08-28 23:33:08 renoirb: eliezerb, yt
2014-08-28 23:33:11 renoirb: http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki/css/properties/border-left
2014-08-28 23:33:13 renoirb: at last
2014-08-28 23:34:28 eliezerb: Yes!
2014-08-28 23:34:29 eliezerb: haha
2014-08-28 23:34:30 eliezerb: finally
2014-08-28 23:34:34 renoirb: My GOSH
2014-08-28 23:35:15 renoirb: Its been since 16:40 that i'm on it, always something blocking
2014-08-28 23:35:33 eliezerb: np :P
2014-08-28 23:35:40 eliezerb: Did you try with SMW 2.0?
2014-08-28 23:35:49 eliezerb: Installing the SMO objects extension?
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2014-08-29 22:39:22 renoirb_: I just upgrade to mediawiki wmf/1.24wmf16
2014-08-29 22:39:42 renoirb_: All is done now.
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2014-09-16 17:14:02 Eliot: Sorry, I was late
2014-09-16 17:19:26 AmeliaBR: Starting a telcon, with an almost-quorum of 4
2014-09-16 17:20:44 AmeliaBR: shepazu (chairing): schedule -- will be away later in the month, vacation plus speaking in Sao Paolo; original plan included a DocSprint, but the local organization has changed over and it looks like it will be more informal
2014-09-16 17:21:41 AmeliaBR: ...recap from last week: we discussed options for a "mini DocSprint", getting people introduced to the concept, some editing, encouraging translation into Portuguese
2014-09-16 17:22:34 AmeliaBR: ...we really want translations for languages in areas where English is not a significant second language
2014-09-16 17:22:53 AmeliaBR: eliot: Russian would be another
2014-09-16 17:23:21 AmeliaBR: shepazu: translations are something we should put focus on, have a strategy around it
2014-09-16 17:24:57 AmeliaBR: ... last week we also talked about the HTML5 recommendation status announcement, considered whether we could have comprehensive HTML docs by then, but that doesn't seem likely.  Amelia suggested that we prep things so we are ready for new contributors on HTML, and capitalize on the announcement to encourage people to document the now-defined standard.
2014-09-16 17:25:31 AmeliaBR: eliot: Our goal (as organizers) has not been to do the documentation, but to create the infrastructure for the community to write docs, so that seems like a good strategy
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2014-09-16 17:26:04 AmeliaBR: shepazu: By that time, in less than a few weeks, we should have a functional annotation system.
2014-09-16 17:26:54 AmeliaBR: ... we want people to go through the specs, identify areas that need documentation
2014-09-16 17:27:10 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: Clarify: annotations for the specs or annotations for webplatform docs?
2014-09-16 17:27:24 AmeliaBR: shepazu: they are one and the same,
2014-09-16 17:28:20 AmeliaBR: ...we've been working (with renoirb) and the Hypothesis team on this, and there will be a way for you to search all annotations everywhere; e.g., you could search "SVG" and "needs example"
2014-09-16 17:29:00 AmeliaBR: ... the annotation system will be for our pages, on the wiki, but there will also be a script on certain W3 specifications, that will be connected to our server.
2014-09-16 17:29:44 AmeliaBR: ... Instead of sending an email, they will make an account on our server and create a note there which will tie our docs back into the W3 specs.
2014-09-16 17:30:09 AmeliaBR: ... It also lets people leave comments on specifications, about what should be documented on webplatform docs.
2014-09-16 17:31:48 AmeliaBR: ... e.g., could identify a specific sentence or detail about an element, that comment would show up on the webplatform page about that element as well as on the specs.  Then when the documentation is taken care of, that comment could be closed in both places.
2014-09-16 17:32:43 AmeliaBR: ... and vice versa: if someone leaves a comment on our docs, e.g., that something is really confusing, that something should be changed in the actual specs, that comment can easily be connected back to the actual specs.
2014-09-16 17:33:36 AmeliaBR: ...we're hoping to get that virtuous cycle going.
2014-09-16 17:33:47 AmeliaBR: ... Amelia, what else did we do last week?
2014-09-16 17:34:17 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: renoirb gave us an update on compatibility tables, he also sent some updates to the email list since then
2014-09-16 17:35:19 AmeliaBR: http://test.csswg.org/harness/
2014-09-16 17:35:25 shepazu: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests
2014-09-16 17:36:16 AmeliaBR: shepazu: now we have to decide if we want to work on the caniuse data, or focus on the W3 test data
2014-09-16 17:36:49 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: I'd recommend focusing energy on the test suite, rather than spending a lot of time on caniuse.com
2014-09-16 17:37:44 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: but what is the test data like?  I use caniuse all the time, that's existing, reliability data
2014-09-16 17:38:00 AmeliaBR: ...that link, is that the tests, or is that the data?  it's a terrible user interface
2014-09-16 17:38:25 AmeliaBR: shepazu: it is a terrible user interface, there's lots of data, but it's not easily available
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2014-09-16 17:38:49 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: well that could be the differentiator, where we could make a difference
2014-09-16 17:39:55 AmeliaBR: eliot: the data is there, but it's not available in a universal way.  Also, while it's great to have tests connected to the specs, it's nice to have a more top-level practical synthesis, which is what caniuse does well
2014-09-16 17:42:19 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: In a way, the caniuse data complements the MDN data, because it focuses on the top-level, big concepts, while MDN is more element-by-element, attribute-by-attribute.  So if we can integrate that easily in our structure, that would be beneficial to have compat data on top-level pages
2014-09-16 17:43:39 AmeliaBR: shepazu: I'm kind of on the fence.  We would have to massage the caniuse data a lot; but, when we adapted the MDN data, we did use codes and info similar to what caniuse uses, for e.g. whether polyfill or prefix is required.
2014-09-16 17:44:06 AmeliaBR: ...but we would have to work on the mapping of their data to our categorizations
2014-09-16 17:44:32 AmeliaBR: ...and it's not just the data, it's whether we would add anything as far as making it easier to access
2014-09-16 17:45:16 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: is the plan to merge all the data into one super data set, or are we going to be displaying this side by side?
2014-09-16 17:47:49 AmeliaBR: shepazu: no, I think we'd have to decide, for any given page, which data to use.  Since the caniuse data is based on some testing, it would probably replace the MDN data, if there was a one-to-one match.  Then later, if we have the W3 data, that could replace
2014-09-16 17:48:29 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: But we also have to be careful, e.g. tests might not catch all the little nuances, where caniuse has notes or explanations that someone has gone in and added
2014-09-16 17:49:54 AmeliaBR: AmeliaBR: The difference is that W3 tests try to represent that with multiple tests, each of which catches a different situation or edge case, rather than summing it up with one measurement.  But we'd have to decide how to display that information.
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2014-09-16 17:51:01 AmeliaBR: shepazu: that's what I was saying, it's not just the data, it's how they display it, which caniuse does so well
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2014-09-16 17:52:28 AmeliaBR: ... we really want to get away from the idea of just being another MDN.  We want to look at other added benefits.  E.g., caniuse has better compat data, but we not the other info
2014-09-16 17:53:00 AmeliaBR: ... but I still want to be better than "MDN + caniuse data"; which even that isn't straightforward, because the level of detail doesn't match up
2014-09-16 17:53:58 AmeliaBR: ... jen, maybe if you could think, looking at the caniuse data, how would that be effectively integrated into a larger page, having all that information about current, older and future versions, but display that compactly
2014-09-16 17:55:28 AmeliaBR: ... similarly, another design challenge, is how to integrate the W3 tests; when you have 30 tests on a property, and a browser passes 25 of them, how do you display that information in a summary level, that someone could click on to drill down and discover the specific cases where it is or isn't supported.
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2014-09-16 17:56:18 AmeliaBR: ...or, if you want to see how a feature is used, look at how the actual tests are written to see that.  Do you want to think about that?
2014-09-16 17:57:58 AmeliaBR: jensimmons:  On that issue, we could argue about what percentage of tests is required for support, but some tests are more important than others, and there's no way to program robots to be that smart.  So I think what you're saying is good, don't try to convert to a binary supports/doesn't support, just display the number of tests passed, and click on it for the details, but the trick is to display that extended information i
2014-09-16 17:58:38 AmeliaBR: ...but another thing, is to make sure that there is way for people to come along, if they do understand it, to translate it into a human explanation for others
2014-09-16 17:59:16 AmeliaBR: ...they could write "oh this is a little edge case, it's mostly supported", or "this is a major problem, don't use this feature yet"
2014-09-16 18:00:19 AmeliaBR: shepazu: A third, hybrid option, is to add the data to the page, but also work to categorize the tests as edge cases vs core features, and feed that information back to the test suite.
2014-09-16 18:00:40 AmeliaBR: ... I think that's what you were getting at, but the next step is to leave the data on the tests
2014-09-16 18:01:11 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: I think most people wouldn't really care about that.
2014-09-16 18:01:58 AmeliaBR: shepazu: the difference is, that once we've categorized things, then it can be updated automatically and affect how we display the information; people wouldn't have to read this, but it would affect what they'd see.
2014-09-16 18:02:52 AmeliaBR: ...somebody could take that data, and update it, for example if things that used to be edge cases are now being commonly used
2014-09-16 18:03:13 AmeliaBR: ...that would be a way of giving feedback to implementers, that this specific test is important to us now
2014-09-16 18:04:29 AmeliaBR: jensimmons: there are these sort of bleeding-edge technologies, like viewport units that you can mostly use, but you have to be careful, about where you can or can't use them, some are well supported (vh and vw), others are buggy (vmin, vmax)
2014-09-16 18:05:44 AmeliaBR: ...to have someone say, these things are important, they are supported, other things maybe it's not clear where they would be used, because they don't have the support to actually use them and discover the different ways they could be used
2014-09-16 18:06:05 AmeliaBR: shepazu: we're talking about adding human annotation over the test results
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2014-09-21 08:49:06 Kajika: hi there, I have known webplatform for several months now and I have noticed the amount of work that is still to be done... So I thought i could help as it is a crowdsourced project but I have never get into such a thing and it seems pretty organized. So I subscrited to the mailing list and I really wonder if I really have to introduce myself (saw no trace of such mail in sept's archive) and/or is th
2014-09-21 08:49:06 Kajika: ere any easy task to do (to begin with). I speak fluently english (hoping I do no mistake here as I'm typing) and my mother tongue is French. I know very well HTML and CSS (strong knowledge in php but isn't relevant here) and know just what I need to do my JS stuff. Any advice? (on the site there is no basic task http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#Basic_tasks , I was thinking about
2014-09-21 08:49:07 Kajika: making code example...)
2014-09-21 08:49:20 Kajika: wow my text was a bit long....
2014-09-21 09:14:12 Kajika: well I'll come back and ask latter, might not be the right time now.
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2014-09-23 19:56:13 Garbee: two?
2014-09-23 19:56:23 Garbee: too?
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2014-09-24 11:24:53 AAA_awright: Is it good practice to list major authors, contributing directly to Web Platform Docs, in the article itself? e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/responsive_layouts
2014-09-24 11:25:27 AAA_awright: I'd like to see some good content on responsive design but it seems to be lacking :(
2014-09-24 11:29:35 Kajika: well i'm new here, wasn't able to get anyone to talk to but i don't like the "advetissement" giving by the author link. Not because of the fact itself but because I think it won't help the community spirit of a "wiki-like" space.
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2014-09-24 15:20:58 AAA_awright: I would expect when I type a CSS property in the search, it takes me to that page. Right?
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2014-09-24 15:58:56 Garbee: AAA_awright: We allow people to put their name when they have directly written the bulk of the content. Not sure what the exact guidelines are for removing it since it hasn't come up yet.
2014-09-24 16:00:03 Garbee: Or what the guidelines are for really adding it. Because this content doesn't seem like good enough quality to even keep in the first place.
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2014-09-24 20:10:34 renoirb: Hi Garbee AAA_awright you guys got a change to talk to Kajika?
2014-09-24 20:10:39 renoirb: He always disapears
2014-09-24 20:10:43 renoirb: when i’m there :/
2014-09-24 20:11:09 Garbee: I always show up like 10 or 30 minutes late.
2014-09-24 20:11:18 Garbee: Well, I did today.
2014-09-24 20:11:42 AAA_awright: renoirb: Yeah, did you see our messages from 9 hours ago?
2014-09-24 20:12:50 renoirb: I have a IRC bouncer (i.e. what i’m using to talk here ATM) so i can read logs.  Also, I check from time to time at http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/
2014-09-24 20:12:57 renoirb: AAA_awright ^
2014-09-24 20:13:40 AAA_awright: mhm
2014-09-24 20:13:44 Garbee: oh. Re-reading his message about the link.
2014-09-24 20:13:47 Garbee: I get it now.
2014-09-24 20:13:58 Garbee: Meh, not a big deal. They are rel="nofollowed".
2014-09-24 20:15:18 AAA_awright: Garbee: It's not that it might be spam, but I don't want to edit a page if someone else "owns" it
2014-09-24 20:15:34 Garbee: No one owns anything in the wiki.
2014-09-24 20:15:43 renoirb: you are right Garbee
2014-09-24 20:15:52 renoirb: Anyway, its kinda inuseful to write your name
2014-09-24 20:15:54 Garbee: And you will know what you shouldn't edit, since you won't be able to in the first place.
2014-09-24 20:16:06 AAA_awright: Or rather, it's discouraging
2014-09-24 20:16:14 Garbee: imo, I really think we should do away with that whole author thing.
2014-09-24 20:16:21 Garbee: It is a wiki, authorship is carried in the history.
2014-09-24 20:16:34 renoirb: we might find the right extension to show the contributors and sort them by the "weight" of the contributions
2014-09-24 20:16:45 Garbee: I think that was there primarily from the import of some HTML5 Rocks content or something. Not sure.
2014-09-24 20:16:49 Garbee: ^^ best guess.
2014-09-24 20:17:31 Garbee: That response layouts tutorial though really needs some work. It is very low quality.
2014-09-24 20:17:56 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, yt?
2014-09-24 20:18:08 renoirb: We might bring webplatform specific talk to the channel :)
2014-09-24 20:18:09 Garbee: Not even a tutorial at all. Just a blurb about what they are (kinda, not really) and then some really confusing information about the technologies.
2014-09-24 20:20:39 renoirb: indeed
2014-09-24 20:21:13 Garbee: I'll finish up this page audit for the devtool docs next week then spend a few days working on at least getting this off to a better start.
2014-09-24 20:21:40 Garbee: Someone else can pick up from there (if it isn't redone by the time I get to it) and finish up with more tutorial-like stuff.
2014-09-24 20:35:53 renoirb: what are you talking about Garbee, what are you refering to as devtool docs?
2014-09-24 20:36:13 Garbee: Chrome DevTool Docs ( https://developer.chrome.com/devtools )
2014-09-24 20:36:53 Garbee: I'm helping out with that stuff a bit in my free time. Not much now though since I'm wrapping up the new shop site I've been working on all year.
2014-09-24 20:38:17 renoirb: you are contributing to docs there?
2014-09-24 20:39:30 Garbee: yup.
2014-09-24 20:39:47 renoirb: cool!
2014-09-24 20:39:48 Garbee: Much better for me since it is familiar markup (HTML and some Markdown.)
2014-09-24 20:40:09 Garbee: That has been by big thing working on the WPD pages I have been looking at. Getting things converted into mediawiki markup.
2014-09-24 20:40:42 Garbee: I like to do fancier markup in places (like definition lists) so the markup is meaningful instead of just unordered lists everywhere.
2014-09-24 20:41:44 renoirb: yeah, I understand your pain. I dont like MW markup either.
2014-09-24 20:44:38 AAA_awright: I'd prefer to do everything in, you know, HTML
2014-09-24 20:45:00 AAA_awright: Maybe some custom vocabulary sprinkled about
2014-09-24 20:49:16 Garbee: Yea, we've discussed just doing HTML in the docs. That was the biggest request I heard at the Doc Sprint I was at.
2014-09-24 20:49:25 Garbee: But, we still stick with MW markup for reasons.
2014-09-24 20:49:27 Garbee: :/
2014-09-24 20:55:44 AAA_awright: I like how everyone who tries to design a "Friendly" markup ends up making it worse
2014-09-24 20:56:16 AAA_awright: (Wait, no, no I don't. Just use XML, or some DOM serialization please)
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2014-09-25 16:35:20 eliezerb: renoirb: Looks like that shepazu did the talk at WebBr this morning
2014-09-25 16:35:21 eliezerb: :)
2014-09-25 16:35:33 renoirb: oh, he did?
2014-09-25 16:35:34 eliezerb: s/that/
2014-09-25 16:35:37 eliezerb: yes
2014-09-25 16:35:47 eliezerb: renoirb: https://twitter.com/reinaldoferraz/status/515130334263128064
2014-09-25 16:37:36 eliezerb: renoirb: I promissed to myself not open Twitter today cuz I knew that will born regret in my heart for not being there
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2014-09-25 21:33:35 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: howdy
2014-09-25 21:33:44 renoirb: Hey Ryan_Lane  :)
2014-09-25 21:33:47 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: I couldn't read your email
2014-09-25 21:33:58 renoirb: I just re-sent yesterday´s email.
2014-09-25 21:34:01 Ryan_Lane: but, I'm working on getting trebuchet into a usable state outside of wikimedia
2014-09-25 21:34:17 Ryan_Lane: I'm getting a fully salt orchestrated environment going in AWS
2014-09-25 21:34:30 renoirb: I like to send encrypted emails, sorry for that.
2014-09-25 21:34:32 Ryan_Lane: hopefully I'll have a working dev environment, then I'll be able to write up proper instructions
2014-09-25 21:34:38 renoirb: Ok!
2014-09-25 21:35:33 renoirb: At this time i’m focussing on upgrading Ubuntu to 14.04 everywhere, no hurry.
2014-09-25 21:35:46 renoirb: I might have to re-work the logging management you made though :/
2014-09-25 21:37:12 Ryan_Lane: heh
2014-09-25 21:37:15 Ryan_Lane: yeah, that logging isn
2014-09-25 21:37:17 Ryan_Lane: isn't great
2014-09-25 21:37:23 Ryan_Lane: I think wikimedia uses logstash now
2014-09-25 21:37:30 Ryan_Lane: I think that would be a way better way to handle logs
2014-09-25 21:37:41 Ryan_Lane: salt logs can also go to logstash :)
2014-09-25 21:37:58 renoirb: Yeah. I’ll take a look on how they do it. A few other things changed too.
2014-09-25 21:38:05 renoirb: yay!
2014-09-25 21:38:27 renoirb: I realized that MW EventLogger is not fully configured on our site.
2014-09-25 21:39:10 Ryan_Lane: sounds about right. I did that in a rush
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2014-09-25 21:39:46 renoirb: The hardest part is to search around the docs and get the right, and not outdated, information
2014-09-25 21:42:11 renoirb: I´d like to reproduce something similar to [0] (start at slide 17)  https://speakerdeck.com/bastianhofmann/measuring-and-logging-everything-in-real-time-1
2014-09-25 21:42:18 renoirb: Ryan_Lane ^
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2014-09-25 21:45:04 Ryan_Lane: hm. the slides aren't numbered and the viewer doesn't number them :(
2014-09-25 21:45:58 Ryan_Lane: ah. greylog?
2014-09-25 21:46:13 Ryan_Lane: I'm a fan of logstash+kibana, but I've heard reasonable things about greylog
2014-09-25 21:50:40 renoirb: you have to put your mouse on the slider
2014-09-25 21:50:44 renoirb: that’s the only place you see them
2014-09-25 21:50:47 renoirb: his intro is too long
2014-09-25 21:50:48 Ryan_Lane: ah
2014-09-25 21:50:56 Ryan_Lane: but yeah, you can use greylog or logstash
2014-09-25 21:51:43 renoirb: I wasn’t clear about what I’d like to set in place in the slides, sorry for that, but I also want to measure user page load time and other things that it introduces.
2014-09-25 21:52:35 Ryan_Lane nods
2014-09-25 21:52:57 Ryan_Lane: collectd + statsd + graphite works pretty well for that
2014-09-25 21:53:39 renoirb: What is your feeling about exposing elasticsearch endpoint publicly? I’m reading around and I dont get how they manage to ensure nobody spams the indexes and the docs says its not secured.
2014-09-25 21:53:40 Ryan_Lane: or if kibana+logstash or greylog allow you to run searches with functions, you could have a python script that turns saved searches into graphite metrics
2014-09-25 21:54:11 Ryan_Lane: there's this: https://github.com/strima/grafana-authentication-proxy
2014-09-25 21:54:14 Ryan_Lane: <3 grafana
2014-09-25 21:54:25 Ryan_Lane: and this: https://github.com/fangli/kibana-authentication-proxy
2014-09-25 21:55:11 Ryan_Lane: but yeah, in general you need to either proxy it, or you need to restrict access to its network
2014-09-25 21:55:31 renoirb: ok
2014-09-25 21:56:01 renoirb: that´s what I thought.   There’s not a lot of docs about that though.
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2014-09-25 22:04:00 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, you have an opinion on DNS delegation (recursive) authorities?
2014-09-25 22:04:26 Ryan_Lane: is there much to have an opinion on? :)
2014-09-25 22:04:33 Ryan_Lane: I like not managing my own DNS
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2014-09-25 22:04:43 renoirb: Right
2014-09-25 22:04:56 Ryan_Lane: you're going to point at gdnsd, right?
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2014-09-25 22:05:08 renoirb: So, you prefer to sync an hosts file everywhere then? :)
2014-09-25 22:05:10 Ryan_Lane: are you still managing all the openstack stuff?
2014-09-25 22:05:18 Ryan_Lane: or are you in dreamcompute?
2014-09-25 22:05:24 renoirb: Migrating to DreamCompute
2014-09-25 22:05:25 Ryan_Lane: do they not offer a DNSaaS?
2014-09-25 22:05:57 renoirb: At this time  i’m creating webplatformstaging.org   ... i.e. the full setup in a separate OpenStack project all on DreamCompute.
2014-09-25 22:05:58 Ryan_Lane: I'm currently using route53. It's nice, since you can control it via an API
2014-09-25 22:06:03 Ryan_Lane: cool
2014-09-25 22:06:14 Ryan_Lane: if they support a DNS service, you may want to just point to their DNS servers
2014-09-25 22:06:17 renoirb: I doubt they have a DNSaaS
2014-09-25 22:06:20 Ryan_Lane: :(
2014-09-25 22:06:25 Ryan_Lane: oh well :)
2014-09-25 22:06:33 renoirb: I’ll ask.
2014-09-25 22:06:34 Ryan_Lane: both HP and rackspace have one
2014-09-25 22:06:45 Ryan_Lane: I'd imagine dreamhost has one coming if they don't already have it
2014-09-25 22:08:05 renoirb: I was hoping I could make a simple entry in the root webplatformstaging.org. but I have to ask W3C sys team to allow recursion :/
2014-09-25 22:08:28 renoirb: dig A percona1.local.webplatformstaging.org @ns1.w3.org
2014-09-25 22:09:18 renoirb: Anyway, i’ll take a look for that.
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2014-09-26 00:02:57 AAA_awright: I'd like somewhere to document Semantic Web technologies, would Web Platform Docs be appropriate?
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2014-09-26 00:41:40 Garbee: AAA_awright: do you mind emailing the mail list about that? Along with a little more info like what kind of technologies you are thinking about?
2014-09-26 00:42:36 AAA_awright: I figured the mailing list might be more appropriate...
2014-09-26 00:42:48 Garbee: Sounds like a good discussion to have. I'm just going to bed though so won't be able to really discuss it until tomorrow. Plus others who aren't cool enough for irc can't respond here.
2014-09-26 00:43:59 AAA_awright: A similar treatment to how other file formats are described, and current best practices and extended examples, where the current standards tend to lack
2014-09-26 00:44:31 AAA_awright: The hyperlink in general, Turtle, JSON-LD, SPARQL, handling of bnodes, ...
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2014-09-26 19:17:45 AAA_awright: Seems better now?
2014-09-26 19:17:59 AAA_awright: Imported all the HTTP headers to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/http/headers
2014-09-26 19:18:30 AAA_awright: Needs some sorting through still, and possibly remove the entirely obsolete ones (that have no modern implementations or use)
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2014-09-28 21:02:23 AAA_awright: The last 100 events have all been user created events... is that normal?
2014-09-28 21:04:28 AAA_awright: Last 500 events, even
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2014-09-29 15:07:12 Guest71198: hello
2014-09-29 15:12:02 renoirb: Hi Guest71198
2014-09-29 15:14:46 Kajika: hi renoirb
2014-09-29 15:25:00 renoirb: Hi Kajika
2014-09-29 15:25:17 renoirb: you decided to stick to the channel today :)
2014-09-29 15:25:36 renoirb: shepazu and I are on EST TimeZone
2014-09-29 15:28:49 Kajika: i always stick to the channel ^^
2014-09-29 15:29:27 Kajika: would love to participate to webplatform in some way but from an external point of view it's kinda intimidating
2014-09-29 15:32:07 renoirb: Hey, Kajika, tell me what can we do to make it less intimidating?
2014-09-29 15:32:42 Kajika: I don't even know where to start participating ^^ i guess i could code some examples for the css section
2014-09-29 15:32:50 Kajika: could translate
2014-09-29 15:33:09 Kajika: but I don't get yet how thing get implemented here
2014-09-29 15:33:27 Kajika: my experience so far with wiki is correction a typo on wikipedia :)
2014-09-29 15:33:39 Kajika: correcting*
2014-09-29 15:36:48 renoirb: Have you heard of the QA Sprint we’ve been working on during the summer?
2014-09-29 15:37:10 renoirb: We aren’t done on that and we still need to continue
2014-09-29 15:37:54 Kajika: I'm not sure, i sub to the mail, saw a lot about a doc sprint
2014-09-29 15:45:28 renoirb: We have a DocSprint coming up before Fronteers, you are right
2014-09-29 15:46:34 renoirb: Take a look at the following messages Kajika, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0047.html
2014-09-29 15:47:41 renoirb: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jul/0002.html
2014-09-29 15:48:56 renoirb: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jul/0025.html
2014-09-29 15:55:35 Kajika: mmm lots of reading done....
2014-09-29 15:55:41 Kajika: still not sur about what to do
2014-09-29 15:55:52 Kajika: i might just be a fool
2014-09-29 15:56:03 Kajika: but i don't see any clear "to do" task
2014-09-29 15:56:18 Kajika: seems that articles needs to be manually reviewed
2014-09-29 15:58:31 renoirb: Kajika, i´m sorry, I thought it was clear before I sent you the links.
2014-09-29 15:58:57 renoirb: So, Kajika, the QA Sprint is to do manual revision of pages so we can get to know which sections are more ready than others
2014-09-29 15:59:01 Kajika: sometimes i really wonder if that's me being silly or webplatform being a mess ^^
2014-09-29 15:59:19 Kajika: seems that almost everything already done
2014-09-29 15:59:36 Kajika: isn't it just hiroki's section still not done?
2014-09-29 16:00:04 renoirb: Kajika, we are a young community and lots of our content is imported from donated from sites such as MSDN. It gave us a a structure and something to start from
2014-09-29 16:00:16 renoirb: Can you send a link please
2014-09-29 16:00:17 Kajika: yeah i saw that ^^
2014-09-29 16:00:35 renoirb: So, If you want to work on pages that are almost ready, you could turn them to ready :)
2014-09-29 16:01:44 Kajika: i ws just checking i don't even know how to change a state of a page ^^
2014-09-29 16:03:26 Kajika: oh i saw now
2014-09-29 16:03:46 Kajika: some article when edited have a different form
2014-09-29 16:04:39 Kajika: no that was just me being silly once again...
2014-09-29 16:05:27 Kajika: "edit" and "edit source" are 2 different things and i have this bad habit of not testing to clock what I think is the menu title (here "edit")
2014-09-29 16:06:44 renoirb: No worries, it is messy. We are working to make it less messy and it takes time to improve things
2014-09-29 16:06:50 Kajika: funny enough in this page for instance http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:State , there are 2 "edit" (the second should be "edit source")
2014-09-29 16:07:06 renoirb: Yes, never use Edit Source :)
2014-09-29 16:07:14 renoirb: I’ll eventually change this capability.
2014-09-29 16:07:34 renoirb: its not documented, do not worry about that.
2014-09-29 16:08:02 renoirb: In MediaWiki land, when you see wiki/Property:Foo ... this is for Semantic MediaWiki internals and its not documentation pages.
2014-09-29 16:08:30 renoirb: When you see WPD:Foo its internal for our project
2014-09-29 16:08:50 renoirb: Property:Foo is for SMW, so is also Form:Foo
2014-09-29 16:13:04 Kajika: I'm on the http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Beginners/html&action=formedit state is "Not Ready" so i may warm up on it, i'm wondering if the edit form keep track of who made the change (guess it should)
2014-09-29 16:13:22 Kajika: sry wrong link -> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Beginners/html
2014-09-29 16:16:51 Kajika: mmm does the state "not ready" imply it has been reviewed already? (I haven't seen such a hierarchy but i guees it is "not reviewed"->"not ready"->"almost ready"->"ready to use")
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2014-09-29 17:25:07 renoirb: Back Kajika
2014-09-29 17:25:15 Kajika: re
2014-09-29 17:25:48 renoirb: the not ready are the less ready there are, you might want to warm up with the low hanging fruits such as the "almost ready" ones that doenst talk about compatibility data
2014-09-29 17:26:09 renoirb: yes Kajika
2014-09-29 17:27:27 Kajika: mmm, i feel i don't have a lot to had in the section i can work in (html/css could do php)
2014-09-29 17:27:40 Kajika: translating feels boring to be honest ^^
2014-09-29 17:28:20 Kajika: anyway i really think the tutos are way to "texty"
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2014-09-29 17:58:40 renoirb: At this time, translating is not really recommended anyway Kajika, unless its "Ready to use" pages.
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2014-09-29 18:10:37 renoirb: wb Kajika_
2014-09-29 18:10:57 Kajika_: damned my name got change
2014-09-29 18:11:02 Kajika_: should relog
2014-09-29 18:13:20 renoirb: no, just do /nick Kajika
2014-09-29 18:13:25 renoirb: Kajika_ ^
2014-09-29 18:14:09 Kajika_: mmmh... kajika #html :Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
2014-09-29 18:14:17 Kajika_: IRC always is a pain
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2014-09-30 17:22:35 AmeliaBR: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Special:Ask
2014-09-30 17:23:36 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty
2014-09-30 17:23:53 renoirb: https://source.webplatform.org/r/#/c/10/1/skin/SkinWebPlatform.php
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2014-09-30 17:28:43 eliot: http://blog.webplatform.org/2014/09/2nd-doc-sprint-in-amsterdam/
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2014-09-30 17:34:02 AmeliaBR: renoirb:  I was trying to pull up a sample Ask query for Paul, but I'm having a problem in Chrome, with it not displaying text -- it must be hanging trying to download/access the webfonts, and never reverts to showing the default font.  I had some problems like this back when you were having problems with everything last month, but assumed it would have been fixed.
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2014-09-30 17:37:08 AmeliaBR: The funny thing is, all I have to do is force it to do a major repaint (e.g. by zooming the page), and then it renders in the fallback font no problem.
2014-09-30 17:41:42 AmeliaBR: Correction, once it repaints it does use the webfont.  But still not sure why it doesn't click in originally.  If I do a new search (and therefore I *know* I have the webfont in my cache), it goes back to invisible font, waiting for the webfont.  P.S.  Chrome 36.  I'll update in a moment and try again.
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2014-09-30 17:52:41 AmeliaBR: renoirb: Fonts *seem* to be working okay in Chrome 37, even with "disable cache", but I don't know -- I hadn't figured out a consistent way to trigger the problem, so I can't be sure that I've fixed it!
2014-09-30 17:52:46 renoirb: Hey!
2014-09-30 17:52:55 renoirb: Yes, AmeliaBR, can you explain to me a bit more your problem please
2014-09-30 17:53:08 renoirb: ok, gosh.
2014-09-30 17:53:23 AmeliaBR: It was quite simply that text wasn't being rendered at all!
2014-09-30 17:53:58 renoirb: That is my step, after the webplatformstaging.org full deployment;   to review ALL css and make sure nothing is broken, and make them available in one place as static files.
2014-09-30 17:54:14 AmeliaBR: Everything else laid out, but transparent text.  Which is Chrome's normal behaviour when it is downloading a webfont, but then it was getting stuck in that mode and not refreshing.
2014-09-30 17:54:43 AmeliaBR: I was working on the Special:Ask page, but I previously had problems on other pages.
2014-09-30 17:54:51 renoirb: Yeah, that is caused to server not closing the connection on assets in the <head />   but the server status doesnt tell me we are having problems and i’m also using the site and do not see what you are seeing.
2014-09-30 17:55:00 renoirb: :/
2014-09-30 17:55:19 AmeliaBR: Does WPD use google's WebFont Loader script?  Or just default browser behaviour?
2014-09-30 17:55:21 renoirb: Having all those CSS/JS as static files will most certainly solve that problem.
2014-09-30 17:55:45 renoirb: We have duplicate font loading calls, its confusing which is called when.
2014-09-30 17:55:58 renoirb: that’s what I have to take a look into anyway
2014-09-30 17:58:29 AmeliaBR: Anyways, I can't get it to happen now.  Not sure if Chrome update fixed it, browser cache fixed it, or not having VoIP active and therefore having a faster internet connection fixed it.  As you say, one more reason to rationalize and simplify all the CSS/JS files.
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2014-09-30 18:16:01 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty?title=Special%3ASearchByProperty&property=State&value=Ready+to+Use
2014-09-30 18:17:49 AmeliaBR: Just sent out notes on the telcon, and then discovered you'd already done so renoirb.  Oh well.  I don't think they contradicted each other!
2014-09-30 18:18:45 AmeliaBR: Although we all repeated my original typo.  Today is sept 30, not 20!
2014-09-30 18:35:22 renoirb: On the queries, i found http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty?title=Special%3ASearchByProperty&property=State&value=Almost+Ready
2014-09-30 18:36:14 renoirb: And http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?format=jsonfm&action=ask&query=%5B%5BCategory%3AHTML%5D%5D
2014-09-30 18:40:14 renoirb: AmeliaBR, I got better results
2014-09-30 18:40:14 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?format=jsonfm&action=ask&query=[[Category:HTML]]+[[State::+]]|State=In+Progress
2014-09-30 18:40:18 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?format=jsonfm&action=ask&query=[[Category:HTML]]+[[State::+]]|State=Almost+Ready
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2014-09-30 18:49:54 AmeliaBR: renoirb: Yes, although I realized that the HTML category is fairly narrow, there are lots of HTML5 related pages under DOM
2014-09-30 18:50:57 renoirb: right, but at least we have something there.
2014-09-30 18:51:04 renoirb: I have to get back to my infra work.
2014-09-30 18:52:00 renoirb: AmeliaBR, you can take a look at the newly activated API Sandbox here
2014-09-30 18:52:01 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=ask&format=json&query=%5B%5BCategory%3AHTML%5D%5D%2B%5B%5BState%3A%3AAlmost%20Ready%5D%5D%7C%3FState
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2014-09-30 18:53:59 AmeliaBR: 387 pages with "Almost Ready" and Category either HTML or DOM:
2014-09-30 18:54:02 AmeliaBR: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&q=%28%5B%5BCategory%3AHTML%5D%5D+OR+%5B%5BCategory%3ADOM%5D%5D%29+%5B%5BState%3AAlmost+Ready%5D%5D&p=format%3Dbroadtable%2Flink%3Dall%2Fheaders%3Dshow%2Fsearchlabel%3D%E2%80%A6-20further-20results%2Fclass%3Dsortable-20wikitable-20smwtable&po=%3FState+Details%0A&limit=500&eq=no
2014-09-30 18:56:41 AmeliaBR: Anyway, have to get back to work myself.  Really, we can let Paul take the lead and decide if he needs more support
2014-09-30 18:57:07 renoirb: yup, thanks for your time AmeliaBR :)
2014-09-30 18:58:24 renoirb: Can you send me an email directly to me, AmeliaBR, describing what you are experiencing please.
2014-09-30 18:58:41 renoirb: ref: the issue you described. i’ll take care of it asap
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2014-10-01 01:52:17 tripu is finding a bit too restrictive that requirement to do a number of editions to existing articles in order to be able to create new ones
2014-10-01 02:30:14 renoirb: Hi tripu :)
2014-10-01 02:30:54 renoirb: Long time no see :)
2014-10-01 02:35:56 tripu: Hi renoirb :)
2014-10-01 02:36:07 tripu: Yeah, I don't find time to hang out here as much as I'd like...
2014-10-01 02:37:18 renoirb: No worries, this is life :
2014-10-01 02:37:32 renoirb: I just realized its 10:00, so its early morning for you, isn’t it?
2014-10-01 02:37:42 renoirb: so it is to ptressel
2014-10-01 02:38:35 tripu: no, it's already 11:38 in Japan, renoirb.
2014-10-01 02:39:13 renoirb: its 22:39 here
2014-10-01 02:39:23 renoirb: 12h difference more or less
2014-10-01 02:39:34 ptressel: 7:38pm here in Seattle. ;-)
2014-10-01 02:41:09 tripu: 13h between the North America's East Coast and Japan
2014-10-01 02:41:17 tripu: (or 11h, if you look the other way!)
2014-10-01 02:42:28 tripu: so renoirb, I guess you guys have good reasons to impose that restriction I was mentioning above?
2014-10-01 02:43:02 tripu: ie, instead of allowing free editions, à　la Wikipedia?
2014-10-01 02:43:46 tripu not sure now, but last time he checked, anonymous users could create new pages on WP...
2014-10-01 02:56:26 renoirb: so, we are forcing 10 edits to anybody prior to allowing to create a page/file upload
2014-10-01 02:56:34 renoirb: ptressel, I knew you were on the other side.
2014-10-01 02:56:50 renoirb: tripu, WP is somethign completely separate
2014-10-01 02:57:11 renoirb: But i’m soon about to make a WordPress extension to use our new SSO system
2014-10-01 03:01:24 tripu: but why that limitation, renoirb?
2014-10-01 03:01:39 renoirb: because spammers
2014-10-01 03:01:55 tripu: captchas can't solve that?
2014-10-01 03:02:10 renoirb: Tak a look at the following link a few times a day, you’ll see  http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=newusers&leprop=timestamp|title|user|userid&lelimit=40
2014-10-01 03:03:24 renoirb: what we have ATM is not sufficient
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2014-10-01 03:10:09 tripu: are these bogus users created automatically?
2014-10-01 03:14:38 renoirb: tripu, i think they are spammers :/
2014-10-01 03:14:44 renoirb: that’s what we think.
2014-10-01 03:15:12 renoirb: So the new accounts system, we hope, would help us toward getting that much spambots
2014-10-01 03:22:08 tripu: ok
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2014-10-01 03:41:57 AAA_awright: tripu: So that's why I couldn't create new pages
2014-10-01 03:42:02 AAA_awright: tripu: What do you need created?
2014-10-01 03:45:33 renoirb: AAA_awright, you got to edit 10 times
2014-10-01 03:54:38 tripu: well, I just wanted to start contributing writing maybe a few basic articles about JS
2014-10-01 03:54:46 tripu: there's isn't one about JS data types, for example
2014-10-01 03:54:57 tripu: so I was going to start writing that a few weeks ago
2014-10-01 03:55:26 tripu: and then I found myself in the weird situation of searching desperately for errors in existing articles, so that I could fix them...
2014-10-01 03:55:29 renoirb: and what prevented you to improve what’s existing tripu ?
2014-10-01 03:55:40 tripu: ...until I reached 10 edits, to then be able to add a new article
2014-10-01 03:55:55 renoirb: look at the queries here
2014-10-01 03:56:20 renoirb: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Sep/0082.html  and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Sep/0080.html
2014-10-01 03:58:14 renoirb: tripu take a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAsk&q=%5B%5BState%3A%3A%2B%5D%5D%0D%0A%5B%5BCategory%3A%3AJS+Basic%5D%5D&po=%3FState%0D%0A%3FPage+Title%0D%0A%3FPath%0D%0A%3FCategory%0D%0A&eq=yes&p%5Bformat%5D=table&sort_num=&order_num=ASC&p%5Blimit%5D=&p%5Boffset%5D=&p%5Blink%5D=all&p%5Bsort%5D=&p%5Bheaders%5D=show&p%5Bmainlabel%5D=&p%5Bintro%5D=&p%5Boutro%5D=&p%5Bsearchlabel%5D=%E2%80%A6+further+results&p%5Bdefault%5D=&p%
2014-10-01 03:58:14 renoirb: 5Bclass%5D=sortable+wikitable+smwtable&eq=yes
2014-10-01 03:58:23 renoirb: sorry, its a long one, let me minify it
2014-10-01 03:58:58 renoirb: http://bit.ly/1oxr97y
2014-10-01 04:02:28 tripu: Thanks, renoirb -- I'll take a look later
2014-10-01 04:03:32 tripu: I just think it's a pity we might be losing contributions from people who know a lot about some particular aspect, because they'll be put off by that restriction (10 edits before).
2014-10-01 04:03:43 tripu: but will review that -- cheers!
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2014-10-02 11:50:17 mathiasbynens: renoirb: any plans to properly support HTTPS? there’s a certificate for some subdomains, but `webplatform.org`, `talk.webplatform.org`, and `www1.webplatform.org` are not configured to use it correctly
2014-10-02 11:50:31 mathiasbynens: see https://github.com/EFForg/https-everywhere/pull/621
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2014-10-02 12:41:06 renoirb: mathiasbynens, i am working on it, its a slow process because of the numerous moving parts. But it is coming soon actually.
2014-10-02 12:42:10 renoirb: mathiasbynens, its been a year that I move things into place to improve the infrastructure and SSL always been in the plans. Just that its one feature that requires a set of other issues to be solved first.
2014-10-02 13:01:19 mathiasbynens: renoirb: well, keep up the good work then :)
2014-10-02 13:01:35 renoirb: Thanks for caring :)
2014-10-02 13:02:18 renoirb: We are also rolling out a new accounts system mathiasbynens , take a look at accounts.webplatform.org and how it works with docs.webplatform.org/test/  (a separate wiki from the live docs page)  mathiasbynens
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2014-10-02 22:27:32 rk: Hi all! I'm trying to get a hold of someone to find out about adding pages to webplatform.org. Anyone?
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2014-10-03 19:28:14 AndreiCurelaru: be right back after dinner ;)
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2014-10-03 20:54:02 Ralt: or, eh, you got a mail from a friend a couple days ago w.r.t. some js console online, care to take a look at it?
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2014-10-06 18:23:00 paul_irish: what js console online?'
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2014-10-07 17:41:26 zirak: paul_irish: Hey, I'm the one Ralt mentioned earlier, the guy who's bugging you on email
2014-10-07 17:44:03 renoirb: hi zirak, need help with the wiki?
2014-10-07 17:44:46 zirak: renoirb: No thank you, in retrospect that should have been a private message
2014-10-07 17:44:56 renoirb: np :)
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2014-10-08 07:35:17 Ralt: renoirb? I think you're confusing me with someone else
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2014-10-08 09:18:28 PaulVerbeek: @renoirb you there?
2014-10-08 09:32:12 PaulVerbeek: anyone here who can help me with setting up the doc sprint dashboard?
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2014-10-08 09:58:37 rodneyrehm: Christian: please run `(new Date()).toDateString()` and post result
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2014-10-08 09:59:41 Guest22731: rodneyrehm: "Wed Oct 08 2014"
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2014-10-08 10:26:31 rodneyrehm: Schepp: (new Date()).toGMTString() in IE, please
2014-10-08 10:27:09 Schepp: rodneyrehm: "Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:26:52 UTC"
2014-10-08 10:40:08 PaulVerbeek: @renoirb: Are you here?
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2014-10-08 13:06:54 renoirb_test: PaulVerbeek, i’m here
2014-10-08 13:07:05 renoirb_test: sorry for that. Forgotten it was now! :(
2014-10-08 13:10:58 renoirb_test: PaulVerbeek, its there http://www.webplatform.org/docsprint-dashboard/
2014-10-08 13:11:08 renoirb_test: so. late.
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2014-10-08 13:12:45 PaulVerbeek: no problem renoirb_test
2014-10-08 13:14:16 PaulVerbeek: It doesn't seem to work for some reason
2014-10-08 13:15:47 renoirb: PaulVerbeek, where is the spreadsheet?
2014-10-08 13:16:04 PaulVerbeek: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eZrsg3_v1MfbQOk4ou6HIE-8mYwWlOnacInOVZSy02Y
2014-10-08 13:16:39 renoirb: thanks
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2014-10-08 13:19:04 renoirb: PaulVerbeek, its updated but you are right something doesnt work.
2014-10-08 13:20:14 PaulVerbeek: @renoirb, One thing I noticed was that the regex is wrong for getting the key from the url, but fixing that didn't fix the problem
2014-10-08 13:25:17 renoirb: cannot make it work either.
2014-10-08 13:25:52 renoirb: PaulVerbeek, how things are going?
2014-10-08 13:26:31 PaulVerbeek: great, so far no big problems
2014-10-08 13:28:16 PaulVerbeek: @renoirb do you know of a way to get the same data, like the number of edits made today?
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2014-10-08 14:09:52 rodneyrehm: Schepp: shoot!
2014-10-08 14:11:04 Schepp: rodneyrehm: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/async
2014-10-08 14:18:10 rodneyrehm: "dependancies "
2014-10-08 14:18:35 rodneyrehm: (-> dependencies)
2014-10-08 14:18:45 rodneyrehm: "shouldn't be other script that" -> plural scripts
2014-10-08 14:21:18 rodneyrehm: "The browser then does not wait on it to be finished any more before proceeding." -> "The browser no longer waits on these resources before proceeding with rendering the document."
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2014-10-08 15:01:39 renoirb: Schepp, i’m here.
2014-10-08 15:01:46 renoirb: are you @derSchepp on Twitter?
2014-10-08 15:02:10 renoirb: Most properties are handled automatically through Semantic MediaWiki
2014-10-08 15:14:26 renoirb: Schepp, PaulVerbeek, regarding the question i’ve been asked on twitter
2014-10-08 15:15:25 renoirb: Take a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/cssom/style  at the field "Basic API Object Configuration"  at "Subclass of".  I figured out that css/cssom/style should inherit from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/cssom/CSSStyleDeclaration/CSSStyleDeclaration
2014-10-08 15:15:43 renoirb: so I set the field "Subclass" as css/cssom/CSSStyleDeclaration/CSSStyleDeclaration
2014-10-08 15:15:58 renoirb: And the page got generated with a few properties now!
2014-10-08 15:16:16 renoirb: I looked at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/#cssstyledeclaration
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2014-10-08 15:56:22 jswisher: Good morning!
2014-10-08 16:16:32 eliezerb: \o/
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2014-10-08 16:31:41 jswisher: hi eliezerb !
2014-10-08 16:40:13 eliezerb: jswisher, It's been a long time :)
2014-10-08 16:40:27 jswisher: eliezerb: :-)
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2014-10-09 18:21:08 eliezerb: O.o
2014-10-09 18:21:39 renoirb: do a whois on it eliezerb
2014-10-09 18:21:46 renoirb: there’s two wp-logger s
2014-10-09 18:21:59 renoirb: his hostname bots.webplatformstaging.org :)
2014-10-09 18:22:08 eliezerb: hahaha
2014-10-09 18:22:17 eliezerb: Very confident this bot
2014-10-09 18:22:54 renoirb: I’m removing hardcoded and moving things that were defaults in ubuntu 10.04
2014-10-09 18:23:19 renoirb: hundreds of small details such as where the mount point for logs is, hardcoded names, etc.
2014-10-09 18:24:21 eliezerb: renoirb: How was the DocSprint?
2014-10-09 18:24:46 renoirb: It had good set of contributions
2014-10-09 18:24:57 renoirb: But i wasn´t there.
2014-10-09 18:25:27 eliezerb: Oh :/
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2014-10-09 19:00:26 paul_irish: thus the email you just got
2014-10-09 19:01:40 renoirb: paul_irish, i was wired in.
2014-10-09 19:01:44 renoirb opening my mails
2014-10-09 19:04:52 renoirb: oh, paul_irish, make them do edits on the practice page and there will be no problems
2014-10-09 19:05:24 paul_irish: can you email back with that? i didnt know a  practice page exists
2014-10-09 19:05:37 renoirb: paul_irish, let me see if I can use the command line. give me a minute
2014-10-09 19:05:42 renoirb: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Practice_Page
2014-10-09 19:05:46 renoirb: yes, will do!
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2014-10-10 22:11:09 renoirb: that’s caused by the DNS server on the salt master :/ I should change that in the staging environment.
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2014-10-14 20:05:44 AAA_awright: shepazu: I don't see anything, what was that?
2014-10-14 20:06:50 shepazu: AAA_awright, it was on the telcon, which accidentally went unscribed :(
2014-10-14 20:07:28 shepazu: AAA_awright, we now have the webplatform.COM domain, and it was donated to have a more commercial purpose...
2014-10-14 20:07:40 AAA_awright: I was half expecting to see something about the meeting on this channel
2014-10-14 20:07:43 shepazu: … but we didn't have an idea of what that should be ...
2014-10-14 20:08:17 shepazu: … and AmeliaBR suggested that we could put a swag store (tshirts, stickers, etc.) there
2014-10-14 20:08:41 AAA_awright: Ah yes
2014-10-14 20:08:46 AAA_awright: I mean, nice
2014-10-14 20:09:07 shepazu: might raise a bit of money for the project
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2014-10-15 16:01:28 AAA_awright: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLAudioElement Shouldn't there be an "timeupdate" event here, or is that nonstandard?
2014-10-15 16:20:06 renoirb: you should ask on the mailing list AAA_awright  :/
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2014-10-15 17:11:41 renoirb: Hi Ryan_Lane
2014-10-15 17:11:48 Ryan_Lane: howdy
2014-10-15 17:11:53 renoirb: Good! And you?
2014-10-15 17:11:56 Ryan_Lane: good
2014-10-15 17:12:06 Ryan_Lane: with your salt-cloud issue, have you talked with manfred on #salt?
2014-10-15 17:12:08 renoirb: I succeeded yesterday to use my first gitfs formulas :)
2014-10-15 17:12:14 Ryan_Lane: ah. nice
2014-10-15 17:12:20 renoirb: no
2014-10-15 17:12:25 renoirb: Still cannot make it work :/
2014-10-15 17:12:36 Ryan_Lane: manfred is the maintainer of that I think
2014-10-15 17:12:40 renoirb: I have a few gists showing config configuration permutations, all not working.
2014-10-15 17:12:50 renoirb: I asked people at DreamHost to help me.
2014-10-15 17:12:53 Ryan_Lane: he's pretty responsive on ir
2014-10-15 17:12:56 Ryan_Lane: irc
2014-10-15 17:13:19 renoirb: Interesting thing is that on our own OpenStack cluster, it has same error. Maybe I’m still getting it wrong. (I can share with you a few gists with my config attempts)
2014-10-15 17:13:30 renoirb: let’s see right now :)
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2014-10-15 18:19:29 Ryan_Lane: yep
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2014-10-16 23:10:44 eliezerb: renoirb: heya!
2014-10-16 23:11:58 renoirb: Hi eliezerb
2014-10-16 23:12:10 eliezerb: renoirb: busy?
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2014-10-16 23:30:09 renoirb: hey eliezerb, somehow, but I can talk a bit
2014-10-16 23:30:31 eliezerb: renoirb: Let it go :) I'll drop a link on pvt see when you have time
2014-10-16 23:31:37 renoirb: ok
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2014-10-17 19:42:13 oskarrough: Hi, can anyone recommend a good imap provider? Want to move away from google apps.
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2014-10-17 19:44:49 renoirb: Hi oskarrough !
2014-10-17 19:45:01 oskarrough: hi!
2014-10-17 19:45:01 renoirb: That’s the most random question I ever read here :)
2014-10-17 19:45:17 oskarrough: great, haha. Needed to find a channel where I can trust people
2014-10-17 19:45:21 renoirb: hahaha
2014-10-17 19:45:30 renoirb: so you want to get a new imap provider?
2014-10-17 19:45:34 oskarrough: this place must be filled with good hearts, no?
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2014-10-17 19:45:53 renoirb: I’m both web dev and dev ops, so I spent time thiking about IMAP stuff too :)
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2014-10-17 19:46:20 oskarrough: Well, I've always used google apps for all my projects but since it's not free anymore and all-evil-google etc., I'm curious for alternatives.
2014-10-17 19:46:58 renoirb: Did you hear of protonmail.ch ? They provide zero-knowledge email service. I´m using them as my alternate email.
2014-10-17 19:47:22 renoirb: But they don’t do hosting though.
2014-10-17 19:48:25 oskarrough: Looks great but for this project I need to use a custom domain.
2014-10-17 19:49:54 oskarrough: There's http://www.rackspace.com/email-hosting/webmail/
2014-10-17 19:54:22 eliezerb: <renoirb> That’s the most random question I ever read here :)
2014-10-17 19:54:29 eliezerb: rofl
2014-10-17 19:55:04 renoirb: i couldn’t tell. If I was to host web sites, I would manage my own IMAP servers.  Even though I do use google apps for my personal
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2014-10-17 20:31:50 oskarrough: Yes
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2014-10-17 20:40:11 renoirb: did you ever managed your own mail servers oskarrough ?
2014-10-17 20:40:38 oskarrough: you mean running the software and everything?
2014-10-17 20:40:51 renoirb: everything related to mail servers :)
2014-10-17 20:41:06 oskarrough: no :) Only ever sat up Google Apps.
2014-10-17 20:42:34 oskarrough: https://www.fastmail.fm/ also looks interesting.
2014-10-17 20:44:29 renoirb: Its complex but not impossible to do
2014-10-17 20:47:38 renoirb: I always used easydns
2014-10-17 20:48:02 renoirb: oskarrough for secondary DNS servers and sometimes used them as secondary MX servers
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2014-10-21 09:10:58 miller_: Hi!  I just found the webplatform.org docs and thik they're great.
2014-10-21 09:11:19 miller_: Howerver, when I try to read them on a narrow-screen device,
2014-10-21 09:11:50 miller_: the left-hand side banner covers the text.
2014-10-21 09:12:20 miller_: It happens on my android (Kitkat) when I use both Chrome and Firefox,
2014-10-21 09:12:25 miller_: see for yourself:
2014-10-21 09:12:27 miller_: http://goo.gl/wbjL1S
2014-10-21 09:12:35 miller_: http://goo.gl/A8VPFG
2014-10-21 09:13:08 miller_: How could I get rid of that banner?
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2014-10-21 10:56:29 ravenzz: miller_: ++
2014-10-21 10:56:46 ravenzz: miller_: you should be able to create an issue on http://project.webplatform.org/content
2014-10-21 10:57:53 ravenzz: miller_: make sure that it's not been reported already
2014-10-21 11:02:27 ravenzz: miller_: meanwhile you can bookmark this http://jsfiddle.net/5xftcqu4/
2014-10-21 11:02:35 ravenzz: i mean the link
2014-10-21 11:03:02 ravenzz: there and open it when you are on the docs page
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2014-10-21 12:10:12 miller_: ravenzz: It works! Thanks.
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2014-10-21 15:21:16 miller_: ravenzz:  I did: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/118
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2014-10-21 15:31:56 renoirb_test: ravenzz that’s a clever solution
2014-10-21 15:32:08 renoirb_test: I do, actually, have some work in progress on the matter
2014-10-21 15:32:55 renoirb_test: https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/issues/18
2014-10-21 15:32:57 renoirb_test: https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/issues/15
2014-10-21 15:33:25 renoirb_test: miller_ take a look at https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/issues/18 https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/issues/15
2014-10-21 15:33:30 renoirb_test: Its there.
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2014-10-21 16:03:54 ravenzz: but I thought that mediawiki was a fork of mediawiki not the theme
2014-10-21 16:04:15 renoirb: i know, the names should be changed soon
2014-10-21 16:04:45 renoirb: webplatform/mediawiki is now the skin with our own micro extensions (e.g. what isn’t in a Git Repo)
2014-10-21 16:04:54 renoirb: whereas webplatform/mediawiki-core
2014-10-21 16:05:07 ravenzz: cool
2014-10-21 16:05:26 renoirb: is the main mediawiki version. Actually its the same as Wikimedia Foundation releases, using .gitmodules (until we get to use a version that supports composer of course)
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2014-10-21 18:36:03 MarcelGerber: ?
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2014-10-23 17:44:05 hs0ucy: Hi, how can i translate a page. I have an account.
2014-10-23 17:51:04 hs0ucy: My Webplatform user is hs0ucy.
2014-10-23 17:59:01 hs0ucy: I Would like to create the french version of some pages like https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
2014-10-23 17:59:20 hs0ucy: I have tried https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners/fr
2014-10-23 17:59:46 hs0ucy: But it seems i don't have the right to create pages.
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2014-10-24 14:29:13 MarcelGerber: Is there an API for accessing the docs (I'd like to update the docs used in Brackets...)?
2014-10-24 15:07:22 renoirb: Hi MarcelGerber
2014-10-24 15:07:35 renoirb: You can use MediaWiki API
2014-10-24 15:07:45 renoirb: Or update it through the Wiki itself
2014-10-24 15:09:16 MarcelGerber: Hm, so there's no way to get a format like this? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/adobe/brackets/master/src/extensions/default/WebPlatformDocs/css.json
2014-10-24 15:13:06 renoirb: I dont know how they worked it out at Adobe, MarcelGerber.
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2014-10-24 15:13:35 renoirb: You should send an email to public-webplatform@w3.org and add julee@adobe.com in CC about that.
2014-10-24 15:14:12 renoirb: We do have peole who used the API, but not myself. I´m maintaining the site infra and haven’t touched that yet.
2014-10-24 15:18:38 MarcelGerber: The problem with the MediaWiki API is, there's no real way to get non-HTML results, so every query will include the TOC, Related Sites and so on...
2014-10-24 15:18:41 MarcelGerber: I'll mail them
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2014-10-24 15:53:58 renoirb: MarcelGerber, I understand
2014-10-24 15:54:29 renoirb: Its what we’ve got so far. There are ways to get content though just that i dont have answers on top of my head
2014-10-24 15:54:52 renoirb: MarcelGerber you can take a llok at the page http://webplatform.frozenice.de/pageinfo.html
2014-10-24 15:55:06 renoirb: and add the bookmarklet (see on top right of that page)
2014-10-24 15:55:15 renoirb: with the bookmarklet you can get more data from any given page
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2014-10-24 18:00:27 hs0ucy: Hello everybody! How do we create translation page? Thanks!
2014-10-24 18:01:18 hs0ucy: A translation of a page ... I would like to translate some pages in french.
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2014-10-24 18:56:28 renoirb: hi hs0ucy !
2014-10-24 18:56:48 hs0ucy: renoirb: Hi.
2014-10-24 18:57:28 renoirb: hs0ucy, le problème avec la traduction est qu’il faut fare très attention de traduire ce qui est existant. Si tu ajoute du contenu, il est préférable de le faire en anglais, puis ensuite de le traduire. Sinon on va s’y perdre :)
2014-10-24 18:58:11 renoirb: est-tu un employé de SFL hs0ucy?
2014-10-24 18:58:34 hs0ucy: renoirb: Oui c'est ce que je veux faire. Je veux traduire du contenu qui est existant :)
2014-10-24 18:58:42 hs0ucy: renoirb: Oui
2014-10-24 18:58:42 renoirb: parfait hs0ucy.
2014-10-24 18:59:10 hs0ucy: renoirb: Oui je suis employé chez SFL.
2014-10-24 19:00:19 hs0ucy: renoirb: Ma question est comment je fais pour traduire une page? J'ai un compte et j'ai essayé en créant la page en allant sur l'URL https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners/fr
2014-10-24 19:00:20 renoirb: J’ai eu la chance de rencontrer Cyril Béraud dans des assemblées de l’APPELL (avant qu’il quitte, j`était même a ce C.A.)
2014-10-24 19:00:42 renoirb: oui, hs0ucy, je regarde pour te donner un exemple a cet instant.
2014-10-24 19:01:03 hs0ucy: renoirb: Je vais  le saluer de ta part quand je le verrai :)
2014-10-24 19:01:18 hs0ucy: renoirb: D'acc. merci
2014-10-24 19:01:58 renoirb: dis aussi bonjour a @amicalmant :)
2014-10-24 19:02:32 hs0ucy: renoirb: Oui, mais quel est ton nom au complet?
2014-10-24 19:02:41 renoirb: Renoir Boulanger, hs0ucy
2014-10-24 19:03:03 hs0ucy: renoirb: ok, merci
2014-10-24 19:04:16 hs0ucy: renoirb: Je ne les vois pas souvent. Ils sont au bureau de Montréal, tandis que moi je suis au bureau de Québec.
2014-10-24 19:04:25 renoirb: le problème avec la traduction est la config mediawiki pour l’i18n date d’il y a plus d’un an.  Beaucoup de choses ont changé depuis et je dois y travailler avec les extensions du moment.  Je viens récemment de mettre a jour la version du logiciel et je comptais bientôt mettre à jour le nécessiare pour la traduction.
2014-10-24 19:04:29 renoirb: assez complexe.
2014-10-24 19:04:45 renoirb: oh! Bonjour de Montréal donc :)
2014-10-24 19:06:17 renoirb: regarde ce courriel hs0ucy; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jul/0143.html
2014-10-24 19:07:02 hs0ucy: renoirb: Merci
2014-10-24 19:07:49 renoirb: si tu connais des gens qui ont de l’expérience MW et installation d’infra de i18n chez SFL, fais moi signe :)
2014-10-24 19:07:51 renoirb: hs0ucy ^
2014-10-24 19:08:30 hs0ucy: renoirb: excuse-moi mais c'est quoi MW?
2014-10-24 19:08:42 renoirb: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/113
2014-10-24 19:08:45 renoirb: MW = MediaWiki
2014-10-24 19:08:54 renoirb: http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/111
2014-10-24 19:09:05 renoirb: ces deux issues expliquent des délivrables pour aider à la traduction
2014-10-24 19:09:13 hs0ucy: renoirb: Ah ok ^^
2014-10-24 19:10:06 renoirb: Est-ce que c’est tes patrons qui t’ont demandé de contribuer à WebPlatform Docs?
2014-10-24 19:10:11 renoirb: hs0ucy ?
2014-10-24 19:10:20 hs0ucy: renoirb: T'as un budget pour ça? ça serait de l'implication? :)
2014-10-24 19:11:04 renoirb: Coté budget, il est possible d’en avoir si je retrouve une ressource experte en DevOps pour me couvrir quand je suis indisponible :)
2014-10-24 19:11:14 hs0ucy: renoirb: Non c'est une veille résolution que je remets toujours à plus tard :) ... Je me suis dit que j'allais commencé doucement avec quelques traductions.
2014-10-24 19:11:52 hs0ucy: renoirb: D'acc. j'en parle sur notre IRC ... On ne sait jamais :)
2014-10-24 19:12:59 renoirb: cool!  On a pas un grand budget, mais je dois trouver qqn avec qui je peux compter et aussi valider mes décisions, je suis un one-man-team sur une infra d’environ 40 serveurs virtuels.
2014-10-24 19:13:33 hs0ucy: renoirb: t'es bien occupé dit donc ^^
2014-10-24 19:13:44 renoirb: bref, si il y a qqn, pointe les  à www.w3.org/People/#renoirb  pour avoir mes coordonnées.
2014-10-24 19:13:56 hs0ucy: renoirb: as-tu reçu mes messages privés ?
2014-10-24 19:14:19 renoirb: oui.
2014-10-24 19:14:27 renoirb: sorry guys, switching back to english :)
2014-10-24 19:14:46 hs0ucy: renoirb: ah ok. j'étais pas sûr
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2014-10-28 00:27:05 renoirb: tripu, hi!
2014-10-28 00:27:05 tripu: renoirb: https://specs.webplatform.org/
2014-10-28 00:27:08 renoirb: f2f
2014-10-28 00:27:33 tripu 's silly
2014-10-28 00:27:50 renoirb: tripu, take a look at https://specs.webplatform.org/drafts/example-spec  which is coming from https://github.com/webspecs/example-spec
2014-10-28 00:28:39 renoirb: and i’m setting up https://specs.webplatform.org/anno-model/w3c/draft/
2014-10-28 00:31:44 renoirb: tripu ^
2014-10-28 00:42:51 AAA_awright: Woa, a place to contribute where the chair won't purposefully ignore my messages because I don't work for Google or Mozilla?
2014-10-28 00:42:59 AAA_awright: (really the same thing)
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2014-10-28 01:22:39 renoirb: Hey AAA_awright !!
2014-10-28 01:22:40 renoirb: yup!
2014-10-28 01:22:42 renoirb: precisely
2014-10-28 01:22:52 renoirb: Robin Berjon is leading that project AAA_awright
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2014-10-28 02:26:42 AAA_awright: renoirb: You sound as if you've tried to reason with those WGs too
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2014-10-28 10:33:39 ravenzz: yo paul_irish
2014-10-28 10:34:57 ravenzz: would an opacity < 1 trigger hardware acceleration?
2014-10-28 10:35:34 ravenzz: oh nvm I just found http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/speed/high-performance-animations/
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2014-11-04 18:02:28 eliezerb: I'm also around
2014-11-04 18:02:32 eliezerb: On IRC
2014-11-04 18:03:27 renoirb: Hi, i’m on the call
2014-11-04 18:03:30 renoirb: nobody is here
2014-11-04 18:05:03 eliezerb: :(
2014-11-04 18:05:58 Eliot: I'm lurking while attending another "thing"
2014-11-04 18:10:40 AmeliaBR: Eliot & eliezerb: Just me & renoirB on the call; he's giving a recap of his "hall talks" from W3C TPAC
2014-11-04 18:11:12 eliezerb: Nice :D
2014-11-04 18:12:05 AmeliaBR: ...should we be focusing WPDocs on documenting the basics (somewhat duplicating MDN), or should we be pushing ahead with focus on new/experimental specs, where there isn't necessarily easy-to-read content out there
2014-11-04 18:13:21 maxo2708: with new/experimental specs we just have to remember to update as specs change
2014-11-04 18:17:12 AmeliaBR: maxo2708: very important point.  We also need a way to indicating the stability status & compatibility of individual attribute values or CSS property values, separate from the overall attribute or property.
2014-11-04 18:19:44 eliezerb: And the ideia of pushing SVG docs?
2014-11-04 18:19:51 AmeliaBR: renoirb updating current projects: organize all git repos to create an automated build system so that updates to core code can be easily deployed with proper version tracking; allow other people to patch code, while protecting passwords and other private info.
2014-11-04 18:20:45 AmeliaBR: ...also working with new sign in, and annotations system (which are connected together -- won't deploy annotations until sign in works for it)
2014-11-04 18:21:47 AmeliaBR: eliezerb: SVG needs major template work.  I'd promised to do that, but have been crazy busy past few months.  Hope to refocus soon...
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2014-11-04 18:35:51 Eliot: We need to nail the basics--from a functionality perspective. That's what Renoir and Doug are working on.
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2014-11-04 18:38:07 AmeliaBR: Eliot: that's my perspective, too.  But of course it would be good to do both!
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2014-11-04 18:42:46 Eliot: AmeliaBR: +1, if we have the resources. I'd really like to see us concentrate on building community over a sustained period of time.
2014-11-04 18:43:15 Eliot: THEN, we can fund both (once we have the many hands to make light work). :-)
2014-11-04 18:44:00 eliezerb: Eliot: +1
2014-11-04 18:46:25 renoirb: Yup.
2014-11-04 18:47:30 AmeliaBR: Eliot: Exactly.  We need the core docs to draw users to the site, the infrastructure that makes it easy for them to contribute, and then the community can build up and start expanding to cover everything that people are interested in.
2014-11-04 18:47:58 renoirb: We’ve got annotations on w3.org can be deployed. But blocker issue is the accounts system needs to be updated with upstream changes and also I have to improve the way we communicate the user session details. I went to visit Firefox Accounts team in Mozilla San Francisco office. They’ve been kind and gave me some pointers to achieve our use-case.
2014-11-04 18:48:44 renoirb: End result is to have a more resilient account system, that we can use dependencies that aren’t out of date (as they are now)... and that we can sign in with a username.
2014-11-04 18:48:52 AmeliaBR: Renoirb; it's like the analogy you were using on the call: you have to build a chicken factory to create the chicken that will create the eggs that will create the chickens...
2014-11-04 18:49:18 renoirb: indeed
2014-11-04 18:49:41 renoirb: Hi maxo2708, we just got a team meeting. On the call there was me and AmeliaBR
2014-11-04 18:54:09 eliezerb: Someone have any news about the Contributor's Guide?
2014-11-04 18:54:10 eliezerb: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Contributors_Guide
2014-11-04 18:54:15 eliezerb: Is this the last version?
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2014-11-04 19:51:28 jahpereira: hello all
2014-11-04 19:51:46 jahpereira: greetings from Portugal
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2014-11-04 20:12:14 renoirb: Hi JacoK
2014-11-04 20:12:23 renoirb: oops. Gosh, say hi and leave two minutes after
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2014-11-09 08:31:33 goeias: http://allergicallydac.noads.biz cool site!
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2014-11-09 10:01:28 newCodingGeek: Hello.
2014-11-09 10:02:44 newCodingGeek: I was looking for anyone experienced with working with various apis, google, facebook, twitter, instagram?
2014-11-09 10:04:47 newCodingGeek: i was wondering how big of a project would it be to create a program that after receiving a submission through google forms, uses the details provided in that form to add that person to a facebook group, send a message on twitter and follow, and start following on instagram.
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2014-11-10 15:23:18 the_tricky: hello guys
2014-11-10 15:23:25 Zimdale: hi
2014-11-10 15:23:53 the_tricky: i am wondering about what techs do i need to create a web-based messenger
2014-11-10 15:23:59 the_tricky: any ideas?
2014-11-10 15:24:17 Zimdale: What kind of web based messenger?
2014-11-10 15:24:19 Zimdale: like a chat room?
2014-11-10 15:24:22 Zimdale: or like an AIM clone?
2014-11-10 15:24:40 the_tricky: nope a person-to-person
2014-11-10 15:24:52 the_tricky: including group chats maybe
2014-11-10 15:25:21 the_tricky: thinking of node.js as a backend solution
2014-11-10 15:25:23 Zimdale: I'd use node sockets
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2014-11-10 15:25:44 the_tricky: so, you think, node.js will do?
2014-11-10 15:25:56 Zimdale: Or if you're feeling adventurous there's always firebase
2014-11-10 15:26:20 Zimdale: firebase mixed with Angular would make it pretty easy
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2014-11-10 15:26:37 Zimdale: no guarantees on performance
2014-11-10 15:27:11 Zimdale: Would be a fun project to make though
2014-11-10 15:27:12 the_tricky: right, so i have node/angular/firebase for backend, right?
2014-11-10 15:27:25 Zimdale: angular is front end
2014-11-10 15:27:29 Zimdale: firebase is backend-as-a-service
2014-11-10 15:27:36 Zimdale: so you would need no node if you use firebase
2014-11-10 15:27:44 the_tricky: oh, sorry
2014-11-10 15:27:53 the_tricky: never done web-related coding
2014-11-10 15:28:10 Zimdale: oh?
2014-11-10 15:28:27 Zimdale: Sounds like a tricky first project
2014-11-10 15:28:35 the_tricky: yeah, it does
2014-11-10 15:28:47 Zimdale: I think it'd be actually fairly simple with Angular and Firebase
2014-11-10 15:29:03 Zimdale: but I have used both so it's hard to tell if you're going in blind
2014-11-10 15:29:23 the_tricky: could you, please, tell me more about firebase?
2014-11-10 15:29:29 Zimdale: however nodejs would probably scale better than firebase
2014-11-10 15:29:35 the_tricky: is it kind of data stroing solution?
2014-11-10 15:29:41 the_tricky: storing
2014-11-10 15:29:44 Zimdale: https://www.firebase.com/
2014-11-10 15:30:09 Zimdale: It's basically outsourcing your backend
2014-11-10 15:30:13 the_tricky: OMG, so stupid of me
2014-11-10 15:30:49 Zimdale: hard to say how well or how practical it would scale
2014-11-10 15:30:51 the_tricky: by the way, have you got any web development experience?
2014-11-10 15:30:52 Zimdale: but for a first project why not
2014-11-10 15:30:57 Zimdale: Yes
2014-11-10 15:31:02 the_tricky: how long?
2014-11-10 15:31:07 Zimdale: uhh
2014-11-10 15:31:19 the_tricky: approximately, if you don't mind
2014-11-10 15:31:22 Zimdale: I've been doing it professionally for 3 years and unprofessionally for like uhh 7 or 8?
2014-11-10 15:31:39 the_tricky: whoa, that's lots of experience
2014-11-10 15:31:55 Zimdale: Did php a lot
2014-11-10 15:32:00 Zimdale: now I primarily do front end and nodejs
2014-11-10 15:32:07 the_tricky: would you mind giving me your email to contact?
2014-11-10 15:32:20 the_tricky: not to look for you via IRC
2014-11-10 15:32:59 the_tricky: just in case i have more questions
2014-11-10 15:33:02 Zimdale: What's wrong with IRC?
2014-11-10 15:33:23 the_tricky: well, private chatting seems to be more productive
2014-11-10 15:33:33 the_tricky: but thanks anyway
2014-11-10 15:33:40 the_tricky: it was great help
2014-11-10 15:34:10 Zimdale: irc has private chatting
2014-11-10 15:34:26 Zimdale: Public is a bit more beneficial for the overall community though
2014-11-10 15:34:48 the_tricky: oh yes, thanks
2014-11-10 15:35:01 Zimdale: I just probably wouldn't respond to email
2014-11-10 15:35:06 the_tricky: any good book to study node?
2014-11-10 15:35:48 Zimdale: maybe not node specific
2014-11-10 15:35:51 Zimdale: but I did enjoy https://leanpub.com/javascript-allonge
2014-11-10 15:35:59 Zimdale: Other than that I usually just use internet resource
2014-11-10 15:36:39 the_tricky: i really appreciate that
2014-11-10 15:36:56 the_tricky: so i have to go and practise my JS
2014-11-10 15:36:59 Zimdale: It's a good confusing read
2014-11-10 15:37:26 Zimdale: There's also http://nodeschool.io/
2014-11-10 15:38:11 Zimdale: Make a repo for it on github. May consider contributing if I have time.
2014-11-10 15:39:26 the_tricky: Zimdale: that would be quite fun
2014-11-10 15:48:28 renoirb: Hi!
2014-11-10 15:48:34 Zimdale: hi renoirb
2014-11-10 15:48:43 renoirb: Hi the_tricky, Zimdale. First time I see you guys around!
2014-11-10 15:48:52 Zimdale: Yup
2014-11-10 15:48:56 renoirb just opened up this thread, catching up on the thread.
2014-11-10 15:49:45 renoirb: Uhm, good question the_tricky.
2014-11-10 15:50:01 renoirb: What is your favourite tech? PHP or NodeJS?
2014-11-10 15:50:21 renoirb: by favourite here I mean the one you are most proficient.
2014-11-10 15:50:29 the_tricky: renoirb: the problem is i don't have one
2014-11-10 15:50:47 the_tricky: renoirb: going to try something for web
2014-11-10 15:50:48 Zimdale: doing a chat client in php would be a bit rough
2014-11-10 15:51:00 the_tricky: renoirb: and now thinking of node.js
2014-11-10 15:51:18 renoirb: not really Zimdale, PHP can now be used for evented applications
2014-11-10 15:51:46 Zimdale: with phpng?
2014-11-10 15:51:53 Zimdale: or with like php 5.6?
2014-11-10 15:52:01 renoirb: Zimdale, or HHVM. But the core PHP 5.3 can support it too.
2014-11-10 15:52:20 renoirb: http://reactphp.org is one good example.
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2014-11-10 15:53:22 Zimdale: lol that seems so wrong
2014-11-10 15:53:22 renoirb: If I were to start a greenfield project, it would be using: NGINX, HHVM, Backbone, WebRTC
2014-11-10 15:53:25 Zimdale: yet interesting
2014-11-10 15:54:06 renoirb: ... and Web Service workers http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/workers/basics/
2014-11-10 15:55:06 the_tricky: i've heard of all that stuff
2014-11-10 15:55:13 the_tricky: but what is HHVM?
2014-11-10 15:55:18 the_tricky: what is it for?
2014-11-10 15:55:57 the_tricky: it's a kind of virtual machine, i suppose
2014-11-10 15:56:18 the_tricky: oh yeah, i get it
2014-11-10 15:56:31 the_tricky: that's cool
2014-11-10 15:57:09 renoirb: I made a quick web search and found this article, it feels to be saying relevant things and to be close to my own understanding.
2014-11-10 15:57:12 renoirb: http://www.tokbox.com/blog/webrtc-data-channels-vs-websockets/
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2014-11-10 15:58:31 renoirb: the_tricky, HHVM is Facebook’s rewrite of PHP.  It improves speed for most of the php stacks and is getting parity with almost current php version + Strict typing.
2014-11-10 15:58:36 renoirb: (and other stuff, of course)
2014-11-10 16:00:58 renoirb: I made a mistake in my explainations.  HHVM is a PHP Virtual Machine that improves web application performance, it can be used as a replacement of php-fpm (e.g. NGINX proxy pass to NGINX instead of php-fpm)
2014-11-10 16:01:20 renoirb: HHVM has, internally, a fork of PHP of its own called Hack.
2014-11-10 16:01:29 renoirb: http://hacklang.org
2014-11-10 16:02:21 renoirb will get back to his duties.  Ping me if you have other questions related to the site :)
2014-11-10 16:02:45 Zimdale: pffff duties
2014-11-10 16:03:02 the_tricky: renoirb: thanks for your help
2014-11-10 16:03:18 the_tricky: by the way, how do you send messages like renoirb did>
2014-11-10 16:03:20 the_tricky: ?
2014-11-10 16:03:27 Zimdale: the action thing?
2014-11-10 16:03:31 Zimdale: use /me
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2014-11-10 16:03:40 the_tricky wow
2014-11-10 16:03:54 the_tricky: thanks
2014-11-10 16:04:36 renoirb is the maintainer of webplatform.org. I have reports to write, and its too easy to get distracted by chat :)
2014-11-10 16:05:15 the_tricky: that's cool
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2014-11-10 21:57:34 renoirb: Hi Zimdale
2014-11-10 21:57:45 Zimdale: hi renoirb
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2014-11-11 18:48:05 wpdbot: renoirb created T2: test. https://project.webplatformstaging.org/T2
2014-11-11 18:49:16 renoirb: Please ignore wpdbot, its a test for my own purposes.
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2014-11-11 19:04:09 wpdbot: renoirb closed T2: test as "Resolved". https://project.webplatformstaging.org/T2
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2014-11-11 19:27:01 renoirb: T1
2014-11-11 19:27:02 wpdbot: T1: Hey dude - https://project.webplatformstaging.org/T1
2014-11-11 19:27:03 renoirb: ?
2014-11-11 19:27:04 renoirb: :)
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2014-11-15 09:22:34 the_tricky: hello, guys
2014-11-15 09:22:47 the_tricky: i've got a web page with several forms
2014-11-15 09:23:03 the_tricky: their size is set using % page width
2014-11-15 09:23:22 the_tricky: why do they look OK via desktop and weird on mobile?
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2014-11-15 09:30:11 the_tricky: and by weird i mean that they do not line up
2014-11-15 09:30:17 the_tricky: they go like ladder
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2014-11-15 10:37:31 mistnim: hello, I would like to learn web design, as of now, I know nothing about it. I wanted to start with the webplatform html guide, but it says it's not ready. Do you think is it a good idea to start with it? Any suggestions?
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2014-11-16 15:53:02 ihusa: hello everyone, I need cost and time estimate for my project, and have just written down everything that needs to be developed. can anyone help me with an estimate, not necessarily close to exact, but enough to make a budget decision. thank you very much!
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2014-11-17 11:09:03 the_tricky: anyone alive?
2014-11-17 11:09:36 the_tricky: so, why do inputs which size is set by % of page width look weird on mobile?
2014-11-17 11:09:48 the_tricky: any ideas?
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2014-11-17 21:41:55 the_tricky: a good book to learn the layout basics?
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2014-11-19 17:22:00 davneet: w3 consortium makes html .Why doesn't W3 create WYSIWYG editors as well?
2014-11-19 17:22:20 davneet: To make the HTML access a bit easier for anybody.
2014-11-19 17:24:06 eliezerb: davneet: Hello, I think W3C is more focused on building accessible specification for developers and browsers about HTML, CSS and so on :)
2014-11-19 17:25:13 davneet: eliwzerb: I could not pick out which WYSIWYG editor to choose from a list, I could not identify which is better, or which is worse.
2014-11-19 17:25:33 eliezerb: davneet: Webplatform.org is a W3C initiative that aims at help developers get started with technology
2014-11-19 17:26:15 eliezerb: davneet: There's a lot of editors around there, each one of them has a specific focus
2014-11-19 17:26:55 JacoK: part
2014-11-19 17:28:04 thinkxl: davneet: WYSIWYG editor can't replace a browser, either way you will have to test your website in different browsers, IMO, a WYSIWYG editor will get in your way a little bit in that matter
2014-11-19 17:28:29 thinkxl: davneet: a good text editor and a browser would be enough to do html
2014-11-19 17:28:41 eliezerb: thinkxl: Yes! +1
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2014-11-19 17:30:24 davneet: thinkxl: Thanks. +1.
2014-11-19 17:30:55 davneet: I was also having a problem in responsive pdf or ppt in the web browser.
2014-11-19 17:31:10 davneet: I have made content in powerpoint and pdf .
2014-11-19 17:31:29 davneet: But I cannot move all the content to html
2014-11-19 17:31:43 davneet: If I do partially, then it is not responsive.
2014-11-19 17:32:11 davneet: If there is any ways I could not do the same thing twice.
2014-11-19 17:32:22 davneet: Once in ppt , then in html.
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2014-11-19 17:38:52 thinkxl: ppt responsive?
2014-11-19 17:41:46 thinkxl: I would say that do your content directly on html I mean, build you website
2014-11-19 17:42:02 davneet: My ppt is kind of the content i created, I want to put in my website as well but do not do the double work of making a ppt first and then doing the same in HTML. Want to make my content once so that it works on any platform, be it desktop,mobile or tablet
2014-11-19 17:42:15 davneet: Oh.Alright.
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2014-11-19 20:07:01 renoirb: hi all
2014-11-19 20:08:26 thinkxl: yo
2014-11-19 20:08:47 renoirb: thinkxl, you are right WYSIWYG cant replace a browser.  But in fact that’s been thought about.
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2014-11-19 20:09:01 renoirb: Some of the members in the working groups did work on such softwares.
2014-11-19 20:09:05 thinkxl: uh?
2014-11-19 20:09:07 thinkxl: oh oh
2014-11-19 20:09:22 thinkxl: yes
2014-11-19 20:09:35 thinkxl: I know, i just think that when you are learning html
2014-11-19 20:09:39 thinkxl: doing it by hand is better
2014-11-19 20:09:52 thinkxl: then you can switch to WYSIWYG if you want, and you will understand what is happening
2014-11-19 20:09:58 thinkxl: personal preference :)
2014-11-19 20:10:14 renoirb: But their focus on the rendering and they do use their past experience in the field. Some most likely do work on that too. But problem with standards is that it takes time and has to take into account interoperability and open.
2014-11-19 20:10:31 renoirb: hell yes, typing by hand is the best way to learn and remember stuff.
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2014-11-20 13:33:40 the_tricky: guys?
2014-11-20 13:34:32 the_tricky: does someone know a nice and simple jquery plugin for popup image gallery?
2014-11-20 13:34:46 the_tricky: which is your favourite one?
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2014-11-20 14:10:32 ravenzz: the_tricky: you may want to ask on #jquery
2014-11-20 14:10:45 the_tricky: ravenzz: god, thanks
2014-11-20 14:10:51 the_tricky: ravenzz: going there
2014-11-20 14:11:05 ravenzz: cool
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2014-11-24 22:37:20 metasansana: hello platformers
2014-11-24 22:44:29 renoirb: hi metasansana !
2014-11-24 22:46:25 metasansana: hello renoirb
2014-11-24 22:46:47 renoirb: Is it your first time around metasansana ?
2014-11-24 22:47:59 metasansana: kind of, I was here a few times, but not very active
2014-11-24 22:48:57 metasansana: I saw a lot new web apis and proposals on the Internet
2014-11-24 22:49:29 metasansana: I figured being involved with something like this might help me get a better understanding of what's out there
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2014-11-24 22:52:12 renoirb: I know its not very active metasansana, i’m there full-time monitoring the channel and its been very quiet in the last months
2014-11-24 22:52:15 renoirb: :/
2014-11-24 22:52:36 metasansana: oh sorry, I meant I have not been very active
2014-11-24 22:54:21 renoirb: oh! I thought you were talking about the channel itself.
2014-11-24 22:56:35 metasansana: na
2014-11-24 22:56:46 renoirb: where are you from metasansana ?
2014-11-24 22:56:59 metasansana: Trinidad and Tobago
2014-11-24 22:57:36 renoirb: in south america?
2014-11-24 22:57:48 metasansana: well, literally just above it
2014-11-24 22:58:04 metasansana: well on a flat map anyway
2014-11-24 22:58:13 renoirb: hahaha
2014-11-24 22:58:35 renoirb: Is it part of Venezuela or its an independent country?
2014-11-24 22:58:40 metasansana: :/
2014-11-24 22:58:49 eliezerb: renoirb: woa
2014-11-24 22:58:49 metasansana: independent
2014-11-24 22:58:50 eliezerb: hahahaa
2014-11-24 22:59:00 renoirb know how to Google map stuff :]
2014-11-24 22:59:02 eliezerb: Trinidad and Tobago is a awesome country
2014-11-24 22:59:03 metasansana: we still have our freedoms lol
2014-11-24 22:59:07 eliezerb: an*
2014-11-24 22:59:11 eliezerb: :D
2014-11-24 22:59:18 metasansana: really? you have been here eliezerb?
2014-11-24 22:59:21 eliezerb: Red flag with a black stripe
2014-11-24 22:59:29 eliezerb: metasansana: Only with Google Earth
2014-11-24 22:59:35 metasansana: lol ok
2014-11-24 22:59:39 eliezerb: That piece of software can take you far
2014-11-24 23:00:02 renoirb: I’m from Canada. USA’s sibling.
2014-11-24 23:00:10 renoirb: somehow
2014-11-24 23:00:13 eliezerb: btw, hello renoirb and metasansana
2014-11-24 23:00:18 renoirb: hi eliezerb !
2014-11-24 23:00:22 eliezerb: And I'm from Brazil!
2014-11-24 23:01:02 metasansana: hello eliezerb
2014-11-24 23:01:32 metasansana: Brazil and Canada are definitely awesome
2014-11-24 23:02:02 metasansana: Canada is like our pumpkin vine common wealth cousin.
2014-11-24 23:05:01 metasansana: what motivates you to work on this project?
2014-11-24 23:06:02 eliezerb: metasansana: Passion about the Web and Open Knowledge :)
2014-11-24 23:09:51 metasansana: hmmm, I see
2014-11-24 23:10:50 metasansana: that's cool
2014-11-24 23:11:26 metasansana: well I'm going to read up the docs some
2014-11-24 23:11:48 metasansana: nice chatting. hopefully I can be helpful around here :)
2014-11-24 23:16:45 renoirb: metasansana, me, its that I wanted to participate in documenting web developer techniques... as part of something. I think its more worthwhile than making a site all by myself, the W3C is a great reference for this and I jumped in when I learned about it.
2014-11-24 23:17:03 renoirb: I’ve got a job within W3C not so much later after I started contributing.
2014-11-24 23:17:32 renoirb: In fact I started htmlcsstherightway.org and stopped it because I’d rather have something as part of webplatform.org instead
2014-11-24 23:18:06 renoirb gotta go, groceries stuff
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2014-11-25 18:00:12 renoirb: hi all
2014-11-25 18:00:52 thinkxl: yo
2014-11-25 18:01:38 renoirb: hi
2014-11-25 18:01:51 thinkxl: hello, how you doing
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2014-11-25 18:16:48 renoirb: Very good thinkxl, and you?
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2014-12-04 23:35:39 AAA_awright: Where should that go?
2014-12-04 23:48:09 patsToms: AAA_awright, you mean - which elements can be in <li>?
2014-12-04 23:52:48 AAA_awright: patsToms: Yeah... any "flow elements" but I don't see that on the page anywhere
2014-12-04 23:53:03 AAA_awright: I had to look that up from the spec itself
2014-12-04 23:53:20 patsToms: AAA_awright, there is command that article is in progress
2014-12-04 23:55:35 patsToms: I mean - comment
2014-12-04 23:57:35 AAA_awright: patsToms: Shouldn't the articles say where they're valid, and what elements are valid children?
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2014-12-08 23:34:07 AAA_awright: My search for pesudo returns nothing
2014-12-08 23:34:28 AAA_awright: er
2014-12-08 23:34:32 AAA_awright: pseudo
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2014-12-08 23:36:47 AAA_awright: nvm, my problem is we need spell check :)
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2014-12-10 22:19:48 renoirb: deploying on notes.webplatform.org is done
2014-12-10 22:20:46 AAA_awright: https://www.google.com/search?q=HTMLFormElement+site:docs.webplatform.org Why is this returning zero results?
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2014-12-11 16:10:37 renoirb: all should be back in order on notes.webplatform.org
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2014-12-12 14:59:02 the_tricky: here is the deal
2014-12-12 14:59:14 the_tricky: i have a photo grid on a page
2014-12-12 14:59:25 the_tricky: every pic is clickable
2014-12-12 14:59:37 the_tricky: to zoom, of course
2014-12-12 15:00:52 the_tricky: is there a jquery plugin to make popup windows act like a gallery?
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2014-12-15 15:37:24 renoirb: ohai :)
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2014-12-15 17:45:54 Ablu: renoirb: hi.
2014-12-15 17:45:57 Ablu: do i know you? :)
2014-12-15 17:46:35 renoirb: Hi Ablu. I was trying autocomplete on a nick that wrote something a few hours ago. Then I made a mistake to hit enter.
2014-12-15 17:46:49 renoirb: We never spoke I think.
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2014-12-17 18:53:17 developerjustin: has anyone ever seen an issue involving multiple box-shadows in safari? appears to work in Chrome and Firefox. The shadows just don't render at all. Color and all four numeric values specified.
2014-12-17 18:56:19 developerjustin: just tested in ie9, even works there
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2014-12-17 19:25:52 thinkxl: developerjustin: you can ask in #css
2014-12-17 19:26:24 thinkxl: developerjustin: http://caniuse.com/#search=box-shadow
2014-12-17 19:26:31 developerjustin: thinkxl: ah, thanks. I ended up narrowing it down to a safari bug regarding border radius and multiple box shadows. I think making an SVG may be my best bet
2014-12-17 19:26:33 thinkxl: box-shadow is supported by safari
2014-12-17 19:26:52 thinkxl: oh, cool
2014-12-17 19:26:57 thinkxl: glad you figured it out
2014-12-17 19:28:24 developerjustin: yup. Thanks. SVG will be easier to position anyway. The CSS was a bit of a hack. Trying to make multiple layers of semi-transparent blue for a sidebar.
2014-12-17 19:28:24 developerjustin: http://screencast.com/t/WfAduLDwZtK
2014-12-17 19:29:07 thinkxl: oh, that looks nice
2014-12-17 19:29:24 thinkxl: in a world where everything is flat, details are great
2014-12-17 19:29:25 thinkxl: :)
2014-12-17 19:29:36 developerjustin: haha looks a lot better in photoshop than it does in CSS right now
2014-12-17 19:29:38 developerjustin: thanks again!
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2015-01-02 13:31:13 Ralt: hi
2015-01-02 13:31:21 Ralt: I wanted to add missing methods on the Array page: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array
2015-01-02 13:31:30 Ralt: but I don't find in the edit form where to change that...
2015-01-02 13:33:25 Ralt: according to topic: renoirb ^
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2015-01-02 16:22:45 Ralt: hm
2015-01-02 16:22:47 Ralt: nobody's here?
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2015-01-02 17:52:03 renoirb: Hi Ralt, Happy new year!
2015-01-02 17:53:14 renoirb: I’m in vacation and I forgot to adjust the topic :(  I’ll be back working full time on monday. I’m generally available here between 9:30 to 19:00 EST
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2015-01-03 00:21:32 renoirb: To answer your question Ralt, you have to do at least two things.      1. Take a look at https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Creating_API_pages    2. Create a page with the right template from https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:New_Page    3. In the Page Edit form view, ensure you have a section title "JavaScript Page"
2015-01-03 00:21:48 renoirb: If you need more, Ralt, I´ll look with you on Monday
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2015-01-05 00:24:47 weblife: Would anyone here be interested in a book about "Engineering Customer Relationship Management Web Applications with Node.js & MongoDB" : https://github.com/webbrandon/simple-secure-auth
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2015-01-06 02:32:30 raphaelfabeni: Hi guys!
2015-01-06 02:33:22 raphaelfabeni: someone know how I start to translate some content? What are the correct steps?
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2015-01-06 09:12:13 the_tricky: here's the deal
2015-01-06 09:12:23 the_tricky: there's a website
2015-01-06 09:13:07 the_tricky: anyone can fill several forms and then get redirected to the special page
2015-01-06 09:13:30 the_tricky: the page's URL looks like: site.com/[some_hash]
2015-01-06 09:13:36 the_tricky: looks like md5
2015-01-06 09:14:16 the_tricky: i believe that the values of the forms and the hash are connected somehow
2015-01-06 09:14:36 the_tricky: but i still don't know how exactly
2015-01-06 09:15:15 the_tricky: is there a way to see the source of the script generating the URL?
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2015-01-08 21:48:56 the_tricky: hello there guys
2015-01-08 21:49:09 the_tricky: where do i learn html markup using divs?
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2015-01-08 22:01:30 Garbee: the_tricky: What exactly do you mean?
2015-01-08 22:01:44 Garbee: Do you want to learn how to build sites using HTML or specifically about a div element?
2015-01-08 22:02:09 the_tricky: Garbee: specifically div markup
2015-01-08 22:02:26 the_tricky: Garbee: not using tables (as i do), but divs
2015-01-08 22:02:50 Garbee: So you want to learn how to *layout* a page not using tables.
2015-01-08 22:03:13 the_tricky: Garbee: yes, i think that's the right word
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2015-01-08 22:05:38 the_tricky: but anyway, where do i learn it?
2015-01-08 22:06:40 Garbee: After a real quick glance over stuff we have: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/the_css_layout_model  and  https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/layout_fundamentals
2015-01-08 22:06:51 Garbee: One is very detailed and elaborate.
2015-01-08 22:07:15 Garbee: The other is short, but I'm not sure how much it gets into what you want to know. Looking in other places still.
2015-01-08 22:07:35 the_tricky: Garbee: those seem to be quite useful, thanks a lot
2015-01-08 22:07:59 Garbee: renoirb: So, flags are removed now. I just found a duplicate page. Since I can't mark a page as a deletion candidate should I just delete and leave a forward to the page that is marked as ready to use? (Same content it seems, just different URL.)
2015-01-08 22:08:30 the_tricky: but where do people generally learn layout? is that all about practice? are there any good books?
2015-01-08 22:09:00 Garbee: afaik, Practice and using tools like bootstrap to cheat.
2015-01-08 22:09:08 Garbee: http://www.getbootstrap.com
2015-01-08 22:09:30 Garbee: It is a framework for application UX.
2015-01-08 22:09:48 Garbee: It gives you a predefined set of styles and what is called a "grid" to help you layout your page more easily.
2015-01-08 22:10:01 the_tricky: yes, i've heard of bootstrap already
2015-01-08 22:10:08 Garbee: Unfortunately, instead of actually learning how layout works now most people jump straight to a framework.
2015-01-08 22:10:33 the_tricky: well, that's the thing i was going to ask about
2015-01-08 22:10:38 Garbee: Then they learn layout as they have more complex needs come up (or they give up on things that frameworks don't help with since it is "too difficult.")
2015-01-08 22:11:04 the_tricky: is it better to learn layout without frameworks first?
2015-01-08 22:11:19 Garbee: How is it best to learn anything?
2015-01-08 22:11:26 Garbee: Depends on the person and many variables.
2015-01-08 22:11:34 the_tricky: in your opinion, of course
2015-01-08 22:11:44 Garbee: What I would recommend is, start with trial and error.
2015-01-08 22:11:51 Garbee: Build a little playground page to mess with.
2015-01-08 22:12:04 Garbee: Look at designs on sites and try to replicate their basic structure in your own CSS and elements.
2015-01-08 22:12:25 Garbee: Then once you know how to move things around a bit. Actually read over the stuff Bootstrap provides.
2015-01-08 22:12:32 Garbee: Then build a little playground with Bootstrap.
2015-01-08 22:12:35 the_tricky: i mean, do i need to know anything profound about "regular" layout to work with bootstrap for example?
2015-01-08 22:12:55 Garbee: No, it is really two different ways of taking on a problem.
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2015-01-08 22:13:12 the_tricky: that's the answer i was looking for
2015-01-08 22:13:15 Garbee: Hand-coding your layout you will end up with more concise CSS most likely.
2015-01-08 22:13:16 the_tricky: thanks a lot
2015-01-08 22:13:45 Garbee: Bootstrap will have this "grid" that adds a lot of extra stuff in, but gives you a uniform way of laying stuff out (with some restrictions unless you know how to get around certain things.)
2015-01-08 22:14:49 Garbee: If you jump right into Bootstrap. Just read over the source code little by little and try to understand how things work and are interacting with each other.
2015-01-08 22:15:23 Garbee: Coming to understand its code will help you build better things (and just be more knowledgeable about web dev.)
2015-01-08 22:18:18 Garbee: Oh, I see what ya'll are doing now. The deletion candidate type stuff is just put into the "what needs to be done" box.
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2015-01-08 22:31:20 renoirb: Hi Garbee,
2015-01-08 22:31:24 renoirb is reading
2015-01-08 22:33:33 Garbee: I think I just need to delete and forward delete candidates that don't have any needed/usable content for the other page.
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2015-01-20 19:05:38 the_tricky: hello there, guys
2015-01-20 19:05:46 the_tricky: here is the deal
2015-01-20 19:06:15 the_tricky: does anyone know a person to help out with .psd layout for a website?
2015-01-20 19:06:43 the_tricky: we don't have any budget yet
2015-01-20 19:06:57 the_tricky: so, it's all about interest
2015-01-20 19:07:14 the_tricky: if you have any ideas, please, feel free to comment
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2015-01-21 18:05:01 amdbcg: hi
2015-01-21 18:05:09 lleonard: Any WP admins/leaders nearby?
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2015-01-21 18:08:42 lleonard: Curious if there's a current list of topics that need attention.
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2015-01-21 22:34:38 renoirb: Hi lleonard
2015-01-21 22:34:48 renoirb: What are you searching for?
2015-01-21 22:39:15 lleonard: Something along the lines of what used to be the Web Wednesday focus areas.
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2015-01-25 11:55:48 the_tricky: hello there, guys
2015-01-25 11:55:58 the_tricky: i am kind of new to webdev
2015-01-25 11:56:14 the_tricky: but i am thinking of trying something with node
2015-01-25 11:56:27 the_tricky: and it goes quite well
2015-01-25 11:56:47 the_tricky: but now i think i will need some kind of database
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2015-01-25 11:57:27 the_tricky: any ideas?
2015-01-25 11:58:51 the_tricky: is MongoDB ok?
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2015-01-31 22:01:48 the_tricky: guys, which hosting would you advise?
2015-01-31 22:02:12 the_tricky: something smart, but not too expensive
2015-01-31 22:02:58 the_tricky: and what is your favourite domain registrar?
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2015-02-05 03:27:57 AAA_awright: Shouldn't there be a page on aria-role somewhere?
2015-02-05 03:41:35 AAA_awright: Also, I don't think there's such a thing as https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLDTElement correct?
2015-02-05 03:41:50 AAA_awright: DT's DOM node is just HTMLElement
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2015-02-05 05:27:18 renoirb: Hey AAA_awright thats nice pick
2015-02-05 05:27:23 renoirb: can you bring that to the list plz :)
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2015-02-05 19:21:00 SimoPiersi: hi!
2015-02-05 19:23:56 thinkxl: what's up
2015-02-05 19:24:06 SimoPiersi: trying to add a search box
2015-02-05 19:24:07 SimoPiersi: on a html page
2015-02-05 19:24:25 thinkxl: and what's the problem?
2015-02-05 19:24:37 SimoPiersi: well i've googled it
2015-02-05 19:24:47 SimoPiersi: and i've found different ways to add it
2015-02-05 19:24:48 thinkxl: you mean, a google search box ?
2015-02-05 19:24:59 thinkxl: in your site?
2015-02-05 19:25:12 SimoPiersi: i thought something more specific but yes mainly a google search box
2015-02-05 19:25:51 SimoPiersi: the problem is that i can't tell the differences between the different ways
2015-02-05 19:25:59 SimoPiersi: which is the best
2015-02-05 19:26:00 SimoPiersi: ?
2015-02-05 19:26:27 thinkxl: well, my advice is to try different ones, and keep with the one that fits your needs
2015-02-05 19:26:56 SimoPiersi: the first i've found uses a form tag
2015-02-05 19:26:56 thinkxl: google offers custom google search box, I think
2015-02-05 19:27:04 thinkxl: so you can add their search box into your site
2015-02-05 19:27:07 thinkxl: and show results
2015-02-05 19:27:20 SimoPiersi: i want to create it on my own
2015-02-05 19:27:23 thinkxl: well, it has to be a form tag, with a input[type=text]
2015-02-05 19:27:33 SimoPiersi: with css and so on
2015-02-05 19:27:52 thinkxl: ok you can create your search box with html+css but the search functionality
2015-02-05 19:27:56 thinkxl: is a different story
2015-02-05 19:27:57 SimoPiersi: if you want to check
2015-02-05 19:28:03 SimoPiersi: here's the guide
2015-02-05 19:28:05 SimoPiersi: https://cuit.columbia.edu/add-search-box
2015-02-05 19:28:51 thinkxl: oh, so you want to use that search box, well why don't you follow those steps? I don't see what is the problem
2015-02-05 19:29:31 SimoPiersi: in fact i think it is the right one
2015-02-05 19:29:44 SimoPiersi: would you do a search box in this way?
2015-02-05 19:30:31 thinkxl: I would add the google search box, but it depends
2015-02-05 19:30:50 SimoPiersi: on what?
2015-02-05 19:31:02 thinkxl: on the websites requirements
2015-02-05 19:31:07 thinkxl: and what is the main function
2015-02-05 19:31:12 thinkxl: https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/2630969?hl=en
2015-02-05 19:32:35 SimoPiersi: just seen the page
2015-02-05 19:32:57 SimoPiersi: i'll try with the first i've found
2015-02-05 19:33:09 SimoPiersi: if it is too difficult, i'll move to this one
2015-02-05 19:33:27 thinkxl: take a look on this one, I'm trying this for an app
2015-02-05 19:33:32 thinkxl: https://swiftype.com/
2015-02-05 19:33:45 thinkxl: is free for non-commercial projects
2015-02-05 19:38:15 SimoPiersi: you're the best man
2015-02-05 19:38:21 SimoPiersi: that is what i wanted to to
2015-02-05 19:38:27 SimoPiersi: do
2015-02-05 19:39:18 SimoPiersi: but in your opinion how could it be difficult from one to ten to create such a personalized search box on my own
2015-02-05 19:39:19 SimoPiersi: ?
2015-02-05 19:41:24 SimoPiersi: that site in unbelievably great
2015-02-05 19:41:29 SimoPiersi: is
2015-02-05 19:42:44 thinkxl: well... you want to scrap html and show results
2015-02-05 19:42:56 thinkxl: you will need back-end code to do that
2015-02-05 19:43:12 thinkxl: if you don't want to do a lot of requests on the client side
2015-02-05 19:43:23 thinkxl: but I would take the advice of "don't re-invent the wheel"
2015-02-05 19:43:25 thinkxl: in this case
2015-02-05 19:43:39 SimoPiersi: ok
2015-02-05 19:44:26 SimoPiersi: if i want to start a new chat with the same person how can i do
2015-02-05 19:44:27 SimoPiersi: ?
2015-02-05 19:44:42 SimoPiersi: in this chat
2015-02-05 19:44:45 SimoPiersi: i mean
2015-02-05 19:45:21 thinkxl: you talking here in the IRC? double-click the nickname
2015-02-05 19:45:42 SimoPiersi: ok
2015-02-05 19:46:50 SimoPiersi: then
2015-02-05 19:47:00 SimoPiersi: thanks for your help and time
2015-02-05 19:47:36 thinkxl: no problem
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2015-02-06 00:47:33 AAA_awright: Is there a Mediawiki dump of Web Platform Docs anywhere?
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2015-02-06 01:03:21 AAA_awright: Actually, managed to grab the pages I need from https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Export
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2015-02-06 01:39:26 renoirb: Hi AAA_awright. Somewhere non public :)
2015-02-06 01:40:08 renoirb: Uhm, if you want to talk with me about what you are trying to do, I’ll look with you how to make it happen
2015-02-06 01:40:24 renoirb: we had Max Polk who did an awesome job with JavaScript pages. Search for his name and notes in the mailing list
2015-02-06 01:40:25 AAA_awright: renoirb: I was making a clone of the HTML element pages on my local system for testing purposes, I mostly just needed all the templates, luckily Mediawiki lets you recursively export templates
2015-02-06 01:40:53 AAA_awright: Alright
2015-02-06 01:41:24 AAA_awright: I was noticing it's not that hard to set up a local instance of mediawiki with sqlite and PHP's built-in webserver
2015-02-06 02:02:11 renoirb: It is actually easy. I can give you a few steps
2015-02-06 02:02:37 renoirb: you can clone https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-vagrant.git
2015-02-06 02:02:50 renoirb: and it has everything together
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2015-02-06 02:18:07 renoirb: AAA_awright look at this gist https://gist.github.com/WebPlatformDocs/e91bbfdc81dd85c2401a
2015-02-06 02:21:17 renoirb: Or clone from this repo https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki-core/compare/wikimedia:wmf/1.25wmf15...1.25wmf15-wpd AAA_awright
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2015-02-08 12:04:54 the_tricky: hello there, guys
2015-02-08 12:05:17 the_tricky: i am still not sure whether to choose Angular or React
2015-02-08 12:05:55 the_tricky: i've heard that it's rather difficult to maintain Angular
2015-02-08 12:06:14 the_tricky: any suggestions?
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2015-02-13 02:52:29 AAA_awright: What are all of these pages under the "Meta" namespace? https://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=3020
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2015-02-13 14:55:35 the_tricky: hello there, guys
2015-02-13 14:56:29 the_tricky: could you tell me more about software engineering?
2015-02-13 14:56:29 AAA_awright: renoirb: Yo
2015-02-13 14:56:36 the_tricky: any good books?
2015-02-13 14:56:45 renoirb: Hi the_tricky, first time I get you while I’m there
2015-02-13 14:57:06 renoirb: Yo AAA_awright. I seen your question about the Meta: namespace in the wiki.
2015-02-13 14:57:16 the_tricky: renoirb: oh yeah, hi there
2015-02-13 14:57:23 AAA_awright: It should be pages about the wiki, but it has a bunch of HTML element pages
2015-02-13 14:57:52 renoirb: Its similar to the WPD: namespace, a non-indexed place
2015-02-13 14:58:12 renoirb: Meta: is a stash to put WIP pages and merge candidates
2015-02-13 14:58:40 renoirb: whereas WPD is for documenting our processes.
2015-02-13 14:58:47 the_tricky: so, if any ideas, please, i wouldn't mind
2015-02-13 14:59:17 renoirb: Originally Meta was for documenting/discussing about the site. Then after a few migration projects they repurposed it
2015-02-13 15:00:10 renoirb: the_tricky, I’m a self thaught web developer making websites since 1999.   I have no classical education, learned everything by doing and reading. I can help you about that.
2015-02-13 15:01:18 the_tricky: renoirb: if you don't mind a personal question, how old are you?
2015-02-13 15:01:23 renoirb: AAA_awright, you can take content from the Meta namespace if you want. What’s in Meta can be deleted and scavenged in the profit of what’s not in Meta.
2015-02-13 15:02:19 renoirb: 35 y.o. the_tricky. I started at 18, about 1998. But my first contract sites were not long after.  Full time working by making websites around 2001
2015-02-13 15:02:45 the_tricky: renoirb: well, that's kind of a lot of experience
2015-02-13 15:03:01 renoirb: I’ve seen stuff :)
2015-02-13 15:03:07 the_tricky: renoirb: and how do you think i should plan my backend development?
2015-02-13 15:03:31 renoirb: Think in small, non coupled, pieces
2015-02-13 15:04:05 the_tricky: renoirb: but don't you always have a kind of general view of the app?
2015-02-13 15:04:49 renoirb: If you want hands on, I recommend the Symfony 2 book. I’ve read it 3 times, its well written and gives great hands on tutorial for modern and strong modern PHP coding practices
2015-02-13 15:05:17 renoirb: the_tricky, think of events in a system.
2015-02-13 15:05:48 the_tricky: renoirb: it's pretty taught to imagine now
2015-02-13 15:05:58 renoirb: e.g. a bank account, in the core database schema it doesnt have a 'balance' column.
2015-02-13 15:06:13 the_tricky: renoirb: seems like it's an impossible amount of work
2015-02-13 15:06:15 renoirb: The balance is calculated by a sum of Transaction events
2015-02-13 15:06:33 renoirb: Programming is complex :)
2015-02-13 15:07:05 the_tricky: btw, could you, please, consult me more about Angular?
2015-02-13 15:07:27 the_tricky: i've heard it's rather hard to maintain
2015-02-13 15:07:43 the_tricky: isn't React better in that way?
2015-02-13 15:07:59 renoirb: Never used angular myself.  I like what it does (I read the source), but I also like what React does.
2015-02-13 15:08:12 renoirb: In fact I prefer what React does
2015-02-13 15:08:51 the_tricky: that's what i was going to say
2015-02-13 15:09:11 renoirb: Imagine you have a handler tha mimicks a web browser ("Virtual DOM"), you do stuff on it, then when you are ready, you ask it to give what’s needed to do on the current live view. BAM you have the diff to patch on the live DOM in one set of very precise changes.
2015-02-13 15:09:14 renoirb: that’s React
2015-02-13 15:09:47 renoirb: As for Angular, it tries to solve the binding issue
2015-02-13 15:09:47 the_tricky: thanks a lot for your help
2015-02-13 15:10:28 the_tricky: i think i'll have to contact you more often when coding the main backend
2015-02-13 15:10:42 the_tricky: if you don't mind, of course ^)
2015-02-13 15:10:44 the_tricky: :)
2015-02-13 15:13:21 renoirb: There’s something coming in ES6. Can’t recall the name the_tricky. But its basically what Angular is doing called Field data binding
2015-02-13 15:13:29 renoirb: Close to this http://codepen.io/Garrett-/pen/pfEHF
2015-02-13 15:14:25 renoirb: Take a look at this http://updates.html5rocks.com/2015/01/ES6-Template-Strings
2015-02-13 15:16:00 renoirb: And take a look at how this guy is doing it the_tricky  http://glenmaddern.com/articles/javascript-in-2015
2015-02-13 15:16:37 renoirb: My other recommendation the_tricky is to create very small projects with something you dont know
2015-02-13 15:16:44 renoirb: e.g. a status update system
2015-02-13 15:16:57 renoirb: Do it once with a stack, then read a new book
2015-02-13 15:17:04 renoirb: Do it again
2015-02-13 15:17:06 renoirb: loop through it
2015-02-13 15:17:08 renoirb: :)
2015-02-13 15:17:50 renoirb: It must be very small. Otherwise you end up doing http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/11/25/west-side-project-story/
2015-02-13 15:18:19 AAA_awright: renoirb: So if I manage to find a home for all the information out of a page in meta, it should be deleted?
2015-02-13 15:18:30 renoirb: Yup AAA_awright :)
2015-02-13 15:18:33 AAA_awright: kk
2015-02-13 15:18:38 renoirb: Sometimes it can just be merged
2015-02-13 15:19:10 AAA_awright: Or that
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2015-02-16 16:57:26 AAA_awright: I'm getting a 500 error when loading https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Preferences
2015-02-16 16:59:05 renoirb: hey AAA_awright, let me take a look
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2015-02-16 17:24:20 renoirb: let me see AAA_awright
2015-02-16 17:25:12 shaunm_: *.net *.split
2015-02-16 17:25:14 Ablu: *.net *.split
2015-02-16 17:25:17 AAA_awright: Or I think we settled on merging the pages, if that's different
2015-02-16 17:28:59 renoirb: I think you have enough rights to delete pages.
2015-02-16 17:29:05 renoirb: the problem is the use of templates
2015-02-16 17:29:18 renoirb: which pages did you try to delete AAA_awright?
2015-02-16 17:31:24 AAA_awright: renoirb: Starting with https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:HTML/Elements/a But I totally forget how to delete pages... I figure I should see a link for it somewhere
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2015-02-16 17:32:52 renoirb: You were right AAA_awright. You can’t delete pages https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights
2015-02-16 17:32:57 renoirb: you are member of bots and autoconfirmed
2015-02-16 17:33:09 renoirb: Let me see how to give access to you
2015-02-16 17:33:42 AAA_awright: Though, maybe it's a better idea to redirect the page?
2015-02-16 17:34:21 renoirb: If its in meta, worse case you can just remove everything from it
2015-02-16 17:34:47 renoirb: meta is a scratchpad to cherry-pick content into the main section
2015-02-16 17:35:10 AAA_awright: I'll add a redirect... The history might still be relevant, mostly wanting to clean up the Markup_Element category
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2015-02-16 18:17:58 AAA_awright: I find I'm needing to escape < characters in examples, even though the form says "code will automatically be escaped with any needed HTML entities"
2015-02-16 18:28:33 AAA_awright: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/address "This example uses the address element to make text appear in italic type." SERIOUSLY
2015-02-16 18:39:31 AAA_awright: renoirb: Should https://docs.webplatformstaging.org/ have an "Edit source" link under the edit menu? I don't see any
2015-02-16 18:40:18 renoirb: let me see
2015-02-16 18:41:01 renoirb: AAA_awright, we discussed in a meeting some time ago that "Edit source" shouldn’t be accessible as it might lead to break the SMW forms
2015-02-16 18:41:14 renoirb: That’s why in staging "Edit source" isn’t accessible.
2015-02-16 18:41:41 AAA_awright: View source probably should be, as should the ability to see the list of templates used
2015-02-16 18:42:05 AAA_awright: I'm finding it a nusance that I can't inspect the source of things I don't also have permission to edit, too
2015-02-16 18:42:22 AAA_awright: (Both wikis)
2015-02-16 18:48:28 renoirb: i agree.
2015-02-16 18:48:49 renoirb: But you were talking about "Edit source". Its a textarea with wiki syntax that anybody could save new content with.
2015-02-16 18:49:19 renoirb: In some cases we were losing semantic mediawiki data because of manipulations. This is why they (folks before me) installed Semantic MediaWiki forms
2015-02-16 18:49:38 renoirb: I’ll see to make sure that view source is possible, of course.
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2015-02-16 19:24:33 renoirb: AAA_awright, It just crossed my mind
2015-02-16 19:24:34 AAA_awright: I can push my HTML element bot through today, should I try first on webplatformstaging.org?
2015-02-16 19:24:45 renoirb: If you want to see the source of a page, you can always add to the address ?action=raw
2015-02-16 19:24:48 renoirb: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/border-radius?action=raw
2015-02-16 19:25:00 AAA_awright: Oooh, I knew about action=edit
2015-02-16 19:25:27 renoirb: action=info might be useful too
2015-02-16 19:25:41 renoirb: that one gives transcluded templates too
2015-02-16 19:25:53 AAA_awright: Cool
2015-02-16 19:30:35 AAA_awright: Here's an example of the content that was added: https://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=html/elements/data&action=edit
2015-02-16 19:33:17 AAA_awright: I was thinking the new, currently-undefined templates would cause problems (Markup_Element_Attribute, Markup_Element_Model, Markup_Element_Context, Markup_Element_Category)
2015-02-16 19:33:52 AAA_awright: Are any of those HTML specific?
2015-02-16 19:41:27 renoirb: sorry AAA_awright, went away. looking
2015-02-16 19:45:36 renoirb: AAA_awright as I recall they call it Markup because they would use the same for SVG, XML, HTML
2015-02-16 19:45:39 AAA_awright: Actually I should probably add references for HTML5.1 elements too
2015-02-16 19:46:00 AAA_awright: renoirb: Right, so I wonder if Markup_Element_Model is too HTML-specific
2015-02-16 19:46:11 renoirb: uhm
2015-02-16 19:46:51 AAA_awright: Not that it wouldn't be added, but maybe call it HTML_Element_Model instead
2015-02-16 19:47:22 AAA_awright: (or whatever, I'm not sure if MathML, SVG have similar concepts)
2015-02-16 19:47:33 renoirb: right.
2015-02-16 19:48:00 renoirb: what is the main area of your focus
2015-02-16 19:48:44 AAA_awright: I'll probably get around to SVG and MathML, and other stuff too... But HTML right now
2015-02-16 19:49:58 renoirb: ok. I can work with you on MW templates. I’ve spent some time on them
2015-02-16 19:50:17 renoirb: eliezerb is good at it too, we could invite him in
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2015-02-16 20:34:39 AAA_awright: I don't have my dev environment handy to test
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2015-02-18 20:08:22 renoirb: justinlund, see what I mean ? ^
2015-02-18 20:08:51 justinlund: yep
2015-02-18 20:09:02 justinlund: gives me something to go on
2015-02-18 20:13:01 renoirb: Sometimes I wonder if its not internal networking that has some latency somewhere
2015-02-18 20:13:33 renoirb: Because I never had database connection problem when its at 2 threads connected.
2015-02-18 20:14:36 renoirb: Sometimes its slow on my connection while i’m through SSH.
2015-02-18 20:15:26 renoirb: Could you check our tenant justinlund ?  Doing normal stuff through ssh is long at the moment
2015-02-18 20:15:50 justinlund: sure
2015-02-18 20:17:17 renoirb: thanks !
2015-02-18 20:20:24 renoirb: :/
2015-02-18 20:20:36 justinlund: what's your DB machine called?  is it db1-masterdb or db2 ?
2015-02-18 20:20:59 justinlund: assuming masterdb
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2015-02-18 20:27:45 justinlund: renoirb: we have a maintenance scheduled for tomorrow that we think will resolve this
2015-02-18 20:27:50 renoirb: ok
2015-02-18 20:28:11 justinlund: in short, we're seeing slowness between hypervisors due to a bug in the leaf switch OS
2015-02-18 20:30:29 renoirb: :(
2015-02-18 20:33:23 justinlund: seeing the same slowness w/ ssh on the salt box
2015-02-18 20:33:44 justinlund: talking to our team
2015-02-18 20:34:41 renoirb: Fact you should know justinlund. About everything in the network has direct private IP address configured automatically. So the connection problem isn’t caused by name resolution.
2015-02-18 20:42:37 justinlund: what machine(s) are communicating with the DB?
2015-02-18 20:43:05 justinlund: the salt master is running on a different hypervisor and subject to the issue we're expecting to resolve tomorrow
2015-02-18 20:43:19 justinlund: I want to make sure they all are in a similar situation
2015-02-18 20:48:00 renoirb: ok. Can you run `nova list` on the salt master justinlund ?
2015-02-18 20:49:48 renoirb: at this moment, the critical ones are: project, piwik, bots, blog.
2015-02-18 20:49:48 renoirb: db2 is configured as a hot backup to db1-masterdb
2015-02-18 20:51:26 renoirb: Its very slow and maddening. I have time to forget what I mean to do
2015-02-18 20:51:26 renoirb: Can we issue a "migrate" on my VMs?
2015-02-18 20:55:41 justinlund: not certain that will work
2015-02-18 20:56:49 renoirb: I don’t blame you. On the cluster we built from the hardware you guys borrowed us, we could get `nova migrate` working. But I never really dared using it
2015-02-18 21:20:16 renoirb: can we do something justinlund ? I cannot work.
2015-02-18 21:24:16 justinlund: I apologize renoirb, the team is still looking at options
2015-02-18 21:33:16 renoirb: ok justinlund thanks
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2015-02-19 19:44:20 AAA_awright: Somewhere, in the quest to make a syntax easier than HTML, Mediawiki made a syntax that's about 1000x more complex than HTML (+/- 2 orders of magnitude)
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2015-02-19 19:58:31 AAA_awright: I'm trying out a different style for defining Markup Element attributes, someone wanna comment with thoughts? https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:HTML/Elements/textarea
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2015-02-19 20:55:05 renoirb: Hey AAA_awright  its great. It can breathe
2015-02-19 20:55:17 AAA_awright: kk
2015-02-19 20:55:26 renoirb: Is this a prototype you are making to make a new content layout?
2015-02-19 20:55:47 AAA_awright: Lots of those "Meta" pages have some useful attribute lists that aren't on the main page
2015-02-19 20:56:19 AAA_awright: I don't have a single idea on how to integrate it with the templates/smw, though
2015-02-19 20:56:30 renoirb: Let’s revisit how we can include code too. We would also want to support SVG. So far its a pain to write &lt;a href="http://foo.bar/bas"&gt;link text&lt;a&gt;
2015-02-19 20:56:44 AAA_awright: Probably a hybrid: "This element defines an attribute" (smw) then define it in prose in a later section
2015-02-19 20:56:52 renoirb: yeah
2015-02-19 20:56:57 renoirb: we could migrate some of it
2015-02-19 20:56:57 AAA_awright: (which would be this)
2015-02-19 20:57:34 shepazu: hey, guys, what are we talking about?
2015-02-19 20:58:01 AAA_awright: shepazu: A good way to enumerate attributes on markup elements
2015-02-19 20:58:25 shepazu: AAA_awright, you mean in the mediawiki templates?
2015-02-19 20:58:56 renoirb: guys, I gotta go to the conference event.
2015-02-19 20:58:56 AAA_awright: shepazu: I'm going to import the list of valid attributes directly from the spec with a bot, define a new template property Attributes= in the Markup_Element template
2015-02-19 20:59:15 AAA_awright: smw-ize it a bit
2015-02-19 20:59:24 AAA_awright: But of course we still need prose
2015-02-19 20:59:53 shepazu: AAA_awright, interesting
2015-02-19 21:04:02 AAA_awright: renoirb: There's no styles defined for dt/dd elements except out of the default mediawiki stylesheet, so that black is... really black
2015-02-19 21:04:19 renoirb: lets change this
2015-02-19 21:04:46 renoirb: I have in mind a few things we could do to improve the wiki load time speed, let’s revisit some styling while we’re at it.
2015-02-19 21:05:03 AAA_awright: Now at https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/textarea
2015-02-19 21:05:16 renoirb: Our CSS is there AAA_awright < https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki/tree/master/skin
2015-02-19 21:05:29 AAA_awright: k, I can fork :)
2015-02-19 21:06:03 renoirb: In fact you can run a local mediawiki install and add this as a local extension. You’ll basically have WebPlatformDocs on a naked wiki
2015-02-19 21:06:51 renoirb: If you want the full setup with same extensions clone this version instead https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki-core/tree/1.25wmf15-wpd
2015-02-19 21:07:30 renoirb: and you should have our it installed, see https://github.com/webplatform/mediawiki-core/blob/1.25wmf15-wpd/.gitmodules#L508
2015-02-19 21:07:38 renoirb: packages will have to be renamed its confusing.
2015-02-19 21:08:11 renoirb: The branch 1.25wmf15-wpd is what’s at https://docs.webplatformstaging.org/wiki/ running from
2015-02-19 21:09:37 renoirb: Gotta go AAA_awright, ttyl
2015-02-19 21:12:07 AAA_awright: k
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2015-02-20 02:51:50 renoirb: AAA_awright what you saw here is something I warned our hosting provider.
2015-02-20 02:52:14 renoirb: They are working on their network layer and the bot doesnt get proper connectifvity in time
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2015-02-20 15:04:39 Garbee: Stanimir: I'm not exactly sure what the "official official" status is right now. We did drop the alpha note in the docs since it was getting pretty old.
2015-02-20 15:05:02 Garbee: I'd think it more on a beta point at the moment since a lot of the guide/tutorial info still needs updating/tweaking.
2015-02-20 15:05:11 Garbee: But a good chunk of the reference material should be good to use.
2015-02-20 15:05:46 Garbee: More specifically then some global status, each page has its own readiness state which you can see on the left hand side of the page.
2015-02-20 15:06:11 Garbee: That will tell you if a specific piece of content you are looking at has been looked over to make sure it is concise and accurate.
2015-02-20 15:06:23 Stanimir: Alright, thanks!
2015-02-20 15:06:38 Garbee: Sorry about not really having a straight answer... been a while.
2015-02-20 15:23:27 renoirb: Hi Stanimir. The site has readiness markers to outline which parts are more ready for consumption than others.  We do still need contributions because a of the nateure of the site itself
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2015-02-23 00:39:05 AAA_awright: The "For technical reasons" thing is confusing, I just figured out what it was referring to
2015-02-23 00:39:06 AAA_awright: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/s
2015-02-23 00:39:09 AAA_awright: (for example)
2015-02-23 00:39:42 AAA_awright: The page is specifying a custom title, appending " - strikethrough"
2015-02-23 00:39:53 AAA_awright: And that's why the warning is getting triggered
2015-02-23 00:53:07 Garbee: Why don't we just make the title "s" and mention what it actually means elsewhere?
2015-02-23 00:59:38 AAA_awright: Garbee: It's actually used by SMW when compiling lists of elements... dunno if that's good or bad
2015-02-23 00:59:50 AAA_awright: Also, down to 100 Meta:HTML/Elements/ pages
2015-02-23 01:00:01 Garbee: "s" is the technical element name.
2015-02-23 01:00:16 AAA_awright: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements uses the full title, for instance
2015-02-23 01:00:33 Garbee: Yea, I know that.
2015-02-23 01:00:38 AAA_awright: Also it might be useful for h1-h6
2015-02-23 01:00:39 Garbee: Still doesn't make much sense.
2015-02-23 01:00:58 AAA_awright: It might be useful in some places
2015-02-23 01:01:31 AAA_awright: I mean, the generic ability to annotate a title in some fashion: p (paragraph)
2015-02-23 01:03:20 Garbee: Yea, p is done right lol.
2015-02-23 01:03:20 Garbee: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
2015-02-23 01:03:26 Garbee: Not sure why s is treated differently.
2015-02-23 01:08:26 AAA_awright: There's quite a few of them
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2015-02-23 19:20:44 AAA_awright: What's the relationship between http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-html-manifest and http://www.w3.org/TR/appmanifest/ ? It seems like the former (the attribute) should be a link relation
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2015-02-23 23:30:40 AAA_awright: This page should be deleted: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/markuptest
2015-02-23 23:50:21 renoirb: AAA_awright, done
2015-02-23 23:50:23 AAA_awright: Getting a lot of 503s
2015-02-23 23:50:29 AAA_awright: heh
2015-02-23 23:50:34 renoirb: oh, i’ll take a look AAA_awright
2015-02-23 23:55:31 AAA_awright: Just 80 Meta:HTML/Elements pages left
2015-02-23 23:58:35 renoirb: I see that you used docs.webplatformstaging.org in the recent changes. Were they script tests?
2015-02-23 23:58:38 renoirb: AAA_awright ?
2015-02-23 23:59:52 AAA_awright: iirc I actually did docs.webplatformstaging.org after, to make sure the script would still work on the next software update
2015-02-24 00:01:33 renoirb: great, just checking!
2015-02-24 00:02:56 AAA_awright: Perhaps next I'll update the W3C Rec Status icon (somehow <img/> is at "Candidate Recommendation" for instance)
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2015-02-24 00:12:04 renoirb: Uhm maybe it wasn’t a good idea to give your user as a member of the 'bots' group
2015-02-24 00:13:21 AAA_awright: It seems like that should be the case: This is the only reliable factor. This indicates most accurately that the edit was intended as bot edit (and that the user could do so because they had the bot user right when the edit was made).
2015-02-24 00:13:31 AAA_awright: From http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Bots#The_.22bot.22_flag
2015-02-24 00:13:53 renoirb: right.
2015-02-24 00:15:38 AAA_awright: And https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Preferences is still coming up 500
2015-02-24 00:15:55 AAA_awright: Like I wonder if it's a flag in my preferences that's getting set for even normal edits
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2015-02-24 01:10:04 renoirb: ok AAA_awright, i’ll remove the bots flag on your user.
2015-02-24 01:10:12 renoirb: Give me a username  you’ll use for your bot
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2015-02-24 22:16:33 AAA_awright: There's probably 10 or so that can't be merged until other work with the Markup_Element template is finished, so I'll call this effort halfway done
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2015-02-24 23:22:58 renoirb: Good work AAA_awright !!
2015-02-24 23:23:31 AAA_awright: :)
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2015-02-25 20:48:05 Garbee: shepazu: You may be interested in this: http://maxwellito.github.io/vivus/
2015-02-25 20:48:11 Garbee: If you haven't seen it already.
2015-02-25 20:48:47 shepazu: Garbee, hey, interesting, someone else has something very similar
2015-02-25 20:49:07 Garbee: I've seen stuff like this before. Just never this smooth or with an API this simple.
2015-02-25 20:49:23 Garbee: But, I noticed it was an SVG thing, so figured I'd share.
2015-02-25 20:49:35 shepazu: cool, thanks!
2015-02-25 20:49:46 Garbee: How have you been?
2015-02-25 20:49:49 Garbee: Long time to talk.
2015-02-25 20:50:38 shepazu: Garbee, busy busy, but good
2015-02-25 20:50:42 shepazu: you?
2015-02-25 20:51:07 Garbee: Finally got the new store online after some major kinks that set things back about 3 months total.
2015-02-25 20:51:09 Garbee: :D
2015-02-25 20:51:44 Garbee: And got more involved with Chromium stuff over the past year. So that has kept me busy in my spare time.
2015-02-25 20:52:34 Garbee: I've filtered my IRC rooms and really focused who I deal with online thought. *Major* mental and emotional improvements over the past year from that.
2015-02-25 20:53:26 Garbee: So overall, doing much better then I've ever been.
2015-02-25 20:54:22 Garbee: I need to split off some time to work on figuring out a good workflow for helping with the docs here some.
2015-02-25 20:54:50 Garbee: Did a few articles a couple months ago. Still feels like a huge drain dealing with the mediawiki setup.
2015-02-25 21:02:11 shepazu: Garbee, I feel you. I hate the mediawiki handcuffs :(
2015-02-25 21:02:19 shepazu: slowly working on an alternative
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2015-02-25 21:07:55 Garbee: We all do. But it was the best to get going.
2015-02-25 21:08:08 Garbee: I've come to terms with that.
2015-02-25 21:09:01 shepazu: I haven't :)
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2015-02-26 00:22:19 renoirb: AAA_awright yt?
2015-02-26 00:22:26 AAA_awright: renoirb: yes
2015-02-26 00:22:43 renoirb: can you get to the profile page and see if you have the same problem you had yesterday?
2015-02-26 00:24:01 AAA_awright: Seems to work now
2015-02-26 00:24:10 renoirb: ok, good to know.
2015-02-26 00:24:13 renoirb: thanks AAA_awright
2015-02-26 00:28:46 AAA_awright: Down to 60 Meta:HTML pages
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2015-02-26 01:23:33 AAA_awright: 50!
2015-02-26 02:06:24 AAA_awright: Down to 40, you can see ALL the HTML elements on https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Markup_Elements now
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2015-02-26 03:10:41 renoirb: yay!
2015-02-26 03:10:49 renoirb: great job AAA_awright !
2015-02-26 03:11:03 renoirb: did you see a lot of errors?
2015-02-26 03:12:03 AAA_awright: I probably created a dozen examples, removed a lot of MSDN DOM stuff, markup was generally pretty good
2015-02-26 03:12:16 renoirb: server response?
2015-02-26 03:12:24 AAA_awright: Oh, no issues
2015-02-26 03:12:26 renoirb: i dont see much complaining
2015-02-26 03:12:29 renoirb: on the server logs
2015-02-26 03:13:14 renoirb: i had my nose in them all day. fixed a few latent issues related to type checking error bugs in a class of an extension we were using and also a PHP module was not loaded correctly
2015-02-26 03:14:04 renoirb: I see many requests from this user agent though: USER-AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; heritrix/3.2.0 +http://webarchiveqr.loc.gov/about/loc-notification-webmasters.html)
2015-02-26 03:19:04 AAA_awright: I don't think I've been able to use the "Preview" button on the editform editor ever
2015-02-26 03:19:53 renoirb: yeah, its an issue I had in mind AAA_awright. Did you try in the new version?
2015-02-26 03:20:02 renoirb: docs.webplatformstaging.org should have it fixed
2015-02-26 03:20:26 AAA_awright: Not yet. I just tried the search, auto-complete has been giving me a hard time too; docs.webplatformstaging.org is throwing lots of errors
2015-02-26 03:21:04 renoirb: You prefer the behavior of the current version on docs.webplatform.org?
2015-02-26 03:21:33 renoirb: The colors are nice but you cant click on the items because the extensions expects jQuery UI and its not loaded.
2015-02-26 03:21:59 renoirb: so on staging i removed the jquery ui requirement. But I see that I need to make sure that the search query is working.
2015-02-26 03:22:11 renoirb: ... its in my todo.
2015-02-26 03:39:46 AAA_awright: I haven't been able to compare, but I just want something that works well :)
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2015-02-27 20:21:08 renoirb: AAA_awright, I got the bug you talked about this week on the search box
2015-02-27 20:21:29 AAA_awright: That you can't navigate to a page from it?
2015-02-27 20:21:30 renoirb: The update should be visible in staging
2015-02-27 20:21:48 renoirb: Maybe.
2015-02-27 20:22:25 renoirb: The one I found, if that’s the same you were talking about, is that if you type something that isnt in code complete and hit enter, it goes to a strange locationç with <wgScript> in the address bar.
2015-02-27 20:23:22 AAA_awright: Hmm I think I recall seeing that in staging
2015-02-27 20:31:04 renoirb: is that the bug you were talking about AAA_awright ?
2015-02-27 20:31:53 AAA_awright: I don't think I was talking about a specific bug, but the big one was I type something in, and either nothing shows up, or something shows up but I can't hit Enter to go to that page, or even click on it
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2015-02-27 23:10:23 AAA_awright: Is anything special necessary to merge pages? https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/html5_form_features and https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/HTML5_form_additions
2015-02-27 23:12:22 AAA_awright: Looks like no
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2015-02-28 00:02:23 AAA_awright: renoirb: I diffed both side-by-side and determined the former one had everything from the latter, so merged in the latter
2015-02-28 00:03:14 renoirb: ok, lets just delete what’s inuseful, and flag it for deletion
2015-02-28 00:03:33 renoirb: I imagine the better url is under tutorials and not at the top level
2015-02-28 00:04:20 AAA_awright: I did a merge according to Wikipedia's rules for merging articles (mostly), so it's a redirect now
2015-02-28 00:05:20 renoirb: ok
2015-02-28 00:05:24 renoirb: thx
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2015-03-05 19:58:49 Garbee: It was. Pretty hard to do it selectively.
2015-03-05 19:59:22 Garbee: Something we need to figure out with new software in time. Not too much of a way around it with mediawiki.
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2015-03-12 21:18:21 Garbee: AAA_awright: Just dump CSS-background_images
2015-03-12 21:18:43 Garbee: using_css_background_images has had work done to it. Which means the other one is just stale left-overs.
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2015-03-12 23:16:53 AAA_awright: Garbee: K thanks
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2015-03-12 23:17:35 Garbee: AAA_awright: Yea, whenever you want to merge pages. Quick thing to save time is history compare.
2015-03-12 23:17:44 Garbee: Just look at each pages history and see if either has had work done.
2015-03-12 23:18:14 Garbee: If one has had work done compared to the other, just dump the one with no work.
2015-03-12 23:18:15 AAA_awright: Mhm
2015-03-12 23:18:35 Garbee: If both have had work done, then I'd chose the one with the least amount of stuff to merge and then merge that one into the other.
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2015-03-19 23:40:18 senga: Help! I messed up big. Who can roll back changes?
2015-03-19 23:42:02 senga: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/selectors  needs rolling back. I meant to add a page for :in-range but somehow overwrote the top-level page instead.
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2015-03-20 00:05:20 renoirb: Hi senga
2015-03-20 00:05:22 renoirb: let me see
2015-03-20 00:06:43 renoirb: oh senga, I see, you wanted to create a document for :in-range (never heard of it, you got my curiosity)
2015-03-20 00:06:48 renoirb: and you edited selectors :)
2015-03-20 00:06:57 senga: yeah. so embarassed!
2015-03-20 00:07:04 renoirb: no worries! :)
2015-03-20 00:07:12 renoirb: Let me show you how to start a page
2015-03-20 00:07:20 renoirb: and i’ll revert that whoopsie
2015-03-20 00:07:40 senga: also, i wanted to upload a graphic but it said i don't have permissions. so i just typed in syntax and example.
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2015-03-20 00:09:59 renoirb: its at https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:New_Page sanga
2015-03-20 00:10:12 senga: thank you! i'll bookmark that
2015-03-20 00:18:34 renoirb: I just reworked the page https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/selectors/pseudo-classes senga
2015-03-20 00:18:43 renoirb: do you see the selector you were searching for there?
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2015-03-20 00:21:49 senga: no, but is there a delay?
2015-03-20 00:24:01 renoirb: no senga
2015-03-20 00:24:06 renoirb: i rolled it back
2015-03-20 00:24:13 renoirb: i’m caught in reworking article
2015-03-20 00:24:17 senga: ok
2015-03-20 00:24:18 renoirb: ok, let me create the page you want
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2015-03-27 01:24:08 AAA_awright: renoirb: I'm having trouble loading on Chrome, curl seems to resolve correctly after two redirects
2015-03-27 01:24:30 AAA_awright: renoirb: Curl however is reporting a TLS certificate misconfiguration, I suspect the TLS intermediate certificates are not being sent out
2015-03-27 01:24:57 AAA_awright: Chrome wouldn't report that because it has most of the intermediate certs builtin
2015-03-27 01:26:02 renoirb: OK AAA_awright, on what URL are you making tests? It’ll help me see where something might be wrong
2015-03-27 01:26:27 AAA_awright: As above, https://docs.webplatform.org/
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2015-03-31 22:15:40 AAA_awright: https://docs.webplatform.org/ appears to be returning Location: https://docs.webplatform.org/
2015-03-31 22:28:45 Garbee: AAA_awright: Still a problem?
2015-03-31 22:28:49 Garbee: I'm not seeing any issues.
2015-03-31 22:28:59 AAA_awright: Garbee: I'm seeing it from two browsers :|
2015-03-31 22:29:04 AAA_awright: and curl -v
2015-03-31 22:29:29 AAA_awright: Check the 'Location' header of said page
2015-03-31 22:29:39 Garbee: oh,header. Still redirecting fine?
2015-03-31 22:29:49 AAA_awright: It's redirecting to itself, isn't it?
2015-03-31 22:30:14 Garbee: No.
2015-03-31 22:30:17 Garbee: To /wiki
2015-03-31 22:30:32 Garbee: Which then does a redirect to /wiki/main_page
2015-03-31 22:30:59 AAA_awright: Garbee: http://pastebin.com/6WjFucG3
2015-03-31 22:31:59 Garbee: Maybe I'm hitting a different host of the site...
2015-03-31 22:32:28 AAA_awright: One of my systems is hitting the staging server, or was, but not this one
2015-03-31 22:32:42 Garbee: http://i.imgur.com/nDLrnSf.png
2015-03-31 22:32:57 AAA_awright: Interesting
2015-03-31 22:32:57 Garbee: You can also see the wiki/ request in the left before the Main_Page request.
2015-03-31 22:33:03 Garbee: FF showing fine here as well.
2015-03-31 22:33:22 AAA_awright: I'm showing a different IP
2015-03-31 22:33:33 AAA_awright: third octet
2015-03-31 22:33:35 Garbee: That could be it then. Different server having a bad config.
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2015-04-01 14:00:37 renoirb: AAA_awright, tell me, what are you trying to do. The only directories under docs.webplatform.org  is [compat, test, wiki]   and nothing at the root? What are you trying to get to?
2015-04-01 14:01:47 renoirb: I should make sure that instead to redirect in three hops, it goes in less
2015-04-01 14:02:08 renoirb: e.g.  docs.webplatform.org ->>>  https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
2015-04-01 14:02:27 renoirb: docs.webplatform.org/test  ->>> https://docs.webplatform.org/test/Main_Page
2015-04-01 14:03:09 renoirb: Unless there’s something I left out that you are using. I would know.
2015-04-01 14:03:15 renoirb: That’s why I´m surprised.
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2015-04-01 16:52:36 Garbee: renoirb: They were saying that they were hitting a redirect loop when going to docs.webplatform.org
2015-04-01 16:52:46 Garbee: Since it was redirecting back to itself instead of onward to /wiki
2015-04-01 16:53:20 Garbee: They were seeing a different IP hit then I was (since it was working for me.) So could have been a specific server got out of wack for a bit.
2015-04-01 16:54:26 renoirb: I’m currently making maintenance on notes.webplatform.org. It wont be long.
2015-04-01 17:17:32 renoirb: maintenance over.
2015-04-01 17:38:07 AAA_awright: renoirb: I'm just trying to load the site!
2015-04-01 17:38:26 renoirb: ok, I’ll take a look
2015-04-01 17:38:51 AAA_awright: Browser seems to go to / first, which makes sense sort of?
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2015-04-01 20:16:04 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: sup?
2015-04-01 20:24:21 shepazu: hey, Ryan_Lane, how's it going?
2015-04-01 20:24:31 shepazu: I hear you're at Square now?
2015-04-01 20:29:17 renoirb: Hey Ryan_Lane, eating, sorry.
2015-04-01 20:29:36 renoirb: I wanted to discuss about your opinion about CoreOS/Docker.
2015-04-01 20:30:00 renoirb: I thought to use CoreOS+Deis as a Docker runner for web apps.
2015-04-01 20:30:29 renoirb had been playing with Docker and how to use and I want to use your lessons learned.
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2015-04-01 20:54:10 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: I'm at Lyft :)
2015-04-01 20:54:16 Ryan_Lane: shepazu: it's going well, though
2015-04-01 20:54:23 Ryan_Lane: doing lots of fun stuff
2015-04-01 20:54:24 shepazu: oh, my bad
2015-04-01 20:54:31 shepazu: cool, glad to hear it
2015-04-01 20:54:55 Ryan_Lane: hows things going at webplatform?
2015-04-01 20:55:22 shepazu: well, renoir's doing a good job keeping the software up and helping expand that
2015-04-01 20:55:41 shepazu: I think we're kind of stalled with participation
2015-04-01 20:55:49 shepazu: not sure how to pull out of that
2015-04-01 20:56:18 shepazu: crowdsourcing and quality are hard
2015-04-01 20:57:13 shepazu: we're doing some interesting things around annotation, which will be launched soon
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2015-04-01 20:58:06 shepazu: and (no offense), I think MediaWiki was a challenging platform to develop our docs on (not that there's anything obviously better)
2015-04-01 21:03:39 Ryan_Lane: yeah. that's true
2015-04-01 21:03:49 Ryan_Lane: it takes a lot of effort to make mediawiki work well for a community
2015-04-01 21:04:01 Ryan_Lane: wikipedia has the same issue with crowdsourcing and quality
2015-04-01 21:04:16 Ryan_Lane: there's a tradeoff there. I think this is why wikipedia is on a decline
2015-04-01 21:04:30 Ryan_Lane: wikipedia cares too much about quality, so they reject a lot of contributions
2015-04-01 21:05:09 Ryan_Lane: to really foster growth it's necessary to not care as much about quality, but find ways to take lower quality contributions and slowly turn them into higher quality content
2015-04-01 21:06:18 Ryan_Lane: webplatform is also really highly structured, which is both good and bad :)
2015-04-01 21:06:48 Ryan_Lane: it's definitely a technical challenge, because MW is made to be relatively unstructured
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2015-04-01 22:39:38 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: I'm not a fan of coreos
2015-04-01 22:39:46 Ryan_Lane: it's basically impossible to monitor
2015-04-01 22:39:59 Ryan_Lane: you can't config manage the coreos boxes themselves, since you can only use bash/go
2015-04-01 22:40:12 renoirb: ok Ryan_Lane got it
2015-04-01 22:40:22 Ryan_Lane: I also found it to be pretty unstable
2015-04-01 22:40:27 renoirb: But if CoreOS is only responsible to run Docker
2015-04-01 22:40:28 renoirb: ?
2015-04-01 22:40:30 Ryan_Lane: I do like docker, but it's also pretty difficult overall
2015-04-01 22:40:37 Ryan_Lane: you still need to manage the coreos nodes themselves
2015-04-01 22:40:41 renoirb: Have you heard/tried Deis.io Ryan_Lane ?
2015-04-01 22:40:51 Ryan_Lane: you need to know if they're running out of disk space, their CPU and memory load, etc
2015-04-01 22:41:12 Ryan_Lane: nope. haven't seen it
2015-04-01 22:41:20 Ryan_Lane: I like ubuntu + docker for docker
2015-04-01 22:41:37 Ryan_Lane: and I like salt with docker run + commit to generate docker images
2015-04-01 22:41:42 Ryan_Lane: which means no need for dockerfiles
2015-04-01 22:42:13 Ryan_Lane: config management via bash is lame, which is what dockerfiles force you into
2015-04-01 22:54:08 renoirb: oh, i can do that
2015-04-01 22:54:10 renoirb: brb Ryan_Lane
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2015-04-01 23:36:42 renoirb: I get your feeling Ryan_Lane and how Dockerfiles are.
2015-04-01 23:38:01 renoirb: But how about using Dockerfiles exclusively for web apps Ryan_Lane. It looks like a neat way to distribute  a package.
2015-04-01 23:39:29 renoirb: Instead of making a web app to be installed through Makefile, and to run [composer, npm, bower, bundle, pip, easy_install]. A Dockerfile would handle it and once you are happy, you commit that Docker container.
2015-04-01 23:40:10 renoirb: Then, you can push to the Docker registry the containers, or host your own Docker registry < https://github.com/docker/docker-registry
2015-04-01 23:40:53 renoirb: Feels les clumsy than making a compressed file with all dependencies without minimal runtime dependencies
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2015-04-01 23:54:04 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: you still need to run all those things, except they happen in a bash during the build phase
2015-04-01 23:54:19 renoirb: indeed Ryan_Lane.
2015-04-01 23:54:26 Ryan_Lane: you can do a docker run of salt, then commit the result
2015-04-01 23:54:30 Ryan_Lane: and it's the same thing :)
2015-04-01 23:54:37 renoirb: oh!
2015-04-01 23:54:57 renoirb: But how do you make a separation of a salt run inside docker?
2015-04-01 23:55:01 Ryan_Lane: (we're doing that at Lyft now, with great success, to manage 50 services)
2015-04-01 23:55:15 Ryan_Lane: you only run salt to generate the image
2015-04-01 23:55:26 Ryan_Lane: then when you start the container, you run a command
2015-04-01 23:55:45 Ryan_Lane: it doesn't have to be the same command that was run when you generate the image
2015-04-01 23:56:18 Ryan_Lane: you could also have salt volume mounted into the container for that run, so that you don't have to install it every time
2015-04-01 23:56:33 Ryan_Lane: you'd still need python and other dependencies you need for the salt run
2015-04-01 23:56:54 Ryan_Lane: so your image will probably be 100MB or so larger, but I think it's worth it
2015-04-01 23:57:16 Ryan_Lane: the biggest benefit is that you have something that works in or out of docker
2015-04-01 23:58:40 Ryan_Lane: (or course, if you're making a python container, it's not any larger at all :) )
2015-04-02 00:02:10 renoirb: uhm, that’s interesting.
2015-04-02 00:02:27 renoirb: You have a thoughtful blog post describing that Ryan_Lane ?
2015-04-02 00:02:53 renoirb: I enjoyed your previous posts and I cannot find anything meaningful w/ both Salt and Docker
2015-04-02 00:54:30 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: I've been hesitant to blog about it because it's mostly a coworker's work
2015-04-02 00:54:37 renoirb: oh, right :)
2015-04-02 00:54:46 Ryan_Lane: we really need a lyft technical blog
2015-04-02 00:54:49 renoirb: If that coworker happens to post, tell me
2015-04-02 00:54:55 Ryan_Lane: because it's a really cool way to use docker
2015-04-02 00:55:02 Ryan_Lane: will do
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2015-04-02 01:02:51 renoirb: I want to weigh the difference between using salt to build Docker containers for web apps
2015-04-02 01:03:31 renoirb: But the way Deis works looks promising. You only need to have a Dockerfile in a web app repo and it handles deployment and load balancing for you so you only need to expose a proxy_pass from the public.
2015-04-02 01:03:47 Ryan_Lane: yep. it's a PaaS
2015-04-02 01:03:57 Ryan_Lane: heroku is really easy to use too ;)
2015-04-02 01:04:07 Ryan_Lane: but it also means you get no control over the infrastructure
2015-04-02 01:04:20 Ryan_Lane: so, for instance, can't setup your own redis cluster or memcache cluster
2015-04-02 01:05:05 Ryan_Lane: for simple web apps it's likely fine, though
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2015-04-02 01:24:59 Ryan_Lane: whoops :)
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2015-04-07 00:59:36 renoirb_: It should be fixed AAA_awright
2015-04-07 00:59:51 AAA_awright: renoirb_: Seems to work
2015-04-07 01:21:10 AAA_awright: renoirb_: 199.27.79.213 seems to be affected too?
2015-04-07 01:21:30 AAA_awright: RNG not looking kindly on me today
2015-04-07 01:21:32 renoirb_: what’s the URL you are tying to get AAA_awright ?
2015-04-07 01:21:42 renoirb_: 199 is fastly
2015-04-07 01:21:44 AAA_awright: Same one, https://docs.webplatform.org/
2015-04-07 01:21:57 renoirb_: in fact docs.webplatform.org has CNAME to fastly.
2015-04-07 01:21:58 AAA_awright: I'm seeing < Location: https://docs.webplatform.org/
2015-04-07 01:22:05 renoirb_: I´ll purge the cache and lets see.
2015-04-07 01:23:02 AAA_awright: That looks better
2015-04-07 01:23:30 renoirb_: some rewrites broke when I enabled SSL accross the board.
2015-04-07 01:34:33 renoirb_: It should be OK AAA_awright, oddly enough I didn’t cover your case yet. But now it is.
2015-04-07 01:34:53 AAA_awright: Hitting up / should be a *pretty common* one
2015-04-07 01:34:58 renoirb_: yup!
2015-04-07 01:35:45 AAA_awright: Hmm, 199.27.79.213 just stopped working agin
2015-04-07 01:36:54 renoirb_: just that I have intricacies such as page purge, which patterns MUST redirect to the SSL version, authentication /.well-known/$providerName rewrites, SSL detection to rework, etc.
2015-04-07 01:37:24 renoirb_: let me purge again since I didnt repurge fastly since the last apache config push
2015-04-07 01:37:29 renoirb_: (two minutes ago)
2015-04-07 01:38:31 AAA_awright: I also noticed the TLS intermediate cert stuff is working
2015-04-07 01:39:12 renoirb_: yeah, I need to make sure TLS is consistent too.
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2015-04-07 02:21:58 tripu: hi renoirb_ :)
2015-04-07 02:23:05 renoirb_: Its been a while we didnt talk
2015-04-07 02:23:10 tripu: yes, renoirb_
2015-04-07 02:23:23 tripu: I'm not hanging around much here lately :/
2015-04-07 02:23:47 renoirb_: Yeah, I understand. Busy, busy, busy :)
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2015-04-07 02:28:40 tripu: I haven't renoirb_...
2015-04-07 02:29:08 tripu: I have to catch up
2015-04-07 02:29:18 renoirb_: I’ve been reading a post or two about how to make server documentation also useful to describe tests
2015-04-07 02:31:56 renoirb_: Its not complete at all, but I started something here https://github.com/webplatform/ops-test-services tripu
2015-04-07 02:32:36 renoirb_: basically i’ll have a yaml file that’ll tell if I make an HTTP request to a given adress, with given headers, what should I expect.
2015-04-07 03:44:42 tripu: renoirb_, that looks cool
2015-04-07 03:44:53 renoirb_: :) tripu
2015-04-07 03:44:57 tripu: Reminds me a bit of the test suite we have for W3C systems
2015-04-07 03:47:03 renoirb_: tripu, this is a post @@ I got from a mailing list, it inspired me to try serverspec http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2014-serverspec-test-infrastructure.html
2015-04-07 03:47:46 renoirb_: and http://riltsken.github.io/devops/infrastructure/monitoring/2014/04/19/making-runbooks-more-useful-by-exposing-them-through-monitoring.html
2015-04-07 03:51:58 renoirb_: tripu, is W3C systems test suite based on Python?
2015-04-07 03:52:34 renoirb_: Instead of using Ruby, I’d rather use Python and the same toolset as W3C system team uses
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2015-04-07 15:16:46 blerm: Firefox says that https://docs.webplatform.org/ isn't redirecting properly.
2015-04-07 15:18:27 blerm: Hm, seems to be fixed now.
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2015-04-07 17:47:35 AAA_awright: 199.27.79.213 sending a redirect loop again
2015-04-07 17:47:57 AAA_awright: Wait, what?
2015-04-07 17:50:10 renoirb_: ?
2015-04-07 17:50:25 renoirb_: AAA_awright, I’m about to reload the cache again
2015-04-07 17:50:31 renoirb_: http://status.webplatform.org/post/115771264225
2015-04-07 17:50:43 AAA_awright: k
2015-04-07 17:50:47 renoirb_: its intermittent when you get to docs.webplatform.org
2015-04-07 17:50:52 AAA_awright: mhm
2015-04-07 17:54:56 renoirb_: reloaded
2015-04-07 17:55:04 renoirb_: how is it now AAA_awright. This time its at Varnish level.
2015-04-07 17:57:14 AAA_awright: Looks good
2015-04-07 17:59:26 renoirb_: AAA_awright, hopefully it’ll nail the problem
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2015-04-12 20:20:47 AAA_awright: renoirb: 'curl -v' gets stuck on "*   Trying 208.113.157.138..."
2015-04-12 20:21:05 AAA_awright: That IP isn't responsive to pints
2015-04-12 20:21:06 AAA_awright: *pings
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2015-04-16 12:52:28 kasper_: I'm trying to add html/css documentation support for dartpad: https://dartpad.dartlang.org/
2015-04-16 12:52:38 kasper_: some jsfiddle like app for dart programming
2015-04-16 12:53:30 kasper_: I was wondering if I could use webplatform for this.
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2015-04-18 13:19:06 Garbee: What do ya'll think of this change?  https://gist.github.com/Garbee/a2c8fefcd8d45ecfe3fd
2015-04-18 13:19:20 Garbee: (I already updated the menu page with the change if you want to see it in effect.)
2015-04-18 13:19:25 Garbee: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/menu
2015-04-18 13:19:49 Garbee: This structure feels better. Plus wording overall is less keyword stuffy and more direct.
2015-04-18 14:44:09 drej: you can nest LI directly in MENU
2015-04-18 14:44:10 drej: TIL!
2015-04-18 15:19:19 Garbee: yup.
2015-04-18 15:19:23 Garbee: That's possible.
2015-04-18 15:19:27 Garbee: I don't like it.
2015-04-18 15:19:29 Garbee: But...
2015-04-18 15:19:32 Garbee: BC.
2015-04-18 15:55:33 Garbee: drej: How have you been?
2015-04-18 15:55:38 Garbee: Long time no see.
2015-04-18 16:04:39 drej: good man, got a new job so i've been super slammed over the last few days
2015-04-18 16:04:42 drej: and mostly hanging out in ##frontend
2015-04-18 16:04:48 drej: s/days/months
2015-04-18 16:10:53 Garbee: haha, time moving that fast?
2015-04-18 16:10:57 Garbee: Units start shrinking.
2015-04-18 16:21:38 drej: yeah, getting old too, so that happens :)
2015-04-18 16:30:17 Garbee: hehe, I've never gotten time straight.
2015-04-18 16:30:23 Garbee: Always have something off.
2015-04-18 18:45:32 AAA_awright: Garbee: It's not loading for me :( what's the major changes?
2015-04-18 18:46:13 Garbee: AAA_awright: Attributes from plain text section to a <ul>. Then content tweaking so it doesn't sound awful (and keyword stuffy.)
2015-04-18 18:46:39 Garbee: i.e. Two sentences right after each other said "The menu element...". Second one changed to just "It..."
2015-04-18 18:46:58 Garbee: Plus some passive voice removal.
2015-04-18 18:47:03 AAA_awright: renoirb: 208.113.157.138 isn't responsive for me
2015-04-18 18:47:10 AAA_awright: resolving docs.webplatorm.org
2015-04-18 18:47:24 Garbee: You can check the gist I linked to for the before/after text content.
2015-04-18 18:47:32 Garbee: https://gist.github.com/Garbee/a2c8fefcd8d45ecfe3fd
2015-04-18 18:47:45 Garbee: That should give you a good enough idea of the changes.
2015-04-18 18:47:59 Garbee: (Since that was all I had time to touch this morning.) You just don't see the actual rendering.
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2015-04-18 22:17:22 renoirb: A friend talked to me about Consul.io https://consul.io/ Thiss looks amazing!
2015-04-18 22:18:01 renoirb: I’d like your feeling about it. I dont have service discovery yet, but I think that consul would be a winner
2015-04-18 22:20:01 renoirb: I wonder if we can do delegation with gdnsd Ryan_Lane
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2015-04-19 12:31:48 JohnMcLear: People idle on IRC a lot less than they used to...
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2015-04-19 16:33:29 metasansana: Hi all
2015-04-19 17:54:53 renoirb: yeah, stopping those WPW made our community interact much less.
2015-04-19 17:55:03 renoirb: Hi metasansana !
2015-04-19 18:14:59 metasansana: renoirb, WPW?
2015-04-19 18:15:09 renoirb: WebPlatform Wednesday
2015-04-19 18:16:13 metasansana: ah ok
2015-04-19 18:16:15 renoirb: We just enabled a Facebook group last week, if you want to join it metasansana, its at https://www.facebook.com/groups/WebPlatform.org
2015-04-19 18:16:26 metasansana: I joined already. :)
2015-04-19 18:17:14 metasansana: So I'm trying to understand the direction of the docs.
2015-04-19 18:17:34 metasansana: Are they meant to be guides, api docs, specs etc?
2015-04-19 18:37:59 metasansana: Ah ok, I think I get the gist from this page:
2015-04-19 18:38:00 metasansana: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/javascript
2015-04-19 18:38:59 metasansana: I was going to ask about listing tooling and transpilers associated with js
2015-04-19 19:47:14 renoirb: ok!
2015-04-19 19:47:16 renoirb: sorry metasansana
2015-04-19 19:47:27 renoirb: we had a project some months ago to work out the readiness state of the pages
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2015-04-19 19:50:11 renoirb: metasansana you can see here https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/QASprints/2014-june
2015-04-19 19:51:04 renoirb: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Readiness_Markers
2015-04-19 19:52:11 renoirb: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:State   we have only 104 Unreviewed articles left
2015-04-19 19:52:18 renoirb: At https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:State   we have only 104 Unreviewed articles left
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2015-04-19 23:17:35 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: I'm not really a huge fan of relying on DNS for service discovert
2015-04-19 23:17:41 Ryan_Lane: discovery*
2015-04-19 23:17:53 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, it *can* work with DNS to do discovery
2015-04-19 23:17:57 Ryan_Lane: I actually prefer zookeeper or etcd for service discovery
2015-04-19 23:18:04 renoirb: You can use REST too
2015-04-19 23:18:26 Ryan_Lane: and I very strongly prefer avoiding service discovery as much as possible by using standard naming conventions for resources :)
2015-04-19 23:18:52 Ryan_Lane: which I guess is also relying on DNS for service discovery, but in a more normal way
2015-04-19 23:18:53 renoirb: I thought of using Salt 2015.* http.* to update which node does what when key is added, removed, code is refreshed, etc.
2015-04-19 23:19:06 renoirb: right.
2015-04-19 23:19:24 renoirb: I also prefer to use direct IP addresses for each components instead of relying on DNS
2015-04-19 23:19:37 renoirb: so far I shimmed using a Pillar, but i’d like something more reliable.
2015-04-19 23:19:43 renoirb: Maybe a self-managed pillar though.
2015-04-19 23:19:51 Ryan_Lane: well, could do external pillar in etcd or zk
2015-04-19 23:19:55 Ryan_Lane: or consul
2015-04-19 23:20:08 Ryan_Lane: I think they're all likely as unreliable as each other :D
2015-04-19 23:21:10 Ryan_Lane: we're using etcd right now. we've used ZK previously
2015-04-19 23:21:23 Ryan_Lane: I have mixed feelings on both
2015-04-19 23:21:43 renoirb: what I like of Consul is that you can have web app config to "watch" events and update the config using handlers
2015-04-19 23:21:44 renoirb: https://consul.io/docs/agent/watches.html
2015-04-19 23:22:00 Ryan_Lane: yeah, you could do the same with salt and beacons
2015-04-19 23:22:06 renoirb: oh?
2015-04-19 23:22:10 Ryan_Lane: with etcd/zk
2015-04-19 23:22:13 renoirb: Beacons, i’ll read about that
2015-04-19 23:22:21 Ryan_Lane: beacons is a new feature of 2015.2
2015-04-19 23:22:24 renoirb: Which OS do you run in production?
2015-04-19 23:22:31 renoirb: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
2015-04-19 23:22:44 Ryan_Lane: so is something called "engines". I don't really understand the difference very well
2015-04-19 23:22:53 Ryan_Lane: yep 14.04
2015-04-19 23:26:09 Ryan_Lane: anyway. I'm sure consul is fine. hashicorp products always seem a bit off to me.
2015-04-19 23:26:44 Ryan_Lane: they usually include some weird puppet or ruby-like DSL
2015-04-19 23:29:31 Ryan_Lane: what are you looking to do with service discovery?
2015-04-19 23:31:37 renoirb: ok, so is it the same as reactor then?
2015-04-19 23:32:30 renoirb: I want a mechanism to store current live IPs + port of services
2015-04-19 23:33:10 renoirb: e.g. list of MediaWiki nodes {port: 8080, nodes:[ '10.10.0.111',  '10.10.0.113', '10.10.0.116', '10.10.0.117']}
2015-04-19 23:33:48 renoirb: I thought that a Reactor could add or remove entry depending of the name of the node
2015-04-19 23:34:28 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, a refactor i’m making goes like this.
2015-04-19 23:35:30 renoirb: Each backend is exposed to the internal network with an assigned port number. What’s exposed is a valid HTTP vhost that’ll be used as an NGINX upstream from a frontend node.
2015-04-19 23:35:56 renoirb: Of course i’ll eventually have only internal upstream through TLS
2015-04-19 23:36:29 renoirb: So if one day I decide to Docker-ify MediaWiki, I could add an IP port
2015-04-19 23:37:18 renoirb: ... this way I can support upcoming sprints as it would have a common requirement: expose a HTTP service.
2015-04-19 23:39:52 renoirb: In such config management, i’d have ElaticSearch clusters (i.e. support more than one cluster depending of the config differences, etc.), MW HTTP servers, WordPress, etc.
2015-04-19 23:39:57 renoirb: Not limited to web apps I mean.
2015-04-19 23:40:40 renoirb: Ryan_Lane, last time I tried, I couldn’t compile   etcd Python binding on Ubuntu 14.04   you have notes about that?
2015-04-19 23:41:30 renoirb: Here is how I thought i’d deploy Docker containers https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/webspecs/publican/
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2015-04-20 00:55:33 renoirb: AAA_awright, can you look at your hosts file if you have '208.113.157.138' in it? Fastly told me its a DreamHost IP address, and nothing in our zone file points to it, but yet you do.  This is the only reason I see
2015-04-20 01:00:08 AAA_awright: renoirb: Hmm, this computer does (from earlier testing) but I recall the problem happening on my Mac, which doesn't
2015-04-20 01:00:18 AAA_awright: Maybe I'm getting mixed up
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2015-04-20 02:27:11 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: beacons fire events, which are reacted to by reactors
2015-04-20 02:28:02 Ryan_Lane: renoirb: have you looked at kubernetes?
2015-04-20 02:28:25 renoirb: no Ryan_Lane I haven’t looked at Kubernetes
2015-04-20 02:29:22 renoirb: Is kubernetes close to what Docker Swarm is?
2015-04-20 02:29:47 Ryan_Lane: with beacons you could watch an etcd/zk key and run something on all nodes
2015-04-20 02:31:09 renoirb: I couldn’t run etcd with Salt Stack last time I tried. I’m with Ubuntu 14.04 too, but couldn’t get the right Python+etcd binding Ryan_Lane
2015-04-20 02:31:28 Ryan_Lane: we're using it pretty extensively
2015-04-20 02:31:40 Ryan_Lane: we're just installing it with pip
2015-04-20 02:32:14 Ryan_Lane: it just uses requests. etcd is http
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2015-04-20 02:52:15 renoirb: which one Ryan_Lane py-etcd or etcd or materialize?
2015-04-20 02:52:28 renoirb: or etcpy
2015-04-20 02:52:37 renoirb ... is confused
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2015-04-20 17:11:31 renoirb: thanks Ryan_Lane !!!
2015-04-20 17:11:32 Ryan_Lane: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-etcd
2015-04-20 17:11:45 Ryan_Lane: https://github.com/jplana/python-etcd
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2015-04-20 20:10:17 renoirb: Do you run with Salt 2015.2? I’ve just seen sdb, that looks like what I want.
2015-04-20 20:10:20 renoirb: Ryan_Lane ^
2015-04-20 20:13:09 Ryan_Lane: not yet. we'll be upgrading when it's released as stable
2015-04-20 20:13:20 Ryan_Lane: I haven't tried sdb yet. I'm not totally sure what it is :)
2015-04-20 20:27:17 renoirb: Which salt component are you using ETCD with then Ryan_Lane ?
2015-04-20 20:27:58 renoirb: Also, I’m trying to configure Swift within salt, it talks about keystone credentials but DreamObjects doesn’t give me any keystone credentials. I only have an S3 key.
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2015-04-20 21:50:21 Ryan_Lane: dreamobjects is not swift
2015-04-20 21:50:30 Ryan_Lane: it's ceph with the rados gateway
2015-04-20 21:50:41 Ryan_Lane: it may not do auth the same way
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2015-04-21 16:36:15 renoirb: I’m making a maintenance see http://status.webplatform.org/post/117006188440/
2015-04-21 17:17:53 renoirb: ... yeah, package upgrade restarts services :(
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2015-04-29 01:22:22 Garbee: renoirb: There is an email thread in the list about someone wanting to create pages. Can you give them perms to do that?
2015-04-29 01:22:40 Garbee: Seems I don't have the access anymore to modify user privs to add CreatePages (or whatever it is) to them.
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2015-04-29 13:43:20 renoirb: Garbee, I didn’t change your privs.
2015-04-29 13:43:48 Garbee: Looks like something may have changed. I recall having the ability to edit user perms in the past.
2015-04-29 13:43:50 renoirb: Let me see the user detail, I dont recall seeing that mail. Maybe I forgot about it
2015-04-29 13:44:19 Garbee: Here is the subject: [Q] There is no authority to make a new page
2015-04-29 13:44:31 renoirb: Code got updated three times since I work here, but I dont recall lowering anybody’s privileges
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2015-04-29 13:45:03 Garbee: meh, I don't really care tbh. As long as I can still create pages when I need to (which I have the edit amount to do that anyways.)
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2015-04-29 13:45:23 renoirb: oh, the email happened yesterday night EST, I didn’t read the lists since then.
2015-04-29 13:45:27 Garbee: well, create/move pages.
2015-04-29 13:45:31 Garbee: Yea, I caught it pretty quick.
2015-04-29 13:45:48 Garbee: Just checking mail before going to bed and it caught my eye.
2015-04-29 13:46:02 renoirb: great, you asked him to tell us his username and I see it.
2015-04-29 13:47:45 Garbee: oh, I remember now. I had/have permission to edit other peoples profiles if needed. But I never had permission to actually grant or remove privileges to other users.
2015-04-29 13:48:01 renoirb: Registration date: 13:17, 2015 April 11, Email authentication: authenticated on 13:18, 2015 April 11
2015-04-29 13:48:11 Garbee: I think admins don't get that. Only bureaucrats.
2015-04-29 13:48:50 renoirb: His account is "old enough" for creating pages.
2015-04-29 13:48:58 renoirb: Maybe its because he has less than 10 edits.
2015-04-29 13:49:04 renoirb: he only has three
2015-04-29 13:49:05 Garbee: Yea, edit cap.
2015-04-29 13:49:14 Garbee: That was my initial thought for why he is blocked.
2015-04-29 13:49:24 renoirb: why people always want to create pages instead of reviewing what’s there.
2015-04-29 13:49:53 Garbee: Same reason everyone wants to rewrite stuff from scratch vs refactoring existing stuff.
2015-04-29 13:50:01 Garbee: More excitement.
2015-04-29 13:50:05 Garbee: And "faster".
2015-04-29 13:50:08 Garbee: ;)
2015-04-29 13:52:33 renoirb: I got it, just that we set that rule to prevent adding spam and legitimate users seems to always want us to make their case special. When in the end, they also need to get aquainted with it anyway.
2015-04-29 13:52:42 renoirb: ill reply
2015-04-29 13:53:21 metasansana: Hello all
2015-04-29 13:55:40 Garbee: ah.
2015-04-29 13:56:06 renoirb: Hi metasansana !
2015-04-29 13:56:06 Garbee: Yea, I kinda feel people should edit more before creating just to show they understand the writing process and how to identify quality content.
2015-04-29 13:56:34 renoirb: Translation is great too, but if they translate something not ready at all, its waste.
2015-04-29 13:56:35 Garbee: Like how Chromium requires at least 20-30 issue triages that a current contributor can vouch for before giving you permission to edit issues.
2015-04-29 13:57:57 Garbee: But, one thing we should have as well is a descriptive error message when you can't create a page.
2015-04-29 13:58:23 Garbee: Like, "You can't create a page since you need at least 10 edits to existing content." if you account is old enough.
2015-04-29 13:58:34 metasansana: hello renoirb
2015-04-29 13:58:41 Garbee: Then, if age is a factor also state that.
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2015-05-11 08:07:52 the_tricky: hoper there is someone here
2015-05-11 08:08:47 the_tricky: is there any book telling about web application architecture?
2015-05-11 08:09:12 the_tricky: how are apps generally developed?
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2015-05-11 14:16:14 renoirb: AAA_awright, look at the search in the /test/ wiki, i’ve changed the search backend
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2015-05-27 03:49:42 AAA_awright: This page https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript/Array/reduce should be titled "Array#reduce" not just "reduce"
2015-05-27 03:49:46 AAA_awright: Is there some way to do that?
2015-05-27 03:49:52 AAA_awright: And most of the pages like that
2015-05-27 03:50:20 AAA_awright: for "reduce" being some function on the prototype of some constructor "Array"
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